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Speaker 1: My name is Jason Canceepsio, and welcome to x ray

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Speaker 1: Vision The Crooked Podcast, where where you're diving deep into

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Speaker 1: On the previously on we will be discussing She Hulk,

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Speaker 1: the second episode of the Fantastic Disney Plus series She Hulk.

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Speaker 1: House of the Dragon premiere and giving you our second

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Speaker 1: Is Rosie Knight. Rosie, how are you?

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Speaker 1: it first up. She Hulk Episode two delightful show continues

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Speaker 1: to be delightful. This is super Human Law, written by

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Speaker 1: Jessica Gow, directed by kat koiro Let's dive into it

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Speaker 1: so Jennifer's courtroom debut of her Hulk powers. It's all

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Speaker 1: over the news. We learned that Titanya is a super

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Speaker 1: kind of your sheeholk. Yeah, that's it, a she Hulk.

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Speaker 1: Later that night, Ninky and Jen, who is in she

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Speaker 1: and grill to wild chants of she Hulk from the patrons.

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Speaker 1: Jen does not like the shee Hulk name. It is

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Speaker 1: Everyone's name is pretty Batman like pretty silly when you

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Speaker 1: Jen doesn't like the name, but she's gonna have to

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Speaker 1: deal with it. Dennis, fucking Dennis comes over and this guy,

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Speaker 1: That is actually a fair argument, and a mistrial was declared.

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Speaker 1: And it's all mess. Jen interviews for numerous job positions,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, after many failed job interviews, we see Jen Nicky

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Speaker 1: It'd be interesting to know where, like where where did

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks da Atly, Rosie. Really, just I mean, this

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Speaker 4: Whereas this is like, it's Jennifer Walters, she is shee Hulk.

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Speaker 1: Also, Bruce's identity was a secret and a national security secret,

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Speaker 4: But something that I think you're so spot on about

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Speaker 4: Everyone in the world knows Jennifer Walters is she Hulk now?

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Speaker 1: But don't worry about that, Jen, You're a great lawyer

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Speaker 4: you have us agent. It seems like that is probably

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Speaker 4: on the table.

439
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 1: I agree. Jen is like, hey, listen, the pearl Board

440
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 1: is going to want to know if you feel remorse,

441
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: and I mean says, yeah, check out these haikus. I've

442
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 1: been writing from the bottom of my heart my tiny

443
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 1: ears here. And then she's like, no, no, no, no,

444
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 1: I love I love that as a reference to Abomination's

445
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: character design, and you know, very pointing.

446
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 2: Is wonderful.

447
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: He then says, listen, I just want to live my life.

448
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: I want to live in peace on a large piece

449
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 1: of property purchase for me by my seven soulmates again,

450
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: leading us to wonder who are these seven people? Jen

451
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 1: calls Bruce for advice, but it's not really vice. She's

452
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 1: basically telling him, Hey, I'm going to take this job,

453
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 1: and I hope you're okay with it. I'm defending Blonski

454
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,120
Speaker 1: and Bruce was like, yeah, yeah, Blonzie actually reached out.

455
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 1: He sent me a letter with a very nice haiku

456
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 1: and it's yeah, he seems like he's in a good

457
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: place and I think it's fine. Jen's like, are you

458
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 1: coming to visit La anytime soon? Is like, and Bruce

459
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 1: is like, no, you think I'm in my lab slash

460
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,120
Speaker 1: office right now, but actually I'm on a spaceship bedd

461
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: into the car.

462
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 4: I've got some things sort no, no, no, Jack Out

463
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 4: did confirm we were right. Bruce is going to Scar

464
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 4: So he's going to We are right.

465
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 1: We were right.

466
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 4: He's in a Sacarian you know, class A cruiser I

467
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 4: think it is or something, and he's he's off to Secar.

468
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 4: He's got some things to deal with and Jessica Gaut

469
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 4: confirmed that is correct. So yeah, I think, like we

470
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 4: said last week, go back and listen to the last

471
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Speaker 4: week's episode because he's probably.

472
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: Going to see his son, and let me just say, man,

473
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 1: the cell service on on I don't know if it's

474
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:37,719
Speaker 1: over Wi Fi.

475
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 2: How that works on the spaceship.

476
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 4: Amazing fine until he went into the Kayper drive and

477
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 4: then she's like okay, but I was like, how are

478
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 4: you just chilling in space talking on the phone. That's

479
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,439
Speaker 4: technology Tony gave him.

480
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 1: That Definitely, very very very very great technology.

481
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 4: Uh.

482
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 2: Jen tells Holloway, Listen, I'm gonna take the case.

483
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: I got this shit. Sona is in the bag.

484
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 2: Baby, I know what I'm gonna do.

485
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: No problem Blonsky getting parole. Holloway is like, that's fucking great.

486
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: By the way, I turn on the news. On the news,

487
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: they are reporting that video as leaked of Emil Blonsky

488
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 1: in abomination form fighting Wong in some underground fight club.

489
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 1: Where have we seen this one before? That means a

490
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: meal has escaped and this is clearly not good for

491
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: Emil's case and Jennifer's like shit, singer. We see Jen

492
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 1: putting her bron to work around the family home. What

493
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: a delightful episode much and I love I love that

494
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 1: they tied in the events of shang Chi into this,

495
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: so I wonder is a Meal does mean here's the question.

496
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 1: It felt like in that in the shang Chi scene,

497
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: the fights fight club scene.

498
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 2: That Wong and a Meal have done this before.

499
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: This is it didn't feel like a first time thing, right,

500
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 1: So okay, video of that is now leaked.

501
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 2: Are we to who are we too?

502
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: Believe that Emil has been going back and forth like

503
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: Wong gets him out and then puts him back. That's

504
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: my guess.

505
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 4: My guess is that Wong using this sling ering. You know,

506
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 4: he's it's very easy for him to to transport somebody

507
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 4: out of like high security prison. But the big question

508
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 4: is why is Emial back in the prison? You know,

509
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 4: Like that's kind of I think the big question. And

510
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 4: also there's just so much fun stuff here, Like I

511
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 4: really never expected them to to go this hard back

512
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 4: into The Incredible Hult because it's like it is the

513
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 4: most financially like, least successful MCU movie. It's not like

514
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 4: totally beloved though. There is a lot of really fun

515
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 4: stuff in there, and tim Off is great, but I'm

516
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 4: really happy to see it and today and in this episode,

517
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 4: we also get one of the first real references to

518
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 4: that movie in a very good Fourth War. Shehoc way

519
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 4: where when she's talking to Bruce, she's like, are you sure,

520
00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 4: and he's like, yeah, this was you know this that

521
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 4: fight was such a long time ago, like I'm a

522
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 4: completely different person now, and then he says literally and

523
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 4: Jen looks at the Cameron goes ha, and it's like yeah,

524
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 4: because that was Edward Norton, you know, it was Mark Ruffalo.

525
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 4: I like that we're at that level now, like fifteen

526
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 4: years in. That is how it should be. We should

527
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 4: be able to joke about this stuff and have fun

528
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 4: with it and and kind of poke fun at that

529
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 4: the franchise nature of it all where these things kind.

530
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: Of come and go, And Yeah, I absolutely love that

531
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: you can tell that there's some real comics nerves in

532
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: the production of this and because like we've said it

533
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: a million times and I've said it numerous times on

534
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: this pod, Like that's what I love about the about

535
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: ongoing storytelling, specifically in comics, and the way just kind

536
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: of rolls on and on and on, and how when

537
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: you kind of like step back from the fictional lore

538
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: and look at everything that happened, it's fun and it's ridiculous.

539
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: And when you plug that back in and like acknowledge

540
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: it within the story. It just just it's it adds

541
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: some spice to it. It makes it fun and exciting,

542
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: and it's a nice wink to the fans who have

543
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: been paying actually, and.

544
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 4: I think like you can really tell. I mean, I

545
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 4: sends you a message when I watched the episode and

546
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 4: was just like, dude, this is like so good and

547
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 4: you can just tell that these guys have so much fun.

548
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 4: They know the comic book law, like there's a there's

549
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 4: a blink and you miss it moment in this episode

550
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 4: and I'm going for the I'm going for the xtra

551
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 4: vision was right right, because this just put to me

552
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 4: proves like these are one division. To me, is is

553
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 4: the bar to beat for weird comic book references. But

554
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 4: she is coming up on it even after two episodes.

555
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 4: So when Jen is walking through the GLK and H offices,

556
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 4: which a cheer is the Holloway, you see a guy

557
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 4: walking out of an office that is just full of

558
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 4: comic books and you're like, wait, why are their comic books?

559
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: Haha?

560
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 4: If you have read the comics, the one comics, if

561
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 4: you're weirdo and you know this stuff really deeply in

562
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 4: the Marvel comics. There is a precedent in Sheehok and

563
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 4: other comics for them using comic books as evidence in

564
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 4: court trials, and that is the only reason they would

565
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 4: be there. There is some weird so I want to know, right,

566
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 4: So of course there is just hours just spent just

567
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 4: going through and pausing them and trying to understand which

568
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 4: comics they are.

569
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: And I have a list, but like, yeah, let's.

570
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 2: Amazing, so weird.

571
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 4: So I really want to talk to Jessica or zig

572
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 4: Got anyone and be like, look, were these just comics

573
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 4: you had, like laying around the office or do they

574
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 4: mean something? Because like so they have like war Machine

575
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 4: nineteen from nineteen ninety five, while first appearance a needle

576
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 4: on Warware, which is like this crazy alien suit. Like

577
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 4: there's iron Man to ninety, which, if you're a big

578
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 4: theory guy, that is the return of Iron Man after

579
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 4: Rody and everyone else thinks he's dead, So like, are

580
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 4: they telling us something? Probably not, but it's very fun,

581
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,719
Speaker 4: Like they we have a ton of armor wards tangent

582
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 4: or stuff like Iron Man three volume three from nineteen

583
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 4: ninety eight. There's a Modoc and Emil Blonski issue. There

584
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 4: is a Return of Captain America issue, which is the

585
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 4: Avengers four from nineteen sixty four. There's like a Thor

586
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 4: and Thanos cover which is an old Captain Marvel book.

587
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 4: There's like what If, which is what if Captain America

588
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 4: had led an army of super Soldiers, And there's like

589
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 4: Rise of the Black Panther, which has like a crazy

590
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 4: Adam's variant cover, and there's even a foil cover, which

591
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 4: I feel like for.

592
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: The nineties kids, that's like, you know, you gotta have

593
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: the foil cover.

594
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 4: And I'm sure that those were just like funny issues

595
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 4: that were hanging around and they're very blurry, but like

596
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 4: that level of detail and hinting at something like maybe

597
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 4: we won't see it in this season. You know, maybe

598
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 4: it won't be this season, but maybe it will be

599
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 4: next season, or maybe it will be somewhere else in

600
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 4: the MCU. That level of teasing something so cool from

601
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 4: the comics, especially when that would be a big deal

602
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 4: because really, like we said, you know, Miss Marvel, one

603
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 4: of the things we loved about it was the cartooning aspect.

604
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 4: But we haven't seen apart from like Captain America, where

605
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 4: we would see like the USO style propaganda comics that

606
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 4: we use. We haven't seen like real Marvel comics in

607
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 4: the MCU very much like that. We've never seen a

608
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 4: wall of Marvel comics like that, all different ones. So

609
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 4: I'm very interested to know. I mean, fifteen years in

610
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 4: it would make sense, especially post a blip that somebody

611
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 4: started making comics about these these superheroes who are out

612
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 4: in the world saving stuff. I just want to know

613
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 4: how that's built in and would it mean, like, could

614
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 4: we see Sheehot creators on the stand in this show

615
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 4: talking about the comics they made.

616
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 2: I believe it.

617
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 4: I believe we could see that. I think that's like

618
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 4: so meta and so much in the vein of what

619
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 4: they're doing. But it's just it's such a fun show.

620
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: It's those easters are fantastic. I so in the Dan

621
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: Slot run. One of the cases that Jen takes on

622
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: is the case of Samuel Stearns, the Leader, and I've

623
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: we've talked about it previously, but you gotta feel like

624
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:10,479
Speaker 1: he's around. And of course it was Sterns who injected

625
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: a meal with the gamma blood after seeing him, you know,

626
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: after taking one look at a meal and saying you've

627
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: got it. You got a lot of a little something

628
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: in you as well, right, and then injectson he becomes abomination.

629
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: I wonder if it's not him writing the letters, if

630
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: he's not trying to put together like a Gamma team

631
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: or just reunite with he with like he wants.

632
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 4: I feel like, also, like we never really the Leader

633
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 4: is like a big deal in the comics, and it

634
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 4: feels like obviously that was teased to lead to something.

635
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 4: And like you said, one of the joys of these

636
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 4: things is like not everything gets picked up the next

637
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 4: issue or the next movie, but you know, fifteen years later,

638
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 4: somebody can pick it up and be like, oh, the Leader,

639
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 4: we haven't sent him for a while. So I think

640
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 4: you're right. Maybe, you know, I think with this the

641
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 4: thing about Bruce going to Sakara and everyone getting really

642
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 4: excited about that, that obviously speaks to a possible idea

643
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 4: of like World War Hulk or something like that. So,

644
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 4: but Bruce is already a good guy on ath. I

645
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 4: can't imagine a scenario where he's gonna lose control again.

646
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 4: So what if their version of World War Hulk is

647
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 4: kind of more like the Incredible Hulks arc where they

648
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 4: put together like a Hulk team and maybe they have

649
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 4: to come together with that team because the Leader has

650
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 4: put together a team of like Gamma anti heroes will say,

651
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 4: let's not call them villains, but I love that idea,

652
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 4: and I feel like the Leader feels like by the

653
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 4: end of this season, we'll we'll have seen or heard

654
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 4: from him.

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Speaker 1: And we should also add like part of the reason

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Speaker 1: why we haven't seen a Hulk movie is because of

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Speaker 1: the kind of naughty ownership of the Hulk rights, which

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Speaker 1: are owned by Universal and Marvel is not able to

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Speaker 1: use the Hulk.

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Speaker 4: My old movie.

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Speaker 1: It's it's got to be a multi character film like

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Speaker 1: an Avengers film. She hulks is a great for Ragnarok.

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Speaker 1: The introduction of she Hulk and more Gamma powered character

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Speaker 1: is a great way to make a Hulk movie without making.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, because that's actually such a good point because

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Speaker 4: Marvel obviously owns the rights to Sheahawk right currently, they're

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Speaker 4: not licensed away. That's why they can make the show.

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Speaker 4: So if they make a will, if they have a

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Speaker 4: Hulk themselves, then they could surely make a World War

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Speaker 4: Hulk movie or a Planet Hulk movie. Though Ragnarok because basically,

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Speaker 4: but with all the Hulks, like you say, it's she Hulks,

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Speaker 4: it's you know, World War she Hulk or whatever, but

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Speaker 4: you just call it Hulk. She Hulk has also had

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Speaker 4: her own comic in the last few years where she

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Speaker 4: was just has had the Hulk mantle, so that would

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Speaker 4: have precedent as well. I think that is very smart. Jason, Uh,

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Speaker 4: this is.

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Speaker 1: Such a fun show. Can't wait to continue talking about it.

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Speaker 2: Up next, How's the Dragon Time?

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Speaker 1: Every week Take connects you with the latest climate news,

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Speaker 1: journalists and storytellers trying to make sense of this complex issue.

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Speaker 1: favorite film. Listen to new episodes of Hot Take every

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Speaker 1: Friday wherever you get your podcasts. We are stepping out

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Speaker 1: of the airlock and back into West Roast to discuss

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Speaker 1: the premiere of House of the Dragon. Rosy Are you ready?

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Speaker 2: I Am ready? We open.

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Speaker 1: In the year one hundred slash one oh one ac

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Speaker 1: old King Jaharis looking super super old and gray. He

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Speaker 1: has gone like oh for multiple on kids on airs.

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00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: He has missed every shot on trying to get an air.

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Speaker 1: And so what's happened? The Realm has called a huge meeting.

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Speaker 1: This is the Great Council of the legendary Great Council

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Speaker 1: of one oh one, which took place at the ruined

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Speaker 1: castle of Heronhall, the biggest castle in all of Westros,

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Speaker 1: and there the new ruler, the person who would succeed

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Speaker 1: King Jaharis, was chosen, and.

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Speaker 2: Listen it was.

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Speaker 1: It was not that close, but we had two really

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Speaker 1: good claims, Princess Rainey's and her younger cousin, Prince Vesaras,

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Speaker 1: and the realm went with Visaris because of misogyny, basically.

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Speaker 2: Right, I mean, that's likely.

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Speaker 4: It was the she is the helldest child, she was

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Speaker 4: the air, but they didn't want to set a precedent

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Speaker 4: for what will many times in this episode be called

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Speaker 4: a girl.

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Speaker 3: Ah.

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Speaker 4: So it's a misogyny.

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Speaker 1: And it's an interesting thing because listen, when Aggon the

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Speaker 1: Conquer came over from Dragonstone to conquer West Ros, he

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Speaker 1: was riding Blarry in the back of the Black Dread,

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Speaker 1: but there were two other dragons, and those were ridden

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Speaker 1: by his sister slash Queens Rainie and Vissenya. So sixty

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Speaker 1: six point sixty six percent of the dragon armada was

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Speaker 1: piloted by women, yet west Ros does not respect the

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Speaker 1: right of women's rule anyway. We flash forward. A golden

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Speaker 1: dragon streaks across the waters of Blackwater Bay at kings Landing,

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Speaker 1: the capital city. This is the dragon Cyrax, piloted by

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Speaker 1: Princess Raniera. She climbs off. She's greeted by Harold Westerling

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Speaker 1: of the King's Guard. He's like, oh my god, thank

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00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: god you came back, because if you didn't, I'm legitimately dead.

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Speaker 1: Like it's my fault and I'm gone on a spike,

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Speaker 1: head on a spike. I'm finished. Also very happy to

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Speaker 1: see her her friend, Alison high Tower, and they're they're wonderful,

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Speaker 1: wonderful friends.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure that will last forever and ever, and

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Speaker 1: they will be great friends forever and ever till time.

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Speaker 4: Maybe maybe they'll be gal friends and that will be

734
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Speaker 4: no conflict and.

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Speaker 1: They'll live happily. Ranier and Allison walk arm in arm

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Speaker 1: through the Red Keep and we see this wonderful tableau

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Speaker 1: of all the courtiers and the attendants and all the

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Speaker 1: people that populate the seat of government here in westros

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Speaker 1: Rner goes to see her mom, Queen Emma, who is

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Speaker 1: super duper, super duper pregnant with the long hoped for

741
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Speaker 1: air to the iron throne to King vassaras Uh and

742
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Speaker 1: they have the little conversation and Queen Emma's like, listen,

743
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Speaker 1: do we have wombs? A child bed is our battlefield

744
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Speaker 1: and this is what we're gonna have to deal with.

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Speaker 1: This is this is the the prison cell that we

746
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Speaker 1: are in. This is our This is the only responsibility

747
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Speaker 1: we were given is just pumping them out, pumping them out,

748
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Speaker 1: pumping them out. Raniera doesn't doesn't love that. And also

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Speaker 1: Raniera stinks of dragon, which her mom is like, you

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Speaker 1: fucking you smell, Go take a shower. Raniera goes to

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Speaker 1: the Small Council chamber where she has a job as

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Speaker 1: the cup bearer, and she's late. King Vassaras is in

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Speaker 1: the middle of telling a joke and we get in

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Speaker 1: this really wonderful scene. We get a feeling of what

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Speaker 1: all of the different members of the Small Council do. Right,

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Speaker 1: there's corless Larin. He's the master of ships, and guess

757
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Speaker 1: what he cares about ship stuff. He's like the Triarchy,

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Speaker 1: the Triarchy, which is a a a amalgamation of three

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Speaker 1: different cities from Esos. They are pushing into the stepstones.

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Speaker 1: The leader of this triarchy fleet is this guy Kragos Drejr.

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Speaker 1: The crab Feeder. And as you know, as one would

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Speaker 1: expect being the master of ships, Corless is very, very

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Speaker 1: focused on anything that has to do with ships. King

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Speaker 1: Vissaras and Auto High Tower aren't like super locked into

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Speaker 1: the pirate issue. King Vissars is like, well, hold on,

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Speaker 1: if if the crab Feeder is going to the stepstones

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Speaker 1: and clearing out the pirates, and that's good, right, And

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Speaker 1: Otto's like, yeah, what the king said, isn't that good?

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Speaker 1: And then Rania enters. She's still stinking, she has not

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Speaker 1: taken a shower, and King Vissars Is like sniffs her

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Speaker 1: and is like, you smell like you smell like dragon,

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Speaker 1: which is embarrassing if that happens in front of like

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Speaker 1: the most powerful people in the realm, right, if your.

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Speaker 4: Dad is like you smell it is I also think

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00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 4: it's like a really interesting bit of the world building.

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Speaker 4: We get here, I like in Game of Thrones, dragons

777
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Speaker 4: with this mythical thing that hadn't been around here. Everyone's like,

778
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 4: this is your past and it smells bad like a dog.

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00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 4: Please leave us alone. They are taking the dragons for granted,

780
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Speaker 4: at least the people who don't fly with them.

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Speaker 1: We get some more conversation and again learning what each

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Speaker 1: member of the small Council does. Lord Lyman Beesbury, the

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Speaker 1: Master of Coin. He pipes up regarding the King Vssaras's

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Speaker 1: brother Prince Damon's massive expenditures and re equipping and retraining

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Speaker 1: the City Watch ACAB in this case absolutely pertains to

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Speaker 1: Damon Targarian. Damon's expenses regarding the City Watch are mainly

787
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Speaker 1: like a different, a more upgraded training regime that's basically

788
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Speaker 1: making them more bloodthirsty, and the fancy gold cloaks which

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Speaker 1: would become the symbol of the City Watch in later years.

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Speaker 1: Prince Damon, as usual, is not here. He's not here,

791
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: and no one can ask him where the money went

792
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: because he's not here. Visaras is like, hey, guys, I

793
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Speaker 1: understand my brother's spending a lot of money on the

794
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 1: City Watch stuff, but like it's actually great because it

795
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: keeps him busy, and we all understand what a fucking

796
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: wild card that guy is. Right, Lord Corlis goes back

797
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: to the crab Feeder. He's like, hey, not you know,

798
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: like trade in the Narrow Sea is gonna be impacted

799
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: by this. Also, you know, kind of unspoken is like

800
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: my house on Driftmark is right there, like can we.

801
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 2: Do something an other?

802
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 1: Another interesting and kind of like unspoken bit of context

803
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: to all of this is so the Stepstones are like

804
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: are like, uh, this series of islands that were once

805
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 1: like an unbroken land bridge between Westros and Esos. So

806
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: it's kind of like the boot of Italy, like if

807
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: it extended across to you know, Albania. So that got broken,

808
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 1: and so they're called the Stepstones now. But Dorn during

809
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: this time approximately one oh nine or whatever one ten,

810
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: is not part of the kingdom.

811
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Speaker 2: It is an independent region.

812
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: The egg On the Conqueror was not able to conquer

813
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 1: Dorn in in fact, he lost one of his sisters

814
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: in the war against Dorn. So it's actually like kind

815
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: of alarming that the triarchy is pushing into the Stepstones.

816
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: And then if Dorn decides to cooperate and link up

817
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Speaker 1: with them. All of a sudden, You've got this big,

818
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: big problem right here on the continent. So that's Corliss

819
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: right to be concerned about this auto high tower shuts

820
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 1: all this talk down about the city watch and stuff,

821
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Speaker 1: and he turns the conversation to the Heir's tournament. And

822
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Speaker 1: the King loves this subject because he's got a great

823
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: feeling that this time, Rosie, this time, I know that

824
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of pregnancies, a lot of miscarriages

825
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Speaker 1: from Queen Emma. They only have the one surviving child,

826
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Speaker 1: Princess Ranira. But man, this time, this time, he's got

827
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Speaker 1: a great feeling about it. And not only does he

828
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: have a great feeling about it, they booked the date

829
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: in the in the sports arena, and everybody's coming, counting

830
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: the chickens way way before they're hatched. We are put

831
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Speaker 1: it on the books, write it down. This child is

832
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: being born and it's gonna happen this day and have

833
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Speaker 1: a great miss and it's great.

834
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I also think like you are bringing up this

835
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 4: kind of great a context. Part of the reason why

836
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 4: he's missing it is he obsessed with the idea of

837
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Speaker 4: having an air and having a male at he needs

838
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 4: the stability, and it means that many things happen in

839
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Speaker 4: this episode because of that, they are clearly gonna, you know,

840
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Speaker 4: create massive terrible waves in the future.

841
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 1: Grandmaster Mellows is like, hey, listen, we did our best

842
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: on the prediction of the delivery date and this feels

843
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: like it is right, but don't quote me on it.

844
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 3: Uh.

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00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: Beesberry, master of coin again, says hey, also, this is

846
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Speaker 1: really expensive. Maybe we put Bush until after.

847
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 3: The child is born.

848
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Speaker 2: What do you think about that?

849
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: Lord Strong, Lionel Strong is the master of Laws, and

850
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: he's like, hey, listen, everybody's already booked their flights. Okay,

851
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: we can't change it now because.

852
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 2: Everybody's on their way here.

853
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: Like you know, again, Westress is very, very large, and

854
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: so people would have been on the road. Certainly if

855
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: they're coming from the north, they probably gone on the

856
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: road like a month and a half to two months prior.

857
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Speaker 1: So people are in motion and you can't just call

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Speaker 1: it off now.

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00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:32,959
Speaker 2: And what could go wrong?

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Speaker 1: Right, Like, we eat nothing. It's gonna be a boy

861
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: number one and it's gonna be fine.

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00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, pregnancy notoriously safe. And then you know, hundreds of

863
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 4: years ago in a fantastical country. Nothing could go wrong,

864
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Speaker 4: and you can definitely tell the gender of a baby.

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Speaker 4: It's gonna be fine.

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Speaker 1: Princess Rania is informed by her personal kings guard bodyguard

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Speaker 1: Harold Westerling. Prince Damon, the King's brother, has returned to

868
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: the capitol and nobody knows he's there except for Harold

869
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: Westerling and now Princess Raniera. And this gives you an

870
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: idea of how elusive Damon is, how how scary that

871
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 1: is too for his foes. He's able, He's one of

872
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: the most famous people in this world. He's a targeting

873
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: and he rides a dragon, and his feats are spoken of,

874
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: and he is despite all that, he is able to

875
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:33,760
Speaker 1: sneak into the castle without anybody seeing him. This gives

876
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: you an idea of what a threat Damon Targarine is.

877
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: So Ranera goes to sam He's in the throne room

878
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,720
Speaker 1: and he's sitting on the throne. Harold Westerling is, holy shit,

879
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: the fuck this is, you know, implicitly feels like a

880
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: threat unless you know Damon, who is just kind of

881
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: like a jokey, troll kind of guy. He gives Rania

882
00:47:56,200 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: a necklace. It's a Valerian Steele, who that he fired,

883
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: who knows where in his travels, you know, vlaring steel.

884
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: They're not making more of it, but it can be

885
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: reforged into different forms, so one would assume that this

886
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,240
Speaker 1: is a very very old necklace.

887
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, and she she is very taken by it because

888
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 4: she's like like dark sister, Like she knows what Valerian

889
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 4: Steel is. And this is like a really interesting moment because,

890
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 4: like you said, Damon's got this like shit post personality,

891
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 4: but he's obviously a threat, but he loves his family.

892
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 4: It's like this really interesting complex nature of this character

893
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 4: that's just summed up in like one scene, disrespects the

894
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 4: throne but gives his niece this like incredibly rare, specifically

895
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 4: made piece of jewelry that stands for the legacy of

896
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 4: their family and where they come from.

897
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: It's quite clear that whatever Damon's issues with other people,

898
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 1: he really loves he clearly has a very special bond

899
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: with his niece. Later, Rania and Allison are hanging out

900
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: in the gods Wood. They're doing homework kind of. Allison

901
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: is trying to get Raniera to do her homework, which

902
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: is a lesson about Nimia one of the most legendary figures,

903
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,760
Speaker 1: certainly in Dornish history and in the history of Westro's

904
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: one of the one of the most well known female

905
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: heroes in the In the lore of Westros, Rania doesn't

906
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:34,919
Speaker 1: really want to do stuff, and Alison is she thinks

907
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: she's that Rania is worried about being overshadowed by her

908
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: brother that is about to be born, but that's not

909
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: really true. Rania meanwhile understands that her father really wants

910
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: this because she just never, ever, ever, he never stops

911
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: talking about. All he does is talk about the sun,

912
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,879
Speaker 1: the sun, the sun, the sun. And then to give

913
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: you an idea of what a sharp customer Ranier is,

914
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,959
Speaker 1: she then immediately reels off the entire history of Nimeria's

915
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: journey to Dorn like it was, you know, written on

916
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: the back of her dragon. She just knows it.

917
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 4: I love this scene so much. There's like so much

918
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 4: innate chemistry, and both the actors did say, like the

919
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 4: vibes of them maybe being more than friends or having

920
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 4: that kind of sapphoic like coming of age relationship is intentional,

921
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 4: and there's so much closeness and it's so intrinsically done.

922
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 4: Just by positioning, and you learn so much about them,

923
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 4: and by the end of the episode you just know

924
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 4: where it's going to go, and it's it's heartbreaking.

925
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they're you know, it's it's already such a

926
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: fucked up world where women in particular are burdened with

927
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 1: all types of dangers that are just inherent in this society.

928
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: But in this moment, they are just two great friends. Yeah,

929
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: they're just two.

930
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 4: Kids lays and around and fucking with each other like no,

931
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 4: I don't wanna, I don't wanna do it, Like you're

932
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 4: gonna get in trouble because you're not teaching me. Oh,

933
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 4: actually I know this off by heart. This is it's

934
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 4: a very aria moment the Nhiberius history, like knowing it

935
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 4: off by heart. There's there's so many great little moments

936
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 4: we get to see as callbacks.

937
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,439
Speaker 1: Here in the King's chambers, we learned that the iron

938
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: throne is actually taking a toll on the King physically,

939
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: a cut from one of the many blades has become infected,

940
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 1: and Grand Master Mellows is like, you know, we can

941
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: cauterize it. I've sent some samples to the old town

942
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 1: to see what they can come up with Meanwhile, Otto

943
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:37,439
Speaker 1: High Tower, who is very very concerned about any kind

944
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: of hint of weakness, right, any kind of suggestion that

945
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,280
Speaker 1: people could latch onto that the king is weak, wants

946
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 1: to make sure that this is not widely known. Now

947
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: should add this is it's it's an interesting irony. Right.

948
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: You're sitting on a chair made of blades, and if

949
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: you get cut by them, people will absolutely take that

950
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: as a sign.

951
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 4: That you're not supposed to sit on it.

952
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: You're not supposed to sit on it. And we should

953
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 1: add we mentioned magor Or earlier. Magor the cruel the

954
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:14,240
Speaker 1: third king of Westros. He died literally on the throne,

955
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: stabbed multiple times by the blades through his body. So

956
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: you can get cut. You can get cut by that.

957
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 4: And it feels like it's going to become bigger because

958
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 4: there's a mystery over why it won't heal. Is it like,

959
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 4: what's happening to it? What's the reaction? It feels like

960
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 4: viscis as well. I think you learn a lot about

961
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 4: him because he's like, this is nothing. It's just a

962
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 4: cop you know, 'tis but a wound. And that follows

963
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 4: into the way that he treats Emma when it comes

964
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 4: to her fears about the pregnancy, everything's.

965
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 2: Fine, absolutely.

966
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: Visas goes to see Queen Emma, who is in her bath.

967
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: Emma in this scene, the Emma's misery at at this

968
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: being at distate age of pregnancy really contrasts sharply with

969
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:10,280
Speaker 1: Visa's almost like irrational joy. He could not be happier

970
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: about the fact that he is gonna have a son.

971
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: He is absolutely sure. Emma tells Visas that you know,

972
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 1: Rania is already predicting that it's gonna be a girl

973
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: who she is calling Visenya, which is very notable. So

974
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:30,280
Speaker 1: Visas then says, you know, this family already has its Visenya.

975
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: So Visenya was one of the sister queens of King Agon.

976
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: She was the more like, warlike and fearsome one of

977
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: the sisters, and her child was Magor aka King Megor

978
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: the cruel. So to say this family already has its

979
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 1: Visenya is clearly a reference to Damon and is a

980
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 1: kind of of It's a window into how people look

981
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: at Damon and how his how his own blood, how

982
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: how the king looks at Damon as a a chaotic

983
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: and uh and unstable threat to the realm, like a

984
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 1: danger that we don't want too close to power, basically,

985
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 1: even though he very clearly loves his brother. Visaras then

986
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: tells his wife about this dream he had, uh their

987
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: son was born wearing a crown, the crown of eggon

988
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: the conqueror, and then he and then you know he heard, uh,

989
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: the the sounds of battle and roaring dragons, and this

990
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: dream was like as real as a memory. And Emma

991
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: is like, listen, that's great, but I'm not doing this again.

992
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't do it. And and I think

993
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: one of the most like I really this got me

994
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: when she says an incredible performance right here Sean Brook,

995
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: where Queen Emma says she basically apologizes yeah for like

996
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: never having managed to produce an air to this point,

997
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: and it's like, what, it's really really sad that she

998
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: feels like this is something she should apologize for in

999
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:19,320
Speaker 1: this moment.

1000
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 4: Yeah. The foreshadowing they do of her journey in this

1001
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 4: episode from that beginning where she says, you know, the

1002
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 4: birthing bed is our battlefield to this where she's like

1003
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 4: coming to terms with not producing an air and apologizing

1004
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,760
Speaker 4: for it, but also has this last bit of hope,

1005
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 4: but is also taking agency and saying I'm not going

1006
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 4: to do this again. It's going to destroy me. It's

1007
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 4: very smart writing that makes what we see lair even

1008
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 4: more heartbreaking.

1009
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: That night, Damon addresses his brand new upgraded city watched

1010
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: they've got those beautiful gold cloaks on. He gives this stirring,

1011
00:55:56,560 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 1: almost like football types, about my brother's city has fallen

1012
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: into a squalor and saying that they're like hounds. They

1013
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,439
Speaker 1: have been trained and now they are ready to take

1014
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: the city back. And then he lets them loose and

1015
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: what follows is just an orgy of dismemberments and castrations

1016
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:23,439
Speaker 1: and beddings that take place right in the city streets. Yeah,

1017
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: and it is.

1018
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 2: It's like a rough stuff.

1019
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 4: It's like an episode worth of like Battle of the

1020
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 4: Bastard's level violence in like five minutes and it is

1021
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:41,439
Speaker 4: just like absolutely brutal. This is also very I find

1022
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 4: this very interesting because we have that moment in the

1023
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 4: throne room that feels so intimate and so authentic and

1024
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 4: real and true to who he is. And then they

1025
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 4: just pull the rug out and they're like, but he's

1026
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 4: this guy too, Like he's just he's doing this for

1027
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 4: no reason. There's no there's never a reason for it.

1028
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 4: But in the in the political machinations of Game of Thrones,

1029
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 4: there's not like a crime that has been committed or

1030
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 4: something terrible that has been done to his family. This

1031
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 4: is something he is doing to create fea so that

1032
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 4: he can have power over the people.

1033
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell you what I think. I don't even

1034
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 1: think it's power, although obviously like he enjoys wielding his power.

1035
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: I think at the at the very core of it,

1036
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: he is like a younger sibling who just wants to

1037
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: be noticed by the old tention, just like, look at me,

1038
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: look at what I'm doing. Look at what a good

1039
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: job I'm doing. I'm doing this, I'm doing that.

1040
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 2: Pay attention to me.

1041
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: But my brother, the king, and this is what he's doing,

1042
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: and he's doing it by just like unhind capecitating, unhinge man,

1043
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: committing various murders. The next day, the Small Council and

1044
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: Auto High Tower in particular are scandalized by this violence.

1045
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: Prince Damon is in attendance for once, because, of course,

1046
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: he wants to soak in the accolades from his brother

1047
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: keignsaras he's got blood dried, like on his armor, on

1048
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: his face.

1049
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 4: He's looking very smog he's looking very happy with himself.

1050
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,959
Speaker 1: Otto practically begs the king to reign in his brother

1051
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: and Damon. It's it's always, it's so jarring when Damon

1052
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: all of a sudden does voice of reason, and he

1053
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: does it here. He points out quite reasonably, like, hey,

1054
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: the realms most important families are coming here for the

1055
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: name day tournament, the airs tournament. Shouldn't the streets be

1056
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: safe when they arrive?

1057
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 2: Huh?

1058
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: And King of Sara's is like, actually, that's a good point. Otto,

1059
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: of course, and the rest of the small council are

1060
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: it's very concerning that the king's brother has a personal

1061
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: army that is loyal only to him.

1062
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 2: That is a problem.

1063
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: And in fact Otto is like, shouldn't you go home

1064
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: to your wife? Rho Royce in the veil, like why

1065
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: don't you go home? You know where's your wife at?

1066
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: And Damon makes a bunch of I need do, but please, you.

1067
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 2: Want me to go back to the veil with the sheep,

1068
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 2: I'll get no respect here.

1069
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 1: Damon makes a bunch of jokes, and then he makes

1070
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: a very unkind comment to Auto about the recent passing

1071
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: of Lady High Tower uh, and Auto gets mad and

1072
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 1: King Vissaras has to step in and be like, listen, okay, Auto,

1073
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: you know that Damon likes to fuck with you. And Damon,

1074
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: great job with the watch, but just chill out with

1075
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: the crazy shit. Okay. Later on, Damon, as he's wont

1076
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: to do, is blowing off some steam in a brothel

1077
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 1: with his paramour, Myceia, a native of Lease and the

1078
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: free cities of Essos. Uh. But he can't, you know,

1079
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 1: a non uncommon problem. He can't. He can't continue because

1080
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: he is so worried about being displaced by the air

1081
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 1: that Queen is potentially going to give birth to. And

1082
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 1: Missari's like, don't worry about it. The King will never

1083
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 1: forget about you. But it's another window into how much

1084
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: Demon just needs to be next to his brother, just

1085
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 1: needs to be noticed by him. The tournament begins in

1086
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 1: conjunction with the Queen's labors, so the masters let's take

1087
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 1: a victory lap.

1088
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 2: Folks.

1089
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 1: You got it right.

1090
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 2: Nice job with the predictions. You nailed it. Very impressive.

1091
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 4: I mean they still can't do that nowadays, so I'm like,

1092
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 4: very impressive. That's one of the most fantastical moments of

1093
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 4: this show, the suspension of disbelief. Could they guess it right?

1094
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 1: They guessed it right, They guess it right?

1095
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 2: We get some.

1096
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: Here are some notable tournament highlights. We get We meet

1097
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 1: Lord Borosporathian, the Lord of Storm's End. Here he asks

1098
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 1: Queen Rainey's for her favor, addressing her as the Queen

1099
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 1: who never was. Of course this a reference to the

1100
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 1: fact that she lost the Greek Council election of one

1101
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 1: oh one. That irks the box clearly, and she's you

1102
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 1: can tell that she's like enough with the fucking Queen

1103
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 1: who never was?

1104
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 2: Shit like, okay, otto, uh, I think sincerely?

1105
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: Oh suggest to King Visa's is like, you could have

1106
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 1: a Boris Brathian's tongue out, you know, why not do that?

1107
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 2: Which is.

1108
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: Down needs to chill out.

1109
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 4: He's like, yeah, it seems very out of character in

1110
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 4: the moment because you're just like I thought you were

1111
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 4: meant to be this serious one. But then you realize

1112
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 4: he's obsessed with staying in power, and staying in power

1113
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 4: means visceris staying in power, and that means he doesn't

1114
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 4: he sees anything any talk of anyone else who could

1115
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 4: have been or king or queen is a threat, but

1116
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 4: also like chill.

1117
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 1: Out absolutely and we see that by the way in

1118
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 1: the scene where in the Royal Box, Vernia and Alison

1119
01:01:56,480 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 1: again just like girls doing girls stuff, great friends. They

1120
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 1: are gossiping about the various families, who's pregnant, who's hooking up,

1121
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 1: all that kind of normal stuff. We see that Lady

1122
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: Allison is a warrior, anxious and she's pulling at her

1123
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: nails all the time. Sir Kristin Cole causes a stir

1124
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: by dunking on two sons of House Barathian.

1125
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 2: Kristen Cole, we learn is the.

1126
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: Son of the steward of Lord Dundarian of the Dornish

1127
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 1: Marshes in the Stormlands. So interestingly, Kristen Cole here is

1128
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 1: like beating the shit out of the sons of his

1129
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 1: lord paramount, which is very interesting. Prince Damon shows up

1130
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 1: and as his as Visera's knew he would, because Prince

1131
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 1: Damon loves the tournaments, and the Prince continues the theme

1132
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:01,919
Speaker 1: from the earlier Small Council meeting of trolling Auto High Tower.

1133
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 1: He loves first of all, he selects Auto High Terra's

1134
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 1: son and then goes out of his way to beat

1135
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 1: his fucking ass. Then he goes to the royal boxes, like, oh, Alison,

1136
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 1: High Tower, daughter of Otto, I would love it if

1137
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:18,439
Speaker 1: you would give me your favor. Wouldn't that be great?

1138
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 1: Could I have your favorite lady Allison? As he like

1139
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 1: locks eyes with Auto. And there's an interesting moment there too,

1140
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 1: where Rania you could see on her face that she

1141
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 1: knows what he's up to. She's like, I're fucking with Auto.

1142
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 4: I get it.

1143
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 1: It comes down to Kristin cole versus Damon. Sir Kristen wins.

1144
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:42,439
Speaker 1: It is a great a great battle, a great fight.

1145
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 1: He removes his helmet and Alison and Rineer realize with

1146
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 1: surprise that he is of Dornish.

1147
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 2: But God's he's Dornish now.

1148
01:03:54,040 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 1: The show refers to Kristen as of Dornish heritage, so

1149
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 1: and this is not necessarily a book change, because he

1150
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 1: is in the books he is also like the common

1151
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 1: born son of Lord Dundarian's steward, the Steward of Blackhaven,

1152
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 1: but making him have a Dornish blood is a new

1153
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 1: is a new wrinkle. And I also love the fact

1154
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 1: that they can tell he's Dornish because he's got brown

1155
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:27,919
Speaker 1: hair and he's hot.

1156
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it.

1157
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 4: I was like, you know why he's dornish. We've seen

1158
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 4: people from Dawn before. He was like, this is always

1159
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:37,959
Speaker 4: I feel like this is another one of those things

1160
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 4: where there's a few little choices here of how they

1161
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 4: introduce people or slight changes or should we say expansions

1162
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 4: because of what this is based on. This is based

1163
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 4: on history that's constantly changing, you know, And I think

1164
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 4: this one is gonna be huge, especially looking at Kristen's

1165
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 4: kind of journey.

1166
01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1167
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, while all of this this is happening, Queen Emma

1168
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 1: is in labor and it is horrific. The King is

1169
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 1: eventually called because she's having a lot of trouble, and

1170
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 1: he makes the decision to attempt to save the life

1171
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 1: of the child by cutting it out of Emma's body,

1172
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 1: thus uh killing Emma but potentially saving the child. And

1173
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 1: it is a horrific, bloody scene. The queen dies in agony.

1174
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 4: Where was the milk of the puppy.

1175
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 2: Drug?

1176
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 1: I guess, but I'm like, let's overload it with milk.

1177
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 1: Let's overload with milk of the poppy.

1178
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 2: There's no reason.

1179
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go crazy with the milk of the poppy.

1180
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 4: Yeah that Shambroke did that scene where she's like just

1181
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 4: before it starts to happen and she's just begging the

1182
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:55,960
Speaker 4: series like please, I'm scared, like, don't do this, and

1183
01:05:56,680 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 4: that that the choice is heartbreaking, but in this circumstance,

1184
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 4: it's just incredibly brutal and it shows you again that

1185
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 4: obsession with the obsession.

1186
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 1: And you know it is not to put too fine

1187
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 1: a point on it, but when the government of a

1188
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 1: of a place is embodied in the physical form of

1189
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 1: a person, it actually does And I'm not.

1190
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 2: Making excuses for this, but you understand.

1191
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 1: You understand why, because if you don't get that air,

1192
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 1: that means we don't know who's next. That means there's

1193
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 1: gonna be a war, and that means, like, I don't know,

1194
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 1: two million people die because we're gonna fight over the

1195
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:44,720
Speaker 1: throne unless a person that we all agree is the

1196
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 1: rightful ruler shows up, and hopefully that is this prince

1197
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 1: that was born that the king names Baylor. But of

1198
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 1: course the child dies quickly after the mother. King Vissaras

1199
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 1: and Ranera are both absolutely shattered. Damon also but he's

1200
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 1: you know, he expresses it in different ways, as we

1201
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:08,440
Speaker 1: will see. At the funeral, it falls to Rania to

1202
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 1: command her dragon Cyrax to light the funeral. Pires at

1203
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 1: the next small council chamber, the funeral pires are not

1204
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 1: even out yet, smolder and their smaller ex at Auto

1205
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 1: High Tower is like, Hey, I don't want to be

1206
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 1: the one to do this, but I'm gonna be the

1207
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 1: one that does this. Let's talk about the succession, Otto,

1208
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 1: give it, Give it like a month?

1209
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 2: Can we do that?

1210
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 1: Can we not have it like three weeks?

1211
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:45,440
Speaker 4: Especially like Renaria is like so incendorly angry, like there

1212
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 4: is so many It's not just like Vesara's is devastated,

1213
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 4: blah blah blah. You made that choice, my guy, but

1214
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:54,160
Speaker 4: like there's so many layers to it where rushing this

1215
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 4: is gonna be a bad idea. It's just you just

1216
01:07:57,240 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 4: know that it's gonna end badly. And also like again, Otto,

1217
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 4: your true colors are showing, and they're gonna be showing

1218
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:07,000
Speaker 4: even more in the next like five minutes of the episode.

1219
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 4: But absolutely, please please, just like I think it's literally

1220
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 4: like within twenty four hours.

1221
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:14,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, my god, please, Yeah, I mean it's the

1222
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 1: very next meeting.

1223
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 2: You gotta please, You've just gotta calm down.

1224
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 1: Anyway, he doesn't, and in Auto's mind, this is an

1225
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: issue which needs to be addressed now because for the

1226
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 1: good of the realm, the stability of the realm.

1227
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:28,680
Speaker 2: And of course he.

1228
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 1: Understands that the king has various infected wounds on his body,

1229
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 1: so he's concerned about it.

1230
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:38,680
Speaker 2: Now.

1231
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:41,559
Speaker 1: It comes down to two choices that they have right now.

1232
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 1: There are these two. It is one Prince Damon, the

1233
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 1: king's brother, and an easy choice if not for the

1234
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 1: fact that everybody understands he'd be terrible.

1235
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, he has the established precedent set should be the air.

1236
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:02,760
Speaker 4: Apart from the fact we just saw happened. Everybody saw it.

1237
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 4: Everybody knows that he is sneaky as fuck. It's gonna

1238
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 4: be a bad idea.

1239
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 1: Otto says, he would be a second Magor or worse again, Magor,

1240
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 1: the cruel the the third king of west Ros King

1241
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 1: Vsaras is the fifth, so you know, every.

1242
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 2: It would be.

1243
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 1: Semi. It's like seventy years earlier Maygor's reigned, so it's

1244
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 1: kind of it's not fresh in everybody's mind, but it

1245
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 1: is Pressian history that we can't let this happen again.

1246
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:37,320
Speaker 1: And of course Magor succeeded one of my favorite targeting kings,

1247
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:41,600
Speaker 1: the second targeering King, King Anus, Targeting Or, as I

1248
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 1: like to call him, the Deuce, the Deuce, and King

1249
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 1: Anus a e nys king Anis was was a weak

1250
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:55,760
Speaker 1: king and Maygor was not. Magor was a warrior. He

1251
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 1: was knighted at a very young age. Everybody was like, wow, Maygor,

1252
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:03,640
Speaker 1: what a warrior, and that allowed Megor to come in

1253
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 1: and seize power. And what followed was six years of

1254
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:09,679
Speaker 1: really really terrible shit and nobody wants.

1255
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 2: To do that again.

1256
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 4: No, but they also, who have a planned this, this

1257
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 4: great place to have your meetings, didn't think about the

1258
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 4: fact that the walls are full of holes. So then

1259
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 4: we see that Damon is listening to him getting shaded,

1260
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:25,719
Speaker 4: but he's snuck in and listening.

1261
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:29,680
Speaker 2: Let's so mag Or the Cruel notably.

1262
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 1: Played a huge role in the construction of the Red

1263
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:38,600
Speaker 1: Keep that you know that the construction of the of

1264
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 1: the royal castle had started before his reign, but he

1265
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 1: was the driving force in it, and he wanted the

1266
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 1: particularly the kind of most sensitive areas to be like

1267
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 1: riddled with the secret passage ways, and once construction was finished,

1268
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 1: in order to keep those passage was secret, he threw

1269
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:04,920
Speaker 1: a big feast for all the construction workers and then

1270
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 1: had them killed chucking. Now, what what we are meant

1271
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 1: to understand by one the fact earlier that Damon was

1272
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:16,720
Speaker 1: able to come to the castle without any steam, and

1273
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 1: then to this scene where he's listening to everything that's

1274
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 1: going on, is Damon knows where these passages are. Yes,

1275
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 1: he knows where this shit is. He's probably he's been

1276
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 1: doing this since he was a kid looking for them,

1277
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:35,720
Speaker 1: and he probably is the foremost expert during this time

1278
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 1: of where all the secret passageways in the Red key

1279
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:39,799
Speaker 1: bark Yeah.

1280
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:43,000
Speaker 4: And the cot to him hearing that comparison to Mega

1281
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 4: is not a coincidence.

1282
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 1: It's not a quit.

1283
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:48,720
Speaker 4: Why it happens and you just wanted to you like,

1284
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 4: my guys, this was the best place, Like you could

1285
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 4: have chosen that anywhere else, but they just keep shaden Damon.

1286
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 1: Well, let me just say this also, it's one ten

1287
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 1: ish one o nine. See, so you know the the

1288
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 1: Redkeep has been built for some seventy plus. Hey, let's

1289
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:15,559
Speaker 1: get the master's in here and let's map the fucking

1290
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:16,280
Speaker 1: secret passage.

1291
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:18,680
Speaker 2: What are we waiting for? What have we been waiting for?

1292
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Speaker 1: Somebody get in here and map these legs. Anyway, it's

1293
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:27,719
Speaker 1: working so like it's working for So that's a number

1294
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 1: one candidate to succeed to the Iron throne is Prince Damon.

1295
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 1: Everybody's like, that guy is too much of a wildcard.

1296
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 2: We can't have it.

1297
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:41,680
Speaker 1: The second candidate, of course, is Princess Rania, whose main

1298
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 1: strike against her is she's a woman and the and

1299
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 1: therefore the realm, or a good portion of the realm

1300
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:52,720
Speaker 1: would not easily support her. Corliss then is like, hey,

1301
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:58,639
Speaker 1: let's not forget about my wife. Guys, Princess radies the queen,

1302
01:12:58,680 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 1: it never was.

1303
01:12:59,320 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 2: What about it?

1304
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:03,040
Speaker 1: We can I get a round of applause for my wife?

1305
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:06,880
Speaker 1: Otto High Tower is like, oh yeah, great, that makes

1306
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:15,240
Speaker 1: my wife. Everybody leave the Grandmaster, Grandmeister Mellows then, not

1307
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 1: so subtly raises the possibility that like, hey, what if

1308
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like what if Damon? You know what

1309
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 1: if he does something against the king and then you know,

1310
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:28,920
Speaker 1: now a big argument has broken out and the King

1311
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:32,759
Speaker 1: of course cannot stand this. His his wife and newborn

1312
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:38,040
Speaker 1: son literally just died. He made the decision that ended

1313
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 1: his wife's life in complete horrific agony, and he can't

1314
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 1: stand this. He storms out. Later, Otto sends a secret

1315
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:50,840
Speaker 1: message to old Now this is we must wonder what

1316
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:54,360
Speaker 1: this is, right, I wonder what it is. I wonder

1317
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 1: what he's trying to say here. I wonder who he's

1318
01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:59,479
Speaker 1: sending it to old Town. So one would assume he's

1319
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 1: keeping very in touch with his family about you know,

1320
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 1: about various things that would impact their standing in the realm.

1321
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 2: But this is something to keep note of.

1322
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I also wonder if it's like he's trying you know,

1323
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 4: we know about the King's illness and how he sees

1324
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 4: that as a weakness, like what conversation and what message

1325
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:22,120
Speaker 4: is going to whom that message is. We know how

1326
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 4: big a raven or a message can come back to be.

1327
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:28,760
Speaker 4: And I feel like this is going to play into

1328
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:29,599
Speaker 4: the rest of the season.

1329
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 1: I agree with you, because he very clearly right now

1330
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 1: sees things at a very sensitive juncture. So the very

1331
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:38,240
Speaker 1: next thing that happens is he's writing this letter, he

1332
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 1: gives it to Grandmeaster Mellows to send off, and his

1333
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 1: daughter Alison comes in and he's like, hey, you should

1334
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:48,320
Speaker 1: go see the king. You should go see the king.

1335
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 1: You should he's hearing right now, and you should put

1336
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:58,000
Speaker 1: on your mom's nice dress and you should go, you know,

1337
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 1: provide comfort the king. And Allison is like, in his chambers?

1338
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:03,679
Speaker 1: Are you saying go to his bedroom? Ados?

1339
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:04,800
Speaker 2: Uh?

1340
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:10,400
Speaker 1: Is that's what he is saying. That is what Otto

1341
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:10,920
Speaker 1: is saying.

1342
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:11,720
Speaker 2: Uh.

1343
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 1: That that night, across the city at Damon and Busters,

1344
01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:22,840
Speaker 1: David Targerryt has rented out an entire brothel for all

1345
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:26,600
Speaker 1: of his officers of the City Watch, and he is

1346
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 1: burying whatever sadness he has under piles of copulating flesh.

1347
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:32,760
Speaker 4: Uh.

1348
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 1: And of course he's got this. He you can tell

1349
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 1: that he's a little he's sad, but he also has

1350
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 1: this image of like the cocky, swaggering Prince of the

1351
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 1: city to uphold.

1352
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:47,720
Speaker 2: And so when one of his guardsmen.

1353
01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:51,840
Speaker 1: Is like, stand for the Prince of the city, David

1354
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 1: Target is going to make a speech. He then makes

1355
01:15:55,200 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 1: a speech in which he refers to deceased Prince Bailey

1356
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 1: as quote the air for a day bad, I really

1357
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:11,840
Speaker 1: bad look shocking stuff. And of course Otto High Tower

1358
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:16,240
Speaker 1: heard about it. He hears about it. Is this connected

1359
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 1: to the message he was sending. We don't know, but

1360
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:21,840
Speaker 1: what we understand is that Otto has eyes and ears

1361
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:26,080
Speaker 1: around the city. He tells the king, and the king

1362
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:31,320
Speaker 1: is pissed, and rightfully so he pissed he is. He

1363
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:34,639
Speaker 1: calls Damon to come see him in the throne room.

1364
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 1: He's got his king's guard rate in front of him.

1365
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:40,559
Speaker 1: He is holding blackfire, the sort of egg on the conqueror.

1366
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:43,680
Speaker 1: He has got the crown on and he is like,

1367
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 1: did you say it? And Damon is like, yeah, I

1368
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 1: said it. That was fucked up, but I did say it.

1369
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:51,639
Speaker 1: And then he's like, you're going back to the veil.

1370
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:52,400
Speaker 2: You're going.

1371
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:57,760
Speaker 1: You're going to back to your wife, Rea Royce in

1372
01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:02,800
Speaker 1: the veil. You're going right now. And if you remain

1373
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:06,240
Speaker 1: in the city, basically like it's on pain of death,

1374
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:09,160
Speaker 1: like you must leave. I am ordering you as your

1375
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:13,640
Speaker 1: king to leave. Damon clearly isn't going, though, because we

1376
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 1: later see him at the dragon pit with his with

1377
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:21,000
Speaker 1: his dragon, the blood worm Kaxies and his mistress Massaria.

1378
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:24,760
Speaker 1: So wherever they are going, they are not fucking going

1379
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 1: back to the veil because you don't bring your mistress

1380
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 1: to the veil to meet your wife. Later in the

1381
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 1: crypto Valerian the Black Dread, the famous dragon of egg

1382
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 1: On the Conqueror, the oldest living thing when it was

1383
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 1: still alive, the last living thing to have gazed upon

1384
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 1: Old Valeria. King Viseras meets Rania, his daughter, and he

1385
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 1: shares with her a a actual like story, recontextualizing seeking It.

1386
01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 2: Is both the books.

1387
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 4: In the show, this is the moment.

1388
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:04,639
Speaker 1: This is a big deal.

1389
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:08,840
Speaker 4: There is so much great character work and foreshadowing and

1390
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 4: little moments that play into each other. But if you

1391
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:17,840
Speaker 4: have the takeaway moment, this is the ground chattering, the

1392
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:19,200
Speaker 4: way we look at everything.

1393
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 2: Moment he says that.

1394
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 1: Egg On the Conqueror, it is said that, you know,

1395
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 1: he looked at west Ros and saw prize worth taking,

1396
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 1: and that's why he invaded with his with his sisters,

1397
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:38,880
Speaker 1: with Senyan raise but not the case. Eggon had a

1398
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:42,320
Speaker 1: dream that a long winter was coming and that only

1399
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:46,400
Speaker 1: a targarian on the throne of west Ros could be

1400
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 1: the hero to stop it. And this secret, apparently we learn,

1401
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:53,800
Speaker 1: has been passed down from ruler to air since the

1402
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:57,400
Speaker 1: days of Aigon, and since Ranera is now Viceerrus's air.

1403
01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 1: He is giving her the top secret Conqueror file and

1404
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:07,200
Speaker 1: telling her this is the mission of House Targarian. You

1405
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 1: now have this responsibility on your shoulders. And later we

1406
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 1: see in the throne room the various noble houses of

1407
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:17,640
Speaker 1: the realm called you know, they were already there for

1408
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:20,960
Speaker 1: the for the Aras tournament, so apparently they stayed around.

1409
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:24,839
Speaker 1: And now they are kneeling before Niera in the presence

1410
01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 1: of the king and swearing fieldy and allegiance to her

1411
01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:30,640
Speaker 1: in front of the eyes of the entire realm. And

1412
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 1: I'm sure that will that's it. We've it's fine now, Raniera.

1413
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 1: Is her reign is going to be unopposed because everybody in.

1414
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 4: It's gonna be fine.

1415
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 2: Yes.

1416
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:48,600
Speaker 1: So, first of all, great pilot episode they that is

1417
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:54,560
Speaker 1: that was a masterclass in how you give exposition in

1418
01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 1: a way that doesn't feel like someone's just reading you

1419
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 1: hit like the or of a place like that was

1420
01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 1: that felt like Game of Thrones, when Game of Thrones

1421
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:08,680
Speaker 1: was like firing on all cylinders.

1422
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1423
01:20:09,439 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 4: I think something that is so intrinsically clever about House

1424
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:15,679
Speaker 4: of the Dragon is the fact that it is essentially

1425
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:19,600
Speaker 4: based on a history of Westross means you can have

1426
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 4: people in the show explaining the history as a narrative

1427
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:26,280
Speaker 4: part of the show of the people. I mean, we

1428
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 4: meet so many houses that we never met in Game

1429
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:33,560
Speaker 4: of Thrones, just in the first episode, Like, there is

1430
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:37,439
Speaker 4: so much to take in, but there's these quiet character

1431
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:43,960
Speaker 4: moments and set ups that weigh it down with a humanity,

1432
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 4: even in this space of the dragons. And then just

1433
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:49,679
Speaker 4: when you think like, oh, this is the conflict's really

1434
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:52,519
Speaker 4: hot en up, they're like, oh, by the way, everything

1435
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:57,120
Speaker 4: you know is completely different from the way you thought

1436
01:20:57,200 --> 01:20:57,519
Speaker 4: it was.

1437
01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:01,760
Speaker 1: Now Apparently that little tidbit came directly from George, who

1438
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 1: has been very you know, has been super super involved

1439
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:10,479
Speaker 1: in this show, and it's legitimately a big deal. And

1440
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:14,959
Speaker 1: it was funny because when I saw this, I reflected

1441
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 1: on the fact that like when you when you read

1442
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:20,600
Speaker 1: the books, you don't know anything about Agon, Like we

1443
01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 1: know what he did, and we know what his sisters,

1444
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:25,040
Speaker 1: we know the painted table. You know he came over

1445
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:30,719
Speaker 1: from Dragonstone, et cetera with maybe three hundred men three dragons,

1446
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:34,760
Speaker 1: but no, but you don't know anything about his personality.

1447
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 1: We don't know like what he liked, what he didn't like,

1448
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:40,560
Speaker 1: to do. We get the feeling that he that he

1449
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:48,160
Speaker 1: was had warm feelings for his sister Queen Rainie's, and

1450
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 1: that kind of was just like whatever about Visenya, but

1451
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:53,519
Speaker 1: maybe was in love with Rainey's. But we don't know

1452
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 1: a lot about him, and this is the first time

1453
01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:58,679
Speaker 1: that we've really got a sense of mission and motivation

1454
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:04,479
Speaker 1: about Agony and learn something like that is such a

1455
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:07,760
Speaker 1: big deal about him. That not only recontextualizes what we

1456
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 1: know about him, but the action everything of all the

1457
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:14,040
Speaker 1: Targetarian things that came after.

1458
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:18,720
Speaker 4: Because also imagine this, so we've gone from Aig and

1459
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:22,519
Speaker 4: the conqueror Eigen going to conquer wester Ros to destroy it,

1460
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:26,800
Speaker 4: to defile it, to take the power, to going there

1461
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:31,639
Speaker 4: to unite it. That's huge. And also like I really,

1462
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:34,720
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm glad to hear that confirmation because it

1463
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:36,720
Speaker 4: obviously felt like it had to come to George for me,

1464
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:40,680
Speaker 4: because that recontextualizes the world that is his world, you know.

1465
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:43,640
Speaker 4: But it's kind of cool as well to build on

1466
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:48,600
Speaker 4: that Targerian tradition of like Danis having the dreams and

1467
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:51,680
Speaker 4: the prophet dreams and day are on the drunken and

1468
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:54,840
Speaker 4: it's it's very cool to see that built in. But

1469
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:59,560
Speaker 4: this is the dream, you know, this is the This

1470
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:03,240
Speaker 4: is the reason that Targerian's probably were ever gifted with

1471
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:06,600
Speaker 4: prophetic dreams was for this dream and the fact, like

1472
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:08,920
Speaker 4: it's so poetic. And this is something I love about

1473
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:12,519
Speaker 4: being about doing a prequel, right, you get to do

1474
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 4: it and you get to have him say. Egan called

1475
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:18,240
Speaker 4: his dream the Song of Ice and Fire, and he

1476
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:21,320
Speaker 4: says the thing, and it's so fun when you say

1477
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 4: the thing and then you we know that it's true,

1478
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:28,400
Speaker 4: but we know that it's it is truly a song

1479
01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:31,400
Speaker 4: of ice and fire because it's John Snow who saves

1480
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:32,719
Speaker 4: the realm. You know it's it's.

1481
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:37,320
Speaker 1: Or because like you know, like I mean, it's a

1482
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:41,320
Speaker 1: great point. We could well, yeah, on later episodes. I'm

1483
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:43,280
Speaker 1: sure we will get into the whole prince of this promise.

1484
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:48,759
Speaker 1: But you could see John Snow half target in half stark, right, Okay, yeah.

1485
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:50,320
Speaker 2: You could. That's what it means.

1486
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:55,960
Speaker 1: At the same time, man, when when Rassara's is seeing

1487
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 1: this Turnira, he's got his hand on that catsquaw blade,

1488
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:05,320
Speaker 1: that famous dagger that that Jeoffrey, in his pettiness gave

1489
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 1: to a cut throat and sent to go kill brand Stark,

1490
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:14,360
Speaker 1: who is already in a coma from being from falling

1491
01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:16,920
Speaker 1: from the tower in episode one of Game of Thrones,

1492
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:23,600
Speaker 1: And it just shows you, number one, Jeoffrey's immense irrationality

1493
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:26,960
Speaker 1: that he sent an assassin with like a priceless and

1494
01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:30,479
Speaker 1: historic weapon. But it's it's meaningful to me that one

1495
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:34,599
Speaker 1: Viscera's has got his hand on that dagger as he's

1496
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:39,839
Speaker 1: telling Rnier that secret, and then later it is Ariya

1497
01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:43,720
Speaker 1: stabbing the Night King with that dagger. That ends that

1498
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:47,280
Speaker 1: ends THESS threat. Yes, and you know who's to say

1499
01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:49,519
Speaker 1: that that's not the song of its exactly? You know?

1500
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:50,559
Speaker 1: Because also I.

1501
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:53,720
Speaker 4: Like that reading because look, a Targarian needs to sit

1502
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:59,320
Speaker 4: on the throne for the west Rosston and the Seven

1503
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:03,120
Speaker 4: Kings to be said, right boh and Denari's was on

1504
01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:04,880
Speaker 4: the throne, so there's a tag Aaran on the throne.

1505
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:08,960
Speaker 4: But it doesn't necessarily mean that the exact moment isn't

1506
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:12,839
Speaker 4: aria with the Cat's pull blade, because that's that uniting

1507
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:15,160
Speaker 4: coming together as well. I love that reading. I think

1508
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:16,040
Speaker 4: that's really cool.

1509
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:21,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so excited to continue to talk about this show.

1510
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:23,600
Speaker 1: It's been fun to get back into it. It's been

1511
01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:27,600
Speaker 1: fun to like just be talking with my Game of

1512
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 1: Thrones friends again, you know, and like people will be like,

1513
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:32,640
Speaker 1: oh my god, what do you think this means? Is

1514
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 1: a big deal, man, that the agon prophecy, and of

1515
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:41,840
Speaker 1: course for Targarians, dreams are a big deal.

1516
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:42,760
Speaker 2: You mentioned it.

1517
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:47,080
Speaker 1: Danis the dreamer. Twelve years before the Doom of Valeria

1518
01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 1: destroyed Old Valeria had that dream, yep, that the land

1519
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:55,720
Speaker 1: was going to be destroyed in a cataclysm. Convinced her

1520
01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:58,479
Speaker 1: dad that it was going to happen, and they pulled

1521
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:02,320
Speaker 1: up stakes and left. And that is why, amongst all

1522
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:06,200
Speaker 1: the you know, the dragon lords of Old Vallera, only

1523
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:09,960
Speaker 1: the Targerians survived. And the Targets were not even it's

1524
01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:13,920
Speaker 1: They were not like the most powerful house anywhere near it.

1525
01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:18,360
Speaker 1: They were just like a lower middle class dragon riding

1526
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:23,800
Speaker 1: noble house, but who had this touch of prophecy and

1527
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:26,559
Speaker 1: good fortune that allowed them to survive. So any dream

1528
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 1: like this, I mean, you want to know why Visas

1529
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 1: is putting so much stock in this dream that he

1530
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:36,240
Speaker 1: had about having a son. It's the same reason that

1531
01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:42,160
Speaker 1: he is so almost messianic about. Yeah, this song and

1532
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:44,480
Speaker 1: Ice and Fire dream of agons.

1533
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:45,559
Speaker 2: It's that.

1534
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:52,920
Speaker 1: Dreams legitimately saved the entire family from destruction at one time,

1535
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 1: and so they just put a lot of stock in it.

1536
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:58,160
Speaker 4: Okay, So this is a question. I want to ask

1537
01:26:58,200 --> 01:26:59,760
Speaker 4: you that because I was thinking about this a lot

1538
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 4: with the dreams. So Vasia's had that dream, Emma died,

1539
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 4: the baby died. We saw I listen then go to

1540
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:11,800
Speaker 4: his chambers. There is obviously something going on. There is

1541
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:14,960
Speaker 4: there a version of Visarah's dream where that comes true,

1542
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:17,479
Speaker 4: but it's not his and AMA's baby. Like do you

1543
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:20,360
Speaker 4: see that as it's a it's a prophetic dream. It's

1544
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:23,240
Speaker 4: just far more in the future than I think.

1545
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:26,560
Speaker 1: Uh, that would be in line with the way that

1546
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:29,559
Speaker 1: prophecies and often work in this world.

1547
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:29,800
Speaker 4: You know.

1548
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:32,080
Speaker 1: It's the same thing with the with the prince that

1549
01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:37,760
Speaker 1: was promised or or relore, any of the prophecies of

1550
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:42,960
Speaker 1: the lore. There's always, always, always, always.

1551
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:43,840
Speaker 2: And George R.

1552
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:47,519
Speaker 1: Martin's stories and in these in this world, various different

1553
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:55,280
Speaker 1: ways two like to to po to parse a prophecy

1554
01:27:55,720 --> 01:28:01,400
Speaker 1: and figure out what it means. And it's always the trickiest, windiest,

1555
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 1: not straight.

1556
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:04,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like general version.

1557
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:07,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's always like some you think it means one thing,

1558
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:09,080
Speaker 4: but you read it a different way and it actually

1559
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:12,320
Speaker 4: means this. And I'm very interested to see how they

1560
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:15,640
Speaker 4: play with prophecy more because like in the books, like

1561
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:18,920
Speaker 4: Dinara's had prophetic dreams and stuff, and I would love

1562
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:21,519
Speaker 4: to see I love that aspect of this stuff, and

1563
01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:24,439
Speaker 4: I feel like with the Dragons there's even more of

1564
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:28,840
Speaker 4: that supernatural kind of prophetic aspect to it. So I

1565
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:30,960
Speaker 4: was really excited that this is clearly going to be

1566
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 4: like a big part of this season going forwards.

1567
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:36,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't wait. Up Next to the premiere of

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01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:44,040
Speaker 1: House of the Dragon, join Josie Toda, Alicia pasqual Pina,

1569
01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 1: and Yasmin Hamedy, three fearless young actresses, disruptors, and best

1570
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:51,679
Speaker 1: friends as they navigate the issues that affect their lives

1571
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:55,200
Speaker 1: on Crooked's newest podcast. There we say, from hookup culture

1572
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:59,599
Speaker 1: and social media to structural racism and LGBTQ plus rights,

1573
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:03,519
Speaker 1: the girls are leaving no stone unturned and no dm

1574
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:07,960
Speaker 1: unread when it comes to discussing what matters. They won't

1575
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:11,760
Speaker 1: shy away from diving deep into controversial topics that are

1576
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:14,840
Speaker 1: important to their generation. The girls even turn to their

1577
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:19,559
Speaker 1: elders with raised voices so the elders can hear them

1578
01:29:19,640 --> 01:29:22,280
Speaker 1: over their hardened hearing and through their hearing horns that

1579
01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 1: they point to the girl's voices. Actors, activists, comedians, experts, politicians,

1580
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:31,400
Speaker 1: other old people twenty six and older in an attempt

1581
01:29:31,439 --> 01:29:34,640
Speaker 1: to understand the world their generation was handed and what

1582
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:37,360
Speaker 1: they can do to improve it. We promise you don't

1583
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:41,040
Speaker 1: want to miss this show, So grab your kombucha, your

1584
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:45,160
Speaker 1: iced coffee, and your seventeen other beverages and catch a

1585
01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:48,320
Speaker 1: new episode of Dare we say every Thursday wherever you

1586
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:56,519
Speaker 1: get your podcasts. Dragons have arrived on HBO Max. The

1587
01:29:56,600 --> 01:29:58,720
Speaker 1: new HBO original series House of the Dragon is a

1588
01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:00,920
Speaker 1: prequel set two hundred years for the events of Gabe

1589
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:03,280
Speaker 1: th Roads. How's the Dragon tells the story of how

1590
01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:05,800
Speaker 1: Stargaring locked in an epic battle for the Iron Throne

1591
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:09,240
Speaker 1: and power over the Seven Kingdoms. The epic series promises

1592
01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:12,880
Speaker 1: more drama and betrayal than ever. Listen to the official

1593
01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:15,120
Speaker 1: Game of Thrones podcast, hous to the Dragon on HBO Max,

1594
01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:18,040
Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts, and

1595
01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:22,720
Speaker 1: to celebrate, we're answering your questions from the citadel and

1596
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:23,320
Speaker 1: here we go.

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01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:29,720
Speaker 4: Cara, Alex and Amanda ask. In the council meetings, they

1598
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:33,280
Speaker 4: keep putting stones on round discs in camera shops that

1599
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:37,120
Speaker 4: feel significant and pointed. Why does everybody have a stone ball?

1600
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:38,479
Speaker 4: And what's their deal?

1601
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:45,800
Speaker 1: This is a non book edition and apparently this just

1602
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:49,080
Speaker 1: came from production. One of the set decorators, the art

1603
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:52,240
Speaker 1: design people just decided this would be a fun way

1604
01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:58,360
Speaker 1: to represent that each member of the council is present

1605
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:01,800
Speaker 1: and ready to be in work. Essentially, Ryan Condall is

1606
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:06,000
Speaker 1: quoted in a Hollywood Reporter story saying, quote, everybody shows

1607
01:31:06,040 --> 01:31:07,720
Speaker 1: up for work and they punch in. I thought it

1608
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:10,000
Speaker 1: was really cool. It's a way of visualizing the set

1609
01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:13,360
Speaker 1: formality of the small council chamber. It's enjoyable. We should

1610
01:31:13,400 --> 01:31:16,080
Speaker 1: have things that we like in this world, so just

1611
01:31:16,439 --> 01:31:17,240
Speaker 1: like a fun addition.

1612
01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:18,000
Speaker 4: I love that.

1613
01:31:18,439 --> 01:31:19,080
Speaker 1: I like it too.

1614
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:21,639
Speaker 4: I love some good production design that kind of adds

1615
01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:26,840
Speaker 4: to a world building. Absolutely, Meredith asks. From the conversation

1616
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:30,000
Speaker 4: Otto Hi Toower has with his daughter Allison, it's implied

1617
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:31,920
Speaker 4: that he wants her to sleep with the king while

1618
01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:35,680
Speaker 4: he's grieving, to Allison's much to Allison's dismay. But all

1619
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:38,439
Speaker 4: we see is her comforting Vicius, are we supposed to

1620
01:31:38,640 --> 01:31:41,360
Speaker 4: infer that anything else happened between them or just that

1621
01:31:41,479 --> 01:31:44,519
Speaker 4: she shared his grief? Obviously, I hope nothing happened for

1622
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:47,160
Speaker 4: Allison's sake, but I wonder if that means something will

1623
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:48,800
Speaker 4: happen with him later on.

1624
01:31:50,280 --> 01:31:56,280
Speaker 1: Otto is absolutely a planner, and this is he understands

1625
01:31:56,400 --> 01:32:01,040
Speaker 1: that he is sending his daughter, who he is a

1626
01:32:01,320 --> 01:32:06,360
Speaker 1: very open hearted and sympathetic person and who recently lost

1627
01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:09,920
Speaker 1: her mother. He knows that he is sending her in there.

1628
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:15,160
Speaker 1: And my read is he's not thinking that they're going

1629
01:32:15,200 --> 01:32:18,080
Speaker 1: to sleep together. And in fact, that would be horrendous

1630
01:32:18,280 --> 01:32:21,920
Speaker 1: for the fortunes of his house, Like for her, his daughter,

1631
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:23,840
Speaker 1: to be like dishonored in that way, I think it

1632
01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:28,160
Speaker 1: would be bad. But he is looking to certainly to

1633
01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:31,599
Speaker 1: improve the fortunes of his house, and he is thinking, oh,

1634
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:37,600
Speaker 1: here is an emotionally vulnerable king. My daughter has experienced

1635
01:32:37,640 --> 01:32:40,880
Speaker 1: with grief, and maybe they have something to talk about.

1636
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:43,960
Speaker 1: And certainly if they do, and she's wearing a nice

1637
01:32:44,040 --> 01:32:48,120
Speaker 1: dress and she looks great, that will benefit my house.

1638
01:32:48,240 --> 01:32:50,920
Speaker 1: As Damon says in the throne room about Otto, he's

1639
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:53,400
Speaker 1: a second son and he's a cunt. What does that

1640
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:56,120
Speaker 1: mean as second son, Well, the first sons inherit everything.

1641
01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:59,000
Speaker 1: The first sons become lords right when their lord father dies.

1642
01:32:59,080 --> 01:33:03,240
Speaker 1: The second son's, you know, get a smaller tower and

1643
01:33:03,439 --> 01:33:06,439
Speaker 1: maybe get to go be a knight somewhere. They don't

1644
01:33:06,479 --> 01:33:10,880
Speaker 1: really get to inherit anything unless the older son dies.

1645
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:14,320
Speaker 2: So this is Otto, in that.

1646
01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:19,600
Speaker 1: Kind of grasping way, trying to make something happen. And

1647
01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:22,280
Speaker 1: again I don't think he's I don't think he's thinking

1648
01:33:22,360 --> 01:33:25,160
Speaker 1: that the king and his daughter are going to sleep together.

1649
01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:27,800
Speaker 1: Certainly not now, but maybe in the future. You know.

1650
01:33:27,880 --> 01:33:31,080
Speaker 1: He's certainly looking to build a bond there. And we

1651
01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:35,200
Speaker 1: should note that in the books Otto in the in

1652
01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:39,599
Speaker 1: as Old King Jaharris was getting very very very old

1653
01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:44,560
Speaker 1: in his final days. In the books, Otto in a

1654
01:33:44,680 --> 01:33:49,080
Speaker 1: very similar way, sends Allison to go, like take care

1655
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:52,840
Speaker 1: of the elderly and ailing king. And it was said

1656
01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:56,320
Speaker 1: that King Jaharis thought like that he was that she

1657
01:33:56,560 --> 01:33:58,800
Speaker 1: was one of his daughters, like because he was so

1658
01:33:58,920 --> 01:33:59,760
Speaker 1: adult at that time.

1659
01:34:00,200 --> 01:34:00,960
Speaker 4: So Otto.

1660
01:34:02,479 --> 01:34:05,360
Speaker 1: Is looking to do that. He is looking to build

1661
01:34:05,560 --> 01:34:09,800
Speaker 1: bonds and bridges between the Targarian house and his own

1662
01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:12,040
Speaker 1: to lift up house high tower.

1663
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:15,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. It very much leads

1664
01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:20,559
Speaker 4: into the medieval kind of British monarchy influences on the show.

1665
01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:24,519
Speaker 4: It's very Henry the Eighth, the very very the royal family,

1666
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:28,080
Speaker 4: the locals around them send Oh my daughter, she's very

1667
01:34:28,200 --> 01:34:31,560
Speaker 4: good at, you know, cleaning and being a companion. She

1668
01:34:31,680 --> 01:34:34,880
Speaker 4: can read books. It has a very big vibe. So

1669
01:34:35,080 --> 01:34:36,720
Speaker 4: I like your answer to that. I think it's true

1670
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:38,559
Speaker 4: and generous, quite generous to all.

1671
01:34:39,439 --> 01:34:41,479
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, it's it's a sleazy thing to do,

1672
01:34:42,760 --> 01:34:43,160
Speaker 1: but it's not.

1673
01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:46,080
Speaker 4: It's still sleazy, but it's not as sleazy as it

1674
01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:46,599
Speaker 4: could have been.

1675
01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:49,759
Speaker 1: Right exactly, but it is absolutely sleazy.

1676
01:34:50,479 --> 01:34:54,280
Speaker 4: Ryo, Tom James and Nathan ask, how does the revelation

1677
01:34:54,439 --> 01:34:57,080
Speaker 4: of Agan's vision, his naming of the Song of Ice

1678
01:34:57,160 --> 01:35:00,120
Speaker 4: and Fire, and the Targarian secret change your view of

1679
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:03,200
Speaker 4: the overall narrative that ties these stories together.

1680
01:35:03,960 --> 01:35:07,080
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's huge. It's a huge reveal. And

1681
01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:08,920
Speaker 1: the thing that I can't stop thinking about and that

1682
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:12,320
Speaker 1: I've been texting my my Game of Throne a Song

1683
01:35:12,360 --> 01:35:13,960
Speaker 1: of Ice and Fire friends about is.

1684
01:35:15,439 --> 01:35:17,200
Speaker 2: How it would work, you know.

1685
01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:21,840
Speaker 1: So according to a Seris Agon had that dream. The

1686
01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:24,760
Speaker 1: dream is been passed as a secret from ruler to

1687
01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:30,920
Speaker 1: air since the days of the Conqueror. And it's not

1688
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:35,479
Speaker 1: as straightforward as it would appear. So okay, Agon and

1689
01:35:35,640 --> 01:35:39,280
Speaker 1: his sister Rainey's had a son I mentioned earlier in

1690
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:43,080
Speaker 1: the in the episode Anus aka the Deuce King Anus,

1691
01:35:43,560 --> 01:35:46,400
Speaker 1: he followed his dad Agon to the throne, became the

1692
01:35:46,479 --> 01:35:50,599
Speaker 1: second king of west Ross and so far very straightforward. Right,

1693
01:35:50,680 --> 01:35:54,640
Speaker 1: Agon is getting older, he names Anus's heir and he

1694
01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:59,200
Speaker 1: tells Anus the secret. Okay, Now, Anus was a weak king.

1695
01:36:00,360 --> 01:36:03,960
Speaker 1: He didn't fully appreciate the fire and blood that Agon

1696
01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:07,880
Speaker 1: expended to unite west Ros. He thought, oh, everybody loves us,

1697
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:10,240
Speaker 1: everybody loves the target, and so he was very surprised

1698
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:13,240
Speaker 1: when various challenges to his rule popped off as soon

1699
01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:16,599
Speaker 1: as Agon had died. And now here's this new young

1700
01:36:17,120 --> 01:36:22,880
Speaker 1: king that everybody wanted to test. And Anus's heir with

1701
01:36:23,080 --> 01:36:28,040
Speaker 1: his with his queen Alyssa Valarion was Prince Agon his

1702
01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:30,160
Speaker 1: son Agon, he named him after his dad.

1703
01:36:31,080 --> 01:36:32,280
Speaker 2: Now, when Anus.

1704
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:38,160
Speaker 1: Suddenly passed away on Dragonstone, his brother Magor, who was

1705
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:44,320
Speaker 1: the son of Queen Visenya, he had been in exile

1706
01:36:45,200 --> 01:36:50,200
Speaker 1: in Esos Visenya. As soon as she realized that King

1707
01:36:50,280 --> 01:36:53,639
Speaker 1: Anus had passed away, she flew to Esos to get him,

1708
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:59,040
Speaker 1: flew back, and Maygor seized power. So okay, how.

1709
01:36:58,960 --> 01:37:00,400
Speaker 2: Would this have worked? Right?

1710
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:00,680
Speaker 3: Who?

1711
01:37:01,240 --> 01:37:06,200
Speaker 1: Who told Magor the secret? Certainly if he wasn't supposed

1712
01:37:06,200 --> 01:37:11,639
Speaker 1: to be the heir? And then after that, how did

1713
01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:17,640
Speaker 1: Jaharis find out? Considering that Megor, you know, died in

1714
01:37:17,720 --> 01:37:20,000
Speaker 1: a in a really sudden way as well. Okay, so

1715
01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:22,719
Speaker 1: let's let's first, let's talk about MegaR first. So Maygor's

1716
01:37:22,720 --> 01:37:29,760
Speaker 1: attempts at siring heirs were very unsuccessful. He went through

1717
01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:33,280
Speaker 1: various methods, including marrying three women at once to try

1718
01:37:33,320 --> 01:37:37,880
Speaker 1: and maximize this opportunities to create heirs. None of it

1719
01:37:38,120 --> 01:37:41,719
Speaker 1: truly worked. Then came Jaharis, who wascended the throne age fourteen,

1720
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:46,280
Speaker 1: ruled for sixty four years. Right, okay, so how did

1721
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:49,080
Speaker 1: how did these two find out about this secret? The

1722
01:37:49,120 --> 01:37:54,000
Speaker 1: most straightforward answer I think is that Agon told his sisters.

1723
01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:57,960
Speaker 1: Agon told Vissenya and Rainey's, you know, when they were

1724
01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:01,000
Speaker 1: planning for the invasion. Maybe that's how he convinced them

1725
01:38:01,080 --> 01:38:02,400
Speaker 1: to do it, you know, because it's kind of a

1726
01:38:02,479 --> 01:38:04,479
Speaker 1: big ask right to be like, hey, let's invade this

1727
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:08,880
Speaker 1: entire continent with no army. So I you know, if

1728
01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:12,400
Speaker 1: Agon had a reason, a secret to tell them, a

1729
01:38:12,439 --> 01:38:17,439
Speaker 1: secret mission that only the Targerians could fulfill, maybe that

1730
01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:21,920
Speaker 1: is what motivaded them to support their brother. It's another

1731
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:25,120
Speaker 1: fascinating wrinkle to this is you know, in the books

1732
01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:30,040
Speaker 1: it said that Agon's best friend, his closest friend, was

1733
01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:33,880
Speaker 1: Orris Barrathian, the founder of Houseparathian. They were supposedly bastard brothers,

1734
01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:40,599
Speaker 1: and you wonder if Agon told ors. But anyway, Rainy's

1735
01:38:40,640 --> 01:38:44,439
Speaker 1: died in Dorn in like eight or nine AC during

1736
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:48,400
Speaker 1: the the the war to try and bring Dorn into

1737
01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:51,720
Speaker 1: the realm. Senya of course survived, and then her son,

1738
01:38:51,800 --> 01:38:54,560
Speaker 1: born in twelve AC, was Megor the Cruel. And we

1739
01:38:54,840 --> 01:38:57,960
Speaker 1: mentioned how when when King Anus died, she went and

1740
01:38:58,080 --> 01:39:00,120
Speaker 1: got Magor the Cruel and brought him back and he

1741
01:39:00,240 --> 01:39:05,120
Speaker 1: was crowned king. So if the sisters knew, okay, it's easy,

1742
01:39:05,280 --> 01:39:12,200
Speaker 1: Visenya just tells Magor the secret. Right now, Maygor ruled

1743
01:39:12,439 --> 01:39:16,599
Speaker 1: for And this is very cute. Six years and sixty

1744
01:39:16,640 --> 01:39:19,120
Speaker 1: six days aka sixty sixty six Just to let.

1745
01:39:19,080 --> 01:39:23,000
Speaker 2: You know that's not what a guy Maygor was.

1746
01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:27,600
Speaker 1: He died very suddenly after a very very violent and

1747
01:39:27,760 --> 01:39:31,840
Speaker 1: paranoid and bloody and despotic reign. He was found on

1748
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:35,320
Speaker 1: the throne with the blades of the iron throne like

1749
01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:43,479
Speaker 1: literally stabbing him, piercing his body, and King Jeharis was crowned. Okay,

1750
01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:48,519
Speaker 1: So from what we know about magor one, he didn't

1751
01:39:48,520 --> 01:39:50,560
Speaker 1: seem like the kind of person who's gonna in a

1752
01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:54,200
Speaker 1: very sober and responsible way tell his error about this

1753
01:39:54,360 --> 01:40:00,479
Speaker 1: incredible mission that house Targarian has. And also he died

1754
01:40:00,560 --> 01:40:04,040
Speaker 1: violently without we would we would assume a chance to

1755
01:40:04,160 --> 01:40:08,519
Speaker 1: tell anyone, and certainly not Jaharis the secret and Visenya

1756
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:12,320
Speaker 1: had passed some years earlier, so she couldn't have told Jaharis.

1757
01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:16,200
Speaker 1: Now Jeharris was the prisoner when he was a child

1758
01:40:16,360 --> 01:40:18,040
Speaker 1: of Visenya for a little while. But why would she

1759
01:40:18,120 --> 01:40:20,920
Speaker 1: tell him then, because there was no kind of indication

1760
01:40:21,160 --> 01:40:24,880
Speaker 1: that that Ja Harris would send to the throne at

1761
01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:32,559
Speaker 1: that time. So I was talking with my friend Aziz, who,

1762
01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:34,760
Speaker 1: along with his partner Shia, runs the history of wester

1763
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:37,479
Speaker 1: Ross pod uh and and the YouTube channel of the

1764
01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:41,400
Speaker 1: same name. They Are They Are They just know their stuff.

1765
01:40:41,720 --> 01:40:42,479
Speaker 2: They're the best.

1766
01:40:43,240 --> 01:40:47,240
Speaker 1: And uh Aziz brought up a good He had a

1767
01:40:47,280 --> 01:40:52,000
Speaker 1: good wrinkle to this, He said, what if what if

1768
01:40:52,040 --> 01:40:57,839
Speaker 1: it was Raina Targarian who who passed the info to Jaharis.

1769
01:40:57,880 --> 01:41:02,920
Speaker 1: So Raina Targarian was the daughter of King Anas and

1770
01:41:03,080 --> 01:41:06,160
Speaker 1: the wife and sister of the rightful Heir, Prince Agon,

1771
01:41:06,240 --> 01:41:12,200
Speaker 1: the one that Meegor usurped from, so she would later

1772
01:41:12,600 --> 01:41:16,600
Speaker 1: during the Magor years, she fled to fair Isle, was

1773
01:41:16,680 --> 01:41:20,479
Speaker 1: forced to wed Megor at one point. But she's got

1774
01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:23,360
Speaker 1: all these connections to people who potentially would have known,

1775
01:41:23,800 --> 01:41:28,680
Speaker 1: right she's King Anus's daughter. Might he have told her?

1776
01:41:29,640 --> 01:41:33,400
Speaker 1: Prince Agon, the heir certainly would have known from King Anas,

1777
01:41:33,479 --> 01:41:36,639
Speaker 1: so possibly when he was going off to fight Megor,

1778
01:41:37,200 --> 01:41:41,000
Speaker 1: Magor would kill him in battle, but perhaps understanding the

1779
01:41:41,120 --> 01:41:44,479
Speaker 1: danger he was in, was like, hey, I got to

1780
01:41:44,520 --> 01:41:46,519
Speaker 1: tell you this secret that my dad told me. And

1781
01:41:46,640 --> 01:41:50,400
Speaker 1: maybe that's how it lived on. She was called later

1782
01:41:50,520 --> 01:41:52,360
Speaker 1: on after the Magor year, she was called the Queen

1783
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:55,240
Speaker 1: in the West and then the Queen in the East, respectively,

1784
01:41:55,360 --> 01:41:57,479
Speaker 1: for when she stayed on fair Isle and then later

1785
01:41:57,600 --> 01:41:58,320
Speaker 1: on Dragonstone.

1786
01:41:58,360 --> 01:41:59,600
Speaker 2: And this was because.

1787
01:42:01,720 --> 01:42:04,599
Speaker 1: Taking you know the fact that she was a woman aside,

1788
01:42:05,960 --> 01:42:09,479
Speaker 1: it was you know, there was it was. It seemed

1789
01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:12,120
Speaker 1: like the succession could have passed through her because she

1790
01:42:12,240 --> 01:42:17,240
Speaker 1: was King Anus's daughter, and also she was the wife

1791
01:42:17,479 --> 01:42:21,920
Speaker 1: of the rightful heir Prince Agon, so it's possible. I

1792
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:25,559
Speaker 1: think she's a great suspect for being the person who

1793
01:42:25,720 --> 01:42:28,200
Speaker 1: told Jaharis now that there are now there are other

1794
01:42:28,520 --> 01:42:32,719
Speaker 1: really really interesting implications to this as well. So Agon

1795
01:42:32,840 --> 01:42:36,280
Speaker 1: the unlikely Agon the Fifth was the fifteenth Targarian king

1796
01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:40,599
Speaker 1: and the brother of Measter Amon, who we know from

1797
01:42:40,640 --> 01:42:43,680
Speaker 1: Game of Thrones, of the Night's Watch and a one

1798
01:42:43,760 --> 01:42:46,160
Speaker 1: time companion of the Hedge Night known as Sir Duncan

1799
01:42:46,439 --> 01:42:48,719
Speaker 1: the Tall, who if you've read the Duncan Egg stories

1800
01:42:48,760 --> 01:42:52,080
Speaker 1: you know about. So he came to power in kind

1801
01:42:52,120 --> 01:42:55,120
Speaker 1: of fluky circumstances. The king, the previous king had died.

1802
01:42:55,200 --> 01:42:57,000
Speaker 1: King Maker had died in a rebellion and there was

1803
01:42:57,040 --> 01:43:00,280
Speaker 1: no clear air. So a council gathered. They offer it

1804
01:43:00,360 --> 01:43:04,680
Speaker 1: to his brother Amon, who passed. He was like, I

1805
01:43:04,720 --> 01:43:06,000
Speaker 1: don't want to do it. You should give it to

1806
01:43:06,160 --> 01:43:08,840
Speaker 1: my brother Egg, and Amon took the black and went

1807
01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:13,000
Speaker 1: to the wall, and Egg became king. Now when Egg

1808
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:18,160
Speaker 1: ascended the realm was in the middle of a brutal,

1809
01:43:18,240 --> 01:43:22,640
Speaker 1: brutal winter, six year long winter, and later in his

1810
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:28,160
Speaker 1: reign he became obsessed with the idea that dragons needed

1811
01:43:28,200 --> 01:43:31,040
Speaker 1: to come back. He wanted to hatch these dragon eggs

1812
01:43:31,080 --> 01:43:34,920
Speaker 1: that he had, and so that's how he died. He

1813
01:43:35,200 --> 01:43:38,760
Speaker 1: was at the Targarian vacation palace of Summer Hall and

1814
01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:42,640
Speaker 1: apparently was doing some sort of ritual to try and

1815
01:43:42,880 --> 01:43:45,640
Speaker 1: hatch these dragon eggs, and the castle caught fire and

1816
01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:46,240
Speaker 1: he died.

1817
01:43:46,680 --> 01:43:47,839
Speaker 2: Now what if.

1818
01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:52,920
Speaker 1: You'd imagine if you knew this prophecy right, and all

1819
01:43:52,920 --> 01:43:55,080
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're a Targarian king and it's the

1820
01:43:55,200 --> 01:43:58,599
Speaker 1: middle of this long winter, the longest winter that anyone

1821
01:43:58,640 --> 01:44:00,920
Speaker 1: can remember, and it's really bad. You're thinking, oh shit,

1822
01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:04,120
Speaker 1: what if it's this one? What if it's this What

1823
01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:07,599
Speaker 1: if this is the winter of prophecy. I bet there's

1824
01:44:07,640 --> 01:44:11,240
Speaker 1: a good chance that if he, if egg On the

1825
01:44:11,320 --> 01:44:14,799
Speaker 1: fifth knew about this prophecy, he would be really concerned

1826
01:44:14,880 --> 01:44:18,080
Speaker 1: that that winter was the winter of prophecy. And maybe

1827
01:44:18,280 --> 01:44:20,960
Speaker 1: that's why he became so obsessed with trying to bring

1828
01:44:21,120 --> 01:44:24,280
Speaker 1: dragons back. All of a sudden, all these different elop

1829
01:44:24,680 --> 01:44:28,200
Speaker 1: areas some of these Targerian kings, like they change and

1830
01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:29,280
Speaker 1: they shift a little bit.

1831
01:44:29,320 --> 01:44:31,920
Speaker 2: And in addition the fact that.

1832
01:44:34,040 --> 01:44:39,799
Speaker 1: The fluky circumstances of his ascension, right, Master Amen, Master Amen,

1833
01:44:39,960 --> 01:44:43,000
Speaker 1: Prince Amen passed and then goes to the wall, and

1834
01:44:43,120 --> 01:44:46,719
Speaker 1: he goes to the wall with with with blood Raven

1835
01:44:47,360 --> 01:44:49,200
Speaker 1: formerly a rebel, and a hand to the king. All

1836
01:44:49,240 --> 01:44:53,240
Speaker 1: of a sudden, that looks like we'd a weird plan, right,

1837
01:44:53,800 --> 01:44:59,040
Speaker 1: like something like maybe acting on this understanding of the prophecy,

1838
01:44:59,720 --> 01:45:01,759
Speaker 1: they'd decided, you know what, we need to be close

1839
01:45:02,120 --> 01:45:04,360
Speaker 1: to winter, we need to be close to the lands

1840
01:45:04,400 --> 01:45:06,400
Speaker 1: of ice to kind of keep an eye on things.

1841
01:45:06,439 --> 01:45:09,200
Speaker 1: And you you stay here, king, and you try and

1842
01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:11,640
Speaker 1: hatch the dragons and maybe and we can attack it

1843
01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:16,880
Speaker 1: that way. So that's really that's that's the thing that

1844
01:45:16,960 --> 01:45:20,120
Speaker 1: I can't stop thinking about, is how this prophecy would

1845
01:45:20,160 --> 01:45:22,240
Speaker 1: have been passed on, how it would have worked. Did

1846
01:45:22,320 --> 01:45:25,200
Speaker 1: it get to King Aris, whose son, of course was

1847
01:45:25,240 --> 01:45:29,840
Speaker 1: Regar Tarragarian Uh, who was overthrown by Robert Brathian and

1848
01:45:29,880 --> 01:45:32,559
Speaker 1: then ended up being you know, killed by Jamie Lanister.

1849
01:45:33,439 --> 01:45:36,400
Speaker 1: Was he in the right mind ever to tell Regar?

1850
01:45:36,520 --> 01:45:38,840
Speaker 1: There's a lot of suggestion that he had that he

1851
01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:42,439
Speaker 1: had become very distrustful of his heir at a certain point.

1852
01:45:43,080 --> 01:45:45,920
Speaker 1: Be fascinating to know this. Another thing that my friend

1853
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:50,200
Speaker 1: Disease from History of West was brought up was Bailan,

1854
01:45:50,280 --> 01:45:58,679
Speaker 1: the Blessed King. Baylon was a religious extremist, and it's

1855
01:45:59,080 --> 01:46:02,719
Speaker 1: very possible that if this prophecy is written down anywhere

1856
01:46:03,960 --> 01:46:06,800
Speaker 1: fit Bailon would have hated it, I would have not

1857
01:46:07,200 --> 01:46:10,479
Speaker 1: liked and he would have had it purged. So there's

1858
01:46:10,520 --> 01:46:14,040
Speaker 1: a possibility that it was lost at that time. But

1859
01:46:14,160 --> 01:46:16,519
Speaker 1: I tell you, the actions of egg On the fifth

1860
01:46:17,880 --> 01:46:22,360
Speaker 1: seem they hit different now that we know about this prophecy,

1861
01:46:22,360 --> 01:46:23,559
Speaker 1: and it's just fun to think about.

1862
01:46:23,840 --> 01:46:26,040
Speaker 4: I totally agree, And as a prophecy lover, I will

1863
01:46:26,120 --> 01:46:28,759
Speaker 4: say I don't think this will be the answer because

1864
01:46:29,880 --> 01:46:32,519
Speaker 4: it feels a little bit too easy, But I wouldn't

1865
01:46:32,520 --> 01:46:37,160
Speaker 4: be surprised if maybe more than one person had the dream,

1866
01:46:37,640 --> 01:46:41,040
Speaker 4: you know, if it hadn't got passed down. Potentially they

1867
01:46:41,120 --> 01:46:43,280
Speaker 4: have the dream and they think they are the bearer

1868
01:46:43,439 --> 01:46:46,559
Speaker 4: only of that dream, and that could fill in some gaps.

1869
01:46:46,600 --> 01:46:47,799
Speaker 4: But I just love prophecies.

1870
01:46:48,560 --> 01:46:51,600
Speaker 1: The other the other question is like this is this

1871
01:46:51,840 --> 01:46:56,040
Speaker 1: written down anywhere. Yeah, it is in a world of.

1872
01:46:56,160 --> 01:46:59,080
Speaker 4: Masters and sparrows and spies and all this. It seems

1873
01:46:59,120 --> 01:47:01,400
Speaker 4: like there would be a version of it somewhere. But

1874
01:47:01,439 --> 01:47:03,280
Speaker 4: then the big question would be why didn't it ever

1875
01:47:03,400 --> 01:47:07,240
Speaker 4: get to Game of Thrones. Haesus asks there are at

1876
01:47:07,320 --> 01:47:10,920
Speaker 4: least two characters from Game of Thrones the possibilities to

1877
01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:14,160
Speaker 4: show up in hot Da Bran the one i'd Raven

1878
01:47:14,560 --> 01:47:17,519
Speaker 4: and Melissandra. I can see either one of those two

1879
01:47:17,600 --> 01:47:20,200
Speaker 4: showing up at some point to influence events to ensure

1880
01:47:20,240 --> 01:47:23,160
Speaker 4: a defeat of the Night King. What are the odds

1881
01:47:23,320 --> 01:47:25,680
Speaker 4: of these characters making an appearance? And who else from

1882
01:47:25,760 --> 01:47:27,639
Speaker 4: Thrones do you think could show up in the new show?

1883
01:47:28,320 --> 01:47:31,320
Speaker 1: It's interesting. I doubt we see Bran as a time

1884
01:47:31,400 --> 01:47:34,320
Speaker 1: traveler or Melissandra, just because I feel like the showrunners

1885
01:47:34,320 --> 01:47:36,680
Speaker 1: will probably think the audience would be confused by that.

1886
01:47:37,560 --> 01:47:42,240
Speaker 1: That said, it is possible that Melissandra is running around

1887
01:47:42,240 --> 01:47:42,599
Speaker 1: at this time.

1888
01:47:42,680 --> 01:47:43,800
Speaker 2: You know, we don't know.

1889
01:47:43,960 --> 01:47:48,560
Speaker 1: How old Melissandra is. Chris van Houghten, who played Melissandra,

1890
01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:52,880
Speaker 1: has been quoted as saying something like she's way over

1891
01:47:53,040 --> 01:47:56,639
Speaker 1: one hundred. Does that mean she was live during this time?

1892
01:47:56,720 --> 01:48:00,200
Speaker 1: We don't know, but again, I don't think we we

1893
01:48:00,320 --> 01:48:02,800
Speaker 1: see her, but I love the idea of her being

1894
01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:05,320
Speaker 1: in the mix somehow. During the time that this story

1895
01:48:05,439 --> 01:48:06,440
Speaker 1: is taking place.

1896
01:48:07,200 --> 01:48:11,000
Speaker 4: Dano asks did Otto and the Masters conspire to kill

1897
01:48:11,080 --> 01:48:13,560
Speaker 4: baby Baylon in order to clear the air so he

1898
01:48:13,640 --> 01:48:16,080
Speaker 4: could wed Ellstent to Visire's.

1899
01:48:15,680 --> 01:48:18,479
Speaker 1: Whoo, yeah that's is no no, no, no, no way,

1900
01:48:19,600 --> 01:48:22,160
Speaker 1: maister Melos in the whole realm in general would have

1901
01:48:22,200 --> 01:48:25,639
Speaker 1: been relieved if Bailon survived to bring stabilities to the realm.

1902
01:48:25,680 --> 01:48:26,240
Speaker 2: They want that.

1903
01:48:26,600 --> 01:48:31,360
Speaker 1: Even Otto would be like, thank god, you know now,

1904
01:48:32,800 --> 01:48:38,040
Speaker 1: it is not a uncommon thing for Targarian children to

1905
01:48:38,200 --> 01:48:41,360
Speaker 1: die in infancy, or for first of all, it's not

1906
01:48:41,400 --> 01:48:43,760
Speaker 1: an uncommon thing in this world for children to die

1907
01:48:43,960 --> 01:48:50,840
Speaker 1: in infancy period. The Targarians specifically had problems because they

1908
01:48:50,920 --> 01:48:56,519
Speaker 1: practiced incestuous marriage, which means that Targarians are a mixed

1909
01:48:56,560 --> 01:48:59,400
Speaker 1: bag in terms of their temperament see the Mad King

1910
01:49:00,280 --> 01:49:07,799
Speaker 1: and their overall health Maygor the cruel notably sired multiple

1911
01:49:08,040 --> 01:49:14,240
Speaker 1: children who were born still born and having physical deformations. Okay,

1912
01:49:14,320 --> 01:49:18,639
Speaker 1: so the genetic makeup is not great, and of course

1913
01:49:18,960 --> 01:49:23,000
Speaker 1: Targerian pregnancies are often troubled. Queen Emma, who is half

1914
01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:28,280
Speaker 1: Targary and half Erin, had numerous miscarriages, like many, many, many.

1915
01:49:28,680 --> 01:49:32,360
Speaker 1: Princess Rainio is the only one of King Vissaras and

1916
01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:36,080
Speaker 1: Queen Emma's children who survived to adulthood, but she was

1917
01:49:36,120 --> 01:49:40,320
Speaker 1: pregnant a lot before this, and none of those were

1918
01:49:40,360 --> 01:49:44,280
Speaker 1: successful successfully carried a term, so this is a not

1919
01:49:44,840 --> 01:49:45,599
Speaker 1: uncommon event.

1920
01:49:46,920 --> 01:49:50,000
Speaker 4: Joan and Calvin osk When you watch House of the Dragon,

1921
01:49:50,520 --> 01:49:53,080
Speaker 4: are there technological things that you notice that tell you

1922
01:49:53,200 --> 01:49:55,720
Speaker 4: where two hundred years prior to Game of Thrones? In

1923
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Speaker 4: Browns flashbacks on Game of Thrones, it always struck me

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Speaker 4: that the clothes gear look the same no matter where

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Speaker 4: we were in time. But I might have been and

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Speaker 4: continued to be missing a whole lot.

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Speaker 2: No, you're not.

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Speaker 1: Technology evolves extremely slowly in this world, and I think

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Speaker 1: the way to think about west Ros during this time

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Speaker 1: and Game of Thrones and House of Dragon is that

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Speaker 1: this is essentially the Dark Ages after the Doom of Valeria.

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Speaker 1: Valeria was like the most advanced, most powerful culture in

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Speaker 1: the world at that time, right they made like think

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Speaker 1: about Valerian steel, which was this incredible substance created through

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Speaker 1: the merging of spell casting and advanced metalwork, and after

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Speaker 1: the Doom, of course, that knowledge was completely lost, completely lost,

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Speaker 1: to the point that though there are various houses, families,

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Speaker 1: and in fact like entire cities in Essos where you know,

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Speaker 1: Valerian lineage is strong, the knowledge of how to make

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Speaker 1: more Vlarian steel did not survive. That was a tightly

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Speaker 1: held secret that even the Targarians don't know how to

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Speaker 1: do it. So in a sense, we're in a dark

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Speaker 1: ages where technology has really come down a significant notch

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Speaker 1: from the high point of old Valeria. So that's a

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Speaker 1: good way to I think that's the way I think

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Speaker 1: about it now.

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Speaker 2: There are other.

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Speaker 1: Moments in time, like in the in the far far

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Speaker 1: far history where you could feel technology change in a

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Speaker 1: way that was that altered the history of the kind

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Speaker 1: of like wider world, for instance, of the original human

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Speaker 1: inhabitants of Westros, where the so called first Men, and

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Speaker 1: they were displaced by the and dolls who came over

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Speaker 1: from Esos and invaded and eventually pushed the First Men

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Speaker 1: the you know, the almost all the way out of

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Speaker 1: the lands of West south of the North. And they

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Speaker 1: were able to do that because they had better steel,

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Speaker 1: like you know, better better warfare technology, and the first

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Speaker 1: Men is you know where they were still fighting with

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Speaker 1: bronze and stuff like that. So in the far far

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Speaker 1: past you can feel that that kind of like technology change,

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Speaker 1: but it's uh, it moves very very slowly. And again

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Speaker 1: it was really the Valerians who had the most advanced technology.

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Speaker 1: I think they had the pyromancers, they had wildfire, they

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Speaker 1: had Valarian steel, all that stuff. But that's mostly gone

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Speaker 1: now except for you know, the wildfire and pyromancy. But

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Speaker 1: most of that technology has been has been lost with

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Speaker 1: the destruction of old Valaria.

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Speaker 2: And that's it for this segment of Asked Them.

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Speaker 1: I don't miss the new HBO original series House of

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Speaker 1: the Dragon, streaming now on HBO Max and soon as

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Speaker 1: your questions had Askdthemeaster at gmail dot com. A big

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Speaker 1: thank you to Rosie Knight for joining us on Extra Vision. Rosie,

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Speaker 1: where do you have to plug?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 4: This weekend, I will not be there, but my amazing

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Speaker 4: collaborator Oliver Ono and our amazing cover artists Mark Martinez

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Speaker 4: will be at Nostalgic Comics in San Gabriel and I

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Speaker 4: signed a bunch of copies it's one of the only

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Speaker 4: shops that I know in the LA area that still

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Speaker 4: has copies.

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Speaker 2: I signed them.

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Speaker 4: Mark and Olive will be there to sign them, so

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Speaker 4: definitely make sure to go and jump on and see that.

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Speaker 4: You can follow me on Instagram at Rosie Mark So

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Speaker 4: I talk a lot about this podcast and comics and

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Speaker 4: other cool stuff, also on Letterbox and then here obviously. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: just before we wanted to go as well, we just

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Speaker 4: wanted to say thank you to everyone who emailed about

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Speaker 4: getting a copy of Godzilla Arrival with Versus Batcher, which

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Speaker 4: came especially from Jason's secret stash and some of the

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Speaker 4: Some the emails were just so lovely that we actually

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Speaker 4: just wanted to read a couple of them. So this

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Speaker 4: one came from Joe and it says, Hi, Jason and Rosie,

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Speaker 4: I'd love a copy of Godzilla Versus Batcher. I have

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Speaker 4: a seven year old son who loves listening to X

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Speaker 4: Ray Vision with me, though I have to be quick

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Speaker 4: with the mute button from time to time, understandable, and

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Speaker 4: has very recently gotten into comics after I managed to

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Speaker 4: get ahold of a bunch of my old comics from

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Speaker 4: the late eighties. His name is abe, and we've been

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Speaker 4: running a list of things that we want to do

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Speaker 4: when the virus goes away, the top of which is

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Speaker 4: to go into an actual comic show. I'm positive that

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Speaker 4: that would be so great. We can't wait for you

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Speaker 4: guys to do it. You'll have to tell us how

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Speaker 4: it goes. I'm positive that he would be over the

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Speaker 4: moon for a copy of Rosie's new comics in addition

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Speaker 4: to his growing collection. Thanks for your consideration. And I

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Speaker 4: cannot overstate how much this podcast has meant to him.

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Speaker 1: And I, Oh, that's so sweet. We've got it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Joe. Yeah, you got it.

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Speaker 4: You got it, And I'm so glad that it means

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Speaker 4: so much to you, and I really hope you enjoy

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Speaker 4: the comic. The good thing is this is a comic

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Speaker 4: that is suitable for both of you, so I'm very

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Speaker 4: happy that I went into it with that mindset, Jen says.

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Speaker 4: My husband and I love Xtra Vision. We listen every week.

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Speaker 4: You to such a delight and so knowledgeable. Thanks for

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Speaker 4: the pod. Thank you so much, Thank you for listening. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: thank you, Jessica. Our final email read says, Dear Rosie

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Speaker 4: and Jason X Ray team and Crooked team shouting out everyone.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for that, Jessica. I listen to your pod

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Speaker 4: every week. Love listening to your thoughts, breakdowns, recaps, and

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Speaker 4: critical musings of my favorite and soon to be favorite

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Speaker 4: films and shows. I would love to read Rosie's Godzilla issue.

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Speaker 4: When I was but a wee youngster, I would watch

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Speaker 4: Godzilla on TV, and when I was lucky, catch a

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Speaker 4: double feature our local theater on Saturdays. Now that I've

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Speaker 4: reached middle age and I'm thoroughly enjoying sharing all the

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Speaker 4: old flicks with my twelve year old and his buddies,

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Speaker 4: a fresh new comic is something I can enjoy, but

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Speaker 4: also something I can share with a bunch of kids

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Speaker 4: that really need to be pushed into reading. I hope

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Speaker 4: I made the cut. You guys rule Yay. Thank you Jessica.

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Speaker 1: You made it.

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Speaker 4: You did make the cut.

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Speaker 2: You made it, and I.

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Speaker 4: Hope the kids enjoy it and I hope that you

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Speaker 4: enjoy it. And thanks again to everyone who wrote in.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, if you write some reviews, you could also

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Speaker 4: hear them read out like that and hear us being

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Speaker 4: very stoked and grateful for your support of the Thank you.

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Speaker 1: plus the premier of Lord of the Rings, Rings of Power.

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Speaker 1: them here on the air. X ray Vision is a

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Speaker 1: Lord and Saul Rubin. The show is executive produced by

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Speaker 1: myself and Sandy's Rhard are editing in sound design, news

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Speaker 1: video production support. Alex Rellaford handle social media Thank you

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Speaker 1: Brian Vasquez for a theme music. See you next time.

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Speaker 6: Hey, Mike, it's his Dalvan Marine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I want to talk about the.

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Speaker 6: AS tournament today, Mike, Dave won Tugarian. Listen, this guy

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Speaker 6: is the prince of the city.

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Speaker 2: He's a great warrior.

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Speaker 1: We get it.

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Speaker 6: He rides the dragon Karaxies. You know, we understand what

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Speaker 6: the deal is, Mike. But listen, you got beat okay,

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Speaker 6: Kristen Cole. It was a good fight. It was a

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Speaker 6: good battle. And listen, we let it go when you

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Speaker 6: speared the horse. That's against the rules, but everybody let

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Speaker 6: it go because you're David Targarian. But then guess what,

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Speaker 6: you got your clock cleaned by Kristen Cole. And I'm sorry,

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Speaker 6: but you gotta shake the guy's hand.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I'm old fashioned, Mike, but I like to see that.

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Speaker 6: I like to see a little respect for your competitor.

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Speaker 6: When you get vested, be a man, stand up and

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Speaker 6: shake his hand. Don't bat his hand away like that. Mike.

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Speaker 6: What kind of lesson is that for the kids who

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Speaker 6: were watching, the kids who sit there and they're getting

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Speaker 6: blood splattered on them. His heads are exploded and chopped off,

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Speaker 6: and now they got to see the worst thing they

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Speaker 6: see all day, which is the Prince of the city,

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Speaker 6: Prince Damon, acting like a schmuck who can't just shake

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Speaker 6: a guy's hand because he got beat.

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Speaker 1: I'll take my ants off the air, Mike, thank you,