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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukeleman.

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Speaker 2: This is a production of the Bear Grease podcast called

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Speaker 2: The Bear Grease Render, where we render down, dive deeper,

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Speaker 2: and look behind the scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast,

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Speaker 2: and fishing gear that's designed to be as rugged as

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Speaker 2: the place as we explore.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if y'all are aware of this, but

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Speaker 3: I am nursing pretty severe injury.

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Speaker 4: Oh what physical emotional.

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Speaker 3: Very a physical injury. I have been alternating ice and

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Speaker 3: heat using a tens unit late. It's been kind of serious.

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Speaker 1: Because he's going to be on prayer chains all across

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Speaker 1: the country. Tell us what happens.

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Speaker 3: It's a lot better today. But I couldn't like turn

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Speaker 3: to the ride at all yesterday because I thought about sneezing.

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Speaker 3: I didn't sneeze, I just thought about it. I geared

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Speaker 3: up for it.

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Speaker 2: You injured yourself, thinking, tell the tell the story about

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Speaker 2: it happened.

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Speaker 3: Well, okay, so here's what really happened. I think what

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Speaker 3: happened is that I was actually I made a quilt

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Speaker 3: this weekend for my first ever grand niece, one of

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Speaker 3: the next generation of my nephew a child, and it's

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Speaker 3: the first one of that generation to have a child.

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Speaker 3: So I made a quilt. My mom came over and

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Speaker 3: helped me with it. Totally bit off, more than we

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Speaker 3: could chew in the time allotted for this project. And

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Speaker 3: so I just like sat over a sewing mission or

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Speaker 3: you know, uh, I was like all day lost.

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Speaker 2: I know, well, no, I mean, she's there's always deadline.

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Speaker 2: There's always dead like this. It's always there's a baby shower. Right,

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Speaker 2: there's a baby shower that has a date, and then

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Speaker 2: like three days before it's like, let's make this child

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Speaker 2: something that will last their life.

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Speaker 3: Well, to be honest, I bought the.

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Speaker 1: Would well, no, you can't buy something that will.

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Speaker 3: Tb that's right. Good. I actually purchased the materials for

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Speaker 3: this in January. It's been a busy year, you know,

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Speaker 3: and so so we and we have you're hunched over,

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Speaker 3: so munched over. So I think that probably my back

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Speaker 3: was like I'd rather you not be like this. You know,

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Speaker 3: this is too much for.

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Speaker 5: Birthdays.

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Speaker 3: Birthday I've never never felt like I've had accumulation of

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Speaker 3: birthdays quite like I did this second. So I get

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Speaker 3: to the end of it, I'm getting. I'm super happy.

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Speaker 3: We finish it like midnight, one in the morning, and

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Speaker 3: a sneeze comes on me, and I get ready to

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Speaker 3: go for it, right, I I get I have powerful sneezes.

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Speaker 3: I'm not. I'm not a meek and mild sneezer at all.

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Speaker 3: I wish I was. It's humiliating to me when I

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Speaker 3: sneeze awful. But one came on. I was alone, everybody

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Speaker 3: else had gone to bed and I and I didn't sneeze.

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Speaker 3: Nothing came out, but a muscle in my back seized up.

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Speaker 5: Sneezer.

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Speaker 3: It's horrible. I mean, just just like. And so Clay

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Speaker 3: wakes up in the morning and I said, hey, I

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Speaker 3: really hurt my back, I said, He said why, I said, Well,

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Speaker 3: to be honest, I thought about.

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Speaker 6: Sneezing anticipatory sneeze injury.

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Speaker 1: Incapacitated a walk, but.

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Speaker 5: Just just I thought about football.

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Speaker 3: So Clay said that either, like, the best case scenario

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Speaker 3: is that I got a quilting and the worst scenario

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Speaker 3: is that I got an injury from thinking about.

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Speaker 2: We're so glad you could join us today, because you know,

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Speaker 2: I heard and I like this.

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Speaker 1: I like the thought of this. I like to think

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Speaker 1: about it like this. Aging.

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Speaker 2: Aging is actually the accumulation of error in your body

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Speaker 2: d N a replication. I feel like, okay, okay, maybe

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Speaker 2: I said it already, but when you think about aging,

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Speaker 2: it's actually, you know, your DNA replicates, and it's it's

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Speaker 2: an accumulation of error that makes you old and eventually

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Speaker 2: makes you die, and it has very things that happened.

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Speaker 4: There has to be a tipping point of that, right well,

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Speaker 4: I think quilting injuries. There's got to be an inflection point.

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Speaker 2: It's so great to have you all here. To my right,

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Speaker 2: I have my dear friend Josh Landbridge Spillmaker.

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Speaker 5: Great glad to be.

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Speaker 1: Here, Josh, you have brought your lovely wife, who's also.

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Speaker 6: Yes, Hello, hello.

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Speaker 4: Render second time, I think, maybe even more.

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Speaker 2: To Christie's left is mister Newcomb. Great to have you, Misske,

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Speaker 2: doctor Newcomb. To Missy's I fancy scholar.

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Speaker 1: Misters right is doctor Britt Reeves.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, great squire.

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Speaker 1: How's this country life going, man?

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Speaker 5: It's it's more fun than than a bunsh of of puppies.

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Speaker 5: It's just I've getting lots of good feedback talking to people.

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Speaker 6: This is the feedback coming from kind of like a

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Speaker 6: like a like a wife and your daughter, like an

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Speaker 6: algal algorithmic circle of people that just bolster your confidence NonStop.

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Speaker 5: And it's my mom and my wife. Yep, that's who

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Speaker 5: it is. But this, man, it's going really good.

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Speaker 1: This last week. You talked about brim fishing.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I haven't listened to that one yet. I'm really looking

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Speaker 6: forward to.

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Speaker 5: I haven't gotten I don't know how many pictures of

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Speaker 5: folks sending me and said, man, you inspired me get

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Speaker 5: out and go catch fish. And I'm like, man, this

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Speaker 5: is great. I hope they ain't going to where I

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Speaker 5: like to go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's some mashing them. Man, they're catching fish and

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Speaker 5: lots of pictures of folks taking kids out fishing.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's great.

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Speaker 5: Oh, it's wonderful.

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Speaker 2: You know what's going to happen to you is what

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Speaker 2: happened to me and Daniel Boone.

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Speaker 5: What's that?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Daniel Boone went into Kentucky in the late seventeen sixties. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and found to him what was a paradise. It was

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Speaker 2: also the land and inhabited by you know, the Shawnees

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Speaker 2: and others. He hunted for two years and then within

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Speaker 2: thirty years of him going in there and being one

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Speaker 2: of the first white Europeans to cross the Cumberland Gap

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Speaker 2: and to go into Kentucky, within thirty years, Kentucky.

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Speaker 1: Was a state.

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Speaker 6: Oh what does this have to do with you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one day you're gonna go to your brim fishing

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Speaker 2: hole and it's gonna be covered with people.

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Speaker 4: It's gonna be a mall, it's going to be a

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Speaker 6: It's gonna be a star bus.

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Speaker 2: I've heard that's every time you'll tell the story. I

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Speaker 2: just keep bringing it down. I'm so sorry for that.

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Speaker 3: We got our friend.

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Speaker 2: No, No, that's but that's a That's a good thing

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Speaker 2: is when people do what you're inspiring them to do.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, fish.

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Speaker 2: And so today I've seen a few things around you

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Speaker 2: saying that brim is your favorite fish to eat, more than.

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Speaker 5: Crappy, more than anything.

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Speaker 2: Is it because of the taste or is it because

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Speaker 2: of the accessibility of crappy? Because sometimes I like something

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, I like this better than that, And

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Speaker 2: it doesn't have to do with the thing. It more

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Speaker 2: has to do with things around the thing, Like this

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Speaker 2: thing is accessible to me, So I love it. And

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Speaker 2: I did it with my dad, and I can do it.

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Speaker 5: There's obviously a lot of nostalgia with it because it

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Speaker 5: was our favorite pastime. And usually anytime I catch a

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Speaker 5: crappie it's an accident. I'm not a very good crappy fisherman. So,

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Speaker 5: but you have a plate them side beside, you know,

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna I just prefer brim. I just love them.

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Speaker 2: Can you tell me that the describe to me the

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Speaker 2: difference between a brim and a crappie and taste.

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Speaker 5: Can you one's good, one's better? Okay, I mean I can't.

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Speaker 5: I can't give you that. I can't give you that. Now.

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Speaker 2: You know how if we had a guess here, I

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Speaker 2: here's a plate of brim, a plate of crappy. Talk

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Speaker 2: to me about why one tastes different than the other.

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Speaker 5: Well, I like brim out of the river more than

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Speaker 5: I do out of a steel water out of a lake. Okay,

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Speaker 5: they taste better to me. It's a fresher taste. And

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Speaker 5: people say, you know this tastes fishy, Well, it's fish.

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Speaker 5: That's what fish should taste.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, nobody says this hamburgers too, hamburgers. It tastes cowie, cowie.

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Speaker 5: It's whatever you like to eat. It's like gamy. You

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Speaker 5: know whatever that's game doesn't taste gamy. It tastes like

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Speaker 5: what it is. Bears tastes like bear. Deer tastes like deer,

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Speaker 5: crappie have. The meat is a little whiter, probably it's

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Speaker 5: a little whiter than what what brim are. But they're

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Speaker 5: they know they're different fish. So I just my palate

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Speaker 5: I grew up. If you put numbers on the on

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Speaker 5: fish that I ate growing up, it would be brim

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Speaker 5: by far the most, and then catfish and then everything else.

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Speaker 1: How many actual brim do you think you've eaten?

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Speaker 5: I would.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna meet somebody, and when I do, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: give them a hug and like and bottom would be

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Speaker 2: my friend for the rest of their life if they

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Speaker 2: can tell me how many brim they've eaten in their life.

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Speaker 5: I quit counting Whalen's coonsye tree, last year, sometime after

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Speaker 2: Now I was I was pretty impressed that you were

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Speaker 5: But I couldn't tell you. I couldn't even.

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Speaker 2: So, Missy and I ate some fish this week. Miss

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Speaker 2: He's not a big fish person. I'm not when I when.

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Speaker 3: I'm disciplining myself because I want those omagas.

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Speaker 2: When me and Miss nukembe crossed paths and our lives

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Speaker 2: became one. She didn't like fish, so it kind of

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Speaker 3: Yeah. You know when people say it tastes fishy, I'm like,

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Speaker 3: and that's not good. And that's what this entire species

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Speaker 3: tastes like more or less. Yeah, and you know, I

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Speaker 3: was probably not raised on fine fish.

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Speaker 5: Catfish.

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Speaker 4: You don't like that either.

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Speaker 3: When we would go to restaurants and they would fry

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Speaker 3: their French fries in the same oil that they would

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Speaker 3: French fries, gotcha?

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Speaker 1: I mean that was so this week.

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Speaker 2: I was in Alaska back in May and we caught

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Speaker 2: a halibit, about a eighty pound halibit, which was a

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Speaker 2: pretty fun thing to watch. I was in the boat.

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Speaker 2: I didn't catch it, but Christy, do you know what

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Speaker 2: halib it is? It's a big.

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Speaker 6: Flat Yes, it looks like a big flounder.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 1: So a halibut.

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Speaker 2: If I was explaining this to Brint the other day, standard,

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Speaker 2: a standard brim would be upright in the water. He

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Speaker 2: would be thin and tall, and his fins would be oriented.

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Speaker 2: You know, his dorsal fin would be pointing towards the sun.

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Speaker 2: His mouth would be exactly like that, except turned flat

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Speaker 2: so that his dorsal fin would be pointing like on

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Speaker 2: the ground. But both his eyes are on the top side,

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Speaker 2: This is a brim. This is a brim swimming through

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Speaker 1: Yes, So this week we.

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Speaker 2: I went, I wanted to fry halibu, and I went

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Speaker 2: And then once the oil got hot, it completely clarified

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Speaker 3: But I ate the halibt because and I've eaten trout

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Speaker 1: I'm not on Interest, but I don't think that it

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Speaker 2: It's a batter that used uh flour and bread crumbs.

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Speaker 2: It was commination, so it wasn't a cornmeal batter for

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Speaker 1: It was very good.

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Speaker 2: But the the halib, it it's it's almost like a

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Speaker 1: You can break it and very Have you had it, Christy?

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Speaker 4: Yes, I love it. Where have you had hal I've

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Speaker 4: had it in Seattle really good, steamed, steamed. I've had

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Speaker 4: it steamed, broiled, never fried.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So when do you want us to come over?

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Speaker 3: I would love to have you should come over, they supplied.

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Speaker 3: Christy feeds me all the time. Click. Something big has

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Speaker 3: Banjo has been back from boot camp for a couple

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Speaker 2: So if you recall, for those of you listeners to

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Speaker 2: I used him to pack in bear bait in a

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Speaker 2: a lot of exposure to just planet Earth by doing that.

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Speaker 2: But last year he two different times.

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Speaker 1: Bucked me off.

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Speaker 2: He went wayward, he did, and it was my fault though,

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Speaker 2: it's because it's it's it's relevant, Josh. It's relevant because.

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Speaker 1: I just too quickly. I didn't do enough groundwork.

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Speaker 2: I didn't I long trained him too, which means when

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Speaker 2: every day for sixty days, right, and went from almost

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Speaker 4: Was it is he the one you did the video

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Speaker 1: Okay and I still have her Okay Banjo. It was

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Speaker 2: I did what I did in sixty days with Izzy,

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Speaker 3: Stick as well, and it's not as consistent.

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Speaker 1: Now as consistent, and he bucked me off twice.

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Speaker 2: Well, I felt like that it was my fault that

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Speaker 2: I that I rushed him, and so I asked Dad

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Speaker 1: I had a really good mule man in Prai Grove

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Speaker 2: I told him about Banjo and he he wanted me

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Speaker 2: when I said the mule bucked me off, what should I?

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Speaker 1: And he was like, get rid of it?

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Speaker 2: In his mind, it's like, why would you mess with

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Speaker 1: Because a mule bucking you off is.

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Speaker 2: Kind of in a way like a biting dog, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's it's it's like, well maybe not but everybody, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: oh he's nice.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, just so.

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Speaker 2: But I really felt like that it was my fault

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Speaker 2: And so I remember my dad on this very show

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Speaker 2: said get rid of it.

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Speaker 1: It's not worth it, get rid of it, and I.

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Speaker 2: About one of our kids, and I thought he was right,

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Speaker 1: It could have gone either way.

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Speaker 2: But I went ahead and invested in Banjo and sent

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Speaker 3: Something we should probably consider doing with some of our kids.

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Speaker 1: I would.

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Speaker 2: I would my kid there, I would.

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Speaker 3: And he came back with a nice haircut. I mean,

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Speaker 5: For everybody gets a buzz cut when you get the

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Speaker 2: He got four shoes, and he came home a lot

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Speaker 2: more humble. And I've ridden him every day that I've

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Speaker 2: Him ten times, sometimes as much as two hours, sometimes

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Speaker 1: And he's doing very.

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Speaker 5: On a scale, well, on a scale of one to ten.

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Speaker 5: What was he when you took him over there? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Three?

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Speaker 5: What is he now?

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Speaker 2: For the stage that he's at, he's probably an eight.

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Speaker 2: But in the big mules, in the in the in

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Speaker 2: the green broke mule category, he's an eight or nine.

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Speaker 2: In the finished mule category, he's probably a five.

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Speaker 1: Oh there's a different category.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm just saying it's compared to what he was

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Speaker 6: And he's how old?

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Speaker 1: He's five years old?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so I've had him since he was weaned.

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Speaker 5: You can't teach an old mule and new trick.

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Speaker 4: Well, is the life span of a mule?

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Speaker 2: Lifespan of the mule is going to be thirty plus

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Speaker 2: remember one time I went coon hunting with an old

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no no. I asked him how long he'd

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Speaker 2: The mule died when it was fifty three years old,

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Speaker 2: and I was married two years before I got the mule.

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Speaker 2: I've been married fifty four years and he had a

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think that's the point of that story.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, is this last name Reeve?

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Speaker 2: When people ask me how long I've been married to Missy,

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Speaker 5: Hey, you could do it.

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Speaker 3: How long you've been married?

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Speaker 2: Three?

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Speaker 1: Twenty three?

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Speaker 6: Math?

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Speaker 5: Math?

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Speaker 1: Math is tough.

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Speaker 3: Nice. Let me say, I think that Banjo gets extra points.

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Speaker 3: So because he's pleasant? Is he is mean? She is?

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Speaker 3: She is?

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Speaker 6: She means to certain people, I mean everybody.

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Speaker 3: It's a salty old girl. I mean, she really is

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Speaker 6: Before we started talking about Banjo, we talked about how

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Speaker 3: Lousy Clay loves Izzy but is he is really unpleasant

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Speaker 3: every morning she wakes up, Like when she's here, every

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Speaker 3: pile when they do anything. I mean, she's constantly harassing everyone.

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Speaker 2: Well, see this is a classic, a classic example, and

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Speaker 2: that's not a negative thing.

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Speaker 3: I think Banjo's doing well in part because is he's

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Speaker 2: Of like it's a classic scenario where there's massively different

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00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 2: systems for rating the usefulness of stuff based upon your

443
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 2: worldview and what you do with the animal. Misty walks

444
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 2: outside and feeds them most mornings. Yeah, and just watches

445
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,199
Speaker 2: them in the pasture. So when she sees Izzy, she

446
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:48,120
Speaker 2: sees a mean, sassy, bucky mule that's pushing and biting

447
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 2: the other mules, which.

448
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 1: Is very true. Is he's dominant.

449
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 3: When I work in the Banjo actually comes up and

450
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 3: eats the weeds beside the fit, so that he so

451
00:23:55,920 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 3: that we're working side by. Actually he is a very

452
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,360
Speaker 3: he'll come up to you when you walk by him.

453
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 2: He is, he's and he's probably never the dominant animal

454
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 2: sounds in a pen, which can be a good thing.

455
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 2: Is he though I'll tell you why I love Izzy

456
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 2: is he's now going on eight years old. I've had

457
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 2: her since she was eighteen months old, and I've had

458
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 2: Izzy and uncountable sticky situations all over the place in

459
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 2: different parts of the country. And she has never done

460
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 2: anything crazy. And now, when you're evaluating people and friends,

461
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 2: that's not a bad way to evaluate them.

462
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 1: Part of the reason I love.

463
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 2: Josh Spillmakers so much is he's never done anything really crazy.

464
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 2: Brent has done like two crazy things, but I'm still

465
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 2: giving him a chance.

466
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Speaker 6: To strikes.

467
00:24:54,800 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 2: You and Christie are perfect, but no, I'm serious. Usually

468
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 2: you put three thousand miles on an animal that one time,

469
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 2: you know, she when she crossed the river, yeah, freaked

470
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 2: out and killed you, or or the one time that happened,

471
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 2: or the one time, And so when you get an

472
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 2: animal that just consistently doesn't doesn't do anything really stupid.

473
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 2: Is he's never kicked me. Is he's never buked me off?

474
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 2: Is he never run off of run me off.

475
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 3: Bucked off river?

476
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 6: Well, that was river's fault.

477
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: That was river's fault. That was isy. Is he didn't

478
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: Is he didn't? For sure?

479
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 2: The mule ran ran with her and she lost control.

480
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 2: So and that was when Izz he was young, and

481
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 2: uh that was a major dead air. So is he's

482
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 2: a great mule, she's she's she's high powered and she

483
00:25:58,280 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 2: will she's a better.

484
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 1: Oh, I've got her over at the Buddy's pasture on okay.

485
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 6: So what would happen to Izzy if you took her

486
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 6: to the Almish trainer? Him? That's right, Christy, No they

487
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 6: I mean, would they do anything to her?

488
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 5: Like?

489
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 6: Oh, yeah, I could take can you take a mule

490
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 6: that's trained to a trainer and they can make her

491
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 6: better hundred percent?

492
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 2: When I went to pick up Banjo and me and

493
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 2: the trainer went for a ride, like he was like, hey,

494
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 2: when you come, we're going to go for a ride.

495
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 2: I want you to ride Banjo, and I want to

496
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 2: talk to you while you're riding and tell you what

497
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 2: we've been doing. He rode a mule that came from

498
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 2: Iowa that was supposedly a really high dollar, nice mule

499
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 2: that the owner wanted to just get dialed in, real

500
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 2: tight and get him neck rain and real good. Sometimes

501
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 2: these mules are they plow rain train them, which means

502
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 2: they if you want to go right, you just try

503
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 2: to grab the right rain and just pull their head.

504
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 2: Neck is when the two rains are coming up on

505
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 2: either side of the neck and you just move your

506
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 2: hand the direction you want to go, and actually the

507
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 2: rain lays across the opposite side of their neck and

508
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 2: they it's like power steering.

509
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 1: You just kind of move.

510
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 2: So, yeah, he could teach He could teach easy something

511
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 2: for sure. Okay, yeah, yeah, So Banjo's great. I said

512
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 2: all that to say Banjo may be for sale next April.

513
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 4: Oh why next April?

514
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 2: That's when that's when I will be confident and I

515
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 2: want to ride him basically.

516
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 1: For a year.

517
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 6: Why would you get rid of him?

518
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: Because he's gonna be worth.

519
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 3: A lot of money, but money down right now on

520
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 3: whether Banjo will be here next year.

521
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 2: Listen, Okay, you want to really know, I mean, you

522
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 2: get this great mule, Why would you get rid of it? Okay,

523
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 2: josh I just when I when I got easy up

524
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 2: to speed and where getting on her was no longer

525
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 2: a question of what was going to happen, just knowing

526
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 2: what was going to happen. Hm, if Banjo and Izzy

527
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 2: are out there right now, I'm riding Banjo because I'm

528
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 2: a trainer.

529
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: I want to train him. I like passing with him.

530
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 2: So is he's finished Banjo at some point will kind

531
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 2: of be finished within the next year. And he is

532
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 2: a he is a prime mule to be sold because

533
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 2: of his looks, because of his.

534
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 1: Age, and he'll be worth a lot of money.

535
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 2: And I want to get another one. And I've actually

536
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 2: already got another one in my sights. I want to

537
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 2: trash the one flashy as they make.

538
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: Brother, I don't. I don't.

539
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 6: So if you get another meal, are you going to

540
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 6: train it or are you gonna or those amish gonna try?

541
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 2: I am okay with what happened with Banjo. I recognize

542
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 2: the limitations on my travel schedule. In my life, I

543
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 2: will get the animals started and end. But I may

544
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 2: take it to my to my to my bro.

545
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 4: I think you have to quantify the value added to

546
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 4: Banjo by the celebrity he has gotten from being on

547
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 4: this podcast.

548
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: Well, he's don't hate the player, hate the game.

549
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 2: Perhaps this whole thing has just been a ploy for

550
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 2: me to become a high dollar sales trader.

551
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 4: I think you should be a mule trader.

552
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, lifelong dream.

553
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 7: Right like people do watch it, they trade if you

554
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 7: if you say you get a year out and someone's like,

555
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 7: I don't want to buy this meal, but I will

556
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 7: trade you X for it.

557
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 6: What would be the thing?

558
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: Trade nothing but green bags? Why do you know why?

559
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 2: Because I want to build a north wing off the

560
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 2: off south headquarters and we're going to call it the

561
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 2: Banjo Wing.

562
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 6: All the wing literally is it going to be full

563
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 6: of Banjo's misty.

564
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 3: No, clay, clay is a number of different things that

565
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 3: he will be using the proceeds of.

566
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: This, or I may take this to Alaska.

567
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 3: Whenever. Whenever I get upset about him potentially sailing Banjo,

568
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 3: he's like, well, you just you don't know, but essentially

569
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 3: that I'm going to use that money for X. And

570
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 3: it's almost never the north wing. It has been once,

571
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 3: but there's a there's a lot of other things that

572
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 3: he told me. And I actually really like Banjo, you

573
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 3: know when you take care of the animals, and I

574
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 3: don't take care of them like ride them, you know,

575
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 3: but just every morning I'm out there with them. And

576
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 3: and this week someone left the gate open. Why And

577
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 3: when I walked out there, Banjo was standing by the

578
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 3: gate looking at it like he was scared of it.

579
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 3: But inside the gate. He stayed in the fil and

580
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 3: that kind of endeared me to Banjo. I'll fight to

581
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 3: keep that mule.

582
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 6: Person who left the gate open, a repeat offender.

583
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 3: It was an older offender.

584
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 2: It was it was a small gate. Yeah, it was

585
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 2: a big time air, big time air. It was a

586
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 2: small gate like a like a pedestrian. It wasn't a

587
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 2: big gate, and so it appeared like it was shut,

588
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: but it actually wasn't. It was only open about six

589
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 2: or eight inches, and so I think he just didn't

590
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 2: push up against it, pushed against it.

591
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: Is he would have.

592
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 3: When Clay leaves, either myself or the children are in

593
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 3: charge of those meals, right, and most of the time

594
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 3: it's me, but he tries to give the boys or

595
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 3: different people responsibility for them. And we have four kids,

596
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 3: which means in one year, those mules got out four

597
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 3: times because each one forgot to close the gate at

598
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 3: one point. Right, And if he's not here, we're going

599
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 3: to get those meals alone and they'll they like drapes

600
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 3: around town. And the problem is is that they've gained

601
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 3: kind of a reputation during that particularly COVID, and we

602
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 3: had all the kids here because that meant really each

603
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 3: one of them got to make one mistake, because once

604
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 3: you make that mistake, you don't make it again for

605
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 3: a while, right, And each one of them did it

606
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 3: four times, and so people were like, hey, that pretty

607
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 3: mules out again, pretty meal, and people people started talking

608
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 3: about these mules. People kind of developed friendships with the mules.

609
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 3: The mules would come to houses and kind of see

610
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 3: what they got going on in their line, and so

611
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 3: people started. We have like a Facebook group, you know,

612
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 3: for the whole city. People start commenting on the on

613
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 3: the mules and then they like go down the railroad

614
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 3: tracks together, and three of them had gotten out this

615
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 3: last time, and I mean the city had a riot

616
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 3: with it. They they looked like a band walking down

617
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 3: this round.

618
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: Were really proud. People of the town were proud that

619
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: this was happening.

620
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 3: So proud that they took a picture of the mules

621
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 3: and it is now on the city community page. Are

622
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 3: loose Mules Like? It is still there today? Yes, I

623
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 3: look this week and I'm like, take that picture down.

624
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 8: Get something.

625
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 3: There's this woman whose pigs get out, And I don't

626
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 3: understand why the picture of the police trying to catch

627
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 3: the pigs is not on the City Facebook.

628
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, so much more, so much more trauma.

629
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: Well, enough about mules, Enough about mules. Let us get

630
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 2: to the matter at hand.

631
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: This is this is serious.

632
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 2: This is the final Crockett episode the Alamo. This is

633
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 2: this is a big day. I've had some I've had

634
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 2: some talk about, well, is he going to make it

635
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 2: into the Bear Grease Hall of Fame. As a matter

636
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 2: of fact, some of you may have asked me earlier

637
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 2: if we were going to do that today? And I

638
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 2: explained to someone on the Instagram the other day that

639
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 2: inductions into the Bear Grease Hall of Fame are are

640
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 2: kind of like a thief in the night. You don't

641
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 2: know when they're gonna come. They just come when the

642
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 2: time is right. So just because the series has ended

643
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 2: and there's a potential candidate, just like any hall of fame,

644
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,919
Speaker 2: like the day that Michael Jordan retired, I don't think

645
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 2: they held the meeting to see if he's going to

646
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 2: be in the Hall of Fame, do you know, Christy.

647
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 4: No, I don't know that.

648
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: Okay, So I don't think.

649
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 2: I think it would be projecting our intent too much

650
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 2: to be like, oh, let's do an induction today.

651
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 5: I think Baseball you've got to be out five years

652
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 5: before you're eligible.

653
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll probably do another induction in nine No, wow,

654
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 2: when the time is right. Should his name even come

655
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 2: up in the conversation. That's not what this is about.

656
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 6: So we're not doing that today.

657
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 3: No, I thought for sure we would be.

658
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 6: I thought for sure too. You keep talking about it foreshadowing.

659
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 2: I figured, yes, I sometimes my plans are more in

660
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 2: line with geologic time than human time. All of you

661
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 2: people live in this is the era generation or induction.

662
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Speaker 5: It's like, I don't know, here's here's here's how we're

663
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 5: going to do a project. Says all right, man, you ready? Yep.

664
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 5: We're gonna leave in a month and a half from

665
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 5: the day. Got you next day? Hey man, we're gonna

666
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 5: put that off six months. Okay, that's fine. Third day,

667
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 5: can you be ready in the morning.

668
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 1: It's one, okay, okay, we'll do the induction.

669
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Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, this is like an emotional roller coas

670
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 6: this is life.

671
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 3: Lived with Clayton is like it is a constant emotional roller.

672
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 2: I've got a quiz for you, okay, in your face.

673
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 2: We're about so we're about to get into Crockett.

674
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know it's from from the podcast.

675
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 1: You have you have a question. Okay, let's have a question.

676
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 3: I have a quiz. A quiz okay, okay, this pandemic.

677
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 5: Oh thank you, Yes, well you stay with my thunder girl.

678
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 5: But why will you carefully.

679
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 3: Appeared between eighteen seventeen and eighteen twenty one.

680
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: Why don't you tell me what that pandemic was?

681
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 5: Well, don't you, fellow, Yeah, tell us.

682
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: I've been, I've been, I've been, wife died.

683
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 8: Cholera, caliria listened to I actually stopped and was like,

684
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 8: I've never heard that.

685
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 3: Like I just assumed, you.

686
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 6: Know, he said coliria.

687
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 5: Anyone and these get hooked on find it.

688
00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:00,760
Speaker 3: And I most definitely like was a girl the nineties,

689
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 3: and so I read a lot of Jane Austen, so

690
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 3: I knew about like bad things that happened in you know,

691
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 3: before we had peniciula and things like that. But but

692
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 3: I rewound it and I was like, man, I've never

693
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 3: heard of that disease before. And I kept going back

694
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 3: and it's like, surely he doesn't mean colera.

695
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 5: He does mean cora. Don't call me sure, don't.

696
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 3: Think about it. The way I figured it out is

697
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 3: that he actually is a good phonetic reader, like with

698
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:32,479
Speaker 3: all things.

699
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 6: He added, that reminds me when she was little said

700
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 6: what's what's what's cholira, what's okay?

701
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 2: So I also took a little heat for the pronunciation

702
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 2: of jim booie boe boe, so I.

703
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 1: Would say bowie knife.

704
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 3: You were getting.

705
00:37:55,920 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 2: There was another I actually test to the integrity of

706
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 2: my journalistic efforts that I'm not being influenced, but I'm

707
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 2: not just listening to someone else and then just repeating

708
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,240
Speaker 2: what they said.

709
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 3: That is a fantastic spin clean, that's like glass half

710
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 3: fo y'all.

711
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 5: The other the other one is what was the other one?

712
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,439
Speaker 6: The other one was the name of the oh yes,

713
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 6: pain that I had.

714
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 3: And the guy you were interviewing kept trying to get

715
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 3: back down, like that's a little hot.

716
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a hard time. I heard it. I

717
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: heard it.

718
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 2: I heard it today, I could do it, and the

719
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 2: heat of the moment, I hadn't heard it enough.

720
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 1: So it's day la pina pinya see.

721
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 2: And I was like, daila pena was it?

722
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: I was like, I struggled.

723
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 5: I struggled, I struggle read.

724
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 3: You know, listen my mom us reading and having books,

725
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 3: access to books that was super important to her. We

726
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 3: did not have a lot of discretionary spending in our home,

727
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 3: and she but she would sign up for books when

728
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 3: we you know, if we bring those glastic things home,

729
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 3: she would buy the books she really really valued. Like

730
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 3: we did not. We were not a big toy family.

731
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 3: We were not a gadget family. But d D would

732
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 3: get you books and and we had a stocked library,

733
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 3: so we read all the time. I didn't hear all

734
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 3: the words that I saw very yeah, yeah, And so

735
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 3: it wasn't like I was around a lot of other

736
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 3: people who and I have story after story about when

737
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 3: I went to.

738
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Speaker 4: College, you would say, thinking about some of them right now, epitome.

739
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 6: Let me see.

740
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 3: I remember I thought I was clever because I added

741
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 3: the word pseudo in front of something like I made

742
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 3: up a word. Yeah, And I can't remember what the

743
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 3: word was, but I remember it was not actually pronounced suedo.

744
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 5: My kids if they wanted to go to that Chipotle restaurant,

745
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 5: that's not what it is.

746
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 3: So I I sympathized with yeah, I do too.

747
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 5: Well.

748
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 2: So the Crockett series was and if you're new to

749
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: the Bear Grease Render podcast what we do on the

750
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 2: bear Gase Renders.

751
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: We talked for about thirty to forty minutes about.

752
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 6: Absolutely not random.

753
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: Thanks for the Last Afternoon podcast.

754
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 2: We discuss the very serious bear Grease podcast from the

755
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 2: week before. This was our first four part series, Christie. Yes,

756
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 2: I've never done a four parts, just three.

757
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 3: And it felt like the Alimo could have stood on

758
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 3: its own. Oh you know, it was like, you've got

759
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 3: the three part series plus the animal exactly and you

760
00:40:58,560 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 3: have this an actor that's in bow.

761
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 2: And so this whole time, I've been trying to understand

762
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 2: in my mind, get an answer for who was Crockett

763
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 2: as a person.

764
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: Who was Crockett? And was he a good guy?

765
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 2: Was he a bad guy? Was he a funny guy?

766
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 2: Was he not funny guy? Was he did he have

767
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 2: good intentions? Did he have bad intentions? And clearly you

768
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 2: can't really know all those things, but you can gather data,

769
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: and there was so much information on Crockett that was

770
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 2: not true, even much more so in his own time.

771
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 2: There were people writing quote autobiography false autobiographies about him

772
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:43,280
Speaker 2: in his time, making him look to be a bragger

773
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 2: of a crass. Do you remember the painter Chapman that

774
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 2: made a point to say that Crockett was never crass

775
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 2: when he was in his presence and he was painting him,

776
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 2: So we would have been around him a lot in

777
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 2: a very informal environment for hours and days, and he

778
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 2: never heard Crockett be crass. Well, that pointed to that

779
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 2: people had made him out to be this like craft,

780
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 2: you know, vulgar person. And so so my question this

781
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 2: whole series is is who is Crockett? Because it's clear

782
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 2: that his who who he is has impacted Americas so

783
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 2: much that we're still talking about and people know him.

784
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 2: He has as much name recognition probably as in the

785
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 2: upper echelon of Americans.

786
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 6: Crockett, yep.

787
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 2: Why he was a bear hunter. He was this Tennessee backwoodsman.

788
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 2: He was uneducated, he was all these things. And when

789
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 2: you really dig down into the granular things that he

790
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 2: actually did in his life, he's a fascinating guy. But

791
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 2: he takes a bad rap, like, for instance, with the Alamo.

792
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 2: If you had talked to me about the Alamo before

793
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 2: I really studied much into it, I would have heard

794
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,959
Speaker 2: people say, Ah, Crockett's no hero. He he didn't even

795
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 2: he didn't even want to be in that war like

796
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 2: he didn't even have anything to give to it. He

797
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 2: was just looking for land and painted it like he

798
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 2: was a bad guy for being at the Alamo, and

799
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: when you look, when you see what actually happened.

800
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: No, it wasn't that.

801
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 2: His motivations where I love the country of what could

802
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: be Texas and I'm going to go fight for independence. No,

803
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 2: but his motivations were he was looking for a new life.

804
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 2: He was looking for a better world for his family. Yeah,

805
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 2: he wanted to be a politician in Texas.

806
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: That's not a bad motivation anyway.

807
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 2: Clarification of all these things that he was, what do

808
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 2: y'all think, What do y'all think was after hearing four episodes,

809
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 2: what's your take on Crockett?

810
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 6: I think Crockett was a was a pretty normal guy

811
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 6: with a charismatic normal guy. But I think one of

812
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 6: the things that you know, Christy and I had a

813
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 6: lot of discussion about his his time in Texas and

814
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 6: whether he was there to just do what he had

815
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 6: to do to get some land or you know what,

816
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 6: We're what were his intentions there? And I think it

817
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 6: comes down to the fact that the one thing that

818
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 6: I did pick up about Crockett is he was very

819
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 6: relational and I think you know he talks about in

820
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 6: the letter. I can't remember if it was the letter

821
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 6: that John Wayne wrote read or which letter, but he says,

822
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 6: I'm I'm here with my friends.

823
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 2: It was his letter to his daughter, and John Wayne

824
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: referenced it. But I read the whole letter.

825
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 6: And I think there's an aspect to like he believed

826
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 6: in Texas, like he thought this is this is a

827
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 6: place where I want my family to come. But I

828
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 6: think I think there had to have been an aspect

829
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 6: because you you you know, you you see characters like

830
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 6: Steven f. Austin, you see Jim Bowie, you know they

831
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 6: they also have reputations of being larger than life characters,

832
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 6: and I think I think that the David Crockett probably

833
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 6: felt at home with those guys, and when it when

834
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,439
Speaker 6: push came to shove, he's like, it wasn't necessarily about

835
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 6: getting a land, it wasn't necessarily about defending Texas. It

836
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 6: was there to to to stand with my with my

837
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 6: brothers in the end. And so I think I think

838
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 6: if there's if there's something good to be said about

839
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 6: David Crockett, is that he he cared for people. He

840
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 6: loved people, and uh, I think that's.

841
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 2: A good I think that's good insight. I think in

842
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 2: the moment, you would do things right for people.

843
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 6: I don't think he would just pack up and leave

844
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 6: those guys. You know. I'm sure he said, all right,

845
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 6: I'm here too, I'm gonna stand with you till the end.

846
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: And he feels he feels like a guy that can

847
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 1: make a quick friend too.

848
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, you know.

849
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 5: Yeah. I took him as ving family oriented. A lot

850
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 5: of it, A lot of the stuff. It goes back

851
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 5: to him taking care of his family. Like when his

852
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 5: wife died, he could a pall m which was in common,

853
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 5: find somebody. Look, I ain't got a wife, I got

854
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 5: these kids. Y'all need to take care of them. Deuces,

855
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 5: I'm out. But he didn't do that when found somebody

856
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 5: to take care of his kids, and then not only

857
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 5: do that, he was taking care of them that that letter.

858
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 5: The whole time I was reading listening to you read

859
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 5: that letter, I was thinking, that's the letter I would

860
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 5: would have wrote to my daughter to where she wouldn't

861
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 5: worry about me even when I could. If those cats

862
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 5: were all cleaning their rifles outside the Alamo, and I

863
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 5: knew it was fixing to get bad. I'm not writing

864
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 5: a letter home that says I may never see you again,

865
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 5: and one I don't believe that's gonna happen. They're gonna

866
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 5: have to get me because my my fight then is

867
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 5: to get home to them, yeah, you know, and to

868
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 5: take care of it. And that's that's what I got

869
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 5: out of it. That he was really family oriented. And

870
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 5: he he also had family there, his brothers, his brothers

871
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 5: in arms, the folks that they was fixing to duke

872
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 5: it out with that was going to be the guy

873
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 5: left and the guy on the right of him. You know,

874
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,720
Speaker 5: you want to make friends quick and make family quick.

875
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 5: Get in a foxhole of somebody and you get out

876
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 5: of there, y'ah, you will be tight forever. And that

877
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:12,879
Speaker 5: that was what I got out of that, that he

878
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 5: was really family oriented, or so I thought that was

879
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:17,760
Speaker 5: my perception.

880
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 2: Well, just for the historical record, and I felt a

881
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:27,439
Speaker 2: little bit bad not including this, but it just didn't fit.

882
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 2: He he didn't have the greatest relationship with his second wife.

883
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 2: We don't really know the details, but we know there

884
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 2: was a period of time when they did not live together,

885
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 2: which which doesn't necessarily mean that they were divorced or separate. Well,

886
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 2: but they were separated, so I see, I see exactly

887
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 2: what you're saying. And he was dedicated to his kids

888
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 2: and different stuff, I think, and I think he was

889
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 2: very family oriented. I think he I think if you

890
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 2: really got in to the you know, we had a

891
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 2: four hour podcast basically four hours of content, and you know,

892
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 2: you could read for fifty hours on stuff Crockett.

893
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: And there's there is a fair bit.

894
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 2: Of stuff about him not being a great husband, never

895
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 2: being unfaithful that's never spoken of. When you were talking

896
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 2: about Austin and Bowie Bowie Boo, I thought I was

897
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 2: saying it.

898
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 9: Right the eighties, yeah, Crocker, Yeah, well, you know our

899
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 9: eighties Rocker, those guys had some legit rough stuff in

900
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 9: their record.

901
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 2: That would just be like a pretty pretty wild strike

902
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 2: against you. Crockett didn't have that. Crockett was Krockott owned

903
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 2: slaves in Tennessee at least one, so it's not he's

904
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 2: not you know, he had that. But but he was

905
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 2: never known as a woman is er. He was known

906
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 2: to be faithful. Whether now you know you're going to

907
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 2: write that in your autobiography, probably not.

908
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 6: But Sablie else would though, So in your autobiography, true

909
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 6: about it?

910
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: Yeah?

911
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 4: Does anyone know when the US coined we're the land

912
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 4: of opportunity?

913
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 6: Right?

914
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:19,439
Speaker 4: Is that true?

915
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 5: Natural? No?

916
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 4: No, no, Arkansas, the US?

917
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 5: Oh, oh, I got you.

918
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 4: I think we're called the land of opportunity. Honestly, I

919
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 4: think when I think about Crockett, like overall and all

920
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 4: the stories about him, he's really always what drives him

921
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 4: and motivates him, in my opinion, is opportunity.

922
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 5: Yeah.

923
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 4: Right, So you tell the story about the barrels and

924
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 4: taking him down and it failed, but it was all

925
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 4: about like, we got an opportunity here, and he's chasing

926
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:54,280
Speaker 4: the opportunity. You think about, you know, his politics, everything

927
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 4: you talked about that he did and the impact from

928
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 4: politics was all about how do you open up opportunity

929
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 4: for someone like go into Texas? Whatever was driving him

930
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 4: was like it feels like in every element in every

931
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 4: story you told, what he's driven by is that there's

932
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 4: this opportunity over here, and I think I'm gonna go

933
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 4: after it. And I think that there's some kind of

934
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 4: connection with why he's such a pillar inside of our history.

935
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 4: Is it there's that connection to opportunity, what's ahead of me,

936
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 4: what can I go grasp and whether that's for his

937
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 4: friends or for his family. I mean, he watched it

938
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 4: with his dad, his dad try things, fail, things, he'd

939
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 4: have to go make up, like go work to pay

940
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 4: off his dad's debt. And he did it willingly, like

941
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 4: you know from the stories. But I think that was

942
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 4: built inside of him, and there's got to be this

943
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 4: opportunity for something else in it. It feels like that

944
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,760
Speaker 4: is what was driving him. Yeah, and I can connect

945
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 4: to that, like I think, I think that's not hard

946
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 4: to connect to and maybe an element of why he's

947
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 4: such a pillar.

948
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, in American culture, but in American Yeah, going back

949
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 2: to your first statement, we do live in a place

950
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 2: of incredible opportunity over the last two hundred years in

951
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 2: this country. If you just looked at the literal options

952
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 2: that people have had in terms of economics and where

953
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 2: to live, and I mean, and then you looked at

954
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 2: the landscape of the world for the last eon, this

955
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 2: is a place of incredible opportunity. And yeah, and he

956
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,720
Speaker 2: he that's what he Yeah, I think that's that's probably

957
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 2: why he represents he's such a core part of American

958
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 2: identity early on.

959
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I kind of I think that's a little

960
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 3: bit what makes me have a slightly more critical view

961
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 3: of Bavy Crocket.

962
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:55,720
Speaker 1: Josh just sorry, Josh out the render.

963
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 3: Well, well, but I think that is kind of what

964
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 3: makes me have a little but like I'm listening to

965
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 3: y'all describe him, and I think it's very generous. I

966
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 3: think that, Well, I'm just saying I would love to

967
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 3: be Davey Crockett's friend. I think he would be the

968
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 3: person that I would if I go into a room

969
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 3: and he's there, I want to go hang out with him.

970
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 3: I'm going to feel most comfortable around him. I'm going

971
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:23,439
Speaker 3: to feel I'm going to enjoy hearing his stories. Yeah,

972
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 3: I don't know that i'd want to live with them

973
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 3: or rely on them like I think that that would

974
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 3: be I'm just thinking about that, that constant pursuit of

975
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 3: the thing around the corner, and and like the way

976
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 3: he when he lost, how quickly he fled out.

977
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't like that.

978
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 2: Not a characteristic of the American Frontier hashtag let Missy.

979
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 3: Talk, I hear you, And it may may have been,

980
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 3: it's just if I'm a to me as I listen

981
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 3: to to him, I think it's a characteristic of populist

982
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 3: types of people who like it. Was kind of funny

983
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 3: to me that he found a home in Little Rock

984
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 3: because we've read books by other authors who talked about

985
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 3: to home are found comfort in Little Rock. Remember when

986
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 3: he talked about the people in Arkansas, that the huge

987
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 3: welcome they gave him because that type of politician would

988
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 3: do really well here, that we would love populists and uh,

989
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 3: and they do.

990
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: Gershtocker hated Little Rock exactly.

991
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 3: There's other authors who came through Little Rock around that

992
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 3: same time period who thought it was the bane of humanity.

993
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 3: I mean, they just thought it was a terrible gerstucker.

994
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 3: Do you remember what how how he described it?

995
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 2: Oh, it's it's not really comparing apples to apples because

996
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 2: Gershtocker was detailing actually living, traveling through and living in

997
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 2: the city. All we have from Crocketts stay here is

998
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 2: his his welcome serpts from his speech where he's trying

999
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 2: to make friends with these people. Yeah, he says, this

1000
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 2: is where the half hour half alligator man.

1001
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 5: He was a politician. He was a politician because he's said,

1002
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 5: you know, no finer place because he found to live

1003
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:06,479
Speaker 5: the little rock. Then he went to Texas, like this.

1004
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:11,240
Speaker 1: Is the in Texan.

1005
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 6: New Mexico's great, like the.

1006
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: Country sing.

1007
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 2: It's like all these country singers you see on Instagram

1008
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 2: every single week.

1009
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: It's like Spokane.

1010
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 3: But that's actually kind of the feel I get from

1011
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 3: Davy Crockett. He's gonna be whatever he needs to be

1012
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,439
Speaker 3: in the room. He's a chameleion, doesn't have super thick skin,

1013
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,959
Speaker 3: super strong staying power like I just I think fun

1014
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,359
Speaker 3: guy could see why everyone would like him. I'm not

1015
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 3: sure that that's the guy I would hitch my boat too.

1016
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 4: Well, because he lacks restraint. I think that's the thing

1017
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 4: about him and any good entrepreneur.

1018
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 8: Right.

1019
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 4: I'm fascinated by entrepreneurs who will live in their college

1020
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 4: apartment ten years after they've made eight, you know, eighty

1021
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 4: million dollars. Why because they don't care about the money

1022
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 4: they are building and investing in whatever they're building in.

1023
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 4: But a good entrepreneur is gonna have restraint. They're gonna

1024
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 4: have that entrepreneurial spirit, but they're gonna also restrain themselves.

1025
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 4: Good option, bad option, opportunity, There not one to pursue.

1026
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:17,320
Speaker 4: I don't think Crockett had restraint.

1027
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he.

1028
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 4: I think he just went after all of it.

1029
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 5: He did.

1030
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 2: The one thing that we don't have about Crockett is

1031
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 2: that he only lived to be forty nine years old. Yeah,

1032
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 2: we don't have the rest of the story. Like maybe

1033
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 2: the story would have been he'd have gone to Texas

1034
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 2: and he you know, has a huge place there and

1035
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 2: it's stable, and maybe financial stability would have calmed him

1036
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 2: down the last part of his life and he would

1037
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 2: have been the president of Texas and then all this

1038
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 2: stuff that happened to him before, all these failures would

1039
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 2: have just been the thing that built up to the success.

1040
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 2: So when somebody dies when they're forty nine, it's just

1041
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 2: you get in like half the story.

1042
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't disagree. And like I said, I don't

1043
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 3: think he's a bad person, Like I don't. I don't.

1044
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 3: I don't dislike him. In fact, I like him. I

1045
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 3: would want to be around them, you know, I would

1046
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 3: want to be around him. I would enjoy the pursuits

1047
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 3: and would love to you know. Once he did something

1048
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 3: and it was like say, like he's a he's a pioneer,

1049
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 3: he's a he's an Entrepreneur's.

1050
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 2: One thing that I talked with Robert Morgan about this

1051
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 2: and it just didn't make the cut. I think that

1052
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 2: a lot of who Crockett was came from him being

1053
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 2: a middle child. He was fourth or fifth of eight

1054
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 2: or nine kids, and he was the thing that glows

1055
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 2: to me in his autobiography is how much he loved

1056
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 2: validation from people, which actually made me not like him,

1057
00:56:55,640 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 2: because he spends half of his autobiography talking about Mars. Basically,

1058
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 2: he spends a lot of his autobiography talking about how

1059
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 2: people responded to him, and he was very pleased with

1060
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 2: the way that he responded to him. I could look

1061
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 2: at that and immediately go, this guy is full of himself.

1062
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 2: And that's really what Cleaves Danella trying to say was

1063
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 2: that Crockett was kind of a vain man. That's the

1064
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 2: idea that you get. And Crockett went to his own

1065
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 2: play that in New York City Broadway play about him

1066
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 2: and kind of took in the crowd, and you know

1067
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 2: when they recognized that Colonel Crockett was here.

1068
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 3: The less generous viewpoint is that that he he was

1069
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 3: jumping from place to place, not just for opportunity, but

1070
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 3: for validation for Well, that's.

1071
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 2: Where I go back to this middle child thing. This

1072
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 2: man was literally raised in abject poverty on the American frontier,

1073
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 2: which today is romantic, at the time was the end

1074
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 2: of the earth. It was not the place you wanted

1075
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 2: to be. People were enamored with the frontier. Europe wanted

1076
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 2: to hear about it. The East wanted to hear about it.

1077
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 2: But to actually live there and scratch out of living

1078
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 2: was would be like living on the edge of a

1079
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 2: war zone.

1080
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 5: It would be.

1081
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 2: And I heard my friend Steve Vanella one time described

1082
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 2: the American Frontier like living on the border of Iraq

1083
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 2: and Pakistan, I mean a contested border. And so here's

1084
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 2: this kid who pops up and by the time he's

1085
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 2: like in his late twenties, and he becomes a magistrate

1086
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 2: in his county, and all of a sudden, his neighbors

1087
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 2: start going, you know what, David, you're pretty you're pretty

1088
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 2: good guy. You have a pretty good judgment, you're a

1089
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 2: respected man. And then he runs for state representative, and

1090
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, just like, holy cow, I could

1091
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 2: be state representative in Tennessee and I mean I see,

1092
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 2: And so he climbs that ladder and he begins to

1093
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 2: actually do work for the people. He was a good politician,

1094
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 2: especially at the state level. He did very good stuff

1095
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 2: and was an effective politician when he was a Tennessee

1096
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 2: state representative, doing really practical stuff like help He made

1097
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 2: laws that made it more difficult to get a divorce,

1098
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 2: He made laws that helped widows. He made laws that

1099
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 2: were practical laws like building navigation inside of rivers. But

1100
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 2: his main thing was always the people like him that

1101
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 2: didn't have money, that wanted to be landowners but had

1102
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 2: zero way to get there. That was his main thing

1103
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 2: was the people need this land. And so when you

1104
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 2: look at that and then again this middle child thing

1105
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 2: enjoying validation because they never got it because they weren't

1106
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 2: the oldest, they weren't the youngest.

1107
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 1: They were just lost in the middle. Some of us

1108
00:59:56,040 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: understand that, not Josh.

1109
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 4: He doesn't understand that, Josh, I'm a middle child.

1110
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 3: Most definitely Clay, who the baby.

1111
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 6: Josh was the firstborn.

1112
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 1: Josh is the firstborn.

1113
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 2: So when you so, basically what I'm saying is I

1114
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 2: could be negative about Crockett and think he was see

1115
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 2: this thing where he's kind of vain, but I also

1116
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 2: have a It's it's a pretty tall order to put

1117
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 2: my value system that I have today on a man

1118
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 2: that literally rose up from the ashes and became a

1119
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 2: legitimate potential presidential candidate.

1120
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: Did all that he did, and he did have a

1121
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: lot of moral fiber.

1122
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 2: It was misused in some places, but he really stood

1123
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 2: up to Andrew Jackson, the most powerful man in America,

1124
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 2: and put it in his face about the marginalized Cherokees

1125
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 2: and Native Americans that they were trying to move out.

1126
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 2: And from everything that you can inspect about his decision

1127
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 2: to oppose the Indian Removal Act of eighteen thirty, it

1128
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 2: was legitimate. Which it's like, man, I can have tip

1129
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 2: that because that was that was a very forward thinking

1130
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 2: idea and and and so he stood against that. So, man,

1131
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 2: he would have been a hoot to have been friends

1132
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 2: with you. I would have loved to have had a

1133
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 2: permanent seat at the Burgers Render.

1134
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, days he would have.

1135
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 4: You would have rivaled you. Brent.

1136
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, first ballot, He's a first ballot Hall of Famer.

1137
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 6: I'm just saying, Brent's trying to Brent's trying to force

1138
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 6: a vote here.

1139
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 5: That's a coup or a coop, a coop.

1140
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 2: Coop literature unt by uh opinions of others. I would

1141
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 2: read that as a coop. Okay, we're gonna do it.

1142
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: We're gonna this is this is great. We're gonna do

1143
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: a quiz.

1144
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 5: We win.

1145
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: We're gonna do a quiz.

1146
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 5: I'm not using all my brain unless I got a

1147
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 5: power got prize.

1148
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 1: Oh I see, so, uh? Do I have any other

1149
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 1: thoughts on Crockett as a whole?

1150
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 6: What?

1151
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 1: Well, what about this last episode? Do you see? In general?

1152
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 2: This is one of these things where, in general people

1153
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:29,919
Speaker 2: you get the idea that people in Texas are.

1154
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 1: Real worked up about whether Crockett died fighting.

1155
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 3: I was really surprised when the guy talked about the

1156
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 3: letters and death threats, and that was kind of wild

1157
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 3: in me.

1158
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 2: Well, but when you actually talk to the individuals that

1159
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 2: I talked to in Texas, they're like, we really don't

1160
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 2: care how he died.

1161
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 5: No, I wouldn't have either. Yeah, he was there, he

1162
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 5: was he he signed his name to the dotted line,

1163
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 5: and he got up there and he stayed there with

1164
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 5: the folks. He didn't run off. Yeah, I don't care

1165
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 5: if they caught him or if he died swinging like

1166
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 5: fest Parker did, or if they blew him up like

1167
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 5: they did John Lame. He was there and to me,

1168
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 5: that's all that matters, because that's all those boys that

1169
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 5: were with him.

1170
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 2: I could have made a podcast wholly on the controversy

1171
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:22,439
Speaker 2: of why even fifty sixty eighty years ago Texans made

1172
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 2: a bigger deal about it, because there's all these paintings

1173
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 2: of Crockett so much national or well state identity, but

1174
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 2: at the time national identity, because Texas was a it's

1175
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 2: on republic, it's own country for about eight nine years.

1176
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 1: There was there was some deeper stuff and uh, my boy,

1177
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 1: James Crisp, he.

1178
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 2: I didn't I didn't include it because it's just not

1179
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 2: the conversation I was having. But he he brings up

1180
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 2: a strong point of He talked about how he felt

1181
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 2: like they didn't want Crockett giving up to the Mexicans

1182
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 2: as like a racial thing, like we would never we

1183
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 2: would never surrender.

1184
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 5: To like Benedict another country like Benedict Donald turned round

1185
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 5: us for the British, and.

1186
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 2: So so there therein lies something a little bit deeper,

1187
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 2: which I don't know. It was a compelling argument he had,

1188
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 2: Like I said, but I don't know that that's the

1189
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 2: full story.

1190
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 1: If you were, you might could look at it that way.

1191
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 5: So there is some.

1192
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 1: More there's some legitimate reasons to wonder about why did it?

1193
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 1: But what do y'all think?

1194
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 5: How did you?

1195
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:38,479
Speaker 1: I ready to go, Brent? Is your gut?

1196
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 5: My gut is they overwhelmed him and killed him, called

1197
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:44,919
Speaker 5: him and killed him.

1198
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 4: Just from the discretion You're like, executed? You think he

1199
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 4: was captured and executed? Is that what you're saying?

1200
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 1: Well, the real question is, yeah, was was the de

1201
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 1: la Pina diary correct or?

1202
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 2: Because that was the whole thing day. Lapina said that

1203
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 2: even men were captured and they were executed.

1204
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 5: The lady that had the child, and then.

1205
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 1: They Dickinson the survivors.

1206
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 5: She said where he was laying was laying between two buildings,

1207
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 5: laying there with his hat beside him. To me, if

1208
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 5: they're going to execute him, they to put him out

1209
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 5: in front of right out in the middle of the

1210
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 5: street or the middle of the courtyard or the plaza

1211
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 5: or whatever it was. But she said it was between

1212
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 5: two buildings. To me, it's sounds like that's where they

1213
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 5: they run him down or caught him or surrounded him

1214
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 5: and got him right there.

1215
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 1: There's something to be said there.

1216
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 2: But here's the thing, and I'm not I'm playing Devil's

1217
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 2: advocate just for the sake of all the information, is

1218
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 2: that she never wrote down what she saw. What she

1219
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 2: said was recorded by someone else. So this woman who

1220
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 2: was one of the only female English speaking survivors who

1221
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 2: survived with her child, who was called the Alamo Baby,

1222
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 2: she's the person that wrote down what she said said,

1223
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 2: I saw Colonel Crockett laying there with this peculiar hat

1224
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 2: beside him. And she didn't say like there was a

1225
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 2: line of dead men, you know, as an execution.

1226
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 5: And that was what I'm saying. And this Santa Ana

1227
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 5: made really no reference to him other than if some

1228
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 5: guy called Crockett, right am I Right?

1229
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 1: Okay, so you think he you think he died? Fine, okay,

1230
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 1: miss Nukem Okay.

1231
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 3: I think there's two possibilities. If I have to pick one,

1232
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 3: I'm gonna pick uh. How the how the lady described

1233
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 3: him that the But.

1234
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is that you're saying she she he

1235
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 1: could have been executing.

1236
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I'm with Brent. I think that I do

1237
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 3: think the guy would have made a bigger deal of it.

1238
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 3: If he would have understood who he was, and if

1239
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 3: he didn't understand who he was, then yeah, it was

1240
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 3: it's almost like an afterthought. Yeah, this guy, y'all know

1241
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 3: everyone there is talking about named Crockett. I think it's

1242
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 3: possible he could have gotten caught up in a sneeze.

1243
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 3: It just happened forty nine, So.

1244
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 1: Way to bring it back.

1245
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 2: Oh man, Oh wait, so so you think he died

1246
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 2: in battle. You don't think he was executed. I don't,

1247
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 2: and you guys are real believers.

1248
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 1: Listen, listen. Christy comes back and says he was executed.

1249
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell her all the reasons why it's

1250
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 2: crazy to think he was executed. So I'm playing, I

1251
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 2: am playing Devil's advocate.

1252
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can take it.

1253
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:32,440
Speaker 2: There are three corroborating eyewitnesses of Crockett's death by execution,

1254
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 2: why zero him dying in.

1255
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 3: Battle, and all three were on the other side, right,

1256
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 3: All three were Mexicans and they did it quite a

1257
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 3: while after, right.

1258
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:51,040
Speaker 2: Well, the information well, no, the Da la Pina Diary

1259
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 2: did come out in the eighteen fifties in America. People

1260
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 2: knew about it in Mexico for a long time. It's

1261
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 2: just Crockett was brought up by Disney and apparently somebody

1262
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 2: was like, hey, we got you know, we allow Crockett died.

1263
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 3: Thing was it that didn't they say something like the

1264
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 3: font was different.

1265
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 5: Or okay, that differences.

1266
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 1: Wade, my buddy, Wade Dell. I love that guy. He's

1267
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 1: the one whose dad built a house that looked like

1268
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:18,720
Speaker 1: the Alamo on floor.

1269
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 2: Wade Dealing is a cool guy. I wish he could

1270
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 2: have been here. He's a great guy. You should follow

1271
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 2: him on Instagram. Wade Deal in art.

1272
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 1: He's an illustrator and passionate about the Alim. I love it.

1273
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:33,640
Speaker 1: He Wade said. He he's the one that said that.

1274
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 2: And that is an argument that the diary is true,

1275
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 2: Like it was a legitimate diary, but the section about

1276
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 2: Crockett was was forged and wasn't right. He thinks that

1277
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 2: de la Penna was in a Mexican prison and was

1278
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 2: reading newspaper articles and went back in and filled in

1279
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 2: his diary with the information he was getting from newspapers. Yeah,

1280
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:05,720
Speaker 2: and so it was different. James Crisp who that guy is?

1281
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 2: He is He is probably the authority, the national expert

1282
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 2: on Crockett's death for the side of execution, and he

1283
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 2: says that the Daila Pina diary has been scrutinized to

1284
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:22,640
Speaker 2: the highest degree by all the possible methods, and that

1285
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:24,759
Speaker 2: it is one percent legit.

1286
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 5: That's what he believes.

1287
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:28,800
Speaker 3: So now you're looking at Christy like, Christy, what are

1288
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 3: you going to say?

1289
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 4: But you just listen. But listen, Josh can Josh can

1290
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:36,760
Speaker 4: validate that this is what I said yesterday. And I'll

1291
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 4: say exactly what I said yesterday. I think he was

1292
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 4: captured and executed. And I think that because I think

1293
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 4: he was he wanted to live, he wanted Yeah, I don't.

1294
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm going back to my first like, he

1295
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:53,719
Speaker 4: was all about opportunity, making a way for his people,

1296
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 4: his family, and I think he was a good soldier,

1297
01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:59,479
Speaker 4: and so I don't think he was killed. I think

1298
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:01,760
Speaker 4: he was captured. And I think he could have been

1299
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 4: captured fighting as hard as he possibly could. But that's

1300
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 4: that's I mean, maybe it's a.

1301
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:10,839
Speaker 1: Romantic you think he was captured and executed.

1302
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:14,000
Speaker 4: I do. And I would also say the only thing

1303
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 4: I know about the Parlay I've learned from pirates of

1304
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 4: the Caribbean, and I was offended.

1305
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 2: By the reach, So what about the Tornell decree then,

1306
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 2: Christy don't know the Tornell decree was death to all pirates.

1307
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:28,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, they weren't taken prison.

1308
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 6: Yet, that's what That's what was.

1309
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 4: So we had that conversation yesterday too because it was

1310
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:36,720
Speaker 4: so confusing and they rejected the parlay. So did they

1311
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:40,919
Speaker 4: actually capture anyone because they told him no, prisoners kill everybody.

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Speaker 4: So it's weird.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: But if I'm just if I get to choose, which

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Speaker 4: I feel like this is a little bit choosier and

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01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 4: adventure because we don't know, I'm going to choose that

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01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:54,160
Speaker 4: he was captured because he fought, like to die.

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Speaker 6: I know exactly what happened. I think I think he fought.

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01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:02,640
Speaker 6: I think he ran out of ammunition. I think he

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01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 6: probably was down to you know, hand weapons, a knife,

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01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:11,599
Speaker 6: a hatchet, whatever. I think he could have lost those.

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01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 6: I think they probably overwhelmed him, took him and just

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01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:19,800
Speaker 6: killed him. Not not like a public execution, but like

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01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:22,800
Speaker 6: figure they caught him. I think they caught him and

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01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 6: just killed him.

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01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 1: So that would be.

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01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:30,639
Speaker 1: But I think I think you're introducing a whole news

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01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 1: I think.

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01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 6: Probably I mean, I don't think it was. I don't

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01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:39,680
Speaker 6: think it was hand to hand combat that he died in.

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01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:40,920
Speaker 5: I think he was.

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01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 6: I think they probably cashed for it and just gave him.

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Speaker 5: That's what I said.

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01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:52,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I think I don't think. I don't think

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01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:55,799
Speaker 6: they made a big deal that he was David Crockett.

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01:11:56,320 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 6: He was just another guy fighting, that's where. And then

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Speaker 6: somebody who knew recognized him.

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01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 3: He had that peculiar hat on. That's what they fine.

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01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 5: Well, and.

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01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 2: We none of us are probably really qualified to have

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01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:18,640
Speaker 2: an opinion. Why well, if I being honest, because we

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01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 2: have not read the dail opinion diary nor and I

1344
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 2: have not. I have not read what he actually wrote.

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01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:29,640
Speaker 2: I've not seen the pages and made a decision of

1346
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 2: was the front like the back, but also the corroborating witnesses.

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01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:40,639
Speaker 2: I would like to read those to see what they said.

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01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:45,839
Speaker 2: There's also they also said that Dailapina was very upset

1349
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:48,760
Speaker 2: with Santa Anna. It was in a Mexican prison, and

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01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:52,599
Speaker 2: he had reasons to say that Crockett was executed.

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01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know.

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01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:58,560
Speaker 2: I don't understand really all the politics of it, but

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01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 2: it would be like, oh, of course he would have

1354
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 2: put that in his diary, this stuff like like it's

1355
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 2: very complicated, very complicated.

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01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 1: But am I the last one?

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01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 5: Yeah? What do you think?

1358
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 3: Sneezing?

1359
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 5: And just because we're gonna all quality.

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01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:21,560
Speaker 6: So help me, every Texan in America is going to

1361
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:24,400
Speaker 6: come after you if you say he he committed suicide,

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01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:30,639
Speaker 6: having not not having having a qualified It's.

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01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 1: Hard for me.

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01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 5: To not.

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01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 2: Even with the Daily Opinion diary, even with the corroborating

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01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:42,120
Speaker 2: witnesses saying they saw him executed, it's hard for me

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01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:43,600
Speaker 2: to get behind it.

1368
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 1: The execution.

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01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:47,640
Speaker 2: I think I think he died fighting, And that's not

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01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 2: a romantic I don't really care. I don't think it's

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01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:55,800
Speaker 2: that's not me wanting to like Crockett. I just think

1372
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 2: that they were just killing a bunch of folks. And secondly,

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01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:02,800
Speaker 2: what are the chance answers that Crockett would have been

1374
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 2: one of the last guys.

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01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's saying he could have died twenty minutes after

1376
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:08,679
Speaker 5: it started.

1377
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:09,639
Speaker 1: I mean there are.

1378
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:13,679
Speaker 2: We do know that he lasted a really long time,

1379
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 2: and it's even possible that some of the survivors noted

1380
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 2: that he was one of the last guys around. Somehow,

1381
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:26,639
Speaker 2: we we know that and the data that I escapes you. Well,

1382
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:29,640
Speaker 2: I don't know that it ever hadn't, but but the

1383
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 2: fact that he would just be like the last guy alive.

1384
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:34,920
Speaker 5: It made for a short movie and book. If he'd

1385
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 5: died at the beginning of it.

1386
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think.

1387
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 2: But if he was captured, I think he would have

1388
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:46,439
Speaker 2: done everything in his in his power to get released

1389
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 2: because there the Daiapina Diary and some others say that

1390
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 2: he tried to get out of dying, which is like

1391
01:14:57,760 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 2: a good thing.

1392
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course would have believed like if they said

1393
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 3: he got tried to get out of dying with like

1394
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 3: befriending them and saying wild stories and yeah, like I

1395
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:08,639
Speaker 3: would think that if he were to try to get

1396
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:12,560
Speaker 3: out of dying, it would be colorful and memorable. And

1397
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 3: he wasn't.

1398
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 4: He wouldn't have done it. The thing about everyone getting mad,

1399
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 4: like he wasn't doing it out of cowardice, Like you

1400
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 4: were just motivated to live. Yeah, and if you weren't

1401
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:28,320
Speaker 4: shot in the battle, then you're gonna be motivated to live.

1402
01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 4: Whatever that looks like.

1403
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:34,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, But to go against everything that I just said.

1404
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 6: To play devil's advocate on yourself, our.

1405
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:41,120
Speaker 1: Boy my friend Wade Dylan.

1406
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 2: He said that he doesn't think Santa Anna would have

1407
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:46,439
Speaker 2: killed Crockett if he would have known who he was,

1408
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:49,479
Speaker 2: because he would have taken him back to Mexico to

1409
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:53,639
Speaker 2: prove to the Mexican government of American involvement. Because here

1410
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:58,719
Speaker 2: is this the most famous man in America. That Santa

1411
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:00,599
Speaker 2: Anna would have saved him, taken him back.

1412
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:02,679
Speaker 6: They still could have taken him back.

1413
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:05,880
Speaker 2: Well, that's why I and I'd like to talk more

1414
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 2: with Wade about that. I mean, it's a pretty big

1415
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:11,840
Speaker 2: deal to take a prisoner of war, especially when you've

1416
01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 2: declared that everyone's going to die. And they ended up

1417
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:18,280
Speaker 2: taking a flag back of the New Orleans Grays, which

1418
01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:20,839
Speaker 2: was a garrison of troops from New Orleans.

1419
01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:21,760
Speaker 5: And so.

1420
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:27,680
Speaker 2: That argument I'm not entirely clear on, because that's one

1421
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:29,720
Speaker 2: of his main things is he said, if they'd an

1422
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:31,600
Speaker 2: known Crockett, they wouldn't have killed him. They would have

1423
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:35,439
Speaker 2: taken him as a captive because he was so famous. Yeah,

1424
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:36,360
Speaker 2: which I don't know.

1425
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:39,639
Speaker 6: M Has everyone been to the Alamo?

1426
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 1: I have never been there.

1427
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:44,719
Speaker 3: I had I don't remember being there. My family traveled

1428
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 3: a lot. When I was under three years old, I

1429
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:47,720
Speaker 3: don't remember.

1430
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:49,799
Speaker 6: I've been to the Alma, not in the Almo.

1431
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 1: Okay, Christy, you've been there.

1432
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:54,280
Speaker 5: Yep. How do you how do you do this whole thing,

1433
01:16:54,439 --> 01:17:00,879
Speaker 5: this whole series about well this just this one in particular,

1434
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:04,479
Speaker 5: the last episode about the Alamo, and I mentioned Phil Collins.

1435
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

1436
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 3: You know what, Clay actually tried to get a hold

1437
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:09,760
Speaker 3: of him. Phil's not doing well.

1438
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:11,760
Speaker 5: No, I understand that as well.

1439
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, we actually tried to get Phil Collins as a

1440
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 1: feature guest on The Baker's podcast, made a pretty legit

1441
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:21,240
Speaker 1: stab with some people that knew his people.

1442
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 3: Extreme Alamo enthusiastic Phil Collins, the musician see it in

1443
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:29,679
Speaker 3: the air tonight.

1444
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:35,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, he donated a he had a hull. He had

1445
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:37,240
Speaker 5: a huge collection of Texas and Alamos.

1446
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 2: Apparently his age, his age would have had him as

1447
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:46,240
Speaker 2: a child during the Walt Disney Crockett era and uh yeah,

1448
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:49,639
Speaker 2: he's a very well known Crockett Alamo die.

1449
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 3: Hard really interesting.

1450
01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:52,400
Speaker 6: Makes me like him even more.

1451
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:56,040
Speaker 5: How's it go? I can feel it?

1452
01:17:57,360 --> 01:18:00,759
Speaker 1: You said he It is feeling when you feel.

1453
01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:03,400
Speaker 5: No symbols.

1454
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 6: That's right, it's true.

1455
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:06,519
Speaker 1: M hmm.

1456
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 2: Well, this has been a great conversation. Thank you all

1457
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:11,680
Speaker 2: so much for being here. Christy, it's been great to

1458
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 2: have you.

1459
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:12,439
Speaker 4: Thank you.

1460
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:17,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, you gave some very compelling arguments that are going

1461
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 2: to rival the next invitation. Whether I'm bite your Josh Josh,

1462
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:22,400
Speaker 2: thanks for.

1463
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:23,599
Speaker 5: Thanks for driving rope.

1464
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 6: Yeah exactly, I'm just the chauffeur.

1465
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:31,600
Speaker 1: Well, I can't wait for everyone to find out what

1466
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:33,120
Speaker 1: the next series is about.

1467
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:35,920
Speaker 4: Is it going to be a four part or two?

1468
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 1: On fest Parker, I doubt it to be four. I

1469
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:43,840
Speaker 1: doubt it to be four, But.

1470
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:49,720
Speaker 3: Phil, phil cec Isaac, C C. Hayden please close out

1471
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 3: with I can feel it in the air.

1472
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:54,920
Speaker 5: Goodbye.

1473
01:18:58,400 --> 01:18:58,920
Speaker 1: Thanks guys,