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Speaker 1: Welcome back to it could happen here the podcast where

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Speaker 1: Jay your Boltonaro was once again in the hospital getting

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Speaker 1: all of the facings sucked out of his in the hospital.

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Speaker 1: The most consistently dying man in the world. You know what,

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Speaker 1: this man in history, you know, actually literally full of

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Speaker 1: ship again. You know what? You know what this means.

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Speaker 1: It approximately three four weeks, Stephen Crowder is going to

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Speaker 1: get some horrible illness. And if we said to the hospitals,

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Speaker 1: well the cycle, this is the only like the cycle.

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Speaker 1: My hope for both of them is that they find

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Speaker 1: out that each has an obscure disease that can only

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Speaker 1: be cured by piping ship from the other into them,

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Speaker 1: And so they just hook them up via a tube

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Speaker 1: and they're just sucking poop out of each of them

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Speaker 1: and putting it into the other person. That would be

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Speaker 1: very funny. Hot All right, what's our first question? Our

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Speaker 1: first question? So this was specifically addressed to Chris, so

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Speaker 1: Chris you can answer first, But I think this is

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Speaker 1: a question for for everyone. Really, what is your favorite

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Speaker 1: piece of history that you haven't been able to talk

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Speaker 1: about yet on the show that isn't deserving of a

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Speaker 1: whole episode, favorite piece of I mean, we ain't talked

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Speaker 1: about the Zapatista as yet because I don't I don't

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Speaker 1: yet feel comfortable, uh with with my level of knowledge there.

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Speaker 1: But it's definitely history that's extremely relevant to the kind

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Speaker 1: of ship we talked about on the show. Have I

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Speaker 1: the show? We've talked about that at all? Either? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean althought. I mean that that probably is deserving

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Speaker 1: Extremely cool, I guess in terms of like really short,

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Speaker 1: not deserving of its own episode, I don't know either,

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Speaker 1: because I've I've been able to elongate all my periods

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Speaker 1: wouldn't cover. There's certainly things we haven't covered yet for

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Speaker 1: a variety of reasons. Often just like I don't feel

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Speaker 1: like we've had the time to do. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of work. Yeah, it's like why why haven't why haven't

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Speaker 1: we done a Mao episodes like do you know how

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Speaker 1: much ship that motherfucker got in his life? I have

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Speaker 1: been like mentally like psychologically preparing myself to start working

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Speaker 1: on mat like this is a ah, that's that Actually, no,

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Speaker 1: it's the Mango Colts. It's definitely the Mango Colts. Did

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Speaker 1: you did you did you know about this? No? The

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Speaker 1: Mango Colts. Yeah, okay, So so Mao got like I

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Speaker 1: Prime Minister of Pakistan some something like dignitary like gave

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Speaker 1: him a man. This is this is like this is

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Speaker 1: the beginning of the cultural revolution. Somebody gives him a

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Speaker 1: mango and he like hands this mango off to like

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Speaker 1: turns into like a cult. Like people like they take

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Speaker 1: this mango, they like preserve it. It's it's like they

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Speaker 1: This just like this this massive things that is this

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Speaker 1: This this spreads like wildfire. It's like people are doing

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Speaker 1: mango cults and it is it is wild. The culture

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Speaker 1: revolution is a is a it is a time. It is. Well,

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Speaker 1: I know what I'm getting everyone for Christmas this year.

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Speaker 1: They're my favorite fruit. Like, well, we'll see if the

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Speaker 1: species survives this next summer. Oh we will, Yeah, we'll

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Speaker 1: just be growing. So just be growing in Siberia. Mangoes

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Speaker 1: sprouting from the corpses of fucking antelope. That is beautiful. Um,

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Speaker 1: I can't think of anything. Next question, okay, uh speaking

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Speaker 1: that's problematic. Problematic. Uh huh. We got a few questions

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Speaker 1: like I already have my Canadian passport, so that is

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Speaker 1: one I can see myself in my theorties and forties,

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Speaker 1: living in Canada will be a lot easier in a

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Speaker 1: Like living in Canada at a certain point will just

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Speaker 1: make a lot more sense for me. So yeah, I

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Speaker 1: getting past Canadian border patrol. Not that hard in terms

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Speaker 1: it is actually pretty easy to get to get up there. Um,

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Speaker 1: if you want to do it legally, that's definitely a

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Speaker 1: I think. I mean, like it's important to know that,

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Speaker 1: So I I say moving up is or moving away

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Speaker 1: a general rule, I'm very sympathetic towards refugees, And that's

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Speaker 1: Like all of these problems are global problems, and moving

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Speaker 1: geographically unless you're wealthy enough to move to like some

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Speaker 1: we're bad. Okay, what tool besides bolt cutters should we

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Speaker 1: all own in a collapse situation? First of all, bolt cutters,

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Speaker 1: Either maps or you know, batteries for an electronic device

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Speaker 1: the wildfires are coming right, Um, Well, you're probably don't

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Speaker 1: insult the first asking it. But I think that that's

430
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Speaker 1: that's not that's not not what I'm trying to do. Um.

431
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 1: The question is, um, what population can the post capitalist

432
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Speaker 1: world sustain and thrive on with our ideas and concepts?

433
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Speaker 1: A billion? Like we currently have six billion to a

434
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Speaker 1: billion less than ability? Like how how do people are

435
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Speaker 1: you willing to lose to achieve sustainability? Because I forget

436
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: that the community and are optimistic with proper technology and

437
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Speaker 1: ecosustainability techniques we can maintain a population close to what

438
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Speaker 1: we have now. And Yeah, I feel like just the

439
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 1: framing of this question kind of approaches our current problems

440
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: and the solutions we have in a weird way, because

441
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Speaker 1: I don't think we're not trying to reach a eek population.

442
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Speaker 1: We're trying to make sure the people that we have

443
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Speaker 1: have enough stuff to live well, and we have that

444
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Speaker 1: right now. We we we overproduce everything. We make about

445
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Speaker 1: one and a half times as much food as we

446
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Speaker 1: need to to feed everybody. Yet there are billions and

447
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Speaker 1: millions of people who go hungry. So it's not a

448
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: so like it's approaching this question. Yeah, so approaching this

449
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Speaker 1: question in terms of, like how could the post capitalist

450
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Speaker 1: world thrive on our ideas and like I, we're not

451
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Speaker 1: trying to like reach a certain population number, where I

452
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 1: think going it from that way is kind of a

453
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Speaker 1: little silly because I feel like it should be the

454
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Speaker 1: opposite is. But yeah, I don't know why we don't

455
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Speaker 1: think we need to start with population and then go down.

456
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Speaker 1: The point is is, look what we have, here's the people.

457
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Speaker 1: Let's distribute this like a network instead of a top

458
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Speaker 1: down kind of system. Yeah, I think that one of

459
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Speaker 1: the things you have to if you're taught, if you're

460
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Speaker 1: trying to talk about social ecology, one of the things

461
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: you have to resist, UM is this idea that like

462
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Speaker 1: they're overpopulation is any part of the problem. It is not.

463
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Speaker 1: Consumption is a problem, um, But there's plenty of resources.

464
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Speaker 1: The problem is again one of allocation. And if you

465
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Speaker 1: were to actually develop a much more equitable society where

466
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Speaker 1: people were getting enough, one of the things that we

467
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Speaker 1: have seen demographically all over the world when um the

468
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Speaker 1: level of kind of UM, when the the sort of

469
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Speaker 1: resources available per capita and a population increases, is people

470
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Speaker 1: have less kids um and And like I think that, yeah,

471
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Speaker 1: it's certainly good to say that, like, in a world

472
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Speaker 1: that is more equitable, the human population will naturally level

473
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Speaker 1: off and decrease somewhat. But that the thing that's not

474
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Speaker 1: the same as saying that, like, we need to decrease

475
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Speaker 1: the population. We need to increase um equity um and

476
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Speaker 1: and make sure that people have access to the resources

477
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Speaker 1: that they need UM and also that people who are

478
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: massively over consuming aren't allowed to do that anymore. You know,

479
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: that will solve the problems and scale back all of

480
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Speaker 1: the resources being put towards useless growth and predicted towards

481
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Speaker 1: better distribution, thus actually mean like the questioner used the

482
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Speaker 1: term like post capitalist, I don't think we're gonna get

483
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Speaker 1: to a post capitalist world ever, like, at least at

484
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Speaker 1: least not when I'm allowed. I don't think like a world. No.

485
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,719
Speaker 1: Will there be post capitalist areas, probably, but we're never

486
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: gonna get there. There's never gonna be a post capitalist world.

487
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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I don't think that. I also

488
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Speaker 1: think it's entirely possible that we will reach points that

489
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Speaker 1: people in the time will not necessarily consider post capitalist

490
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 1: because it will be the same states and a lot

491
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Speaker 1: of the same institutions organizations that were there as a kid.

492
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Speaker 1: But people who were, you know, looking at it from

493
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Speaker 1: a perspective today might consider post capitalist because that's generally

494
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Speaker 1: how change happens. You know. Yeah, about like how democracy

495
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,479
Speaker 1: increased in in the UK, but they still had like

496
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Speaker 1: a king. It's like when did they they're not, they

497
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,959
Speaker 1: never really reached post mod anarchy. But it's also not

498
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Speaker 1: the same system that they were run by in like

499
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Speaker 1: four hundred, you know, it's wildly different and there's much

500
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Speaker 1: more representation for more people. But it it's that is

501
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: not you know that there's also you also have your

502
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 1: your Soviet unions and your your killing of czars, and

503
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: which which is fine, and and and and and I

504
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 1: I like killings ours. But change happens in a variety

505
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,360
Speaker 1: of ways, and change can be revolutionary in its effect

506
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: without being a clear break. Yeah. I'm just trying to

507
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Speaker 1: think of like how we're talking about like the capitalist

508
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Speaker 1: world thriving, Like I don't I don't view eight billion

509
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: people thriving right now even with that like a lot

510
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: of like it's not like it's that's not what's happening

511
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: right now, And we need to change the way like

512
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Speaker 1: distribution of resources works drastically, and doing that will make

513
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: everyone's lives a whole lot better. And it will also

514
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: maybe about some of the endless growth and those things

515
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: aren't opposites, um And I just I don't know how

516
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: like we can say those things, but the path to

517
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: getting there is certainly a lot more ambiguous. Yeah, And

518
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Speaker 1: I think that that's I think one of the ways

519
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: in which the left goes wrong often is kind of

520
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: looking at things that have been tried before and and

521
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: didn't didn't didn't do the trick and saying like what

522
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: we need is we need us another Bolshevik revolution. You know,

523
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: we need to bring back that you hammer and sickle.

524
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: And it's like, well, you know, they gave it the

525
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: old College try and they did not win. UM. And

526
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: you can be angry at that or whatever, or you

527
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: can be like, Okay, it's the same, and hey, it's

528
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: it's every tendency. I can look at the fucking Maknos

529
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: and be like, well, that was based as hell, and

530
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: you know what, it didn't do the fucking trick. UM.

531
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Speaker 1: So I think there's a degree of humility that needs

532
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: to be had in terms of like what actual, what

533
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: actual change that makes a more livable world will look

534
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: like in the way in which That's one of the

535
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: reasons I did enjoy Kim Stanley Robinson's Ministry of the

536
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: Future is a lot of it is about the end

537
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: of capitalism in a way that is not UM. It's

538
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: it's it. It doesn't look like a lot of ends

539
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: of capitalism have have kind of been posited by UM.

540
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: There's a lot of uh strong arming bankers into like

541
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: forcing high level economic changes that put insto like really

542
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: extractive systems and whatnot UM, and it's it's it's interesting.

543
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: It was kind of an imagining of how the transition

544
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: could begin UM in a way that that isn't commonly

545
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: talked about UM, at least on the left. And I

546
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: thought it was valuable for that, And I think people

547
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: should be I think there's I think that UM UM

548
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: people can be more creative in how they envisioned the

549
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: way that might look than they they often are. And

550
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: I feel like this question actually relates to like stuff

551
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: like dual power really well, because our our goal individuals

552
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: is not feeding eight billion people. Our goal is to

553
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: get a garden enough so that we can feed most

554
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: of our friends off of stuff that we grew for

555
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: like the summer, right, Like that's like that's what our

556
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: goal is to is to build it from that way

557
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: instead of saying, like how how can we feed New

558
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: York in a climate sustainable way? That is a very

559
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: different question than being like if we want to integrate

560
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: solar punk and like eco sustainability stuff into our lives now,

561
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: because if we don't do it, no one really else

562
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: is really going to. Let's start with the people you

563
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: actually already have connections with, because a lot of it

564
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: is is about building like horizontal connections as opposed to

565
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: defaulting to this top down system of who has what,

566
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: who needs what? And this is when we when we venture,

567
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: when we dare to venture into the subreddit. One of

568
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: the things I see people like critiquing a lot is like, well,

569
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: you're you know, they keep talking about like all of

570
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: these little like home gardening and like canning and and

571
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: and kind of these community level solutions, but that's not

572
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: going to deal with like this massive systemic problem. And

573
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, it's not all about that. There's there's

574
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: One of the methods in which you can ensure change

575
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: is keeping you and yours alive and committed on change.

576
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: And part of that is ex hyper local solutions UM

577
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: that also involve increasing your own idea of your autonomy

578
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: and your own and your own understanding of things like

579
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,479
Speaker 1: the food cycle, which have an impact on what you

580
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: like vote for and what you support pushing for on

581
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: like a societal level, the things that you come to

582
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: better understand in your daily life, and and so getting

583
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: involved in all of these things guerilla gardening and whatnot

584
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: UM has an impact on that. All I do think

585
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: people underestimate, like the largest crop by acreage in the

586
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: United States by a long shot, is fucking lawns and

587
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: replacing lawns with either zero escaping just to increase carbon

588
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: capture and reduce water usage, or with some sort of

589
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: food growth. Doing a mix of that for the vast

590
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Speaker 1: majority of like lawn area in the United States actually

591
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: would be a significant thing on a global level. Recommend

592
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: everyone the Book of Food not lawns. Yeah, there's it's

593
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: that that would not be a meaningless change, and it

594
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: is something that people can have an impact on because

595
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: it is the kind of thing that if we were

596
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: to get popular enough, there's a Pokemon point, you know,

597
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: where it where it becomes a trend um and and

598
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: like Pokemon, if it gets popular enough, it will never die.

599
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: That's what we say about all of our stuff on

600
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Speaker 1: our show. If it if it becomes like Pokemon or

601
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: or n f T point, if that's But I don't

602
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: think in FT Pokemon is so much better than any

603
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Speaker 1: n f T. Although the day that this drops, that

604
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: will probably announce the Pokemon n FT game, which will

605
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: be the final coffin in the biosphere. All of all

606
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: of all of my Pokemons are gone. I've been had

607
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: all my apes gone. That was my favorite post of

608
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: the holiday season. Oh, Robert, do you want to give

609
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: an update on After the Revolution? That was asked a

610
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 1: couple of times. Yeah, seel, I'm three chapters in. Um,

611
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: it'll be done, hopefully at some point this year. Garrison.

612
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Speaker 1: Garrison has a question on that. Are you going to

613
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Speaker 1: pay someone else to code the book? No? No, no,

614
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: we pay you, Garrison. I don't want to code this. Yeah,

615
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: well I have to work on the Daily Show. Now

616
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 1: I cannot code this. We all have things to do

617
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: we don't want to do. Oh gosh, alright, I'm so sorry, Garrison,

618
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 1: so sorry. We'll have you code some other people's books

619
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Speaker 1: just to get get practiced. Stoff, no more coding. I

620
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: will not allow it. There are there there are experts

621
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: who can do this a lot prettier than I can

622
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 1: with my I think, Garrison, I consider you an expert.

623
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Speaker 1: Now ope, no, in in in E pub coding. I'll

624
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 1: put that on my resume. Well, I think that does

625
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: it for us today, folks. If you want to follow

626
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: us on social media so you can watch us promote

627
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 1: our own shows again, you can go to Cool's own

628
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: Media on Twitter, Instagram, and happen here pod and wouldn't

629
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Speaker 1: that be lovely? We get so much more connections through online.

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Speaker 1: That's wow? That really do I love online? Yeah? And uh,

631
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: we're doing it Behind the Bastards live stream digital show

632
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: with prop on. That doesn't sound right, That doesn't This

633
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Speaker 1: bit is so not funny everything time, it's not a bit.

634
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Speaker 1: I'm just dreading it. I'm dreading it to but we're

635
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:42,760
Speaker 1: doing it. February moment House dot Com tickets still available.

636
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Speaker 1: They are a moment how star come slash Behind the Bastards?

637
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Speaker 1: Can I them scalpel them to the fans? I in

638
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: the scarcity is the key? Well do that if you

639
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: have disposable income and want to watch Robert talk Okay, yeah, yeah,

640
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: more than we already do. I guarantee you it'll be

641
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,280
Speaker 1: worth it. Well that's the episode. Thank you for listening.

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Speaker 1: I hope everyone has uh better two that would be nice.

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Speaker 1: And I hope everyone has an identical two down to

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Speaker 1: the day and until in May you realize that you're

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Speaker 1: actually in like a groundhog Day style loop. Um, and

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Speaker 1: then you would achieve nirvauna if I'm remembering how the

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Speaker 1: movie Groundhog Day went properly? Sure, Uh, Yeah, that sounds

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Speaker 1: that sounds great. Have a good year, makes some changes,

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Speaker 1: make connections with people around you. There there you just

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Speaker 1: just define them. Talk to people who look like they

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Speaker 1: have cool politics or start doing cool things. You know,

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Speaker 1: and started starting start doing cool things. Yeah, we should

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Speaker 1: address one last thing, which is the question people ask

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Speaker 1: that gets asked a lot, but we probably can't address enough,

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Speaker 1: which is like, there's no one around me doing any

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Speaker 1: of this mutual A stuff. There's nobody around me engaging

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Speaker 1: any of the stuff that I want to get How

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Speaker 1: do how do I get organized and get involved? Number one?

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Speaker 1: There are people around you doing that kind of ship.

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Speaker 1: It may just be hard to find because of where

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Speaker 1: you are. UM. But if you start doing ship, if

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Speaker 1: you like, the simplest thing I can say is try

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Speaker 1: and figure out where there's a need and start filling

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Speaker 1: it UM. Often you will start meeting other people who

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Speaker 1: are engaged in adjacent projects or even the same thing UM.

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Speaker 1: And that's a way to get into it if you

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Speaker 1: are trying to start, if you actually get so far

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Speaker 1: as to start serving a need in your area in

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Speaker 1: a mutual aid capacity UM and trying to start organizing

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Speaker 1: and whatnot, and you're doing shit, feel free to hit

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Speaker 1: us up on email reach out. We are happy to

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Speaker 1: signal boost and signpost people who are have actually started

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Speaker 1: doing shit. Um. It's one of those things. Please don't

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Speaker 1: come to I think this might be a cool idea,

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Speaker 1: but if you start doing shit, um, and you can

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Speaker 1: provide some evidence that you're you're doing something in your

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Speaker 1: community that's not currently being done that is a mutual

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Speaker 1: aid type thing, or even even a charitable type thing

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Speaker 1: if it's if you're doing it, we will try to

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Speaker 1: help signal boost and and can be very useful in

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Speaker 1: that capacity. So so it's not easy necessarily, especially depending

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Speaker 1: on where you live, but like you do, it's always

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Speaker 1: possible to find a need and fill it, you know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I found that, uh definitely was easier before the pandemic.

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Speaker 1: But a way that I've met people that are a

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Speaker 1: little bit more open minded to the same things that

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Speaker 1: I'm open minded too, was going to like local comedy

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Speaker 1: shows or things things that like farmers markets, farmers market,

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Speaker 1: you know, wherever kind of weird, not not in the

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Speaker 1: normal culture people will go to. You'll probably find someone

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Speaker 1: there with radical politics. Yeah, that's problem, all those types

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Speaker 1: of like like you know, countercultural subcultural spaces. You'll probably

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Speaker 1: find someone there who's wearing a back patch that is

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Speaker 1: something like smashed to something. You know, so like just

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Speaker 1: like you, you have to you know you're not going

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Speaker 1: to find them by staying at your in your house

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Speaker 1: and scrolling on Twitter. I mean they probably not. You

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Speaker 1: have to kind of go into the real world. Um

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Speaker 1: as scary as the meat space. Maybe yeah. And I

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Speaker 1: would say another thing to keep in mind if you

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Speaker 1: are in kind of a more conservative area, and even

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Speaker 1: if you do identify as an anarchist, you don't have

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Speaker 1: to frame it that way. You can always call yourself

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Speaker 1: a libertarian municipal list and none of the people who

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Speaker 1: might be offended by anarchists will listen past libertarian and

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Speaker 1: they'll decide you're fine. And that's a great way to

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Speaker 1: to start that Like, uh, an ironic means the same

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Speaker 1: thing more or less. I mean there's other kinds of

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Speaker 1: anarchists who are but like most people who say they're anarchists,

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Speaker 1: if you were to call them libertarian municipalists would be like,

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Speaker 1: all right, whatever, yeah, not me, don't call me that,

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Speaker 1: but call call Chris that constantly. That's that's that's that's it.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back tomorrow or maybe not. I don't know what,

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Speaker 1: probably tomorrow, probably tomorrow. Maybe that's what I'm saying, and

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Speaker 1: it's been said. If you say so, it could happen

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