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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Monday, February ninth. We are

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Speaker 1: hopping on here because Savannah Guthrie has put out a

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Speaker 1: new video making another desperate plea, but this time not

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Speaker 1: potential kidnappers, but to the public. Welcome to this episode

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Speaker 1: of Amy and TJ. Robes. We have been desperate, everybody

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Speaker 1: for information, official information. We didn't get a whole lot

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Speaker 1: more from the video, but in tone and context we

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Speaker 1: might have learned a lot.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think with this latest video from Savannah you

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Speaker 2: can read between the lines, and certainly the differences between

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Speaker 2: the video the siblings put out over the weekend versus

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Speaker 2: today a complete one point eighty. So this weekend we

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Speaker 2: heard from Savannah was doing the talking, but she was

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Speaker 2: flamed by her brother and her sister, and she was

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Speaker 2: speaking directly to a kidnapper, and she was saying, we

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Speaker 2: heard you, we understand, we will pay all of this right.

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Speaker 2: So everyone jumped to those conclusions that there must have

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Speaker 2: been some communication that happened, But today completely and totally

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Speaker 1: Now there was, at least, we should note Robes, one

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Speaker 1: ransom note that was into a TV station that did

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Speaker 1: have a Monday deadline attached. Don't know if she was

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Speaker 1: putting this out, but it didn't sound like, at least

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Speaker 1: in this video Robes that she is speaking to kidnapper.

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Speaker 1: She is now speaking to the public. She used the

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Speaker 1: word desperation, but Robes, even if she hadn't used it,

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Speaker 1: we would have this sounded like she is they are

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Speaker 1: almost defeated and just what do we do? She sounded desperate.

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Speaker 3: It's gutting to hear her.

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Speaker 2: And look, we've watched her be understandably emotional and urgent

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Speaker 2: and deliberate, and actually this the video before this one,

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Speaker 3: Seemed like she had a purpose.

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Speaker 2: And so there was almost like a newfound strength in

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Speaker 2: feeling like we will pay. We have a way out,

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Speaker 2: you know, we will, We will find our way through this,

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Speaker 2: we will get our mom back. There was a I

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Speaker 2: felt like over the weekend she had hope. This last

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Speaker 2: video sounded like the opposite. She sounded, yes, desperate, she

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Speaker 2: said they were desperate, but there was almost a feeling

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Speaker 1: It also didn't sound like she's in communication or feels

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Speaker 1: she is in communication with a true kidnapper and is

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Speaker 1: actually negotiating. It doesn't sound that way from this video,

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Speaker 1: and we're certainly gonna we're gonna play the relevant part.

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Speaker 1: It's about a minute and forty seconds long, but the

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Speaker 1: we're only gonna play you the last bit of it here.

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Speaker 1: But it for me, Robes, it didn't sound like it

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Speaker 1: sounded the previous one, Like you said, Okay, they feel

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Speaker 1: like they're talking to somebody, everybody what happened.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody wants a plan, a way out, a way forward.

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Speaker 2: Tell me what I need to do and I will

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Speaker 2: do it. And that's where they were, And they sounded like, okay, cool,

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Speaker 2: we've we've somehow been in communication with this person, even

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Speaker 2: if it might have been a bizarre way of communicating

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Speaker 2: through a local TV affiliate. But okay, that has happened before.

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Speaker 2: We've seen it happen before. So it did seem hopeful.

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Speaker 2: This one sounded like, we actually don't know what to do.

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Speaker 2: We don't know where we are, we don't know where

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Speaker 2: she is. Can anyone and she.

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Speaker 3: You'll hear it. She even is appealing to anyone outside

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Speaker 3: of the Tucson area. Oh yeah, she's like anyone.

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Speaker 2: In the country who sees or knows of anything. Please,

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Speaker 2: we'll take it. We'll take any tip.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So before we play this last half of it.

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Speaker 1: The first part was essentially a thank you right to everybody,

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Speaker 1: saying law enforcement is doing everything they can think we

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Speaker 1: and then she got into I guess robes. The last

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Speaker 1: on some clues and what she's saying and even how

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Speaker 1: she's sang it. So here is Savannah Guthrie video put

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Speaker 1: out a just a short time ago. This is the

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Speaker 1: second half of that video. Here is what she says

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Speaker 1: to the public.

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Speaker 4: We believe our mom is still out there. We need

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Speaker 4: your help. Law enforcement is working tirelessly around the clock

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Speaker 4: trying to bring her home, trying to find her. She

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Speaker 4: your help. So I'm coming on just to ask you,

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Speaker 4: not just for your prayers, but no matter where you are,

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Speaker 4: even if you're far from Tucson, if you see anything,

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Speaker 4: you hear anything, if there's anything at all that seems

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Speaker 4: strange to you that you report to law enforcement. We

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Speaker 4: are at an hour of desperation.

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Speaker 1: And we need your out robes. I thought that was

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Speaker 1: and I cannot believe that's the case here in the

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Speaker 1: second week. How many days are we in a week?

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Speaker 1: In two days? Three days at.

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Speaker 2: Her disappearance, Yeah, this is I believe if she was

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Speaker 2: last seen on Saturday at nine forty five pm.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're on day nine. Correct.

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Speaker 2: And obviously, with even her medical history and the fact

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Speaker 3: To survive and also to not be in pain, it just.

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Speaker 2: Seems surreal that she would still be somewhere with someone

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Speaker 2: put out Now, how many.

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Speaker 3: Videos has it been now, one, two, three, four?

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Speaker 2: This is the fourth video, and this is I believe

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Speaker 2: the first one significantly, since we heard of a ransom

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Speaker 2: note where she or the siblings did not address a

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Speaker 2: potential kidnapper. Never in this video did we hear her

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Speaker 2: talk to or talk about a kidnapper. And that is

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Speaker 1: The brother's last one was that we need we need

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Speaker 1: to know that you have her proof of life, so

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Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like they have gotten that anywhere. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't seem like Ropes. They have gone from thinking they're

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Speaker 1: communicating with a kidnapper and via social media to now

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Speaker 1: this one. They're not addressing any potential kidnapper, and there

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Speaker 1: are plenty of people that don't think there's a kidnapper

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Speaker 1: at all. Ropes. This is we were talking about this

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Speaker 1: earlier at lunch. This is the wildest mystery crime of

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Speaker 1: a lifetime for a lot of reasons. But Robes, well,

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Speaker 1: this makes no sense.

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Speaker 2: It makes no sense because some of the other crimes

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Speaker 2: this John Man a Ramsey where you're so confused.

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Speaker 3: There was a ransom note.

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Speaker 2: They did obviously find her body very quickly, but no

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Speaker 2: one still knows to this day who killed her, why

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Speaker 2: she died. This mystery of the not knowing, and this

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Speaker 2: falls right now into that category where sure you can

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Speaker 2: suggested in some media circles, but police have staunchly said

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Speaker 2: there are no suspects, there are no persons of interest,

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Speaker 2: there is no vehicle of interest.

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Speaker 3: We've heard all.

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Speaker 2: I mean, actually NBC News, which I said I felt

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Speaker 2: more comfortable relying upon because Savannah obviously works for them,

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Speaker 2: and they would be taking extra precautions to make sure

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Speaker 3: But they were the ones to say that.

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Speaker 2: A circle k owner or someone who was working there

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Speaker 2: verified the police had a vehicle of interest that they supplied.

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Speaker 3: The surveillance video.

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Speaker 2: But then you've got the police coming out and refuting it, saying,

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Speaker 2: we don't have a vehicle of interest.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing, There is nothing at this point, and rugs.

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Speaker 1: We have gone through and you and I we don't

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Speaker 1: want to do all the speculating in public, but in private,

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Speaker 1: everybody is.

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Speaker 3: Everybody is they trying to come up with a scenario.

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Speaker 1: We spent time in Santa Clara and the Bay Area

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Speaker 1: for the Super Bowl. Everyone this was the thing. Hi, Hey,

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Speaker 1: how you guys doing great? Ooh what do you think

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Speaker 1: is going on with Savannah Guthrie's bomb.

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Speaker 2: Every single person, it did not matter age, it did

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Speaker 2: not matter matter what they.

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Speaker 3: Did for a living, what they looked like.

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Speaker 2: Every single person from all walks of life wanted to

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Speaker 1: And you know what, when they asked, we gave them

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Speaker 1: our opinion. We'll give it to you when we come back.

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Speaker 1: Stay here, and all right, we continue here on Amy

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Speaker 1: and TJ. Savannah Guthri putting out another desperate plea, this

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Speaker 1: time not to kidnappers potential kidnappers, but this time to

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Speaker 1: the public, saying, no matter where you are Tucson, near

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Speaker 1: or far, please if you see anything, keep an eye

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Speaker 1: out in report. She's a there an hour of desperation

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Speaker 1: right now, Robes, I look these investigators. I know folks

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Speaker 1: have been critical of the sheriff out there and how

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Speaker 1: he's handled himself and some of the press briefings. Generally speaking,

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Speaker 1: I think cops know what they're doing. Generally speaking, I

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Speaker 1: think investigators know what they're doing, and most of them

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Speaker 1: believe that anyone who's criticizing or haven't done this, and

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Speaker 1: haven't they figured out that. I have to believe, Robes

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Speaker 1: that if all of the attention on this case and

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Speaker 1: all the federal resources now on it, if they still

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Speaker 1: got nothing, my mind is even more boggled. How is

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Speaker 1: it possible, Robes, we got nothing on this lady exactly?

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Speaker 2: And to your point, This isn't just some Pima County

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Speaker 2: Sheriff's department fumbling a major story because they aren't ready

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Speaker 2: for prime time. From the very beginning, when it was

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Speaker 2: immediately known that this was Savannah Guthrie's mom, there was

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Speaker 2: national attention and national resources available almost immediately.

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Speaker 3: So this isn't a case of.

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Speaker 2: Cops bungling something or not doing their job because they

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Speaker 2: weren't prepared. Every single possible resource available to anyone in

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Speaker 2: this country has been given and sent to this investigation,

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Speaker 2: and we are still where we are. That definitely says something.

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Speaker 2: And I actually want to know what you think, babe,

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Speaker 2: because the last time, obviously we saw the civil put

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Speaker 2: something out this weekend, but before that, there was a

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Speaker 2: message from Savannah's brother Cameron that coincided directly with the

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Speaker 2: deadline there. As you pointed out before the break, there

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Speaker 2: is a or was another deadline today by five pm,

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Speaker 2: reportedly demanding six million dollars. Do you think that that

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Speaker 2: could be tied with this latest video?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because it happened the last time, you have to

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Speaker 1: wonder why, And we noted in the video it didn't

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Speaker 1: seem like it was that well prepared. It didn't wry,

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Speaker 1: so she just hopped on because I got to get

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Speaker 1: something out. It felt that way, and so yes, that

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Speaker 1: would make sense. I the speculation part is very, very difficult.

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Speaker 1: But this is not They keep saying, we believe she

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Speaker 1: was taken. Okay, let's go with that. Where is the

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Speaker 1: evidence and there's gotta be evidence that that woman was

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Speaker 1: taken from there physically, right, so we have to know that.

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Speaker 1: Is it fair to say? Is that the most certain

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Speaker 1: thing we have that she was taking? Forget the ransom part,

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Speaker 1: but what she'd taken against her will? She had to

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Speaker 1: be she didn't leave home, right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, because she left her phone, she left her wallet,

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Speaker 2: she left her vehicle. No reasonable person would leave those

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Speaker 2: taken against their will.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so she was taken, So let's go with percentages, robes.

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Speaker 1: Who's abducting eighty four year old women with medical issues? Nobody?

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Speaker 1: Those chances are really low possible. This could be a

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Speaker 1: flucish case, right, But if you go with the chances

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Speaker 1: and the odds, it's just not happening. So what's the

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