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Speaker 1: Coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus

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Speaker 1: in Barrie, Ohio. This is Cleveland Browns Daily, brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Bally Bett now live in Ohio on eight

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Speaker 1: fifty ESPN Cleveland. Here are your hosts, Bo Bishop and

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Speaker 1: Nathan Zegura.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's do live on a Thursday edition of

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Speaker 2: Cleveland Browns Daily. I am merely Bo. He is the

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Speaker 2: great Gibbe boy. I'm in a great mood, Gibbe. It

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Speaker 2: is sun kissed in northeast Ohio. The sun is out.

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Speaker 2: It's a bluebird day. How are things back in Hellscape?

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Speaker 3: Indy? Uh? We don't have the ice I believe. Didn't

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Speaker 3: you have an ice storm this morning? I don't know.

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Speaker 4: My wife said something will curR up.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. It's fine. My wife was like, seventy

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Speaker 3: one is shut down, ninety had some clubs. I'm food

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Speaker 3: on the east side living what you're doing here? How

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Speaker 3: about this? So I can hear myself? There we go. No,

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Speaker 3: I wrote it down for you. I wrote it down.

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Speaker 3: I scripted it out for you exactly what pot is?

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Speaker 3: What come on?

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Speaker 4: He's sprinting around making things happen.

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Speaker 3: I want you to know. Have you ever heard of

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Speaker 3: the lemon drop shot. You're like, you need a fun

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Speaker 3: little shot. You're like, there's a lemon drop.

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Speaker 2: It seems like something that I remember lady friends doing

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Speaker 2: when I was in the collegiate times and then maybe

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Speaker 2: right after I couldn't tell.

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Speaker 4: I feel like vodka's involved, but it is.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: I only do shots of tequila. That's all I do,

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Speaker 2: and so everything else I'm terrified of. I don't like

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Speaker 2: the sweet aspect of it. So give me a lemon drop.

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Speaker 2: What am I looking at here?

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure other than vodka and there's something else

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Speaker 3: in it. Okay, but I'm going to tell you this.

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Speaker 3: The lemon drop is a shot. Yeah, it is a shot. Okay.

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Speaker 3: Our guy, who know, we're at high velocity, we're at

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Speaker 3: the JW sports part. It is a who's who. I

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Speaker 3: look over at the bar and is holding court and

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Speaker 3: I mean I mean holding court with members of other teams.

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Speaker 3: He comes back and it's it is like I think

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Speaker 3: Felis said it best. It's a it's a Martini glass.

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Speaker 3: That's like, it's like a half a Martini glass. It

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Speaker 3: is a glass, though it is a large glass, Okay,

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Speaker 3: it is full full of a lemon drop. Okay, so

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Speaker 3: this guy sucking down lemon drops like.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna stand up for udo for just a second

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Speaker 2: in this one aspect of this, and I'm gonna monishment

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Speaker 2: in another aspect.

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Speaker 4: Person. So a lemon there is a lemon drop martini.

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Speaker 4: That that is true? Is it's a sweet and sour.

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Speaker 2: It's you get a little triple second that there's a

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Speaker 2: fresh lemon juice. Uh, there's usually like a sugar that

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Speaker 2: is usually rimming the glass or something like that. That's

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Speaker 2: typically what you see. It is not something I would

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Speaker 2: say that is typically ordered and consumed by by a

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Speaker 2: by a no. No, that would not be if he

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Speaker 2: was going to have something out of a martini. Glass

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Speaker 2: of Manhattan or a martini would be the two things

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Speaker 2: that would be more.

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Speaker 4: In line there.

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Speaker 2: It is typically though you see a lemon drop shot.

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Speaker 2: It is rarely that you see a lemon drop cocktail.

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Speaker 2: And so he ordered the cocktail and he was parading.

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Speaker 3: Around cocktail a couple of cocktails.

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Speaker 4: Well, let him live, who gets hurt.

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Speaker 3: He was having a great time. He was having a

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Speaker 3: great time.

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Speaker 4: What a tremendous order out of him?

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Speaker 3: It was a tremendous order. Yeah, Griff was getting all

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Speaker 3: wild and crazy. He had two pepsis and three waters.

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Speaker 4: How many milkshakes did he get on door dash?

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Speaker 3: Did you have a milkshake last night? I could tell

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Speaker 3: you that Uno door dashed when we got back, and

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Speaker 3: I believe the remainder of the door dash is still

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Speaker 3: in his backpack.

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Speaker 4: That's correct, you're hauling at home.

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Speaker 5: Well, I ordered it last night and then fell asleep

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Speaker 5: before I got a chance to eat it, so didn't

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Speaker 5: want to waste the money bringing it with me today.

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Speaker 4: So what do I even dare ask?

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Speaker 2: What food would that would be fresh last night on

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Speaker 2: a door dash that would somehow still be fresh?

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Speaker 3: Sound, But it has not been in a fridge or

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Speaker 2: It doesn't feel good. I feel like that could lead

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Speaker 2: to food poisoning. Uno, you should probably see a doctor.

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Speaker 3: He hasn't eaten it yet, it's still I wouldn't.

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Speaker 4: I think you're fine. I think you I wouldn't. I'd

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Speaker 4: stay away from it if it has not been refrigerated,

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Speaker 4: I would stay away from that. So Zakura and I

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Speaker 4: leave it.

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Speaker 2: This is what happens, running around with lemon drops, ordering

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Speaker 2: door dash that he's packing in his backpack.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a day. We got a we got a

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Speaker 3: four and a half hour drive home, and luckily I

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Speaker 3: can't smell anything in life, so I'm good there. But

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Speaker 3: mine was pretty good.

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Speaker 2: I I did have the uh so I supercharged in

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Speaker 2: I got to Columbus. I supercharged in Columbus and they

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Speaker 2: had AH. There was at the new supercharger out by

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Speaker 2: Polaris is right across the street from a waffle house.

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Speaker 3: So I had a waffle house.

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Speaker 2: I have not had waffle house in twenty years. And

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Speaker 2: it's staring at me, just gold and yellow. I'm like, God,

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Speaker 2: how can I turn it down? Give me some scattered

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Speaker 2: and smothered and whatever Hash browns like that feels like

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Speaker 2: a win.

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Speaker 4: So I sidled right in there.

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Speaker 3: I ordered my belly up.

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Speaker 2: I just bellied up right to the bar there at

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Speaker 2: the waffle house. I thought it was also early enough

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Speaker 2: in the day that there wouldn't be too much tomfoolery

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Speaker 2: going around. And it was, you know, at six o'clock,

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Speaker 2: so it was fine. There were a couple of loud patrons,

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Speaker 2: but that's to be expected. That's in the brochure. I

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Speaker 2: gotta tell you, it was delicious. It was absolutely delicious. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Hash browns, scattered, smothered. I can't remember what it was,

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Speaker 2: but it was it was it was cheese, onions, mushrooms,

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Speaker 2: something else. And then I just went to Basco Salt

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Speaker 2: and pepper heaven, I mean so good. Just crushed it

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Speaker 2: with the waffle house as good as I remember now.

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Speaker 4: I didn't order Normally.

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Speaker 2: My order back in the day would have been that

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Speaker 2: with like an egg and then I would have put

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Speaker 2: it would.

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Speaker 4: Have gotten the waffle, like the pecan waffle.

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Speaker 2: But that just seemed to, you know, at my age,

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Speaker 2: that would have taken me two weeks to be able

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Speaker 2: to pass through the system.

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Speaker 3: I think we were literally talking about waffle house this morning,

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Speaker 3: and I'm like, I don't know if I've been to

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Speaker 3: a waffle house and actually eaten a waffle.

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Speaker 2: If you do, do the pecan waffle's amazing, like if okay,

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Speaker 2: really good. Yeah, but no, normally it's not. You eat

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Speaker 2: the other stuff, like the patty melts and the all

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And Una was talking about because we were breakfast

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Speaker 3: at the at the place where we're staying, Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: we were like, what's missing a waffle aker waffle, like

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Speaker 3: one of those like you just you pour it in.

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Speaker 3: You flip the cooker over and then it dings and

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Speaker 3: you flip it back, and that's right. You take the

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Speaker 3: waffle lot because I'm not gonna lie the the breakfast

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Speaker 3: was outstanding on Monday, and it has been a downward

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Speaker 2: I got nervous. I went down there Tuesday morning, yes,

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Speaker 2: and or was it Wednesday morning?

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Speaker 3: My days are?

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Speaker 4: It was I think yesterday morning. I went down there.

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Speaker 4: They did have the eggs still yesterday, right, did memory?

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Speaker 3: Do I have that right? I don't think so that

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Speaker 3: it was like a keysh or something.

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Speaker 4: Oh that's a rough call. So the egg the egg. Now,

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Speaker 4: I was up a long before you guys on Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: I was down there like right whenever it opened, like

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Speaker 2: a little nervous when I see the eggs, the scrambled egg.

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Speaker 4: Like it with in water. I don't I understand that

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Speaker 4: how they cook them, but like I don't know, I

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Speaker 4: like to have a little bit of a dryer egg.

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Speaker 4: So so I did gotch on that.

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Speaker 2: I think anytime if you if you go with a

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Speaker 2: some sort of hash bround because then you can hot

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Speaker 2: sauce it and salt and pepper. That's the win. That's

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Speaker 2: the breakfast. That's the breakfast buffet that you're looking for.

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Speaker 2: My friend, did you guys get to did you guys

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Speaker 2: get to Elmo's for lunch?

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Speaker 3: No? We did not get to almost for lunch. Job

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Speaker 3: no no, no, no, no no. We've been a little busy

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Speaker 3: here this morning. We had a we had to tape

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Speaker 3: a couple of interviews. There was some podium stuff going on.

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Speaker 3: Who was at the podium just trying to pack up

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Speaker 3: players we got. We got players at polliums like prospects. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: then you know, we we got to help out the league.

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Speaker 3: Everybody that's at media row has to do certain tasks

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Speaker 3: to help, like whether the transcripts or recording stuff or

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Speaker 3: everybody's got it has to have a couple assignments and

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Speaker 3: that way you can share everything. So when we draft someone,

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Speaker 3: we can go back and we can pull their presser

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Speaker 3: and all that stuff up. So it's and it's our

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Speaker 3: getaway day. So we're trying to pack everything up and

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Speaker 3: get everything squared away. The good news was about twenty

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Speaker 3: minutes before the show, this gentleman comes around the corner

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Speaker 3: and he's wearing a tuxedo and he has a tray

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Speaker 3: of shrimp cocktails. Good. They had their all social media

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Speaker 3: people and they're like, would you guys like this? I go,

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Speaker 3: everybody stand up, everybody get in this. We're all doing

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Speaker 3: this together because I am. I believe I was the

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Speaker 3: only one that has ever had a shrimp cocktail from

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Speaker 3: Saint Elmo's from St.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so everybody, Kelsey, Fela, griff oh, no, Chris, this

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Speaker 3: was suburgeon experience for all of them, all of them,

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Speaker 3: by all of them.

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Speaker 2: Did they do a typical Elmos or was it not?

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Speaker 3: The shrimp is loaded, yeah, like there's one shrimp. There's

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Speaker 3: one shrimp.

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Speaker 7: Oh.

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Speaker 3: They just get on a little play, but it is smothered.

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Speaker 3: Smothered being the word of the day.

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Speaker 4: Giving the kids on the how to take that in.

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Speaker 3: Well, I promptly proceed to say, like they're filming this,

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Speaker 3: I promptly proceed to say, you want to take a

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Speaker 3: small bite. You don't want to go big here like

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Speaker 3: that horse radish can come back and then you're not

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Speaker 3: tasting anything, you're not smelling anything, or you could just

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Speaker 3: almost die like Bishop did at at dinner a couple

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Speaker 3: of years ago. True story shook. It almost happened like

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Speaker 3: we had to like slam him on the back to

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Speaker 3: like like get him to stop coughing. It was. It

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Speaker 3: was bad. The guy in the tuxedo goes, I mean

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Speaker 3: you could do that. But the bear's crew around the corner,

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Speaker 3: I mean, they had no problem taking the whole thing down.

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Speaker 4: Well, now at this point, it's we're going.

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Speaker 3: All the way. Now we can't.

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Speaker 4: I don't.

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Speaker 4: It just hasn't happened.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, awesome, awesome stuff. And and he's just the best.

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Speaker 2: All Right, we've got a lot to get to on

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Speaker 2: Vic is what we have for you.

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Speaker 3: It is, but it's actually really good because Vic, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Vic takes you behind the curtain on the whole Hall

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Speaker 4: It is a bomb.

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Speaker 3: It's a love fest, but it is a bomb.

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Speaker 2: Vic just been around so long and has so many

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Speaker 4: Kelsey, is this her debut on CBD?

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 4: I think it's their Cleveland Brown's Daily debut.

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Speaker 3: It is. We're going to She did a radio network

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Speaker 4: And and so there you go.

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Speaker 2: So we'll we'll we'll put this thing into perspective, take

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Speaker 4: That's the you know, and I understand. The other thing

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Speaker 4: That happens tonight, Yeah, the first time.

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Speaker 3: There's actually some happening now, I believe.

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Speaker 2: writer here, first combine for you, right, very first combine.

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Speaker 8: Yes, it's been very fun and kind of cool to

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Speaker 2: it feels when you get to Indy because the whole

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Speaker 2: league is in what like a five two square mile

439
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 2: radius for a week it which is wild.

440
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Speaker 8: Yeah, and you just run into people as you're walking

441
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,520
Speaker 8: through the convention center, you're going to dinner or just

442
00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 8: at your hotel, and everybody is here. And I think

443
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 8: that's a really cool aspect of it. Though it does

444
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,959
Speaker 8: feel smaller and feels more like you get to know

445
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,679
Speaker 8: people from around the league and make connections and everything,

446
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,359
Speaker 8: and it's so that's the really cool opportunity about it

447
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,880
Speaker 8: for us, is like also getting to see the prospects,

448
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,639
Speaker 8: but being able to do the network and be a

449
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:53,400
Speaker 8: part of it as well.

450
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Speaker 3: Hi, I guess I'm talking.

451
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Speaker 2: You just well, you had a headset on so I

452
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:01,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm watching here, you're there.

453
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Speaker 4: It looks like you were eager. I can do all

454
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Speaker 4: we can just conversation, did you.

455
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 2: I was letting you go, so did you have have

456
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 2: you did you get to see Gibby and his action?

457
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Speaker 4: Have you seen his lurking how he lurks on guests?

458
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,159
Speaker 3: You know, I haven't. I haven't had to lurk a

459
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:20,119
Speaker 3: lot this week. I know.

460
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Speaker 4: I was disappointed.

461
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Speaker 2: You were well, you had only had Zigura for a day,

462
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 2: so you like you had to really get a lot

463
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Speaker 2: of it done at one time, Like, did you have

464
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Speaker 2: to lurk Chris Sims at all?

465
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Speaker 3: No. I reached out to Chris in advance. He saw

466
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Speaker 3: me coming from a mile away on Tuesday. He was like,

467
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Speaker 3: I know, Gibbs, I know, just come get me. I'm like, okay,

468
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Speaker 3: what about this time? He goes, do we have to

469
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 3: do it today? I go, yeah, gir is only here today.

470
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Speaker 3: It has to be because he's got obligations.

471
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Speaker 2: And yeah, he's living, he's on assignment. He's on it's

472
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 2: a good assignment, to be fair, it's a very very

473
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Speaker 2: good assignment.

474
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Speaker 3: Was hoping for rain all week. But I don't think

475
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Speaker 3: I want to do that people he's playing with.

476
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Speaker 4: No, I don't think you should wish for that at all.

477
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Speaker 4: What did you make of what?

478
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Speaker 3: What?

479
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Speaker 2: Let's go back to AB's availability First we'll get to

480
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Speaker 2: Kevin's what did you make of of ab and some

481
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,679
Speaker 2: of the choices. Obviously, the headlines were back to the Greenbrier,

482
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 2: the dual practices, with the with the vikings. What are

483
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Speaker 2: some of the things that stood out and were noteworthy

484
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Speaker 2: to you?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean obviously those two things, you know, starting

486
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Speaker 8: off with the joint practices, because it's the fourth consecutive

487
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Speaker 8: year that they've done them, so I think it's a

488
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 8: really it was a big deal for them to talk

489
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Speaker 8: about it here and say that they're they're wanting to

490
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Speaker 8: host them so they'll be in Maria and kind of

491
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Speaker 8: what that means.

492
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Speaker 7: So it's sort of in a.

493
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Speaker 8: Sense running it back to how camp was last year

494
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Speaker 8: in preseason, so it's just kind of an interesting element.

495
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Speaker 8: And then to the Green Brier as well, And I

496
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:46,880
Speaker 8: think that made a whole lot of sense because guys

497
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Speaker 8: talked about that, literally, they bring it up so organically

498
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Speaker 8: throughout the season about just what the Greenbrier meant to them,

499
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Speaker 8: and I think they saw how good it was for

500
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Speaker 8: team chemistry and bonding and just the time they got

501
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Speaker 8: to spend together. So I think everybody thought they were

502
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 8: probably going back, but having it be official that that's

503
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Speaker 8: what is happening in this during training camp, was was noteworthy.

504
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,679
Speaker 8: I think the other thing that Ab talked about was

505
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Speaker 8: that Deshaun's gonna start throwing again in March, which I

506
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 8: think is a big deal for fans, and just kind

507
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,959
Speaker 8: of knowing his progress with his shoulder injury. And then

508
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,160
Speaker 8: the fact that Kevin and Ken Dorsey are going out

509
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Speaker 8: to la to visit him next week, I think is

510
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Speaker 8: an important step in the off season, and you know,

511
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Speaker 8: Ken getting to know Deshaun and them spending time together

512
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Speaker 8: see where he is, and just kind of helping move

513
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Speaker 8: this off season along. So but I thought that from

514
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Speaker 8: Aby was was pretty noteworthy to hear in front of

515
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Speaker 8: the podium.

516
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Speaker 7: So this kind of stood out to me.

517
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Speaker 3: Bo Kelsey has not gone and had the Greenbrier experience.

518
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Speaker 3: She had not started.

519
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 7: She started in season Wednesday before the first game.

520
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Speaker 4: You and me both well, I'll give you.

521
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Speaker 2: I mean, I've been to the Greenbrier before with my family,

522
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 2: not with the team last year. It's a spectacular property.

523
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 2: I will say that it is pretty wildly colored in

524
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 2: terms of the sides of the walls and the flooring,

525
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 2: and the decor is quite aggressive. So it's a little

526
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 2: you've seen the movie Anchorman, Yes, okay, it's a little

527
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 2: bit like when Fantana brings out the cologne and he

528
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 2: goes it's quite repugnant. Like sometimes it starts out like

529
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 2: you think, well, maybe I could handle this, but by

530
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 2: like day four, you're like, my god, I feel like

531
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Speaker 2: I'm in the cat in the hat or something.

532
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:35,400
Speaker 9: Man.

533
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Speaker 4: It's crazy the way that it all goes out there.

534
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Speaker 3: So no, but you get it, and you're right.

535
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Speaker 2: I mentioned that to Kevin yesterday when we had him

536
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Speaker 2: on the show, like, and every time organically the guys

537
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:47,439
Speaker 2: would talk, they do that on their own, they just

538
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 2: bring it up. You'd be like, how'd you get through

539
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Speaker 2: all this? It was like there was something that was

540
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 2: forged down there, that traveled and it allowed for the

541
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Speaker 2: success amidst incredible, incredible obstacles. You know, all season long

542
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Speaker 2: you mentioned the Deshaun part of it, and I knew

543
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Speaker 2: that we tried, but I knew Kevin and Ab neither

544
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 2: one was gonna be We're not gonna pin him down

545
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 2: to like where's the at in all of this? But

546
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 2: that's that's really the off season question. The rest of

547
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 2: it is going to sort itself out, like they're going

548
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 2: to be aggressive and free agency. We know that they're

549
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 2: going to be fine in the salary cap. We know

550
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Speaker 2: that they always are. They We talked to Ab on

551
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Speaker 2: Tuesday and he told Sagur and I look like you know,

552
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 2: I'm three years ahead is where he is on the cap.

553
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Speaker 2: So they know what they're doing on all that. The

554
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Speaker 2: one thing they can't control is the health and the

555
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Speaker 2: ability to get back to what he was of number four.

556
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Speaker 2: And that's again in a way, Kelsey's kind and I

557
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Speaker 2: know you weren't with us last year, but it very

558
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Speaker 2: much kind of feels like last season all over again.

559
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Speaker 7: Mm hmm, yeah, one hundred percent.

560
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Speaker 8: And it just raises a lot of questions of like sure,

561
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Speaker 8: and like you said, you can't control health, and you know,

562
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Speaker 8: they continually say that he's progressing and doing all the steps,

563
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Speaker 8: and we've seen that, and I think that is what

564
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Speaker 8: you have to rely on in this situation of just

565
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 8: help hoping that he continues to progress the way that

566
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Speaker 8: he needs to, and that when he's healthy and can

567
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 8: come back and comes back, that he's able to produce

568
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 8: the way that he needs to that they saw and

569
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 8: you know in Texas and why they traded for him

570
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 8: in Houston and what they're hoping for when they when

571
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 8: they got him here. You know, obviously, like last season

572
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 8: was obviously up and down, you know, with like dealing

573
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 8: with the injury, but we saw moments where he was

574
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 8: he looked like who he was in Houston, and I

575
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 8: think that's the hope that you get back to that point.

576
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 8: But I think their dedication to the way that they're

577
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 8: you know, going down to visit him and his dedication

578
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 8: to his rehab process is important and is it's good

579
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Speaker 8: to know these things at this point in the off

580
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 8: season so early, because we have six months before trading camp,

581
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Speaker 8: we have six months more before preseason.

582
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Speaker 7: It is going to be here very fast.

583
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 8: But like all of that time is really good for

584
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 8: him to just continually to take steps. And so I

585
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 8: think that's the hope is that he'll be there obviously

586
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Speaker 8: by the time we.

587
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 7: Get back for camp.

588
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 3: I think the other big thing that needs to happen

589
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 3: with this staff, in addition to Ken Dorsey and coach

590
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 3: going out to meet with QB one, is Kevin Stevansi's

591
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 3: got a brand new offensive staff.

592
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 4: Sure it does.

593
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 3: I mean outside of Shadowshay. I mean, he's got a

594
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 3: lot of new bodies and all of those bodies need

595
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 3: to gel here over the next couple months.

596
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Speaker 8: And I think it was cool that he meant. Kevin

597
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 8: mentioned yesterday that you know, the.

598
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 7: Staff's out here.

599
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 8: Obviously, they're here at the cupbine, they're helping scout and everything,

600
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 8: but they're also in meetings together, and I think that's

601
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 8: really cool. If they're spending this time, you know, they're

602
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 8: really diligently working to rebuild and again to sense the offense,

603
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 8: you know, from the run game, to the pass game,

604
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 8: to all of the elements that are a part of this.

605
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 8: And when you have some many different perspectives coming in

606
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 8: with new coaches, you have to have that time together

607
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 8: to really just to gel and to get on the

608
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 8: same page and figure out a way to build an

609
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 8: offense that makes sense with your talent that you have.

610
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 8: And I think it was cool that they're all here

611
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 8: not only scouting, but they're also working on what they

612
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 8: want the offense to look like.

613
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 7: And they're starting now and they have been doing so.

614
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 7: And you know back in.

615
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 2: Borea, well, and you got when I had Kevin on yesterday,

616
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 2: we were talking about that, and I asked, Look, he

617
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 2: loves It's not like he had an issue with the

618
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 2: guys who were here.

619
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 4: He likes a lot of those guys and still remains close.

620
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 4: And it wasn't that at all.

621
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 2: But you could also see that there was some juice

622
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 2: for him because he is a he's an information guy,

623
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 2: he's a learning guy. He doesn't always it never's going

624
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 2: to sit on his laurels. And so when when I

625
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 2: asked him the question about all these new faces and

626
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 2: what can you learn from them, he kind of lit up.

627
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: And you understand, because you want to be inspired again.

628
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 2: You want to hear new.

629
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 4: Messages, new thoughts, new all of those things.

630
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: And so I do think that you know, he's two

631
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: time NFL Coach of the Year, like he knows what

632
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 2: he's doing. But at the same time, like even somebody

633
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 2: like that, you get some juice to hear some new ideas.

634
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,239
Speaker 8: Yeah, one hundred percent, I think it just yeah, it's

635
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 8: a it's a perspective, and you know it's maybe he

636
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 8: has an idea, but then you know, can or deuce

637
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 8: or somebody brings just like an they add a tidbit

638
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 8: and then you find kind of a different angle a

639
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 8: different wrinkle to your offense, and there's just a way

640
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 8: to you can tweak it that maybe you didn't think

641
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 8: about because you didn't have that perspective. So I think

642
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 8: it's all it's all good things. It's a really exciting

643
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 8: time for them, I think. And yeah, like you said,

644
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 8: like they had, they loved the staff that was here.

645
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 8: Guys got opportunities other places, which is great. That's what

646
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 8: you want to see. Guys get their opportunity to coach

647
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 8: and move up. And so you know, now you build

648
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 8: a staff and you build an offense that can take

649
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 8: you where you want to go next year. And I

650
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 8: think they have the pieces to do that, which is

651
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 8: really cool.

652
00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 2: Don't sleep on Tommy Reese either. Just talking to people

653
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 2: in the college game, Like No, a couple of guys

654
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 2: who when he was on the Notre Dame staff, and

655
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 2: that dude has a smart mind.

656
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 3: Man, it's he was.

657
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Speaker 4: He was really good at Notre Dame. He was really

658
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Speaker 4: good last year at Alabama.

659
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Speaker 2: Like Jalen Milroe was a guy who was benched earlier

660
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Speaker 2: in this season, and once they recommitted to him, he

661
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 2: played himself into almost being a Heisman fan finalist type

662
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Speaker 2: guy and they ended up playing for a national or

663
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Speaker 2: losing to Michigan in the National semifinal, but that so

664
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Speaker 2: much of that was what he did offensively and.

665
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Speaker 4: How he moved on the fly.

666
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Speaker 2: And everybody I've talked to is really really high on

667
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Speaker 2: Tommy ree So I think that's a very good one

668
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 2: as well. Anything else from from coach that jumped out

669
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Speaker 2: to you over the last couple of days since yesterday, I'm.

670
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Speaker 8: Trying to the conversation we had actually about just tweaking

671
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Speaker 8: offenses and just kind of and and the offensive game

672
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Speaker 8: in general moving forward, I thought really stood out to me.

673
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Speaker 8: And just it was funny because like somebody asked him about, like, oh, well,

674
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Speaker 8: how do you want to see the offense like in

675
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 8: the in the league change He was like, well, I'm

676
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 8: not gonna tell you because then that would you know,

677
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 8: give away what we're doing. But it just was cool

678
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Speaker 8: to see the way that you know, they are progressed obviously,

679
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Speaker 8: like always looking forward to the future and how they

680
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Speaker 8: can be better, And I think it's really cool that

681
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Speaker 8: they're that's where they're focusing at is how you can

682
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 8: tweak the offense, make changes like with personnel, find different

683
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Speaker 8: avenues and he said too that he you know, talks

684
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Speaker 8: to Jim Schwartz a lot, which makes sense of you

685
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Speaker 8: pick Jim's brain to see what defenses are doing against

686
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Speaker 8: offenses to make your offense better.

687
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Speaker 7: And I thought that was.

688
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Speaker 8: Really interesting, especially to see how we saw last year,

689
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Speaker 8: how and in his whole career, but how good our

690
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 8: defense was and how good Jim is in those moments,

691
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 8: and so being able to pick his brain to then

692
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 8: make your offense better is just gonna make it that

693
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Speaker 8: much stronger.

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Speaker 7: So that really stood out to me.

695
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Speaker 8: And I also like to you know, I got a

696
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Speaker 8: chance to ask him just about developing draft picks, and

697
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 8: you know, looking because of our situation, you know, their

698
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 8: situation where we have they have a second, third, two fifth,

699
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Speaker 8: two sixth, and a seventh. So these later draft picks,

700
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Speaker 8: like obviously there's so the names here. People are focusing

701
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 8: in the first round the quarterbacks, those top guys, but

702
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 8: for the Browns, like, that's not where they're at. And

703
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 8: so this is a really good opportunity for them to

704
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 8: get FaceTime with these guys that are later in later rounds,

705
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Speaker 8: you know, maybe and get to know them more personally.

706
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 8: And yes, it's a short window of time in these

707
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 8: interviews and meetings. But it's that FaceTime that I think

708
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 8: is super valuable that kind of starts that trend. Is

709
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 8: like you know, they're here, and then they can bring

710
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 8: guys in for those thirty visits or they do zoom calls,

711
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 8: and and then you get to pro days, and then

712
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 8: you get to the draft, and I think all of

713
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Speaker 8: those opportunities really lend itself to then win ab and

714
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Speaker 8: then make their picks.

715
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Speaker 7: They have a good.

716
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Speaker 8: Idea, and so it just was like really interesting talk

717
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 8: about how the development of later draft picks. How you know, yes,

718
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 8: there are second, third, fifth round guy, but they can

719
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Speaker 8: get production out of them and they can be contributors

720
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Speaker 8: on the field, you know, in a in a rookie

721
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Speaker 8: season and a couple of seasons, et cetera, like we've

722
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Speaker 8: seen you know, last year and everything. And so hearing

723
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Speaker 8: that perspective I think was really interesting, especially just considering

724
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Speaker 8: their situation and where they are in the draft this year.

725
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Speaker 2: To your point, they have to they have to hit

726
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 2: on those guys. They have to hit on some of

727
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 2: those guys because we can't pay everybody, you know, We're

728
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 2: having to pay a lot of people, and that's what

729
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 2: happens when you draft good players and they develop into

730
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 2: great players and Pro bowlers and all of that stuff.

731
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Speaker 4: Like everybody has.

732
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 2: To get paid and you can't keep everybody, and so

733
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 2: you need to find Adwan Jones. You need to find

734
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 2: those type of players who can become Donovan Peoples. Jones

735
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 2: is a great example of it. It was a guy

736
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 2: who was a real contributor in his time here. It's

737
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Speaker 2: a sixth round pick, so that's you're not everyone's going

738
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Speaker 2: to be that. Not every sixth round pick's gonna be

739
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 2: that good, but some of them need to be because

740
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 2: otherwise you can't build a roster in this league the

741
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 2: way that the salary cap is built.

742
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Speaker 4: Great stuff. Kel's good talking to you, appreciate it good.

743
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 2: And you'll have the interview with Jordan Reed coming up

744
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 2: in the second hour of the program. Don't miss Billy,

745
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: Joel and Rod Stewart. They're together for the first time.

746
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Speaker 2: It's Friday, September thirteenth. Gibby, I'm not sure if you're

747
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Speaker 2: aware of this. It's a Cleveland brown Stadium.

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Speaker 3: I was not.

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Speaker 2: The tickets are on sale right roams. You can get

750
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Speaker 2: them right now. You visit Cleveland Brownstadium dot Com and

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Speaker 2: then it's you have to put in slash Billy and

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Speaker 2: Rod twenty twenty four for more information. If you do that,

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Speaker 2: you then can buy tickets for Billy Joel and Rod Stuart.

754
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Speaker 2: They're together for the first time ever Friday, September Thirteenth's

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Speaker 2: Billy Joel.

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Speaker 4: He didn't know, No, he didn't know, he knows no idea.

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Speaker 4: Well now he does.

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00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 2: We also now hopefully he knows after right after birding

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00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 2: with me on Tuesday night, he now understands the importance

760
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Speaker 2: of getting off of a bad bird and upgrading your bird.

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Speaker 3: He is aware. He has talked about this NonStop. It

762
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 3: might have been the highlight of his combine.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what has been big on social for us,

764
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 2: but I'm telling you, if you had video on that

765
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 2: that wins, that wins. You want a viral moment, you

766
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 2: want your clicks. Well, I won't be there, but Griff can,

767
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 2: and I'll be there in spirit like you could. You

768
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Speaker 2: could FaceTime me as he's right as he's going.

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Speaker 3: Hope you FaceTime me. Sure we'll see you here next year.

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Speaker 3: You will not.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Cal's good stuff.

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Speaker 3: Great.

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Speaker 4: We got ten takeaways.

774
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Speaker 2: Some of the highlights from the Again, it's been quiet week,

775
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Speaker 2: but we'll get into some of the news that was

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Speaker 2: made this week. Coming up next you listen to Cleveland

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Speaker 2: Some news from the as we mentioned it, it's they're

786
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 2: not a ton in fact, the ten takeaways from NFL

787
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Speaker 2: dot Com from the combine and some of the availabilities.

788
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Speaker 4: Where where do you stand with some of this stuff?

789
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Speaker 3: Give me what? What? What seemed?

790
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Speaker 4: What caused to me?

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Speaker 2: Again, it's I hate to be repetitive, but it really

792
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Speaker 2: bears bears bears, and then I would say it's next

793
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Speaker 2: it's Broncos So.

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Speaker 3: You know what, Yeah, I mean that's I think what's

795
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 3: flying under the radar? And this was on NFL dot

796
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Speaker 3: Com and I tend to agree with it that it

797
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 3: looks like Chris Jones is finished in Kansas City. You

798
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Speaker 3: know they want to keep him, but now they're gonna

799
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Speaker 3: It's reported the Chiefs granted come Corner Lagarious Snead permission

800
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Speaker 3: to seek a trade, with the idea that they would

801
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 3: use the non exclusive franchise tag to like work out

802
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 3: a deal which would make Jones a free agent.

803
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it was interesting like they had that,

804
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 2: you know, at the parade, He's like, I'm gonna be

805
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 2: a Chief forever or whatever, like there's enough money if.

806
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 4: You're them, like you have to keep him. He's dominant,

807
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Speaker 4: like you have to.

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Speaker 3: You won because of your defense, and yeah, Patrick Mahomes obviously. Yeah,

809
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Speaker 3: but that defense was the best that it had ever

810
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Speaker 3: been under Mahomes and Andy Reid, so no doubt is awesome. Yeah,

811
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Speaker 3: and you're gonna get rid of the Jerious Snead, which

812
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Speaker 3: I was like, wow, that's two big corner pieces. You

813
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 3: can't afford to pay anybody, because remember when Mahomes signed

814
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 3: that deal, it was very cap friendly.

815
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Speaker 4: Oh my god, now it looks incredibly kept. It's forty

816
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Speaker 4: million a year.

817
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was ten years, four hundred So it's forty

818
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 2: million a year right now, that's nothing Baker's gonna get.

819
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's nothing.

820
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Speaker 3: So unless they're trying to work out a red a

821
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Speaker 3: new deal. But I mean number number two, the Ryan

822
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Speaker 3: Poles should trade justin Fields.

823
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, and he's gonna he will.

824
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Speaker 3: What are you going to get for him?

825
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 6: Though?

826
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Speaker 4: So you know, in the conversation I had.

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Speaker 2: With Chris Rose yesterday, and he knows the Rams really well,

828
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Speaker 2: and he talked about how like does that fit? What

829
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Speaker 2: does Fields fit what they want? Because they're going to

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Speaker 2: run the McVeigh offense, So does can Fields do that?

831
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Speaker 2: Because it's really not what he is what he's a

832
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Speaker 2: runner and a deep thrower, So like, correct, what does

833
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Speaker 2: does that work with what they're.

834
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Speaker 3: Going to do?

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Speaker 2: And if Atlanta it seemed to me like Atlanta the

836
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Speaker 2: and we said this even before, always hoping that Fields

837
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Speaker 2: would end up there. It always seemed to me like

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Speaker 2: Cousins is the perfect one for Atlanta, Like he's the

839
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 2: perfect table setter and place setter for them for whatever

840
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Speaker 2: they're going to do going forward, Like they could win

841
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 2: the South right away with Cousins play. The question is

842
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Speaker 2: do the Vikings acquiesce to that. The one thing that

843
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 2: is interesting on the Bears, and I've heard I have

844
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 2: several people over there talk about this yesterday about like

845
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams dad's a problem. Albert Breer mentioned it on

846
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Speaker 2: a podcast I was listening to on the way home yesterday,

847
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Speaker 2: Like the dad is the guy who's like I want

848
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Speaker 2: a percentage of ownership, like all of this nonsense, Like

849
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,439
Speaker 2: that's just got to get squashed right away.

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Speaker 4: Like, I don't know how emphatically you can say this.

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Speaker 4: The NFL does not lead need Caleb Williams at all.

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Speaker 9: Correct.

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Speaker 2: He could play another year at USC, go play in

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Speaker 2: the whatever. The XFL UFL thing is. Good luck they don't.

855
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Speaker 2: It's fine, the league is fine.

856
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Speaker 3: They don't.

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Speaker 4: They're not worried about it.

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Speaker 2: So that dude just kind of got to lock it

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Speaker 2: up a little bit if you're to believe everything that's

860
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Speaker 2: kind of out there on him.

861
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Speaker 4: But to me, like you're.

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Speaker 2: Going to trade fields if it's a two two, Breer said,

863
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Speaker 2: a second day and a third day. So is that

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Speaker 2: a two and a four is at a three and

865
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Speaker 2: a six? You know, how does that deal get done?

866
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Speaker 4: How quickly? Watch out maybe for new England on that.

867
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Speaker 3: Sure, maybe that's absolutely just a couple real quick ones.

868
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Speaker 3: It feels like Sehn Payton can't wait to see Russell

869
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Speaker 3: Wilson leave Denver. Kirk Cousins still makes the most sense

870
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Speaker 3: in Minnesota at the right price, Mike Evans is going

871
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Speaker 3: to want a lot of money. JJ McCarthy is showing

872
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 3: up as maybe the most intriguing quarterback prospect in this draft.

873
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Speaker 4: Because he's throwing.

874
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Orlomski did that this morning, like he's egged. He was like,

876
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 4: I'll take Jade and Daniels over Caleb Williams. Okay, I

877
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:05,439
Speaker 4: mean this happens every year.

878
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 2: I mean remember we were there a couple years, like

879
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 2: with the Trevor Lawrence and it was like, oh, Zach

880
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 2: Wilson's better than Trevor Lawrence. Some teams having great a

881
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 2: higher Okay stop.

882
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 3: I could stop, yep, exactly. So, I mean there were

883
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 3: a couple other ones, but nothing crazy. I mean Philadelphia

884
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 3: needed to fix their culture, duh. Yeah, yeah, they got

885
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:24,919
Speaker 3: a problem there.

886
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it certainly seems like it. I miss this.

887
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 2: Tom Brady ran a better forty time at forty six,

888
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:30,439
Speaker 2: and he did it twenty two.

889
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 3: He posted it this morning. I believe on social and

890
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 3: they and they had him at like you know how

891
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 3: they have him paired next to each other. Right, Oh yeah,

892
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,720
Speaker 3: he smoked his twenty two year old self.

893
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 4: Well, all the lectins. He's not eating lectins anymore. Back

894
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 4: in those days, he was crushing a lot of electins.

895
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 4: That's what happens.

896
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Speaker 3: That's how all of that goes exactly. That's very good.

897
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Speaker 4: We were lamenting kind of the lack of news the

917
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 4: last couple of days.

918
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 2: You had the big pressers on Chicago, but they were

919
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 2: I mean, we all know they're trading in, but like

920
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 2: they were kind of not much to that.

921
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 4: The Sean Payton stuff was pretty interesting. Kind of a

922
00:42:58,600 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 4: quiet week so far.

923
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, it felt like we went through a number

924
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 5: of different pressers and it was just like, all right,

925
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 5: we can pull that small bit out and do something

926
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 5: off of that. Pull a small bit from here. I

927
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 5: can turn this into something that's palatable. But it's nothing

928
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 5: that's popping. There's nothing that's making a ton of headlines.

929
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 5: You're not seeing the the ESPN tick or whatever with

930
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 5: a ton of headlines from here. So you're hoping that

931
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 5: the player workouts dominate. But even a lot of the

932
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 5: players haven't said anything super noteworthy, and you know what,

933
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 5: maybe that's just a product of some things are inevitable.

934
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 5: And we also don't have as many dominant storylines right now,

935
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 5: and that will transform over time because you know, what

936
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 5: happens night is always darkest, just before the dawn. It's quiet,

937
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 5: just before the storm. Some massive trade's gonna happen that

938
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 5: we didn't see coming, and great, we'll all have to

939
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 5: deal with that. I don't know what it is, and

940
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 5: I have no insight on that, but I'm telling you

941
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 5: I've done this long enough. Just when you're getting comfortable

942
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 5: with the silence, it all blows up.

943
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 3: Can we make sure that it happens, like, not on

944
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 3: a Saturday or Sunday.

945
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 4: Maybe on a month, like a nice because don't forget.

946
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 3: Don't forget, like right before free agency a couple of

947
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 3: years ago. Yeah, our GM goes out and gets Amari Cooper.

948
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:01,959
Speaker 3: It was on a Saturday afternoon.

949
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 5: Ye, Or I mean this year in the last six months,

950
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 5: we had a coach fired at one am Eastern, right

951
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 5: in the middle of the week.

952
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 3: Remember that. Yeah, yeah, try to block that out.

953
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, there was. Yeah, You're right, there will be

954
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,479
Speaker 2: some stuff. It does feel like that. Do you think

955
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 2: the conventional wisdom over there was the Bears have to

956
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 2: do it first. Do you still kind of feel that way,

957
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 2: having been in Indie all week, that they've got to

958
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 2: do the fields move before everything else kind of reacts

959
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 2: to that.

960
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 5: Well, it's either that or they lose all leverage. I mean,

961
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 5: you can't draft Caleb and have justin Fields in your roster.

962
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 5: What you get is a Baker Mayfield leaving Cleveland situation

963
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 5: where you're just trying to get anything for him, and

964
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 5: you trade him well after the draft for a fifth

965
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 5: round pick, and you hope that you get more out

966
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 5: of Fields if you're going to move him, which everybody

967
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 5: at this point expects him to. You cannot willingly go

968
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 5: in there and think that you're gonna get anything for him.

969
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 5: If you have Caleb Ardy on your roster, you've lost

970
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 5: all leverage. And I think what you should do, and

971
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 5: what would be important helpful to them, is to create

972
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 5: a little bit of a bidding more, create a little

973
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 5: bit of a race. Make the teams that are interested

974
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 5: actually come to the table, because right now they could

975
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 5: just wait them out. Ideally, if they think that nobody

976
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 5: else is getting in line and is competing for him

977
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 5: and the opportunity and they have to outbid somebody, then

978
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 5: they could just wait him out and then suddenly you

979
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:07,720
Speaker 5: get him for pennies on the dollar.

980
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 3: So bidding the bear.

981
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 2: Who is the bidding war then conventional Wisom's Atlanta. Yeah,

982
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 2: you hear Pittsburgh, you hear Vegas.

983
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:16,919
Speaker 3: Yeah.

984
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 2: I always say keep an eye out for New England

985
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 2: because they can Yeah, me too, Yeah, you know what

986
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 2: I mean, Like I could see them doing it if

987
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 2: they gave up a two, you know, a two or

988
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 2: a three. It seems like a second and a third

989
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 2: day pick is kind of what the standard seems to

990
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: be for him.

991
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 4: If that's what it is.

992
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 2: Now, all of a sudden, they could take Marvin at

993
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 2: three and now they transform in a month, you know,

994
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,919
Speaker 2: you go from not having weapons to having a former

995
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 2: first round pick at quarterback who's got some legs that

996
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 2: can make you scared, and a generational potentially receiver, all

997
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 2: in the matter of a couple of months.

998
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 4: So I just watch out for them a little bit.

999
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:49,439
Speaker 3: I think.

1000
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm of the belief that he can be reclaimed.

1001
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 5: I don't think he's that far off. I think it's

1002
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 5: very much dependent on situation, and the Bears have, you know, unfortunately,

1003
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 5: not put him in a great situation throughout the course

1004
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 5: of his career. They've asked him to do too much.

1005
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 5: They haven't surrounded him with proper talent and blocking that

1006
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 5: he needs. Guys aren't getting open most of the year.

1007
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 5: They got DJ Moore and it was a godsend, and

1008
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 5: they still had nobody else other than Cole Comet that

1009
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 5: could consistently get open and catch passes. And for a

1010
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 5: brief period there, it felt like they were turning the

1011
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 5: corner before he suffered that injury. By the time he

1012
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 5: came back from there, it felt like they'd taken three

1013
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 5: steps back. He could never get back on track. It's

1014
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 5: the same thing about c J.

1015
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 3: Stroud.

1016
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 5: They're different players with different strengths and weaknesses, right, But

1017
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 5: c J. Stroud went to Houston in a situation where

1018
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 5: he had a franchise left tackle, he had talent at receivers,

1019
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 5: he had a new coach and an offensive coordinator that

1020
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 5: were willing to scheme to his strengths.

1021
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 10: And what did we see as a rookie. He was fantastic.

1022
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 5: And I think that there is potential for fields to

1023
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 5: do that again. But the situation's got to be right.

1024
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 5: And that's why I fear that he ends up in

1025
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 5: the wrong situation at the end of all of this,

1026
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 5: and then everyone who thinks that he should be out

1027
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 5: of Chicago has then confirmed.

1028
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 11: In their belief.

1029
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 4: I agree.

1030
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 3: I mean, you know he's talented. You saw him in Columbus.

1031
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 4: I know, dude, I mean AVPs in New England. I

1032
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 4: would I think that would be a fun. Yeah, I'd

1033
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 4: beg fun. And I think AVP ad do right by him.

1034
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 3: I do.

1035
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 2: But but we'll see I the So, then the next

1036
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 2: thing is going to be Russ and Sean Payton. You

1037
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 2: can you can only say it so much without saying it,

1038
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 2: but he pretty much did. Like, so the question is

1039
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 2: how quick? Where are they the JJ McCarthy landing spot?

1040
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 2: And then obviously they're gonna be done with with Russ.

1041
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 2: Where does he go? Is that at Pittsburgh? Is that

1042
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 2: a what's that look like?

1043
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 3: The best part of this, though, is the fact that

1044
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 3: coach has done with him. But then the GM comes out.

1045
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 3: It's like, we haven't gotten any phone calls.

1046
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 4: They're not going to well he went first, George went first.

1047
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 2: It was like trying to make it act like people

1048
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 2: were calling. And then Sean came second. It was like,

1049
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 2: it really doesn't matter, We're gonna do something next week.

1050
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, because they can't continue at this rate, like and

1051
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 5: obviously there's no concessions been on the financial side, which understandable.

1052
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 5: You sign that contract if you're Russ, you keep your

1053
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 5: leverage there. But it's an almost untradable contract, so somebody's

1054
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 5: gonna force somebody's hand, but they're not going.

1055
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 10: To proceed forward.

1056
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 5: He got benched because of money last year. They can

1057
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 5: say it it was football reasons, but there was a

1058
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 5: period there where they had reclaimed their season, they'd run

1059
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 5: off a bunch of wins. Russ was good enough in

1060
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 5: some of those games. He wasn't good enough in the

1061
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 5: first half of some of the games that followed. They

1062
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 5: lost a lot of those games, and then suddenly he

1063
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 5: was benched when they still had an outside shot. That

1064
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 5: told me it was not as much about football, but

1065
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 5: about the fact that they knew he wasn't going to

1066
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 5: be part of their future and he doesn't command that

1067
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 5: money anymore. But you're gonna have to bite that bullet

1068
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 5: if you're the broncos of the contract that you signed

1069
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,240
Speaker 5: him to. And then at this point he can go anywhere.

1070
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 5: I mean, anybody that needs a veteran quarterback that's in need,

1071
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,240
Speaker 5: because Denver is one of those places and they're already

1072
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 5: moving on Washington.

1073
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 11: Could they be a.

1074
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 10: Place they never heard it back again? There was a

1075
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 10: handful of those teams every.

1076
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 2: Year, because he wasn't bad this year, and he was

1077
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 2: like twenty six touchdowns, seven or eight picks, sixty seven completions,

1078
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 2: not a lot of nickel dime.

1079
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 4: Like he didn't hurt them, No, but.

1080
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 2: He didn't hurt them, so like in a situation like Pittsburgh,

1081
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 2: like I don't want him there, But like in Pittsburgh

1082
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 2: where their quarterbacks were hurting them, all of a sudden,

1083
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 2: they have a quarterback who didn't.

1084
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 4: You're onto something. So that's true.

1085
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 2: Now that's kind of the tricky spot. Let's do one

1086
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 2: more quarterback, and that's Cousins.

1087
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 3: Where where do you? What do you? What's? What does

1088
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 3: this look like?

1089
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 2: The Vikings seem like a team that's kind of in

1090
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 2: like the middle of all of it and then not

1091
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 2: really bad enough to go to the bottom and not

1092
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 2: good enough to go win it all.

1093
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 5: This is the one that I fear a franchise is

1094
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 5: going to make an overly ambitious decision that they're come

1095
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 5: to come to regret. And the worst part about it

1096
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 5: is that every reason as to why they should not

1097
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 5: make such a decision was just presented to them and

1098
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 5: they dealt with it for half of a season. Every

1099
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,439
Speaker 5: week it was, and especially down the back half. Once

1100
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 5: once the Josh Dobbs magic ran out, it was who

1101
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 5: are we going to see this week? Nick Mullins, We're

1102
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 5: gonna see Dobbs, We're gonna go to Jaren Hall, and

1103
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 5: none of them were good enough. They got a up

1104
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 5: close and personal look at what the future without Kirk

1105
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:50,879
Speaker 5: Cousins is if they don't have a solid answer there.

1106
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,439
Speaker 10: But they don't have a solid answer there now.

1107
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 5: Nothing I saw from any of those guys tells me

1108
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 5: that there's going to be an answer there, and so

1109
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 5: you have to run it back with the guy. Kirk

1110
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 5: Cousins finished in my top ten and QB indecks at

1111
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 5: the end of the year. He played half the year

1112
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 5: and he finished there because he was playing some of

1113
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 5: the best football of his career at the time before

1114
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,399
Speaker 5: he got hurt. He was the only good thing about

1115
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 5: the Minnesota Vikings for six weeks because they couldn't hang

1116
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 5: on to the football. He only had a few of

1117
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 5: those turnovers, they couldn't play defense well enough. He was

1118
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 5: the only positive silver lining from that team for the

1119
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 5: first six weeks of the season before they got back

1120
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 5: on track, and it was a bummer that he didn't

1121
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 5: finish the season. But you don't let that guy go

1122
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 5: sign him to do a one year deal, sign him

1123
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 5: to a two year deal, because you don't have the

1124
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 5: plan in place, and as we all know, if you

1125
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 5: don't got a plan, you don't got a shot.

1126
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 3: No.

1127
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 2: And as we were talking about Gibey yesterday, like with

1128
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 2: they also have the Justin Jefferson thing too, and Quasy

1129
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 2: was quick to say, like, look, he's a blue chip, Like,

1130
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 2: we can't lose blue chips otherwise what do you do.

1131
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 4: It's been a farm system from everybody else, right.

1132
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 3: But the pressure's on you may not have that choice

1133
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 3: if you can't continue to provide things and put things

1134
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 3: around Justin Jefferson.

1135
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, And the thing is is that they actually have

1136
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 5: a really intriguing corps. I was not a fan of

1137
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 5: the way the roster was set up last year. I

1138
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 5: thought they were going to take a step back. They

1139
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 5: kind of exceeded my expectations for a stretch before falling

1140
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 5: back to earth after they lost Kirk Cousins. But what

1141
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 5: I like about their roster there's a lot of young

1142
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 5: talent there. I think that they need to figure out

1143
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 5: running back, but they've got a couple of studs at receiver.

1144
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 5: The trade for Hockinson, you know, worked out pretty well

1145
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,240
Speaker 5: in their favor until he suffered a bit of an injury.

1146
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 5: Their offensive line's good enough's there's pieces there, But there's

1147
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 5: no reason to just move on from Kirk Cousins because

1148
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 5: he's in his mid thirties and he's gonna cost you

1149
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 5: some money. Like, you run it back until you can't anymore,

1150
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 5: until something comes along that gives you the opportunity to say,

1151
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 5: now is the time to transition to a new quarterback.

1152
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 11: You don't just force that.

1153
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 4: How much are they kicking themselves for not doing the

1154
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 4: Jefferson deal last year? Now you got an extra thirty

1155
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 4: million in cap space?

1156
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 3: Hmm.

1157
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 10: Now the contracts continue to rise contract way out.

1158
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 3: I mean the franchise tags one and change.

1159
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:54,919
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1160
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, so and they got that that boost in the

1161
00:51:59,040 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 5: salary cap total.

1162
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 10: So that's just going to inflate every contract too, That's.

1163
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 3: What I mean.

1164
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 2: Like, Yeah, they cost themselves a lot by not getting

1165
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 2: that deal done sooner. What do you make of let's

1166
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 2: bring it back to our team that we talked about

1167
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 2: on daily basis your Cleveland Browns that this was such

1168
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 2: a strange year and we talked to the guys about

1169
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 2: it kind of feels like three different seasons all in

1170
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 2: one this year for the Browns, But this offseason we

1171
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 2: just had Kelson and I just said, look like this

1172
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 2: might as well be last off season. Like, I know

1173
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 2: they're going to get the cap stuff sorts, it sorted out.

1174
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 2: I know that they're going to be aggressive in free

1175
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 2: agency and probably get most of the guys that they

1176
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,399
Speaker 2: want in free agency. That's just what Andrew Berry does.

1177
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 2: But it just comes back to four like can he

1178
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 2: get healthy and can he get back to what he was?

1179
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 2: And that's that's kind of what this whole offseason is

1180
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 2: going to be about.

1181
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 4: It almost feels like last year.

1182
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 10: Redo, Yeah, that's exactly what it feels like.

1183
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 5: It's it's funny because you went through so many hurdles

1184
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 5: and the ups and downs, the highs and lows of

1185
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 5: this season, the thrill of reaching the playoffs when everything

1186
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 5: said you shouldn't, and yet you come back to the

1187
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 5: same point because you only got a little bit of

1188
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 5: a clue on what you needed a big answer on

1189
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 5: last year. I mean, the last few games that Deshaun

1190
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 5: Watson played were some of his best football as a Brown.

1191
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,919
Speaker 5: His last game may have been his best game as

1192
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 5: a Brown. It seemed like he was just starting to

1193
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 5: turn the corner and settle in and everything was coming

1194
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 5: together and they'd gotten that big win over Baltimore on

1195
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 5: the road.

1196
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,280
Speaker 10: And then this season's over. So is it a fluke,

1197
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 10: is it a tease or is it a sign of

1198
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 10: things to come?

1199
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 5: And we are not gonna know how does he heal

1200
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 5: from having a fractured Glenoyd Like, that's not a very

1201
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 5: common injury on the throwing shoulder. These are all things

1202
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 5: that we still have to figure out and boxes that

1203
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 5: the Browns are going to have to check off along

1204
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 5: the way.

1205
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 10: And we really we will not know until week four.

1206
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,439
Speaker 5: Really, at that point you get a first indicator whether

1207
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 5: this is actually gonna work out or not, which is

1208
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 5: a bummer. But I thought it was funny, Abe said

1209
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 5: a couple days ago. You know, they have capped things

1210
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 5: that they still have to work through and everything else.

1211
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 5: But I can't keep money in my pocket. You know,

1212
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 5: he loves to make moves, right, No. I love that

1213
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 5: he's an aggresive upgrader of the ross, and they do

1214
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 5: have areas that they need to address, but I was

1215
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,879
Speaker 5: so impressed by what he did last year. It paid

1216
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,879
Speaker 5: dividends to the defensive line. I think we talked about

1217
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 5: it a lot back then, and I have full faith

1218
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 5: and confidence that he's going to nail it again and

1219
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 5: they'll be in a good position again. It all just

1220
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 5: comes back to your quarterback.

1221
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:14,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, it does, and that's the thing.

1222
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 2: When you're right, they do have and it'll be that

1223
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 2: defensive line. And when I was talking to both him

1224
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,760
Speaker 2: and Kevin this week, I think what last season proved

1225
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,760
Speaker 2: for them is when they were hired, it was about

1226
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:28,280
Speaker 2: building an organization top to bottom, and what they built

1227
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 2: was true organizational depth to be able to draft the

1228
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 2: way that they've drafted in certain positions. Certainly would want

1229
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,439
Speaker 2: maybe better drafting at receiver, better drafting in the middle

1230
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 2: of the defensive line, but in terms of the corners,

1231
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 2: the linebackers, the offensive line, I mean, they crushed all

1232
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 2: of that stuff to the point to where you're playing

1233
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 2: your fourth and fifth tackles at the end of the

1234
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 2: season and.

1235
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 4: They're holding up and they're holding up.

1236
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:53,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean that speaks to high level, deep

1237
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 5: end scouting. Like you said, organizational depth. But you know

1238
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 5: the beauty of it to me that I have come

1239
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 5: away with now not being there every day, but seeing

1240
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 5: it from afar and then seeing it up close. Here

1241
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 5: you talking about building an organization. It's visible in their

1242
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 5: personnel department. It's visible when Kevin Stefanski takes the podium

1243
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 5: and when Andrew Berry steps up there. There's a rapport

1244
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 5: and an understanding between media and executive that we have

1245
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:19,240
Speaker 5: not seen in this town in the last twenty five years,

1246
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 5: if we're being completely honest. Because those guys only got

1247
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 5: two to three years at a time before they were gone.

1248
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 5: The next group was in. They don't have to prove themselves.

1249
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 5: They just got to the playoff again. Yeah, they lost

1250
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 5: the playoff game, but they got to the playoffs when

1251
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 5: they shouldn't have been there, and they do nothing but

1252
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 5: continue to stay pretty competitive. Kevin Stefanski went from a

1253
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 5: guy that could have been on the hot seat this

1254
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 5: year to a guy who is firmly set in his

1255
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:40,760
Speaker 5: spot with another Coach of the Year award in his pocket.

1256
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 5: That is because your organization is strong from top to bottom,

1257
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 5: and so more than anything we could talk about roster

1258
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 5: and especially at this time of year, Browns fans get

1259
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 5: I know, they love to spend time going down to

1260
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 5: the nitty gritty and splitting hairs and really figuring out

1261
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 5: what's the scenario?

1262
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 10: What's this scenario?

1263
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 5: But you got to sleep a little bit easier at

1264
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 5: night knowing that the building is no longer burning down

1265
00:55:59,120 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 5: like it once did.

1266
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 4: No, no loos are in the long rearview. I'll get

1267
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 4: you out of here on this, my friend.

1268
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:06,919
Speaker 2: You you've been going to Indy for a long time,

1269
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 2: a lot of combine days spent. Give me a place

1270
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:13,240
Speaker 2: maybe to eat or have a cocktail that we don't

1271
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 2: talk about enough. What's what's some of your person? Is

1272
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 2: there a personal favorite of yours outside of.

1273
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 4: The ones that we talk about all the time. What

1274
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 4: jumps out.

1275
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 5: Well, because you always think about Elmo's Prime, not a

1276
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,839
Speaker 5: uh is it lock Miller's, which is like this hole

1277
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 5: in the wall kind of restaurant that's next to behind

1278
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 5: the West End Jake down an alley.

1279
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:36,720
Speaker 10: That place makes a really good rubin.

1280
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 3: Go there.

1281
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 5: There might be a kind of a funky smell in

1282
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 5: the air, and the clientele is a little varied, but

1283
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 5: go there.

1284
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:46,359
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they do what they're doing.

1285
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 4: Great talking to you, buddy.

1286
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 11: All right, thanks for having me.

1287
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 3: All right, that's the.

1288
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 2: Great Big shuk at the NFL Network at NFL dot com.

1289
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 7: Uh.

1290
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 2: Joining us from Indianapolis. Kel's gonna go one on one

1291
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Speaker 2: with Jordan Reid ESPN Draft analysts coming up next.

1292
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Speaker 8: Jordan kind of starting off big picture, what are your

1303
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 8: overall thoughts about this draft class going in and being

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00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 8: able to see them.

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Speaker 7: Here this week?

1306
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 9: Well, it is a offensive centric draft. You know, everybody's

1307
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 9: going to talk about the quarterbacks at the top of

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Speaker 9: the draft. The wide receiver class I think is very

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00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 9: very good. We could see as many as seven go

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Speaker 9: in the first round, which is an astronomically high number.

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Speaker 3: And then offensive tackle.

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Speaker 9: Everybody wants to talk about the offensive tackle class, and

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00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 9: rightfully so it's a really good class.

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Speaker 8: Speaking of quarterbacks, there's talk about, you know, being four

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Speaker 8: to five kind of in that range. Going, I guess,

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Speaker 8: what are your thoughts about this quarterback class specifically and

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00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 8: who stands out the most to you about how this

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Speaker 8: could end up in a couple of months.

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00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, there's gonna be three guys at the top

1320
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Speaker 9: of the draft. Drake May of North Carolina, Caleb Williams

1321
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 9: of course of USC and then Jay Daniels of LSU.

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00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 9: Those are your three guys that you're really gonna hear

1323
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 9: about at the top of the draft. But that fourth

1324
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 9: guy gets really really interesting, whether it's JJ McCarthy of Michigan,

1325
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 9: Bowt Nicks of Oregon, Michael Penix of Washington is another

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00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 9: name that a lot of scouts like quite a bit.

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00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 9: So this quarterback class is really interesting. It just depends

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00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 9: on which traits that you like the most.

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00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 3: With all those guys.

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Speaker 8: Kind of going back to looking at positions of strength

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00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 8: and positions of weaknesses.

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Speaker 7: What stands out about this draft class?

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00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, once again, the quarterbacks, receivers, and offensive tackles.

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00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 9: It's not a great defensive class. I don't think we're

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00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 9: going to get a defensive player inside of the top ten,

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00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 9: which is something that hasn't happened in a very, very

1337
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 9: long time. But I like the depth of this cornerback class.

1338
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 9: And there isn't that Devin Weatherspoon or Derek Stanglier Sauce Gardner.

1339
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 4: We don't have that type of guy in.

1340
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 3: The top ten.

1341
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 9: But you know, mid top fifteen, twenty, late twenties, I

1342
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 9: think we're gonna see a lot of guys fly off

1343
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 9: for the board.

1344
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 7: What stands out about the cornerbacks, Well.

1345
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 3: We got some athletic guys.

1346
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 9: If you like watching the forty, you better have your

1347
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 9: stop watch ready just because these guys are gonna fly.

1348
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 9: Koul A McKinstry is one that I like in the

1349
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 9: back end of the first round. But there's gonna be

1350
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 9: some other guys that really fly, whether there's Nate Wiggins

1351
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 9: of Clemson, Tyrian Arnold of Alabama is gonna be a

1352
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 9: really good player, and then Quinya Mitchell of Toledo is

1353
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 9: an underrated.

1354
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 3: Name to watch.

1355
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 8: Now shifting to the Browns, they have obviously later picks,

1356
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 8: but bigger picture when you evaluate this draft class, what

1357
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 8: stands out about what could be positions of need for

1358
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 8: the Browns.

1359
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 9: Well, once again, this is a really strong wide receiver class.

1360
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 9: I would love to see the Browns add another wide

1361
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 9: receiver just because they do have some weapons of Mark

1362
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 9: Cooper was phenomenal last year, but outside of that, Elijah

1363
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 9: Moore was a little bit up and down last year.

1364
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 9: But I would like to see them add another weapon

1365
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 9: to the room. So wide receiver, maybe somewhere on day

1366
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 9: two or day three they could look to add one.

1367
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 9: Maybe even early on they could look to add one too.

1368
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 9: So I think with the Browns they just need to

1369
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 9: add another weapon in that room. And then also on

1370
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 9: the defensive side edge rusher, they need somebody. They don't

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01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 9: have a lot of depth there.

1372
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 8: Looking at the State of Ohio, you know, Marvin Harrison

1373
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 8: stands out as from OSU. There's a lot of OSU

1374
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 8: kids here this week, but him specifically, what just stands

1375
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 8: out the way that he is able to have such

1376
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 8: an impact in him not participating this week.

1377
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 7: How does that affect things moving forward?

1378
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 9: Oh, he's the best player in the draft to me.

1379
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 9: That's how highly I think of Marvin Harrison Junior. He's

1380
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 9: not gonna test here unfortunately. We'll see what he ends

1381
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 9: up doing at the Pro Day. But if he doesn't

1382
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 9: do anything in proteas completely.

1383
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 3: Fine with me. The tape is the tape at this point.

1384
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 9: What six foot four, two hundred and fifteen pounds he

1385
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 9: moves he has. He's a big receiver that has the

1386
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 9: movement skills of a smaller wide receiver. There isn't anything

1387
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,479
Speaker 9: that he can't do. He makes miraculous catches. He sinks

1388
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 9: his hips really well and gets in and out of

1389
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 9: his routes. In the end, he has fantastic handock coordination

1390
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 9: to go.

1391
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 3: Up and catch the ball too.

1392
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 8: Do you think that's there's a there could be a shift,

1393
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 8: I guess when it comes to guys not participating this

1394
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 8: week or is this a one off kind of situation

1395
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 8: because he did participate last year in the Pro Day

1396
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 8: with it wasn't eligible. Bonnie participate with CJ last year,

1397
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 8: So could that Do you see that as a potential

1398
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 8: change in the future for.

1399
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 3: The higher ranked guys.

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01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 9: I could see it becoming a trend just because they're

1401
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 9: gonna tell scouts just look at the tape and watch

1402
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 9: what I did throughout the season. There's no reason or

1403
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 9: I don't have anything to gain from performing anything at

1404
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 9: the Combine. And I think Marvin definitely is in that

1405
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 9: tier of players. So I think it's more so of

1406
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 9: your guys that probably are projected to go somewhere in

1407
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 9: the top fifteen to twenty to where we could see

1408
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 9: them not participate in the Combine moving forward. But Day

1409
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 9: two and Day three players, I don't think they're going

1410
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 9: to be able to afford to do that.

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01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 8: Last one, I think for you, who's a prospect that

1412
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 8: you know, maybe is kind of underrated in your eyes,

1413
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 8: that could really use this week to help his.

1414
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 7: Stock and really stand out come drafting.

1415
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 9: Ooh, he put me on the spot. One name I

1416
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 9: really like is Ricky Piersoll of Florida. He's one name

1417
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 9: that I like quite a bit. Transferred over from Arizona

1418
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:58,919
Speaker 9: State to Florida and he was an instant impact type

1419
01:01:58,920 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 9: of player.

1420
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 3: And I'm sure you have seen this highlight. You probably

1421
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 3: haven't noticed it was.

1422
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 9: Ricky Piersaw, but he had a miraculous one hand catch

1423
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 9: against you and see Charlotte down the scene, and I

1424
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 9: think he's going to be able to make those types

1425
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 9: of plays on the next level. So Florida wide receiver

1426
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 9: Ricky Piersa remember that name.

1427
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 7: Awesome, Thank you so much, Jordan for your time.

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01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 3: Thank you as always.

1429
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 2: All right, there's Kelsey Russo talking to ESPN draft analyst

1430
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 2: Jordan Reid. We think both of them for their contributions.

1431
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 2: There Zee and the Godfather Vic Carucci coming up next

1432
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:25,200
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1433
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:26,520
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01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:33,560
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1435
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:37,320
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01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 6: What may treat the Godfather, the man who birthed Cleveland

1437
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 6: Browns Daily from his loins and received his official Cleveland

1438
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 6: Browns Daily hoodie earlier today, the one, the only, the

1439
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 6: notorious v I see Vic Carucci.

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01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 12: First of all, great to be here, great to have you. Secondly,

1441
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 12: highlight of my combine week is seeing that sweat sweatshirt,

1442
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 12: that hoodie, which I will wear with great pride, but

1443
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 12: knowing the backstory, like how this thing has been put

1444
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 12: and It's not just your average hoodie.

1445
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 11: This thing is the material. Yeah, you can like pull

1446
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 11: down a nice.

1447
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 12: And and I think it may have been made in Italy.

1448
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 12: You are right, which is you know.

1449
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 6: Perfect secured after a lengthy search by the great Brad Melon.

1450
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 6: I love it, equipment manager of the Year in the

1451
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 6: National Football League and he yeah, he sorts it. This

1452
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 6: is yeah, this is It's like a Nike fashion collab.

1453
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 6: I'm crazy. Don't go ahead, don't wash it. Don't want

1454
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 6: that's what we said, So wear it and then let

1455
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 6: it wear. Don't get any stains on it.

1456
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 12: But washing it care just yeah, air clean it. It's

1457
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 12: a delicate fabric, delicate fabric. I will treat it.

1458
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 11: There are only four.

1459
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 3: I feel special. You should have it. Thank you.

1460
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 6: There is no CBD without you. Well, you're the Kruci

1461
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 6: in the sea. It's I love this. I love being

1462
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 6: with you. What's going on?

1463
01:03:58,040 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 3: Man?

1464
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 6: We're good, man, We're good. When when was the first

1465
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 6: year you came to the combine?

1466
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 12: So, oh god, nineteen eighty seven ish it was. I

1467
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 12: think it was the first year here was like eighty six.

1468
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 12: I hope I'm getting this right. I'm sure someone's googling it,

1469
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 12: but I want to say it was no later than

1470
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 12: probably eighty seven. Eighty eight sounds a little too late,

1471
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 12: so eighty seven. And there probably were a dozen of

1472
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 12: us at the Crown Plaza hotel. The drill was get

1473
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 12: a room, get a hotel room, find a place to stay,

1474
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 12: and then park yourself, camp yourself at the Crown Plaza

1475
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 12: where the prospects were. It wasn't about what this has

1476
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 12: turned into with especially like the coaches made available and

1477
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,959
Speaker 12: all that. It was strictly talked to the prospects, which

1478
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 12: we did. And and it was so unsophisticated that you'd

1479
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 12: ask a player to get another player to bring him

1480
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 12: out to the and we do it in the restaurant

1481
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 12: of the hotel and hey, could you go fetch so

1482
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 12: and so forth, And you know we'd be standing and

1483
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 12: it would be Len Pascarelli and Howard balls Are Yeah,

1484
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 12: I mean John, John McClain, Peter, Peter King, you know

1485
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 12: that it was. Yeah, it was a lot of a

1486
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 12: lot of ogst this group, Rick Goslin and and you

1487
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 12: really and it was one of those guys who had

1488
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 12: told me, you know, I said, so what do you

1489
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 12: what do you do in the off season? You got, well,

1490
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 12: go to the combine. Now, even before that, it was

1491
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 12: in Dallas. Gil Brandt, of course, the late great gil Brandt,

1492
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 12: was the godfather of that, and that was the original concept.

1493
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 12: And in the early days, Yeah, that's.

1494
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 3: A good point.

1495
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 12: The original concept, Nathan was uh that this would be

1496
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 12: the centralized place number the number one and it's still

1497
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 12: probably one of the most important elements of it was

1498
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 12: to get medical information gathered and collected, and that was

1499
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 12: what the scouts and coaches were most concerned about, like,

1500
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 12: what are we really getting here in hell in terms

1501
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 12: of health. Now again, big for that to be here,

1502
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 12: and I think over the years the hospitals in Indiana

1503
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 12: have formed such a great partnership with the people who

1504
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 12: run this combine. And you wonder in some other cities

1505
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 12: they've talked about it moving to maybe back to Dallas,

1506
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 12: to Los Angeles, that you'd have the same, but it's not.

1507
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 12: It would never be a centralized Yeah, that's.

1508
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 3: Why it's great.

1509
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 11: So you're approaching your fortieth combine.

1510
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 12: Feels yeah, something like that, And every I will say

1511
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 12: every year it feels a little bit different because, first

1512
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 12: of all, you see the changes, especially in the coaching ranks,

1513
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 12: and the team ranks and the media ranks. I mean,

1514
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 12: we're in this massive area, which you asked me back

1515
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 12: in the eighties, would I have could I picture something

1516
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 12: like this? However, many years later, thirty some odd years,

1517
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:55,480
Speaker 12: almost forty years later, No way, no way, I did

1518
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 12: I see it growing like this. But what would happen

1519
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 12: is sports writers, especially This is back before it became

1520
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 12: you know more multimedia was growing in that way, but

1521
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:09,440
Speaker 12: mostly telling convincing their editors that you know what, it's

1522
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 12: a it's a reasonable spend from the budget to send

1523
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 12: me here, send me to this event. I'll get you

1524
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 12: draft prospects that will backload all the stuff we need

1525
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 12: for the draft. Plus we'll talk to other people around

1526
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 12: the league and we can gather quotes and it's content heaven.

1527
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, you know I've been This is probably like

1528
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 6: twelve for me, maybe in that range ten while we

1529
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:35,479
Speaker 6: had the COVID here, so probably eleven. When I first came,

1530
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 6: it was the media row was in the concourse of

1531
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 6: the stadium. Yes, and there were maybe a handful of

1532
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 6: teams that came CBD.

1533
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 12: We we sat up there, right, yeah, no, maybe a

1534
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 12: handful of tea And this was that's the other trend.

1535
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 3: Of course that you know, we're.

1536
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 12: One of the core original teams that had the had

1537
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 12: had its own radio and of course video, but that

1538
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 12: too growing added to that, and then the NFL or

1539
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 12: the combine organizers realize we don't have enough room for

1540
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 12: all these people, and it was getting and I will

1541
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 12: add this that more than a few coaches and executives

1542
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:17,480
Speaker 12: and the occasional team owner that shows up said necessarily

1543
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:19,679
Speaker 12: love the idea that it's that convenient for these guys

1544
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:22,320
Speaker 12: to run us down in the hallway and grab us

1545
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 12: for interviews here, which of course led to a more

1546
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 12: organized I'm pointing in the direction of where those press

1547
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 12: conferences are more organized way of doing that.

1548
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 6: So when you come out here, obviously you're you've got

1549
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 6: a Bill's focus, you have the Browns in your heart.

1550
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:38,719
Speaker 6: What are some of the big stories just NFL wide

1551
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 6: that you're interested in? Because coming here, the thing I

1552
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 6: like about it the most is you know a lot

1553
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 6: of the information you get happens late at night, right,

1554
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 6: and you're able to go and talk and kind of

1555
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 6: find things out. So what are some of the things

1556
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 6: that you're interested in?

1557
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 12: Well, you you hit the key and that is the

1558
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:58,760
Speaker 12: networking ability, and you do get a more relaxed There's

1559
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:01,679
Speaker 12: there is no time during a football season when you're

1560
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:04,679
Speaker 12: going to have the people who make these decisions as

1561
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:08,879
Speaker 12: relaxed as they're capable of being. They're the most paranoid

1562
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:11,120
Speaker 12: humans in the world, football people. We found that out

1563
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 12: long ago, but capable of kind of chilling a little

1564
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 12: bit and maybe over an adult beverage somewhere and you

1565
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:20,639
Speaker 12: just kick back and have a conversation. It doesn't necessarily

1566
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:22,720
Speaker 12: have to be a formal interview that you're going to

1567
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:25,680
Speaker 12: quote the person direct, but you're right, you're getting You're

1568
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 12: getting good download and good background. That's one thing. But

1569
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 12: as far as the issues are concerned, Nathan, I mean,

1570
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 12: you know, you don't forget that you are here to

1571
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 12: try to get a feel for the draft. This is

1572
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 12: usually when most of my homework gets done, a preliminary

1573
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:44,640
Speaker 12: homework to get a best feel I have I have.

1574
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 12: I can't say that before this I can tell you

1575
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 12: other than the top line names, who are the prospects

1576
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 12: to look for. But when you're starting to dig deep

1577
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 12: into into the positions and you're like a team like

1578
01:09:57,080 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 12: the Bills, that I'm mostly covering twenty eighth, you've got

1579
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:03,120
Speaker 12: to really kind of know the depth of say wide

1580
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 12: receive more of a more of a challenge. But that

1581
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 12: all said, uh, I think it's getting the depth of that.

1582
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:14,760
Speaker 3: I think.

1583
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 12: Are there going to be some some the Competition committee

1584
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 12: And that's another change that's happened. This is the the

1585
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 12: beginning portion of the intense work that they do right

1586
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 12: through the league meeting. So Sean McDermott, the Bills coach,

1587
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 12: is on that committee for the first time.

1588
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:34,440
Speaker 3: And uh, and it's been interesting talking.

1589
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:37,679
Speaker 12: To him about what's being discussed in the in those

1590
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 12: rooms they've had. I think they had their third meeting

1591
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:44,880
Speaker 12: today of this combine and uh. He referenced player safety issues,

1592
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 12: but it was it was interesting without revealing too much

1593
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 12: of the of what's going on behind those closed doors.

1594
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 12: He made a point of bringing up kickoffs and I

1595
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:58,160
Speaker 12: think we all know that it's a play that's been

1596
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:01,160
Speaker 12: downsized so much or am I so much that you

1597
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:02,680
Speaker 12: wonder is it ever going to is going to be

1598
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:04,600
Speaker 12: just taken out of the game. It sounds like the

1599
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 12: reverse is happening, which is we want to find a

1600
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:10,720
Speaker 12: way to make an exciting, interesting play.

1601
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 6: More relevant yeah, and it sounds like the XFL rule

1602
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:15,519
Speaker 6: as possibly is that they're looking at, because you had

1603
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 6: a Super Bowl where there were thirteen kickoffs and zero

1604
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,760
Speaker 6: were returned, right right, And that's excited. Devin Hester is

1605
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 6: getting inducted in the Hall of Fame this year. Is

1606
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 6: the greatest returner of all time.

1607
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:26,400
Speaker 12: And you know, as a member of that selection committee,

1608
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:28,760
Speaker 12: I was happy to see that because.

1609
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 11: He should have been in a mediate opinion.

1610
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 3: Well, and I was happy to see it. Happened to

1611
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 3: see it for him, even though it's a different guy.

1612
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 12: But Steve Tasker for the Buffalo Bills has I think

1613
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 12: been a long overlooked and there's been a prejudice against

1614
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:45,719
Speaker 12: special teamers because of the amount of or how little

1615
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 12: they're on the field. And when the decision comes, are

1616
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 12: you picking a guy who's on the field for five

1617
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 12: plays versus the guy who's on the playoff play on

1618
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:56,759
Speaker 12: the field for fifty plays? And how do you rectify

1619
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 12: that in your mind? Well, you know what, it's the

1620
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 12: impact and the game changing and he he changed the game.

1621
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 12: He influenced how teams function in their in their kicking game.

1622
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:11,280
Speaker 12: Uh So I'm talking about tester, But now I think

1623
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 12: you could say the same about Tasker. Now he's in

1624
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:16,600
Speaker 12: that senior pool, but that might happen. Back to the

1625
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:18,679
Speaker 12: other thing about what this combine is about.

1626
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 3: This is real quick. Yes, I find this Hall of Fame.

1627
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 6: We got me thinking so right, you know, Dion was

1628
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 6: complaining that now there's there are too many people in

1629
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:30,200
Speaker 6: the Hall of Fame and there should be the special

1630
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:32,599
Speaker 6: wing for like the best of the best, which.

1631
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 12: Yeah, the Hall Hall of Famers, and then the Hall

1632
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 12: of Fame.

1633
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:37,479
Speaker 6: Right, yeah, what's youre in the Hall of fam You're

1634
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 6: in the Hall of Fame, that's I feel. But right,

1635
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 6: I think one way to conceptualize if you're trying to

1636
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:43,600
Speaker 6: think about and I'm curious get your take on this,

1637
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 6: who the best players ever were? Is if there were

1638
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 6: an ultimate game that was played two fifty three man rosters.

1639
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:54,240
Speaker 6: Are you in that game? If you're in that game,

1640
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 6: to me, you're in the Hall Hall. And if you're

1641
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:57,720
Speaker 6: starting in that game, now, you're in the Hall Hall

1642
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 6: Hall Hall. Devin Hester, from the second that he became

1643
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 6: eligible to be in the Hall of Fame, right, would

1644
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:07,719
Speaker 6: have been the first returner chosen in the ultimate football

1645
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 6: game ever to be played. To mean that means he's

1646
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 6: got to be in the Hall of Fame immediately.

1647
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 12: No question and and without are our rules prohibit me

1648
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 12: from going into any real depth on what was discussed. Sure,

1649
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:23,599
Speaker 12: but there was a lot of discussion, uh in our meetings.

1650
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:27,879
Speaker 11: I want to use the ultimate game discussion.

1651
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 12: I've made a mental note. I'm gonna call it the

1652
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 12: Nathan rule.

1653
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 3: Uh.

1654
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:36,720
Speaker 12: And and look, I think everything you just said there, though,

1655
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 12: is very true. Words to that effect came up with

1656
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 12: regard to impact. Obviously the case was made for him.

1657
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:49,600
Speaker 12: And then there's point and counterpoint. Okay, back to the

1658
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:51,720
Speaker 12: how much time do you actually play? How much are

1659
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:54,599
Speaker 12: you on the field? And are we as a But

1660
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 12: but here's the thing about football. The game includes people

1661
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 12: who don't have as many snaps as others.

1662
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:02,960
Speaker 3: That's just part of the game.

1663
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 12: And I think ultimately the common sense reaction to a

1664
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:11,920
Speaker 12: discussion about a specialist player is he's as much part

1665
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 12: of the game as the quarterback. It doesn't, you know,

1666
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:18,840
Speaker 12: per Dion Sanders Baby doesn't feel like he would put

1667
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 12: him in the over the top hall category. But I'm

1668
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 12: not down with that at all. I think that's I

1669
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 12: think that it was a rebel rousing kind of move.

1670
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 12: And as a selector, as a voter, look we get

1671
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:32,719
Speaker 12: we never get told how great a job we've done

1672
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 12: to put a class in. We always picked on by

1673
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:38,599
Speaker 12: the folks who say, look at who you left out.

1674
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:41,639
Speaker 12: The worst night of sleep I get every year every

1675
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 12: year is the night before the selection meeting, because I

1676
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:47,640
Speaker 12: know it's not about the criticism Nathan. It's about the

1677
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:51,559
Speaker 12: person who's with his family and or or if he's

1678
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:55,639
Speaker 12: you know it deceased posthumously. But the family, the friends,

1679
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 12: the people and the guy who are who are just

1680
01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 12: calling them harp broken and devastated is too soft a term.

1681
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 12: It's crushing, and you're affecting that when when they're not

1682
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:10,760
Speaker 12: voted in. And the last thing I just want to say,

1683
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 12: also about the voting process, I never see it as

1684
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:20,640
Speaker 12: who I'm against. I'm four. Remember there's a reduction. We

1685
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 12: start with twenty five, we get it down to fifteen,

1686
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 12: we get it down to the final seven or eight.

1687
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 12: And I'm also on the subcommittee for the coach and

1688
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:32,240
Speaker 12: Contributor category. It's a dozen of us who vote separate

1689
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 12: from the sixty eight or so who are on the

1690
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 12: selection panel, the full selection panel. And again I'm not

1691
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:43,400
Speaker 12: against I'm just I'm for these people. They don't let

1692
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 12: us put them all in and you know what, they

1693
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 12: all shouldn't be put in as a group because it

1694
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 12: diminishes what the hall is.

1695
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:52,240
Speaker 6: Absolutely I think it's a fascinating thing. And obviously I

1696
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 6: learned a little bit more about it this year with

1697
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:56,679
Speaker 6: Joe Thomas going in of course and kind of getting

1698
01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 6: to talk to him about the processes.

1699
01:15:58,080 --> 01:15:58,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, and all of that.

1700
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 12: And you know, I can't tell you also how special

1701
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 12: it feels when you have a personal tie. I mean

1702
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 12: being with Joe all the years with the Browns, uh

1703
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 12: and and I remember having a conversation with him in

1704
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:14,880
Speaker 12: Canton the day before the induction ceremony. It was just

1705
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 12: such a special thing. One other thing I want to

1706
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:22,600
Speaker 12: say about this though, about the combine, the the the

1707
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 12: the tampering that happens, which is which is and it's

1708
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 12: the wink nod tampering because everybody doesn't it is the

1709
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 12: backbone of the combat. There you go, thank you, because

1710
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 12: more business is getting done, or the groundwork of business

1711
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:41,200
Speaker 12: is getting done in these days, then gets done at

1712
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:44,639
Speaker 12: any other point. The agents come here ready for for bear,

1713
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 12: you know, loaded for bear ready to strike to do something.

1714
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 12: They they are setting their game plans for the free

1715
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 12: agency period. The gms are doing the same thing. Who

1716
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:56,720
Speaker 12: can we retain, who do we need to restructure, who

1717
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:58,600
Speaker 12: are we saying goodbye to? Who's going to take a

1718
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:01,599
Speaker 12: pay cut, Who's going to do whatever it is? Those

1719
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 12: conversations happen, and I think the gms are are much

1720
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:08,600
Speaker 12: busier with that than the Actually, the scouts are the

1721
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 12: ones in the stands with the Yeah, let's let's look

1722
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 12: at his vertical, let's look at his forty again.

1723
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 6: Sometimes people forget that the league years in two and

1724
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:18,920
Speaker 6: a half weeks, right, three weeks from now. Yeah, the

1725
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:20,240
Speaker 6: drafts not till the end of April.

1726
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:20,880
Speaker 3: Correct.

1727
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 6: All the business that really is urgent, and what's gonna

1728
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:25,760
Speaker 6: even shape what you end up doing in the draft

1729
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 6: is happening soon.

1730
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:30,599
Speaker 12: Is happening soon, And it's happening, And maybe I think

1731
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:33,479
Speaker 12: I always think it's fun the you walk through the

1732
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 12: various lobbies. Obviously all these hotels are are interconnected, and

1733
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:40,320
Speaker 12: you can you could stay inside and go into the

1734
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:43,800
Speaker 12: lobbies of how many different hotels, uh from right from here,

1735
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 12: right from this convention center, and you just you just drift.

1736
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 12: I used to always do it, dude, take that. I'll

1737
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 12: probably do it tomorrow, the tour of the lobbies, just

1738
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:53,600
Speaker 12: to see who's talking to who, you know, what the

1739
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:57,719
Speaker 12: conversation is. You see Drew Rosenhouse sitting with whoever, Brandon

1740
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:00,120
Speaker 12: Bean or whoever the GM is and I know what

1741
01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:00,800
Speaker 12: they're talking about.

1742
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 3: And ain't the weather exactly? All right?

1743
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:04,760
Speaker 6: Let's talk a little bills And there were a little

1744
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 6: brown sure, heartbreaking for the Bills again this year, probably

1745
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 6: at home the way that just everything about tough.

1746
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:16,840
Speaker 11: Where do they go from here?

1747
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:19,479
Speaker 6: Because it's you know, you have windows, you have guys

1748
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:21,760
Speaker 6: getting older, especially on the defensive side of the ball

1749
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 6: for them, what does that?

1750
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:24,280
Speaker 11: What's that look like?

1751
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 6: I feel like with Josh Allen you're always going to

1752
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 6: be in the discussion of being able to pry the

1753
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:30,720
Speaker 6: window open to some degree. Sure, it feels like there

1754
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:33,400
Speaker 6: could be a lot of changes on both sides because Diggs,

1755
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:35,320
Speaker 6: who knows what's going to happen there, and you know

1756
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:36,960
Speaker 6: Davis is a free agent and.

1757
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 12: Going I think it's going to be a very different

1758
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 12: looking team. It has to be, because right start the

1759
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 12: conversation with twenty one or twenty two free agents pending

1760
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:51,880
Speaker 12: free good ones and good ones and a guy like

1761
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 12: a Micah Hyde who has been a fixture in a

1762
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 12: secondary How many secondaries? How many safety combinations where you

1763
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:04,080
Speaker 12: had Michahi and Jordan Poyer former Brown but seven years together,

1764
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:07,519
Speaker 12: Like that's unfathomable, you know when you really look at

1765
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:09,680
Speaker 12: that and say, and even though Hyde missed most of

1766
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:13,559
Speaker 12: last season, they still have been the and and even

1767
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:16,479
Speaker 12: there when they bring them out postgame for the news conference,

1768
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:17,519
Speaker 12: they have to do it together.

1769
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:19,599
Speaker 3: It's it's like a thing. It's it's like a it's

1770
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 3: their brand.

1771
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:25,320
Speaker 12: So that change alone would be a big one, saying

1772
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:28,599
Speaker 12: goodbye to High but overall going to be very tough. Now,

1773
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:30,800
Speaker 12: the fact that the salary camp went up from a

1774
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:33,840
Speaker 12: projected what two forty two ish to two fifty five

1775
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:38,200
Speaker 12: point four million per team, The gain of that thirteen

1776
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 12: or so million could influence and help the ability of

1777
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:45,720
Speaker 12: Buffalo to possibly retain some people they might not have

1778
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:48,639
Speaker 12: been able to. I don't I don't see Gabe Davis

1779
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:50,439
Speaker 12: sticking around as the number two. I think he's going

1780
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:53,280
Speaker 12: to flirt that market and take his shot.

1781
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:55,680
Speaker 11: To get me a good think.

1782
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 12: I think there's a good matchup and has had some

1783
01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 12: of his best football with Doors. Dorsey knows how to

1784
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 12: dial it up for him. Yes, a big guy, athletic guy.

1785
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 12: Maybe not the most consistent, concentrated guy, but I think

1786
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:10,599
Speaker 12: each year he might mature and I think he's at

1787
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 12: a point of maturity.

1788
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:14,559
Speaker 3: Hard, hardest worker you'll ever see this guy.

1789
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:17,840
Speaker 12: From the draft day he was doing there was video

1790
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:21,240
Speaker 12: of him doing running routes and working up an incredible like.

1791
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:23,559
Speaker 12: I got tired watching the video of him after he

1792
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 12: was selected by the Bills. And then uh, yeah, you

1793
01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:30,920
Speaker 12: say it with Josh Allen, Yes, the window stays open

1794
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:34,080
Speaker 12: as long as he is their quarterback. However, uh, the

1795
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:38,400
Speaker 12: defense is gonna gets got some big question with Tredevious White.

1796
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:40,640
Speaker 12: Does he come back from that knee? Von Miller? Is

1797
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:42,559
Speaker 12: he ever going to be what he was at the

1798
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 12: beginning of two seasons ago. Uh, you look at Stefan

1799
01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 12: dis Uh his contract is big and his and is

1800
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 12: I don't see it as a good fit for a

1801
01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:57,040
Speaker 12: guy who's production tailed off.

1802
01:20:57,320 --> 01:20:57,519
Speaker 3: Now.

1803
01:20:57,560 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 12: Asking Sean uh Brandon Beana about it, he says it's

1804
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:05,599
Speaker 12: business as usual. But I'm not convinced that that's truly

1805
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:09,040
Speaker 12: the case. I think something's got to give and asking

1806
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:10,960
Speaker 12: him to take a pay cut, my guess is he

1807
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 12: won't love that. Yeah, and that could be a big problem,

1808
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:18,360
Speaker 12: but that wasn't brought up. That's me talking. And look

1809
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 12: the heart like you said, the heart right. Hey, they

1810
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:22,600
Speaker 12: got everything they wanted last year, despite a season that

1811
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 12: at one point looked like they weren't going to make

1812
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:26,679
Speaker 12: the playoffs. Then they turned into the number two seed.

1813
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 12: They win their fourth consecutive division title. They get the

1814
01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:33,360
Speaker 12: Chiefs in Buffalo, and the whole story was if you

1815
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 12: can't beat the Chiefs in Arrowhead, but you get him

1816
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:39,080
Speaker 12: in Buffalo, that'll be different. Well it wasn't different, but

1817
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:41,920
Speaker 12: it was the way it happened. Dick's dropping a deep pass,

1818
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 12: Tyler bass wide right on a make a very makeable

1819
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:49,360
Speaker 12: distance field goal. Those are the things that sting and

1820
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:52,519
Speaker 12: we'll stay with them. So we'll see.

1821
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 3: And by the way, the.

1822
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:57,760
Speaker 12: Competition, including the Browns, the competition in the AFC isn't

1823
01:21:57,760 --> 01:21:58,679
Speaker 12: going to get any easier.

1824
01:21:59,320 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 11: It's loaded.

1825
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:01,360
Speaker 6: Going back to when you were talking about the Hall

1826
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:06,280
Speaker 6: and special teamers, Bills, maybe win that game without special teams,

1827
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:08,120
Speaker 6: and I'll tell you what, the Niners win the super

1828
01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 6: Bowl without special.

1829
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 12: Team And do you remember the Monday night season opener

1830
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:15,599
Speaker 12: against the Jets, how that game ended a special team.

1831
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:17,760
Speaker 6: Be a punt return touchdown. There you go, the kid

1832
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 6: from Hard Knocks, Xavier Gibson. I want to say maybe

1833
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:20,920
Speaker 6: his name was.

1834
01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:24,439
Speaker 12: Yeah, maybe that was. No, it was, and it was.

1835
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:29,640
Speaker 12: Believe me, Sean McDermott hasn't forgotten that. And honestly, there

1836
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:33,559
Speaker 12: were coaching staff changes now, one of them being, of course,

1837
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:37,920
Speaker 12: they made Bobby Babbage, a former Browns assistant, went from

1838
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:41,880
Speaker 12: linebackers coach to defensive coordinator. I think Sean McDermott will

1839
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 12: continue to call the signals as he did last season.

1840
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:46,000
Speaker 11: Oh way, I was with Bobby last night. I love him.

1841
01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 12: But I've said it while he was with the Browns

1842
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:52,080
Speaker 12: and I'll say it again. He's going to be a

1843
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:54,080
Speaker 12: head coach in this league. He has got the timber

1844
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:55,840
Speaker 12: so be a head coach, no doubt.

1845
01:22:55,840 --> 01:23:00,599
Speaker 6: Anyways, So last night at Prime, yeah, later night, I

1846
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:03,080
Speaker 6: was walking out and saw a lot of familiar faces

1847
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:06,080
Speaker 6: and I'm sitting there. Bobby's now d C of the Bills,

1848
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:10,240
Speaker 6: Mike McDaniel head coach of the Dolphins, and Weave Anthony Weavers,

1849
01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 6: the DC of the Dolphins.

1850
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:13,080
Speaker 11: There in that fourteen steps.

1851
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:13,240
Speaker 3: All went through.

1852
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 12: I mean, you know we're gonna go back to Belichick

1853
01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:18,320
Speaker 12: and say it and you know, go through the litany

1854
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:22,479
Speaker 12: of names Poli. But anyway, I I I brought up

1855
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:24,760
Speaker 12: the coaching staff change because the one staff change wasn't

1856
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 12: made with special teams. And I think that is as

1857
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:29,920
Speaker 12: much as anything needs the most cleaning up.

1858
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:32,439
Speaker 6: Well you get because special teams is one of those

1859
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:34,479
Speaker 6: things that you don't want to talk about, but when

1860
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:36,560
Speaker 6: you are, it's typically bad. The ball goes off the

1861
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:39,120
Speaker 6: guys foot for the Niners, that gives a touchdown, you

1862
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:40,679
Speaker 6: missed it, extra point blocked.

1863
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:44,360
Speaker 11: That's eight points decisive. Yes, it could be our guy, Kyle.

1864
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:46,719
Speaker 6: Also with the Browns on that same twenty fourteen staff

1865
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:48,240
Speaker 6: could have got him his first Super Bowl, all right,

1866
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:51,679
Speaker 6: talking about the Browns, Yes, you know we finally got

1867
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:54,639
Speaker 6: to see in the second half against the Ravens, DeShawn

1868
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:58,160
Speaker 6: that was why they brought him here. Flawless leads to

1869
01:23:58,160 --> 01:24:00,720
Speaker 6: come from behind victory in Baltimore against the team that

1870
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:02,559
Speaker 6: you know, for a portion of the season many people

1871
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:04,519
Speaker 6: thought was the best team in the NFL. Then he

1872
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:07,320
Speaker 6: doesn't play again. We at the wild time with Joe Flacco,

1873
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 6: but now it's back to Deshaun and that's why you

1874
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:12,160
Speaker 6: bring in Ken Dorsey try to help him out. We

1875
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:14,240
Speaker 6: talked about that on Browns Daily. What do you kind

1876
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:15,800
Speaker 6: of see from this team as some of the things

1877
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 6: that they've got to do this offseason to be able

1878
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:21,679
Speaker 6: to take that leap and I mean, obviously saying healthy

1879
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:24,120
Speaker 6: can't control that, but to be able to take that leap.

1880
01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:29,679
Speaker 12: Well there there as much as it worked out remarkably well,

1881
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:33,800
Speaker 12: you'd have to say, and why I Kevin Stepanski got

1882
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:37,040
Speaker 12: my Coach of the Year vote as much as you

1883
01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:40,200
Speaker 12: can say that with four different quarterbacks that can't happen

1884
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 12: again for anything close.

1885
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:43,880
Speaker 11: To the final eight in the NFL. Only c J.

1886
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:46,800
Speaker 11: Stroud missed games, and he was missed two with a concussion.

1887
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:53,880
Speaker 12: And the only quarterback that can play or that needs

1888
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:57,400
Speaker 12: to play and not only play the fullest of seasons,

1889
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:02,840
Speaker 12: but take it to that level of what inspired the

1890
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 12: whole purpose purpose of bringing him board is Deshaun Watson

1891
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:09,160
Speaker 12: get you asked me a simple answer to the question.

1892
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:12,320
Speaker 12: It has to be Watson or Bust. It has to

1893
01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:17,000
Speaker 12: be everything about their season is driving there now they

1894
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 12: threw an asset at it with the Ken Dorsey hiring.

1895
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:20,519
Speaker 7: Now.

1896
01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:23,400
Speaker 12: I I also think Alex van Pelt I have high

1897
01:25:23,439 --> 01:25:26,080
Speaker 12: regard for him. I've known since his since his rookie

1898
01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 12: year in the NFL as a player with Buffalo. I

1899
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 12: don't necessarily know that it was an upgrade at coordinator.

1900
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:36,559
Speaker 12: But but but I'm going to tell you it's different.

1901
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:37,120
Speaker 3: That's my point.

1902
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 12: I don't think in any way the grass went up

1903
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:42,720
Speaker 12: or down, because I do have great regard also for

1904
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:45,400
Speaker 12: Ken Dorsey. Also thought when Ken Dorsey was fired by

1905
01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:48,600
Speaker 12: the by the Bills, it felt a little scapegoatish.

1906
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:50,960
Speaker 3: A lot of scapegoaters, you know.

1907
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:53,400
Speaker 12: And Josh was crushed because Josh was the reason he

1908
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:55,360
Speaker 12: got the job, and Josh also was the reason he

1909
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:57,400
Speaker 12: got fired. And Josh knows it, and he and he'll

1910
01:25:57,400 --> 01:25:59,720
Speaker 12: probably have a hard time for giving himself for that

1911
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:02,679
Speaker 12: and wanting it to have even if as things worked

1912
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:04,639
Speaker 12: out well with Joe Brady. All of that said, back

1913
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:10,479
Speaker 12: to the Browns, Dorsey's learned some valuable lessons about balance

1914
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:14,519
Speaker 12: offense and if the right the sweet spot can be

1915
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:18,840
Speaker 12: found between getting the max out of Dorsey the max

1916
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 12: out of Watson from Dorsey as the thrower runner, the

1917
01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:28,040
Speaker 12: thrower on the run. But there will be some running

1918
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:31,519
Speaker 12: component that I think he designs and designs well and

1919
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 12: did it for Cam Newton before he did it for

1920
01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:37,120
Speaker 12: Josh Allen as a quarterbacks coach in Carolina. And then

1921
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:41,200
Speaker 12: the running game itself being a presence, being something that

1922
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:45,040
Speaker 12: takes the pressure off that all those components are there

1923
01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:47,880
Speaker 12: with the old line, and I have faith that Stefanski

1924
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:52,240
Speaker 12: can figure that out and get it done. But here's

1925
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:56,879
Speaker 12: the other bottom line. Can't succumb to the feeling of pressure,

1926
01:26:57,200 --> 01:27:00,439
Speaker 12: the pressure cooker that is the season, the state being

1927
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:03,120
Speaker 12: what they are and when, and the realization of that

1928
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 12: and sometimes the thought of that. And even if everybody

1929
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:06,960
Speaker 12: says the right thing, we know what we're doing, it's

1930
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:10,439
Speaker 12: no different than it is different if I mean, we

1931
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 12: can say it from the outside. They may not necessarily

1932
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:15,880
Speaker 12: want to acknowledge it, they being the coach, the GM,

1933
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:19,920
Speaker 12: the Howorks. As long as they manage that as well

1934
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:23,120
Speaker 12: as you know well, manage it well, and then everything

1935
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:26,960
Speaker 12: else within the team and you get some breaks with health.

1936
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:30,880
Speaker 12: There's no reason to think that the Browns couldn't be

1937
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:35,439
Speaker 12: competing for a division title and a deep playoff run

1938
01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:39,439
Speaker 12: from a division that is pretty balanced. I mean, do

1939
01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:41,320
Speaker 12: we do we look at the Ravens with fear? Do

1940
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:44,040
Speaker 12: you say they can't know? They can they can hang,

1941
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:46,160
Speaker 12: they can play with any of those teams, and I

1942
01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:48,280
Speaker 12: think they can play with any team in the entire conference.

1943
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:50,920
Speaker 11: Yeah, And it's a loaded conference, and it's a loaded conference.

1944
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:53,280
Speaker 6: You've covered the league for a long time, it feels

1945
01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:57,920
Speaker 6: like you look around the AFC, it's as good as

1946
01:27:58,000 --> 01:27:59,479
Speaker 6: it's maybe ever been.

1947
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:03,960
Speaker 12: And I love that because what what make part of

1948
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:06,960
Speaker 12: what makes us say that is the CJ. Strouds factor

1949
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 12: in Houston, seeing young quarterbacks emerge. Not sure what's going

1950
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:13,639
Speaker 12: to happen with with Pittsburgh, but we sure as heck

1951
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:16,880
Speaker 12: know a healthy Joe Burrow in Cincinnati. Look what that

1952
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:20,439
Speaker 12: means again, we know what you know what the Browns have,

1953
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:22,960
Speaker 12: We know what the Ravens have. And there's oh yeah,

1954
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:28,840
Speaker 12: that MVP quarterback in Lamar and then Josh Allen and

1955
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:32,120
Speaker 12: and I can't believe I'm mentioning them, not necessarily last,

1956
01:28:32,120 --> 01:28:35,000
Speaker 12: but the Chiefs aren't going anywhere and they're going to

1957
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:37,400
Speaker 12: be just as good. Why does Andy Reid he's Andy

1958
01:28:37,439 --> 01:28:41,040
Speaker 12: Reid is going to I'm making a little prediction here,

1959
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 12: gonna be signed of the contract extension soon. I believe

1960
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:46,840
Speaker 12: he'll and rightfully so. And what a shock, you know,

1961
01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:50,120
Speaker 12: super Bowl winner gets a contract session he's he at

1962
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:54,000
Speaker 12: sixty five, has no desire to do anything except what

1963
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:56,759
Speaker 12: he's doing and why He's got a twenty eight year old,

1964
01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:59,519
Speaker 12: a freak as a quarterback who's going to be a

1965
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:03,559
Speaker 12: freak for or at least possibly another ten years.

1966
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:05,280
Speaker 11: And you've got to tip your cap to him too.

1967
01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:10,400
Speaker 6: For and really their whole organization for realizing that they

1968
01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:13,720
Speaker 6: had to change who they were. They they became a

1969
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:16,960
Speaker 6: defensive kind of bully team. They invented themselves, Yeah, which

1970
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:22,120
Speaker 6: is incredible. And that speaks to not only the wisdom

1971
01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:26,240
Speaker 6: and intelligence of a head coach, but selling that idea.

1972
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:29,599
Speaker 3: To your team forty yards every year.

1973
01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:32,800
Speaker 12: You convinced this quarterback some days you're going to be

1974
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:35,519
Speaker 12: the caddy to the defense. Really, mister, you know, mister

1975
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:39,120
Speaker 12: dominant super Bowl MVP, as great a quarterback as I've

1976
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:42,200
Speaker 12: ever seen. And i'll i'll you know, in the whole

1977
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:46,880
Speaker 12: juxtaposition of Tom Brady and and uh Patrick Mahomes that

1978
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:49,880
Speaker 12: conversation is real. I mean, there are more pelts on

1979
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:52,840
Speaker 12: the Brady wall, but the but it's it's not just pelts,

1980
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:55,280
Speaker 12: it's what you see, what your eyes tell you that,

1981
01:29:55,479 --> 01:29:56,559
Speaker 12: oh my god, he can do it.

1982
01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:58,479
Speaker 3: And and and coming to the.

1983
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:01,200
Speaker 12: Realization he didn't have to throw four hundred yards and

1984
01:30:01,240 --> 01:30:04,280
Speaker 12: four touchdowns every game. Sometimes and most of the time,

1985
01:30:04,280 --> 01:30:06,200
Speaker 12: it is make two or three more plays than the

1986
01:30:06,240 --> 01:30:07,680
Speaker 12: other team, and then he win.

1987
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:09,400
Speaker 6: And then when he needed to, we need to get

1988
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:11,439
Speaker 6: a field goal to get in the overtime, he win it.

1989
01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:14,160
Speaker 12: Boom And you know, and and the same say about Brady,

1990
01:30:14,360 --> 01:30:17,000
Speaker 12: give him the ball last you're probably gonna.

1991
01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:19,880
Speaker 6: Lose at your own perils, at your own peril. Yeah,

1992
01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:23,800
Speaker 6: a remarkable, remarkable season and a great Super Bowl win.

1993
01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:25,519
Speaker 6: And again it sets up as you talk about in

1994
01:30:25,560 --> 01:30:28,479
Speaker 6: this AFC just loaded. And that's when we're not to

1995
01:30:28,479 --> 01:30:31,759
Speaker 6: mention in the Bills division. Maybe Aaron Rodgers is coming.

1996
01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:33,720
Speaker 12: Back, you know, may and if he will get more

1997
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:35,960
Speaker 12: than four plays, and if he comes back and plays

1998
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:37,960
Speaker 12: say five or six, No, if he comes back and

1999
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:42,519
Speaker 12: gets gets gives them the full season. If that is there,

2000
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:45,160
Speaker 12: they've got to be considered the force. They I think

2001
01:30:45,160 --> 01:30:47,800
Speaker 12: they've got a lot of other issues and problems to

2002
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:51,759
Speaker 12: overcome that are not Rogers related necessarily. And Rogers himself

2003
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:55,360
Speaker 12: identified the culture thing in the building that he didn't like.

2004
01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:57,639
Speaker 12: So that's got a change. And I don't know if

2005
01:30:57,760 --> 01:30:59,840
Speaker 12: is that starting from you know, if that emanating from

2006
01:30:59,880 --> 01:31:02,400
Speaker 12: the top. If it is, might not be as fixable,

2007
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:06,479
Speaker 12: but I'll buy that more of Rogers gives them a chance.

2008
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:09,080
Speaker 12: And oh, by the way, don't sleep on the Miami Dolphins.

2009
01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:12,559
Speaker 12: The great Peter King retiring, uh the other day announcing

2010
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:17,040
Speaker 12: that retirement and read his column, uh, and it was

2011
01:31:17,160 --> 01:31:22,400
Speaker 12: another of his masterpieces, his outgoing column. He in there

2012
01:31:22,520 --> 01:31:27,679
Speaker 12: he mentions that the team he's he's looking out for,

2013
01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:29,720
Speaker 12: the team that he thinks he's got an eye on,

2014
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:32,960
Speaker 12: is the Dolphins, and he mentions it because of the

2015
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:38,160
Speaker 12: brilliance of their head coach that he sees. Just he

2016
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:41,960
Speaker 12: brought he used an anecdote of a specific play he

2017
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:44,400
Speaker 12: saw that you would think was innocuous in a game,

2018
01:31:44,439 --> 01:31:46,320
Speaker 12: but he brought it up to him and it was

2019
01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:50,640
Speaker 12: a weird use of motion or something pre snapped and

2020
01:31:50,640 --> 01:31:53,519
Speaker 12: and H McDaniel hears this and and kind of says, like,

2021
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:55,840
Speaker 12: why did you pick that out, like like were you

2022
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:58,479
Speaker 12: reading our you got cameras and microphones in our building

2023
01:31:58,720 --> 01:32:02,000
Speaker 12: because the what made that place so special. It goes

2024
01:32:02,120 --> 01:32:06,280
Speaker 12: back to like eighty something years from the college level

2025
01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:09,439
Speaker 12: that that he pulled that play and says, if I

2026
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:11,759
Speaker 12: just I put this together and it was specifically against

2027
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:14,280
Speaker 12: New England, that it worked because he said, what what

2028
01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:17,160
Speaker 12: has Bill Belichick not seen? You got to you got

2029
01:32:17,200 --> 01:32:20,280
Speaker 12: to give him something that he might say any and

2030
01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:24,200
Speaker 12: I guess, as Peter mentioned in pre snap, the Patriots

2031
01:32:24,200 --> 01:32:27,200
Speaker 12: defense was doing like wait, what are they happening? What's

2032
01:32:27,240 --> 01:32:29,760
Speaker 12: happening over here? And Peter tells a wonderful much better

2033
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:31,679
Speaker 12: than I just told it. But it's a great, great

2034
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:34,200
Speaker 12: part of that Colm anyway, what a treat?

2035
01:32:34,479 --> 01:32:37,360
Speaker 11: An absolute pleasure, same here, Absolutely pleasure you.

2036
01:32:37,560 --> 01:32:40,679
Speaker 12: Oh love that, love you too, Love all you guys,

2037
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:45,240
Speaker 12: Jason Gibbs, my whole crew. Bo uh, you know, just

2038
01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:48,120
Speaker 12: seeing it always feels like coming back home, even when

2039
01:32:48,200 --> 01:32:50,479
Speaker 12: it is even when it's a remote home in any.

2040
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:54,760
Speaker 6: He says, You've always got the uncle Victor. Sweet, It's

2041
01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:55,640
Speaker 6: always reserved for you.

2042
01:32:55,720 --> 01:32:57,320
Speaker 3: Thanks so much. I appreciate it, all right, buddy.

2043
01:32:57,360 --> 01:33:00,160
Speaker 2: I great stuff from Z and vic on that we

2044
01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:02,479
Speaker 2: are back tomorrow. The next level is coming up next.

2045
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:05,280
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