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Speaker 1: Nobody thinks they're joining a cult. People in cults don't

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Speaker 1: know they're in cults. And my parents thought they were

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Speaker 1: in a nonviolent drug rehabilitation society, which is kind of

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Speaker 1: how it started. It was just trying to get addicts clean,

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Speaker 1: and it did a pretty good job of doing that,

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Speaker 1: saved a lot of people's lives.

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Speaker 2: First, that's Michael jo Lay reflecting on his unique and

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Speaker 2: complicated childhood.

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Speaker 1: But then you isolate people and you start getting group

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Speaker 1: think going, and then there's kind of like this quirk

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Speaker 1: of human psychology that they tend to line up behind,

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Speaker 1: very often a narcissistic and abusive man, and that's what

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Speaker 1: happened in our case.

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Speaker 2: I'm Danny Shapiro and welcome to the new season of

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Speaker 2: Family Secrets. I can't wait to share ten astonishing new

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Speaker 2: stories with you, stories of resilience, memory, and the way

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Speaker 2: in which long held family secrets so often need.

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Speaker 1: To come out.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to season nine, which drops on Thursday, November ninth.

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Speaker 2: Here's Susan ko Itto recalling the risks she took to

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Speaker 2: crack the code of her identity.

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Speaker 3: I said to the receptionist, I just need to get

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Speaker 3: something from my car, I'll be right back, and I

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Speaker 3: race walked out to my car and threw it in

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Speaker 3: the seat and just drove off as fast as I could.

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Speaker 3: And that was how I got those records which had

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Speaker 3: my birth mother's name. I was like, I am like

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Speaker 3: breaking the law? What am I doing here? Is this

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Speaker 3: a crime? Am I going to jail for this?

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Speaker 4: What did I do?

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Speaker 3: I was terrified. My heart was pounding so hard.

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Speaker 2: And Daniel Wallace, whose role model shaped and surprised him.

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Speaker 4: And on the edge of that roof, looking down twenty

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Speaker 4: five feet or so to the pool below, was William.

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Speaker 4: He was cut off, jeans, nothing else, spotlighted in the sun,

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Speaker 4: his long golden hair draping over his shoulders. He dove

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Speaker 4: off the roof into the pool and lived. It was

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Speaker 4: clear to me whether that was going to be how

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Speaker 4: this all turned out, but he did it. He got

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Speaker 4: out of the pool, climbed the house again, which was

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Speaker 4: no easy feet, walked across the hot tar to my parents' bedroom,

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Speaker 4: and jumped off again.

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Speaker 2: I hope you'll join me and my extraordinary guests for

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Speaker 2: this new season of Family Secrets, coming Thursday, November ninth,

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Speaker 2: on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you'll get

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