Speaker 1: Hello, Hey, what's going on?
Speaker 2: What's up? Man?
Speaker 3: What's your name?
Speaker 2: Rob? Rob?
Speaker 3: Rob? You said that you're being sued by the Pokemon company,
Speaker 3: not stude.
Speaker 4: I gotta stop selling my product stuff.
Speaker 3: Okay, here we go. I got hit by the Pokemon
Speaker 3: company for a cease and desist because my blankets were
Speaker 3: making good money. And now my Etsy store is closed
Speaker 3: and I'm trying to figure out what I'm going to
Speaker 3: do in life. Okay, great call topic. I'm very very
Speaker 3: invested in this. Tell me about how you got started
Speaker 3: making Pokemon blankets.
Speaker 4: Oh well, I was just trying to like figure out
Speaker 4: my own kind of side hustle, and I started designing
Speaker 4: stuff through AI and I really love the Pokemon stuff
Speaker 4: like sleeping Pokemont flapping me on some blankets.
Speaker 3: Okay, I have instantly, I think this is about one
Speaker 3: hundred percent less school. Now okay, all right, you totally
Speaker 3: all okay, Okay, Oh wow. I thought this was gonna
Speaker 3: be I thought I was gonna be I thought this
Speaker 3: was gonna be awesome. And now I'm like, you absolutely
Speaker 3: you deserve the cease and desist you. I'm glad your
Speaker 3: atsy store has been closed. And uh, He's like I
Speaker 3: talked about it. I talked about AI a lot. I
Speaker 3: talked about a fair amount on the show. I know,
Speaker 3: like like I use the chatbots and stuff like, I
Speaker 3: like there's helpful ship in there, but I despise generative AI.
Speaker 3: Like AI like can be helpful for certain ship, but
Speaker 3: like generative AI to like make art I despise that,
Speaker 3: did you like do what? Like what did you what
Speaker 3: did you do? Like did you make any changes or anything?
Speaker 4: I'd go on a little there right, because like it
Speaker 4: can only go so far, so beyond programs and edit
Speaker 4: it and stuff like that, but just like the general
Speaker 4: basis of like the artwork and stuff, I take that
Speaker 4: and then kind of intermulate with different backgrounds or change
Speaker 4: what they did a bit.
Speaker 3: Damn, I'm so disappointed.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: I read that text. I thought this was going to
Speaker 3: be like fighting the man.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I know I'm going to get caught eventually,
Speaker 4: and here it is, and I was like, oh, you know,
Speaker 4: like this is a little bit cool where it's just
Speaker 4: like I got noticed a bit about my favorite game company.
Speaker 3: I do think that is the interesting thing about the
Speaker 3: C synthesis is like, yeah, you got noticed.
Speaker 4: One. I'm like, damn, must have did something right besides you.
Speaker 3: Ai no no, I think this was how much money
Speaker 3: did you make doing this?
Speaker 4: What was it through the about a half a year?
Speaker 4: About thirty grand?
Speaker 3: You made thirty grand in six months? Yeah, by making
Speaker 3: AI generated Pokemon blankets.
Speaker 4: Yeah, isn't that crazy?
Speaker 3: You You deserve that ceason desist so much. You deserve
Speaker 3: that ceason desist. Like like this is what like cause
Speaker 3: you know, okay, because like sometimes right, like people will
Speaker 3: make like like like like I'm I'm a huge Smash Bros.
Speaker 3: Fan and people will make like cool mods of like
Speaker 3: Smash Bros. Or they'll make like their own like you know,
Speaker 3: like there's all this like fan Pokemon games, right and
Speaker 3: like like there's people who are like they really care
Speaker 3: about the like they really care about the IP, they
Speaker 3: really care about the games, and they're like making these
Speaker 3: really cool like fan games or this really cool fan
Speaker 3: art and they get hit by season desists, and uh,
Speaker 3: like that's a bummer that makes you go, like, fuck Nintendo.
Speaker 3: You're the kind of person who the ceason desist is
Speaker 3: totally for that Fox hit up for the people who
Speaker 3: are like actually trying to make it.
Speaker 4: No one hundred percent. God, I was just doing it
Speaker 4: while I was bored. I'd like, pump one out once
Speaker 4: in a while, ago once in a while and see
Speaker 4: what happens, And yeah, now it's here. I was like,
Speaker 4: all right, what do I do now?
Speaker 3: Also, I'm also I'm very surprised by this because it's
Speaker 3: so dumb that you made thirty thousand dollars doing this,
Speaker 3: Because ay, there must be eight hundred trillion. First of all,
Speaker 3: there must be eighty billion people out there who are
Speaker 3: like making Pokemon fan merch like that are like actual
Speaker 3: artists that are like making shit that's like good, and
Speaker 3: like why and a wouldn't why wouldn't people buy their
Speaker 3: shit instead of your ship? And then b there's probably
Speaker 3: like eighty billion scammer guys like you making like an
Speaker 3: AI fucking like bullshit thing. Why wouldn't they buy Why
Speaker 3: would they buy your AI bullshit and not some other
Speaker 3: person's a bullshit?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I know, like one thing I think is just like
Speaker 4: what it looks like too, right, Like the design of
Speaker 4: it maybe is what drew it. Yeah, it was a
Speaker 4: crazy process.
Speaker 2: For the year. I was like, damn, dude, why don't
Speaker 2: you like.
Speaker 3: Dude? Every time I meets every fucking time I meet,
Speaker 3: I meet I like in New York, I meant I
Speaker 3: meet a lot of like AI folks who are like
Speaker 3: and like I like, I like, I'll be real like
Speaker 3: I you, I you. I don't use AI to like
Speaker 3: I don't like generative AI. But like, you know, when
Speaker 3: I when I have like a weird bump on my
Speaker 3: phone foot, you know, I'm not gonna say, I don't
Speaker 3: go into Gemini and be like, what's this weird bump
Speaker 3: on my foot? But uh, when people are like there's
Speaker 3: some of the people all the time are like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm developing an AI app that does this thing, and
Speaker 3: they'll tell me about it, and I'm like, there's that
Speaker 3: does not need to fucking exist. Like there's so much ship,
Speaker 3: there's so much AI shit where it's like I, I
Speaker 3: just can't. I have no respect for like they're not
Speaker 3: like making anything or doing anything. They're just making these
Speaker 3: tools that don't fucking do anything. There's no art being made,
Speaker 3: there's a community being made, there's no like story being told,
Speaker 3: there's no like it's just there's just there's just like
Speaker 3: I'm I'm not a total doomer and I'm not like
Speaker 3: total anti like like I'm sure that like in the
Speaker 3: fucking medical field or the the whatever, like there's applicable,
Speaker 3: good uses of the technology, but the techn I hate that.
Speaker 3: I'm not like completely utterly fully anti AI everything, but
Speaker 3: like there's so many industries and what I really fucking
Speaker 3: hate is that it's applied needlessly to everything, and people
Speaker 3: think that like not every fucking industry is enhanced by technology,
Speaker 3: especially like the arts, and like it'd be ignorant to
Speaker 3: say that there's no use for it, like you know,
Speaker 3: like whatever, like the medical field, fucking I don't know,
Speaker 3: like bullshit accounting, what like law shit, I don't know.
Speaker 3: There's some shit where it's like, yeah, I would trust
Speaker 3: a computer more to do shit than like a human.
Speaker 3: But like the the fact that like people apply it
Speaker 3: to everything, like, oh, there's an AI dating app, there's
Speaker 3: an AI friend maker thing, or an AI like you
Speaker 3: know general or like AI generated Pokemon shit. It's like
Speaker 3: that stuff. It doesn't need to you know, like the
Speaker 3: technology just people have this stupid way of feeling like
Speaker 3: it literally must be applied to every facet of human existence.
Speaker 3: I'm hopeful, I am. I am hopeful that like the
Speaker 3: facets of human existence where it actually can be applied
Speaker 3: for some form of benefit. Will be the ones that
Speaker 3: are left over, and then the ones that are total bullshit,
Speaker 3: like like AI Pokemon blankets and like AI movies and shit,
Speaker 3: will people will Like I do, I do think that
Speaker 3: like the human taste will prevail and that shit will
Speaker 3: not be around anymore, you know, like the actual use
Speaker 3: cases that are good for society that people actually want
Speaker 3: will will remain. But like the AI slop shit, I
Speaker 3: think people get tired of it and it'll bring back
Speaker 3: you know. I hope that your cease and desist like
Speaker 3: somehow clears room for like other you know, like there's
Speaker 3: some motherfucker out there who's been drawing Charizard since he
Speaker 3: was like three, and now he's like thirty two, and
Speaker 3: he draws, and now he's thirty two and he draws
Speaker 3: like the coolest Charizard shit in the world. Like that guy.
Speaker 3: Hopefully like that all the AI bullshit, Hopefully hopefully your help,
Speaker 3: like by by putting out some AI bullshit thing, Hopefully
Speaker 3: you're making people so burnt out by that bullshit that
Speaker 3: you're actually, in a weird way helping the guy who's
Speaker 3: been drawing Charzard for thirty years because they're like, I
Speaker 3: want to buy a real thing from like a real artist.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's true. Anyway, I went on
Speaker 3: a whole rantom at ai instead.
Speaker 4: Of the worries. I get it, and like the craziest
Speaker 4: part too, is like, you're right, it's everywhere and seeing
Speaker 4: how it's progressed, Like I'm starting to get stuck on
Speaker 4: those TikTok stories where it's all Ai generated and just
Speaker 4: how it progressed in the two years. I'm like, I
Speaker 4: can see how Netflix is hopping on this bandwagon, and
Speaker 4: it's just we're gonna have to go through so much
Speaker 4: crap to get polish stuff.
Speaker 3: You're contributing to it.
Speaker 4: I gotta hop on some band wagon. And that was
Speaker 4: one of them.
Speaker 3: I mean, we do we do. We do live in
Speaker 3: a society where it's like, yeah, if I have an
Speaker 3: opportunity to make money by we do live. I don't
Speaker 3: fully blame you because we do live in a society
Speaker 3: where it's like, if I have the opportunity to make money,
Speaker 3: uh uh in by fucking you know, doing a Pokemon
Speaker 3: blankets like whatever.
Speaker 4: Another example I use, Oh, I don't mean to cut
Speaker 4: you off.
Speaker 3: Oh well, I'm just it's more on my ramp. But like, yeah,
Speaker 3: like how Netflix Netflix AI. Yeah, that's just another example
Speaker 3: of like every company needlessly I mean, dude, it happened
Speaker 3: with like I feel like it happened with like Web
Speaker 3: three and like nft S and shit like that, where
Speaker 3: like it was it was so hot, and every company
Speaker 3: in everything in the world, like everyone on the planet
Speaker 3: was like, how do I integrate this ship into my ship?
Speaker 3: Because just because it was hot? Right, And that's what
Speaker 3: everyone's doing right now with AI. But I don't I
Speaker 3: think I think people will come to realize that not
Speaker 3: every facet of human society has made better with it.
Speaker 3: I mean, there will be some facets of human society
Speaker 3: that are made better with it, but like not not
Speaker 3: ninety nine point ninety nine percent as people like to believe.
Speaker 3: But go ahead, sorry what we're saying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just curious where it goes because like I
Speaker 4: bring up the example like I Kia furniture, right, like
Speaker 4: that's for the mass consumerism of it, and a lot
Speaker 4: of people would be like, well, that's taken away from
Speaker 4: people who do it by hand.
Speaker 3: Sure, I mean they're they're there. I see a world
Speaker 3: where like I mean yeah, I see. I mean, I
Speaker 3: mean if I don't just see a world, I mean
Speaker 3: we we we we we we live in this world
Speaker 3: where like AI slot bullshit like does coexist alongside actual art.
Speaker 3: You know, like people I'll do go to see movies
Speaker 3: in the in the theater, like there is still value
Speaker 3: placed in actual art on the very same day that, Like,
Speaker 3: you know, a person can be on the toilet looking
Speaker 3: at TikTok bullshit, they can like you know, still go
Speaker 3: to a play or whatever. Wait, so what are you
Speaker 3: gonna do with your life now?
Speaker 4: Well, right now, I'm back to just working away and
Speaker 4: raising the kids until I kind of start something else
Speaker 4: out of the side hustle. But yeah, that was the
Speaker 4: craziest one, was just playing around with that stuff and
Speaker 4: seeing it grow and then try to do some parenting
Speaker 4: kind of products. But that didn't work out so well,
Speaker 4: so I'm just taking a break from side hustles.
Speaker 3: It'd be very funny if your children were just like
Speaker 3: AI chatbots that you programmed to call you dad.
Speaker 4: And then I see the lamp.
Speaker 3: And then I see the lamp. Yeah yeah, yeah, how
Speaker 3: old are your kids?
Speaker 1: Are?
Speaker 4: Seven and five?
Speaker 3: Okay, do your kids like Pokemon?
Speaker 4: They're getting more into but I think it's just more
Speaker 4: of a they know their dad loves it.
Speaker 3: Would you buy an ai uh Pokemon blanket for your kid?
Speaker 4: Well, we got a few at home on my own,
Speaker 4: but I mean if it looked good like my kind feel,
Speaker 4: I probably would.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, what did you I don't know if you
Speaker 3: told me this? Sorry? But what did you do for
Speaker 3: like to make money before this?
Speaker 2: I just warehouse?
Speaker 3: And okay, why don't you like? I mean, you can
Speaker 3: make you can make more money doing a real thing.
Speaker 4: Well, like I'm still doing warehouse and it's just like
Speaker 4: it's been ten years of it and it was like
Speaker 4: I was ready to do something else from that kind
Speaker 4: of boom, I'm like, ah, back to square one.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 3: So what's what's your next scheme?
Speaker 4: What's my next scheme?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I was looking at financial advisory that seemed like pretty
Speaker 4: sneaky stuff.
Speaker 3: But what do you mean financial advisory?
Speaker 4: You know the people who sell you like life insurance
Speaker 4: or r R sps. I can get a lot of
Speaker 4: people are like you should join this, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: oh the pyramid, all.
Speaker 3: Right, dude, why don't you do a like why don't
Speaker 3: you do a real thing. By the way, this is
Speaker 3: this goes out to by the way, you know what,
Speaker 3: I'm I'm okay, hold on, I'm gonna get on my
Speaker 3: like on my fucking I'm gonna get on some entrepreneur
Speaker 3: bro shit right now with this because I do I
Speaker 3: fully mean this, and this is just like this is
Speaker 3: my experience in my own life. You will, I do believe,
Speaker 3: like long term, you will make more money, Like if
Speaker 3: you want to do your own thing, you will make
Speaker 3: more money doing something real. Like before I like before
Speaker 3: I was doing the therapy Gecko, and I was like
Speaker 3: before I was doing therapy, I was like nineteen. You know,
Speaker 3: it's funny ten years ago when I was like eighteen
Speaker 3: nineteen selling a if like AI was booming at the
Speaker 3: time that I was like nineteen, I probably would have
Speaker 3: been the kind of guy who was selling AI Pokemon
Speaker 3: blankets because like I remember at that age, I just
Speaker 3: remember having this feeling that I think a lot of
Speaker 3: people have now, this feeling of just like oh fuck,
Speaker 3: I'm about to enter into the world and like I
Speaker 3: need to find a way to have money or else
Speaker 3: I'm fucked. So like, let me just scheme around endlessly
Speaker 3: and try to find out like what the best scheme
Speaker 3: is to like make a living, and like I don't
Speaker 3: I don't think any of those. Like I was like
Speaker 3: I didn't do anything schemy, but it was like it
Speaker 3: was like, oh, I'll make like social media videos for
Speaker 3: dentists or whatever, or I'll like you know, or like
Speaker 3: airbnb arbitrage or just like stuff that's like schemey, you know,
Speaker 3: stuff that like there's no real value to it that's
Speaker 3: being created. It's just kind of like a scheme. And
Speaker 3: then like the scheme that ended up like working out
Speaker 3: for me and making me able to make a living
Speaker 3: is like you know, do it inter having having conversations
Speaker 3: with people about like having having conversations with real human
Speaker 3: beings about like shit and like you know, expressing myself
Speaker 3: and making videos I wanted to make and like it
Speaker 3: was it was the and I've probably made a way
Speaker 3: better living like doing a thing that felt like real
Speaker 3: to me. Then I would have made like doing some
Speaker 3: crypto real estate fucking like bull bullshit fucking thing. So
Speaker 3: like what the whole like schemey, I do think the
Speaker 3: whole like scheme me, let me figure out a thing
Speaker 3: to do this is just for money. Thing you I do,
Speaker 3: I end up you feel like you end up making
Speaker 3: less money than if you just like are like, oh,
Speaker 3: what do I actually want to do? And like what
Speaker 3: would actually be like helpful or expressive of mine or
Speaker 3: or like you know, is there a local business I
Speaker 3: could start or a thing like you know, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear you.
Speaker 4: It's just right back to step one, right, Like what
Speaker 4: is it? The wife just quit her job, so it's
Speaker 4: just staying floating and then working weekends. I just have
Speaker 4: a bunch of time. But I'm just lookings and that
Speaker 4: is that popped off. I was like, oh, this would
Speaker 4: be funny to tell GEK, but.
Speaker 3: Way just for for your next venture. I don't know,
Speaker 3: that's the only I just that's the only thing. Like
Speaker 3: for the next venture is like is it like what
Speaker 3: what like is there anything real that you want to do.
Speaker 4: Well? Right now? I was looking into early childhood education.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there we go, you know, take care and then.
Speaker 3: Yeah that was one of them, like starting a daycare.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: So it's just been a slow process. That is, like
Speaker 4: I said, the light just had to switch her job
Speaker 4: and we're figuring stuff out. But get the education going
Speaker 4: and see how that goes.
Speaker 3: See that'd be great. Like if you see if you
Speaker 3: started so you're not gonna get a fucking That would
Speaker 3: be hilarious if you had like pictures of Pikachu up
Speaker 3: on this because this happens to people, like if you
Speaker 3: start a daycare and you have like pictures of Pikachu
Speaker 3: up on the wall or whatever, like and you get
Speaker 3: like a cease and desist from Pokemon again.
Speaker 4: Oh right, we're shutting down your facilities.
Speaker 2: Sorry kids, dude, that does happen.
Speaker 3: That happens to people with like did like you'll have
Speaker 3: a picture of like Simba from the Lion King up
Speaker 3: at like your preschool, and like Disney will come and
Speaker 3: take it down.
Speaker 4: I've heard stuff like that. I even heard that. Uh
Speaker 4: I think my stuff got caught because they went through
Speaker 4: a huge thing towards to everybody, like if you have
Speaker 4: Pokey in it, they were just like ceason desist.
Speaker 3: But I like the daycare because that's a See that's
Speaker 3: a if you if you told me, like, oh I
Speaker 3: run a daycare, it's like that's a real thing, you know,
Speaker 3: and you'll probably make I really like what you were making,
Speaker 3: like five grand a month doing the AI. But I
Speaker 3: was that was that in revenue or profit.
Speaker 4: Revenue?
Speaker 3: Okay, you'll probably make more money and hate your life
Speaker 3: less doing a real thing.
Speaker 4: Fair enough. Even right now I'm doing like before or
Speaker 4: after school care and it's crazy money there too. Like
Speaker 4: I said, it's just that was a silly thing that
Speaker 4: popped off, and I was like, oh shit, Well.
Speaker 3: I like the daycare idea. That's cool. So this it's fun.
Speaker 2: It's like a.
Speaker 3: Physical it's like a physical space. There's like art. There's
Speaker 3: like cool fun, interesting ways to be business y about
Speaker 3: it and be creative about it. It's cool. I like,
Speaker 3: I think this is I think this is an evolution
Speaker 3: for you. I'm excited.
Speaker 4: I don't know, a picture and being on the like
Speaker 4: in Hawaii or something. But no, you're right, there's more
Speaker 4: satisfaction between like the difference between it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course.
Speaker 2: M hmm.
Speaker 3: What's your name again? Man?
Speaker 2: Rob? Rob? Rob?
Speaker 3: Is there anything else you want to say to the
Speaker 3: people of the computer before we go?
Speaker 4: Yeah, live life, enjoy it to your fullest, and peace out.
Speaker 3: Thanks Rob, see around the universe, see you get. I
Speaker 3: feel like I did a lot of ranting on this episode.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna probably put this call before the call. Okay,
Speaker 3: So I recorded this call before the call that you're
Speaker 3: a wait. No, I recorded this call after the call
Speaker 3: that you're about to hear. And I ranted a lot
Speaker 3: on that one too. I felt like ranting a lot today. Okay,
Speaker 3: next episode, I'm gonna it's not rant as much, or
Speaker 3: I will. I'm not sure. Okay, all right, let's let's
Speaker 3: take the other call.
Speaker 2: Hello, Holy shit, what's up?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 3: What's your name?
Speaker 2: Fuck?
Speaker 1: What is my name? All right?
Speaker 3: Your name is Tim. I'm calling you Tim. Here's what
Speaker 3: I've noticed is people tell me their names. I forget them.
Speaker 3: But if I make up a name, I remember it.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: That's a that's a strategy making up someone choosing a
Speaker 3: name for someone so that you remember it is a
Speaker 3: strategy that you can only really use if you're hosting
Speaker 3: an anonymous call in show. You can't really do it
Speaker 3: if you're at a park, like your friend. Like if
Speaker 3: your friends invite you out to like a show or something,
Speaker 3: or like a bar, and you they're like, you know,
Speaker 3: I'll come meet my friends, and you know, you meete
Speaker 3: a guy and he goes, hey, my name's Adam. You
Speaker 3: can't go, oh, your name is Tim. I'm gonna say that,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna choose you all over it. I mean, you
Speaker 3: can do that. If I met someone at a bar
Speaker 3: and I told them my name was Lyle and they said, actually,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna call you Brian because I can remember that easier,
Speaker 3: I would totally roll with that. I would be like,
Speaker 3: this is the most interesting I don't know. This is
Speaker 3: not the kind of person that I could really keep
Speaker 3: around in my life for a long amount of time,
Speaker 3: but I would roll with it. I would be like,
Speaker 3: this is an interesting person. I want to know more
Speaker 3: about them for an evening and then probably not have
Speaker 3: them in my life recurringly, but at least I would
Speaker 3: be interested in them for that one bit of time.
Speaker 3: Like the kind of person who does that, Like, who
Speaker 3: is that person?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: I feel like I disagree with that. I feel the
Speaker 1: opposite a.
Speaker 3: Way really tell me more?
Speaker 1: Uh, I don't know. I feel like there's some scenarios
Speaker 1: where I could I could be interested in that.
Speaker 4: I could be.
Speaker 1: Based on the vibe of either the person or maybe
Speaker 1: than myself or the environment. But I feel like I
Speaker 1: might be disrespected.
Speaker 3: Interested. Well, well, that's because you're taking it. There's no
Speaker 3: there's no reason to take that personally. You understand that
Speaker 3: right like it, like they might, you might feel disrespected,
Speaker 3: but that's that's stupid to feel disrespected in that moment
Speaker 3: because clearly whatever's going on. Like if you meet someone
Speaker 3: for the first time and you say my name is
Speaker 3: you know, whatever your name is, and they say, I'm actually,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm bad at remembering names. I'm gonna call
Speaker 3: you Brian instead so I can remember that, and you
Speaker 3: feel disrespected by that, I think, I think that's dumb
Speaker 3: because clearly that person is like a little insane and
Speaker 3: has that has nothing to do with you, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, Like you can't. I it's pretty impossible,
Speaker 3: I think to be disrespected by a person that you
Speaker 3: have zero relationship with, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I see your point. I see that's very understandable.
Speaker 3: But I and if someone did, I'm I love. I mean,
Speaker 3: that's why I do the show. I guess is I
Speaker 3: like I'm interested in crazy folks. I met a woman
Speaker 3: at a bar. Go ahead?
Speaker 1: Do you think I'm I feel disrespected by you?
Speaker 3: Do I think that you feel disrespected by me by
Speaker 3: me calling you Tim?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: I don't know, and I'm not really interested in that
Speaker 3: because this isn't an because our relationship in this is
Speaker 3: that of an anonymous call in thing and name I
Speaker 3: don't like, the names are not really important to me
Speaker 3: in this space.
Speaker 1: That's alpha male behavior.
Speaker 3: But well, I was. I met a lady at a
Speaker 3: bar the other day and she was talking about how
Speaker 3: homosexuality is a sin, and I was like, and I've
Speaker 3: and like, you know, you know that those people exist, right,
Speaker 3: you know that they exist on like the Internet and stuff.
Speaker 3: I was like, but I was like, oh, this is interesting.
Speaker 3: I maybe it's because I grew I didn't grow up.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know people grew up in like, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, more rural parts of the country and stuff.
Speaker 3: But I was like, oh, it's in I've never met
Speaker 3: a person who actually believes that, and I want and
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm very curious why you think that,
Speaker 3: you know. And I don't know if there's a thing
Speaker 3: of like just when people display behavior that's like bizarre
Speaker 3: are or uncout. I don't know if it's a word
Speaker 3: or not. But I'm like, oh, why are they?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 3: Who? What is I'm like, I've become observational, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm I don't take anything. I try not to take shit,
Speaker 3: uh personally at all. I just want to observe them
Speaker 3: and cure I mean, I guess that's the thesis of
Speaker 3: the podcast is like, I'm just curious. Yeah, well, I
Speaker 3: mean we can get I'm sorry you get interrupted. Well,
Speaker 3: we can we can get into it. What do you
Speaker 3: feel disrespected by me calling you? Tim?
Speaker 1: No, absolutely not, Lyle, Lyle. I'm a longtime listener. This
Speaker 1: is actually my second time taking a call from you.
Speaker 1: The last time we took a call, it got dropped
Speaker 1: because I was using to somebody else's phone and they
Speaker 1: called that phone during the And it's happening again right now.
Speaker 3: What's happening again right now?
Speaker 1: If somebody is calling me while you are on the.
Speaker 3: Phone with me, go to voice, Yeah, let me go
Speaker 3: who wait o guess the last So we didn't really
Speaker 3: get we didn't actually really talk whenever you last called. Okay, great, great,
Speaker 3: but you know I I okay, So Tim, Uh, you
Speaker 3: texted me a lot of stuff. You've texted me a
Speaker 3: lot of stuff. We can talk about all of it?
Speaker 3: Why not?
Speaker 1: Oh? Fuck, I don't know if we should talk about
Speaker 1: all of it.
Speaker 3: Let's see, Okay, well, the first text you sent me
Speaker 3: was a year and a half ago. You said, the
Speaker 3: amount of weed my grandfather smokes makes me feel like
Speaker 3: I'll be seventy five years old still smoking weed. Okay,
Speaker 3: he hung up again. All right, See he did the
Speaker 3: thing where the call dropped. Hold on, we're not I'm
Speaker 3: not even gonna cut this part out because this is
Speaker 3: central to the story of talking to this caller. We'll
Speaker 3: call them back. Hold on, I have their Sometimes I
Speaker 3: can call people back. Sometimes they can't. What the hell
Speaker 3: happened to this guy? Why is he doing this? It's
Speaker 3: going to call dropped? Hello, Hello, Lyle, Hey, are you back?
Speaker 1: I am back?
Speaker 3: Okay, Wait, why did that happen again?
Speaker 1: Because people keep calling me? I don't know. It's like
Speaker 1: a universal sign that we can't talk to you.
Speaker 3: What do you What do you mean that people can
Speaker 3: That's not how a phone works, that people call you can.
Speaker 3: Phones give you the authority to choose Your phone can't.
Speaker 1: Force phil and somehow the phone call dropped. I don't
Speaker 1: know what to tell you. I don't know to tell you.
Speaker 3: Your phone can't force you to talk to someone.
Speaker 1: And I didn't. I didn't accept the call.
Speaker 3: All right, we're gonna do this whatever. I'll just keep
Speaker 3: calling you back. I don't care. We're gonna have this
Speaker 3: conversation and I'm not And every time the call drops,
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna edit it out. We're just gonna, I mean,
Speaker 3: we'll stitch it all together.
Speaker 1: But you know, those are actually, as a viewer, my
Speaker 1: favorite type of call.
Speaker 3: Okay, good, good, good? What what the calls were? The
Speaker 3: calls where nothing happens and it drops a lot.
Speaker 1: Well, I like I like to hear your unfiltered thoughts
Speaker 1: on you know, whatever situation is happening.
Speaker 3: Okay, here's what you said. All right, here's what you
Speaker 3: really Here's what you said on Thursday. You said, Lyle,
Speaker 3: how are you not angry listening to all these stories,
Speaker 3: going to these corners of the world, to the miraculous
Speaker 3: bits of humanity outweigh the stain left by the majority.
Speaker 3: I have a feeling I know how you'll answer, if
Speaker 3: at all, why do you choose peacefulness overrage?
Speaker 1: I did? I did say that because, quite frankly, I
Speaker 1: just I'm tired of a lot of aspects of the
Speaker 1: world and of society.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you sound misanthropic.
Speaker 1: I actually don't know what that word means.
Speaker 3: Uh misanthropic is like someone who has a general distaste
Speaker 3: for people in humanity.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that kind of describes me.
Speaker 3: Okay, why do you have a general distaste for people
Speaker 3: in humanity?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like maybe maybe it has
Speaker 1: to do with I never fit in I guess widely
Speaker 1: accepted by peers or even family.
Speaker 3: Okay, so we're talking now about a dissatisfaction with your
Speaker 3: place in the world rather than the world itself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think they kind of feed into each
Speaker 1: other for at this point in my life.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, But okay, so I want to I will
Speaker 3: get into your place in the world. But this thing
Speaker 3: of like do okay, this part of your message, do
Speaker 3: the miraculous bits of humanity outweigh the stain left by
Speaker 3: the majority? What do you like? What do you mean?
Speaker 3: What kind of stain? What is the stain?
Speaker 1: I feel like it's just all the and the aspects
Speaker 1: of maybe socializing or even communicating with other people that
Speaker 1: just I find unnecessary, unnecessary and quite frankly grueling to
Speaker 1: go through.
Speaker 3: Oh just socialization. Socialization is agonizing, oh for sure? Mm
Speaker 3: hm And how long have you felt that way?
Speaker 1: Most of my life, I would say, I don't really
Speaker 1: remember not feeling that way.
Speaker 3: Do you have any people in your life that you
Speaker 3: like talking to?
Speaker 1: A few?
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, who are they?
Speaker 1: I have some friends from you know, high school or
Speaker 1: even college. You know, people I play video games with.
Speaker 1: I don't really go to see them anymore. It's kind
Speaker 1: of tough. I don't really I hate I hate. I
Speaker 1: hate driving too. I know you don't. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you don't like driving, I know you prefer walkable areas.
Speaker 1: I hate driving so much. It's the one time in
Speaker 1: the day you're gonna die, right, Yeah, I think about it.
Speaker 1: That's statistically most likely to perish, and we're all forced
Speaker 1: to do it.
Speaker 3: Yes, I feel that so deeply. I think it's so
Speaker 3: insane how much we've normalized. Uh, this thing that is
Speaker 3: so easy to die doing is such a daily part
Speaker 3: of our existence in America.
Speaker 1: I won't I won't like act naive and say like
Speaker 1: we haven't improved in terms of safety and regulation and
Speaker 1: manufacturing the cars themselves. They're you know how they're like
Speaker 1: collapsible now so that you're more likely to live. I
Speaker 1: guess that's the science.
Speaker 3: Hm hm, I keep hearing. I know I'm keeping in
Speaker 3: all you know, by your request, I'm keeping in all
Speaker 3: of these technical difficulty questions. I keep hearing myself like
Speaker 3: a feedback every time time I talk.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Lyle, can I can I just that's because
Speaker 1: I'm like actively doing something for my mom.
Speaker 3: Okay, hold on? You can't, if you're all right, just
Speaker 3: if we're gonna you can't, I can't. You can't apologize
Speaker 3: for the phone but then also be doing something.
Speaker 1: What do you? What do you do? What do you?
Speaker 2: What do you?
Speaker 3: What do you do.
Speaker 2: To the girl?
Speaker 3: You're a walking contradiction. You hate people, and yet you're
Speaker 3: talking to me while also talking to a bunch of
Speaker 3: other people on text.
Speaker 1: Not my choice, not my choice, choice, you're my choice.
Speaker 3: Why do you have hold on? Okay? Who's texting you
Speaker 3: right now? And why do you have to respond to
Speaker 3: it right now? Genuine is a genuine question.
Speaker 1: It's my mother and she needed something for my father
Speaker 1: related to is related to his work. So and it
Speaker 1: was immediate. They were at they were at he does
Speaker 1: stuff with cars, so they were at a business. They
Speaker 1: were at like this tire place, and he needed a
Speaker 1: picture of the size of his tire.
Speaker 3: All Right, that's a good enough that's a good enough
Speaker 3: explanation of that.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Lyle.
Speaker 3: You don't have to. You don't have to, you don't
Speaker 3: have to apologize. Wait, well, am I on the speakerphone?
Speaker 3: Still we're not cutting any of this out? Am I
Speaker 3: on the speakerphone?
Speaker 1: No, not anymore?
Speaker 3: Okay, who do you? Who do you talk to the
Speaker 3: most in this life? Is your mom?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: Who do you talk to the most?
Speaker 1: That's a good question at this point. Probably this one
Speaker 1: friend I have that I play video games with?
Speaker 3: Okay, or do you like them?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, what the hell?
Speaker 3: All right, we're you know, we're doing this podcast. I'm
Speaker 3: not letting whatever the fuck is going on with this happen.
Speaker 3: We're doing it.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: I so you know what I forgive you. We're gonna
Speaker 3: do We're no, we're doing this. We're doing this phone call.
Speaker 3: I'm determined. I will find where you live. I will
Speaker 3: walk there and we will have the We're doing this.
Speaker 3: I can do anything I set my mind to. In
Speaker 3: soaking you. Okay, you have one friend, you play video
Speaker 3: games with him, but you're in so you Okay, this
Speaker 3: text and by the way, just so you know, because
Speaker 3: you sent me at the end of the text, you're like,
Speaker 3: why do you choose peacefulness over rage? And just so
Speaker 3: you know, I totally I totally uh all the time.
Speaker 3: I mean, you listen to this show. You know, I
Speaker 3: have an insane amount of existential dread and shit.
Speaker 2: It's like.
Speaker 3: All the time, all the time, I do genuinely look
Speaker 3: at the world and I look at like crazy shit,
Speaker 3: and I do wonder. I'm like, how is like is
Speaker 3: life worth living for a lot of people, like because
Speaker 3: most people because like I don't know, Man, I live
Speaker 3: in fucking I mean, we live. Do you live in America?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: I do? I do. I live on the East Coast
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 3: You live on the East Coast? Are you like, how
Speaker 3: did you did you grow up? Like Dick? Did you
Speaker 3: have enough money to like, did you have enough money
Speaker 3: to like eat food and stuff?
Speaker 1: Yes, I I didn't grow up you know, poor or
Speaker 1: like low class. I'm saying that poorly. I meant that
Speaker 1: I grew up fortunate lucky.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, well, I know I feel like most of
Speaker 3: the I feel like I do get existential about the
Speaker 3: thing of like I most you know, I grew up
Speaker 3: like decent. I grew up pretty good in America, and
Speaker 3: it's like for most of human history in most places,
Speaker 3: I think like life has low key sucked, but I
Speaker 3: also think, yeah, life is oky sucking, and I have
Speaker 3: wonder I'm like why is like oh fuck, that's kind
Speaker 3: of crazy, like is that not? But also like society
Speaker 3: has kept going and people keep living and like there
Speaker 3: is good. There is like things that are like inherent
Speaker 3: about the human experience and about just like the body
Speaker 3: in general, that make it want to keep being alive.
Speaker 3: And like, I don't know, there's like probably like there's
Speaker 3: some dude living in like you know, poverty in India
Speaker 3: who like their life, like I guess on paper sucks,
Speaker 3: but they're not like I don't but like are they
Speaker 3: I don't know if they're in I don't know. I
Speaker 3: don't know if but they but they there are What
Speaker 3: am I trying to say? There are probably people who
Speaker 3: still figure out just figure out to like live life
Speaker 3: and figure out like their own version of happiness that's
Speaker 3: much less less complex than like whatever the you know,
Speaker 3: western modern American you have everything. Everything's great version of
Speaker 3: finding happiness is you know, I don't know what do
Speaker 3: you think.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I get what you're saying too. Honestly,
Speaker 1: it feels very relatable. The more I think about it,
Speaker 1: the more I feel about it. It's it feels like
Speaker 1: everybody else.
Speaker 3: Has, you know, everybody else has well.
Speaker 1: Has like a you know, they have the guide. They
Speaker 1: have like the video game guide, or they have the
Speaker 1: they have the rules, they have everything, some sort of
Speaker 1: collection of knowledge that I don't.
Speaker 3: Uh, what are you looking for a guide to?
Speaker 1: What am I not looking a guide for? While socializing?
Speaker 2: For one? Mm hmm?
Speaker 1: What isn't there a guys wealth building? I know that's
Speaker 1: like you're not a Dave Ramsey type, but you kind
Speaker 1: of are at the same time, you know whatever. I
Speaker 1: know you always talk about going to a spot, finding
Speaker 1: a spot to go to, going there and developing friends.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like you. But I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: just like I hate driving. I hate people. No matter
Speaker 1: where I go, I find a reason I hate them.
Speaker 3: Uh huh. Well, I'm actually I actually am familiar with
Speaker 3: the idea. I'm very familiar with the idea of feeling
Speaker 3: like everyone else has the guidebook on how to live
Speaker 3: like I definitely I Yeah, I'm very familiar with the
Speaker 3: idea of like, oh fuck, why why do I why
Speaker 3: does everyone else feel like they're a normal human being?
Speaker 3: And I just don't know how to fucking do it.
Speaker 3: But I don't really have the answers. But like, but
Speaker 3: there is there really is no guidebook, you know. I
Speaker 3: mean you know this, you know that there's no fucking
Speaker 3: like guide. But I can tell, I can tell that
Speaker 3: you're a I can tell you're an existential motherfucker. You know.
Speaker 3: There's no objective way to you know, there's no objective
Speaker 3: way to do anything right. I mean, you can decide
Speaker 3: how you want to live your life. Now Listen, if
Speaker 3: if you want to like let yourself be, if you
Speaker 3: want to like feed the wolves of all of your
Speaker 3: worst shit, then you're probably gonna end up like alone
Speaker 3: and isolated. And that's I don't know if that's like healthy.
Speaker 3: But you also can't. Yeah, but you also the thing
Speaker 3: of like, I it's hard because I'm not I naturally
Speaker 3: am someone who like wants to be around people, not
Speaker 3: like one hundred percent of the time all the time.
Speaker 3: Like I'm a very ambiverted I guess is the fucking word.
Speaker 3: But uh, like I'm trying. I think that like a
Speaker 3: space for you to exist and like a group of
Speaker 3: people that you identify with is out there. It just
Speaker 3: must be created or found in some way, you know,
Speaker 3: because I don't know, dude, we're like I get, I
Speaker 3: get being like anti social and being an introvert. Like,
Speaker 3: I know, it's a thing. I know that it's like
Speaker 3: it's like kind of it's kind of popular, like like
Speaker 3: it's like a it's like a millennial cringe core thing
Speaker 3: to be like, ugh, I hate people. People suck, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And that's the worst part. It's like you can't you
Speaker 1: can't exist in that space publicly because then it's like
Speaker 1: it's millennial core. Like you said, it's cringe. No one
Speaker 1: wants to be around it, and no one wants to
Speaker 1: be perceived in it either.
Speaker 3: No, I don't think I don't actually think that that's
Speaker 3: an I don't think that like, oh people's people suck
Speaker 3: is an unpopular sentiment. I think a lot of people.
Speaker 3: I actually think it's more. I think it's popular to
Speaker 3: be like, oh, people suck, life's the worst. Uh, you know,
Speaker 3: I love I got my TV at home and and
Speaker 3: I order a takeout I got my cat and life
Speaker 3: is good. Like I think that that's a I think
Speaker 3: that's a popular sentiment. And and by the way, if
Speaker 3: you're if you are saying that ship and like you
Speaker 3: are happy and you genuinely are happy. That to to
Speaker 3: kind of tie it back to like the guide, right,
Speaker 3: like if you have your fucking cat and your pizza
Speaker 3: and your TV and you are genuinely happy with that,
Speaker 3: like that's the rhythm. Like you get to decide what
Speaker 3: the rhythm of your life is like. And if that's
Speaker 3: the rhythm of your life that you fuck with, like
Speaker 3: that's fine, but I is that? But is that the case?
Speaker 3: Like when you think about that rhythm of life? Like
Speaker 3: do you actually did? Did? Did?
Speaker 1: Do you?
Speaker 3: Are you whole? Do you resonate with that?
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd like that rhythm of life if you
Speaker 1: know my all my dolls were paid and I had
Speaker 1: money and I lived alone mm hmm, you know, and
Speaker 1: I had a fucking harem.
Speaker 3: Shut the fuck up, dude, what are you talking about?
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like if everything else was in line, then yeah, I'd
Speaker 1: love to be Oh.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: I thought, I'm sorry, you want to have I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: I thought you said I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. I
Speaker 3: thought you said you you had it, you have a harem.
Speaker 3: I thought you want to have it? You okay, okay,
Speaker 3: never byd I thought you said you. I thought you
Speaker 3: said you have a harem.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: Okay, you want to have a haram. Okay, that's way
Speaker 3: more reasonable. Okay, uh hmm, Okay, but like I don't
Speaker 3: know where but yeah, but like sure, yeah, sure, but where?
Speaker 3: But like, where are you? Where are you at?
Speaker 1: I'm stuck in the job that I just got laid
Speaker 1: off from that I have to finish my contract out
Speaker 1: in my parents' house that you know barely tolerate my presence.
Speaker 3: Your parents barely tolerate your presence.
Speaker 1: I'm over exaggerating. They listened to this podcast.
Speaker 3: Your parents listen to the podcast.
Speaker 1: My mom does.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's funny. Who discovered it first?
Speaker 1: Me?
Speaker 3: That's funny. Hold on, you have other things you wanted
Speaker 3: to talk about. Okay, here we go.
Speaker 1: Uh, maybe don't read all those.
Speaker 3: Okay, Uh, well, I don't know which ones you want
Speaker 3: me to not read. You said, daddy issues.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't even know what I said, to be
Speaker 1: honest with you, I'm not looking at the text. I'm
Speaker 1: just like trying to keep for the best listening experience.
Speaker 1: I'm not moving my hand.
Speaker 3: All right, I have about this. I'll have this. I'll
Speaker 3: read a text and if it resonates with you, we
Speaker 3: can talk about it. Does daddy issues resonate with you
Speaker 3: in this?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 3: All right, you send me that two years?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 3: All right, how about this, I'm being guilt tripped into
Speaker 3: going to a wedding. Does that resonate?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, that resonates me?
Speaker 3: Are you still going? Did you end up going to
Speaker 3: the wedding?
Speaker 2: I had to?
Speaker 1: How was it awful?
Speaker 3: Why was it awful?
Speaker 1: I don't like my family?
Speaker 2: Is family like my immediately Yeah?
Speaker 1: It was my immediately immediate family, and I don't really
Speaker 1: appreciate or care for them.
Speaker 3: Com feelings YouTube, So why did you go to this wedding?
Speaker 1: Because I depend on my parents' household and I was
Speaker 1: told either go or get kicked out.
Speaker 3: Okay, So all right, so you're trying to you you're
Speaker 3: trying to get You're trying to you're trying to like
Speaker 3: start living your own life. It sounds you want to
Speaker 3: get out of your parents' house. Okay, I feel like
Speaker 3: this conversation is going to dive us into a Dave
Speaker 3: Ramsey conversation, which.
Speaker 1: I know and I know you kind of hate that.
Speaker 1: And I don't really want to bring you there if
Speaker 1: you don't want to go there.
Speaker 2: But that's just.
Speaker 1: That's that's my situation. A lot of things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll go.
Speaker 1: Let's say about a lot of things politically, economically, financially, whatever.
Speaker 3: Okay, I want to talk to you about traveling to
Speaker 3: Japan as a teacher. Oh, did you do the Japan
Speaker 3: teaching thing?
Speaker 1: You are?
Speaker 3: Waitless? What is it? The jet program? That's the English
Speaker 3: teacher span thing. Did I have a friend in real
Speaker 3: life that I actually you know, it's funny. I have
Speaker 3: a friend in real life that you remind me exactly of.
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
Speaker 1: We probably would be friends in real life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know you're.
Speaker 1: Close enough to my age's.
Speaker 3: Right, I'm twenty eight. There's a friend of mine. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there's a friend of mine. He went to be a
Speaker 3: teacher in Japan. He dreams of having a hairum, he's
Speaker 3: got a cat. He doesn't. He's a little bit of
Speaker 3: an introvert. Now, okay, you know what all right, all right?
Speaker 3: How about this?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 3: You?
Speaker 1: Hm?
Speaker 2: Which?
Speaker 3: What? Let me? What's Tim?
Speaker 2: There? We go?
Speaker 3: Tim? Where what happened to? Would you like this conversation
Speaker 3: to go down preferably to you?
Speaker 2: How do you cope?
Speaker 1: How do you cope? Last?
Speaker 3: How do I cope?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I'm not skilled?
Speaker 3: Uh well I have I have many I have My
Speaker 3: life as is. Actually perhaps existence as a whole for
Speaker 3: everyone is a series of coping and no, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: I take that back. I take that back, you know,
Speaker 3: I take that back. I'm tired of this nihilistic fucking bullshit,
Speaker 3: the existential fucking bullshit. I'm tired of it. I don't
Speaker 3: want to do it anymore. I feel bad spreading it
Speaker 3: on the podcast to other people, like a fucking virus.
Speaker 3: The I don't think life is just coping. I don't
Speaker 3: think existence is suffering. I don't think any of that
Speaker 3: shit at all. But uh I do. Yeah there, But yes,
Speaker 3: life is hard. I undeniably do think that life is
Speaker 3: like hard. I don't know if it inherently has to be.
Speaker 3: But to answer your question, the way I cope is
Speaker 3: either through uh insanely destructive uh behaviors that just like
Speaker 3: kind of fuck my life up and get me further
Speaker 3: away from the person I want to be or uh
Speaker 3: through positive behaviors like doing meaningful work and engaging in
Speaker 3: meaningful relationships. And a lot of my life is a
Speaker 3: struggle between the ideal version of myself that primarily copes
Speaker 3: through engaging in meaningful work and meaningful relationships versus the
Speaker 3: version of myself that copes with destructive behaviors. So that
Speaker 3: that's my answer to that question. I don't think existence
Speaker 3: is suffering. I don't think that life is a series
Speaker 3: of coping. I hate all that nihilistic shit. I think
Speaker 3: it's stupid. I want to, Yeah, I think it's stupid.
Speaker 3: After like marinating in it for so fucking life, I
Speaker 3: just think it's fucking so dumb to be like nihilistic
Speaker 3: and existential.
Speaker 1: Is this people like positive nihilism? I know sometimes you
Speaker 1: kind of ride that high.
Speaker 3: I try to, but I just don't want to. Just
Speaker 3: don't want to. Is this exhausting? Is this dudie? It
Speaker 3: has no you know what? I actually did you watch
Speaker 3: the I made this documentary in Ukraine? Do you you
Speaker 3: didn't watch that? I did you?
Speaker 1: I actually haven't yet.
Speaker 3: I've been I watched I made this document I went
Speaker 3: to Ukraine to make this documentary and I I this
Speaker 3: guy Roman was showing me around and he went on
Speaker 3: this whole rant to me about like why he thinks
Speaker 3: that nihilism and extentialism is so like stupid and why
Speaker 3: he like, uh whatever. He just went on this rant
Speaker 3: to me about it. And I was like, man, this guy, like,
Speaker 3: you know, his fucking like family is dying in a war,
Speaker 3: and like he's seen like he's like his like this
Speaker 3: guy's childhood was so much more fucked up than mine.
Speaker 3: This guy's like seeing so much more fucked up shit
Speaker 3: than I have, and like he's still is and he's
Speaker 3: not like a wallower or like a oh life is
Speaker 3: suffering and how do we cope with it? He's just
Speaker 3: like living his life and like doing shit and making
Speaker 3: art and like being and existing and like just having
Speaker 3: a good time. And like that's what That's what I
Speaker 3: want to be. I don't want to be like a
Speaker 3: fucking nihilistic wallower anymore. It's just not.
Speaker 2: I guess for me. That's where you get back to
Speaker 2: the guidebook.
Speaker 1: You know, it feels like he has the guidebook. That's
Speaker 1: a guy that has the guidebook. And I kind of
Speaker 1: have a person like that in my life who who's
Speaker 1: definitely like, yeah, I've had way more shit happened to
Speaker 1: me than the work than regular people or other people
Speaker 1: who are like me. And it's like, if I could
Speaker 1: do it, then you can do it, you.
Speaker 3: Know, dude, I uh, listen, listen like this, this is
Speaker 3: like a work in progress for me. So yeah, the
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm just chalking it up to a decision
Speaker 3: at this point. And again, the coping thing is like, uh,
Speaker 3: when I when I when I engage in meaningful when
Speaker 3: I engage in meaningful work, or I engage in like community,
Speaker 3: or I engage in like relationships, all that ship goes away.
Speaker 3: And I'm just like there, you know, So that that's
Speaker 3: how I try to cope. That's what I'm trying to do.
Speaker 3: But you can't, well you don't want to. You can't
Speaker 3: just wallow for for that long because you'll just it's yeah,
Speaker 3: it's not it's it's just kind of a brand of bullshit.
Speaker 3: There's no point. And and you see people all this,
Speaker 3: I know, look, we're all fucking we all we all
Speaker 3: live in the same world, and like you see people
Speaker 3: like you know, all this dude, like, like we all
Speaker 3: live in the same world. You see people every day
Speaker 3: who like manage to like be yes, the guidebook people. Yes,
Speaker 3: the people who you believe have a guide book of
Speaker 3: some kind, who just like live their life and they're
Speaker 3: like on Mondays, I go to the gym and on Thursday,
Speaker 3: I uh do like you know, I don't know whatever.
Speaker 3: Just people who like who don't live like that, like
Speaker 3: if they can, I do genuine believe if they can
Speaker 3: do it, you can do it. Like you know, you're
Speaker 3: just just just just be here, man, I don't know.
Speaker 3: That's all I That's that's the best I got on
Speaker 3: that for now.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, thank you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just just just just be here just being grossed
Speaker 3: in something. I mean, I I I just I just
Speaker 3: got tired. I'm not like I don't know if it's
Speaker 3: like okay, it's a it's a work in progress, but
Speaker 3: I just got times as tired of like being in
Speaker 3: like a depressive nihilistic thing.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I just want to be like a normal person of
Speaker 3: the world and like engage and I don't want to
Speaker 3: like I don't want to like wear nihilism or existentialism,
Speaker 3: like even the positive nihilism. Shit, it's like like, I
Speaker 3: don't want to wear this ship as a badge. I
Speaker 3: don't wanna have it be part of my ID. I
Speaker 3: just don't want anything to do with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel very similarly. That's the most relatable thing,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: Let's see you wrote, oh were you wrote? I want
Speaker 3: to tell you a story of gluttony. Okay, let's hear
Speaker 3: the story of gluttony before we go.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Is that it is that all it said?
Speaker 3: No, you said I have three stories for you based
Speaker 3: on your mood. A story of heroism, a story of gluttony,
Speaker 3: and a story of rage. And I'm choosing a story
Speaker 3: of gluttony.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what I could have been talking
Speaker 1: about at that time. I'm sorry to let you down.
Speaker 1: I don't have I don't have a story of gluttony
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 3: Well, you know what, you should go out there today
Speaker 3: and uh and make one box of pop tarts or something.
Speaker 1: I will I will allow just just for you.
Speaker 3: Good.
Speaker 1: You know what, it's not for you.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, Tim, yes, Tim?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Wait what the fuck? Hold on wait wait wait wait
Speaker 3: wait wait wait did you tell me your name was
Speaker 3: Tim or did I give you that name?
Speaker 1: No, you gave me that name.
Speaker 3: Okay, hold on. Fucking two years ago you texted me
Speaker 3: and you said, my name is Tim. I'm twenty four
Speaker 3: years old.
Speaker 1: Yep, it is totally a fake name. It is not
Speaker 1: my name. However, what people use that for me as
Speaker 1: a fake name?
Speaker 2: Wait?
Speaker 3: Hold on, so wait, you're telling me that the fake
Speaker 3: name that I gave you is the same as the
Speaker 3: fake name that you use.
Speaker 1: Not in the first call, but when you took when
Speaker 1: you took my first call, my fake name was Murray.
Speaker 3: I'm not forgeting out. I'm talking about this. There is
Speaker 3: no first like this this call, this call.
Speaker 2: This call, yeah, this call.
Speaker 1: The whole time it was Tim, all right, the fake
Speaker 1: name that you gave me. And then I think I
Speaker 1: texted you a fake name.
Speaker 3: You texted me that your name was Tim. You texted
Speaker 3: me your fake name was Tim. But then I'm just okay.
Speaker 3: All I'm saying is it's interesting.
Speaker 1: It was a massive coincidence.
Speaker 3: It was a massive coincidence. That's all.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, which is crazy.
Speaker 3: It's a little crazy. Tim. Yes, Wow, join the fucking
Speaker 3: living dude. We're gonna join the living, Tim, Tim, are
Speaker 3: you there? Tim?
Speaker 1: I am there.
Speaker 3: We're gonna join the living, Tim, I'm tired, you're tired.
Speaker 3: We're gonna join the living. That's my That's been my
Speaker 3: fucking motto for myself. It's just like, join the join,
Speaker 3: join the join the living. That's all. Listen. Here's the thing.
Speaker 3: They don't have a guide, right, they don't. They don't
Speaker 3: have a guide, Tim, They're just the living. When you look,
Speaker 3: when you look at those people who who have a
Speaker 3: guy who you think have a guide, recognize that they
Speaker 3: don't have a guide. Uh, they're just the living, and
Speaker 3: join them. Just join the living.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try my best, get I know.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna try my fucking best to do. We're gonna
Speaker 3: join the fucking living, Dude. That's what I want to do.
Speaker 3: I want to join the living. I want to stop
Speaker 3: being a fucking crazy person.
Speaker 1: I really do. I really want to stop being a
Speaker 1: crazy person, because it's it's hard being a crazy person.
Speaker 3: Had a crazy person.
Speaker 1: An angry person.
Speaker 3: But also, dude, I'm but I I know, but like,
Speaker 3: but Tim, Like, here's the thing, sorry, this is another rant,
Speaker 3: but like, here's the thing about here's The thing about
Speaker 3: being anti social is that like I do look whatever,
Speaker 3: I'm not a real therapist, but I'm just like, this
Speaker 3: is just this is just all the ship I say
Speaker 3: on here is just me pontificating on my own experience
Speaker 3: of life. But like, you also have to realize that
Speaker 3: a change in your environment mm hmm mh Like, a
Speaker 3: change in your environment will prompt like changes in your
Speaker 3: behavior and shit. So like, if you want to like
Speaker 3: discover new versions of yourself, perhaps even a version of
Speaker 3: yourself that feels more aligned with the living and more
Speaker 3: aligned with the guidebook, you have to put yourself in
Speaker 3: situations where you're talking to new people and you're in
Speaker 3: new environments, because you can't unlock new versions of yourself
Speaker 3: alone in a room. I mean this is a documented experience,
Speaker 3: like the like you can have a conversation with someone
Speaker 3: and then the way that person's talking to you like
Speaker 3: unlocks versions of yourself and like feelings about yourself and like,
Speaker 3: like you like you can be talking to someone and
Speaker 3: be like, oh, I'm actually funny, I've been just been
Speaker 3: hanging out with people who like, don't bring that out
Speaker 3: of me. Or you can go somewhere or be a
Speaker 3: part of something that like just brings new versions of
Speaker 3: yourself out of you. And if you sit.
Speaker 1: At home because some of this stuff, this is where
Speaker 1: you're gonna bring me on a rant, because some of
Speaker 1: this stuff that makes me feel live. Honestly, all the
Speaker 1: stuff that makes me feel like I'm part of the
Speaker 1: living is locked behind such a financial wall. And to
Speaker 1: change the environment locked behind such a financial wall. And
Speaker 1: I know this is where you You don't want to
Speaker 1: get Dave Ramsey, uh, And I don't want to make
Speaker 1: you Dave Ramsey. But it's just something. Not all of
Speaker 1: it is existential dread. Some of it is financial dreads.
Speaker 1: And I know that's that's that's just me right now.
Speaker 3: No, sure, that stuff is that stuff is that stuff
Speaker 3: is realist. You're you, you are you are being real
Speaker 3: as fuck right now? Like what like going to like oh,
Speaker 3: just the thing of like, oh, if I want to
Speaker 3: go to a place or talk to a person, I
Speaker 3: gotta fucking like put put you know, seven dollars a
Speaker 3: gallon gas in my car and go to the fucking
Speaker 3: thing and pay the due and like just all that ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of, but more like, oh, if I want
Speaker 1: to be you know, doing stuff like that that costs
Speaker 1: money or you know, living. I love traveling, like like
Speaker 1: you said before all and I said that I wanted
Speaker 1: to be in the jet program. I've been to Japan
Speaker 1: before and it was awesome, so I wanted to teach
Speaker 1: their right. And even though that's not great pay right,
Speaker 1: everything else is you know, less expensive. There was a
Speaker 1: way to experience it and have the experience I wanted
Speaker 1: for you know, a less rate, a cheap rate. And
Speaker 1: I'm not like saying I'm a cheap aster. But it's hard.
Speaker 2: No, I know it don't make the most.
Speaker 1: And I just got it.
Speaker 3: I know what you mean, I I I I get you.
Speaker 3: I understand. I understand that there is a financial barrier
Speaker 3: to putting yourself out there to do new ship. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I get it. But but I don't know, Man, where
Speaker 3: do you live?
Speaker 1: I don't want to dos myself. I kind of already
Speaker 1: have for you know, because my mom listen to this podcast.
Speaker 3: But are do you live in like a city?
Speaker 1: No, I live in like a suburb, like a moderately
Speaker 1: middle class maybe upper middle suburb. Okay, And I know
Speaker 1: that sounds like I'm like a whiney baby, right, Like, Oh,
Speaker 1: this guy lives at his parents.
Speaker 3: No, I don't think you're being a whiney, but I
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 1: I I uh the viewers wile I'm thinking about the viewers.
Speaker 2: But sure, but I interrupted you.
Speaker 3: No, I mean I I would I listen. I could
Speaker 3: get all Dave Ramsey on you for sure and the thing.
Speaker 3: But like, I don't know, man, at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, I do feel like you got Like.
Speaker 1: I love my job even though I got laid off.
Speaker 1: I love I love it. I love it low I teach.
Speaker 3: Hmmm.
Speaker 1: It's amazing the dopamine I get from when when somebody
Speaker 1: gets something right, or they understand something, or they're able
Speaker 1: to to, you know, do something. They have a skill,
Speaker 1: they have a you know what I mean, they create
Speaker 1: something amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Now, you're not entirely you're you're not like you
Speaker 3: have like you're not like a hopeless lost cause of
Speaker 3: a being on the planet. You have you have meaningful work,
Speaker 3: and you have the desire to engage yourself in meaningful
Speaker 3: relationships and community. But you're you're not there yet. Is
Speaker 3: it an accurate read?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yet just feels far away.
Speaker 3: Hm hm hm.
Speaker 1: Hm. Phone dopamine addiction, you see everybody else.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, no, it's it's uh. You know, you can
Speaker 3: form a parasocial relationship with a cat online or a
Speaker 3: lizard or a lizard. Mm, Tim, Yes, how do you
Speaker 3: feel like this phone call went?
Speaker 1: I think it's everything I've ever wanted get and I'm
Speaker 1: so happy about it.
Speaker 3: I hope it's not everything you've ever wanted. I hope
Speaker 3: you want for more.
Speaker 1: Well, especially after the first time where my call dropped,
Speaker 1: I thought it was and then it was I thought
Speaker 1: it was happening again.
Speaker 3: Tim, is there anything else you want to say to
Speaker 3: the people of the computer before we go?
Speaker 1: I don't know what I want to say to the
Speaker 1: people of the computer. The people of the computer should
Speaker 1: get off the computer and learn a skill, become valuable.
Speaker 3: I agree. I think I think it's good to do stuff.
Speaker 3: Get off the computer, go outside, don't kill yourself, and
Speaker 3: uh yeah, look at a dog or some ship. Thank you, Tim,
Speaker 3: Good luck man, good luck man. Try to figure some
Speaker 3: ship out. Trying to figure some ship out, man, Okay,
Speaker 3: good okay, good, okay, good.
Speaker 1: Join a living Tim, I will, I will, while I
Speaker 1: hope you come to my area. I am on the
Speaker 1: text chain.
Speaker 3: All right, Okay, cool? Where's it what they living? You
Speaker 3: can't give me the state.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I should. All Right, I'm an
Speaker 1: agent of the state, I teach.
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, you are an agent of the state. All right,
Speaker 3: that's so good. All right, I'll see you around the universe. Tim.
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, Lyle. I have a great have
Speaker 1: a great more calls today.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Tim. That was Tim. We're joining the living folks.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I know if I feel like I've like
Speaker 3: bummed everyone out in this pipet, like I don't, I
Speaker 3: don't want to do like existential fucking bullshit. I don't
Speaker 3: really care about it. That's not true. That's not I
Speaker 3: can care about It's like I'm like, I just I
Speaker 3: just want to be done. And it's okay to engage
Speaker 3: in conversations about it every now and then, but it
Speaker 3: just feels like a thing that I don't I just
Speaker 3: don't want to be like a recurring It's such a
Speaker 3: fucking it's like a it's such a crazy thing. Because
Speaker 3: I do I do think that like exploring that stuff
Speaker 3: it makes for like better art and like good conversations
Speaker 3: and like better understanding of the world. But like it,
Speaker 3: there's got to be like a way to approach it
Speaker 3: that feels less crazy. I suppose. I don't know, we
Speaker 3: can talk like I'd rather like talk about the best
Speaker 3: flavor of dog treats for you know, seventy percent of
Speaker 3: my life. I know, it's where I mean this, Hold on,
Speaker 3: I'm trying to gather my fucking dumbass thoughts. But like
Speaker 3: sometimes it feels like some people like like existentialism and
Speaker 3: all this crap, like you know, maybe it's like ten
Speaker 3: percent of the thoughts and the other ninety percent are
Speaker 3: just like, oh, what are we having for dinner?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: And like I'd like to be if right now my
Speaker 3: life is like ninety percent existentialism and ten percent what
Speaker 3: are we having for dinner? I'd like to get to
Speaker 3: like I'd like to have a good you know. It's
Speaker 3: like with like in all of life, you have your
Speaker 3: your pie chart, I suppose, and I'd like to spend
Speaker 3: about Uh. I'd like to spend like eighty percent of
Speaker 3: my life like existing and being in it, and then
Speaker 3: like twenty percent can be reserved for thinking about it.
Speaker 3: I'd like to spend way more time existing in life
Speaker 3: than thinking about it, is how i'd put it. Say
Speaker 3: you can still think about it, but it's more time living.
Speaker 1: It never goes on the line taking your phone calls
Speaker 1: every nine, goes to just teaching you loud in
Speaker 3: The Memorial life really an expert