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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds.

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Speaker 2: And CNN forecaster Harry Enten says Trump's the only president

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Speaker 2: to ever hit eighty percent disapproval on gas prices. We

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Speaker 2: have such a great show for you today. The Good

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Speaker 2: Liar's own Jason Salvig stops by to talk about Trump

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Speaker 2: turning America into Las Vegas. Then we'll talk to semaphores

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Speaker 2: Max Tahani about the influencer shaping voter disinformation.

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Speaker 3: At first, the news smike Trump's slush fund.

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Speaker 4: It's seeming like it's melting and going from slush to nothing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so here's what's happening. Trump and really Todd Bianch

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Speaker 2: had two really nutty ideas that they were going to

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Speaker 2: a slush fund that was going to be seventeen seventy

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Speaker 2: six one point seven seven six billion dollars for Trump's

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Speaker 2: friends and colleagues who had had you know, who had

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Speaker 2: done crimes basically. Well, so now that's gone, and there's

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Speaker 2: But the real point here is that if you push

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Speaker 2: has been up until now. Because it's pretty easy to

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Speaker 2: get Donald Trump to taco. Just ask the Iranians. They've

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Speaker 2: is this caucus called the Yolo Caucus. We know them well,

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Speaker 2: Cornan Cassidy, a whole crew of Republicans, till Us and

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Speaker 2: Yolo Caucus. Push back, Donald Trump will taco. Pushback. That

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Speaker 4: Yeah, speaking of backing out, looks like no more Bill

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Speaker 4: Poulty for D and I and we now have Jake Clayton.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we are in taco times here.

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Speaker 4: I'm glad to hear that. I'm hungry.

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Speaker 2: That was really funny. You know it's funny because no

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Speaker 2: and I sound like death. So look here's what happened.

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump put Bill Poulty in the job. There is

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Speaker 2: And here's what happened. Even Donald Trump tacoed right, he said, okay,

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Speaker 2: no Bill Poulty. Now he has this guy, Jay Clayton.

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Speaker 2: Now is Jay Clayton better? Well, he's not completely inappropriate.

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Speaker 2: Does he have a national security background, No he does not.

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Speaker 2: Has he spread lies about elections on television? Yes, yes

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Speaker 2: It was a great example of to my enemy is

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Speaker 2: and far from protecting Teds's consumers, the action was filed

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Speaker 2: Salvig is one half of the Good Liars. Welcome, Welcome, Jason,

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Speaker 2: thanks for having me, Molly.

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Speaker 2: I know that I'm good. Because Jesse was like, you

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Speaker 6: I would never say that you got your relationship. You're

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Speaker 2: That's right, Donald Trump? Who is Now we've spent a

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Yes, And on Flag Day.

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Speaker 6: It's like what last year Donald Trump for his birthday

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Speaker 3: Why? Why is this happening? Why did he.

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Speaker 6: So I think this is another opportunity, Like Trump was

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Speaker 2: So it's the idea almost that negative and positive attention

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Speaker 6: And he's made a living off that, like from from

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Speaker 6: humans exist at the same time.

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Speaker 2: This was like I've been to the Bible Museum.

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Speaker 3: I know how, I know how it were the Creation

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Speaker 3: Museum in Kentucky.

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Speaker 2: No, No, the Bible mut the hobby Lobby Bible Museum

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Speaker 2: in Washington, d C. What are you kidding? They haven't

445
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Speaker 2: been to Kentucky.

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Speaker 3: I grew up in Kentucky, So now I'm.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm sorry. I feel yes. Anyway, going Loo.

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Speaker 6: In Kentucky and a lot of people had shirts from

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Speaker 6: this place. There's a place called the Creation Museum which

450
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Speaker 6: has humans and dinosaurs in the exhibits, and people I

451
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Speaker 6: go around like learning like, oh wow, this was five

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Speaker 6: thousand years ago.

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Speaker 3: That's crazy.

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Speaker 2: Uh, can you do they have the humans riding the dinosaurs?

455
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Speaker 2: Because I'm sorry, like, if I'm living back then, I'm

456
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Speaker 2: definitely riding a dinosaur.

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Speaker 3: No, it was they were just like they were like

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Speaker 3: cave people.

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Speaker 6: But the dinosaur was right there like drinking with them,

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Speaker 6: and then they have like a whole Adam and Eve

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Speaker 6: place where there's like raptor like looking at Adam and

462
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Speaker 6: Eve as they're like making out, and you.

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Speaker 2: Know, that's amazing evolution. What a scam?

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Speaker 3: What a scam?

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Speaker 7: No.

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Speaker 6: So, but the main takeaway from it was like that,

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Speaker 6: you know, these people and these like really out there beliefs,

468
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Speaker 6: they're not that far away from people in our government

469
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Speaker 6: right now, and like they might have the point, like

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Speaker 6: the savvy to not say we need to teach the

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Speaker 6: Bible in school or teach their success, but yeah, they

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Speaker 6: basically do.

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Speaker 3: But this and this, and these people feel.

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Speaker 6: Very empowered under Trump, and I wonder where it's going

475
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Speaker 6: to end, you know, with Trump being like especially when

476
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Speaker 6: he's like he's losing popular and he's going to have

477
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Speaker 6: to like double down on the people that support him.

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Speaker 3: And the people that want yes. Yes. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: One of the things that I'm struck by, and I'm wondering,

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Speaker 2: since you are really on the ground here, I wonder

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Speaker 2: if you see it. And again I can't tell if

482
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Speaker 2: this is my own weirdness from what I cover or not,

483
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Speaker 2: but like it seems as if there's like a little

484
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Speaker 2: less scary proud boy and a little more weird religious.

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Speaker 5: Is that wrong?

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Speaker 6: I mean, well, maybe that's the Proud Boys might have

487
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Speaker 6: been hired by the US government, right, I mean, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean right, is that why they're not around anymore?

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Speaker 3: I was at Delaney Hall? Uh oh, right, so.

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Speaker 2: You've been right. Yeah, So I was plain what Delaney

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Speaker 2: Hall is for just a very few people here who

492
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Speaker 2: don't know what it is.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's the Ice Detention Center and Newer. There was

494
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Speaker 6: a hunger strike there because the conditions that were inside.

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Speaker 2: Of it the food is inedible, I think, yes, And.

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Speaker 6: There was, and it's on like it's in an industrial

497
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Speaker 6: area where there's like literally like not there's nothing there

498
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Speaker 6: a both sides, like truck repair shops and like warehouses

499
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Speaker 6: and stuff like that. And when I went, I went

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Speaker 6: on a I think it was two weeks ago on Saturday.

501
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Speaker 6: There was obviously the protests were going on there. There

502
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Speaker 6: was also a pro ice protest. And the reason I

503
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Speaker 6: brought it up was because as we were leaving, there

504
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Speaker 6: was a group of Proud Boys who were showing up. Okay,

505
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Speaker 6: and in the Proud Boys get ups masks like going

506
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Speaker 6: to like basically start shit there. I think it ended

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Speaker 6: without any real violence sides something. And the pro ice

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Speaker 6: protests consisted of like several people that I've seen at

509
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Speaker 6: several Magna events. Here, it's like the same people showing

510
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Speaker 6: up for it. There was like twenty five people I

511
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Speaker 6: counted them, and they had flags that were like Trump

512
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Speaker 6: for King, like trying to control people.

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Speaker 3: Ball and Mike Yeah, yeah, So.

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Speaker 2: Are those guys are sort of the Nazi equivalent of

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Speaker 2: the bricksuit guy?

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Speaker 6: What oh the Proud Boys are Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: There's yeah, there's a bricks a guy in a bricksuit

518
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Speaker 2: who goes to all I don't know if he still

519
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Speaker 2: does does he still.

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Speaker 6: Go There's actually two there's actually two guys, and I

521
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Speaker 6: think there's a little beef between them.

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Speaker 3: Well it's like I'm the original.

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Speaker 6: And then there's like a guy in Pennsylvania who's like,

524
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Speaker 6: I've been doing this for a while too, and I

525
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Speaker 6: ran and I like run the Republican Party in this

526
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Speaker 6: county or whatever, and they're like a little bit of

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Speaker 6: beef there.

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Speaker 2: So the ideas these guys wear a bricksuit in the

529
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Speaker 2: hopes that Trump will build a wall. Now, nobody wants

530
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Speaker 2: to come here, So no, not really anymore. So they

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Speaker 2: don't need to build a wall. The wall is walled, right,

532
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Speaker 2: but they're still wearing the bricksuit.

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Speaker 6: Two things about the bricksuit, and this is more just

534
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Speaker 6: technically speaking about it. I need it polyester. It's polyester.

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00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,959
Speaker 6: We've checked checked the tags. Yeah, just give you a

536
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Speaker 6: quick guess. Was it made here in the United States

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Speaker 6: of America or not?

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Speaker 3: What do you think?

539
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Speaker 2: Oh, we're definitely made in the USA.

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Speaker 3: Made in China, made in China. Build the wall made

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Speaker 3: in China.

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Speaker 2: I'm a little disappointed. Wasn't made in Mexico? The chef

543
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Speaker 2: kiss the uh, but made in China. And I think

544
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Speaker 2: that's only one of the like I don't want to like.

545
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 2: I know there's two of them, so none of them.

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Speaker 2: Maybe was made in US, maybe it was made in Mexico,

547
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 2: but one of them is definitely made in China. That

548
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 2: is incredible and and also deeply unsurprising.

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Speaker 6: Deeply deep the amount of people we've talked to who

550
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Speaker 6: like will be like, I we gotta do something about China.

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Speaker 6: You got to buy in the USA, And then we're like,

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Speaker 6: where's your shirt made? Where's your Like? I hate Biden shirt.

553
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 6: Where's your I Hate Biden and hat? One guy I

554
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 6: talked to was like, we gotta we gotta stop this

555
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 6: Marxist propaganda that's coming in from China. And I was like,

556
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Speaker 6: can I see your hat that said the hat said

557
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,360
Speaker 6: fuck binding on it. I was like, oh, that's cool. Hell,

558
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 6: let me see it. And I looked at it and

559
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 6: says made in PRC. And he's like, oh, well, at

560
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 6: least it's not made in China. It's like, no, that

561
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:27,959
Speaker 6: couldn't be People's Republic of China. So what's uh? That

562
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 6: is like a very common like I think Trump's stuff

563
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Speaker 6: is made in the USA, Like I think his like

564
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 6: fifty dollars hat, but if you want to buy the knockoffs,

565
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Speaker 6: save a few bucks at the rally, that stuff's made

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Speaker 6: all in China exclusively.

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Speaker 2: Are you seeing anyone who's like the cliptocracy is bothering me?

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Speaker 6: Well, there's been a little bit. There's been some things.

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Speaker 6: I had a couple instances where I was heartened leaving

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Speaker 6: a rally and yes, yes, like I was actually like, okay,

571
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Speaker 6: that that there's maybe some hope here. One of that

572
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 6: was we were in Florida in the villages yeah, And

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Speaker 6: I was asking people about global warming and they said

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Speaker 6: it's a real issue and we need to do something

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Speaker 6: about it. And I said, of course, you know, Trump

576
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 6: is appointed Lee Zelden is the head of the EPA,

577
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Speaker 6: Like he's really like rolled back a lot of some

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Speaker 6: climbate forward things and then they like looked at the

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Speaker 6: camera and gave a speech basically like Trump, you got

580
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Speaker 6: to care about the economy. I mean, it's the economy.

581
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 6: You got to care about the environment. You got to

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Speaker 6: do something and stop mimid climate change. And the other

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Speaker 6: was a q and On person they talked to, and

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Speaker 6: this is like not just like qan On, like you

585
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Speaker 6: hear a couple of things about like JFK Junior, Q

586
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Speaker 6: is really Trump or whatever it is. This was like

587
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Speaker 6: somebody who was like JFK Senior is alive and well

588
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Speaker 6: and there's med beds that are keeping us alive for

589
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Speaker 6: you know, hundreds of years.

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Speaker 3: Bah.

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Speaker 6: But they said that they were like, the main problem

592
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 6: is the billionaire class. The main problem is like you know,

593
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Speaker 6: these like tech leaders and and like that this is

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Speaker 6: the issue here with the country. And I was like,

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Speaker 6: you know, you're saying something that a lot of people

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Speaker 6: on the left would agree with right now, and you're

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Speaker 6: saying something that I think a lot like you could

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Speaker 6: like work together with democrats and like and and and

599
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 6: you know, make change happen in the United States of America.

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Speaker 6: And then of course they like go off on a

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Speaker 6: thing on JFK Senior.

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Speaker 3: And it's like.

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Speaker 6: I actually said, I was like, why don't you drop

604
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 6: all this stuff that Trump is like picked by God

605
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 6: and just like focus on the things you actually want

606
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,719
Speaker 6: to accomplish with this. And it's a weird way of

607
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 6: like kind of like the people that believe that the stuff,

608
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Speaker 6: even if like their heart is in the right place,

609
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 6: these beliefs like make it impossible for you to be

610
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Speaker 6: like see eye to eye with them on something because

611
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 6: it's like it's so fantastical. It's so it's like you

612
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 6: can't be like, yes, I'm gonna work with somebody who

613
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Speaker 6: believes JFK Sr.

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Speaker 2: Like, wasn't you know, Jason, Thank you, thank you, thank you,

615
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Speaker 2: thank you.

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Speaker 6: Med beds, medd beds, get a med bed to go

617
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 6: to med beds, get him hot.

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Speaker 2: To get a med bed. Max Tani reports on the

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Speaker 2: media for someofore welcome, Welcome.

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Speaker 5: Max Oh, thanks for having me. I'm sorry, you're sick, Molly, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I'm a mess.

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Speaker 2: So well, a couple of months ago, I got a

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Speaker 2: dumb DM from Acowshe, you know, like person whoever was,

624
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Speaker 2: you know, saying like, we like your content, and of

625
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: course ignored it. But I thought like, oh, I bet

626
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 2: everybody's getting these and I bet this is part of

627
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Speaker 2: a thing. And then here you are scooping this story

628
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Speaker 2: and so I'm very excited to have you here to

629
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Speaker 2: talk about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, you are one of probably like tens of thousands

632
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Speaker 7: of news personality independent didn't creator type of people who've

633
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 7: gotten invites from either Calshi or polymarket to become paid

634
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Speaker 7: partners to essentially, you know, go about the business of

635
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Speaker 7: your whatever you're making on the internet, but to also

636
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Speaker 7: incorporate Calshi and poly market prediction market odds into your content.

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Speaker 2: So you start this story talking about a guy called

638
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Speaker 2: gunther Egoman. Can you explain to the people who listen

639
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,479
Speaker 2: to this podcast who are not extremely online who gunther

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Speaker 2: Egoman is. I assume that's not his real name.

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00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 7: It's not it's a guy. His real name I believe

642
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 7: is Dave or David. He is a MAGA online creator

643
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 7: mostly just tweets pro Trump, anti Dems in cities kind

644
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 7: of content. He's relatively new creator online. It looks like

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Speaker 7: he had set up his ex account around twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 7: so some of us have been toiling on there for

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Speaker 7: a lot longer. But he's a new kind of a

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Speaker 7: newish creator, and he's wrapped up well over a million

649
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Speaker 7: followers I believe over a million and a half followers,

650
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Speaker 7: just basically tweeting regular type of if you you know,

651
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Speaker 7: if you know this type of maga content, you would

652
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Speaker 7: be familiar with his work.

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Speaker 2: It's stuff about.

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Speaker 5: Election fraud and pro Trump content.

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Speaker 7: And you know, recently he has been tweeting a lot

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Speaker 7: about the California elections, in particular the LA mayoral election.

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Speaker 2: Right exactly explain why the LA mayoral election is so stupid?

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Speaker 7: Well, as a Southern California resident, a former Southern California resident,

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Speaker 7: I should say I grew up in Orange County. But

660
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Speaker 7: essentially there have been just this raft of since the

661
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Speaker 7: LA mayoral election concluded several weeks ago, there have just

662
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 7: been this raft of theories about essentially the election being

663
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 7: stolen from former Hills reality star Spencer Pratt, who was

664
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Speaker 7: running as a Republican, and despite the fact that he

665
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 7: got a lot of media attention and he was, you know,

666
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Speaker 7: the subject of an immense amount of coverage, and particularly

667
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 7: in the days leading up to the election, there was

668
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 7: all kinds of stuff out there in Fox and in

669
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Speaker 7: other you know, kind of right leaning outlets essentially saying,

670
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Speaker 7: like you know, in the New York Post, saying, you know,

671
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Speaker 7: this guy might have a chance of actually winning and

672
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Speaker 7: advancing to the general election. LA has this setup where

673
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:24,280
Speaker 7: the top two vote getters advanced. He did not advance,

674
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Speaker 7: and as the returns came in somewhat slowly over the

675
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Speaker 7: next few days, Nythia Rahman, the city councilwoman it surpassed

676
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 7: him and advanced into the runoff with Mayor Bass. And

677
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 7: this made a lot of people in the conservative, you know,

678
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 7: right wing kind of creator space very upset, and of course,

679
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 7: you know, they weren't alone. Donald Trump also tweeted some

680
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 7: election fraud conspiracy theories about the LA mayor election.

681
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Speaker 2: The math on this, though, is that Steve Hilton nu Is,

682
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 2: a Republican, did make it into the runoff in the state,

683
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Speaker 2: just Spencer Pratt did not make it into the runoff

684
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Speaker 2: in an area that's like a D plus fifty.

685
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and Steve Hilton has actually talked about this.

686
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Speaker 7: I believe he had a quote, say a few days ago, saying,

687
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Speaker 7: you know, there's nothing to you know, suggest that there's

688
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 7: any anything fraudulent here, and you know, kind of of

689
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 7: course he would say that he is advancing. But it's

690
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Speaker 7: not really necessarily a surprise if you're from one of

691
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Speaker 7: the major cities like New York or Los Angeles, that

692
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Speaker 7: Spencer Pratt would not win. Yes, as you correctly pointed out,

693
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:29,720
Speaker 7: it's an incredibly democratic city. And also Pratt was getting

694
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 7: some support from some of the wealthier areas that are

695
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 7: not even essentially part of Los Angeles and can't vote.

696
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Speaker 7: They're technically, you know, in La County, but they're not

697
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 7: part of La proper. And so you know, those some

698
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 7: folks in some of those affluent areas actually couldn't participate

699
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 7: in the election, not that it would make a tremendous

700
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Speaker 7: amount of difference. LA is a very blue city, as

701
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Speaker 7: many major cities are across the country. It's not totally

702
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Speaker 7: surprising that a Republican would not advance there. It doesn't

703
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Speaker 7: normally happen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's also he was a sort of late

705
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Speaker 2: and you know, it was not like he had a

706
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 2: huge place in the community. A lot of his ads

707
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 2: were ai. I mean, it was a sort of you know,

708
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Speaker 2: even if he were a liberal, you could see a

709
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Speaker 2: world where he didn't make the runoff. I mean, it's

710
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Speaker 2: you know, a lot of these people had been Karen

711
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 2: Bass was mayor, this other woman, Ramen, had been on

712
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 2: the city council. I mean, these were people who actually

713
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 2: had government jobs, right.

714
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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I mean obviously, you know, you never say

715
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 7: never these days with unelected folks, folks from entertainment advancing

716
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 7: in politics. But it's true that even though there is

717
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 7: a lot of dissatisfaction, real dissatisfaction, even among many Democrats

718
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 7: with Karen Bass, you know, over handling of you know,

719
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 7: of some major incidents, obviously the LA fires last year,

720
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 7: the math still didn't work to Pratt's advantage. And it

721
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 7: really seemed that while he had, you know, he was

722
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 7: great at getting attention, it just it wasn't enough to

723
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 7: propel him here in a city that is just again

724
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 7: overwhelmingly democratic, always votes Democrat every election. It's the reason

725
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 7: why these mayoral contests in La Republican mayoral candidates don't

726
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 7: usually get much attention.

727
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Speaker 2: So let's talk about poly Market and Calshie and how

728
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 2: they work and how did they get influencers.

729
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, they're both essentially, Calshie and Polymarket are prediction markets,

730
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 7: and essentially over the last several years. The reason why

731
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 7: they've become more prominent, why they've kind of burst onto

732
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 7: the scene here, is that the Trump administration has basically

733
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 7: said that they're not going to They've signaled that they're

734
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 7: not going to really stand in the way of these

735
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 7: folks operating. Both Calci and Polymarket were kind of at

736
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 7: odds in some ways with the Biden administration, which kind

737
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 7: of took a more strict regulatory view of some prediction markets,

738
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 7: though they.

739
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Speaker 2: Didn't really regulate them either.

740
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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's clear that basically when Trump came into office,

741
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 7: his administration signaled that it was going to kind of

742
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 7: look the other way and it wasn't going to last yes,

743
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 7: even less, and it wasn't going to put a lot

744
00:37:58,120 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 7: of pressure on either of these. I mean, you need

745
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 7: to look, no need look no further than Polymarket sponsorship

746
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 7: of the UFC fight that's happening this weekend on the

747
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 7: White House lawn. Donald Trump Junior is in business with

748
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 7: both of these companies in some form or fashion. It

749
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 7: basically opened up the floodgates as soon as he kind

750
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 7: of took off. This. Essentially, the prediction markets allow you

751
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 7: to wager on future events. They don't really call them bets,

752
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 7: you know, essentially you're like they compare themselves in some

753
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 7: ways to like the stock market, only you can wager

754
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 7: on events happening. So in this case, a lot of

755
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 7: folks were placing bets on the odds of Spencer Pratt

756
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 7: essentially advancing past the primary to the general election round.

757
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 7: Polymarket and Kalshi have also really tried to insert themselves

758
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 7: into where people are getting their news. Essentially, they realize

759
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 7: those companies both realize essentially that news consumers, people who

760
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 7: are really interested in news and media and outcomes, those

761
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 7: are people who might place wagers on them in the

762
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 7: same way that people who are sports fans might wager

763
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 7: on sports, and these boat It should also be said

764
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 7: that both Calshi and Polymarket do have a lot of

765
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 7: sports betting as well, So both companies have reached out

766
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 7: to tens of thousands of creators, commentators, podcasters, pretty much

767
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 7: anybody who's not like officially employed at a mainstream legacy

768
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 7: news outlet where this kind of thing isn't allowed to say, hey,

769
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 7: if you share these odds, if you do an x

770
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 7: number of posts for us a month, we'll pay you

771
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 7: a certain amount of dollars, either for per post or

772
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 7: you know, to meet some sort of contract that we're

773
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 7: setting up. And a lot of folks have seen this

774
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,439
Speaker 7: as a great way to make money. It should also

775
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 7: be said that Calshi and polymarket both have deals with

776
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 7: mainstream and legacy media outlets as well to include some

777
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 7: odds in coverage. It's not exactly the same, but they're

778
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,720
Speaker 7: very much embedded in the media and news business these days.

779
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 2: It seems as if they end up sponsoring a lot

780
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 2: of content that is either like not true, so racist,

781
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: or something where an advertiser might not you know that

782
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 2: they're so sketchy.

783
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 5: Yeah.

784
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 7: So, the way that these things work essentially is poly

785
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 7: Marketing and Calshi both have deals to require you to

786
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 7: do some number of posts, including their data, their information.

787
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 7: When it comes to something like sports, it's basically like

788
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 7: you know you're posting, and you know when you say,

789
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 7: you know, if I was betting on the Knicks. I

790
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 7: might say, Okay, you know Nicks are gonna win. I

791
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 7: think Nicks are going to win this next game, and

792
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 7: it's you show the poly market odds for whatever that is.

793
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 7: And most of the time that's the form that these

794
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 7: types of things take. But the reason that this caught

795
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 7: my attention last week was because what I noticed was

796
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,919
Speaker 7: that there were a number of political influencers who had

797
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 7: deals partnerships with calshiy and with Polymarket who were posting

798
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 7: essentially California election fraud claims above the Calshi and poly

799
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 7: market posts. They were quote tweeting Calshi posts, quote tweeting

800
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 7: Polymarket posts saying essentially, you know, stop the steal, the

801
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 7: election is rigged. And it was quite remarkable because you

802
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 7: would see at the bottom it would say, you know,

803
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 7: paid partnership. And so what I did after that, I

804
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 7: thought it was quite incredible, obviously, and I reached out

805
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 7: to Polymarket, and I reached out to Calshie and I said,

806
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 7: you know, essentially, are you aware that there are a

807
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 7: number of commentators who you were essentially paying to spread,

808
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 7: you know, election conspiracies and what's the what are the

809
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 7: policies here?

810
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 5: I also reached.

811
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 7: Out to you know, all of these these creators themselves,

812
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 7: and I asked them if they believed that if the

813
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 7: elections were stolen, if Calshi and Polymarket should refund the bets,

814
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 7: because you know, this election is is is a fraud,

815
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 7: and so it would you know, nullify this market.

816
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 5: Unfortunately, I did not get a response from them.

817
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 2: Really, what about did you reach out to gun Thory Eagleman?

818
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 5: I send an email to what I believe was his

819
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 5: to his email.

820
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 2: Address, who can be sure?

821
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, I did.

822
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 7: It didn't bounce, so I believed that it was his email.

823
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 7: I emailed Benny Johnson some of these other folks. No responsible, sadly.

824
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 2: Okay, no response, But what did the production market side?

825
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 7: This was really interesting because I it showed me some

826
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 7: of the differences between these are in many ways very

827
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 7: similar competitors. They're very similar companies, but they do operate

828
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 7: slightly differently, and their responses were slightly different in a

829
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 7: way that I think showed what the leadership.

830
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 5: And the culture is of these companies.

831
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 7: Cal she engaged with me pretty quickly, and you know,

832
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 7: they said that they would essentially look into it, and

833
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 7: then about a day later they told me that they

834
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,760
Speaker 7: had asked for these posts to be taken down because

835
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 7: they violated the organization's policies and sponsorship policies essentially, And

836
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 7: then when I checked the posts that I cited in

837
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 7: my story, they had been removed by those users. Polymarket

838
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 7: had a slightly different response. They ended up taking a

839
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 7: lot longer to get back to me. I only spoke

840
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 7: with them this week, and they said that while these posts,

841
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 7: some of these posts did violate some of their agreements,

842
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 7: they were not We're going to force creators to take

843
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 7: them down. They were only going to essentially ask that

844
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 7: they remove their paid sponsorship tag. And even still in

845
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 7: this case, some of these posts that were promoting election

846
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 7: fraud still as of today I went and checked, still

847
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 7: do have these paid labels. So even though Polymarket is

848
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 7: asking their creators not to put the paid partnership tag

849
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 7: on fraud claims and presumably they're not paying for those

850
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 7: specific posts, those tags are still up there, not asking

851
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 7: their users to remove the posts. So it's a small,

852
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 7: slight distinction between the companies. But I do think Calshi

853
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 7: seems a little bit more reactive to some of this stuff,

854
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 7: insensitive to it than Polymarket. One other thing I'll say

855
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 7: here is that both companies have recently brought on pretty

856
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 7: serious communications teams to deal with some of the fallout

857
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 7: from some of these posts and from you know, employing

858
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 7: a large network of influencers to constantly be tweeting.

859
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 2: But all of these places are completely unregulated, so they

860
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 2: can just do whatever they want. There's no laws governing

861
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 2: any of this, right.

862
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 7: No, not really? Yeah, I mean they could have not respond.

863
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 7: They could continue to pay folks today this kind of thing.

864
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 7: My argument to both of them was that I thought

865
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 7: that this is not really really even if you set

866
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 7: aside the facts, you know, even if you didn't care

867
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 7: about whether these claims were what, you know, the folks

868
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 7: that you were paying were putting accurate claims out there

869
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 7: into the world.

870
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Speaker 5: My argument was, I think that this is bad for business.

871
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 7: Essentially, it doesn't make sense if you're going to be

872
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 7: creating a market that has these kind of rules in

873
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 7: it for the people that you're paying to sponsor the

874
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Speaker 7: market saying actually, this outcome is rigged. It's the reason

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Speaker 7: why I asked the various creators, even though I didn't

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Speaker 7: get any response, whether they thought that the people who

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Speaker 7: participated in these markets who bet on Spencer Pratt should

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Speaker 7: be refunded for them, right, because when they're undermining the

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Speaker 7: integrity of the election without these elections, without any real evidence,

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Speaker 7: they're also undermining the validity of the prediction market outcomes themselves,

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Speaker 7: which pay out based on actual election results.

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Speaker 2: Oh, for sure, it's bad for any number of reasons.

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Speaker 2: Like so many of these companies are so emboldened under Trump,

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Speaker 2: you know, to just sort of do it's almost like,

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Speaker 2: you know, considering the pardons that he's laid out, like

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Speaker 2: there's a feeling that white collar crime is like not

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Speaker 2: a crime anymore. I mean, all these people who sucked

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Speaker 2: up Trump obviously did it for regulatory approval or the

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Speaker 2: favor bank. Or do you think that there's a sense

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Speaker 2: among And this is just I want you to sort

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Speaker 2: of speculate, because you cover a lot of stuff and

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Speaker 2: you write about media, et cetera. Do you think that

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Speaker 2: these people really do think? And again, they may be right,

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Speaker 2: so it's not a judgmental question, but like, do you

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Speaker 2: get the sense that these people really do think like

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Speaker 2: this will never end and that the sort of protection

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Speaker 2: of trump Ism and his staunch refusal to focus on

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Speaker 2: any kind of regulatory anything will carry them through or

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Speaker 2: do you think people are just sort of cash grabbing.

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Speaker 7: I think that they know that it's a good you know,

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Speaker 7: it's a great moment for them, that obviously this is

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Speaker 7: a sick, efficantly more advantageous and favorable business environment for

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Speaker 7: both Calshi and Polymarket.

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Speaker 5: Again, these are.

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Speaker 7: Small distinctions, but I think that CALCI kind of claims

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Speaker 7: that they want to be regulated in a more close

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Speaker 7: way so that regardless of who is which administration is

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Speaker 7: in charge, whether it's a Democrat or Republican Trump or

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Speaker 7: not Trump, that they can go on and kind of

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Speaker 7: exist as a business and that their business doesn't have

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Speaker 7: to rely on who is in charge necessarily or rely

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Speaker 7: more heavily on who is in charge. So I think

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Speaker 7: that that's a small distinction. They're part of some industry

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Speaker 7: kind of trade group that Polymarket hasn't joined. This is

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Speaker 7: kind of way in the weeds, But I think to

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Speaker 7: your broader point, I do think that both organizations understand

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Speaker 7: that the next administration that comes in may not be

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Speaker 7: and probably won't be as favorable towards them. I mean,

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Speaker 7: you really do see this in some ways, even bubbling

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Speaker 7: up on the right in their attitudes towards this explosion

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Speaker 7: of online gambling. You've even seen it with someone like

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Speaker 7: rondas Antis, who's taking kind of a slightly more skeptical

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Speaker 7: look at some of the things around online gambling. There's

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Speaker 7: some commentators out there on the right who kind of

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Speaker 7: feel a little bit like the stuff has gone too far.

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Speaker 7: But for these companies, it's a it's a great moment.

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Speaker 7: It's the reason why they have very pro Trump folks

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Speaker 7: close to them within their organizational structure.

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Speaker 5: And also, I think that there is a.

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Speaker 7: Cultural element to this too, right, Like a lot of

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Speaker 7: the people who bet on the La mayoral race bet

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Speaker 7: on Pratt winning a wagering that Pratt would kind of

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Speaker 7: win the race, and I think that the reason for that,

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Speaker 7: you know, I think it reflected kind of the some

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Speaker 7: of the usership of these sites and kind of who

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Speaker 7: replacing wagers and bets. It's very similar to the sports crowd,

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Speaker 7: so it over indexes young and male. So I think

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Speaker 7: that that's worth pointing out.

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Speaker 2: Oh we're so cooked, thank you, thank you, Thanks Matt Well, thanks.

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Speaker 5: Molly, no.

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Speaker 4: Jesse Cannon my drunk fast and so the Ohio Organizing

942
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Speaker 4: Collaborative has been raided by the FBI. What we're seeing

943
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Speaker 4: in Ohio right now is shared Brown has a very

944
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Speaker 4: good chance of taking back a Senate seat.

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Speaker 3: Looks like the Amy actin We.

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Speaker 4: Have the worst candidate I've seen in a while, Vivec

947
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Speaker 4: from Aswami, who seems to not be able to stop

948
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Speaker 4: saying things that voters go what the hell about every

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Speaker 4: time he speaks. So sure enough, we're seeing the weaponized

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Speaker 4: government come in and try to tilt the playing field.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what's happening here is that Republicans are

952
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Speaker 2: trying to steal this election in the state of Ohio,

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Speaker 2: and they raided the Cleveland office of an Ohio organization.

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Speaker 2: It's a pro democracy organization that helps register voters in

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Speaker 2: the state. And you know why they're doing this, to

956
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Speaker 2: scare people, to scare people, to try to convince them,

957
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Speaker 2: not help voters vote. It's intimidation. You know, it's likely illegal.

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Speaker 2: It's the kind of stuff that all the Civil rights

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Speaker 2: actions fought against, the people like John Lewis and Martin

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Speaker 2: Lutherer King fought against it. And it's just really really

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Speaker 2: unsurprising from this administration that is filled with cheaters and

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Speaker 2: liars and races.

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