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Speaker 1: Fred John Lmley Crime Online. Friday, May twenty second, Memorial

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Speaker 1: Day weekend is about to begin, but just before nine am,

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Speaker 1: a neighbor notices a man standing at the end of

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Speaker 1: Ted de Murrs driveway. Suspicious. The neighbor sends the sixty

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Speaker 1: Connecticut State Police are called to a reported disturbance on

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Speaker 1: they find Ted de Murs dead and another man hurt.

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Speaker 1: Demur's wife of forty two years, Cynthia, tells the Hartford

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Speaker 1: report notes Demurs cause of death sharp force and chop

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Speaker 1: injuries of head with sharp force, injuries of torso and extremities.

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Speaker 1: A sixty two year old woodworkers found hacked dead, chop

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Speaker 1: all star panel, of course, we're talking about twenty three

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Speaker 1: year old Yukon stitent Peter Manfredonia with me. Ashy Wilcott,

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Speaker 1: her at Ashy Wilcott dot com. Doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned

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Speaker 1: psycho Ana's joining me out of Beverly Hills at doctor

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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall dot com. Cloyd Steiker thirty six years Seattle

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Speaker 1: PD twenty two homicide and author of Seattle's Forgotten serial

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Speaker 1: Killer Gary Jane Grant, Cloyd Steiger dot com, Professor Forensics,

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, death investigator, author of Blood Beneath My

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Speaker 1: Feet on Amazon. Joseph Scott Morgan, but first to Levi

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Speaker 1: Page Crime Online dot com investigative reporter LEVI take a

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Speaker 1: listen to what our friends at WFSB three Constate Police

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Speaker 1: with what a machete? He was hacked with a machete, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: out a tro o Tipperari's training order against Peter Manfredonia. Correct,

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Speaker 1: I don't normally think of somebody carrying a machete and

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Speaker 1: sixty two year old Ted de Murs with a machete.

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Speaker 1: De Murs was a good samaritan who was offering him

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Speaker 1: a ride that cost him his life. Unfortunately. I spoke

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Speaker 1: to Ted demurs widow and daughter in law, Cindy and

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Speaker 1: Molly Demurs. He always knew how to pull somebody out of,

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Speaker 1: you know, a difficult spot by making them laugh and

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Speaker 1: making them happy. Huge presence. He really was a huge presence.

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Speaker 1: The next slang victim was twenty three year old Nick Eisl,

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Speaker 1: a friend of man Fordonia's. Police say this was the

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Speaker 1: second stop in that brutal crimes free Nick Eisel was

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Speaker 1: upstairs with his girlfriend. Police say that he was brutally murdered,

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Speaker 1: his girlfriend kidnapped. This neighbor lives downstairs. Guys, by this time,

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Speaker 1: of course, please are going out by the family to

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Speaker 1: turn yourself in. Apparently this guy had never been in

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Speaker 1: trouble before. Take a listen now to our friends at

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Speaker 1: WFSB three, a police presser where they are begging for

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Speaker 1: man for Donia to turn himself in. My message is

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Speaker 1: to Peter directly. Peter, We've talked to your family, We've

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Speaker 1: talked to your friends and your roommates. All of them

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Speaker 1: have said the same thing, that this behavior is out

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Speaker 1: of the ordinary for you. We know this is not

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Speaker 1: who you are. Peter. I want you to know that

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Speaker 1: we are continuing our investigation. The one thing we are

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Speaker 1: missing right now is you. We want you to be

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Speaker 1: able to tell your story. We are here to listen

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Speaker 1: to you, your parents, your friends, all of us back

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Speaker 1: here in Connecticut want a peaceful end to this. Your

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Speaker 1: family is hired an attorney on your behalf, and your

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Speaker 1: rights will be safeguarded. We are waiting to hear from you.

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Speaker 1: We want to hear from you. Please call nine. Let

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Speaker 1: us know where you are. We want to resolve this

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Speaker 1: in a safe way. Please call us. We are listening.

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Speaker 1: We are waiting here to listen to you. You know

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Speaker 1: I'm listening to what they are saying to doctor Bethany Marsh,

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Speaker 1: what do you make the plea for him to mamfordone

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Speaker 1: to in things peacefully? I mean, is that even possible.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's possible at all. I think he's

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Speaker 1: on a killing rampage. At this point, Nancy, when I

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Speaker 1: was listening to this, I was thinking about a patient

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Speaker 1: in my Beverly Hills office in her fifties, lovely, professional, poised, calm, cool, collected,

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Speaker 1: and whenever there's a school shooting, she says to me, calmly,

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Speaker 1: you know, I was bullied when I was in high school.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I wish I could go kill the people who

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Speaker 1: bullied me. And it always seems to come from out

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Speaker 1: of the blue. But what we know from risk assessment

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Speaker 1: for violence is that this might be similar to a

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Speaker 1: school shooting or a workplace shooting, where what you see

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Speaker 1: is that the person feels they're what we call injustice collectors.

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Speaker 1: They feel wronged by society. They feel that there's a

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Speaker 1: power and balance between them and other people. They imagine

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Speaker 1: themselves to have been bullied, and they haven't ax to

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Speaker 1: grind and they want to straighten everybody out who they

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Speaker 1: perceived to have slided or injured them along the way.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's the nexus of all these victims.

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Speaker 1: Either a girl who refuses to date him, maybe a

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Speaker 1: friend in high school who I don't know got a

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Speaker 1: position on the football team that he didn't get. People

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Speaker 1: who he thinks were favored or gotten more than he

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Speaker 1: did from the school teachers. But in this case it

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Speaker 1: terms homicidal. And back to your comment about the family

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Speaker 1: pleeing for him to turn himself in peaceably, He's not

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Speaker 1: going to. This is like a murder suicide. He's going

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Speaker 1: to go down trying to kill everybody around him who

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Speaker 1: thinks has wronged him. That's going to be his emo.

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Speaker 1: The hunt is on for Manfredonia. His EMO is very

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Speaker 1: difficult to discern because while his attacks seemingly they are

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Speaker 1: at random people he doesn't know, there are also targets

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Speaker 1: he does know. He didn't know Ted Demurs, he didn't

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Speaker 1: know Isisley's girlfriend. Yet they were tangental collateral damage, tangential

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Speaker 1: to the targets he was focusing on. And then a

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Speaker 1: firefighter steps and take a listen to w FSB Elliott Polakoff,

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Speaker 1: Police and Derty Pennsylvania then said a firefighter spotted a

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Speaker 1: man with a large backpack on Tuesday night. When the

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Speaker 1: firefighter asked the man, who fit the description of Manfredonia,

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Speaker 1: what he was doing, the man fled toward nearby railroad tracks.

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Speaker 1: Then earlier today another photo of Manfredonia. This time at

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Speaker 1: a Seat's Convenience store in Chambersburg, Pennsylvania. Police also reporting

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Speaker 1: today that they had recovered a storm black Hunday Santa

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Speaker 1: fe that Manfredonia was believed to have been driving. Police

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Speaker 1: also released surveillance video saying that Manfredonia had taken an

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Speaker 1: uber to Hagerstown, Maryland, where he remained at large until

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Speaker 1: just over an hour ago. Connecticut State Police have announced

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Speaker 1: that more information on Manfredonia's capture will be provided tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Hagerstown police reported that Manfredonia was taken into custody by

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Speaker 1: the US Marshall's and Washington County Sheriff's Office. There are

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Speaker 1: also reports of a foot chase having taken place, But

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Speaker 1: how did he go down? Here's John Limley Crime Online.

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Speaker 1: University of Connecticut student Peter Manfredonia is accused of killing

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Speaker 1: two people and kidnapping another. The twenty three year old

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Speaker 1: leads police on a six day manhunt, stretching from Connecticut

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Speaker 1: to Maryland. Police describe Manfredonia as being about six foot

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Speaker 1: four inches tall and wearing red sneakers. On the night

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Speaker 1: of Wednesday, May twenty seventh, while being briefed on Manfredonia's description,

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Speaker 1: an investigator points to a man of that height nearby,

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Speaker 1: and the detective delivering the briefing notices his red sneakers.

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Speaker 1: The side view profile of him also matches photos of Manfredonia.

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Speaker 1: The man wanted by cops across the country is a

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Speaker 1: mere twenty feet away. The team immediately goes to Manfredonia

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Speaker 1: with guns drawn. They tell him to get on the ground.

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Speaker 1: Manfredonia cooperates. He also willingly walks law enforcement about two

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Speaker 1: hundred yards away from the arrest site to a black

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Speaker 1: bag with a weapon inside. A motive for the attacks

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Speaker 1: is still unknown. The more we dig into Manfredonia's background,

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Speaker 1: the more questions there are. What we are learning right

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Speaker 1: now is that Manfredonia was captured and is seemingly quote

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Speaker 1: tired and confused, tired and scared. Manfredonia arrested at gunpoint

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Speaker 1: near a Maryland truck stop. He is now a suspect

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Speaker 1: in two homicides and multiple other crimes. But listen to

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Speaker 1: what we learn about Manfredonia's thinking. Take listen to our

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Speaker 1: friend at Inside Edition. Please surrender. It's a heartfelt plea

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Speaker 1: for a University of Connecticut senior to turn himself in

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Speaker 1: before it's too late. Twenty three year old Peter Manfredonia

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Speaker 1: is on the run today, the subject of a nationwide

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Speaker 1: man hunt. Photos obtained by Inside Edition reportedly show ominous

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Speaker 1: scribblings on the wall of his former dorm room. We

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Speaker 1: saw what happened when Adam snapped. Now they see what

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Speaker 1: happens when I snap. That's believed to refer to Adam Lanza,

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Speaker 1: the disturbed young man who slaughtered twenty six people in

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Speaker 1: the Sandy Hook massacre in two thousand and twelve. The

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Speaker 1: Inside Edition obtained video of Manfredonia in his car taken

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Speaker 1: four years ago. Now his family's lawyer is speaking out.

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Speaker 1: Your parents, your sisters, your grandmother, your aunt. You know

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Speaker 1: they love you. They want a safe conclusion to this. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we definitely need a shrink to doctor Bethany Marshall. Inside

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Speaker 1: his dorm room are found scribblings on the wall stating,

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Speaker 1: look what happened when Adam Lansa snapped? See what will

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Speaker 1: happen when I snap? Jump him? This is beginning to

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Speaker 1: form a pattern in my mind. And one of the

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Speaker 1: things we know about workplace shootings, school shootings, mass murder

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Speaker 1: is usually the homicide is contemplated for some time before

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Speaker 1: the perpetrator actually goes out and kills. We know that

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Speaker 1: almost always they write about the crime, either online in

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Speaker 1: a diary, they start emailing and texting people. The fact

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Speaker 1: that he did it on his dorm room wall means

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Speaker 1: he could have been in some kind of a manic state.

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Speaker 1: I don't mean that that's an excuse for homicide, but

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Speaker 1: he was a little disorganized in his attempts, meaning a machete,

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Speaker 1: walking down a road, riding on a dorm room wall,

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Speaker 1: and then days and it confused afterwards, and I am

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Speaker 1: wondering if they're saying he was depressed. He put on

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Speaker 1: some kind of a medication that also flipped him into

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Speaker 1: a manic state. That's not uncommon for people who are

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Speaker 1: depressed to be put on an anidepressant, and then that

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Speaker 1: unleashes an underlined bipolar condition. But again, that wouldn't make

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Speaker 1: him homicidal. It just means that this fifth of what

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Speaker 1: we know about so many different shootings right now, evaluations

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Speaker 1: being done to determine his state of mind, his mental capacity.

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Speaker 1: As the victim's families mourn, we wait as justice Unfalds.

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Speaker 1: Peter Manfredonia behind Bars, Nancy Grace crime Story signing off

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Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,