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Speaker 1: Monday, August twelve, Olympic Games are officially over because we

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Speaker 1: still don't know who won bronze in women's floor exercise.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy.

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Speaker 3: It was exactly seven days ago that that floor exercise happened.

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Speaker 3: And the drama continues and tm USA is fighting back,

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Speaker 3: not quite ready to FedEx Jordan Chiles bronze medal back

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Speaker 3: to the IOC and says it has submitted video evidence

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Speaker 3: that irrefutably shows that the bronze belongs to Chiles.

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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody to this episode of Amy and TJ as

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Speaker 1: we continue our Olympics coverage, and this has become the story.

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Speaker 1: There have been a couple of stories the boxers, the

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Speaker 1: gender controversy, I think is one of the lasting stories Robes.

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Speaker 1: But now this story the Olympics is over, and this

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Speaker 1: story continues and doesn't necessarily look like it's going to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's remarkable and honestly it's I feel

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Speaker 3: like it's shameful at this point because this is not

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Speaker 3: TMUSA is fighting back Gymnastics TMUSA Gymnastics calling bs on

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Speaker 3: the court decision that said Jordan Chiles did not win

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Speaker 1: It seems weird to get you caught up because a

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Speaker 1: lot of you all and everybody seems to be following.

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Speaker 1: But the quick, very quick recap. Jordan Chiles placed fifth

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Speaker 1: in the floor exercise. She made an inquiry into her score.

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Speaker 1: The score was adjusted up, put her in thirst. She

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Speaker 1: got the bronze. Romania protested. A court ruled over the

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Speaker 1: weekend that Jordan did not win that bronze medal because

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Speaker 1: that inquiry came four seconds after the one minute deadline.

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Speaker 1: Get it, got it good? You should all be caught

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Speaker 1: up now. But again, a lot of you all have

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Speaker 1: been following it, that's right.

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Speaker 3: And so the court that made that ruling said, hey,

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Speaker 3: we're not going to get involved in the medals. That

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Speaker 3: is the International Olympic Committee's decision. And so the IOC

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Speaker 3: made a decision Sunday saying that Jordan Chiles needs to

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Speaker 3: to the Romanian gymnast who is now officially the third

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Speaker 3: saying that it had quote formally submitted a letter and

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Speaker 3: establishing that head coach the cil Landy's request to file

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Speaker 3: an inquiry was submitted forty seven seconds after publishing the score,

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Speaker 3: well within the one minute deadline required by the rule,

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Speaker 3: and in fact they say that she made another inquiry

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Speaker 1: Again, folks, we're saying they have I don't know how

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Speaker 1: you refute time stamped video evidence, but they're saying not

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Speaker 1: just one, but two. So they have an inquiry and

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Speaker 1: a backup inquiry. They say both took place before that

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Speaker 1: where it came from, citing confidentiality. So that is where

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Speaker 1: we are. I don't know what the rule is necessarily for.

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Speaker 1: I guess you can always appeal and fight back if

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Speaker 1: the court made a ruling already about the one minute

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Speaker 1: and four seconds. Where was their evidence? They didn't just

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Speaker 1: take Romania's word for it, I'm sure so they had.

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Speaker 1: There has to be something else out there that the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's so interesting because we were asking that

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Speaker 3: question yesterday. Where did this minute and four seconds come from?

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Speaker 3: Who was supposed to be timing it? There were omega

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Speaker 2: Basically, you have the time.

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Speaker 3: A coach or a gymnast or an athlete has the

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Speaker 3: as Childs was to perform, you have exactly one minute.

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Speaker 1: So this would be a non issue. If she went second, third, fourth, fifth,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you do this. If we're at

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Speaker 1: reconcile that seven a team minute difference? I cannot wait

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Speaker 1: then was Romaana, you're gonna come back and say something else?

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Speaker 1: Is not an end insight to it? Right now?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, if they can unequivocally, which they say,

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Speaker 3: they can, prove that those inquiries plural came well before

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Speaker 3: the minute was up, here's the deal. The judges said

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Speaker 3: the inquiry was correct. They acknowledged that they made a

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Speaker 2: So if it's.

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Speaker 3: Proven that the inquiry happened within that minute. It's it's

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Speaker 3: it's irrefutable that Jordan's score a Jordan Child's score should

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Speaker 1: My issue is that you can't have both can't be true.

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Speaker 1: You cannot have a proof that they submitted it in

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Speaker 1: You can't prove those two things cannot be true. Something's

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Speaker 2: You would think that they would have to it.

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Speaker 1: Couldn't just take Romania's word for it. They have some.

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Speaker 1: They got an answer for this, and you know it's

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to see this.

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Speaker 3: And also, you know, just a little deep dive I

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Speaker 3: what typically happens, and from what I've read, the judge

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Speaker 1: We read that the decision by the court. I don't

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Speaker 2: They didn't.

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Speaker 1: They didn't say based on something submitted, based on this

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Speaker 3: I know, And we wondered that yesterday and here we

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Speaker 3: just in terms of saying the headline that Chiles had

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Speaker 3: be reallocated to the Romanian gymnast I just.

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Speaker 2: Think that that is.

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Speaker 3: That is just so not in the spirit of the Olympics.

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Speaker 3: If Jordan Chiles had been accused of doping or cheating,

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Speaker 3: She did her routine, and then her coaches challenged the

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Speaker 2: To me, that's the end of story.

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Speaker 1: The story is the timing. I have no idea, I

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Speaker 1: really don't, But the story is the timing. If it

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Speaker 1: came in after fine, that sucks. Give the other young

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Speaker 1: don't know why. It's not that simple, but it's just

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Speaker 3: What do you think about giving them both the bronze

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Speaker 3: sweet That is the op This would be done exactly.

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Speaker 1: She could have done this days ago, exactly. We could

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And the Roumanians asked for that. They asked for

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Speaker 3: a shared bronze medal. They didn't ask for the bronze

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Speaker 2: They specifically asked.

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Speaker 3: For that, And so I just I'm curious why that

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Speaker 3: And the sad thing is, because of all this back

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Speaker 2: So not I mean, we've talked about.

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Speaker 3: How Jordan has been dealing with a lot of hateful

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Speaker 3: She said, Sabrina, that was the other Romanian gymnast who

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Speaker 3: This is my dream. So the athletes aren't fighting among themselves,

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Speaker 1: And to her credit, she did point some fingers back

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Speaker 1: the regulation. Athletes are not to be blamed and the

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Speaker 1: this edition of the Olympic Games Paris twenty twenty four

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Speaker 1: and the spirit of Olympism, as she put it, the

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Speaker 1: In Olympic history, it's all been about doping or cheating

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