WEBVTT - How ESP Works(?) 0:00:01.120 --> 0:00:04.600 Welcome to stuff you should know from house stuff Works 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:13.520 dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, 0:00:13.640 --> 0:00:18.200 There's Charles w Chuck Bryant, and Jerry's over there. I 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:22.639 didn't even have to look why, I just knew, yes, 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:27.120 and dudes and do debts. We are in our new studio. Yeah, 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:29.760 can you tell? Does its sound different? It's the very 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:33.440 first one and um it's tiny. Wait what do you mean? 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:36.040 It's the very first one, very very first podcast we 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:40.800 recorded in here. Yeah, I was gonna say, I said tiny, 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:43.319 but it's not tiny. It's cozy. But it is our 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:47.680 all ours, Yeah, how ours. Everybody else at house Stuff 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:51.120 Works doesn't really know that yet, but they will. Uh yeah, 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:54.600 because when we actually have butt detection and when someone 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:56.320 sits down these seats that aren't LSD to get a 0:00:56.320 --> 0:00:59.280 shock and plus an alarm goes off at our desks, 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:05.000 what's called d M R T M. I how are you, sir? 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:08.160 I'm pretty good. I feel like this is fancy. This 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:13.160 is our first real like studio. That's not true, not no, 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:15.800 I'm trying to remember the last one was no. But 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:18.360 it's not a utility closet. It's not a lactation room. 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:21.000 It's not Yeah, it's not a murder room. It's not 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:25.440 like an office with like desk for like office furniture. Yeah, 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:27.920 it's a it's a studio that was built out for 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:31.399 the specific purpose of recording podcasts. All we have to 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:34.839 do is put up our Aaron Cooper originals. The artwork, 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:37.200 got a couple of those waiting, and we gotta work 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:40.160 on the lighting in here a little bit. Yeah, Jerius, 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:43.000 it's such gonna hang some china balls for us. Yes, 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:47.200 you keep pushing the china balls. Um so, anyway, enough 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:49.440 about that. We just wanted to say we're super excited 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:51.480 to be in our new office, in our new studio. 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:59.600 It does feel good. Kudos for that intro. I'm not 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:03.080 gonna say that. I knew you were going to say that. Yeah, 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:05.840 I was going to say that too. I knew that 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:10.240 you were thinking of saying that. Chuck. Yes, uh ESP. 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:14.280 Do you believe in ESP? No? No, not at all. 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:18.200 What do you think it is? Because surely, I mean 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:22.560 just about anyone could agree that humans have some sort 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:28.400 of ability somehow to make good guesses or to the future, 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:30.760 whatever you want to call it. Do you agree or 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:35.840 do you think it's strictly just us selectively paying attention 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:41.000 to random instances over others. I think it's that. And yeah, 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:44.160 and as we'll talk about, I think it's the just 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:49.280 the nature of coincidence is going to happen because so 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:54.000 many things happen every day, Uh, that something is bound 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:57.680 to seem like something you dreamed about the night before 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:00.960 at some point in your life. Yeah. But the other 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:04.040 millions of dreams you have that, don't I think those 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:06.920 are the ones that are the the tell you know, 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:11.800 do you? I don't know, like I want to. I 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:14.919 spent so many years of my life believing and stuff 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:18.400 like that and wanting to go to to Duke University 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:22.240 to study at their paras psychology department believe. Yeah, and 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:24.880 but you know, believing in ghosts and all this and 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:27.560 just that's how I spent my childhood just reading about 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:31.080 stuff like that voraciously. So Ghostbusters really did a number 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:34.320 on you. Yeah. Yeah. When that came along, I was like, 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:39.800 this was made for me. Um. But as an adult, 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:43.040 it's not so much that I believe in the esp 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:48.480 it's more that I UM, I refused to just utterly 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:52.280 disbelieve in the possibility of it. Okay, you know what 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:54.440 I mean. Yeah, I got you there, because we don't 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:58.400 know everything about everything yet, right, but uh yeah, I'm 0:03:58.400 --> 0:03:59.840 in the I'm the other camp. And I'm not even 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:03.440 say the skeptic camp because there's people just plug me 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:08.440 bad name some due to some bad apples. Not all skeptics, 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:13.280 but there are some that are horses asses. Can we 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:17.080 say that? I don't know, we'll find out. Um, All right, 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:19.240 well let's talk about And I thought this was interesting 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:22.919 because I never knew that uh ESP is just a 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:28.200 big collective term for all manner of uh paranormal paranormal phenomena, 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:31.440 which you could also call SI. Yeah, and so dude 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:34.200 named jb Ryan, who will talk about later, he coined 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:38.160 ESP the granddaddy. And then in the forties another guy 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:42.440 coined the term sigh and sigh is the Greek letter 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:46.000 and it's equated with psyche or the soul. And the 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:49.719 reason that the guy chose SI is because he felt 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:55.760 ESP suggested it was something supernatural, and SI, he felt, 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:59.120 suggested that this is a normal part of humanity we 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:04.679 just don't understand and it's it sounds like science, right, Um. 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:08.640 But there are several categories of ESP UM and this 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:11.080 is the one. I never knew the actual definitions for these. 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:13.400 I sort of just threw them all in a bag together. 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:16.599 You have telepathy, and that's when you can you know, 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:19.400 you're over there reading my thoughts. Yes, like Chuck is 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:21.640 really not happy to be in the new studio. That's 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:23.320 not true. He'd rather be at home on the couch. 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:25.160 I'm reading your thoughts right now, and I know that 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:30.560 you like this place. Okay, Well, you're you're a telepath. Uh. Clairvoyance, 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:34.200 which is the ability to see events or things objects 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:37.760 happening somewhere else at the same time. So are you 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:40.680 doing Are you a clairvoyant? I am. I'm seeing your 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:43.560 couch right now, and I'm saying it's not that comfy. Yeah, 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:45.719 so you're not missing that much at the moment. I 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:50.440 know somewhere Jonathan Strickland is waxing his head, bald head. 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:54.160 That's just the logical assumption. Uh. Then we have our 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:59.560 precogs precognition. That's when you see into the future. Retrocogs 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:02.720 retro cognition. You can see into the distant past. That's 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:07.400 there's another um that's a widely accepted definition of retrocognition, 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:10.440 like seeing you know a cave like took took running 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:13.159 around with the dinosaurs like you do, which I guess 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:18.080 never would have happened. Um. But there's another term for retrocognition, 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:22.320 whereas something in the future affects something in the past. 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:25.680 So a decision you make in the future affects your past. 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:29.200 And an example given is that, um, you have a 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:35.400 dream about a dinosaur. Now, let's a spotted dog, and 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:38.000 then the first thing the next morning, you go outside 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:40.440 to water your lawn and the same spotted dog or 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:44.200 a similar spotted dog walks by. The idea isn't that 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:47.479 that was very coincidental or that you had esp and 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:50.400 your dreams, but that you seeing that dog in the 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:55.320 morning affected your dream the night before. So that's another 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:58.760 definition that's emerging for retrocognition. That's getting a lot of 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:02.040 traction because of the stuff we're finding on the quantum scale, 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:05.440 just weirdness like that. All right, Then you have your 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:09.400 mediumship and that's um ms Cleo who can channel dead 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:12.880 spirits forgot about her? And then you have how much 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:16.160 money that woman grossed in the nineties. She made a 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:18.640 lot of though I hope so yeah, I mean, she 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:23.240 was working hard, she had a finite window of opportunity, 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:26.200 and she worked that whole time. She didn't like buy 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:28.480 a sailboat and sail around the world after like a 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:30.960 first million. You know, like she worked. So you're not 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:33.400 in the camp of like she's taking people's money and 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:38.520 taking advantage of people. I see that argument, sure, for sure. 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:41.080 I also see like if people want to spend their 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:43.080 money on that and they get something out of it, 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:46.800 knock yourself out. Uh. And then you have a psychometry, 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:50.480 which is the ability to read info about a person place, 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:55.720 uh by touching the person object. And that's what I 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:59.280 like to call the dead zone. Christopher Walking, he would 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:01.480 place his hands on you and he would see something. Man. 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:03.880 I think we talked about it recently about how that 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:07.680 movie holds up. Still. Yeah, it's such a good movie. Yeah, 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:11.360 it really is good. Chris Walking. There's another one, Chuck 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:17.280 Um called telekinesis, which is like Uri Geller stroking a 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:21.920 spoon and it bending right, like being able to manipulate 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:25.760 matter just using a light touch or your mind, but 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:29.840 there is no spoon. Yeah. Yeah, it wasn't that from 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:36.360 matrix Um. All right, So basically, uh, like you said, 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:39.040 J b Ryan is the the granddaddy of all this, 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:42.000 and he actually started studying. I mean, he was a 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:45.559 legitimate scientist, he wasn't some quack. And uh, this was 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:49.400 in the nineteen thirties where he started at Duke University 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:53.679 studying para para psychology basically. And he wasn't the first. 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:58.360 He was one of the first UM laboratory experimenters in 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:02.680 academia to really study SI. Right before him, probably about 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:06.360 forty or so years before him, William James and some 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:09.960 of his pals at the Society for Psychical Research UM 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:13.760 really laid the groundwork for applying the scientific method to 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:18.319 the study of paranormal phenomenon. And they did two things. 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:25.760 They outed frauds, like fraudulent mediums, like very famously Madame Blevartsky. 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:29.040 But then they also investigated ones like they approached them 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:32.120 typically with like an open mind UM, and if they 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:35.640 found somebody that they just couldn't explain, they would they 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:38.800 studied them. So they were they were studying each one 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:41.480 with an open mind. And the ones they figured out 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:43.760 where frauds they outed as frauds. The ones they figured 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:49.199 out couldn't quite explain, they sought to investigate scientifically rather 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:52.080 than just saying, oh, they're frauds somehow. So that was 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:55.480 the groundwork of the study of sigh. What was Madame 0:09:55.559 --> 0:10:00.640 Blevartsky Steel of the Cony Allen She was she actually 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:05.160 she was almost a cult leader. You could argue she 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:09.600 was she um. She created um. Oh man, it's called 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:14.679 like theodism, I think, which is um. It was. It 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:18.160 was almost a cult. It was a huge um movement 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:21.680 in the nineteenth century where like you go to like 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:23.840 a seance and there was a medium there and they 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:26.720 would channel like the spirits of the dead, relatives of 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:29.080 people who were they're holding hands in the circle and 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:31.840 stuff like that. And she gained a lot of power 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:35.080 and wealth and prestige until she was outed as as 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:38.760 a fraud. And I don't remember the the it's theosophy, 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:41.079 that's what it is. Not to see theo is m. 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:45.920 Theo ism has to do with theo Huxtable. Uh did 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:49.080 you see The Source Family, by the way, that documentary. No, 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:51.319 I haven't about the l a cult in the seventies. 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:54.959 I saw the the Icon on Netflix and never clicked 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:58.240 as a good it's really good and it's it's it's awesome. Actually, 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:01.800 I recommend everyone it's one of those where like they 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:05.160 interview a lot of them today and they weren't like, 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:08.160 you know, they didn't commit suicide. Like everyone was like 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:11.080 it was pretty great. Oh yeah, yeah, they're all fine. 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:12.760 They're all just a bunch of hippies. Still. They were 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:15.319 out in l A. Yeah, yeah, right in Hollywood. There 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:17.640 was one and um, there was a documentary I saw 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:23.120 about a cult in Miami and they were like super 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:28.560 fundamentalist Christian but they also were um the basis of 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:31.720 their religion was was formed on pot too. Well that's 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:35.160 what the Source family was. I wonder if they were related. Well, 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:37.160 it was the seventies. Yeah, there were a lot of 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:39.199 pot cults, I bet. But did they turn into like 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:42.600 huge pot dealers. No, I don't think so. This cult 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:46.000 they had a band though, and the called the Source. 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:49.400 You know, I can't remember the name of the band, 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:54.080 but it's pretty interesting to transfer that. It's a really 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:56.080 good documentary. That was just funny to see all these people. 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:58.080 Now they're like it was awesome. Yeah. I had a 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:00.360 lot of sex and smoked a lot of weed. That's 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:03.439 kind of what they These guys didn't seem to have 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:05.839 a lot of sex though they were like real, like um, 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:09.880 compartmentalized gender wise and like male dominance and all that. 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:12.120 But they just smoked a ton of pot all the time, 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:15.600 including their little kids. Well that's not like like four 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:18.880 year old smoke. That's terrible. Yeah. There it was in 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:21.040 the documentaries we're seeing. I don't remember what you had 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:23.800 me up? You lost me there. I lost everybody there 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:26.880 in that documentary. Yeah. Um, all right, So back to 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:32.440 this ESP thing, um, jb Ryan, Yeah, jb Ryan. Well, 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:35.840 basically there's a there's a lot of different outlooks on 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:39.600 what ESP might be. Um, some people think that everyone's 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:43.400 got it, but some people, um, it just pops up 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:46.079 every now and then, um, like I might have a 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:49.520 dream that comes true or whatever. Other people think that 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:52.640 only certain people have it, have the the gift as 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:55.280 they say, uh, and that they have to be in 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:58.480 this special like you know, mental state to access at 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:03.160 the shinnon the shitting. And then other folks say that 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:06.200 everyone has that potential, but um, some people are just 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:10.160 like in tune with it and some people aren't. And 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:14.520 you follow in none of those three camps. Um, So 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:19.480 we'll talk a little more about some ideas of what 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:40.120 ESP is right after this so Chuck, Um, you said 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:45.200 that basically how people see ESP is either everyone has it, 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:49.840 some people have it, or no one has it. Basically, Uh, 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:53.360 whether you're a skeptic or a believer. Um, if you 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:56.240 are a believer in ESP and somebody comes to you 0:13:56.320 --> 0:14:01.559 and says, okay, explain ESP like it is it. There's 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:07.080 actually a couple of very common suggestions or proposals. One 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:10.040 made sense for a while before we knew a little 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:13.720 more about the brain. Um, and that was that EESP 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:19.560 was some form or fashion of the electromagnetic spectrum that 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:25.680 we were receiving information from outside of our usual senses. Yeah. 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:29.520 And like you said, it fell out of favor because, um, 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:33.080 basically it didn't explain anything about how it moves through 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:36.120 time or there. It didn't pick up on special some 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:40.240 special part of your brain that like receives this message. 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:42.760 And there was a UM did you see that study 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:44.920 I sent you? That was I think from two ten 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:47.720 where they put people in an MRI I and then 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:54.040 showed them, um, different pictures or whatever. H And they 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:57.720 did they showed like they I put you in the 0:14:57.760 --> 0:14:59.960 wonder machine and now I'm showing you a picture of 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:03.720 flower and that's it. It's lovely, except that it sounds 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:08.480 like a German rave. Okay, a little bit um, but 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:12.520 that would be uh. The non ESP stimuli the control 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:15.400 group to test ESP and to see if the brain 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:17.560 reacted differently, and then to see if there was a 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:20.360 part of the brain that's picking up on ESP. I 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:23.720 would show you the flower, and then in the other room, 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:27.600 I would also show Emily that flower. They think about 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:31.680 it and send you the thought of that flower, So 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:35.440 you're getting ESP stimuli and then non e SP stimuli. 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:38.320 And from the m R I they showed that the 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:43.200 brain didn't react differently, So it suggests that there isn't 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:46.040 a sensory organ or region of the brain that's responsible 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:50.600 for picking up ESP, which doesn't debunk the possibility of ESP. 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:53.640 It just undermines the idea that there's a region of 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:55.800 our brain that would be responsible for picking that up. 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:58.400 Plus of Emily's over there, I'm my first guess is 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:02.040 gonna be dog every time I'm in its flower And 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:04.680 this well, it wasn't about guessing. It was just to see, 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:08.520 like showing you ES the e SP version and then 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:10.600 the non e SP version of the same thing, so 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:13.240 you weren't guessing do you understand. Yeah, I get to know. 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:16.680 I would have guessed dog or wine. There wasn't guessing. 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:20.960 That's the way I guessed. Family thinks she has a 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:22.920 gift a little bit, so she would have been disappointed. 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:27.480 She s, yeah, a little, she thinks. But I think 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:31.720 she's just super observant and intuitive. But that's definitely one 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:35.560 explanation for it, which we'll get too, of course. Um. 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:38.880 So these days there are other theories, one of which 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:42.800 is that, uh, it's called spill over, that there's basically 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:46.840 another dimension that we that doesn't you know, have our 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:50.120 laws here and are dimension and that sometimes stuff just 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:53.640 sort of spills over from that and we see the 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:56.920 future of the past. And if you're a skeptic, you 0:16:57.040 --> 0:16:59.880 probably just pulled the decent sized clump of your hair 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:02.680 out of the side of your head at that point. Yeah, 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:05.159 because this is something you can't prove obviously, it's like 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:10.760 completely um And of course they'll say it exactly yeah, 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:13.120 you know. Yeah, And I think I got the impression 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:16.000 from this article that, um, they were making that point 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:19.480 like science is just chasing its tail and trying to 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:23.560 explain esp because it's not currently capable, and science goes 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:27.720 it doesn't work like that, you know, um, at least 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:34.119 with the electromagnetic spectrum explanation, it was pointing to something 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:38.919 that we already know exists, right, It's just that there 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:41.960 there's no way to show that we would be getting 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:45.840 how we would be getting information from it, because the 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:51.960 electromagnetic explanation, it basically says if you compare it to 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:55.679 other findings from ESP, it makes even less sense. Because 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:57.720 with the ESP, one of the hallmarks of it is 0:17:57.760 --> 0:18:00.720 that no matter whether you're out there are outside of 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:04.679 the studio thinking about wine or a dog or something 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:07.520 and I'm picking up on it, or if you're in 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:10.560 China and I'm here and we're doing the same thing, 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:14.080 that the signal doesn't weaken at all. Yeah, And that 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:15.800 just flies in the face of all we know about 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:19.960 electromagnetic rights, exactly right. So there's a lot of things 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:25.000 wrong with the proposals of what ESP is. Uh. Yeah. 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:27.240 But you know, the reason why people still believe in 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:31.080 this stuff is because of either hearing a story about 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:33.399 their friend who said, you know, listen to this crazy 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:37.119 thing happened, or experiencing it themselves in some way or another, 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:39.560 having a dream that something similar happened, and all of 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:42.480 a sudden, you're like, I might have the gift exactly, 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:45.439 or it popped up in me, you know, briefly at least. 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:48.040 And there's a I mean, there's a lot of um 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:55.879 evidence of strange and unusual occurrences that support the idea 0:18:55.960 --> 0:18:59.400 of esp um. This article gives a really good one 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:03.840 about UM. A book called Futility that was written by 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:07.359 a guy named Morgan robertson right, and in it the 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:12.240 guy details this book or this boat called the titan Ship. 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:16.200 Yeah ship, the boat, a big old boat, um, which 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:19.479 is sailing across the Atlantic and hits an iceberg at 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:22.200 night and sinks and a bunch of people die because 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:26.720 they weren't enough lifeboats. Yeah, this is And if that 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:30.199 sounds familiar, the Titanic did the same exact thing, the Titanic, 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:35.960 not the titan did the same exact thing fourteen years later. Yeah, 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:38.639 if they're there are a bunch of similarities. Um. The 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:41.280 titans struck an iceberg in the book on the starboard 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:43.400 side on an April night in the North Atlantic off 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:46.159 the coast of Newfoundland, and the real Titanic struck an 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:49.040 iceberg on the starboard side in April in the North 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:51.880 Atlantic off the coast of Newfoundland on the starless Night. 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:55.480 I don't know about that, Okay, Uh, they were both 0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:59.399 said to be unsinkable. Um, more than half of the 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:03.600 passengers of the Titanic perished and more than half of 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:06.800 the passengers and crew on the titan perished. So there's 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:09.280 all these things in there. But you do a little 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:13.080 more digging and you find out that Robertson was he 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:16.840 was a seaman, and he knew a bunch of this stuff. 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:19.600 And it's not unreasonable to think at the time they 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:22.320 wanted to build the biggest ships, and the word titan 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:24.240 it would be a great name back then for a 0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:28.240 super big ship. And that sailing route uh was a 0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:31.320 common one, and there were icebergs, and April might have 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:34.840 been a common month for that kind of voyage. So 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:37.680 all of it can be explained away kind of um, 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:41.000 but it is definitely something you look at go oh interesting, 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:44.080 It is interesting, and it's amazing coincidence, and it focuses 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:48.640 the attention and captures the imagination. Um. But then yeah, 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:52.359 once you hear about Robertson's background, it becomes slightly less impressive. 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:57.280 So then kind of too over the years that little 0:20:57.359 --> 0:21:01.040 Colonel got erased and added to it was that this 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:03.240 idea for this book came to him in a trance, 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:06.399 which bolsters the espy Is that true or is that 0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:09.760 just been added? Uh, I'm sure it was added over 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:12.280 the years. Which is a big problem with this kind 0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:15.480 of anecdotal evidence is that you know, it gets embellished 0:21:15.520 --> 0:21:19.760 in that. Yeah, exactly. And uh, it's just it's not 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:25.399 enough that this is a really interesting, unique circumstance or 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:29.200 coincidence or whatever. There has to be this extra layer 0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:32.080 of proof, like it came to him in a trance. 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:37.000 Come on. Yeah. Um. So back to Rhyan, he did 0:21:37.080 --> 0:21:39.000 some um. Like I said, in the nineteen thirties, he 0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:43.120 started studying the stuff with one of my favorite inventions, 0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:46.680 um by his colleague Carl Zenter. Of course, if you 0:21:46.720 --> 0:21:50.399 seen Ghostbusters he was using. He was using a version 0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:54.200 of Zentner cards. Um. The shapes weren't all exactly. I 0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:57.200 think there was one that was different Um and Ghostbusters, 0:21:57.240 --> 0:22:00.480 But the original Zentner cards were was a deck of 0:22:00.520 --> 0:22:03.240 twenty five Plaine white cards, with each of them had 0:22:03.680 --> 0:22:08.520 one of five symbols, a circle plus sign, a square, 0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:12.919 a star, five point star and the three wavy lines 0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:18.119 like water a river. So what that is? Okay? And 0:22:18.160 --> 0:22:20.480 the idea is that, just like in Ghostbusters, you hold 0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:24.280 it up and UM asked the you know, not showing 0:22:24.320 --> 0:22:27.440 them the card at obviously not the symbol, and say 0:22:27.480 --> 0:22:30.040 what do you see? And they say what they see? 0:22:30.080 --> 0:22:33.000 And then you record after the deck how many they got? Right? Right, 0:22:33.000 --> 0:22:35.679 But the person holding the card is supposed to be 0:22:35.760 --> 0:22:39.639 thinking about what they're seeing so that the other person, 0:22:39.800 --> 0:22:46.240 the target, the receiver, can pick it up tele telepathically. Yeah, 0:22:46.280 --> 0:22:48.000 and I did they have these online? I took the 0:22:48.000 --> 0:22:51.240 test yesterday, UM, and I went through the deck and 0:22:51.320 --> 0:22:54.320 I only got six out of and at the end 0:22:54.359 --> 0:22:58.200 it just said you are not a psychic. Really, Yeah, 0:22:58.240 --> 0:23:01.600 that was kind of funny. Statistically speaking for just one trial, 0:23:02.160 --> 0:23:05.480 that is more than chance. You did better than chance, 0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:08.239 So maybe you do have a touch six of what 0:23:08.400 --> 0:23:10.320 what would chance to be a chance would be if 0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:14.280 there's five different ones, and so this was six of 0:23:14.400 --> 0:23:21.760 twenty four would be uh no, that's not no, that's less. Yeah, No, 0:23:22.320 --> 0:23:28.800 you did six of you did, so five of five 0:23:28.840 --> 0:23:32.000 would be chance. Okay, so I got one more? Yeah? Well, 0:23:32.040 --> 0:23:34.879 and I think like three of the first eight or 0:23:34.920 --> 0:23:37.960 so or six I got, and I was like, I've 0:23:37.960 --> 0:23:40.640 got the gift, right, but I didn't know, like it's 0:23:40.720 --> 0:23:43.960 randomly generated, and so it's not like someone was on 0:23:44.000 --> 0:23:47.040 the other side thinking of that card. So I literally 0:23:47.080 --> 0:23:48.439 I was like, what do I do? I was like, 0:23:48.480 --> 0:23:51.560 I'm just guessing. So that brings up some interesting stuff, 0:23:51.600 --> 0:23:55.960 like there's there's um evidence that when a machine is 0:23:56.000 --> 0:24:01.600 involved that there is no telepathy. There would only be clairvoyance. Right, 0:24:02.440 --> 0:24:05.600 So I mean if if if telepathy is you picking 0:24:05.680 --> 0:24:09.040 up what's in someone else's mind and the computer is mindless, 0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:12.280 then you shouldn't be able what you were saying, like 0:24:12.359 --> 0:24:14.720 you should it shouldn't You should not be able to 0:24:14.760 --> 0:24:17.000