WEBVTT - Q&A Part 2 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:08.280 Welcome back to it could happen here the podcast where 0:00:08.320 --> 0:00:11.080 Jay your Boltonaro was once again in the hospital getting 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:18.439 all of the facings sucked out of his in the hospital. 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:24.800 The most consistently dying man in the world. You know what, 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:28.280 this man in history, you know, actually literally full of 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:32.440 ship again. You know what? You know what this means. 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:38.159 It approximately three four weeks, Stephen Crowder is going to 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:41.040 get some horrible illness. And if we said to the hospitals, 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:46.440 well the cycle, this is the only like the cycle. 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:49.600 My hope for both of them is that they find 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:52.400 out that each has an obscure disease that can only 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:55.120 be cured by piping ship from the other into them, 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:57.120 And so they just hook them up via a tube 0:00:57.440 --> 0:00:59.440 and they're just sucking poop out of each of them 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:01.760 and putting it into the other person. That would be 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:05.880 very funny. Hot All right, what's our first question? Our 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:08.400 first question? So this was specifically addressed to Chris, so 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:10.160 Chris you can answer first, But I think this is 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:13.319 a question for for everyone. Really, what is your favorite 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:15.920 piece of history that you haven't been able to talk 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:19.160 about yet on the show that isn't deserving of a 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:25.360 whole episode, favorite piece of I mean, we ain't talked 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:29.120 about the Zapatista as yet because I don't I don't 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:33.640 yet feel comfortable, uh with with my level of knowledge there. 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:37.800 But it's definitely history that's extremely relevant to the kind 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:43.080 of ship we talked about on the show. Have I 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:46.760 talked about the water and gas wars and Bolivia on 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:50.120 the show? We've talked about that at all? Either? Yeah, 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:52.080 I mean althought. I mean that that probably is deserving 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:54.920 of its own episode. But absolutely a bunch of people 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:58.120 just literally like blocking every road in the entire country 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:00.240 and starving out the ruling class because they can't like 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:02.920 import food into the city because they've blocked every single road. 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:09.880 Extremely cool, I guess in terms of like really short, 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:14.400 not deserving of its own episode, I don't know either, 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:17.880 because I've I've been able to elongate all my periods 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:20.200 into episodes. Yeah, I don't know that there's anything we 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:22.600 wouldn't cover. There's certainly things we haven't covered yet for 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:25.560 a variety of reasons. Often just like I don't feel 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:28.160 like we've had the time to do. There's a lot 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:30.640 of work. Yeah, it's like why why haven't why haven't 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:32.400 we done a Mao episodes like do you know how 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:35.760 much ship that motherfucker got in his life? I have 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:40.160 been like mentally like psychologically preparing myself to start working 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:44.880 on mat like this is a ah, that's that Actually, no, 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:49.560 it's the Mango Colts. It's definitely the Mango Colts. Did 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:51.720 you did you did you know about this? No? The 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:55.600 Mango Colts. Yeah, okay, So so Mao got like I 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:58.200 forget who was I want to say it was the 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:02.160 Prime Minister of Pakistan some something like dignitary like gave 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:03.959 him a man. This is this is like this is 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:05.799 the beginning of the cultural revolution. Somebody gives him a 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:08.960 mango and he like hands this mango off to like 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:13.240 a red mango and like they like like this this 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:16.359 turns into like a cult. Like people like they take 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:18.840 this mango, they like preserve it. It's it's like they 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:20.760 have they have like a shrine to the mango. And 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:24.920 like like there's this whole cult apparatus like builds up 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:28.320 around just people getting mangoes as like tokens of Mao's favors. 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:30.600 This just like this this massive things that is this 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:33.959 This this spreads like wildfire. It's like people are doing 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:37.280 this in like the far western reaches of China where 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:41.120 like like in places where like there's like like one 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:42.960 of things culture with Like there there are places in 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:45.800 China where like civil wars breakout and it takes people 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:49.560 like a week to like send representatives like across China 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:51.360 to go like talk to the Central Committee to argue 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:53.360 their case. And like even in those places they have 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:56.800 mango cults and it is it is wild. The culture 0:03:56.840 --> 0:04:01.920 revolution is a is a it is a time. It is. Well, 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:03.960 I know what I'm getting everyone for Christmas this year. 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:09.480 They're my favorite fruit. Like, well, we'll see if the 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:15.520 species survives this next summer. Oh we will, Yeah, we'll 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:22.960 just be growing. So just be growing in Siberia. Mangoes 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:27.480 sprouting from the corpses of fucking antelope. That is beautiful. Um, 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:33.760 I can't think of anything. Next question, okay, uh speaking 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:36.600 of history, I like this one. If you could fight 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:40.480 anyone in history, wait for it and lose, who would 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:44.600 you fight? And why who would I fight and lose 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:47.840 and lose? Like you still get like a few good 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:51.599 hits in or something, but you'd lose, David Bowie because 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:56.240 it would be hot. Next question other people could answer 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:59.359 I guess no. I think that's a good that's the 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:04.599 perfect Yeah. I would happily be hit by David Bowie, 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:08.400 so sure, why not there? Yeah, And I know that 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:10.960 David Bowie really loved to hit teenagers. I would be 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:13.839 totally hitting. In the other sense, I would be fine 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:18.360 with anything. I don't care when it comes to Bowie. Wow, 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:26.440 that's problematic. Problematic. Uh huh. We got a few questions 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:31.040 about the ethics of leaving the United States as things 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:36.599 get worse. Okay, that's one. Yeah, And this is something 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:39.520 that I know we've talked about. You've got that get 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:42.919 out of America and I see. That's the thing is that, 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:46.960 like I already have my Canadian passport, so that is 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:49.880 something that I can do at any time. And that's 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:52.240 something that I probably will do at some point, because 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:55.640 one I can see myself in my theorties and forties, 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:58.680 living in Canada will be a lot easier in a 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:02.039 lot of ways in terms of like how much money 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:04.520 it will cost for me to live and pay certain things, 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:06.720 Like living in Canada at a certain point will just 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:08.200 make a lot more sense for me. So yeah, I 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:12.200 probably will move up. Um. And I also know that 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:15.120 getting past Canadian border patrol. Not that hard in terms 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:18.599 of other people wanting to go legally or illegally. That's 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:21.760 it is actually pretty easy to get to get up there. Um, 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:23.560 if you want to do it legally, that's definitely a 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:27.480 lot a lot more work, but also not impossible. Um yeah, 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:29.760 I think. I mean, like it's important to know that, 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:34.000 like moving to somewhere else is not escaping the effects, 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:37.240 because the effects are going to reach everywhere, but it 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:42.279 can have a lot of advantages, um, especially kids. Yeah, 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:45.920 So I I say moving up is or moving away 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:48.920 from the States is a decent thing for a lot 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:51.560 of people. I don't feel the need to stay and 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:55.280 fight for something that I don't really care about what's 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:59.680 in the first place anyway, UM, So sure do what 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:02.640 may because you happy in the time that you have alive. 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:06.640 I feel like that's a that says as ethical as 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:09.720 you need to get Yeah, I don't think anyone has 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:14.560 a responsibility to like stay in uh fight to the 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:20.200 death uh in in a collapsing country. Um As as 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:24.240 a general rule, I'm very sympathetic towards refugees, And that's 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:26.440 kind of what you would be if you're talking about 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:29.560 fleeing the United States because you're it's in the process 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:32.560 of falling apart, and things are you suspect a lot 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:34.560 about to get a lot more violent, especially if you 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:39.040 have again, like a family kids. Um I I had 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:42.400 options to do that that I've I've chosen at this 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:48.280 point not to UM, not to pursue UM, but UH, 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:50.880 I get white people would and as a general rule, 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:54.040 like I spent I spent once when I was UM 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:58.200 in UH in Bosnia and Serbia talking to survivors of 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:01.280 the genocide there in the nineties. UM. I took a 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:06.040 train ride UM from Sarajevo to like a little town 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:10.120 near Strabernitza and Uh. During the train ride, I wound 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:12.720 up like hanging out with this dude who had been 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:16.200 born and raised in Yugoslavia and had been living in 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:21.440 Canada since the Civil War, and he, like very through 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:23.520 in his kind of broken English, explained like, yeah, when 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:25.680 the war broke out, all of my friends, all of 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:27.560 these other young guys I knew, were like, well, you know, 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:29.840 we're gonna fight, We're gonna fight, And I said no, no, no, 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:31.920 no no. Went to Canada and this is the first 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:33.840 time I've been back and that was the smart thing 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:37.400 to do. Um, So I'm not I mean, if you 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:39.200 can get the if you can get out and find 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:42.400 a place that's safer, as Garrison said, like there's there's 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:46.280 nothing I think that inherently behooves you to spend your 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:51.000 uh limited time on this planet struggling, and especially if 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:52.880 you've got a family, like doing what you can to 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:56.079 put them in a safer position is great. That said, 0:08:57.000 --> 0:08:59.000 none of it's a permanent or even necessarily a long 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:01.400 term solution. Like idea of moving to Canada has a 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:04.240 lot of appeal, but like if you think that Canada 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:06.480 is going to keep being what would a lot of 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:09.480 Americans see it as as the United States collapses into 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:13.679 like fascism. I don't know how realistic a proposition that 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:16.120 really is. And it's the same for a lot of places, 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:19.240 Like all of these problems are global problems, and moving 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:22.760 geographically unless you're wealthy enough to move to like some 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:26.920 fortified compound protected by contractors in a place that is 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:31.280 actually insulated from climate change to a significant extent, um 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:34.360 is not the does not bring the degree of security 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:37.240 you might expect. Um, I do think there is. I 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:41.360 do think it is generally speaking, a noble and positive thing, 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:44.520 uh to to to stay and try to make things 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:48.480 better where you are. But um, you know, I think everybody, 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:51.480 I think everyone. I think every like single person, whether 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:54.080 they admit it or not, would leave at a certain 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:56.720 point if they possibly could. Um, And I don't think 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:59.920 anyone is. I don't think anyone owes it to the 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:06.080 world to like, uh die in a place that they 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:19.599 hate just because um, that's where they were born and 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:26.320 we're bad. Okay, what tool besides bolt cutters should we 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:30.720 all own in a collapse situation? First of all, bolt cutters, 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:34.400 that should not be your first picture to for a tool. No, No, 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:37.960 it should be an angle grinder with a diamond blade. No. 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:41.360 Even like water filters gotten me out of a number 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:45.960 of types water filtration systems. There's a starters, like, there's 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:47.920 a lot of there's a lot of stuff if not 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:50.920 even's not water filtration, you can get tablets or honestly, 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:53.280 like you can have a little hand pump filter and 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:57.319 water purification tablets along with a little you know, there's 0:10:57.360 --> 0:10:59.120 a number of things that are that should be in 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:02.240 a go bag away. You do get some amount of 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:04.520 of already clean water in a way to get more 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:08.280 clean water, enough food to at least deal with three 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:12.679 to five days. Um, some rope. UM. A good knife 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:16.400 multi tool is even better in most situations if you 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:19.480 have if you don't mind the weight, a belt knife 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:21.600 and a multi tool would be great. Or a multi 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:24.200 tool in a little hand axe, which depending on where 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:27.040 you live, might be more useful in splitting wood. A 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:31.840 good fire starter. UM. Some amount of rubbing alcohol, which 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:35.840 is always a handy thing to have on hand. UM. 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:39.480 Either maps or you know, batteries for an electronic device 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:44.160 that might be able to act as a map. Um. Yeah, 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:48.440 that that's all useful stuff. UM. I do I I 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:50.800 do keep in the boot of my car generally an 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:53.800 angle grinder. UM. I have come into, especially living out 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:55.760 in the middle of nowhere, a couple of situations like 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:58.560 sometimes somebody has a health emergency and there is a 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:01.839 fence in the way. UM, and it's it has been 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:03.960 something that is and is I think going to be 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:06.960 easier for boat cutters are good at what they do, 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:09.440 they also require a lot of forearm and upper body 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:11.240 strength that is not going to be as much of 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:14.280 an option for people. So angle grinder not a bad 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:17.320 thing to have in any sort of like it, especially 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:18.679 if you like if you're if you're planning a kid, 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:20.080 like I want to keep ship in my car because 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:23.280 the wildfires are coming right, Um, Well, you're probably don't 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:26.200 want a battery powered saw, um because depending on the 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:28.800 capable Even if you have a very capable off roading vehicle, 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:31.120 everyone I know who does serious overlanding is like, well 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:34.240 you keep a fucking chainsaw in there because sometimes you 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:36.120 need to cut wood out of the way and you're 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:38.560 just not going to get your car over it. Um. 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:40.720 So it really depends on what you're doing, and like 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:45.800 what the what the the kind of potential threats you're 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:50.000 worried about are um, But yeah, I think the basics 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:54.240 are way to get water, some amount of food, ability 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:57.640 to start a fire. Something like a space blanket is 0:12:57.720 --> 0:12:59.600 useful if you live in a place where it actually 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:02.240 gets hold. You should have a space blanket and a 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:07.120 wool blanket or a couple of wool blankets, because those 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:10.200 will retain heat much better. Wool keeps like eight of 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:13.360 its insulating capacity even when wet, and like layering wool 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:17.680 and survival blankets UM can be a really effective way 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:23.680 to keep yourself from dying in in in bad weather situations. Um. 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:26.160 That said, depending on where you are, there may be 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:29.040 no realistic way to protect yourself in the like if 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:31.400 you are in certain parts of the Midwest at certain 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:33.800 parts of the winter, it may not matter so much, 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:38.120 like what blankets you have at access to frustrating the 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:40.560 will there's and there's no like structures around you, then yeah, 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:46.160 it's negative. There's only so much. Yeah, I do love 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:49.800 collecting a lock bypass tools. It's one of my favorite 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:54.320 things is just to have these practice using them. Um. 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:57.200 Something I got for when I went to the Earth 0:13:57.200 --> 0:14:01.360 First Gathering that worked out pretty well was a foldable 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:04.200 solar panel that connects to USB. That's enough to keep 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:08.280 my phone alive always. So in terms of always wanting 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:11.120 a map, this little foldable thing is enough to keep 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:13.360 my phone able to have a map assuming I have 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:16.400 cell service. So I was skeptical of how much this 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:19.840 thing could work. Um, and it it did a decent 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:22.400 enough job. It even kept it even kept like my 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:26.400 iPad pro um uh powered as well, so it had 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:29.480 had had a decent amount of square footage once you 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:33.720 unroll it. So that was very useful. But yeah, I 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:37.280 mean I I really like luck bypass stuff. Um, it's 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:39.840 one of one of one of my other hobbies. So 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:42.200 this is, you know, a variety of tools in that 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:44.200 type that it's a nice to get, like a decent 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:49.000 collection of also like especially now, but probably in general, 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:52.360 like have masks like just I mean just in general, 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:56.040 like sure have masks, have lots of them. Make sure 0:14:56.080 --> 0:15:00.280 you can change them. Yeah, I have a gas mask 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:04.080 if that's at all physically like respond like fiscally possible 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:06.440 for you. Mira is the one I think Garrison and 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:13.480 I would both recommend to the want really good gas 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:17.440 wonderful again all of these kids, there's the kid are like, okay, 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:19.920 what is the what is what's necessary? And then there's 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:21.680 like all right, if you have money or if you 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:23.640 have time that you want to learn extra skills? What 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:25.680 are other things like lock picks? If you're just a 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:27.920 random Joe and you've never like, don't throw lock picks 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:29.640 in your kid, if you've never done any lock pick ship, 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:33.280 they're not going to help you. Um. But if that 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:35.520 that is a skill that is worth picking up and 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:40.960 that will make you like more resilient. Um yeah um 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:44.560 oh And a fourteen point nine millimeter anti material rifle. UM, 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:47.200 you're always gonna need one of those. They're they stay 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:49.960 supersonic it up to three and a half miles UM, 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:53.680 which is really useful, So definitely, definitely, and they're only 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:57.160 you probably aren't going to spend more than dollars getting 0:15:57.160 --> 0:15:59.480 one set up, So it's it's really for the price 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:03.200 of of of a fairly new Toyota Prius, you could 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:07.000 have UM an anti material rifle that con pierce armored 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:09.880 vehicles at at several miles distance, And really what is 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:15.400 more pragmatic a survival tool than that, and we for it. 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:22.760 It's only like around that's just a moderately expensive meal 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:30.400 per bullet. Christopher, Uh, do you think that corporations like 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:37.200 Walmart or Amazon could become more military stick as? Yeah? 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:40.320 I mean yeah, I think I think absolutely. The trend 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:44.560 that worries me as Amazon's increasing UM collaborations with in 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:47.160 deeper connections with like the FBI and other kind of 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:50.800 law enforcement agencies. UM. The degree to which target has 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:53.400 also like with the FBI and like with other agencies, 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:57.040 because they're they're anti shrink department and whatnot. They're like 0:16:57.320 --> 0:17:00.880 they're the surveillance they've built to stop theft is so advanced. 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:03.200 They have one of the best crime labs in the 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:07.680 whole United States. Yeah, organizations like Tiger Swan, which is 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:11.479 a mercenary group that the Dakota Pipeline people, the Dapple 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:13.800 folks like hired to crack down on the Standing Rock 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:17.119 protests and have have worked in other There's other organizations 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:20.399 like that that we're active during the BLM protests and 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:23.639 kind of the I I do think we're seeing a 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:27.920 pair of militarization of a lot of these corporation, a 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:30.320 lot of these corporations in order to protect their what 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:33.879 they see is their financial interests um and that that 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:37.639 is that is proceeding rapidly. And it's not the thing 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:40.040 that I'm not most I'm not most worried about them. 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:43.800 Like do like having armed forces, although there will be 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:46.399 some degree of that. There's already that's already happened, Like 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:50.720 in Portland and downtown Portland there are armed effectively like 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:55.919 mercenaries guarding certain businesses and certain areas like as a 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:58.879 result of like you know, to deal with quote unquote 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:01.679 the gun crime or whatever property crime that's raised. But 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:03.639 the thing that I think is most concerning is the 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:10.040 degree to which they are professionalizing a paramilitary surveillance apparatus UM, 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:12.560 and Amazon has done it to do stuff like crackdown 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.560 on union organizing and whatnot. Like, So, yeah, I'm very 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:18.480 concerned with that. I'm I I think that the the 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:21.439 dimension of it that's most frightening is not necessarily like 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:26.000 the shadow run, you know, corporations buying armies, but rather 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:29.600 corporations buying like intelligence agencies. UM is kind of the 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:31.720 thing that I think will actually be the biggest threat 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:34.640 UM because in a lot of cases, generally speaking, if 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:36.680 I have to deal with an armed security guard or 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:39.480 a cop, that security guard is going to be less 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:41.640 of a pain in the ass than the cop. UM. 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:44.320 Not always, but as a general rule, I'm less worried 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:48.320 about security guards than cops, even armed ones. I think 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:51.440 another thing that's important to keep in mind is that, yeah, 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:54.240 I mean, so's like I don't. I don't. I really 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:56.159 don't think there's a danger that we're going to go 0:18:56.200 --> 0:19:00.520 back to like East India company style, like people with 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:03.119 mass armies, because it's it's literally too expensive, Like you can't, 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:06.600 it's it's too expensive, and the armies that exist already 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:08.800 do that. Yeah, yeah, you don't need them. But but 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:10.400 I mean, I think that the thing the thing that's 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:14.840 like scary outside of the intelligence stuff, which is terrifying, 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:17.560 but it's the stuff they do down like like you 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:20.280 call it down the supply chain, which is like you know, 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:23.960 the Cocolan murdering union organizers with paramilitaries, right, they tend 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:27.399 to work through like like you know, the corporations will 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:30.760 back rebel groups, right, corporations will back like you know, 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:32.439 in Colombia, you see a lot of this is like 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:37.840 you have these sort of like these I mean something 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:41.160 about some of the back just directly by landholding holding corporations. 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:44.840 Some of them are backed by just individual large landholders. 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:48.080 But you get these, like you know, you get basically 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:50.359 these paramilitaries that are sort of the third wave after 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:53.720 the army goes in, and that stuff is very scary 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:59.040 or probably we're probably gonna see more of that, and yeah, 0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:00.600 but but but but I think it's it's kind of 0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:06.880 important that there's there there's an extent to which again 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:10.400 you'll see them having their own mercenaries. But a lot 0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:15.120 of the time it's there's some kind of thing when 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:18.840 when when companies really need to kill someone, they tend 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:23.520 to outsource that to aid like another sort of paramilitary organization. 0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:26.240 That's like not directly in their supply chain. It's like 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:29.760 they thought directly under the train in command. Mhm. So yeah, 0:20:29.800 --> 0:20:33.680 that's that's a good and fun time that we'll probably 0:20:33.680 --> 0:20:40.280 just get worse mhm. Speaking of corporate uh funkori or whatever. 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:43.320 You get a Coca Cola add? I hope, I hope 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:45.600 you do. Got a Coca Cola add because nothing soothes 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:50.400 my quench like a cherry vanilla Coca Cola. Nothing soothes 0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:54.359 your quench. That's what I said. Those are words that 0:20:54.400 --> 0:21:07.200 came out of a mouth. We're back, okay, Robert. Somebody 0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:11.760 had a question about back when you worked at Track, 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:14.119 about a woman who was hiding from their family. The 0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:17.520 end of article, you mentioned that you haven't heard from 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:20.120 her in a couple of weeks leading up to and 0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:22.680 they want to know if you've ever heard from her again. 0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:25.840 So yeah, that's a bummer. The pseudonym I'm I'm not 0:21:25.840 --> 0:21:27.119 going to use her real name in this, but the 0:21:27.160 --> 0:21:29.000 pseudonym I used for her in the article was as Am. 0:21:29.160 --> 0:21:32.440 She was a woman who lived in Um the EU 0:21:32.920 --> 0:21:36.399 and uh was under threat of honor killing from her 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:40.280 family who were from Pakistan in origin Um because she 0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:45.480 was an atheist, was not UM religious hardliner UM and 0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:47.239 didn't want to be. And for years she had kind 0:21:47.280 --> 0:21:49.560 of hidden that from her family, Like she'd moved out 0:21:49.600 --> 0:21:51.240 on her own, but she'd hidden the fact that, like 0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:53.200 she had a boyfriend, she'd hidden the fact that she'd 0:21:53.200 --> 0:21:55.400 liked played dungeons all of this stuff, like she played 0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:57.000 D and D and was like scared that, like that 0:21:57.119 --> 0:21:59.080 was like her dad would literally kill her. And this 0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:00.960 is a thing that happens, This is a thing that 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:03.320 happens in the United States and the EU. UM. It's 0:22:03.320 --> 0:22:06.760 a problem with like fundamentalist um Islam, and that's not 0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:09.480 the only religion there's honor killings as a result on. 0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:12.399 But that was her specific situation. One of the things 0:22:12.440 --> 0:22:14.760 she was frightened about is her family would go back 0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:17.840 to Pakistan regularly, and she was concerned. She wanted to 0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:19.920 go because it was the only way to see her grandparents, 0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:22.480 but she was also concerned that if her parents found 0:22:22.520 --> 0:22:26.760 out when they went back, they would basically imprison her 0:22:26.960 --> 0:22:29.200 somewhere where she would not be able to get out 0:22:29.240 --> 0:22:31.280 and get back to her home. And she would be 0:22:31.280 --> 0:22:33.919 forced to be married off or something. So she was 0:22:33.960 --> 0:22:36.919 working with an organization UM in the country in the 0:22:36.960 --> 0:22:40.440 EU where she lived that helped people extricate themselves and 0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:41.639 and the kind of one of the last things she 0:22:41.680 --> 0:22:43.240 told me is that, like, well, the things she was 0:22:43.280 --> 0:22:45.359 looking at doing because she was so worried about her 0:22:45.400 --> 0:22:49.560