WEBVTT - Murdered at a Bad Address w/ Happy Anderson 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.960 Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.760 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:08.799 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:26.079 These are our stories, done done. 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:30.720 Yay, that's messed up an SVW podcast. 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:38.000 I'm Liza Tragger. It's like, what's this pause about? I 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:44.120 got distracted by my own bracelet and I'm Kara klank At. 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:47.199 Every week you guys know you guys, if you're a Tommy, 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:51.760 you know this is sv recaps true crime deep dives 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:55.760 and interviews with fun actors and people involved with the 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:59.440 show and chit chats. And you're holding a la boo boo. 0:00:59.520 --> 0:00:59.920 What is that? 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:06.039 Yeah, stretching, But it's that Laboo Boo's not gonna get 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:07.080 plenty of fresh ites. 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:08.399 He's doing his little stretches. 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:12.360 Yeah. Well, it is funny that this is episode two 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:14.760 ninety one, and like, I could still fuck up the intro. 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:17.040 It's like so cool to remember. 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:20.959 Yeah, yeah, you're like, we're not just phoning it in 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:24.880 you now. People say that SVU is a well oiled machine. 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:30.600 Not this podcast. We this machine's constantly got fucking some 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:33.440 shit gunking up the cogs and stuff and we've got 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:34.000 to clear it. 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:37.680 Out and it's mostly just stuff on my desk. That's yeah, 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:40.880 that's what it is. I can't with this desk. I 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:43.039 also have this kind of la blue boo too. It's like, oh, 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:46.800 I'm open lighte. This was the gift. It's so fun 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:51.040 when I post things on like my videos on Instant 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:52.360 and people will be like, I gave that to you, 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:55.160 because it's all kind of blurs. What people do get 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:56.840 me such good. I guess it's such. 0:01:56.680 --> 0:02:00.600 A blur, like where, oh my god, my my pouch 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:03.640 that says I haven't a prince who wants to be 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:05.840 a princess when you can be Olivia Ben. 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:07.720 Ali Ben said, it's honestly and reach. I can grab 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:08.720 it right now if you want to look at it. 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:12.480 Yeah, so ours is our gem pouch. It's like where 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:14.360 my kids put all their gems. Oh my god, the 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:18.760 way that yours looks so white and beautiful like mine 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:22.480 is I would say, a dark shade of cream now 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:25.880 because of my children use it every day like okay, 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:28.600 it's where all their gems are. Yeah, so all their 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:31.960 gems are in there. And I mean, if you're listening, 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:33.920 thank you, to the person who gave us that, because 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:36.880 that's truly a constant in my life. So you know, 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:38.119 it's been gorgeous to New York. 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:40.400 And I was taking the long way to get onto 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:42.640 the train to go to Brooklyn for a show, and 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:44.960 I had enough time and there was an one outdoor 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:47.079 table of two and one of my favorite bars, so 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:49.000 I was like, fuck, I got it. I'll have a beer, 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:51.880 so I put I didn't want to leave my stuff 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:54.040 out there, so I put a book down. No big deal, 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:55.960 and I asked the man at the other table, I'm like, 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:57.280 can you just watch my book? I want to go 0:02:57.280 --> 0:03:01.960 get a guinness. So I get the the books being held. 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:04.920 His friends joins him, and then it's Giovanni's rooms. So 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:06.800 then one of the guys is like, what part are 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:09.240 you on? And then I can't figure out if they're 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:11.679 straight or get or whatever, and we start talking about 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:13.880 Giovanni's room and reading and then heat Reverie and how 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:15.280 I got into reading, and they're like, well, why did 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:16.880 that get you into reading? Like their books, and then 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:21.440 the guy goes, yeah, you know, I like gay guys stuff, 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:23.440 but when it comes to gay sex, I just can't 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:25.280 watch it. And I'm not sure what the reason is. 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:28.040 And then he got a phone call and I started reading. 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:31.239 But it's like, I think it's homophobia, Like I don't. 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:33.520 I don't know what the other reason would be. 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:37.480 Unless you don't like any sex and stuff like that 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:40.400 makes sense to me, like I don't like seeing actors 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:43.600 fuck on camera like that. Okay, yeah, but to be like, 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:46.080 I don't know what it is, but I just can't 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:49.560 look at gay sex like I think it's homophobia, but 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:53.000 maybe there's something I'm not I'm not grasping. 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:54.440 Yeah, but he. 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:56.760 Seemed gay to me, but a lot of but I 0:03:56.800 --> 0:03:58.760 guess not because then the other guy mentioned his wife. 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:01.440 He was in a nixture. Then I started reading and 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:04.240 the night ago, but I'm sorry it was a guy 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:06.960 you were talking to. It was two guys. It's two guys. 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:09.880 Do they care about two women having sex? Well? 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:11.240 No, Then he got a phone call because I obviously 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:13.160 would have argued him. He really it was like the 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:16.640 luckiest moment of his life, say, by the fucking bell. 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:19.359 And then I started reading and then they started talking, 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:22.640 so is fine? Then I left, but I yeah, I 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:25.160 was just like, then, what do you think it is? 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:26.400 It's weird? 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:28.040 I don't. 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:29.880 I don't. 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:31.400 I just don't know what else the reason because it's 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:36.120 like you either are apprude all around, because you can 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:38.400 also look at stuff that doesn't turn you on, and 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:40.080 then you can also be turned on by stuff that's 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:40.680 not porn. 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:43.920 It's just like everyone's brains have broken. Yeah, you can 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:46.200 also be turned on by just like two people making 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:49.719 out if it's like the right storyline, like if the circle. 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:51.839 But I couldn't tell if the guy was gay or not, 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:54.600 like his friend wasn't but I couldn't tell if this 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:55.080 guy was. 0:04:56.040 --> 0:05:02.080 Oh so that that's interesting to me self hate So 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:06.400 maybe some self hating situation, oh one hundred percent. 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:10.280 Yeah, yeah, but maybe not. I mean, maybe there's more 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:12.479 to it that I'm not seeing. But to me, I'm 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:15.600 just like, huh, it's a weird thing to say out 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:16.400 loud too. 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:20.479 To me, we met any penetrative any penetrative sex, Like, 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:22.880 what does it matter where different penises are going? I 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:25.360 don't think it matters. Also, everyone and you also don't 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:28.760 see a penis, right, that's the thing. Every like the 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:30.560 thing is people have built it up to be too porny. 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:33.560 Again, well, I'm not going to watch off campus, but like, 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:36.320 I haven't heard any porn comparisons to that show. 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:37.640 What's Off Campus. 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:40.400 It's a straight hockey show on Amazon that's like a 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:42.240 hit right now, and every time it's in my feet, 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:43.560 I'm like, I don't want this. 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:48.000 Oh wait, did they make this like quickly off of 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:50.040 the No, No, it's been around. 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:53.039 No, hockey smut's been in for a long time. I'm 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:53.760 late to it. 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:58.400 Oh, it's a genre. I mean, Rachel tifically hockey. 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:01.719 Yeah, Rachel's been writing these books for I think seven 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:05.400 or eight years, if not longer, right, and then like 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:07.960 there's a whole other series and then Red, White, and 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:11.400 Blue was also hockey, but straight this Off Campus is 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:12.840 it's like, No, it's like a. 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:16.120 Full genre on its own. I wonder why just hockey. 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:19.960 There's never like a basketball like story or like so 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:23.360 much equipment, like it makes it tougher, you know. Like, 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:25.200 And what. 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:28.000 I'm learning to is, like, I mean the homophobia for 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:30.480 the gay stuff, it's like a really masculine The Russians 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:32.159 are all like hate gay people, so I think the 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:33.560 secrets are like harder to keep. 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:34.920 Oh yeah, yeah yeah, But then. 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:37.520 That's more what I also have learned reading all these 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:41.000 hockey books is like, okay, so there's the NHL that's professionals, 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:43.520 and then they all have feeder teams and you're a 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:46.920 professional person, but you could be undrafted. But with hockey, 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:48.719 like you could have to get on a flight that 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:51.640 night and join a team like are are Like our 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:55.800 goalie is injured, you're the next goalie. You need to 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:57.880 sit on the bench, and then you're like flying to 0:06:57.920 --> 0:06:59.880 a different state and have to move. That's why one 0:06:59.880 --> 0:07:01.960 of the books he falls in love with his interior 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:06.080 designer because they constantly have to move, like you can 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:08.080 get traded in the middle of anything. Also, like in 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:09.800 the game you can go in and out like basketball, 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:12.000 like you have to like wait to like sub players, 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:15.840 there's just something where they're just being traded all the time. 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:20.560 And there's all these under feeder like minor leagues, and 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:25.000 I think it's like that that adds drama too, Like 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:29.160 you're constantly being moved around maybe m M. And their 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:32.480 bodies just look good like you're because they're skating so 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:36.160 like their asses are good because of the movements they 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:36.680 have to do. 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:40.320 Sure, I mean soccer guys have hot asses too. I 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:42.320 bet there could be some good soccer spot No. 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:46.240 Yeah, but soccer they're so gay outwardly, you know what 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:50.960 I mean, They're very there. It's like the gayest sport. Besides, 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:56.920 I don't think synchronized swimming. Maybe water polo. No, yeah, 0:07:56.960 --> 0:08:00.320 I don't know why it's hockey because I don't I've 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:02.600 never been to a hockey I've never watched. 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:05.360 A hockey game ever. Can I ask a random question 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:07.560 because you were a swimmer. When you were a swimmer, 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:09.040 did you ever do this thing where you would like 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:11.560 let your body hair grow and then shave, like right 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:13.080 before a meat so that you'd go faster? 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:13.960 Of course? 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:16.680 Okay. I was telling my friend that she grew up 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:19.160 swimming in England and she was a big swimmer, like 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:21.920 all county or whatever in England, and she was like, no, 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:23.920 we were just like always shaved all the time. I 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:26.080 was like, Oh, for some reason, the girls I knew 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:28.800 that were swimmers would do this drag thing right where 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:31.680 like it was yeah, like for drag, right, like the 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:32.440 hair drags. 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:34.120 You would that, but you wouldn't shave it for a 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:36.920 regular meat. You would do it for like sectionals conference 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:41.560 right like right, Like I wasn't that good? So like 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:44.080 for conference. That would be my big thing. But I 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:47.160 guess if you reveal like taking off all of air. 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:49.720 But we would also practice with drag suits on top 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:51.400 of our suits, so you would get a new suit 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:54.040 and then the old suits that would get like loosey 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:55.840 goosey because of all the douar and tear. You would 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:57.600 put them on top so they would drag on top 0:08:57.600 --> 0:08:59.320 of you. So sometimes I'd be wearing like two three 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:02.959 suits gripped hanging, and then when they would rip, it 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:05.080 would hang, so it'd be even harder to swim, and 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:07.280 then you were harry as fuck. But the hockey guys too, 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:11.120 I guess like until playoffs you you have to grow 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:14.000 a beard. That's like that's a part of it. And yeah, 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:16.800 because Kip in the episode three of Heated Rivalries like 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:19.800 all you all look like sexy lumberjacks, you know. Ah, 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:23.679 But I don't know, please write us in if I'm 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:25.160 totally misrepresenting. 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:27.800 Why the like hockey smutt in it and. 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:30.200 Of itself, but it's kind of like fairy. It's just 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:32.640 like I don't know these like genre. 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:35.480 I knew that this was hockey smut, and I knew 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:37.679 that there was like sports smut. I guess I didn't 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:40.000 realize that the hockey smut was like the main thing, 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:41.839 Like I thought there was just like, oh, I. 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:45.079 Don't know about may I guess now because off campus, 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:47.080 Red White and Blue and Heated Rivalry are all out. 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:48.640 So I didn't know Red White and Blue was about 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:50.800 hockey at all. I knew that was like a popular 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:53.200 gay it might not be. Let me look it up. 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:58.760 It sounds kind of like a president red yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:09:58.760 --> 0:09:59.719 I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I'm wrong. 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:04.559 It's just it was like a like a like a 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:09.680 movie like or something. I met screaming at their things. 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.040 What's the what's the movie where the president is single 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:17.120 and it's an American president? An American president? Yeah, I 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:21.920 feel like, yes, you well, no, I wasn't because you 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:23.719 play the movie game all the time and you're very 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:30.200 you're like an IMDb person. Okay, yeah, no, I would do. 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:32.240 People have told me to watch Red White and Royal Blue. 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:33.040 I would watch it. 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:35.560 Watch. People were like loving that. 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:36.080 Wait. 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:39.240 Question, this episode's coming out before fourth of July, but 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:42.400 we're in the time machine so it's very early. But 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:44.240 do you know what you're doing for one of July? 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:49.880 Well, Survival of the Thickest premiers July second. Oh nice, 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:50.559 so it's out. 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:57.120 So yeah, everybody watched season three three three survival. 0:10:57.200 --> 0:11:00.280 And I'm also I mean, i'll tell you about when 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:02.800 we're back. But it's being screened at the Tribeca Film 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:06.320 Festival in June, so I get to do that next week. 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:09.360 So we're in the time machine. So I'm excited for that. No, 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:11.400 I'm going to be in New York. Probably I'll go 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:13.600 to the beach Coney Island, sit, I don't know, get 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:15.640 a coffee. I'm not leaving town. 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:18.120 Let me tell you when we went to Coney Island 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:23.480 last year, July third is the day it's like not busy, 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:26.240 It's it was beautiful. It was so nice. We could 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:29.520 get on all these rides really easily, and it just 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:31.320 wasn't very busy. I feel like people were just like 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:33.320 waiting for the fourth. I guess. No, I went on 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:34.680 the fourth. I went on the fourth. 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:38.280 Oh okay, but we won prizes, we said, but but 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:42.080 we got two. We were at the beach by nine am. 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:44.920 Okay, we got there pretty early because we had the kids. 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:46.320 We got there. We wanted to go to the bar. 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:49.200 That little area that's all kid rides. And then we 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:51.559 went Me and Oscar went on a big roller coaster together. 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:54.280 He's my little coaster freak. He's going to be with me. 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:57.800 I can tell he like gets. He just sits quietly 0:11:57.840 --> 0:11:59.640 on coasters with like a big smile, and he doesn't 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:06.439 get scared at all. Fucking little weirdo. I was looking 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:10.280 at this list of movies that are coming out, and 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:13.800 I just don't know if there's anything I'm dying to 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:17.040 see this summer. You're still waiting to see, like three 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:20.600 movies to see. No, But I did a Canis Mobley. 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:24.719 Do you know her? Yeah, she had the funniest joke yesterday. 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:28.920 But it's like she was just talking about how you're 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:33.600 not supposed to come in the drain because it fucks 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:36.080 with the plumbing and like all this stuff and like 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:38.120 they just tell you too, and she's like, how dare 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:40.800 you ask people to swallow your cum when it's like 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:42.600 you can't even you're not even supposed to put it 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:45.360 in a fucking drain? And I thought that was funny. 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:49.920 Possible that comes clogging up drains. 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:55.760 I'll tell uf, I'll find it come clogging drains. Okay, 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:56.800 So I just oh. 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:59.800 My god, there's a new Minions movie coming out July first. 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:02.840 Okay, can semen clog your pipes? Or is it an 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:07.080 urban legend? Oh there's a core. I'm an Airbnb host 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:09.360 and my guest masturbates. Oh my god, this is so fun. 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:12.079 I'm gonna have the universe of trying to notice claims 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:15.560 excessive amounts. So I just found out the shower's been 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:17.600 clogged for the past week, and today I finally opened 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:20.120 the drain to find out what was wrong, and there 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:22.800 was just whitish goo. I mean, it could be shampoo. 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:24.319 But it's not semen. 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:28.720 I'm like, yeah, Someone's like, it's probably a conditioner, you weirdo. 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:34.720 Yeah, like soapscumb hair balls. I mean, like the internet 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:37.280 is saying that it's mostly made out of water semen. 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:39.440 Oh this says sorry for the nightmare fuel, but what 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:42.760 causes the clog is actually far grosser. Okay, So, can 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:44.320 come clog your pipes? 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:45.800 Okay? 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:49.959 So in twenty sixteen, Slate asked a Harvard Medical School 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:55.320 urology professor Abraham Morton Tigler to explain the semen Semen 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:57.240 only maintains its sickness for a short time. 0:13:57.320 --> 0:14:01.040 Yeah, yeah your first guy. 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:04.679 Oh wait, hold on, combine semen and water can tell 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:08.720 you the two form a horrifying rubberized texture. And while 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:11.719 it's fair to assume this would have pipe clonging capabilities, 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:17.640 fortunately this new texture is only temporary. Yeah, so I 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:20.800 guess her joke is based on them not real, but 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:22.240 I thought it was funny and I liked it. 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:26.800 I found like a ruter company that has like like 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:30.200 a guide to drain unclogging and then it says the 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:33.080 short answer is nose firm does not typically clog drains. 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:37.040 Like what why would you put that on your like ruter, 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:40.960 like your your plumbing site. Like that's hilarious, Like they're 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:45.400 very that place is very thorough. Okay, wait, I love that. 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:47.240 I just was like, wait, there's a new Minions movie 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:49.120 and you're like, back to the semen in the drains. 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:53.480 This is what makes these intros so okay. Wait, I 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:54.120 love the Minions. 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:56.280 Wait you saw what the guy Minyon that we talked 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:59.240 about this, the creator of Minions, what he said, what 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:01.400 they're like our all the Minions guys. He goes, yeah, 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:04.640 of course they're all men. Women wouldn't be the stupid. 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:08.040 Yeah, and they just follow They just follow one big Man. 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:10.600 Yeah, no, I love it. But I love the Minions. 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:12.720 I was late to them, but I really enjoy them. 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:13.440 They arcute. 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:16.120 I was early to the Minions because you know, I 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:18.280 worked for the company that made the Minions, so I 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:20.720 saw the movie and the Minions before most of the 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:23.840 rest of the world. But I didn't know that there 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:25.480 was a third one coming out. There is the live 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:25.840 act way. 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:28.240 But did you see that there's a theory that there's 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:32.560 always every generation has a popular yellow character. 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:41.320 Simpson's Onions, SpongeBob, SpongeBob Well, especially like animated. 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:45.440 Okay I found the video. Sorry, okay, so it's it's 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:49.480 pac Man's in there, tweeties in there, and Pikachu's in there. Yes, 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:53.560 SpongeBob Minions, Simpson bart Well. 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:56.520 I mean like and I'm like, when you're looking at 0:15:56.560 --> 0:16:03.040 the emojis, like yellow is like kind of the universal person, right, 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:06.480 Like you could pick white people emojis, or black people 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:09.000 emojis or brown, but like yellow is kind of just 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:12.160 like it's more universal. It's like not like a race. 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:14.840 Well, because there is a theory, someone talks about it. 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:17.280 I think with a Nicole Buyer that like are the 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:19.960 Simpsons black because all their hair texture looks kind of black. 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:22.120 Oh yes, yes, yes, I think I saw that. 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:25.760 But then like doctor Hibber and there are other black characters, 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:27.600 so I do wonder, I do wonder. 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:32.640 Yeah, but yeah, Nicole just had a stare parrel on 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:34.840 her podcast and I was like, I can't believe you 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:37.840 had a stare parrel and she goes, truly everybody is 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:41.440 so gagged, and I knew nothing about her. I was like, wow, 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:44.360 like I would listen to that woman read the phone. 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:46.840 Book My episode's coming out soon with Nicole. I taped 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:49.600 it the same day as Rachel reads, So I wonder 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:50.720 when mine's gonna come out. 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:55.200 Oh, but I'm run into each other? No, say no, 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:57.160 did I not tell you this? No. 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:00.840 I get to the studio immediately I noticed a heated 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:02.720 rivalry book on the desk, and then I go and 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:04.280 then I turned to the right and there's like a 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:06.800 little sticker thing and it says to Nicole from Rachel 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:09.280 read in her handwriting. I go, what the fuck is 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:11.680 going on here? And they're like, Rachel left like maybe 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:16.080 five minutes ago. Oh no, And so I DMed Rachel 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:17.600 a photo of me and Nicole and I was like, 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:19.840 are you fucking kidding me? And she wrote like no, 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:22.399 with a bunch of exclamation points, So I was happy 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:23.119 about that. 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:25.080 My god, I forgot you guys are buddies. 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:28.560 Well I don't know about that, but she you know, 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:30.880 we've DMed, we've DMed. 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:35.560 I'd say your Twitter friends as we recently, we're Twitter friends. 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:38.439 We're in the friends for sure. I think if I'm 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:40.520 ever in Nova Scotia to like hit her up. 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:43.720 Yeah, but I saw a. 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:45.879 Really cute drawing of her in the whole cast and 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:47.280 I was going to DM it to her, but then 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:49.639 she reposted it, so she already saw it. So I 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:50.119 was just glad. 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:53.880 I don't want to bother her too much, you know, Yeah? Yeah, yeah. 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:59.720 Don't we need her writing her book. 0:17:57.320 --> 0:17:59.240 To get back to work, bitch. You don't want her 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:01.880 to turn into a George R. R. Martin or whatever. Yeah, 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:03.440 stop whenever a final book. 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:06.400 Stop with the events and the parties and the speaking engagements, 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:06.920 and get to. 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:12.600 Work, get horny and get some shit down on paper. 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:15.280 No, but I'm actually so grateful for her Q and 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:20.040 a's because like she's just because someone asks her, is 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:22.520 it hard to write right now? Like do you think 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:24.520 of the two actors, like is it hard and knowing 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:27.520 they're gonna act it out and the yadayada. But she's like, no, 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:29.840 these characters have been with me longer than these guys, 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:35.320 Like I don't really think about it. Yeah, she's incredible, 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:36.200 She's so cool. 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:42.480 Should we start? Yeah, all right, let's let's get started. 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:45.960 We've got a great episode today as always, guys. That's 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:47.960 messed Up Live dot com is where you can get 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:52.640 the Louise Lewis Lewis Louis Lewis shirt of your Dreams, 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:56.000 as well as some other merch that I believe is 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:57.960 like on sale, some of our older stuff. And I'm 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:01.719 gonna be in pe Town baby. Oh yeah. Check out 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:04.640 Lisa and Pete Town. You can at that same website. 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:06.960 You can get to Lisa's website, I can with all 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:12.760 her tour dates. 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I don't know why, no Benson causually having sex. 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:10.439 We wish. I mean, we open on casual Saturday, Benson 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:12.639 with Noah, you know, walking through the city. It's a 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:14.640 sunny ass day. He's like, can I get ice cream? 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:17.359 And she's like before dinner. He's like please, And then 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:20.560 someone calls out Olivia's name and it's her long lost brother, 0:20:20.680 --> 0:20:24.040 Simon Marsden, who we all remember she tracked down in 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:28.360 season eight. He was in the episodes Philadelphia, Florida and Screwed, 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:34.000 and then he was back in season thirteen Child's Welfare 0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:35.679 where he was like asking live to help with his 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:39.080 family issue, and now here he is again in season 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:43.440 twenty one, and he and Noah introduced each other themselves 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:46.600 to each other, and Benson tells Noah go get some 0:20:46.640 --> 0:20:48.840 ice cream. Run along. She says run along, which I 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:50.919 think is like so funny, it's like from a book. 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:55.080 And Noah's like Simon's like, who's Noah And she's like, 0:20:55.320 --> 0:20:57.280 Noah's my son. And he's like, I have a nephew 0:20:57.280 --> 0:20:59.359 and you didn't tell me and she's like uh and 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:01.560 he's basically like, yeah, that's on me. 0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:02.280 I know. 0:21:02.320 --> 0:21:05.000 I haven't been in touch in like seven seasons. And 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:08.000 she's like, what are you doing here, Like I haven't 0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:09.439 heard from you. And he's like, well, I move back 0:21:09.480 --> 0:21:12.760 to New Jersey. I'm working at Carpet King And she's like, 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:17.920 what about your family And he's like, well, I don't 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:20.200 know how they're doing. My ex like took the kids 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:22.880 and I haven't seen them since I last saw you, 0:21:23.160 --> 0:21:24.880 so seven seasons. 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:28.840 And he said, wasn't he like cleared of the cron 0:21:29.040 --> 0:21:33.639 Like what happened? What am I missing? Should I have 0:21:33.680 --> 0:21:38.399 done a deep dive, like I don't remember, like I 0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:42.080 remember there was issues with his the kids and she 0:21:42.240 --> 0:21:44.879 hired Andre Bauer for them. 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:47.040 Maybe it doesn't have to do that. 0:21:48.920 --> 0:21:51.159 Other one where like he's accused of a crime but 0:21:51.480 --> 0:21:52.639 he was getting framed. 0:21:53.080 --> 0:21:54.879 Yes, but I think it has to do with the 0:21:54.920 --> 0:21:57.679 fact that he starts using drugs. That's probably why the 0:21:57.680 --> 0:21:59.520 wife left. I don't know, but that was that's a 0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:02.960 good question. But I feel like it's probably because those 0:22:03.640 --> 0:22:06.640 he started doing drugs, because then he's like, I thought 0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:08.480 about asking you to help me track them down, but 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:11.480 I always end up making more trouble for you. And 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:12.920 he's like, let me make it up to you. Can 0:22:12.920 --> 0:22:15.080 I take you and know what a lunch and lives 0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:17.800 like I do not want to do lunch and he's begging. 0:22:17.840 --> 0:22:19.320 He's like, come on, please don't say no. I've been 0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:22.200 clean for five years. And he like shows his arms 0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:25.000 to her. So I'm like assuming he was like doing 0:22:25.040 --> 0:22:28.640 heroin or something, or maybe it's to show that he's 0:22:28.640 --> 0:22:32.000 not shaking. I don't know, but like he's like, you're 0:22:32.040 --> 0:22:34.760 my only family. Please, like Wednesday, it's my day off. 0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:36.760 You pick the place, you pick the time, anywhere you 0:22:36.800 --> 0:22:39.959 want to go, I'll show up. And she gives it. 0:22:40.000 --> 0:22:42.000 You know, he's your only family in the entire world. 0:22:42.240 --> 0:22:45.439 And she didn't even know he existed until, you know, 0:22:45.720 --> 0:22:46.520 thirteen years ago. 0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:48.920 And at least he's self aware that he's caused a 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:50.360 lot of problems for her. 0:22:50.680 --> 0:22:54.000 Yes, Yes, And then we cut to a hospital where 0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:56.959 a cutie young girl is like tucking this elderly patient 0:22:56.960 --> 0:23:01.240 into her bed and telling her how Bronx has eight 0:23:01.520 --> 0:23:03.919 graduates who have won Nobel Prizes and she's gonna be 0:23:03.920 --> 0:23:06.560 the ninth. And my cousin did go to Bronx Science. 0:23:06.600 --> 0:23:09.280 It's a very good school. And she's like, I don't 0:23:09.320 --> 0:23:10.959 think he's gonna win a Nobel prize. Sorry if you're 0:23:11.000 --> 0:23:15.639 listening bash, but he's very smart. And her name is 0:23:15.760 --> 0:23:18.920 Loope this girl, and now Loope is on the streets 0:23:18.960 --> 0:23:22.119 and she's walking, she's eating an ice cream and she's 0:23:22.320 --> 0:23:25.440 unbothered and living her best life, listening to some generic 0:23:25.520 --> 0:23:28.840 pop tune about girls ruling the world. That's like me 0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:32.680 and my girls are in charge or whatever. And these 0:23:32.720 --> 0:23:36.080 guys like cat call her and she's like dream on. 0:23:36.080 --> 0:23:38.720 One of the guys goes, she's a HERB but smart. 0:23:38.720 --> 0:23:43.400 It's hot too, and I fully had to google HERB 0:23:43.440 --> 0:23:45.440 even though in contacts I could tell it's like a dork. 0:23:46.440 --> 0:23:49.040 But it's kind of funny that the guy goes, yeah, 0:23:49.040 --> 0:23:50.920 she's a dork, but I guess being smart is also 0:23:50.960 --> 0:23:55.280 hot progressive. And so she's now walking up the stairs 0:23:55.280 --> 0:23:59.080 to her apartment building it's not good. We're the cute 0:23:59.119 --> 0:24:02.639 pop star girlly moment is over, like it feels dark, 0:24:03.040 --> 0:24:05.080 the music is changing, and we feel like someone is 0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:09.480 following her. We keep hearing door slam and she lives 0:24:09.480 --> 0:24:11.280 in the projects, as I should mention as well, like 0:24:11.320 --> 0:24:14.239 she's going through a bunch of dark stairwells, different you know. 0:24:14.680 --> 0:24:16.600 And then her ice cream cone drops on the ground 0:24:16.720 --> 0:24:19.760 as someone grabs her, puts a hand over her mouth, 0:24:19.800 --> 0:24:22.880 and then the purp wraps her headphone cord around her 0:24:22.920 --> 0:24:25.280 neck and we hear her like crying, and then we 0:24:25.320 --> 0:24:29.120 cut to the credits. So at the crime scene, Rollins arrives, 0:24:29.160 --> 0:24:32.240 the crowd is heckling her. They're like five oh is 0:24:32.240 --> 0:24:34.679 always five oho minutes late. And then they're like no 0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:37.280 city cameras to protect our girls, but plenty of mugshots 0:24:37.280 --> 0:24:40.240 for our boys and Finns like we're svu, ma'am, like 0:24:40.280 --> 0:24:42.679 we're literally the only people that help people like leave 0:24:42.760 --> 0:24:46.920 us alone, And then inside Loope is getting rolled past 0:24:46.960 --> 0:24:49.440 them in a stretcher. Cat Tamina is on the scene. 0:24:49.640 --> 0:24:52.360 Her name is Lupe Perez. She's fourteen. She was assaulted 0:24:52.400 --> 0:24:56.000 in the stairwell. She's in shock. She didn't even want 0:24:56.000 --> 0:25:00.280 to leave her sister upstairs alone. So her mom is 0:25:00.359 --> 0:25:03.359 working late at a late shift at a donut place, 0:25:03.480 --> 0:25:06.640 and the cameras are all busted as usual, and Finn 0:25:06.680 --> 0:25:08.960 is surprised to find out that Kat is a former 0:25:09.000 --> 0:25:11.760 Projects kid, and she goes, yeah, go honest, and she 0:25:11.800 --> 0:25:14.400 goes and there's no such thing as a former Projects kid. 0:25:14.680 --> 0:25:17.560 So that's kind of a fun thing about Kat. I 0:25:17.560 --> 0:25:20.879 didn't know, not like fun, but an interesting part of 0:25:20.920 --> 0:25:22.440 her background that I don't remember. 0:25:22.840 --> 0:25:26.240 I wish everyone knows my thoughts. She should have gotten 0:25:26.240 --> 0:25:27.240 another she should. 0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:31.399 Have gotten on more chances. Finn tells Kat to ride 0:25:31.440 --> 0:25:35.840 with Loope to CAAC because they've kind of developed a rapport, 0:25:35.960 --> 0:25:38.879 and that's the Child Advocacy Center. So now we're there 0:25:39.280 --> 0:25:43.000 and Lupe is telling Kat like, yeah, the exam hurt 0:25:43.040 --> 0:25:46.320 and live is like watching through the glass when Caresie 0:25:46.400 --> 0:25:49.159 arrives and lives downloading him Like we got nothing on 0:25:49.200 --> 0:25:51.560 the rape kit, no fluids, no hairs. I mean I 0:25:51.640 --> 0:25:54.760 said this in a recent episode. I don't understand how 0:25:54.800 --> 0:25:59.640 these degenerates are not leaving any evidence, Like I really 0:25:59.640 --> 0:26:03.679 don't stand like how they're getting that all to happen, 0:26:03.800 --> 0:26:07.240 but live like it's one thing to be dexter, you 0:26:07.240 --> 0:26:08.639 know what I mean, It's one thing to have a 0:26:08.720 --> 0:26:11.359 kill area set up, and like you know how to 0:26:11.640 --> 0:26:13.840 or you work in forensics, you know how to cover 0:26:13.960 --> 0:26:17.000 these guys. I just don't believe it. But anyway, lives 0:26:17.040 --> 0:26:20.480 giving Kat a chance to take the lead on this 0:26:21.440 --> 0:26:25.680 like interrogation or not interrogation questioning of Loupe. Lupe's describing 0:26:25.760 --> 0:26:28.400 like I was trying to scratch him for DNA. She's 0:26:28.440 --> 0:26:31.199 obviously watched us for you before. But she goes, he 0:26:31.240 --> 0:26:33.760 had me choked with my headphone cord. She's like, I 0:26:33.760 --> 0:26:37.240 remember his hands smelled bad, like a woody smell, and 0:26:37.320 --> 0:26:40.840 she was like, like a pencil sharpener smell. And she goes, well, 0:26:40.840 --> 0:26:44.000 did he say anything? And Lupe said, he said, okay, Chikita, 0:26:44.160 --> 0:26:47.560 do it nice for Poppy. And Lupe was like, you know, 0:26:47.640 --> 0:26:50.760 my real dad died, My real Poppy died. And he 0:26:50.800 --> 0:26:52.880 said if I didn't do it, he would go upstairs 0:26:52.880 --> 0:26:56.080 to my little sister Giselle. And so now we know 0:26:56.200 --> 0:26:59.560 this guy knows this family somehow, right, And she says, 0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:02.240 then he pulled down my pants and she's like, please, 0:27:02.280 --> 0:27:04.400 don't tell anyone. I don't want anyone to know. She's 0:27:04.440 --> 0:27:08.960 like immediately like feeling this shame. So it's really sad. 0:27:09.440 --> 0:27:12.520 And then Benson and Rollins are now talking to Lupe's 0:27:12.560 --> 0:27:15.119 mom and she was like, I was working. My husband 0:27:15.119 --> 0:27:17.680 died two years ago from that nine to eleven cancer. 0:27:18.119 --> 0:27:20.879 And she starts crying, blaming herself. It's like her second job. 0:27:21.400 --> 0:27:23.719 And they were like, they're like, it's not your fault, 0:27:23.720 --> 0:27:26.119 like we think he knew her. And is there anyone, 0:27:26.160 --> 0:27:28.880 like a neighbor or a teacher that you've seen paying 0:27:28.920 --> 0:27:31.800 too much attention? But the mom says no, Like she's 0:27:31.840 --> 0:27:33.720 a RG she's always at the library, in the lab 0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:35.000 or she's babysitting her sister. 0:27:35.160 --> 0:27:37.000 Everyone's just roasting this girl. 0:27:37.200 --> 0:27:39.280 Yeah, but she's look, she's got her eye on the 0:27:39.359 --> 0:27:44.600 Nobel prize. And then at the precinct, the gang is brainstorming. 0:27:44.760 --> 0:27:47.240 They're like, well, we cleared all the registered sex offenders. 0:27:47.359 --> 0:27:49.600 That was quick. They found all the registered sex offenders 0:27:49.640 --> 0:27:53.919 and they were all busy, no witnesses. Kat says that 0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:56.520 Loop said the guy smelled like wood callous hands, maybe 0:27:56.520 --> 0:27:59.280 like a worker at the projects. Suddenly Rollins gets a 0:27:59.359 --> 0:28:03.520 hit on the touch DNA from Loupe's headphones and done, done, 0:28:03.920 --> 0:28:08.080 they match a double homicide rape in the wave View 0:28:08.240 --> 0:28:12.200 projects in far Rockaway from two thousand and three. So 0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:14.119 now Live is breaking it down. She goes, this is 0:28:14.160 --> 0:28:16.600 a closed rape and double murder from sixteen years ago. 0:28:16.720 --> 0:28:21.359 So was the DNA tested by mistake? And they said, 0:28:22.359 --> 0:28:25.080 that's what's confusing to me, Like why was the DNA 0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:29.960 not tested originally? Because the touch DNA that was found 0:28:30.000 --> 0:28:33.640 on Loope's headphones was found under the fingernails of both 0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:37.000 victims in the two thousand and three case, and that 0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:39.040 was a mom who was strangled to death and her 0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:42.080 daughter was sexually assaulted and then strangled to death. So 0:28:42.160 --> 0:28:44.200 two kids were collared for this, a fifteen year old 0:28:44.200 --> 0:28:48.000 who turned States on Carlos Hernandez, who was eighteen and 0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:51.320 was the son and brother of the victims. But neither 0:28:51.360 --> 0:28:54.040 of their DNA matches what they found on Loope, So 0:28:54.160 --> 0:28:57.280 there was a third accomplice who was never caught, Like, 0:28:57.320 --> 0:28:59.920 I don't understand why they wouldn't have kept looking for 0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:03.080 that person. Carlos is serving twenty five to life in 0:29:03.120 --> 0:29:06.840 green Haven and Finn's like dude with a bid that long. 0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:09.040 I don't know if this guy hasn't talked already, he's 0:29:09.080 --> 0:29:11.800 not going to talk now, and about like a third 0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:14.680 accomplice essentially, and lives like, well, maybe he'll think he 0:29:14.720 --> 0:29:17.440 can cut a deal if he sees a DA. And 0:29:17.480 --> 0:29:20.760 the other guy, Ricardo, who goes by Ricky, he got 0:29:20.760 --> 0:29:23.160 out a year ago and he's back in the Far 0:29:23.280 --> 0:29:27.520 Rockaway Projects and his PO is on vacation. So Rollins 0:29:27.560 --> 0:29:33.240 is like, so this guy's doing life for murdering his mom, 0:29:33.920 --> 0:29:36.640 raping and murdering his sister. And there was a third 0:29:36.680 --> 0:29:39.440 set of DNA on the victims, and Finn's like, yeah, 0:29:39.480 --> 0:29:43.560 why check DNA when you have confessions and Kat goes, yeah, 0:29:43.600 --> 0:29:45.720 it's the projects. They were murdered at a bad address, 0:29:46.400 --> 0:29:51.560 and that's it's Chinatown, Jake, you know that's Kat's naming 0:29:51.560 --> 0:29:55.040 the episode. So drink, I guess unless you're driving. Finn 0:29:55.040 --> 0:29:58.000 and Careesi are at green Haven talking to Carlos Hernandez, 0:29:58.200 --> 0:30:02.719 who is played by Guiermo Dia. That's my favorite and 0:30:02.760 --> 0:30:04.600 we love him and I love him and everything. 0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:08.440 Favorite guy. He's so talented and he's so hot and 0:30:08.440 --> 0:30:09.760 he's so cool and. 0:30:09.680 --> 0:30:13.360 He's also I'm realizing I really thought I looked this 0:30:13.440 --> 0:30:15.040 up last night, and maybe I didn't. 0:30:15.280 --> 0:30:20.959 He was an o OC eight episodes or three teams. 0:30:20.960 --> 0:30:24.520 He was in OC, but he was in another episode 0:30:25.000 --> 0:30:30.080 of SVU called Justice Denied from season thirteen, which is 0:30:30.120 --> 0:30:33.880 a Bayard Ellis episode that is also about being wrongly convicted. 0:30:34.160 --> 0:30:36.920 Sorry to like ruin it now, but I think we're 0:30:36.920 --> 0:30:40.480 going to find out. So Omar Pana is in the 0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:45.360 Navy and they got him to confess. Benson got him 0:30:45.400 --> 0:30:50.480 to confess, but he's been claiming his innocence ever since 0:30:50.520 --> 0:30:53.320 then and said the confession was made under duress. So 0:30:54.640 --> 0:31:00.080 that's what happens. But okay, so back to this episode. 0:31:00.520 --> 0:31:03.400 We love Gierramo Diaz, so he's Carlos Hernandez and they're like, 0:31:03.440 --> 0:31:05.160 come on, Carlos, we know there was a third guy 0:31:05.200 --> 0:31:07.080 with you. And he goes, oh, okay, so you know 0:31:07.120 --> 0:31:09.160 who did it? And he goes because it wasn't me 0:31:09.200 --> 0:31:11.240 and Ricky. I could never hurt my mom and sister. 0:31:11.680 --> 0:31:13.640 And he says that night he and Ricky were just 0:31:13.720 --> 0:31:16.480 hanging and they go, well, why'd you confess then, and 0:31:16.520 --> 0:31:18.800 he goes, well, they told Ricky he'd cut a deal. 0:31:18.840 --> 0:31:21.360 And be out in fifteen. And they told Carlos if 0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:25.320 he didn't confess, he'd get the death penalty. So they're saying, 0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:28.040 give up your accomplice to him and we'll cut a 0:31:28.080 --> 0:31:30.480 deal with you. And he's like, what accomplice. I wasn't 0:31:30.520 --> 0:31:33.240 even there when it happened. I swear to god. I 0:31:33.280 --> 0:31:35.120 came home and I saw my mom and my sister 0:31:35.200 --> 0:31:38.680 dead and CARIESI asks him where him and Ricky were 0:31:38.680 --> 0:31:40.720 hanging out the night and he looks at the CEO 0:31:40.880 --> 0:31:43.240 in the room and then turns back and he goes, 0:31:43.280 --> 0:31:46.360 I can't say, and Finn's like, this guy's lying, but 0:31:46.440 --> 0:31:48.640 Carlo's like, I'm not, and then he goes, look at 0:31:48.680 --> 0:31:51.640 this letter Ricky wrote me he's and he shows them 0:31:51.680 --> 0:31:54.480 this handwritten letter from Ricky that like apologizes for getting 0:31:54.520 --> 0:31:56.520 him put away, and he goes, you know, we weren't 0:31:56.560 --> 0:31:58.880 angels back then, but I love my mom. I would 0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:01.200 never have done that to her. And Finn's like, well, 0:32:01.200 --> 0:32:03.800 cough up an Alibia, We're done here, and Carlos goes, 0:32:03.880 --> 0:32:06.959 thank you for your visit and leaves. So something is 0:32:07.160 --> 0:32:10.040 not adding up here. Rollins and Tammine roll up on 0:32:10.080 --> 0:32:12.600 this woman named Savannah Baker, and she looks like her 0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:15.680 name is Savannah. She's an older woman with a Southern accent, 0:32:15.720 --> 0:32:18.240 and she's like, the kids call me Mom's Baker. And 0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:21.680 they're asking if she knows where Ricky is, and she's 0:32:21.720 --> 0:32:24.760 defending the two boys, saying Carlos wouldn't hurt a june bug, 0:32:25.000 --> 0:32:27.440 and if Ricky threw himself on the floor, he'd miss 0:32:27.840 --> 0:32:30.800 and he goes, where I come from, this is called railroading, 0:32:30.880 --> 0:32:33.840 and then he goes. She goes, right, honey, to Rollins, 0:32:34.040 --> 0:32:35.840 because she could just tell Rollins this is a Southern 0:32:35.840 --> 0:32:39.440 girl right away, and she says the detective and the 0:32:39.480 --> 0:32:42.280 prosecutor had the wrong boys, but they didn't care. And 0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:44.400 she said Ricky came out of jail a year ago 0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:47.720 with not with the bug and they're like, oh HIV 0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:51.280 and she's like, no, full blown aids. I told he 0:32:51.400 --> 0:32:54.880 told moms that he had lied on Carlos and then 0:32:55.240 --> 0:32:58.480 sadly he passed away last week. She goes, you know 0:32:58.520 --> 0:33:01.400 who's responsible for Ricky's death? Detective who brought these guys in? 0:33:01.400 --> 0:33:03.720 Why don't you talk to his ass? So now we're 0:33:03.760 --> 0:33:09.240 at Detective Monty's place and this guy lives obviously in 0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:12.000 Staten Island, and he's just like a lug nut of 0:33:12.040 --> 0:33:14.240 a man. He looks like he's choking down a piece 0:33:14.240 --> 0:33:16.120 of meat while he's trying to talk to Rolinson to 0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:19.719 me and they're like, so you're retiring down to Florida 0:33:19.720 --> 0:33:21.560 and he's like, yeah, I spent my whole life colloring 0:33:21.640 --> 0:33:23.960 low LIFs like Ricky and Carloston. I don't want to 0:33:24.000 --> 0:33:28.040 die in the snow. And then then they cut out 0:33:28.080 --> 0:33:30.880 to show his above ground pool, you know, feels like 0:33:30.920 --> 0:33:35.160 a dig and then he asks Cariesy Carisi, you related 0:33:35.200 --> 0:33:38.800 to Tony Nooe's Carisi up in Tote Hill, and Carisy goes, 0:33:39.400 --> 0:33:42.120 I don't know. My mom says all Caris's are related anyway, 0:33:42.280 --> 0:33:44.880 and the guy is like gross, He's like he's saying 0:33:44.960 --> 0:33:47.200 all this shit. He goes, I saw the scene and 0:33:47.240 --> 0:33:50.960 I knew it had to be Banjos or Bongos racist. 0:33:51.640 --> 0:33:54.320 He said the vics were prs. I don't know if 0:33:54.320 --> 0:33:58.080 that's Puerto Ricans. The mother was a crack pouton. The 0:33:58.200 --> 0:34:01.200 daughter was thirteen but built like she was twenty three. 0:34:01.280 --> 0:34:05.960 So he's also a pervert. And he goes, Carlos was 0:34:06.000 --> 0:34:09.000 a big dopey, strewns horny as a bag of cats, 0:34:09.080 --> 0:34:12.799 and Rowins is like, really for his own sister, and 0:34:12.960 --> 0:34:15.600 he goes, yeah, Ricky flipped in like an hour, we 0:34:15.680 --> 0:34:18.280 cleared it. Why do you too care? And they explained 0:34:18.320 --> 0:34:21.880 the DNA hit like on the Loope case, and he 0:34:21.960 --> 0:34:24.600 goes and this dumb fuck says, well, I know it 0:34:24.640 --> 0:34:26.960 wasn't their first time. There were like three or four 0:34:27.040 --> 0:34:30.720 rapes of teenage girls at other projects. So he doesn't 0:34:31.000 --> 0:34:32.920 address the fact that he never looked into this other 0:34:32.920 --> 0:34:36.520 set of fingerprints. He just says, I knew it was 0:34:36.560 --> 0:34:39.359 these guys. There were other rapes around. They confess that's it. 0:34:39.920 --> 0:34:42.680 So back at the precincts, Cat is digging into some 0:34:42.880 --> 0:34:47.160 Canoli's that Careesi brought from Staten Island, and Yum Caresy 0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:50.319 thinks these confessions were coerced. We're not looking for a 0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:52.719 third guy. We're looking for the guy who got away 0:34:52.719 --> 0:34:54.719 with it, and maybe this guy's a serial who's been 0:34:54.719 --> 0:34:57.279 at it for sixteen years. They're gonna cross reference the 0:34:57.320 --> 0:34:59.480 maintenance workers at Loupe's building to see if any of 0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:02.080 them worked out wave View sixteen years ago. So a 0:35:02.120 --> 0:35:05.640 little later they're reviewing the info, and they found twelve 0:35:05.680 --> 0:35:10.760 housing project rapes around the time of these two thousand 0:35:10.800 --> 0:35:12.759 and three murders, and the vics were like twelve or 0:35:12.800 --> 0:35:16.440 thirteen same memo, strangled with the cord, nobody saw his face. 0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:20.839 So they also found eighteen guys that worked at both 0:35:20.880 --> 0:35:23.200 places that were workers, but ten of them can be 0:35:23.280 --> 0:35:25.880 ruled out because they're either black, dead, or disabled, and 0:35:25.960 --> 0:35:28.000 like none of the girls all described them as being 0:35:28.040 --> 0:35:31.000 white or Hispanic, so they could rule out some of them. 0:35:31.120 --> 0:35:33.440 So we need warrants for the remaining eight guys who 0:35:33.520 --> 0:35:36.360 worked at both projects and fit the timeline, and Chrisey's like, 0:35:36.520 --> 0:35:38.600 wanta you ask for nine? Why not make it a 0:35:38.600 --> 0:35:41.759 full baseball team? And then they're like He's like, you 0:35:41.760 --> 0:35:43.360 got a narrow it down. A judge's never going to 0:35:43.360 --> 0:35:45.520 sign off on this for me. And then Live leaves 0:35:45.640 --> 0:35:48.560 Rollins to like run down these eight dudes, and she's like, 0:35:48.600 --> 0:35:50.279 I got to run to lunch with my brother and 0:35:50.360 --> 0:35:54.160 Rollins is like, what's he want? And she's like to 0:35:54.200 --> 0:35:56.919 get to know Noah and he goes and Rollins goes 0:35:57.040 --> 0:35:59.799 you believe him, Like she's giving Benson a little bit 0:35:59.800 --> 0:36:03.239 of s and Benson goes, I do, and she walks out, 0:36:03.680 --> 0:36:05.560 and now we're at the Jacob Lawrence Houses, which is 0:36:05.560 --> 0:36:07.879 where Loope lives, and Finn goes to question this guy 0:36:07.960 --> 0:36:12.520 Tim Stanton, who is played by Happy Anderson and Like. 0:36:12.600 --> 0:36:14.799 He's in another episode of as View called Hardwired, and 0:36:14.880 --> 0:36:20.480 has also played Jerry Brudos in two separate projects, including 0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:23.960 Mine Hunter. One of my favorites whoa Jerry Brudos is 0:36:24.000 --> 0:36:28.319 the lust Killer, the shoe fetish slayer. Jerry Brudos is 0:36:28.360 --> 0:36:31.040 also someone who's crime we covered in the season four 0:36:31.040 --> 0:36:33.640 episode Tortured. It's episode one hundred and fifty three of 0:36:33.680 --> 0:36:37.120 our podcast in case you're wanting to revisit. But that's 0:36:37.160 --> 0:36:39.319 kind of interesting that this guy like keeps playing this 0:36:39.760 --> 0:36:42.480 like you know, he's like a redhead. He keeps playing 0:36:42.480 --> 0:36:45.840 this killer. So they want to talk to him, but 0:36:45.880 --> 0:36:48.360 he's like, I'm really busy, and he's like, what do 0:36:48.360 --> 0:36:50.439 you want. There's all kinds of sketchy people around here, 0:36:50.760 --> 0:36:52.920 and I don't really have a head for faces, and 0:36:53.000 --> 0:36:55.040 Rollins is like, that's cool. Why do not just give 0:36:55.080 --> 0:36:56.920 us your DNA and we can exclude you And he's like, 0:36:57.080 --> 0:36:59.960 my DNA in the system that ain't happening. Who know 0:37:00.000 --> 0:37:01.440 that is what the government's going to do with that. 0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:03.440 He's like, I feel sorry for the girl, but I 0:37:03.520 --> 0:37:07.440 got places to be so Rob Rollin's is about to 0:37:07.440 --> 0:37:10.719 call Careesi because this is the first dude to refuse, 0:37:11.200 --> 0:37:15.080 but then eagle eye Finn spots I guess a cigarette, 0:37:15.080 --> 0:37:16.840 but I couldn't make out what it was, but he 0:37:16.880 --> 0:37:18.680 picks up something out of the ground and grabs it 0:37:18.680 --> 0:37:21.040 with a cloth and he's like, don't even worry about it, 0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:23.960 Like we got him. So Live is at lunch with 0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:27.320 Noah waiting on Simon, telling Rollins okay, like put a 0:37:27.400 --> 0:37:30.600 rush on it, and Simon isn't there yet. Noah's impatient. 0:37:30.680 --> 0:37:32.200 He doesn't want to miss dance class. 0:37:33.600 --> 0:37:37.880 On Noah's side, sorry he should't have to miss dance class. 0:37:37.560 --> 0:37:40.200 But like, just get a BLT before dance class. Everybody 0:37:40.239 --> 0:37:42.919 calmed down, you know, like what I ordered? 0:37:43.640 --> 0:37:43.879 Order? 0:37:44.200 --> 0:37:46.040 Yeah, Like you have a kid with you, nobody cares 0:37:46.040 --> 0:37:49.680 if you order. So Benson's like shaking her head and 0:37:50.480 --> 0:37:53.680 she's like telling the waitress, can you look out for him? 0:37:53.760 --> 0:37:56.319 Check one more time if he's in the restaurant. My brother, 0:37:56.360 --> 0:37:58.600 who looks kind of like twenty thousand other people in 0:37:58.600 --> 0:38:01.880 New York City, and then she calls Simon and she 0:38:01.960 --> 0:38:05.120 leaves him for Benson. I would say a scathing voicemail, going, 0:38:05.160 --> 0:38:08.440 I knew this was a bad idea. Don't call me back. Actually, 0:38:08.800 --> 0:38:09.840 just don't ever call me. 0:38:10.239 --> 0:38:12.319 And yeah, I. 0:38:12.320 --> 0:38:15.279 Was like, just gotta belt before dance class. But then 0:38:15.360 --> 0:38:17.560 that's the end of act one. So then the next morning, 0:38:18.040 --> 0:38:20.920 Tamen confirms that Stanton's ID is a match for Loupe's 0:38:21.000 --> 0:38:22.799 case and the case of the two other girls. So 0:38:22.880 --> 0:38:28.000 now fu once again, once again an amazing actor. You know, 0:38:28.160 --> 0:38:30.240 like this guy didn't even flinch when they were acting 0:38:30.280 --> 0:38:32.120 about these crimes, right, He's like. 0:38:32.239 --> 0:38:34.680 No, I loved the line read because it was also 0:38:34.800 --> 0:38:39.040 really casual. I feel like sometimes when people reject DNA 0:38:39.160 --> 0:38:42.279 tests and stuff their aggressive or like he really was. 0:38:42.239 --> 0:38:46.000 Like, yeah, I don't know, I don't in the system. 0:38:46.600 --> 0:38:53.480 Like the line read was so casual and I appreciated it. 0:38:53.800 --> 0:38:57.719 Yeah. Yeah, he's definitely kind of like not giving guilty, 0:38:57.960 --> 0:38:59.839 except for the fact that he refused the DNA, which 0:38:59.840 --> 0:39:02.160 is like, honestly, something Munch would do. You know, Munch 0:39:02.239 --> 0:39:04.680 is like, I'm not getting my benning these days. Everyone 0:39:04.680 --> 0:39:09.400 would Yes, yes, So now everyone is fired up to 0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:12.600 get this guy. But Benson's like, hold up, touch DNA 0:39:12.640 --> 0:39:15.040 on the headphones isn't super strong? Why don't we see 0:39:15.040 --> 0:39:17.719 if Lupe can I d this guy. They're gonna try 0:39:17.719 --> 0:39:20.120 to get Stanton into a lineup again, like why would 0:39:20.120 --> 0:39:23.279 he do that? He's so busy, he's got places to be. 0:39:24.200 --> 0:39:26.759 And they're gonna say, that's like another thing he did 0:39:26.800 --> 0:39:29.680 really well where it's like he was busy working, but 0:39:29.800 --> 0:39:33.560 he wasn't like rushing. It was like a slow demeanor. 0:39:33.680 --> 0:39:37.680 I guess that's what it is, that like help, the casualness, but. 0:39:37.560 --> 0:39:39.600 He wasn't doing that thing like in the sketch that 0:39:39.640 --> 0:39:42.120 they did where it was like people like moving boxes 0:39:42.239 --> 0:39:45.160 like aggressively while they're talking to detectives. 0:39:45.480 --> 0:39:51.120 But also this part of the episode is ridiculous, Oh well, 0:39:51.160 --> 0:39:52.880 just say he needed a help. Why not? It's like, 0:39:52.920 --> 0:39:56.319 why would they pick any other officer in this bustling building, 0:39:56.440 --> 0:39:58.040 Like what the fuck are you talking about? 0:39:58.360 --> 0:40:01.160 They're like, we're gonna say that we need his help 0:40:01.360 --> 0:40:03.479 nailing the guy that we think we got the guy, 0:40:04.280 --> 0:40:08.759 And I guess maybe they sometimes depend on some of 0:40:08.760 --> 0:40:12.320 these serial guys, like serial rapist serial murderers are always 0:40:12.400 --> 0:40:15.080 kind of cocky about wanting to be close to the 0:40:15.120 --> 0:40:20.040 investigation but not get caught. So maybe like them saying, hey, 0:40:20.800 --> 0:40:22.840 we're gonna come in for a lineup. We want you 0:40:22.880 --> 0:40:24.520 to come in for a lineup, but it's to exclude 0:40:24.560 --> 0:40:27.040 someone else we think we got the guy was like 0:40:27.080 --> 0:40:29.000 a perfect thing for him to be like, Okay, I'll 0:40:29.000 --> 0:40:32.239 get closer to this, but like, I'm safe, right. I 0:40:32.239 --> 0:40:33.879 don't know. I don't know what they're thinking. I don't 0:40:33.880 --> 0:40:35.399 know why in the world the guy would say yes, 0:40:35.480 --> 0:40:37.960 But yeah, they're like, well he thinks the cops. I 0:40:37.960 --> 0:40:41.399 think that's a totally good Yeah, they say, he thinks 0:40:41.400 --> 0:40:43.359 the cops always fuck up, so maybe he'll go for this. 0:40:43.440 --> 0:40:46.360 So then in Benson's offense, she tells Rollins, you know, 0:40:46.400 --> 0:40:49.040 we could also have Loope do a voice id, and 0:40:49.080 --> 0:40:52.239 then Rollins is like, okay, cool, I want to apologize 0:40:52.239 --> 0:40:54.719 to you for being out of line when I was, 0:40:55.040 --> 0:40:57.880 you know, talking shit about Simon with my eyes, you know, 0:40:58.520 --> 0:41:02.160 And Benson's like, no, you aren't out of line, and 0:41:02.440 --> 0:41:05.319 she's like, I don't need to confuse Noah about his 0:41:05.400 --> 0:41:08.680 life anymore or his past, and that door is staying closed, 0:41:08.719 --> 0:41:13.560 so she, you know, is telling Rollins like, actually, your 0:41:13.600 --> 0:41:16.359 instincts were correct. So now they're at the lineup. They 0:41:16.440 --> 0:41:19.080 actually got Stanton to do it, and they ask all 0:41:19.120 --> 0:41:21.600 the guys to say, Okay, Shakita, do it nice for 0:41:21.680 --> 0:41:24.600 Poppy that line, and then they get the first guy 0:41:24.640 --> 0:41:26.839 to say it, and then Stanton goes, I don't feel 0:41:26.880 --> 0:41:29.520 comfortable saying this, and immediately Lupe is like, it's him. 0:41:29.600 --> 0:41:32.239 It's him, it's him, Like he just he makes such 0:41:32.239 --> 0:41:34.160 a big deal being like I don't want to say 0:41:34.160 --> 0:41:37.719 this or whatever. And now they've got Stanton in cement 0:41:37.840 --> 0:41:40.640 room bars claiming to have done work in Loupe's apartment. 0:41:40.719 --> 0:41:42.799 So that's I moved the headphones out of the way 0:41:42.840 --> 0:41:44.440 so she wouldn't they wouldn't get wet when I was 0:41:44.480 --> 0:41:47.479 working on the sink, you know, like and they're like, okay, yeah, 0:41:47.560 --> 0:41:48.359 and let's say you. 0:41:48.280 --> 0:41:50.279 Did do that, Like why would you ever remember that? 0:41:50.360 --> 0:41:52.839 Like even remembering touching a headphone because of the sink 0:41:52.960 --> 0:41:54.759 is like a right, a. 0:41:54.680 --> 0:41:57.759 Clue you've been yeah, and they're they're like, yeah, but 0:41:57.800 --> 0:41:59.919 it also popped on this case from sixteen years ago, 0:42:00.280 --> 0:42:02.319 and he goes the double murder and it's like, maybe 0:42:02.400 --> 0:42:05.319 don't act like you know exactly what other crime they're 0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:08.200 talking about. Like, if you've been working at the projects 0:42:08.239 --> 0:42:11.840 for sixteen years, between various projects, you've seen a couple 0:42:11.880 --> 0:42:15.480 other people end up dead somehow, right like, and you 0:42:15.560 --> 0:42:23.120 immediately go the double murder like you like okay again, 0:42:23.200 --> 0:42:25.080 he goes, well, if my DNA was at their house 0:42:25.160 --> 0:42:26.880 or at the place of that double murder, it's because 0:42:26.920 --> 0:42:29.520 I was working in their apartment and they're like under 0:42:29.520 --> 0:42:33.000 their fingernails, like your DNA was under their fingernails. And 0:42:33.000 --> 0:42:34.920 then he goes, I think I need a lawyer, So hey, 0:42:34.920 --> 0:42:37.560 you lawyers up, and Benson says it's hard to pin 0:42:37.600 --> 0:42:39.560 a double murder on this guy when two guys have 0:42:39.640 --> 0:42:42.680 already gone down for it, and Careesy tells them, why 0:42:42.719 --> 0:42:45.359 don't you have arrest stance in based on Lupe's voice ID. 0:42:45.800 --> 0:42:48.200 Then he goes to green Haven and they're showing him picks. 0:42:48.719 --> 0:42:52.560 They're showing Carlos picks of different handymen, right, and Finn 0:42:52.600 --> 0:42:55.080 is explaining to him how to use an iPad. He goes, 0:42:55.120 --> 0:42:57.400 you just swipe because he's been in jail for sixteen years, 0:42:57.480 --> 0:43:01.360 right like, there was no swipe technology. He picks out Stanton. 0:43:01.440 --> 0:43:04.000 He goes, this guy, Yeah, we waited over a year 0:43:04.000 --> 0:43:07.120 for him to come fix my mom's kitchen cabinet. He's positive. 0:43:07.160 --> 0:43:09.239 I remember because there was a family of mice living 0:43:09.280 --> 0:43:11.640 under the kitchen sink and I was too scared to 0:43:11.680 --> 0:43:14.759 open it. He goes, now, I live with rats, and yeah, 0:43:14.760 --> 0:43:16.480 he simply doesn't sound like a guy who would have 0:43:16.600 --> 0:43:18.680 murdered and raped his own sister and mother. He's too 0:43:18.680 --> 0:43:21.600 scared to open a cabinet because of mice, Like, that's 0:43:21.640 --> 0:43:25.160 not this. It's just like a classic example of how 0:43:25.320 --> 0:43:28.239 truly murdered at a bad address. Like you don't get 0:43:28.280 --> 0:43:31.440 a good lawyer, you don't get like any kind of 0:43:32.040 --> 0:43:35.520 benefit of the doubt at all. And this kid clearly 0:43:35.520 --> 0:43:38.520 doesn't seem like someone from the family had to come 0:43:38.560 --> 0:43:40.440 home and find the bodies. You know, why would you 0:43:40.480 --> 0:43:42.080 just assume it's this kid? But I guess he wouldn't 0:43:42.080 --> 0:43:45.120 get up his alibis. So he remembers Stanton asking his 0:43:45.200 --> 0:43:48.719 sister Jacinta to show him her Shakira dance moves, and 0:43:48.760 --> 0:43:51.839 he thought that was weird. So there was no forced entry, 0:43:51.840 --> 0:43:54.319 which means they probably let him in. You always let 0:43:54.400 --> 0:43:57.040 those guys in, right, they think it's possible. They're like, 0:43:57.040 --> 0:43:59.120 but why would he kill them? They're like, well, we 0:43:59.160 --> 0:44:02.000 think it's possible. He was assaulting your sister and then 0:44:02.040 --> 0:44:04.959 your mom came home and he had to kill them 0:44:05.120 --> 0:44:07.000 both to shut them up because now they've seen him 0:44:07.040 --> 0:44:10.880 and everything, so he had and they're like, did he confess? 0:44:10.960 --> 0:44:13.719 And they're like no, and he's like, well, with this 0:44:13.840 --> 0:44:16.640 DNA and with Ricky testifying, and that's when they have 0:44:16.760 --> 0:44:19.440 to break it to him that Ricky is no longer 0:44:19.440 --> 0:44:23.640 with us, and Cariese says, we have the DNA and 0:44:23.719 --> 0:44:26.520 Ricky's letter, the Queen's DA will take a look, and 0:44:26.560 --> 0:44:29.439 then he goes, is the Queen's DA still keen? Finn 0:44:29.520 --> 0:44:32.879 goes sixteen years like the Mummy's hand. This guy won 0:44:32.960 --> 0:44:36.600 his election to be DA off of Carlos's conviction, and 0:44:36.680 --> 0:44:38.560 Carisey goes, but I know a guy in the DA's 0:44:38.600 --> 0:44:40.880 office in Queens who I trust. So he cut to 0:44:40.960 --> 0:44:43.520 Cares at a restaurant and who walks in but prison 0:44:43.600 --> 0:44:48.120 Break hottie Wentworth Miller and he is playing Queen's Ada 0:44:48.360 --> 0:44:52.480 Isaiah Holmes, and he asks, how's the jump from Detective 0:44:52.480 --> 0:44:55.080 to eightya going, and Carisey goes, I miss my gun 0:44:55.120 --> 0:44:57.920 and the pay cuts no fun. And I was shocked 0:44:57.960 --> 0:45:01.000 to hear this because I think of Barbara is like, so, 0:45:01.200 --> 0:45:04.600 Bougie's going skiing in stad and like, you know, like 0:45:04.680 --> 0:45:08.000 wearing nice suits and shit. So I but I googled 0:45:08.040 --> 0:45:11.160 it and in my rough google it said that Manhattan 0:45:11.160 --> 0:45:14.280 Detectives make and this is now obviously, but this episode's 0:45:14.280 --> 0:45:18.680 only from seven years ago make around one hundred and 0:45:18.680 --> 0:45:20.640 twenty to one hundred and thirty seven K, and an 0:45:20.680 --> 0:45:24.799 Ada straight off of passing the bar makes ninety K 0:45:24.920 --> 0:45:26.920 to start, but then it increases. 0:45:28.480 --> 0:45:31.040 Barbara, do you think he worked in the private sector 0:45:31.200 --> 0:45:36.280 then went to go do defense maybe or does other cases? 0:45:36.320 --> 0:45:41.319 Because how el because he had that other friend. Maybe 0:45:41.360 --> 0:45:44.359 he just dresses nice, like maybe he met at what yeah, 0:45:44.400 --> 0:45:45.000 what I mean. 0:45:44.880 --> 0:45:46.759 He went to Harvard, so that's how he's like met 0:45:46.800 --> 0:45:49.440 some of these other guys that are like yeah up, 0:45:50.080 --> 0:45:53.560 you know yeah so, but yeah, who knows, I mean, 0:45:53.640 --> 0:45:56.279 who knows. Maybe maybe Barbara's got a side hustle. I 0:45:56.280 --> 0:46:00.000 have no idea, but he tells Holmes, I still remember 0:46:00.280 --> 0:46:03.720 what you said my first year of Fordham law better 0:46:03.760 --> 0:46:06.600 one hundred guilty men go free than one innocent man 0:46:06.640 --> 0:46:09.440 be condemned, and Holmes goes, you know, I was quoting Voltaire, 0:46:09.520 --> 0:46:12.960 and of course Carisi knows that. Cariese's like, I knew that, 0:46:13.640 --> 0:46:15.719 but you still said it and I remember it, and 0:46:15.760 --> 0:46:17.280 he's like, have you taken a look at the file 0:46:17.360 --> 0:46:19.160 and Holmes is like, well, yeah, I looked at it. 0:46:19.400 --> 0:46:22.120 Carlos had a terrible lawyer. He and Ricky were kids 0:46:22.160 --> 0:46:24.319 and they had their lives taken from them. But he 0:46:24.440 --> 0:46:27.400 explains it's hard enough to get a case overturned, let 0:46:27.480 --> 0:46:30.120 alone a double homicide plus rape that my boss built 0:46:30.120 --> 0:46:33.920 his career on, and Caresee's like, of course, but surely 0:46:33.960 --> 0:46:36.880 after he hears the preponderance of his sculpatory evidence, like 0:46:37.080 --> 0:46:39.040 the way he said that seventh sentence to me was 0:46:39.120 --> 0:46:44.040 hilarious to me, and he goes, oh. Holmes goes, you 0:46:44.040 --> 0:46:47.520 don't know about Keene then, and Caresee looks confused. And 0:46:47.560 --> 0:46:50.319 now we cut to the top of act three. We're 0:46:50.320 --> 0:46:51.320 in Keene's office. 0:46:51.400 --> 0:46:54.239 I just can't even believe this part, honest believe, it's 0:46:54.360 --> 0:46:56.960 very deep. I'm like, what, why would this be allowed 0:46:57.040 --> 0:46:57.880 in real world? 0:46:57.920 --> 0:47:02.560 Like what, yes, I mean I don't know. Government is corrupt. 0:47:02.640 --> 0:47:05.120 Like if you keep this kind of things under wraps, 0:47:05.160 --> 0:47:07.400 then the deputies can kind of like run everything as 0:47:07.440 --> 0:47:10.640 puppet masters behind this guy. But essentially they roll this 0:47:10.680 --> 0:47:13.719 guy Keen out in a wheelchair. He's out of his mind. 0:47:13.760 --> 0:47:16.880 He's in the throes of dementia. He's a second away 0:47:16.880 --> 0:47:21.080 from drooling. Yes, he's like looking into the distance talking 0:47:21.120 --> 0:47:25.360 to Holmes and Careese like their young law school students, 0:47:25.360 --> 0:47:28.880 telling them don't quit law schools, telling them facts about 0:47:28.880 --> 0:47:31.480 Shay Stadium. This man has like lost his marbles and 0:47:31.520 --> 0:47:33.880 he goes, yeah, just leave the file on my desk. 0:47:33.920 --> 0:47:35.440 And you look over to this desk that's just like 0:47:35.640 --> 0:47:38.920 teeming with files that this guy's not gonna ever look at, right. 0:47:39.320 --> 0:47:42.160 So Kreese's explaining the whole mess to Benson like Stein's 0:47:42.480 --> 0:47:45.839 Keene staff has been covering up his dementia. And she's like, 0:47:46.600 --> 0:47:50.480 are we talking like in and out or And he's like, no, 0:47:50.600 --> 0:47:52.640 we're talking like he didn't know like who we were. 0:47:52.760 --> 0:47:55.080 It was like, you know, not good. She's like, can't 0:47:55.080 --> 0:47:57.360 someone step up? Like we've got three more hits on 0:47:57.400 --> 0:48:00.560 Stanton's DNA plus a witness and Carise he's like, well, 0:48:00.880 --> 0:48:04.520 Keene is useless, but maybe Holmes can get Carlos a retrial. 0:48:05.120 --> 0:48:08.120 So then a uniform is like, hey, guys, Stanton's lawyer 0:48:08.120 --> 0:48:09.799 wants to talk to you guys. So now we're in 0:48:09.840 --> 0:48:13.400 cement room bars, Coresi and Benson are across from Stanton 0:48:13.560 --> 0:48:14.280 and his lawyer. 0:48:14.960 --> 0:48:20.400 And his lawyer is oh, I didn't really recognize him. 0:48:20.840 --> 0:48:23.560 Well, his lawyer is not anybody I recognize, but his 0:48:23.680 --> 0:48:27.560 name is ron Fredo and he's been in a bunch 0:48:27.640 --> 0:48:31.919 of other episodes, like he was in Eternal Relief from 0:48:31.960 --> 0:48:35.319 Pain Guardians and Gladiators, Dutch Tears, which is that big 0:48:35.360 --> 0:48:39.160 Finn episode, and he was in an episode of shadow 0:48:39.200 --> 0:48:41.600 Work that the episode shadow Work, which was a cross 0:48:41.640 --> 0:48:44.440 with with OC. It was an episode of OC, but 0:48:44.440 --> 0:48:45.839 it was a cross with US few, so we talked 0:48:45.880 --> 0:48:49.439 about it. Oh and the episode Carousel he was in, 0:48:50.719 --> 0:48:56.880 So yeah, he's he's been out there defending scumbags. But 0:48:58.280 --> 0:49:00.480 the lawyer's is sleeves Ball and he's like, can. 0:49:00.320 --> 0:49:07.239 You please look at Patrick Kean's IMDb photo Larry Brigman Old, 0:49:08.280 --> 0:49:12.320 look at Larry Brickman, b rygg Man. 0:49:12.520 --> 0:49:15.240 He looks like he would play Fritzel in a movie 0:49:15.360 --> 0:49:17.279 like the guy who had his kids underneath? 0:49:17.480 --> 0:49:19.319 Are we looking at the same photo. He's wearing a 0:49:19.360 --> 0:49:21.399 sea captain's hat and he's drowning in a water. 0:49:21.520 --> 0:49:23.520 Yes, but in the in the other photos that come 0:49:23.560 --> 0:49:26.000 up with him from Google, he looks like Fritzel in 0:49:26.040 --> 0:49:27.920 the sea captain's hat. It's ridiculous. 0:49:28.239 --> 0:49:31.640 Why would that be his IMDb five, I am drowning toothless. 0:49:31.640 --> 0:49:35.120 He has no teeth, drowning in a sea captain's hat. Like, 0:49:35.920 --> 0:49:36.880 what is happening? 0:49:37.400 --> 0:49:39.880 I have no idea. He's in die Hard with a Vengeance. 0:49:39.920 --> 0:49:42.640 I don't know what this picture is from. I wish 0:49:42.680 --> 0:49:48.520 it would tell us. Oh, Salty from his character's name 0:49:48.560 --> 0:49:51.759 is Salty, but I don't know. Hold on, maybe I can. 0:49:52.400 --> 0:49:56.520 We got to watch Salty. Okay, wait, wait where is it? 0:49:56.640 --> 0:49:57.040 Salty? 0:49:57.840 --> 0:50:00.440 Side by Each a movie he's in called side by 0:50:00.480 --> 0:50:02.640 Each from two thousand and eight. Salty's in the water 0:50:03.000 --> 0:50:06.600 and a captain's hat. Anyway, give it up for Brigman. 0:50:06.960 --> 0:50:10.760 He will post it on her install because he's Salty 0:50:10.800 --> 0:50:15.680 forever for us. So CARESI and Benson are sitting across 0:50:15.719 --> 0:50:20.800 from Stanton and his lawyer Fredo this guy and he's 0:50:21.080 --> 0:50:24.080 they're like, will luh, we'll cop to forcible touching in 0:50:24.200 --> 0:50:26.799 Loupe's case, and he's like a sleeve ball and he 0:50:26.840 --> 0:50:31.520 goes Juri's love me. And they hate cops, especially cops 0:50:31.560 --> 0:50:36.080 turn lawyers. I don't know if any jury is ever like, 0:50:36.440 --> 0:50:38.640 hey did that da used to be a cop, Like, 0:50:38.880 --> 0:50:42.080 I don't think that's happening. But then they're like, well, 0:50:42.120 --> 0:50:44.080 we have you on six rapes, so the jury's gonna 0:50:44.080 --> 0:50:46.600 hear from Lupe and a lot of other girls and 0:50:46.719 --> 0:50:49.759 Cariese's like, if he confesses to the Hernandez murders, maybe 0:50:49.760 --> 0:50:53.200 we can swing criminally negligent homicide and rape two on 0:50:53.239 --> 0:50:57.719 the other six and Stanton says, I ain't festened to 0:50:57.840 --> 0:51:01.120 no crack home murders and I ain't coppin to no 0:51:01.280 --> 0:51:06.000 pedo rapes. No short eye please like those Mos Torres 0:51:06.040 --> 0:51:09.880 and Hernandez did. He wasn't talking like this before. I 0:51:09.960 --> 0:51:13.400 don't understand what a short eye plea is, but it 0:51:13.480 --> 0:51:15.920 seems racist. It sounds racist. I don't know what it is. 0:51:16.239 --> 0:51:19.080 But they go, well, what do you know about that? 0:51:19.680 --> 0:51:22.800 And he goes, I don't know how Carlos lasted sixteen 0:51:22.880 --> 0:51:25.360 years at green Haven. Everyone knows he's up, and he 0:51:25.400 --> 0:51:29.680 says a the f slur for gay. Right, So this 0:51:29.760 --> 0:51:31.799 is an interesting piece of the puzzle that we did 0:51:31.880 --> 0:51:35.280 not know about. Damn, you sure know, and I wrote, 0:51:35.400 --> 0:51:36.759 I wrote in my notes, Damn you sure know a 0:51:36.800 --> 0:51:38.680 lot about some random eighteen year old kid in the 0:51:38.680 --> 0:51:41.520 building you did maintenance at sixteen years ago. Like, if 0:51:41.520 --> 0:51:43.080 you're innocent, how do you know so much about this 0:51:43.120 --> 0:51:44.040 fucking guy, Carlos? 0:51:44.120 --> 0:51:44.319 You know? 0:51:45.080 --> 0:51:49.080 So they walk out and the lawyer goes, if you 0:51:49.160 --> 0:51:51.520 insist to the murders and child rapes, we'll go to 0:51:51.560 --> 0:51:54.120 the mat in my ring. He says that to Carees, 0:51:54.920 --> 0:51:57.239 So Careese goes, well, Carlos told us he had an 0:51:57.280 --> 0:51:58.920 alibi for the night of the murders, but he wouldn't 0:51:58.920 --> 0:52:01.160 talk about it, and now maybe you know why. So 0:52:01.239 --> 0:52:03.640 now Finn and him are back at green Haven talking 0:52:03.680 --> 0:52:06.279 to Carlos about a retrial, and he's like, well, I 0:52:06.320 --> 0:52:08.880 can't have the DA asking me any questions, and Cariese's 0:52:08.880 --> 0:52:11.680 about to dig into the personal stuff. So Finn turns 0:52:11.680 --> 0:52:13.600 to the CEO and goes, can you give me a 0:52:13.600 --> 0:52:16.680 few minutes because these guys are like half the time, 0:52:17.719 --> 0:52:20.040 like bought by gangs. You can't like say anything in 0:52:20.040 --> 0:52:22.520 front of one of these guys, of course. Yeah, So 0:52:22.640 --> 0:52:28.680 caries tells him, we know you're gay. Yeah, No, Carisa goes, 0:52:28.960 --> 0:52:32.120 nothing you tell us. Yeah. He goes, we think we 0:52:32.200 --> 0:52:34.120 know why you're not telling us about your alibi. And 0:52:34.160 --> 0:52:36.080 nothing you tell us leaves this room if you don't 0:52:36.080 --> 0:52:38.480 want it to. Where were you on that night and 0:52:38.520 --> 0:52:41.680 he goes Plum Beach in Brooklyn and Carisa goes, that's 0:52:41.719 --> 0:52:43.960 a boy meets boy beach right off the belt Parkway. 0:52:44.360 --> 0:52:47.600 He goes, yeah, it was. It was my first time 0:52:47.680 --> 0:52:50.200 me and Ricky hooked up. It was a beautiful night 0:52:50.360 --> 0:52:53.040 before I came home and found my mom and sister dead. 0:52:53.680 --> 0:52:56.160 And Cariese's like, well, come on, man, people come out 0:52:56.200 --> 0:52:59.160 of the closet. Times have changed, and Carlos goes, not 0:52:59.320 --> 0:53:02.200 in here. Out of the closet means into a casket. 0:53:02.200 --> 0:53:03.920 If they find out I'm gay, the gangs will turn 0:53:03.960 --> 0:53:06.560 me into a maytag and he goes, I'll get bitched 0:53:06.560 --> 0:53:10.839 out until I get the bug like Ricky. So He's like, 0:53:11.200 --> 0:53:12.960 I know I'll never go free, but can you at 0:53:13.040 --> 0:53:15.840 least find out where my mother and my sister are buried. 0:53:15.880 --> 0:53:18.239 I have nightmares that they're somewhere like worse than me, 0:53:18.800 --> 0:53:22.279 like in unmarked graves, and Cariese is explaining now the 0:53:22.320 --> 0:53:25.840 situation to Holmes, who goes and did you bring me 0:53:25.880 --> 0:53:29.360 this news because I'm gay. I didn't know this. Isaiah 0:53:29.360 --> 0:53:32.879 Holmes is gay and Carisy goes, no, that's not why, 0:53:32.920 --> 0:53:35.160 but it doesn't hurt. And I also know you have 0:53:35.200 --> 0:53:38.840 a justice Jean under there somewhere, and Holmes goes, well, 0:53:39.160 --> 0:53:41.840 maybe we can get him protective custody. But Cariese's like, 0:53:41.880 --> 0:53:44.799 with this guy's history PTSDD depression, he could take his 0:53:44.800 --> 0:53:47.120 own life. And Holmes is like, I need a night 0:53:47.160 --> 0:53:50.240 sleep to figure out what Voltaire would do. So now 0:53:50.520 --> 0:53:53.080 we're at the projects where Loope lives again. Benson is 0:53:53.080 --> 0:53:55.799 talking to Lupe and her mother and the mom is like, 0:53:56.120 --> 0:53:59.200 not wanting Lupe to testify, she's been through enough, and 0:53:59.239 --> 0:54:02.520 the lawyers goes thell Doya is they'll trick ha and 0:54:03.120 --> 0:54:05.520 Lupe is like, they can't catch me in a lie 0:54:05.560 --> 0:54:08.520 if I tell the truth, and Kat promises we'll prep 0:54:08.600 --> 0:54:10.680 her like we've got her, and the mom is like, 0:54:11.000 --> 0:54:13.000 you don't have to do this, and Lupe's like, mom, 0:54:13.040 --> 0:54:15.480 if he goes free, what if he goes after Giselle? 0:54:15.880 --> 0:54:18.560 And Benson's like, okay, we'll be in touch. Like Lupe 0:54:18.600 --> 0:54:21.680 is a starred perse child, like she is so brave 0:54:22.360 --> 0:54:26.440 and smart and cool, and Benson's like, gotta go. We'll 0:54:26.440 --> 0:54:28.359 be in touch. And then she gets a phone call 0:54:28.840 --> 0:54:31.200 and she looks like she's been punched in the fucking gut, 0:54:31.280 --> 0:54:33.600 and she goes, I'm on my way, and she tells Kat, 0:54:34.040 --> 0:54:36.160 get your ass home yourself. I have a family thing. 0:54:36.680 --> 0:54:40.719 So now Benson is in the hospital and she is 0:54:41.000 --> 0:54:45.120 iding the body, the dead body of her brother, Simon Marsden, 0:54:45.200 --> 0:54:49.080 which we do know is going to happen because we 0:54:49.120 --> 0:54:51.640 have already covered the episode Trick World at the Mulan, 0:54:51.760 --> 0:54:54.000 So even if you're like not an SVU a watcher, 0:54:54.040 --> 0:54:56.640 you might remember that her brother was found dead at 0:54:56.640 --> 0:55:00.000 this hotel. Melinda is there. As she's idaing the body, 0:55:00.200 --> 0:55:03.520 she looks upset. He died of an ode of heroin 0:55:03.600 --> 0:55:05.600 that was laced with fentanyl. There were no signs of 0:55:05.600 --> 0:55:08.160 foul play, and Benson's like, well, he told me he'd 0:55:08.200 --> 0:55:10.720 been sober, and Melinda goes, he was telling you the truth. 0:55:10.760 --> 0:55:12.640 Most likely, if I had to guess, he'd been clean 0:55:12.719 --> 0:55:15.960 for a while, And that's like that happens a lot 0:55:16.000 --> 0:55:18.719 of times. Like that's I think what happened to Amy Winehouse, 0:55:18.800 --> 0:55:20.560 Like she'd been clean for a while and then she 0:55:20.680 --> 0:55:22.880 died just the time she went back to it. Because 0:55:23.480 --> 0:55:26.759 it's like a shock to your system, I think, so said. 0:55:26.880 --> 0:55:28.920 She says, it's not a large enough dose for it 0:55:28.960 --> 0:55:31.520 to be a suicide. And he just got his hands 0:55:31.560 --> 0:55:34.400 on the wrong stuff. And we find out later, you know, 0:55:34.480 --> 0:55:37.279 he was kind of peer pressured into partying with some 0:55:37.400 --> 0:55:42.440 guy he knew. And Melinda asked, yes, were you guys close, 0:55:42.680 --> 0:55:45.480 and she goes, not really, but he was my only 0:55:45.480 --> 0:55:48.759 family and she starts crying, and there's a moment where 0:55:48.760 --> 0:55:50.960 she debates touching his cold, dead face, and then she 0:55:51.320 --> 0:55:54.080 thinks better of it and doesn't do it. But it's sad. 0:55:54.120 --> 0:55:56.440 I don't like to see Benson's head like again, they 0:55:56.440 --> 0:55:58.000 can't let live be happy, they can't let her have 0:55:58.040 --> 0:56:01.640 a nice boyfriend, they can't let her She's got this tenuous, 0:56:02.040 --> 0:56:04.959 this you know, sort of bad relationship with her mom 0:56:05.280 --> 0:56:08.040 from when she was younger, who died, And that's like, 0:56:08.480 --> 0:56:11.239 you know, conflicting for her, and now the brother is 0:56:11.280 --> 0:56:13.040 gone and that's truly now all she has in this 0:56:13.120 --> 0:56:16.400 world is Noah. And maybe she would consider Stabler, but 0:56:16.520 --> 0:56:18.560 at this point she hasn't talked to him in years. 0:56:18.560 --> 0:56:24.320 Maybe so In Queen's Court, Holmes tells Cares some good news. 0:56:24.480 --> 0:56:27.720 Keen signed the vacate order. Salty, way to go salty, 0:56:28.239 --> 0:56:30.200 and he goes, how'd you get him to do that? 0:56:30.560 --> 0:56:33.120 And he goes, he might have thought he was signing 0:56:33.160 --> 0:56:35.840 a law school recommendation letter. So we're just at the 0:56:35.840 --> 0:56:39.880 point where this were weekend at Bernie's seeing this fucking DA, 0:56:39.960 --> 0:56:44.319 I mean, like the wait da right from Queen's Like 0:56:44.360 --> 0:56:46.520 he's the full DA for Queens, and we're just like 0:56:46.560 --> 0:56:49.439 propping him up and like having him sign things, and 0:56:50.800 --> 0:56:53.239 Cariese's like, I didn't hear that, you didn't say that. 0:56:53.400 --> 0:56:55.640 Let's get this done. So now we're in the courtroom. 0:56:55.760 --> 0:56:59.880 They vacate Carlos's conviction. The judge apologizes to Carlos for 0:57:00.560 --> 0:57:03.520 him losing sixteen years of his life. They take his 0:57:03.560 --> 0:57:07.359 ankle chains off, And the sad thing I always think 0:57:07.400 --> 0:57:09.200 of is in this kind of situation, like what does 0:57:09.239 --> 0:57:11.880 he do now, Like hopefully he has family on the 0:57:11.920 --> 0:57:14.840 other side. But from eighteen years old, he's been behind bars. 0:57:15.480 --> 0:57:18.680 Now he's a thirty four year old man. Where's he 0:57:18.720 --> 0:57:21.280 gonna go? I mean, like there are organizations, but like 0:57:21.320 --> 0:57:23.360 this is why recidivism is so bad. You can like 0:57:23.400 --> 0:57:25.200 put the like I mean, hopefully he files a suit 0:57:25.320 --> 0:57:28.400 and gets you know, Queens pays him a million dollars, 0:57:28.400 --> 0:57:31.080 so you can fucking you know, get an apartment. But 0:57:31.120 --> 0:57:34.240 Finn's like, you can walk like a man. Now, Carlos 0:57:34.640 --> 0:57:39.840 and CARRIESI goes a freeman. So and then Carlos just 0:57:39.920 --> 0:57:42.400 kind of like shuffles out of the courtroom. So now, 0:57:42.960 --> 0:57:45.080 and he is hot, and I think we all need 0:57:45.160 --> 0:57:49.040 to remember that. I think I think he's gonna be okay. Indeed, indeed, 0:57:49.080 --> 0:57:50.840 I think he's gonna get a settlement. And I think 0:57:50.880 --> 0:57:55.080 he's gonna hit the West Village. I hope so Hell's kitchen. 0:57:55.200 --> 0:57:57.120 I could see him in a nice little roomy Hell's 0:57:57.160 --> 0:58:02.000 kitchen apartment. So now they're telling Lupa's mom that Stanton 0:58:02.280 --> 0:58:05.080 is pleading guilty to the two murders, but they're not 0:58:05.160 --> 0:58:08.400 going to try him on her rape or these other rapes, 0:58:08.760 --> 0:58:11.920 which the mom seems annoyed about, but they reassure her, like, 0:58:11.960 --> 0:58:13.760 he's not getting out of jail for a long time. 0:58:13.800 --> 0:58:16.840 In this way, Lupe doesn't have to testify, and you know, 0:58:17.360 --> 0:58:19.040 I think it's kind of worth it. He's going away 0:58:19.040 --> 0:58:21.080 for a long time. You don't have to be in 0:58:21.120 --> 0:58:25.920 a room with him ever again, you know. And Kat's like, 0:58:26.000 --> 0:58:27.600 let me give you a ride home, And then Benson 0:58:27.640 --> 0:58:30.680 looks despondent and Roland asks her if she's okay. She's 0:58:30.760 --> 0:58:33.840 like no, tells her about Simon dying, and she tells 0:58:33.880 --> 0:58:35.840 Roland's about the message that she left on the phone 0:58:35.840 --> 0:58:38.440 for him, and she's like, what if my message is 0:58:38.520 --> 0:58:41.320 the last thing that he heard? And Rollins is like, you 0:58:41.360 --> 0:58:44.000 don't know that. Like with the life he led, it 0:58:44.120 --> 0:58:46.560 was just his time, you know. But we find out 0:58:47.040 --> 0:58:49.880 later kind of it wasn't even really. I mean, I 0:58:49.880 --> 0:58:51.840 don't think anyone like forced him to do the drugs, 0:58:51.840 --> 0:58:56.120 but he was right, didn't the guy like say let's 0:58:56.160 --> 0:58:58.960 go out, Like, yeah, I was bad, but he was sad. 0:58:59.040 --> 0:58:59.760 I don't even remember that. 0:59:00.080 --> 0:59:01.680 So do you said the Mulan rouge And I was like, 0:59:01.680 --> 0:59:02.080 what the. 0:59:02.000 --> 0:59:02.800 Fuck is she talking? 0:59:02.880 --> 0:59:04.760 It was the episode? 0:59:04.840 --> 0:59:08.280 Yeah, yes, and then well, now that's even more clear. 0:59:08.360 --> 0:59:10.640 But then I remembered the hotel when you mentioned it. 0:59:10.680 --> 0:59:14.800 But yeah, I yeah, it's like I was team Hustlers. 0:59:15.040 --> 0:59:17.280 So that was tough. That was a tough case for me. 0:59:17.720 --> 0:59:18.000 Tough. 0:59:19.200 --> 0:59:22.360 It's always it's always tough when I sided with the criminals. 0:59:23.840 --> 0:59:27.440 Well, so the last scene, they're at the cemetery in 0:59:27.520 --> 0:59:29.920 Jamaica Queens and Carlos is putting flowers on the graves 0:59:29.920 --> 0:59:32.160 of his mom and his sister. Finn and Carisi are 0:59:32.160 --> 0:59:34.919 there looking on. Carlos notices that the stone looks new. 0:59:35.280 --> 0:59:37.320 Carisi goes, yes, so people read about your case. There 0:59:37.360 --> 0:59:40.919 was a GoFundMe and Carlos goes, what's that and it's 0:59:41.040 --> 0:59:44.640 like sad He's literally missed out on like sixteen years 0:59:44.680 --> 0:59:48.400 of life, Like that's another thing, like can you you know, 0:59:49.200 --> 0:59:50.640 like you got to like it's like getting out of 0:59:50.680 --> 0:59:53.200 a coma or something. And he's like, how can I ever? 0:59:53.320 --> 0:59:57.520 Thank you to Cariesi and Finn, and then he cries 0:59:57.600 --> 0:59:59.479 on his sister's grave, and then they do a close 0:59:59.560 --> 1:00:02.960 up shot Coreesy looking really serious, and then there's a 1:00:03.000 --> 1:00:06.160 wide shot of the cemetery and then that's Dick wolf baby. Yeah. 1:00:06.200 --> 1:00:08.320 I also they really did it in such a smart 1:00:08.320 --> 1:00:10.800 way with him not knowing these simple things or the 1:00:10.800 --> 1:00:15.120 iPad like it. Yeah, it's I love when little things 1:00:15.480 --> 1:00:16.360 show so d yeah. 1:00:16.200 --> 1:00:18.880 Because it's like they get TV. They're not totally like 1:00:19.520 --> 1:00:24.240 what's happening, like you know, but like they wouldn't know 1:00:24.280 --> 1:00:26.600 how to use like technology like that. I don't think, 1:00:28.080 --> 1:00:29.920 even though now it feels like everybody in prison has 1:00:29.920 --> 1:00:32.000 a phone. People are like tweeting from prisons. I don't know, 1:00:32.960 --> 1:00:34.680 but tell me everything. 1:00:42.640 --> 1:00:47.680 So Lewis and Scarcella scandal, scandal, this guy should be behind bars. 1:00:48.320 --> 1:00:50.720 The fact that bad cops get to keep their pension, 1:00:51.320 --> 1:00:53.439 the fact that the state and city has to pay 1:00:53.480 --> 1:00:56.880 these like out these cases, it's like all a mess. 1:00:57.280 --> 1:01:00.280 If I was I kind of feel like the miscongeniality 1:01:00.360 --> 1:01:03.000 like Gracie Hart. Like if I was in miss America 1:01:03.080 --> 1:01:05.040 and they were like, what do you want to change, 1:01:05.120 --> 1:01:07.560 I'd be like, cops have to pay out of their 1:01:07.560 --> 1:01:08.919 pension for their criminal. 1:01:10.240 --> 1:01:13.640 Is my number one? Like I think they would just less, 1:01:14.680 --> 1:01:15.720 that's your subway take. 1:01:16.840 --> 1:01:19.320 It's just not fun. I would rather do a kind 1:01:19.320 --> 1:01:24.560 of fun one. But I hope, but that is what 1:01:24.640 --> 1:01:27.880 I so believe, like I think they would shoot less people. Well, 1:01:27.880 --> 1:01:30.040 because I also saw this instagram once and it's like 1:01:30.960 --> 1:01:33.680 a dude was saying, like every black person in America 1:01:33.840 --> 1:01:39.800 should have life insurance policies because if there's wrongful death, 1:01:39.880 --> 1:01:45.600 like insurance companies get their fucking money, and that they're like, 1:01:45.600 --> 1:01:49.160 like that's where because they don't. They obviously lack humanity. 1:01:49.960 --> 1:01:52.440 So it's like either insurance. But I think if they 1:01:52.480 --> 1:01:55.280 had to pay out their own misdeeds and then they 1:01:55.280 --> 1:01:59.480 didn't get their pensions anymore, they must they I think 1:01:59.520 --> 1:02:02.959 would act better. Yeah, I think, I don't know. Maybe 1:02:03.000 --> 1:02:06.000 I'm wrong, Maybe I'm wrong. The corruption's too deep, but 1:02:06.040 --> 1:02:09.760 it's like, okay, whatever. So Lewis, he's the star detective 1:02:09.840 --> 1:02:14.280 right nineteen eighties Brooklyn nineties, known for making arrests, getting convictions. 1:02:14.920 --> 1:02:17.840 New York Times referred him as Batman, and Robin was 1:02:17.880 --> 1:02:22.600 this other detective Steve w Chamilli Chamil whatever. So their 1:02:22.680 --> 1:02:25.720 legacy of course tarnished. March twenty thirteen, when they're accused 1:02:25.720 --> 1:02:27.880 of lying and cheating this all the time to make 1:02:27.920 --> 1:02:32.120 high profile cases stick, a witness comes forward and says 1:02:32.160 --> 1:02:36.600 that he Lewis told him which suspect to pick out 1:02:36.640 --> 1:02:40.200 of a police lineup in a nineteen ninety murder of 1:02:40.240 --> 1:02:41.160 a Brooklyn rabbi. 1:02:41.880 --> 1:02:43.600 Okay, the two men were. 1:02:43.440 --> 1:02:46.280 Found to have let violent criminals out of jail to 1:02:46.360 --> 1:02:50.240 smoke crack and visit sex workers in exchange for incriminating 1:02:50.600 --> 1:02:53.920 David Ranta, who then served over twenty years. 1:02:53.640 --> 1:02:56.480 For this crime, this murder that he did not commit. 1:02:57.280 --> 1:02:59.640 In ninety two, they're caught on video letting a jail 1:02:59.640 --> 1:03:01.960 house in formant out of custody to meet his girlfriend 1:03:01.960 --> 1:03:04.640 and go shopping and like go out to e and like, 1:03:04.880 --> 1:03:08.960 so many misconduct cases after twenty thirteen start coming. 1:03:08.680 --> 1:03:11.560 Out, and so the lead DA Charles J. 1:03:11.840 --> 1:03:16.760 Hines, has to reopen like fifty six cases, okay, And 1:03:16.800 --> 1:03:19.680 these are fifty six cases that Lewis arrested that were 1:03:19.960 --> 1:03:21.880 that and these went a trial and these people were 1:03:21.880 --> 1:03:25.120 convicted a trial. So I need to tell you guys, 1:03:25.160 --> 1:03:27.320 there is decades of articles about this guy. 1:03:27.560 --> 1:03:28.080 Decades. 1:03:28.640 --> 1:03:32.800 There are seven full New York Times article pages only 1:03:32.840 --> 1:03:37.960 about Scarcella. I couldn't cover every single case because there 1:03:38.080 --> 1:03:44.600 is likedjuzzens of articles, truly, decades of articles about overturned 1:03:44.600 --> 1:03:51.240 convictions payouts inventing confessions, coaching witnesses, persuading people to change 1:03:51.280 --> 1:03:54.280 their description of perpse to match the suspect and custody 1:03:54.880 --> 1:03:58.240 multiple confessions they ended up finding with the exact same language, 1:03:58.600 --> 1:04:02.320 which is just it's just kind of impossible. But yeah, 1:04:02.520 --> 1:04:04.600 a bunch of people kept going, you got it right, 1:04:04.800 --> 1:04:08.160 I was there and that was the smoking gun. Truly 1:04:08.280 --> 1:04:13.320 is like this pattern and the similarities in language. Jabbar Washington, 1:04:13.520 --> 1:04:16.560 during the trial of a nineteen ninety five murder, had 1:04:16.560 --> 1:04:21.040 an alibi. Survivors of the shooting were unable to identify 1:04:21.120 --> 1:04:24.200 him in court, but that forced confession is what got 1:04:24.280 --> 1:04:29.480 him convicted. And that was that. Richard Leo, a lat professor, quoted, 1:04:29.640 --> 1:04:31.880 It's hard to imagine all five people use the same 1:04:31.880 --> 1:04:34.320 exact words. It almost sounds like a template. 1:04:34.720 --> 1:04:37.280 What's so crazy is like we've talked about police corruption 1:04:37.440 --> 1:04:39.680 in New York City, and like we talked about like 1:04:39.720 --> 1:04:42.400 the cerproco of it all, and that was like in 1:04:42.480 --> 1:04:45.440 the late sixties, and like there was another round of 1:04:45.440 --> 1:04:47.760 it in the eighties. Like they didn't get this guy, 1:04:48.040 --> 1:04:49.480 Like no, they didn't care. 1:04:49.520 --> 1:04:54.960 Oh oh yeah. So like so he had this forced confession. 1:04:55.200 --> 1:04:58.400 I mean to have an alibi confirmed and still be 1:04:58.440 --> 1:04:59.440 convicted of murder. 1:05:01.160 --> 1:05:02.200 So crazy. 1:05:02.280 --> 1:05:04.800 And then every year so like some of the article names, 1:05:04.840 --> 1:05:07.760 it's like fourteen more cases, two more trials, more settlements, 1:05:07.760 --> 1:05:10.800 another man freed, overturned, the city sued. It like doesn't 1:05:10.880 --> 1:05:13.280 end with this guy and how many lives he fucked up? 1:05:13.960 --> 1:05:17.480 An investigation said that, like in the Times, this twenty 1:05:17.520 --> 1:05:19.680 thirteen thing, that he turned to one woman that was 1:05:19.720 --> 1:05:22.000 addicted to crack time and time again. So this woman 1:05:22.120 --> 1:05:25.560 that's addicted to crack was able to testify in murder 1:05:25.600 --> 1:05:26.640 case after murder case. 1:05:26.880 --> 1:05:28.919 Oh my god. And then this Heinz guy. 1:05:28.920 --> 1:05:32.360 The Brooklyn DA did all these investigations, which is insane 1:05:32.440 --> 1:05:34.800 because it's like if a plane crashes, it's on the 1:05:34.960 --> 1:05:37.520 like the like the plane company doesn't get to investigate, 1:05:38.240 --> 1:05:39.840 you know what I mean, Like there's a review board. 1:05:39.840 --> 1:05:42.400 There's an independent safety board that would do that. So 1:05:42.440 --> 1:05:44.440 it's like they let the DA from the place and 1:05:44.600 --> 1:05:47.840 charge look at the cases, and a ton of these 1:05:48.000 --> 1:05:51.720 questionable convictions happened under him, so then he gets to 1:05:51.800 --> 1:05:53.680 then decide if they should stick or not. 1:05:54.560 --> 1:05:59.280 And then and then he started this conviction integrity unit. Lol. 1:05:59.840 --> 1:06:04.800 And David Ranta's who I mentioned earlier, who was Fossley 1:06:04.840 --> 1:06:07.520 in prisoned. His trial lawyer, Michael Baum is like, we've 1:06:07.520 --> 1:06:10.640 been screaming about this case for twenty years, and now 1:06:10.680 --> 1:06:15.480 he cares about wrongful convictions. Okay, Like they've been trying 1:06:15.520 --> 1:06:18.520 to get him out forever. So November twentieth, twenty twenty three, 1:06:18.520 --> 1:06:21.080 The New York Times reported all his overturned cases have 1:06:21.200 --> 1:06:23.840 cost New York one hundred and ten million dollars. 1:06:24.120 --> 1:06:26.360 That's what I'm saying. It's like I actually do think 1:06:26.360 --> 1:06:28.560 that they should. I think that the cops pension should 1:06:28.560 --> 1:06:31.400 be drained, and then also the NYPD should have to pay, 1:06:31.600 --> 1:06:34.560 because if we just make it the cops pension, there's 1:06:34.600 --> 1:06:36.720 not enough, Like there's not enough for the people. But 1:06:36.800 --> 1:06:38.360 it's like it has to come out of their fire. 1:06:38.440 --> 1:06:40.440 It has to come out of something, and that's not 1:06:40.720 --> 1:06:43.880 our taxes, Like they are not punished one hundred and 1:06:43.960 --> 1:06:49.280 ten million dollars, Like mom, Donnie, let's get to work 1:06:49.320 --> 1:06:49.640 on that. 1:06:49.880 --> 1:06:52.160 Like that's that's what I like, what the fuck? 1:06:52.320 --> 1:06:52.400 No? 1:06:52.520 --> 1:06:54.920 And like nobody like this guy was working for thirty 1:06:55.000 --> 1:06:58.919 years before he got busted, Like nobody like rated on him, Like. 1:06:58.880 --> 1:07:03.480 That's give a ship. Between twenty fourteen and twenty twenty two, 1:07:03.720 --> 1:07:07.480 his cases represented about fifteen percent of the payouts the 1:07:07.520 --> 1:07:10.920 city spent. He retired in ninety nine. Thank god, so 1:07:11.040 --> 1:07:15.120 not more people wasted their fucking lives in prison. He 1:07:15.160 --> 1:07:17.600 has not been charged with any crimes, just bye official 1:07:17.640 --> 1:07:20.360 findings of bad practices, even though and he still insists 1:07:20.360 --> 1:07:24.040 he did nothing wrong. He still collects his pension, and 1:07:24.200 --> 1:07:28.200 the city and state money pays for all of his settlements. 1:07:29.080 --> 1:07:31.160 He was on a podcast called The. 1:07:31.080 --> 1:07:34.320 Burden, and I did not listen to it, but The 1:07:34.320 --> 1:07:36.040 New York Times said that he was like, I was 1:07:36.080 --> 1:07:38.480 just a cog in the machine. It's the system, and 1:07:38.520 --> 1:07:40.560 the crime rates were high. What are you gonna do? 1:07:41.240 --> 1:07:43.400 Like does not give a fuck. 1:07:44.760 --> 1:07:47.200 He does not see these people as people in any capacity, 1:07:47.280 --> 1:07:50.120 like the way that fuck the cop talks in that episode. 1:07:51.040 --> 1:07:54.440 The DA's office tried to hide files that showed this. 1:07:54.800 --> 1:07:56.760 So this is like why the like with the DA 1:07:57.160 --> 1:07:59.360 being in charge of the investigation is so crazy. Is 1:07:59.400 --> 1:08:01.840 like they tried to files that showed the scope of 1:08:01.880 --> 1:08:04.520 all his fuck ups in the eighties and nineties, and 1:08:04.560 --> 1:08:08.360 then there was a computer slip up and the prosecutors 1:08:08.480 --> 1:08:15.120 accidentally sent opposing cons opposing council details and that's eesus. 1:08:15.200 --> 1:08:18.679 So unredacted files were sent out January twenty twenty four, 1:08:19.000 --> 1:08:21.839 five hundred and twenty four page PDFs sent on accident 1:08:21.880 --> 1:08:24.679 with everything that they tried to cover up. Oh my god. 1:08:25.640 --> 1:08:29.000 Derek Hamilton, who's an innocent's advocate, is like it's fucked up. 1:08:29.040 --> 1:08:31.200 They haven't worked hard with whatever they could to help 1:08:31.240 --> 1:08:34.240 people get out and made everything public, like he called 1:08:34.240 --> 1:08:36.519 it a mockery. He believes they are tired of paying 1:08:36.560 --> 1:08:38.920 out for all these cases, so now they're becoming like 1:08:39.000 --> 1:08:41.960 selective about what they reveal or not and being willing 1:08:42.000 --> 1:08:45.120 to keep these innocent people in prison. The police union 1:08:45.160 --> 1:08:47.840 obviously had his back. The quotes in the New York 1:08:47.840 --> 1:08:51.160 Times call Scarcella a good detective who has, in quotes, 1:08:51.360 --> 1:08:55.439 been dragged through the mud by agenda driven lawyers. Like 1:08:55.640 --> 1:08:58.439 people spent decades behind bars for kurb So all the 1:08:58.479 --> 1:09:03.360 people put tog other that served time that for crimes 1:09:03.360 --> 1:09:05.599 they were innocent, two hundred and fifty years in prison total. 1:09:06.320 --> 1:09:09.360 Oh my god. The people that he falls me people 1:09:10.040 --> 1:09:14.120 got convicted spent a total two hundred and fifty years 1:09:14.120 --> 1:09:16.960 in prison. One woman like died a few years after 1:09:17.000 --> 1:09:20.360 she was let out. One man who was just fourteen 1:09:20.560 --> 1:09:23.280 when was put in prison wrongfully died in prison at 1:09:23.320 --> 1:09:25.960 age thirty seven, so the settlement like went to his mother. 1:09:26.680 --> 1:09:30.160 One man let out of prison after twenty three years, 1:09:30.160 --> 1:09:32.479 then had a severe heart attack just two days later. 1:09:32.960 --> 1:09:36.080 The Conviction Review Unit in NYC was one of the 1:09:36.120 --> 1:09:38.719 first of the such units in the country, and since 1:09:38.760 --> 1:09:42.760 twenty fourteen, has overturned thirty seven convictions, and a third 1:09:42.800 --> 1:09:47.800 of those are Scarsala cases and Wikipedia. I did check 1:09:47.800 --> 1:09:49.439 because I was like, he must be in jail. Why 1:09:49.520 --> 1:09:51.559 can't I find a punishment? I was like, why can't 1:09:51.600 --> 1:09:54.960 I find a punishment? There just isn't. But in the 1:09:55.040 --> 1:09:58.520 known for it does say like twenty one overturned convictions 1:09:59.240 --> 1:10:04.120 in homicide cases. But what else he's known for his awards? 1:10:04.160 --> 1:10:08.559 He's won four chief of these awards for Outstanding Investigation. 1:10:09.360 --> 1:10:09.880 Duda. 1:10:10.320 --> 1:10:16.559 If that doesn't explain everything. In twenty seventeen, he was 1:10:16.640 --> 1:10:19.680 honored by the retired Detectives of New York Club to 1:10:19.680 --> 1:10:23.320 show their solidarity with this fucking loser. John Wilde, who 1:10:23.400 --> 1:10:26.720 organized the event, is quoted sadly as detectives we don't 1:10:26.760 --> 1:10:29.599 usually get our side of the story out. Louis has 1:10:29.640 --> 1:10:32.760 suffered in the papers and in his personal life, but 1:10:32.840 --> 1:10:34.880 for this one night he can be proud to have 1:10:34.920 --> 1:10:41.920 worn the shield. Like you think he suffered more than 1:10:41.960 --> 1:10:44.960 the people spent twenty I mean there were people spending 1:10:45.000 --> 1:10:47.639 twenty seven years in prison, twenty three years in prison, 1:10:47.760 --> 1:10:50.000 fourteen years in prison, ten years in prison. 1:10:50.439 --> 1:10:53.839 Yeah, this is awful. 1:10:54.040 --> 1:10:57.519 Yeah. Qualified immunity and statue of limitations also helped him 1:10:57.520 --> 1:11:01.559 evade legal consequences. And they just keep saying he's broke 1:11:01.800 --> 1:11:03.960 no laws and he should be in jail and it's 1:11:03.960 --> 1:11:04.439 fucked up. 1:11:04.560 --> 1:11:05.599 Oh my god. 1:11:06.360 --> 1:11:08.599 And then they're like people spit on him in the streets. 1:11:08.680 --> 1:11:13.479 I go, he's luckiest, throat's not slit ha ha. So 1:11:13.520 --> 1:11:16.799 then we have the teardrop rapist case and it's related 1:11:16.840 --> 1:11:23.400 to this wrongful conviction and eventual exoneration of Louis Vargas. 1:11:23.720 --> 1:11:29.040 Can you believe the names Louis, I'm like Louis, there 1:11:29.040 --> 1:11:31.559 are oh no, this is Louise. Now, this is Louise. 1:11:32.280 --> 1:11:34.960 We did not pick this as a way to promote 1:11:34.960 --> 1:11:38.160 our shirt. This is actually just happening as it does. 1:11:38.800 --> 1:11:42.080 This is Louise, because I've memorized Lois, like now I know, 1:11:43.880 --> 1:11:49.960 but Louise, So November twenty five because this actually you 1:11:50.000 --> 1:11:52.920 know when you're like, but the evidence in Matt how 1:11:52.920 --> 1:11:55.240 did this and more things happen like this kind of 1:11:55.240 --> 1:11:59.800 covers that situation. So November twenty fifteen, Louis Vargus rape 1:11:59.840 --> 1:12:04.840 canictions finally overturned after serving sixteen years in prison. His attorneys, 1:12:05.240 --> 1:12:08.240 after years of reaching out to the California Innocence Project, 1:12:08.280 --> 1:12:10.479 revealed that he did not commit the three rapes he 1:12:10.560 --> 1:12:13.920 was convicted for. The teardrop rapist actually is linked to 1:12:13.960 --> 1:12:16.960 more than thirty sexual assaults in LA starting in nineteen 1:12:17.040 --> 1:12:20.360 ninety six. The victims ranged in age from fourteen to 1:12:20.479 --> 1:12:23.840 twenty one, and they all happened in the morning, so 1:12:23.880 --> 1:12:26.519 between five and eight am. It's like he got people 1:12:26.560 --> 1:12:30.960 on their morning commutes. They have similar tattoos, so that's 1:12:31.000 --> 1:12:32.880 what fucked up. They both have tear drop tattoos. And 1:12:32.920 --> 1:12:36.280 then the victim positive IDs is what put this man away. 1:12:37.080 --> 1:12:40.439 And shaky eyewitness testimonies are the number one factor in 1:12:40.439 --> 1:12:44.040 wrongful convictions across the country, and that is true, but 1:12:44.640 --> 1:12:50.520 so jurors disregarded that there was witnesses to his alibi, 1:12:51.320 --> 1:12:53.880 including the manager at the bagel shop who said he 1:12:53.960 --> 1:12:55.960 was working there the morning of the attacks. 1:12:56.240 --> 1:12:57.120 Oh my god. 1:12:57.600 --> 1:12:59.680 After he was exonerated, he had to go to an 1:12:59.720 --> 1:13:02.799 immigration judge though, because he was like a permanent residence, 1:13:02.800 --> 1:13:05.280 so when he got convicted, they ended his green card, 1:13:05.600 --> 1:13:07.280 so he couldn't even be set free. He had to 1:13:07.280 --> 1:13:10.519 go straight to immigration after his wrongful conviction to be 1:13:10.560 --> 1:13:14.240 able to stay in the country. And the real rapist 1:13:14.320 --> 1:13:19.519 has never been caught, no way. So like Vargas, he 1:13:19.640 --> 1:13:21.840 was a suspect and then after his arrest and okay, 1:13:21.880 --> 1:13:24.599 so this is important. So like after his arrest, conviction 1:13:24.720 --> 1:13:29.880 and sentence, the attacks kept happening, so it's like. 1:13:29.920 --> 1:13:30.880 What the fuck? 1:13:31.360 --> 1:13:34.640 And so two took place before he was arrested, and 1:13:34.640 --> 1:13:37.120 then three more while he was in custody before the 1:13:37.160 --> 1:13:43.639 conviction even and you know, he works for the anti 1:13:43.680 --> 1:13:48.519 recidivism coalition. He speaks regularly about, you know, his wrongful 1:13:48.520 --> 1:13:51.000 conviction and is committed to helping others on their path 1:13:51.040 --> 1:13:54.160 back to society. And it took fifteen years of work 1:13:54.200 --> 1:13:57.080 to free him. And he was the longest serving wrongfully 1:13:57.120 --> 1:14:00.920 incarcerated in May in California history, according to the San 1:14:01.000 --> 1:14:05.160 Diego Union Tribune. And he did sue I couldn't find 1:14:05.160 --> 1:14:07.040 any information on the settlement though. 1:14:07.720 --> 1:14:15.679 Oh god, fuck, just bad cops boils my blood. 1:14:15.720 --> 1:14:17.599 And then awards and then it's like then you want 1:14:17.680 --> 1:14:20.200 us to be like only a few bad and it's 1:14:20.240 --> 1:14:23.559 like you gave them awards. The chief of D's gave 1:14:23.640 --> 1:14:26.360 him four awards for investigating. 1:14:26.160 --> 1:14:28.120 Cause like it's kind of like what the show makes 1:14:28.160 --> 1:14:30.200 it out to be, Like they don't really care about 1:14:30.240 --> 1:14:32.840 the I don't know, they don't care about like the 1:14:32.920 --> 1:14:34.560 humanity of it. They're like, what are your numbers? What 1:14:34.600 --> 1:14:36.720 are your numbers? Are you closing enough cases? And this 1:14:36.760 --> 1:14:39.080 guy was probably like closing his shits on of cases 1:14:39.120 --> 1:14:43.599 because he was rigging the whole system, paying witnesses like 1:14:44.439 --> 1:14:49.280 forcing IDs. Like that's wild shit. Oh my god, I 1:14:49.320 --> 1:14:52.519 hate him. I hate him. I can't believe they weren't 1:14:52.520 --> 1:14:56.599 able to prosecute him, because he would get killed in jail. 1:14:57.680 --> 1:14:59.920 He would have to be in solitary, he would hope. 1:15:00.120 --> 1:15:04.080 So a cop that's like fucked all these people up, 1:15:04.360 --> 1:15:05.639 he would just be murdered. 1:15:05.680 --> 1:15:10.000 I think immediately that would be a cool movie. 1:15:11.520 --> 1:15:14.160 Okay, Well, thank you for doing all that research. I 1:15:14.200 --> 1:15:16.280 did not know about these cases, and. 1:15:16.160 --> 1:15:18.360 I didn't either, And I mean, if you're mad I 1:15:18.360 --> 1:15:20.960 didn't go more in depth into all the wrongful convictions, 1:15:21.000 --> 1:15:23.120 I'm sorry, but you can read them. 1:15:23.360 --> 1:15:28.519 Yeah, well that clearly was who they based Monty on. 1:15:28.760 --> 1:15:31.439 That this guy who's like talking while eating a honk 1:15:31.439 --> 1:15:33.040 of steak. He made me want to die. 1:15:33.720 --> 1:15:38.840 Okay, like young teen finds his mom and sister Like, like, 1:15:40.280 --> 1:15:42.320 I don't get it. I don't get why that would 1:15:42.360 --> 1:15:44.280 be your first suspect. Yeah. 1:15:44.360 --> 1:15:46.080 I think they're probably like, we have no other leads, 1:15:46.080 --> 1:15:50.240 what are we gonna do? Let's get them, you know. Well, 1:15:50.320 --> 1:15:53.160 let's don't anybody go anywhere, because we've got a fun 1:15:53.160 --> 1:16:03.280 interview coming right up. Our guest today is an actor 1:16:03.320 --> 1:16:06.280 best known for playing serial killer Jerry Brutos in both 1:16:06.320 --> 1:16:09.679 mind Hunter and Monster the Ed Genes Story. He also 1:16:09.720 --> 1:16:12.000 has had recurring roles on Snow Piercer and The Nick 1:16:12.439 --> 1:16:15.000 Star of Stage and Screen. But you know him today 1:16:15.360 --> 1:16:19.559 as the very calm and collected rapist and murderer Tim Stanton. 1:16:20.040 --> 1:16:24.000 Please enjoy our chat with the lovely Happy Anderson. Hi. Happy, 1:16:24.160 --> 1:16:24.960 nice to meet you. 1:16:25.760 --> 1:16:26.880 Great to meet both of you. 1:16:27.600 --> 1:16:29.639 It was great to get that follow and I followed 1:16:29.640 --> 1:16:33.000 you back and I watched ton of clips and I 1:16:33.040 --> 1:16:33.479 loved it. 1:16:35.120 --> 1:16:36.280 That makes us happy. 1:16:36.920 --> 1:16:41.360 Yeah, so we're all talking. You just said that makes 1:16:41.439 --> 1:16:43.920 us happy. Your name is I had happy come from 1:16:43.960 --> 1:16:46.040 as a name, like just a little nickname, because you 1:16:46.120 --> 1:16:47.160 were like a happy kid. 1:16:47.040 --> 1:16:50.519 Or what's the Yeah, since I was, since I was 1:16:50.560 --> 1:16:52.760 a baby, since I was six months old, I've gone 1:16:53.040 --> 1:16:56.240 as happy. And as a matter of fact, early in 1:16:56.240 --> 1:16:59.320 my childhood I didn't even really totally get that my 1:16:59.439 --> 1:17:02.560 legal name was Eric. I sort of knew there was 1:17:02.600 --> 1:17:05.840 a name out there, yeah, you know. And I remember 1:17:05.880 --> 1:17:07.960 the first day of elementary school when they were taking 1:17:07.960 --> 1:17:13.120 attendance and missus Golden was like Eric Anderson Eric and 1:17:13.120 --> 1:17:14.720 and she finally stands right in front of me and 1:17:14.720 --> 1:17:18.400 it's saying, am like, whoever this fucking ic not listening. 1:17:18.720 --> 1:17:20.920 He's screwing the whole day up? Man, I don't know. 1:17:21.920 --> 1:17:22.840 Does that anyone call you? 1:17:22.960 --> 1:17:23.160 Eric? 1:17:23.240 --> 1:17:24.040 Do you ever go buy it? 1:17:25.280 --> 1:17:26.640 Policeman and bill collectors? 1:17:26.800 --> 1:17:29.240 Oh wow, it's a deep, deep nickname. 1:17:29.320 --> 1:17:31.519 Were you a watcher of the Dick Wolf universe? 1:17:32.760 --> 1:17:35.360 USO? You know? I mean also, when we got here, 1:17:35.520 --> 1:17:36.400 in two now. 1:17:36.479 --> 1:17:38.000 I'm in la now. But when we got to New 1:17:38.080 --> 1:17:40.320 York in two thousand and three, that was like the 1:17:40.400 --> 1:17:42.840 main game in town. You know, the motherships for you 1:17:43.000 --> 1:17:45.560 criminal Intent and you know, so we watched all that 1:17:45.600 --> 1:17:46.679 stuff all the time. 1:17:46.640 --> 1:17:48.719 And the Mothership, it looks like, was like your first credit, 1:17:48.800 --> 1:17:50.680 like one of your first TV credits. 1:17:51.000 --> 1:17:53.040 Yeah, totally, yeah, I think it was my first. 1:17:52.800 --> 1:17:55.559 TV And then you did an SVU like a year 1:17:55.640 --> 1:17:59.680 later or something. Yeah, yeah, well that so hardwired. 1:17:59.800 --> 1:18:03.160 I want you to know. Very few funny, funny moments 1:18:03.240 --> 1:18:06.439 outside of certain detectives happened in SVU, but you're one 1:18:06.479 --> 1:18:06.840 of them. 1:18:07.160 --> 1:18:09.360 Your character in that Do you remember that scene? It 1:18:09.439 --> 1:18:11.400 was like that you were working. 1:18:11.120 --> 1:18:15.400 With a Namblo pedophile and the cops come and they're like, 1:18:15.400 --> 1:18:20.320 where's your laptop and you're just behind him and then yeah, it's. 1:18:20.200 --> 1:18:20.840 A fun moment. 1:18:21.360 --> 1:18:23.960 Whenever when I was doing this episode Murdered had a 1:18:23.960 --> 1:18:25.760 bad address. They were like, have you ever done this 1:18:25.800 --> 1:18:27.840 show before? And it was like, yes, ten years ago. 1:18:28.080 --> 1:18:30.160 Who did you play? I said a man with two lines, 1:18:30.200 --> 1:18:31.080 one of which was cut. 1:18:33.400 --> 1:18:36.120 But it's such a good moment and it's nice to 1:18:36.160 --> 1:18:38.760 have someone be like, no, get this pedophile. You know, 1:18:38.840 --> 1:18:42.240 you always hear people covering for each other, but it's like, yeah, 1:18:42.520 --> 1:18:44.320 you can fucking get out of here. 1:18:44.479 --> 1:18:49.320 But in this episode, you're not a good guy. And oh, dear, no, 1:18:49.880 --> 1:18:54.479 I noticed that you've also played Jerry Brutos in two 1:18:54.560 --> 1:18:58.800 different projects, which is wild. We're obviously familiar with his work. 1:19:00.640 --> 1:19:03.920 Do you do you are you more often playing like 1:19:04.560 --> 1:19:07.880 bad guys by far by far Okay? 1:19:08.360 --> 1:19:11.360 Yeah, and if and anything that's a that's like a 1:19:11.360 --> 1:19:14.880 straight offer like this was is always a bad guy? Yeah, 1:19:14.920 --> 1:19:16.559 A good to play a good guy, I really have 1:19:16.600 --> 1:19:17.400 to work for it. 1:19:18.160 --> 1:19:19.920 That's so interesting. 1:19:19.520 --> 1:19:21.599 And did so when you had to prep once for 1:19:21.640 --> 1:19:25.240 this Jared Jerry Brudos And then again, were you like, Okay, 1:19:25.240 --> 1:19:27.559 I'm set or was there another set of kind of 1:19:27.640 --> 1:19:31.040 like no, I mean they do? Or were they different 1:19:31.040 --> 1:19:33.040 like what was the vibe of the projects and stuff? 1:19:33.600 --> 1:19:36.200 Totally different? I mean it couldn't have been more different 1:19:36.240 --> 1:19:36.799 than the vibe. 1:19:36.920 --> 1:19:39.080 And also the even though it had been a long 1:19:39.080 --> 1:19:42.519 time ago, the prep for mind Hunter Jerry Brudos was 1:19:42.560 --> 1:19:46.680 so extensive. Yeah, I'm so long that that by the 1:19:46.680 --> 1:19:49.599 time we got to Monsters several years later. And also 1:19:49.760 --> 1:19:51.960 Max Winkler, who directed that episode, is like, just so 1:19:52.120 --> 1:19:54.479 you know, this is going to be the opposite of Fincher, 1:19:54.800 --> 1:19:57.240 And he was right, like, we did everything in one 1:19:57.280 --> 1:20:00.360 take more or less, and menueil Fincher does like seventy takes, 1:20:00.439 --> 1:20:02.800 you know, so uh and it was I was really 1:20:03.920 --> 1:20:06.760 pleasantly surprised, but also kind of alarmed how easily I 1:20:06.800 --> 1:20:10.000 slid back to that character and the way he talks 1:20:10.000 --> 1:20:10.479 and everything. 1:20:10.600 --> 1:20:12.719 I was like, oh, maybe this shouldn't come so easily. 1:20:13.200 --> 1:20:15.920 Wait, what is? Because I loved I love Fincher movies 1:20:16.080 --> 1:20:18.840 so much. Oh, I love watching everything. But then you 1:20:18.880 --> 1:20:21.679 hear stories of like you're on Clint's Eastwood said it's 1:20:21.680 --> 1:20:25.080 one and done. Everyone's chill, we're moving through, and everyone 1:20:25.160 --> 1:20:29.040 loves that, and then no one loves seventy takes and 1:20:29.080 --> 1:20:31.280 it feels like he drives people crazy, But then the 1:20:31.320 --> 1:20:34.600 product is so good. What are yeah? What's what? What 1:20:34.640 --> 1:20:37.360 does he need? What is he looking for a profession? 1:20:38.000 --> 1:20:41.800 Maybe well, he's a perfectionist for sure, and and uh 1:20:41.840 --> 1:20:45.640 so you know, one of his bestdies, apparently is Steven Soderbergh, 1:20:45.640 --> 1:20:47.960 who's literally his His motto is I tried to do 1:20:48.000 --> 1:20:51.640 everything in under one take, and so I had just 1:20:51.680 --> 1:20:54.960 come from The Nick onto mind Hunter, and so there 1:20:55.040 --> 1:20:58.080 was they couldn't be That's the Soderbergh's more in the 1:20:58.080 --> 1:21:00.920 Clint Eastwood School. I mean, the day are so short. 1:21:01.560 --> 1:21:04.320 One time, I did my part of three different episodes 1:21:04.320 --> 1:21:07.600 on The Nick in about four hours, which is like, wow, 1:21:08.160 --> 1:21:10.840 unheard of, and it's awesome, and that's an amazing way 1:21:10.840 --> 1:21:13.000 to work. But you need to know exactly what you're 1:21:13.040 --> 1:21:15.000 going to do and get in and get out. What 1:21:15.400 --> 1:21:19.080 made the Fincher thing so exciting was because the work 1:21:19.160 --> 1:21:21.880 was so intense and laborious. It felt more like like 1:21:21.920 --> 1:21:24.800 rehearsing a play for fifteen hours a day and then 1:21:24.920 --> 1:21:27.720 cameras just happened to catch it. It didn't feel like 1:21:27.800 --> 1:21:33.320 doing television at all. Oh interesting, yeah yeah. And the 1:21:33.360 --> 1:21:36.120 discussions around each scene, where you know, I'm a theater kid, 1:21:36.160 --> 1:21:38.720 so I don't not only do I not mind, I 1:21:38.760 --> 1:21:42.160 really like to go on and on about what's happening 1:21:42.240 --> 1:21:45.879 and motivations and the distinct relationships and everything. 1:21:46.640 --> 1:21:51.560 So I loved that, although we all were exhausted. 1:21:51.240 --> 1:21:54.800 Yeah, you need to get on the pit. I heard 1:21:54.800 --> 1:21:59.080 that the pit is like they specifically hire a lot 1:21:59.080 --> 1:22:04.439 of theater actors because it's specifically they're shooting it like 1:22:04.600 --> 1:22:08.320 the theater style more. I guess, oh that would be cool. 1:22:08.400 --> 1:22:09.040 Yeah. 1:22:09.320 --> 1:22:11.240 I think probably also because it's like a lot of 1:22:11.280 --> 1:22:14.000 technical language, so they probably just have to like rehearse 1:22:14.000 --> 1:22:16.800 and rehearse and rehearse to get all that done. But 1:22:17.120 --> 1:22:18.320 I could see you on the pit. 1:22:18.760 --> 1:22:22.720 And then do theme. Is it always specific notes or 1:22:22.760 --> 1:22:24.759 it's just like do it again? And then you find 1:22:24.920 --> 1:22:27.200 stuff out of it because it's like a rehearsal, you're 1:22:27.200 --> 1:22:28.360 always trying something. 1:22:29.920 --> 1:22:32.120 I would say very much both. I mean he's very 1:22:32.200 --> 1:22:35.519 very specific and then but then also you're encouraged to 1:22:35.520 --> 1:22:38.080 play and try stuff too. Yeah, I mean it's that 1:22:38.200 --> 1:22:39.400 time is such a blur. 1:22:39.720 --> 1:22:39.920 You know. 1:22:40.240 --> 1:22:43.240 It was like almost three weeks for three freaking scenes, 1:22:43.560 --> 1:22:44.120 you know what I mean. 1:22:44.160 --> 1:22:47.080 So you just go and go and go and go 1:22:47.160 --> 1:22:48.400 till you can't go anymore. 1:22:48.560 --> 1:22:52.320 I loved mind Hunters so much, and Google knows that 1:22:52.400 --> 1:22:55.800 about me, and they kind of constantly give me, like 1:22:55.840 --> 1:22:58.120 you know, right below your Google it'll be like things 1:22:58.120 --> 1:23:00.920 you might be interested in, and it's like mine Hunter 1:23:01.000 --> 1:23:03.040 season three is it on its way back? And I'm 1:23:03.040 --> 1:23:05.679 always clicking on these articles, and they're like, no word yet, 1:23:05.720 --> 1:23:09.400 and I'm like, stop, stop clickbaiting me with talk of 1:23:09.439 --> 1:23:12.719 mind Hunter, But they keep saying that they're like people 1:23:12.760 --> 1:23:16.280 I guess really want a revival at this point of 1:23:16.320 --> 1:23:17.400 season three. I don't know. 1:23:17.960 --> 1:23:20.639 I love well, there's there's a lot of talk about 1:23:20.640 --> 1:23:24.280 a movie to finish. Sure, I don't know how close 1:23:24.320 --> 1:23:26.519 that is to coming to fruition, but I've heard from 1:23:26.520 --> 1:23:30.280 a lot of people directly involved that that's the next 1:23:30.320 --> 1:23:31.479 move they're angling for. 1:23:31.760 --> 1:23:34.400 I just think it's so interesting the guys that finally 1:23:34.400 --> 1:23:39.360 decided to start studying these guys, you know, like, why 1:23:39.439 --> 1:23:43.240 are we not figuring this out? Like I think there 1:23:43.320 --> 1:23:46.200 was just a time of it's an aberration. They're just 1:23:46.280 --> 1:23:48.920 a freak, you know, but like you gotta start like 1:23:48.960 --> 1:23:52.599 why is this happening a pattern? Yeah? Yeah, and all 1:23:52.680 --> 1:23:54.760 the guys, at least a lot of the different ones 1:23:54.760 --> 1:23:59.000 in mind Hunter, they're different, you know, there's not all Yeah. 1:23:59.200 --> 1:24:02.360 So what was it like being in the Bad Boys universe? 1:24:03.720 --> 1:24:05.360 Awesome? That was great. 1:24:06.439 --> 1:24:10.040 I mean, yeah, it was a last minute thing. I 1:24:10.080 --> 1:24:14.519 think I think I replaced a comedian actually, and so 1:24:14.680 --> 1:24:19.160 more or less that entire scene is improvised cool. Yeah, yeah, 1:24:19.240 --> 1:24:23.080 so that was pretty awesome. Two not so bad guys 1:24:23.120 --> 1:24:26.640 to do it with, too and Martin and Will and 1:24:26.680 --> 1:24:29.519 Will I think Will pitched me for that job because 1:24:29.520 --> 1:24:31.840 I had done Bright with him a couple of years 1:24:31.840 --> 1:24:36.080 before that, so that was that was kind of awesome. 1:24:36.320 --> 1:24:38.280 And I didn't I mean, I knew so little of 1:24:38.320 --> 1:24:39.920 what we were about to do that I didn't. It 1:24:39.960 --> 1:24:41.920 didn't bother me. They were improvising because I was like, 1:24:41.920 --> 1:24:43.120 I guess this is how this goes. 1:24:43.240 --> 1:24:44.640 You know, so you like it all because you know, 1:24:44.720 --> 1:24:48.880 with theater, I would assume you want some information, but 1:24:48.920 --> 1:24:51.519 you enjoyed the improvising very much. 1:24:51.560 --> 1:24:53.200 So yeah. Yeah. 1:24:53.400 --> 1:24:55.439 The ideal thing is though the structure of a fully 1:24:55.479 --> 1:24:58.000 realized and developed character, and then to improvise within that. 1:24:58.000 --> 1:24:59.639 That's kind of the most fun. 1:25:00.160 --> 1:25:03.280 I think, what was your original bad guy role that 1:25:03.280 --> 1:25:09.640 that became. Oh yeah, yeah. 1:25:10.040 --> 1:25:10.240 I was. 1:25:10.400 --> 1:25:12.120 I was a Thuggan and that was my first, like 1:25:12.840 --> 1:25:14.960 first time I had like a major arc in anything, 1:25:15.080 --> 1:25:17.480 you know, for like two seasons. 1:25:17.920 --> 1:25:22.719 Okay, and then you're in one of Kara's favorite shows, Clause. 1:25:23.560 --> 1:25:26.879 Oh yeah, I love Clause. 1:25:27.160 --> 1:25:28.439 But you know what I was going to ask you 1:25:28.439 --> 1:25:32.320 about is actually this show bar Kharma, this weird show 1:25:32.400 --> 1:25:33.200 for Current TV. 1:25:34.000 --> 1:25:34.760 Did you see that? 1:25:34.920 --> 1:25:38.439 Dude? I was on it episode of it? Oh my god. 1:25:38.800 --> 1:25:43.840 My boss was the executive producer of that show, like 1:25:45.080 --> 1:25:47.439 not like the showrunner, but like the executive producers. He 1:25:47.520 --> 1:25:50.559 was on set every day and he knew I was 1:25:50.600 --> 1:25:52.559 acting and do and doing comedy and stuff, and so 1:25:52.600 --> 1:25:54.320 he gave me like a little part on that show. 1:25:54.520 --> 1:25:56.040 So when I was looking at your IMDb, I'm like, 1:25:56.040 --> 1:25:58.000 oh my god, I can't believe this is an actual 1:25:58.520 --> 1:26:02.519 person that's done bar Karma. Like it was such a 1:26:02.600 --> 1:26:06.320 weird so show, but I'm glad. 1:26:06.160 --> 1:26:09.839 You that's amazing. 1:26:09.880 --> 1:26:11.040 I'm like, I don't remember what. 1:26:10.880 --> 1:26:11.679 What is that show? 1:26:11.800 --> 1:26:12.360 What is bart? 1:26:12.400 --> 1:26:17.200 What is it? It's nonscript like a game show, no show, 1:26:18.920 --> 1:26:19.719 which was so weird. 1:26:19.720 --> 1:26:21.880 I feel like Current was trying to get into scripted 1:26:22.640 --> 1:26:26.120 and I can't even tell you. 1:26:26.439 --> 1:26:27.080 I can't. 1:26:27.200 --> 1:26:29.920 I don't even remember what it was like about, Like. 1:26:29.880 --> 1:26:33.360 It's I think time travel to some it's like. 1:26:33.360 --> 1:26:35.720 Time travel, yes, something like that. 1:26:35.960 --> 1:26:37.880 Yeah, you're like. 1:26:37.840 --> 1:26:38.559 Did you see that? 1:26:38.880 --> 1:26:39.840 No, I was on. 1:26:42.240 --> 1:26:48.000 Crazy but this as VU episode murdered about address. So 1:26:48.120 --> 1:26:51.720 you we love when they first find you. We like 1:26:51.760 --> 1:26:54.200 thought your performance was so great that you that you 1:26:54.240 --> 1:26:57.240 were just like, yeah, I kind of know, I've been 1:26:57.360 --> 1:26:59.240 I know, it's not like I'm really busy. I got 1:26:59.280 --> 1:27:00.759 stuff to do, Like I mean. 1:27:00.880 --> 1:27:03.639 It was just such a casual, good take because usually 1:27:03.720 --> 1:27:07.880 people are like so stressed and it's obviously you really 1:27:08.240 --> 1:27:11.000 your character was really relaxed. 1:27:12.560 --> 1:27:13.080 Yeah. 1:27:13.200 --> 1:27:15.840 Yeah, well and when they hired me they said it 1:27:15.920 --> 1:27:18.519 specifically because of the mind Hunter thing, So I was like, well, 1:27:18.680 --> 1:27:21.400 if I'm the killer, then yeah, I have to be 1:27:21.400 --> 1:27:23.920 comfortable with it, right, you know, And. 1:27:23.920 --> 1:27:25.439 Because like a lot of times people will be like 1:27:25.760 --> 1:27:27.200 because the whole thing is they try to get you 1:27:27.240 --> 1:27:28.880 to say, oh, give your DNA, and then you'll just 1:27:28.920 --> 1:27:30.800 be cleared and you're like a lot of times you'll 1:27:30.840 --> 1:27:35.120 be like you want my DNA, No, I don't, I don't. 1:27:35.160 --> 1:27:37.840 You know, you were just like the government getting my DNA, 1:27:38.040 --> 1:27:39.960 I don't think. So, you know, like it was so 1:27:40.120 --> 1:27:41.639 relaxed that it was like this is the guy who's 1:27:41.640 --> 1:27:44.800 been getting away with crimes for two decades and he 1:27:44.960 --> 1:27:46.840 knows how to get out of shit, you know, like 1:27:47.400 --> 1:27:49.320 it's just so smooth. We don't know at the time 1:27:49.360 --> 1:27:51.559 when we first meet your character, we don't necessarily know 1:27:51.600 --> 1:27:55.400 you're the bad guy, but you play it smooth. 1:27:55.680 --> 1:27:57.640 Yeah, it could have been a red herring, like you know, 1:27:57.680 --> 1:28:01.000 you're you were just the first person that they talked to. 1:28:01.240 --> 1:28:04.240 But no, because Karen mentioned like he's been getting away 1:28:04.280 --> 1:28:06.480 with it for so long. That's probably where his confidence 1:28:06.479 --> 1:28:10.839 and casualness comes from. And I wonder if he knew 1:28:11.040 --> 1:28:15.880 attacking these like people would give him that. 1:28:16.479 --> 1:28:18.360 Or if you learned that over time, you know what 1:28:18.400 --> 1:28:18.680 I mean. 1:28:18.920 --> 1:28:22.920 Like, I just wonder, well, when studying these people, it's 1:28:22.960 --> 1:28:25.720 like they that's what gives them the confidence, is like 1:28:25.880 --> 1:28:28.040 they do whatever they want and they get away with it. 1:28:28.120 --> 1:28:31.519 So but by the time someone is middle aged or older, 1:28:31.720 --> 1:28:34.759 it's like they're not going to catch me. They'll be silly. 1:28:34.800 --> 1:28:36.840 No, you even have the confidence when you kind of 1:28:36.880 --> 1:28:40.080 like drop the politeness in the next scene where they're 1:28:40.640 --> 1:28:42.320 the next big scene that you have where you're like 1:28:42.840 --> 1:28:47.600 saying all that stuff like I'm not I'm not festinto 1:28:47.680 --> 1:28:50.400 no pedal, Like you're saying all this like slash Suddenly 1:28:50.439 --> 1:28:52.519 you're just you're like the way you talk is different 1:28:52.960 --> 1:28:57.519 the character and you're still like, I don't know. There 1:28:57.560 --> 1:28:59.880 was a part where they were like, we have you 1:29:00.200 --> 1:29:02.280 something back in two thousand and three, and he goes, oh, 1:29:02.280 --> 1:29:04.879 the double murder. You know what, you're like telling on yourself. 1:29:04.880 --> 1:29:07.400 But you're still so confident that you know about this 1:29:07.400 --> 1:29:09.160 double murder. You know exactly what the time because. 1:29:08.960 --> 1:29:09.320 You did it. 1:29:09.600 --> 1:29:11.839 But you're not but you're like you're not even scared 1:29:11.880 --> 1:29:14.840 to talk. And then you're just like using racist and 1:29:14.880 --> 1:29:17.519 homophobic language and you're like I don't care, like I 1:29:17.640 --> 1:29:19.679 literally can. I'm the king of the world. I could 1:29:19.680 --> 1:29:23.639 have got I'm like a twenty year killer rapist who 1:29:24.280 --> 1:29:27.240 I do what I want. But what do you remember 1:29:27.280 --> 1:29:32.519 any like moments of shooting that, Like you had a 1:29:32.560 --> 1:29:35.080 sleeve ball lawyer, the sleeve Ball lawyer. 1:29:35.120 --> 1:29:38.120 That guy was funny man. I had ever met him before. 1:29:38.240 --> 1:29:40.639 He was like, hey, yeah, like he was that guy, 1:29:40.720 --> 1:29:44.040 you know. Uh, and he was a lot of fun 1:29:44.120 --> 1:29:46.439 that the first day of filling was that time when 1:29:46.439 --> 1:29:48.360 they first interviewed me in front of that building that 1:29:48.400 --> 1:29:51.679 was in the Bronx and uh, and I just remember 1:29:51.720 --> 1:29:55.200 everyone coming out to watch us and and uh, you 1:29:55.200 --> 1:29:59.880 know in the neighborhood and and and uh that that 1:30:00.080 --> 1:30:03.120 usually doesn't happen very much because sets are pretty like 1:30:03.320 --> 1:30:06.720 locked down pretty well, but like it everyone's coming out 1:30:06.760 --> 1:30:07.800 of their house and it was great. 1:30:08.080 --> 1:30:10.360 I really enjoyed it. And Ice and I were. 1:30:10.720 --> 1:30:13.679 You know, we're talking and taking pictures and everything, and 1:30:13.680 --> 1:30:15.839 and it's like you could see the PA's like panicking 1:30:15.920 --> 1:30:18.519 and not knowing what to do and and uh and 1:30:18.560 --> 1:30:20.080 it was like, I don't know why, but I was 1:30:20.120 --> 1:30:22.280 perfectly comfortable. I was like, I relax, we'll get to 1:30:22.320 --> 1:30:23.840 it when we get to like who am I? 1:30:23.920 --> 1:30:24.080 You know? 1:30:24.960 --> 1:30:27.639 But uh? But that that was that said a good tone. 1:30:27.680 --> 1:30:29.960 And of course Marishka is awesome. So when I when 1:30:30.000 --> 1:30:32.439 we got back for those interrogation scenes, that. 1:30:32.400 --> 1:30:34.400 Was, that was great. 1:30:35.360 --> 1:30:39.120 Those are probably my favorite, certainly ever since mind Hunter. 1:30:39.200 --> 1:30:42.120 I I seemed to specialize in sitting down and saying 1:30:42.160 --> 1:30:42.639 bad shit. 1:30:42.880 --> 1:30:46.320 Yeah, yeah, hey, I see one of one of the 1:30:46.320 --> 1:30:48.680 Ice Cold fogs. He always says is don't stand if 1:30:48.720 --> 1:30:52.479 you can sit, don't sit if you like you know. 1:30:53.240 --> 1:30:55.360 And if you watch U s VU with that in mind, 1:30:55.600 --> 1:30:58.000 you really start to notice how much leaning and sitting 1:30:58.120 --> 1:31:01.360 he's doing a ton of it. 1:31:01.920 --> 1:31:02.160 Yeah. 1:31:02.600 --> 1:31:05.679 Really, I mean we're obsessed with everyone. 1:31:06.560 --> 1:31:10.280 Do you remember any more like iced Ty Marishka moments 1:31:10.360 --> 1:31:11.880 or specifics or anything like that. 1:31:12.720 --> 1:31:18.479 Uh you say, you know, they were so uh, their 1:31:18.520 --> 1:31:21.519 personalities are so different and they've been working together for 1:31:21.560 --> 1:31:24.800 so long. It was it's very rare, you know, you're 1:31:24.840 --> 1:31:27.840 just passing through on a show and everything is such 1:31:27.880 --> 1:31:30.400 a well run machine. I mean it was. 1:31:30.680 --> 1:31:34.200 It was very very straightforward, and we got through stuff fast, 1:31:34.280 --> 1:31:37.479 and uh, you know Ice would kind of go back 1:31:37.520 --> 1:31:40.160 by himself and Mariska would stay and chat with everybody 1:31:40.160 --> 1:31:43.280 and kind of hold court and be lovely. And I 1:31:43.400 --> 1:31:45.760 sort of really like both versions of that because I 1:31:45.800 --> 1:31:48.760 can appreciate someone wanting to keep to themselves, but I 1:31:48.800 --> 1:31:51.200 also like she's one of the best number ones I've 1:31:51.240 --> 1:31:54.280 worked with, Like her and Will Smith are like they 1:31:54.360 --> 1:31:57.120 set the standard of like like how to be and 1:31:57.320 --> 1:31:59.800 accept that responsibility of being number one on the call 1:31:59.840 --> 1:32:03.800 SAT and making everyone feel welcome and good and you know, 1:32:03.920 --> 1:32:07.719 just setting a great gray vibe. So that was awesome, 1:32:07.760 --> 1:32:09.280 you know, and she's been doing it for so long. 1:32:09.360 --> 1:32:12.720 It was so professional and so clear and Crisp. 1:32:13.439 --> 1:32:16.640 Woll, that's cool. Will Smith, Huh. We always hear that 1:32:16.680 --> 1:32:19.320 Marishka was like an impeccable number one, Like she's the 1:32:19.360 --> 1:32:22.880 reason the show has been on but we'll stiff too. Yeah. 1:32:23.040 --> 1:32:26.040 People say, like he yeah, in his book he talk 1:32:26.080 --> 1:32:27.639 about but he remembers everyone's name. 1:32:27.880 --> 1:32:32.439 Oh like on Bright, he through birthday parties for crew 1:32:32.479 --> 1:32:33.160 members and stuff. 1:32:33.240 --> 1:32:34.360 Oh that's so nice. 1:32:35.000 --> 1:32:37.400 Yeah, yeah he was. He was really really. 1:32:37.280 --> 1:32:38.760 So you've worked with him a couple of times? Then 1:32:38.800 --> 1:32:39.440 I guess. 1:32:39.240 --> 1:32:42.280 Huh, yeah, Well I did Bright and then two years later, 1:32:42.320 --> 1:32:44.760 bad boys came up and went whomever it was they 1:32:44.800 --> 1:32:47.599 couldn't do it. He just said, well, we just get 1:32:47.640 --> 1:32:48.080 this guy. 1:32:48.560 --> 1:32:51.000 I was doing a play in New York and like then, 1:32:51.360 --> 1:32:54.400 after the mattinee and set, I got the call on 1:32:54.439 --> 1:32:56.559 a Friday. After the matinee, on Sunday, I flew down 1:32:56.560 --> 1:32:59.519 to Atlanta and shot all day Tuesday, all day Monday, 1:32:59.720 --> 1:33:01.600 half the day Tuesday, went back to New York to 1:33:01.600 --> 1:33:03.599 get to make the night time performance on Tuesday. 1:33:03.920 --> 1:33:07.040 Wow, so wait, but you're are you currently in Brigadoon 1:33:07.080 --> 1:33:09.720 at Pasadena Playhouse? I am, It's so crazy. I was 1:33:09.760 --> 1:33:11.880 looking at your you know, I was researching you, slash 1:33:11.880 --> 1:33:14.240 stocking your instagrams, trying to see and I saw and 1:33:14.280 --> 1:33:17.240 then Pasadena Playhouse emails me all the time because I've 1:33:17.240 --> 1:33:19.400 seen stuff there and I was like, Oh, the guy 1:33:19.439 --> 1:33:21.320 we're interviewing today's in Brigadoon. And then I was like, oh, 1:33:21.320 --> 1:33:23.280 he's in it right now, Like I did, I put 1:33:23.280 --> 1:33:25.840 it all together. That's exciting. And it's only playing for 1:33:25.920 --> 1:33:28.000 like another week and a half or something. 1:33:28.120 --> 1:33:29.439 Fourteenth fourteenth? 1:33:31.280 --> 1:33:34.839 Wow? Yeah, wait, do you have any dream theater roles? 1:33:34.960 --> 1:33:36.559 The false Staff? 1:33:37.240 --> 1:33:38.599 What is it? False staff? 1:33:38.720 --> 1:33:39.240 False staff? 1:33:39.280 --> 1:33:43.600 He's he shows up in about five Shakespeare plays the 1:33:43.680 --> 1:33:45.960 Henry's Marywise of windsor. 1:33:48.080 --> 1:33:48.479 What else? 1:33:48.760 --> 1:33:52.880 He's he's He's a retired night who's funny in a 1:33:52.920 --> 1:33:56.879 fall down drunk but also in a ton of pain, okay, 1:33:57.120 --> 1:34:00.000 and processing grief and pain while also making people laugh. 1:34:00.280 --> 1:34:04.200 And it's just it's it's like it's like the perfect role, 1:34:04.920 --> 1:34:05.280 I think. 1:34:05.600 --> 1:34:07.960 And you have time. This guy looks old, right, so 1:34:08.040 --> 1:34:08.680 this is like. 1:34:10.280 --> 1:34:14.400 You have like year this, you have decades to make 1:34:14.439 --> 1:34:16.000 it half a fill. 1:34:15.720 --> 1:34:17.719 This from your lips to God's ears, my friend? 1:34:17.880 --> 1:34:21.560 Yeah, you got uh cool? I just saw Titus and 1:34:21.640 --> 1:34:25.479 Dronicus and I it was off Broadway, but like on 1:34:25.520 --> 1:34:28.280 forty second and tenth or forty fifth and tenth, the 1:34:28.320 --> 1:34:32.479 guy from Hadestown was in it. Patrick Page, Okay, Adam. Okay, 1:34:32.560 --> 1:34:36.160 my other But I didn't know Shakespeare were such a freak. 1:34:37.920 --> 1:34:40.439 Good dude, you haven't seen nothing yet. 1:34:40.479 --> 1:34:40.719 Wait? 1:34:40.760 --> 1:34:43.000 What what's creep? What's crazier than that one? 1:34:43.360 --> 1:34:43.639 Oh? 1:34:43.800 --> 1:34:46.960 So last year? It hasn't come out yet, but it's 1:34:47.000 --> 1:34:50.200 maybe even two years ago. I had a smaller part 1:34:50.280 --> 1:34:52.840 in a movie called Lear Rex, which is a film 1:34:52.880 --> 1:34:56.599 adaptation of king Lear where al Pacino plays King Lear 1:34:57.439 --> 1:35:01.040 and uh, and that's an incredibly violent and also like 1:35:01.200 --> 1:35:05.320 dementia ridden character. This version is interesting because it's half 1:35:05.360 --> 1:35:09.320 in like regular current day speak, and then half uh 1:35:09.880 --> 1:35:12.840 the Shakespeare's actual text, because it's about uh, like an 1:35:12.880 --> 1:35:14.880 eight year old actor who all his life has wanted 1:35:14.920 --> 1:35:16.920 to play King Lear, but now he's in a coma 1:35:17.439 --> 1:35:20.080 and the play plays out in his head, in his mind, 1:35:20.160 --> 1:35:22.519 and people from his real life are show up as 1:35:22.600 --> 1:35:24.200 characters in the stop. 1:35:24.080 --> 1:35:25.840 This seems When is this coming out? 1:35:26.600 --> 1:35:28.160 Well? That's just it. I don't know. 1:35:32.640 --> 1:35:35.439 How. That's so crazy, Like al Pacino's in an indie 1:35:35.479 --> 1:35:38.120 that's not selling, Like what the fuck? Like, what's happening? 1:35:38.479 --> 1:35:38.920 I want it? 1:35:40.080 --> 1:35:41.839 It's crazy? 1:35:42.040 --> 1:35:42.439 Is in it? 1:35:43.240 --> 1:35:46.160 Yeah? I know, Rachel? You know what I found out too. 1:35:46.160 --> 1:35:48.680 Ted Levine is in it, who played Buffalo Bill of 1:35:48.720 --> 1:35:51.880 course in science and he blayed based Buffalo Bill on 1:35:52.000 --> 1:35:53.720 Jerry Brutos, Oh my. 1:35:53.720 --> 1:35:58.120 God, and the Keith Sanfield Peter Dinklage, I mean like 1:35:58.160 --> 1:36:01.000 the Ariana Debo's this is like a Rachel Brosna and 1:36:01.080 --> 1:36:02.080 his cast is wild. 1:36:02.600 --> 1:36:06.360 Oh Christmas Cina Wait, this is nuts. This seems cool. 1:36:06.880 --> 1:36:08.720 And it was a writer director. 1:36:09.400 --> 1:36:10.400 Yeah, Bernard Rose. 1:36:10.880 --> 1:36:13.920 Yeah, he so he wrote the modern day parts and 1:36:14.760 --> 1:36:18.000 obviously Shakespeare wrote the dream parts, but I only was 1:36:18.040 --> 1:36:19.360 only in the Shakespeare sections. 1:36:19.600 --> 1:36:22.360 Okay, well he made candy Man, so. 1:36:23.120 --> 1:36:25.880 He did make Candy Man animate, immortal, beloved. 1:36:25.520 --> 1:36:29.520 So yeah, we need Annie did Anna Karinna. 1:36:29.600 --> 1:36:33.559 Damn. You've worked with such great people for so many years. 1:36:33.600 --> 1:36:36.400 Have you ever been starstruck or yeah? 1:36:37.040 --> 1:36:38.920 With DeNiro, I was yeah. 1:36:38.800 --> 1:36:40.000 Wow, that was the comedian. 1:36:40.920 --> 1:36:44.280 Yeah, and the final callback everyone had to read with 1:36:44.439 --> 1:36:48.439 Bob de Niro, and I watched people melt down and 1:36:48.479 --> 1:36:51.360 he's been my hero since I was about nine, so 1:36:51.880 --> 1:36:55.120 it was surreal to walk into an audition and have 1:36:55.240 --> 1:36:58.880 him be there. But I I handled my shit well 1:36:58.880 --> 1:37:00.439 because I knew that if I act like how I 1:37:00.479 --> 1:37:02.160 wanted to act, there was no way he's going to 1:37:02.160 --> 1:37:05.640 want to be around me. So I had a great 1:37:06.280 --> 1:37:08.040 you know, you hear all kinds of things about all 1:37:08.080 --> 1:37:10.360 these big stars. In my experience was that he was 1:37:10.439 --> 1:37:13.120 lovely and I had a really, really great time with him, 1:37:13.160 --> 1:37:14.400 and I'm greatful. 1:37:14.439 --> 1:37:16.479 I mean, that was a highlight for sure. Usually I 1:37:16.479 --> 1:37:17.440 don't get starstruck. 1:37:17.439 --> 1:37:20.760 I get starstruck sometimes around professional athletes, but they're like 1:37:20.840 --> 1:37:22.840 old men now because they're like from the nineteen eighty 1:37:22.840 --> 1:37:24.400 six New York message. 1:37:25.600 --> 1:37:26.040 That's wild. 1:37:26.080 --> 1:37:28.160 So you love sports and the theater. So in high 1:37:28.160 --> 1:37:30.040 school did you play sports? Was it hard to balance 1:37:30.080 --> 1:37:30.360 at all? 1:37:31.960 --> 1:37:33.880 It was very easy to let sports go because I 1:37:33.880 --> 1:37:36.519 was much better at acting than I was the sport 1:37:36.840 --> 1:37:39.080 I loved. I loved playing, but I was like third 1:37:39.120 --> 1:37:42.160 string everything. My favorite one to play was football because 1:37:42.160 --> 1:37:44.840 I could actually do something like I could knock a 1:37:44.880 --> 1:37:45.320 guy over. 1:37:45.360 --> 1:37:50.040 That was But yeah, I just hate running. That's my 1:37:50.040 --> 1:37:51.800 fat all sports. I don't like running very. 1:37:51.760 --> 1:37:54.840 Much, running up and down the court and everything. It's like, 1:37:54.920 --> 1:37:57.479 come on, man, I can't do here. Put it in. 1:37:57.600 --> 1:37:59.240 Yeah. 1:37:59.640 --> 1:38:03.000 Wait, if you were to come back to SVU for 1:38:03.040 --> 1:38:05.880 a third time, who would you like to be? 1:38:07.160 --> 1:38:09.880 I'd like to be like a specialized like agent, like 1:38:10.120 --> 1:38:13.000 if he needed the FBI or the BA or something 1:38:13.400 --> 1:38:15.800 like like like the weather like has a cigarette in 1:38:15.880 --> 1:38:17.280 his mouth. It's like, all right, I'm going to straighten 1:38:17.360 --> 1:38:18.600 all this shit out, you know, like that. 1:38:19.960 --> 1:38:20.360 What do you do? 1:38:20.360 --> 1:38:22.000 You have anything coming up after Brigadoon? 1:38:23.600 --> 1:38:24.960 I don't know what my next job is. 1:38:25.040 --> 1:38:27.800 Right before Brigadoon, I did a few episodes of this 1:38:27.840 --> 1:38:30.479 thing called this new series called The Spot, which will 1:38:30.479 --> 1:38:32.080 be on Hulu. 1:38:33.800 --> 1:38:37.480 I wonder if I think next year it's. 1:38:37.439 --> 1:38:39.240 I don't know if it's upcoming. 1:38:39.479 --> 1:38:40.000 Oh my god. 1:38:40.080 --> 1:38:44.120 Claire Danes, yeah, yeah, and the showrunner who's doing it. 1:38:44.160 --> 1:38:46.400 I'd worked with him and Claire two years ago on 1:38:46.479 --> 1:38:50.120 a different thing called Full Circle, and we filmed in 1:38:50.200 --> 1:38:52.640 my old hometown in upstate New York. It was the 1:38:52.680 --> 1:38:57.639 craziest thing. Uh like uh like video no no no. 1:38:58.760 --> 1:39:00.840 Base camp was in the park a lot of the 1:39:00.960 --> 1:39:02.559 bank where I opened my first bank. 1:39:02.360 --> 1:39:03.519 Account at sixteen years old. 1:39:03.600 --> 1:39:04.200 Where are you from? 1:39:05.080 --> 1:39:08.679 I'm from High Falls, New York. It's a tiny little town. 1:39:09.000 --> 1:39:11.519 The gas station where I stole my first beer was 1:39:11.600 --> 1:39:15.599 right across the street. Well, so if you leave, if 1:39:15.680 --> 1:39:19.559 you get on the Metro North out of Grand Central. 1:39:19.760 --> 1:39:22.519 The last stop of the Metro North is Poughkeepsie. So 1:39:22.560 --> 1:39:24.840 then after Poughkeepsie is New Pauls, and then after New 1:39:24.880 --> 1:39:27.160 Paul's is High Falls where I grew up. Okay, so 1:39:27.760 --> 1:39:29.519 I grew up like in the woods and shit, like 1:39:29.560 --> 1:39:31.519 in mountains and farms and everything. 1:39:31.880 --> 1:39:36.640 Well, you have so many So the All Nighter, Capsize, 1:39:36.840 --> 1:39:37.639 Magic Circle. 1:39:39.800 --> 1:39:41.760 Well, the Magic Circle was a short. I don't know 1:39:41.760 --> 1:39:43.960 if that ever came out or not. But the three 1:39:43.960 --> 1:39:45.760 movies that are supposed to come out either the end 1:39:45.800 --> 1:39:47.800 of this year or early next year are The Lyrics, 1:39:47.880 --> 1:39:49.679 Capsized and The All Nighter. 1:39:50.439 --> 1:39:53.280 Yeah, this is exciting. I can't wait for this lear 1:39:53.800 --> 1:39:55.280 situation now that I'm. 1:39:55.200 --> 1:39:57.080 Dude, me too, what's it coming? 1:39:59.240 --> 1:40:03.920 It's so well, well, this was awesome, thank you? Yeah, Capsize. 1:40:03.960 --> 1:40:06.880 The first three people in the cast are SVU heavy hitters. 1:40:07.720 --> 1:40:13.479 Kidding Yeah, well Lily rad Lily, Lily Rob Sarah, Sarah, 1:40:13.560 --> 1:40:18.040 Catherine Hook Yeah, yep, yeah, that'll be a good No, 1:40:18.240 --> 1:40:19.240 our minds are broken. 1:40:19.400 --> 1:40:22.679 I mean, if I'm just con every playbill I'm looking 1:40:22.720 --> 1:40:25.760 for SVU, I'm like, who, what's going on? 1:40:26.520 --> 1:40:27.720 You'll very easily find it? 1:40:27.760 --> 1:40:30.280 Do you have any last minute memories from your SVU 1:40:30.360 --> 1:40:33.120 time that you want to impart on us before you 1:40:33.360 --> 1:40:36.960 we say goodbye. And your go to craft service snack. 1:40:37.800 --> 1:40:43.360 Yeah, oh okay, well the go to craft service snack 1:40:43.400 --> 1:40:49.000 would be gosh uh. The Blacklist had a very specific 1:40:49.120 --> 1:40:51.559 kind of doughnut that I've always tried to get ever since, 1:40:52.000 --> 1:40:53.680 and they're hard to find and I came for what 1:40:53.680 --> 1:40:54.120 they're called. 1:40:54.120 --> 1:40:57.000 But that was awesome SVU. 1:40:57.040 --> 1:40:59.080 I would encourage if you can get a job on it, 1:40:59.240 --> 1:41:02.040 do it because it is the most fun, the most like, 1:41:02.600 --> 1:41:06.920 well run, everyone's really cool and you get to tell 1:41:07.000 --> 1:41:09.040 great stories and they're. 1:41:08.840 --> 1:41:12.720 Constantly meeting people. It seems, so go do it. 1:41:12.840 --> 1:41:16.120 Yeah, do people give you seven the seven Dwarf happy gifts? 1:41:16.160 --> 1:41:18.800 Like do you have a lot of happy everything you 1:41:18.840 --> 1:41:19.559 can figure about? 1:41:19.600 --> 1:41:23.560 To Gilmore the song Oh my God. 1:41:23.960 --> 1:41:24.040 The. 1:41:26.600 --> 1:41:27.439 Farrell song. 1:41:28.120 --> 1:41:32.880 That's so funny, especially because everyone for the first three 1:41:32.960 --> 1:41:35.200 years that song came out, everyone thought they were the 1:41:35.240 --> 1:41:36.839 first person to think to sing. 1:41:36.600 --> 1:41:37.280 That to me. 1:41:37.360 --> 1:41:40.000 Of course, oh the guy I had the song? 1:41:40.120 --> 1:41:44.719 Right, Okay, I hope you never meet Pharrell. You're gonna 1:41:44.720 --> 1:41:52.720 have to show love happy obsessed. Well, I just. 1:41:52.760 --> 1:41:56.600 Love multitudes you know, be a theater dork. Love sports. 1:41:56.720 --> 1:42:01.200 Love that. Yeah, he I just love that. He's Yeah, 1:42:01.200 --> 1:42:03.280 he seems like truly a man that lives up to 1:42:03.280 --> 1:42:05.120 his name. He seems like a happy man who's just 1:42:05.160 --> 1:42:07.800 like doing a bunch of But also it is kind 1:42:07.800 --> 1:42:10.200 of hilarious that his name is Happy and he plays 1:42:10.240 --> 1:42:13.479 all these brutal murderers all the time. And he says 1:42:13.520 --> 1:42:16.080 that's like how he gets cast a lot, and then 1:42:16.120 --> 1:42:16.880 his name is Happy. 1:42:18.200 --> 1:42:21.559 I know it's just because he's giant. Oh yeah, he's six'. 1:42:21.720 --> 1:42:22.120 Four he's. 1:42:22.120 --> 1:42:23.920 Menacing oh. Wow. 1:42:24.000 --> 1:42:25.760 Yeah you know what's crazy IS i don't really think 1:42:25.760 --> 1:42:28.200 you get the height of him in THE. SVU i 1:42:28.240 --> 1:42:31.200 did it In My. Hunter oh, okay did he seem 1:42:31.200 --> 1:42:32.720 really tall to you IN? SVU i think when he 1:42:32.760 --> 1:42:34.920 was talking To rollins at first he was like on 1:42:35.000 --> 1:42:35.760 a step. 1:42:35.640 --> 1:42:37.240 No and then you notice for, ME i noticed a 1:42:37.280 --> 1:42:39.639 lot when he was sitting in interrogation, like, yeah he's 1:42:39.680 --> 1:42:40.080 like a big. 1:42:40.080 --> 1:42:43.160 Guy and in the lineup now that i'm thinking about, 1:42:43.160 --> 1:42:44.599 it in the lineup when he's LIKE i don't want 1:42:44.600 --> 1:42:47.160 to say, this, yeah he seemed. Bigger and the fact 1:42:47.320 --> 1:42:48.800 when he was, like OH i was the best step. 1:42:48.840 --> 1:42:56.439 Football it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah but yeah, cool but. 1:42:56.479 --> 1:43:01.320 Yeah this episode is like, really it's just sad that 1:43:01.680 --> 1:43:07.280 people don't that there's just like the limited resources of 1:43:07.400 --> 1:43:11.880 certain neighborhoods also means you don't get the same justice 1:43:11.920 --> 1:43:13.960 as in other. Neighborhoods you, know like people are just 1:43:13.960 --> 1:43:16.240 gonna like throw you in jail for shit you didn't. 1:43:16.280 --> 1:43:18.880 Do you're not going to fully, research like because there 1:43:18.920 --> 1:43:22.280 were other rapes that this guy did and it didn't 1:43:22.280 --> 1:43:23.880 feel like anybody was really investigating. 1:43:23.920 --> 1:43:26.600 Those and again back to, homophobia you can't be. 1:43:26.680 --> 1:43:27.040 Gay he. 1:43:27.080 --> 1:43:29.640 Couldn't he would rather like this guy would rather, not 1:43:29.720 --> 1:43:31.840 would rather like he had to make a, choice and 1:43:31.880 --> 1:43:34.920 it's like he couldn't give his. 1:43:34.960 --> 1:43:40.120 Alibi, yeah AND i wonder, if like at, eighteen he 1:43:40.280 --> 1:43:41.840 was just too scared to say he was at this 1:43:41.920 --> 1:43:45.320 hookup beach and didn't realize that it would be even, 1:43:45.360 --> 1:43:48.200 worse like that prison would be worse than like coming 1:43:48.240 --> 1:43:51.080 out to your. Family, no because the way people talk 1:43:51.120 --> 1:43:53.920 about gay, people depending where you grow, up it's like 1:43:54.000 --> 1:43:57.760 the worst thing you can. Imagine, yeah, yeah you're, LIKE 1:43:57.800 --> 1:43:59.519 i might as well go to your whole. 1:43:59.560 --> 1:44:01.760 Life you, know people in jail probably like if it's, 1:44:01.800 --> 1:44:05.760 projects you, know Like i'm doing, stereotypes but like you, 1:44:05.800 --> 1:44:07.320 know you know tons of people that go to, jail 1:44:08.160 --> 1:44:10.840 but like, you and then you probably like that's Not 1:44:11.080 --> 1:44:12.519 and THEN i bet people talk. 1:44:12.520 --> 1:44:15.280 Worse about gay people than people in. 1:44:15.320 --> 1:44:19.240 Prison yeah that's. True there's like a polar kind of 1:44:19.320 --> 1:44:21.720 MEME i always, see and it's not comparing the. Two 1:44:21.720 --> 1:44:24.720 it's just like a fan or like some answer like 1:44:24.760 --> 1:44:27.200 whatever some parents were like bitching, About like it's like 1:44:27.280 --> 1:44:29.680 cousins and like making fun of a gay cousin and 1:44:29.720 --> 1:44:32.439 it's like you have like eight baby daddies and your 1:44:32.520 --> 1:44:33.960 kid is in, Prison like what are you talking? 1:44:34.000 --> 1:44:36.360 About like what is this judgment coming? 1:44:36.400 --> 1:44:37.000 From you, know. 1:44:38.560 --> 1:44:40.760 But in a lot of places or like. 1:44:41.040 --> 1:44:43.360 Whatever it just is, Culture LIKE i don't, know people 1:44:43.400 --> 1:44:45.400 hate gay, people the idea of being get it's like 1:44:45.479 --> 1:44:48.519 all of. It it's LIKE i understand how an eighteen 1:44:48.560 --> 1:44:51.160 year old boy from that neighborhood is just like fuck. 1:44:51.280 --> 1:44:53.639 That let's get to our what would sit your peg? 1:44:53.680 --> 1:44:56.880 Do this is the segment where we direct you towards an, 1:44:56.960 --> 1:45:02.240 organization a book of doc something to give you more 1:45:02.280 --> 1:45:05.160 info about what we talked. About AND i am LIKE 1:45:05.240 --> 1:45:06.760 i don't know if It's orange Or New black or, 1:45:06.760 --> 1:45:10.360 whatever But i'm very, like sort of hyper focused on 1:45:10.400 --> 1:45:13.960 recidivism and how hard it is to actually be cleared 1:45:13.960 --> 1:45:16.639 of crimes or to pay for your crimes with jail 1:45:16.680 --> 1:45:18.919 time and then get out of, prison and how difficult 1:45:18.960 --> 1:45:20.960 it is to re enter the. 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