WEBVTT - Tea from Paris: Day Seventeen 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:06.640 Monday, August twelve, Olympic Games are officially over because we 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:11.080 still don't know who won bronze in women's floor exercise. 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:12.040 It's crazy. 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:16.080 It was exactly seven days ago that that floor exercise happened. 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:19.200 And the drama continues and tm USA is fighting back, 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:23.280 not quite ready to FedEx Jordan Chiles bronze medal back 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:27.880 to the IOC and says it has submitted video evidence 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:31.440 that irrefutably shows that the bronze belongs to Chiles. 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:34.159 Welcome everybody to this episode of Amy and TJ as 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:38.000 we continue our Olympics coverage, and this has become the story. 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:40.960 There have been a couple of stories the boxers, the 0:00:41.320 --> 0:00:46.000 gender controversy, I think is one of the lasting stories Robes. 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:48.680 But now this story the Olympics is over, and this 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:51.280 story continues and doesn't necessarily look like it's going to 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:52.000 end anytime soon. 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:56.480 Yeah, I mean, it's remarkable and honestly it's I feel 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:58.800 like it's shameful at this point because this is not 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:01.760 in the spirit of the Olympics. But I love the 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:06.480 TMUSA is fighting back Gymnastics TMUSA Gymnastics calling bs on 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:09.920 the court decision that said Jordan Chiles did not win 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:13.120 her bronze medal, and they say they have the evidence 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:13.800 to back it up. 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:16.840 It seems weird to get you caught up because a 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:18.640 lot of you all and everybody seems to be following. 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:22.120 But the quick, very quick recap. Jordan Chiles placed fifth 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:25.000 in the floor exercise. She made an inquiry into her score. 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:27.319 The score was adjusted up, put her in thirst. She 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:30.720 got the bronze. Romania protested. A court ruled over the 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:34.600 weekend that Jordan did not win that bronze medal because 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:39.200 that inquiry came four seconds after the one minute deadline. 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:41.199 Get it, got it good? You should all be caught 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:43.240 up now. But again, a lot of you all have 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:44.520 been following it, that's right. 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:47.640 And so the court that made that ruling said, hey, 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:49.440 we're not going to get involved in the medals. That 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:53.280 is the International Olympic Committee's decision. And so the IOC 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:57.520 made a decision Sunday saying that Jordan Chiles needs to 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:01.920 return her bronze medal and that it would be reallocated 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:05.520 to the Romanian gymnast who is now officially the third 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:09.040 place winner. But late yesterday USA Gymnastics released a statement 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:12.679 saying that it had quote formally submitted a letter and 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:17.040 video evidence to the Court of Arbitration for Sport conclusively 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:22.720 establishing that head coach the cil Landy's request to file 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:28.080 an inquiry was submitted forty seven seconds after publishing the score, 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:31.880 well within the one minute deadline required by the rule, 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:36.359 and in fact they say that she made another inquiry 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:40.680 fifty five seconds, so there were two moments where they 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:45.480 asked for the judges to look at the score, specifically 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:49.720 her degree of difficulty score, well within the one minute. 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:52.960 Again, folks, we're saying they have I don't know how 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:57.600 you refute time stamped video evidence, but they're saying not 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:00.600 just one, but two. So they have an inquiry and 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:03.440 a backup inquiry. They say both took place before that 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:06.080 one minute deadline. They say they did not have this 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:10.160 video evidence before the court ruling. They would have submitted it, 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:12.120 but they didn't have it. But they also would not 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:14.200 at this point go into further detail about the video 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:18.560 where it came from, citing confidentiality. So that is where 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:21.160 we are. I don't know what the rule is necessarily for. 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:25.359 I guess you can always appeal and fight back if 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:27.840 the court made a ruling already about the one minute 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:30.680 and four seconds. Where was their evidence? They didn't just 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:33.120 take Romania's word for it, I'm sure so they had. 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:35.360 There has to be something else out there that the 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:37.000 court based their ruling on. 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:39.680 Yeah, and that's so interesting because we were asking that 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:44.000 question yesterday. Where did this minute and four seconds come from? 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:47.800 Who was supposed to be timing it? There were omega 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:51.440 clocks everywhere, yet nowhere did I see a countdown or 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:54.040 have I ever even heard of a countdown after the 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:58.400 last gymnasts routine, because typically you don't even really need 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:01.400 a countdown clock if it was any other gymnast in 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:03.040 any other part of this rotation. 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:05.120 Basically, you have the time. 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:07.640 A coach or a gymnast or an athlete has the 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:11.560 time from when the score is posted until the next 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:15.160 gymnast starts their routine. But when you're the last gymnast, 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:19.440 as Childs was to perform, you have exactly one minute. 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:23.280 So this would be a non issue. If she went second, third, fourth, fifth, 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:27.520 or sixth in the rotation, there is no clock. If 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:30.680 the next person would have started, your time is up, essentially, 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:33.680 so what do you do? We have a seventeen second difference. Now, 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:36.159 what are we going to do to make up the 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:40.880 difference between forty seven seconds that the US said that 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:44.359 they took to submit an inquiry and a minute and 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:47.600 four seconds. It feels like a we've all been in 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:50.440 negotiation before. I want to give you one thousand dollars, 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:54.240 you want two thousand dollars, and we agree on fifteen hundred. 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:56.520 I don't know how you do this. If we're at 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:58.640 a minute four, you're at forty seven. How do you 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:02.119 reconcile that seven a team minute difference? I cannot wait 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:05.600 to see this video that they say as time stamped 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:09.039 and proves it. So if that is now submitted, is 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:11.640 that now better evidence? Is that going to be seen 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:16.320 as more definitive proof? And now Jordan should get and 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:18.480 then was Romaana, you're gonna come back and say something else? 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:20.520 Is not an end insight to it? Right now? 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:20.800 Yeah? 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:23.599 I mean, look, if they can unequivocally, which they say, 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:28.039 they can, prove that those inquiries plural came well before 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:32.200 the minute was up, here's the deal. The judges said 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:36.480 the inquiry was correct. They acknowledged that they made a 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:39.480 mistake when calculating child's difficulty score. 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:41.680 So if it's. 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:47.039 Proven that the inquiry happened within that minute. It's it's 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:51.839 it's irrefutable that Jordan's score a Jordan Child's score should 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:55.400 be thirteen point seven to sixty six, which clearly puts 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:56.279 her in third place. 0:05:56.360 --> 0:06:00.760 My issue is that you can't have both can't be true. 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:05.560 You cannot have a proof that they submitted it in 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:09.920 forty seven seconds and the court made a ruling based 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:12.039 on proof that had happened in a minute four seconds. 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:14.520 You can't prove those two things cannot be true. Something's 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:16.680 got to cancel out. So I can imagine that the 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:20.640 court really not have They've got to have something. Don't 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:21.760 think Romania has to have some. 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:23.520 You would think that they would have to it. 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:25.920 Couldn't just take Romania's word for it. They have some. 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:28.360 They got an answer for this, and you know it's 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:32.159 not some doctored footage from the US. It's time stamp. 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:33.599 I can't wait to see this. 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:33.960 Yeah. 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:36.280 And also, you know, just a little deep dive I 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:39.279 was trying to do on how they do time it 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:43.560 what typically happens, and from what I've read, the judge 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:46.080 or the person who accepts the inquiry is the one 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:48.320 who was supposed to be timing it, so they accept it. 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:51.039 At the end of the day, the judge who was 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:54.440 responsible for timing this or making sure it fell within 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:58.760 a certain time period, that minute time period, clearly accepted 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:03.279 the inquiry and then rule right there in the gymnasium. 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:05.280 We read that the decision by the court. I don't 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:08.640 remember them mentioning anything about h I don't think them 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:13.360 they mentioned why the minute for how they know it 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:14.040 was a minute four? 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:14.679 They didn't. 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:17.600 They didn't say based on something submitted, based on this 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:20.000 or that, I don't know, and not even testimony from 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:23.080 the judge who took the inquiry. I have no idea 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:24.320 where they got the minute four from it. 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:26.760 I know, And we wondered that yesterday and here we 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:31.040 go now with apparently proof that that is not that 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:32.800 is not in fact the case. And look, you know, 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:36.640 just in terms of saying the headline that Chiles had 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:39.120 to return her bronze medal and it was going to 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:42.280 be reallocated to the Romanian gymnast I just. 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:43.120 Think that that is. 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:46.640 That is just so not in the spirit of the Olympics. 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:50.640 If Jordan Chiles had been accused of doping or cheating, 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:54.680 that would be to me, the only acceptable reason for 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:58.440 removing a medal from an athlete who did nothing wrong. 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:05.520 She did her routine, and then her coaches challenged the 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:10.240 judges who admitted they didn't give her the correct difficulty score. 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:12.440 To me, that's the end of story. 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:16.960 The story is the timing. I have no idea, I 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:19.120 really don't, But the story is the timing. If it 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:22.480 came in after fine, that sucks. Give the other young 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:24.720 lady a bronze medal and let's all move on. I 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:27.000 don't know why. It's not that simple, but it's just 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:28.960 simple time issue. Is it a minute or not? 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:40.199 What do you think about giving them both the bronze 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:43.680 sweet That is the op This would be done exactly. 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:45.960 She could have done this days ago, exactly. We could 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:48.240 go and I'm pretty sure Jordan would have been happy 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:50.280 and the other young lady would have been happy, and 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:51.160 everything would have been fine. 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:53.480 Yeah, And the Roumanians asked for that. They asked for 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:56.040 a shared bronze medal. They didn't ask for the bronze 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:58.600 medal to be taken from Chiles and be given to 0:08:58.640 --> 0:08:59.920 their athlete or athletes. 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:02.119 They specifically asked. 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:05.120 For that, And so I just I'm curious why that 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:08.760 wasn't even considered an option in this case. It seems 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:10.920 like that would be the thing that made the most sense. 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:12.640 And the sad thing is, because of all this back 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:15.640 and forth, you know, people tend to take sides and 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:19.360 unfortunately have gotten incredibly cruel about it. 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:21.200 So not I mean, we've talked about. 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:23.880 How Jordan has been dealing with a lot of hateful 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:26.960 comments online, racist comments online, according to her mother, so 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:31.680 much so that she's removed herself from being in social media, 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:34.560 which is incredibly sad. But I also was reading that 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:38.480 Anna Barbosu, who is the Romanian gymnast, she actually wrote 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:42.920 something on Instagram which I thought was important to share. 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:46.040 She said, Sabrina, that was the other Romanian gymnast who 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:49.440 tied with her Jordan. My thoughts are with you. I 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:51.520 know what you were feeling because I've been through the same, 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:54.319 but I know you'll come back stronger. And then she says, 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:56.400 I hope from deep in my heart that at the 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:59.560 next Olympics all three of us will share the same podium. 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:04.280 This is my dream. So the athletes aren't fighting among themselves, 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:07.679 and they're in the spirit of trying to do and 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:10.800 be fair about all of this and still support one another. 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:13.360 I don't understand why the rest of the world can't 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:13.880 do the same. 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:18.840 And to her credit, she did point some fingers back 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:23.040 at the judges. The I on't say yes, I say adults, 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:25.400 if you will, Some of these gymnastar young girls, but 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:27.960 there are women here. But she said the situation would 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:30.840 not have existed if the persons in charge had respected 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:35.120 the regulation. Athletes are not to be blamed and the 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:37.880 hate directed to us is painful. I wanted to end 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:41.120 this edition of the Olympic Games Paris twenty twenty four 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:44.400 and the spirit of Olympism, as she put it, the 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:48.600 true value of the world. So now you actually have 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:51.720 the athletes who are coming out and trying to calm 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:55.720 a situation that the adults seem to be continuing to 0:10:55.800 --> 0:11:00.880 exacerbate with the back and forth. I look. I looked 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:02.360 and looked, and spent a lot of time this morning 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:09.040 trying to find something comparable to this. But when someone's 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:16.000 asked it for metal back or stripped from a medal. 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:21.000 In Olympic history, it's all been about doping or cheating 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:24.280 in some way, circumventing the rules in some way. There's 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:29.240 guys in the past who competed under not their real name, 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:32.160 so they had their medals taken. There was somebody who 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:35.840 on the equestrian team that they promoted to a lieutenant 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:39.200 so he could be a gentleman and right things like that. 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:40.400 Other than that, it's doping. 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:41.240 Yeah. 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:41.520 I mean. 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:44.600 The only thing, the only incident that I've heard anybody 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:47.080 compare this to, is back in twenty twelve with Paul Ham, 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:49.480 the US gymnasts who had won gold, and then the 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:53.160 South Korean gymnast who found out or pretty much immediately 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:54.679 announced they had gotten it wrong. It was a whole 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:57.079 start value issue, kind of similar to what we're looking 0:11:57.120 --> 0:11:59.640 at with Jordan Childs. The difference in South Korea did 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:02.400 not put in an inquiry at the time and only 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:05.480 did it later. But still they asked for Paul Ham 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:08.520 to return his gold medal, and it took several months 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:10.760 of arbitration, but Paul Ham was allowed to keep his 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:14.200 gold medal and they did not change the scores. But 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:16.200 it was a cut and dry case in this sense 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:19.720 that South Korea did not put in an inquiry anywhere 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:22.240 near the amount of time, so it wasn't even an issue. 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:24.800 This is the issue is the time. As we point out, 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:28.360 and you know what, we have started to hear sports 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:33.080 analysts athletes really point to the problem of what happened. 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:36.880 If the judges at that event had done what they 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:39.679 were supposed to do, they wouldn't have missed the degree 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:43.360 of difficulty in Chiles's it was a split leap, and 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:46.920 if that had happened, none of this would be happening. 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:49.080 That is where it all went wrong. 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:51.439 I give, I know it's the biggest stage in the 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:54.120 eyes are on it. But if you go back and 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:57.000 look at all how many competed in the floor exercise. 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:58.720 Eight to take eight Yeah, in the finals. 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:00.000 If you go through every routine, I bet they missed 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:00.800 something in every routine. 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:01.520 That's that's fair. 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:03.920 I mean judges, and I'm gonna used to referees doing this. 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:07.480 Referees miss calls, they just do. It's human. You've got 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:11.120 a human being involved in something. Mistakes are possible. Some 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:13.520 of that is kind of built in a ref's miss 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:15.920 called oh you missed the file in the second quarter. 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:19.440 Oh in the fourth quarter, you missed that, uh missed whatever? 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:23.439 It just it happened. So it happened here. But it's 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:27.160 a perfect storm that has been created now to where 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:30.719 I don't know which just an adult would step up 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:34.040 and deal with this and the kids, I say the kids, 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:35.880 but the young women are the ones who are stepping up, 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:39.160 who are trying to call in the situation. I just 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:42.920 it just is I don't understand why she can't keep 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:43.360 the metal. 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:46.960 Yeah, yeah, I mean I was reading the final line. 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:50.839 The Sports Illustrated has a great article out and they 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:56.080 basically ended with saying that both gymnasts should get the bronze, 0:13:56.120 --> 0:14:00.599 and the people who were entrusted with running this competition 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:03.079 are the ones who screwed up. And their point is 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:05.480 the least they can do now is not make it worse. 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:08.280 And how you don't make it worse is by giving 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:10.319 both of those young women bronze medals. 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:14.920 Yeah. I don't know what rule they have out there 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:18.360 that prevents this. They haven't presented anything that says we 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:21.840 can't do this. It just isn't out there. And this 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:24.040 metal reallocation, I don't know if the oh yeah, at 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:27.920 this point they're saying the metal reallocation. They've contacted both 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:31.800 the Olympic committees, Romania and the US trying to figure 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:34.480 out how to reallocate the medals, and this is something 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:36.880 they've done where you get the option now to have 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:39.240 a ceremony somewhere or come back and do it at 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:43.120 the next Olympics. And they actually had reallocation ceremonies this 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:45.720 year that you missed. It was on Friday. But a 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:50.160 lot of athletes from ten twenty plus years ago who 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:54.600 finished with bronze or silver or not a metal at all, 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:58.160 and then some doping something comes up, somebody loses the medal, 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:01.640 they get elevated and moved up, and then they get 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:03.960 their meddle ten twelve plus years later. But all of 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:05.760 those situations, that's all I had to do with doping. 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:08.880 Yes, I was looking at that too. They're all involving 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:15.480 doping and this is I feels unprecedented and it's not over, 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:17.600 and you know, we can only hope that they do 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:19.600 the right thing. And I just I also hope that 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:22.640 just everyone out there can calm down and stop pointing 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:25.600 fingers at the athletes. I think that's the biggest that's 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:29.440 the saddest part of this, that these athletes world class, 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:32.760 the best of the best, who gave their heart and 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.400 soul and put it all on the line. Are now 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:40.600 dealing with hateful you know, vitriol which people might not think, Oh, 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:42.320 just turn off for social media, and who cares? 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:43.720 It affects people? 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:47.440 Words matter, what people say has a huge impact. We 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:50.000 know how that feels. You can try to rise above it. 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:54.600 But they did nothing wrong and are so undeserving of 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:59.960 this and are deserving of national pride and international recogn 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:04.640 for what they've done. And I'm proud of how all 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:06.160 of these girls have handled this. 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:08.680 I didn't do a deep dive on the social media stuff. 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:11.480 You know, I'm not on that lately, but I didn't. 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:15.920 I have no idea watching what happened on TV with 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:19.320 the floor exercise, why anybody could walk away being mad 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:21.600 at either athlete. Neither one did a single thing. 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:23.520 And they had genuine reactions, but there. 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:26.720 Was nothing what critics, I don't when you talked about it, 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:29.920 and I know it's been out there. Who's mad at 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:32.640 George Giles? How can you be mad at George Giles? 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:34.560 Or is it an America thing? Is it more so 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:36.800 look at the Americans again? Kind of a thing? I 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:38.240 think I haven't really. 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:42.160 I think what it was was that horrific juxtaposition that 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:45.720 was no fault of either gymnast where you had Anna 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:49.200 the Romanian gymnast sobbing at the moment she realized after 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:51.360 she had her flag draped around her that she wasn't 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:54.640 going to get a bronze medal, and Jordan realizing she 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:57.320 was going to get it, and her elation, and both 0:16:57.360 --> 0:17:02.400 of those are authentic, does deserving reactions to a very 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:06.480 shocking change of events. So neither one of those women 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:09.479 did anything wrong in their genuine reactions to the news 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:12.439 and so, but people take offense to it and for 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:15.720 whatever reason, And you can't explain or understand why people 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:18.240 want to blame. I think there's just this need to 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:20.879 have a bad guy and a good guy. Everyone wants 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:23.120 the black and white, and it's just not the case 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:24.159 in this situation at all. 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:25.000 And you pointed this. 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:29.000 Out one of the most incredible moments. I think some 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:32.600 people would say it was the most iconic moment of 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:36.320 the Games, when Simone Biles and Jordan Chiles A bowed 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:42.160 to andrage Brazil's amazing Rebecca Andrage who did that incredible 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:45.000 floor routine that would never have happened, you know, I mean, 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:46.080 just we're. 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:48.720 Being told right now it didn't at this moment. We're 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:51.720 told that moment did not happen. That historic moment of 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:54.840 three black gymnasts for the first time being on the podium, 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:59.160 all three black, never happened before. And we're told, actually, 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:01.479 it did not happen des by what I saw, because 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:04.359 Jordan Jiles didn't win bronze, is what we're being told 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:06.919 currently until the court rules again, I don't know how 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:07.919 that this is supposed to go. 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:10.280 Yeah, I mean, we'll keep following it. I know everybody 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:12.639 else is. And unfortunately, you know, this has been an 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:16.280 incredible Olympics. I think NBC did, and we both have 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:19.240 said this an incredible job. The access we had to 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:21.240 events we had never been able to see before. I've 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:24.360 never watched so much Olympic sports in my life, even 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:26.919 having been to most of the most recent Olympics. So 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:30.240 this was such a pleasure and a joy. But this 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:37.360 is the shadow. This is unfortunately really taking away what 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:40.560 was otherwise a remarkable Olympics. 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:44.800 And why this matters. I know where the story of 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:48.240 the Olympics is. Folks fighting over a bronze medal. Right, 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:50.800 it seems not even a gold medal, but it's bronze. 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:53.320 But it's important. Why it's important. I mean, this is 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:56.520 the first, it could be the first medal in gymnastics 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:59.960 for Romania in twenty years. This is a proud power 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:05.199 house historically in gymnastics. But the Eric Kinnard, who is 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:07.960 an American high jumper, a long jumper, I think he 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:11.119 is a high high jumper, high jumper. He got a 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:15.199 medal yesterday, excuse me, on Friday, got a gold medal. 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:19.240 It was an upgrade from the silver medal he got 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:22.439 in twenty twelve. So we're talking twelve years ago. This 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:26.560 dude got a silver at the Olympics in London. What 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:30.160 turns out the person who finished with gold ends up 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:33.960 getting it stripped because of doping, because of drug testing. 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:39.080 So he gets his gold medal now, and he made 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:42.760 the point that he probably lost out on millions of 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:47.760 dollars silver to gold. Silver's great and people are proud, 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:51.000 but there's nothing like walking back into your country with 0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:54.399 a gold medal around your neck. And so when you 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:58.280 think about the young lady from Romania, it's more than 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:00.760 just I got third or I want a medal. This 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:03.760 is a matter of national pride and it's a matter 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:07.399 of her livelihood possibly moving forward. So That's why it 0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:09.480 matters to get this right and get to get it 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:12.200 right in the moment, because lives can be changed by 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:15.159 what the IOC does and doesn't do. 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:17.720 Oh, I mean, the difference between medaling and not is huge. 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:21.520 From sponsorships, you know, forget the wheaties box. But just 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:24.000 this is how these athletes make a living. They put 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:26.159 their heart and soul, this is their work, this is 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:28.119 their job, and it's not easy for them necessarily to 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:30.879 always get paid. But if you're a medalist, that's a 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:34.200 life changing experience financially where it allows you to keep 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:36.680 doing your sport and encourages other people. It encourages a 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:40.240 whole entire country, the young folks seeing someone who looks 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:45.280 like them do something that incredible. It has a massive 0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:48.280 riple effect, to your point, a massiveble effect, not just 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:49.920 for the athlete, for an entire nation. 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:54.480 So we shall see this. This isn't the Olympics over, 0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:58.639 but this ain't We still got a medal to be awarded. Apparently, 0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:01.639