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Speaker 1: I've heard of football players becoming professional bodybuilders, police officer

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Speaker 1: And fortunately I had a friend that was already competing

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Speaker 1: I know that. But that's not who Pheil Heath is. Right,

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Speaker 1: I think TiO has the best gifts. I think so too,

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Speaker 1: and I know, given the right motivation, he would do

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Speaker 1: you know he's want Yeah, I didn't even think about

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