1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History class A production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Holly Fry and 3 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: I'm Tracy V. Wilson. We talked about the invention of 4 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: coffee filters. H I'm the Melita Company this week. Yes, 5 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 1: some of which got dark in a way. I was 6 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: not anticipeading when I started this. Now, Smorry, but you 7 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: don't want to ignore that stuff because it's important. Now 8 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: it's an important part of the story, so we got 9 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 1: to acknowledge it. I have a number of notes, but 10 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: first I want to start with the conversational. I know 11 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 1: you are a coffee drinker. Huh. I'm a coffee hound, 12 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: as I said the first thing. And I know we 13 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: both have cut back on what we used to drink. 14 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: I used to drink so much coffee, jolly long all day. 15 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: I drank coffee all day and then after work. This 16 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: was when I was just out of college. When I 17 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: was in college, I would drink coffee all day. Yeah, 18 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: and then at like one o'clock in the morning, we 19 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: would go to waffle House and I would have some 20 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: waffle House coffee at one o'clock in the morning. Come 21 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: back to my dorm room and be able to go 22 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,479 Speaker 1: to sleep after that. I don't understand how this worked 23 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: for me, because then after graduating from college, I would 24 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: drink coffee at work all day, and then after work, 25 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: I had a coffee shop that I hung out at 26 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 1: all the time, and I would drink more coffee at 27 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: the coffee shop. Yeah, and then I decided that I 28 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: was drinking too much coffee and that I should cut back. 29 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: And this was like something I was challenging myself to do, 30 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: thinking it was going to be a limited amount of 31 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: time that I was going to cut back to just 32 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: a couple cups of coffee in the morning, and it 33 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: ruined my ability to have caffeine later in the day. Yeah, 34 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: just really destroyed it. So now if I have caffeine stuff, 35 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: if it's more than just like one cup of tea, 36 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: if I have caffeinated things after about three or four 37 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: in the afternoon, I have trouble sleeping. It's very sad. 38 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: I can still chug it. Yeah. I always joke with 39 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: people and sometimes they believe me this is not true 40 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: where because it's happened. There was one time it happened 41 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: and it was so funny, and I felt bad because 42 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 1: I don't want to laugh at somebody who's being earnest. 43 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: But it was very funny. I was at lunch with 44 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: a friend of mine and I asked for a water, 45 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: a diet coke, and a coffee and the server said, 46 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: so much caffeine. And I said, well, I burned out 47 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: my adrenal gland when I was seven because I don't 48 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: get it constantly, I'll die, being sarcastic. And she was 49 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: so earnest. She's like, O'll make sure you always have 50 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: some on the table, and I was like, oh no, no, 51 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: I'm just being a jerk, but I do appreciate it 52 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: and would like the caffeine to keep coming. But I 53 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: was like, that's not a thing. I didn't do that. Yeah, 54 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: I still drink it all day long. I have cut 55 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 1: back from about probably ten to twelve cups a day 56 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: to like four to five. Yeah, only because my doctor 57 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: climbed on my tail about it. And some days that's hard. Okay, 58 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: here's the real question that I want to know. Okay, 59 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: what is your preparation preference? Okay, So for a long 60 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: time at home, I had a regular drip coffee maker 61 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: and also a very inexpensive espresso machine. Yeah, like, what 62 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: is the cheapest espresso machine that a person without a 63 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: lot of money could buy. That is what I had. 64 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: And then time went by. I think I broke the 65 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 1: pot on the espresso machine. It wasn't getting a lot 66 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,399 Speaker 1: of use. So I got rid of the espresso machine. 67 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: And then I moved to Massachusetts and we were living 68 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: in an apartment that was on the third floor of 69 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: a triple decker. It had no shade, it had no 70 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: air conditioning, and it got so hot in the summertime 71 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: that I could not tolerate the idea of drinking hot coffee. Yeah, 72 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: so I got a cold brew set up. We also 73 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: had no room, so I got rid of the regular 74 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: coffee pot at that point, so we just had the 75 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: cold brew set up. Yeah, this is a whole coffee journey. 76 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: It's great. Eventually I was like, now I want hot 77 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: coffee again, though, and heating up cold brew is not 78 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: as satisfying. So I got a French press and so 79 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 1: I still have the cold brew set up in the 80 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: French press and that lasted until the day I was 81 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: making my coffee in the morning and I knocked the 82 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: French press off of the counter and shattered it. Before 83 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: I had made my coffee for the day. That day, 84 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: I made coffee in a tea infuser. Yeah, listen, desperate times, 85 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: desperate measures. It worked. Okay. So now the two coffee 86 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: setups in my home are a cold brew setup and 87 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 1: an arrow press. And the arrow press is what the 88 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: hot coffee gets made in most porning. Yeah. Yeah, I 89 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: used to drip for a long, long long time. You know. 90 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: I was that person that like, oh no, the coffee 91 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: pot's almost empty, time to make another pot, Like yeah, thises. 92 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: This was constantly kind of doing the thing. In recent years, 93 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: I say recent, it's been quite a while. I switched 94 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: over to French press and I have a very adorable 95 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: RTD two French press that I got from Think Geek. 96 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: Remember Thinking Geek that I will cry if it ever 97 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: becomes damaged in a way I cannot use it. Another 98 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 1: company has started making them recently, but they are not 99 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: quite as good. But here's the thing, and I love 100 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,359 Speaker 1: a French press. I also have a cuig that I 101 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 1: do the refillable cups for that I keep in my 102 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: cantina and case people order an espresso martini when they're 103 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: over or I want an espressomartini. When I'm just hanging out, 104 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: I want listeners to understand something which you would that 105 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: you just said, which is that when guests come to 106 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: your home, you have a bar menu. And I love 107 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: this and I feel that this is something other people 108 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: should know. I do. I have a bar menu. It 109 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: got updated recently. I mean I have a bar, like 110 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 1: we built a cantina onto our house because I like 111 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: making drinks and I like Star Wars. So people come 112 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: over and it's like going to a restaurant. You don't 113 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: pay at this guy now, And I literally act like 114 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: I'm working as shift, like I'm not usually not drinking. 115 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: I'm only bartending and making sure everybody has snacks. And 116 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: I love it. I don't I don't know. I just 117 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 1: love it. I love making drinks. I love inventing drinks. Anyway, Yeah, 118 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: sometimes you want man for Januine because this year I'm 119 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: trying to have people over every month that has a 120 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 1: thirty one in it for the owen of that month. Okay, 121 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: So for Januine, I did an espresso martini. We did 122 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: three specialty drinks that day, and one of them is 123 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: a pumpkin spice donut espresso martini okay, and that was 124 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: just stupidly good. That sounds really good and not as 125 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: sweet as you might be thinking. But anyway, yeah, so 126 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 1: we love and I do love an espresso martini. I 127 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: know that's a little basic lady drink, but who I 128 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:00,799 Speaker 1: love it. And a good one is this weight in gold. 129 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 1: But yeah, here's the other thing about me though. As 130 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: much as I love my French press and that is 131 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: my preferred method, I would say, mm hmm. I'm a junkie. 132 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: I'm not a connoisseur. Yeah, I just want coffee. Yeah. 133 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: If somebody's like, well, this coffee was filtered through a sock. 134 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: The sock was clean, but it's you know, and the 135 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: grounds are really bad. There might be pencil shavings, I'm like, 136 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: that's okay, So you have creamer to put in it. 137 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: I'm good. I just need the coffee. Yeah. The reason 138 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: that we got the arrow press was number one shatter proof. 139 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: They do make glass wise, but the one that we 140 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: have is plastic. So I would never again have the 141 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: situation of preparing to make my coffee and I shatter 142 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: the thing used to do that. That is, I would 143 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: I think I would cry. I might actually cry cry, 144 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: but then the other thing is that we have a 145 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: friend named Dan, and Dan makes his coffee in an 146 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: arrow press, but then also has a little hand cranked 147 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: coffee bean grinder that he travels with. Oh yeah, yeah, 148 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: And so it's a whole like a ritual. It's way 149 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: more quality focused than ours, which for me is just 150 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: having something warm that tastes like coffee first thing in 151 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: the morning, especially right now when it's freezing cold outside. 152 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: But yeah, Dan is like way more like there's a 153 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: whole precise ritual, and I'm just like, grind the beans, 154 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: dump it in there, dump the boil, dump the water 155 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: in there, right, dump the thing in there, star go. 156 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: Do you remember this is some years ago when we 157 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: were still just how stuff works, I think, And we 158 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: would do sometimes like guest lectures, and we had a 159 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: Dune come in to talk about coffee. I don't know 160 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: if I remember that part, but I do remember doing 161 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: guest lectures. It was pretty fun because you know, he 162 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: very much waxed rhapsodic about coffee, just understandable, you know, 163 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: and was It's one of those things where there are 164 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: always people who are so attuned to a specific thing 165 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: that they can really talk about like a consumable good 166 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: coffee of wine, et cetera. Where they could talk about 167 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: all of the notes and everything and blah blah blah beers, 168 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,199 Speaker 1: Like when I hear people talk about beers in the notes, 169 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: I'm not a beer drinker. Everything tastes like rolling rock 170 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: to me. I know that's anathema to people, But it 171 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: was just so funny because he was noticing the same 172 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: thing that, like, he had friends that would talk about 173 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: like wine the same way he would talk about coffee. 174 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: And I literally like asked him something about, like, is 175 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 1: it anathema to you when people put stuff in their coffee? 176 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: And he looked kind of dejected and sad and was like, 177 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: I mean no, And I'm just like because I'm dumping 178 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 1: in my sweetener and my yeah, my creamer. Now I 179 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: usually use protein shake in my coffee, so I feel 180 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: like I'm at least getting something worthwhile. Yeah, I'm like, Oh, 181 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 1: I just want all the coffee. I just want the coffee. 182 00:09:54,600 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 1: I love it. There were a few interesting things that 183 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 1: came up in the research for this. They're on the 184 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: lighter side of things. This isn't really the lighter side, 185 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: but it is interesting to me because that whole World 186 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: War One situation where Britain was really kind of controlling 187 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: who did and did not have access to coffee trade. 188 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, or had limited access to coffee trade. What 189 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: ended up kind of happening in the midst of all 190 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 1: of that is that the US got a lot of 191 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: coffee trade because like it just came north instead of 192 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: turning across the Atlantic to it. And I'm like, oh, 193 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: this is where like the whole seed of It's not 194 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: like as though people weren't drinking coffee before that, but 195 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: I really think that's probably the beginning of this concept 196 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: that we all live now of like coffee lifes, right, 197 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: like coffee achievers, the coffee generation, all of that stuff 198 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: that we got marketed when we were kids. And it 199 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: just made me chuckle to think about the ways that 200 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,719 Speaker 1: history is impacting us that we don't always see. Our 201 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: coffee love is very seriously jeopardized by climate change. Require 202 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: coffee requires very specific conditions to grow in, and those 203 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: conditions are imperil very much. So I am gonna confess 204 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: to you that I had a lot of confusion looking 205 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: at pictures regarding how the Melita coffee filter, the metal 206 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: coffee filter worked. Initially oh yeah, uh huh, because we 207 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: described that it has that little set in basket at 208 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 1: the top, and I was like, is that where the 209 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: coffee goes and the filter because it is indented like 210 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: a little basin. But then I watched a video of 211 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: I think her great grandson, who is now one of 212 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: the executives in the company, pull one out, pull that 213 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: off and put the paper inside, and I was like, oh, 214 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: it's different than I thought. Huh, Like I don't I 215 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know what I was thinking. I 216 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 1: just was like, Okay, I felt very foolish. But it's 217 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 1: similar to the way that we couldn't be confident about 218 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: the way the device that maybe prevented boil over yeah, 219 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: or maybe prevented over cooking, depending on right, because translations 220 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: offer alternate concepts, we know when you look at a thing. 221 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: And then it really though, was very in line with 222 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: some of the stuff we talked about in the episode, 223 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: because they did have to teach people how these things work. Yeah, 224 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: you know, like when they if they had just handed 225 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,199 Speaker 1: them to a consumer, they wouldn't have been able to 226 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 1: be like, Okay, the coffee goes here, I guess because 227 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: the paper could have sat inside that little shallow basin 228 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: as well. Right, right, we don't know. I do kind 229 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: of now want to get one of these pour over 230 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: cups just for or the entertainment of it, to say, yeah, 231 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: I used to one. Yeah, they're little, they're not gonna 232 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: take much space. There's got to be a cocktail I 233 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: could make that makes use of it. Oh, I just 234 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:13,199 Speaker 1: had such an idea. Look out, people come into my house. Yes, 235 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: there's gonna be a hot coffee drink coming. Oh my goodness, 236 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: I just had such a good idea. Okay, there is 237 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:25,199 Speaker 1: another thing that Listen, this happens all the time, okay, 238 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: where the way a history even of a company or 239 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: an entity is reported by that company or entity that 240 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: doesn't line up with other facts that we know or 241 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 1: that you can't corroborate. And I don't even think that's 242 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:41,719 Speaker 1: like necessarily nefarious. What I'm about to say is a 243 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,559 Speaker 1: very benign thing. But I just was like, huh, I 244 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: don't know what's going on here, Like I'm not even 245 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: talking about any of the World War two Nazi stuff. Literally, 246 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: the Melita Company's website that has their history that I 247 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: got to sort of through a back door mentions that 248 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: they won gold and silver medals at the nineteen eleven 249 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: International Hygiene Expo in Dresden and the nineteen ten one. 250 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: But when I looked up the International Hygiene Expo, there 251 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: is no evidence that there was one in Dresden in 252 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: nineteen ten, so I'm like, what is going on here? 253 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: There was one in nineteen ten, but it was in 254 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: Buenos Aires, and I don't think they sent anybody to it, 255 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: So I'm not sure what the scoop is there. But 256 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: on the certificate that you can find if you really 257 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: root around on their site, the certificate for the nineteen 258 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: eleven awards has pictures of the nineteen ten award coins 259 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: like the medallions that are labeled nineteen ten. So I 260 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: don't know if that is the source of some confusion 261 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: or if there was an event that is just not documented. 262 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: I mean, that's the other thing that I in that 263 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: paper that's originally in Jeri that I was doing translation 264 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: comparisons on. At the beginning of that paper, that researcher 265 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: mentions that there were some issues getting a hold of 266 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: documents because of a couple of different events that happened. 267 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: One was that there have been fires I believe that 268 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: have destroyed things. Two is that there have been robberies 269 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:27,359 Speaker 1: at the company, at the corporate headquarters where something's vanished. 270 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: So it's like there are just facts we can't always 271 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: validate anymore. Now, if you're a conspiracy theorist, you would say, 272 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: did those things really happen? Or is that what this 273 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: researcher got told. I don't. I don't know. I'm not 274 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: really a conspiracy theorist, so yeah, don't. I don't know. 275 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: But I did learn as I was researching and looking 276 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: at other companies who also did Nazi collaboration, I learned 277 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: a factoid that I didn't know that maybe some of 278 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: our listeners knew, but I was not aware of. Okay, 279 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: did you know that Coca Cola invented Fanta for Nazi Germany? 280 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: I don't think I knew that. Now, I wish I 281 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: had had the presence of mind to bring up to 282 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: have the website here handy. But it was like one 283 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: of those things where many products were blockaded or forbidden 284 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: to be shipped in various ways, but there was still 285 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: a desire for a yummy, delicious carbonated beverage, and Coca 286 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: Cola was like, we could get around these rules. And restriction. 287 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: If we invent a new thing, okay that's different from 288 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: the things we've been making, all right, then so just 289 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: remember like there, I don't want anybody's takeaway to be 290 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: like that company's bad, because like, yeah, we would have 291 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: to literally live in a cave and make our own 292 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: food and cook it on rocks if we wanted to 293 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: avoid every possible corporate entity that has dirty things. Yeah, 294 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: yeah the past well, and really virtually any company that 295 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 1: was operating in Germany during that era had to do something. 296 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: And so it's a scale of yes, sort of tacitly 297 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:18,120 Speaker 1: allowing things to actively collaborating like those are sort of 298 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 1: the extreme. And there's especially if it's a lot about 299 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: a company. Yes, if we're talking about a company big 300 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: enough to be doing international business, incredibly unlikely for them 301 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: to have somehow had no Nazi involvement at all. I'm 302 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: not saying that excuses there was the reality of what 303 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: we're talking about. Yes, every car company, yeah, including US 304 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 1: car companies, Yeah, have problematic links to Nazi Germany. It 305 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: just is what it is. But what I do like 306 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: is coffee. Coffee, and for that I do like it. 307 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: I am grateful. Yeah, thank you Melita because I don't 308 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: like grounds in my coffee either. No, although I realize 309 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: now I'm not using any of her filter. No, I'm 310 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: really thinking about this drink though. Now this is just 311 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: got exciting for me. I really did. It's going to 312 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: for now. It's like, now our show is going to 313 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: be a cocktail show from now. It's fine by me. 314 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: Let's do it, let's rock and roll. I'm not making 315 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: Criminalia anymore. So I don't have a good place to 316 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 1: don't have a cartil outlet. I don't have. I mean, 317 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,400 Speaker 1: the outlet is my cantina. But even so, I need, 318 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,719 Speaker 1: I need to prompt each week more anyone. And now 319 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 1: I have a new idea more more at all times, 320 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: which is now reminding me of bartending school. But that's 321 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: a story for another day. We talked about Fort Mosey 322 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: sure did week on the show. This came about because 323 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: of like a slightly winding listener suggestion, which was that 324 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: we had gotten a listener mail asking for an episode 325 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: on a particular place, and when I started looking into it, 326 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: I was like, this place the story becomes a bummer, 327 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: and I I didn't want to get into the bummer 328 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: right now, and I'm not saying the name of the 329 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: place because I don't want this person to feel bad 330 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 1: for their suggestion in any way, and it may become 331 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: an episode at some point in the future later. But 332 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, what are some other places that 333 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: we might talk about, though, Like, what are some other 334 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: potential locations, because I feel like I haven't done one 335 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: of those in a while. And I then from this 336 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: wandering from this listener suggestion, wound up on Fort Morse, 337 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:55,199 Speaker 1: which I had not ever heard of before, and so 338 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 1: much of the things that happen in the history of 339 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: Florida during you know, parallel with the history of Fort Mooise. Yeah, 340 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: I also didn't know about I obviously did know about 341 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: Saint Augustine being a city and being the oldest European 342 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: established city in what's now the United States, Like I 343 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: knew those kinds of things. Patriot War, never heard of 344 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 1: it until doing the research on this, Yeah, I don't 345 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: think that I did. I had kind of a vague 346 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 1: understanding about Oglethorpe that I knew a little more about, Yeah, 347 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 1: like I knew that sort of that that had happened, 348 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: but not a lot of details, and that I just 349 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: did not fully think through all of the worst mostly 350 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: between European powers, sometimes with indigenous allies, sometimes also with 351 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 1: and against indigenous people. But like all of those things 352 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 1: that really started in the eighteenth century, and how many 353 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 1: of them that there were that all just affected Florida, 354 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: and how many times Florida got passed back and forth 355 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: between different European powers. Yeah, I definitely got lots of 356 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 1: Saint Augustine. I lived in Florida from when I was 357 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: nine to when I was eighteen, so yeah, kind of 358 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: those key history time years. But also during an era 359 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: of our country's history where it was totally cool to 360 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: really give only the most complimentary version of a history 361 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,880 Speaker 1: regarding the place or maybe talking about you know, there 362 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: was not a lot of Oh, and they treated people 363 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: really bad. It was like they were the first ones 364 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:42,360 Speaker 1: and everything was amazing, right, you know. Yeah, Having grown 365 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: up in North Carolina, I had a sense of Carolina 366 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 1: being established as one colony, not North and South. That 367 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: North and South came later. I did not really have 368 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: a sense of how far the southern border was under 369 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 1: the Royal Charter expected to go like but not only 370 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: did it go way into Florida, but like it included 371 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: Saint Augustine. I did not really have, yeah, a big 372 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: sense of that part of it. Yeah, I had thought 373 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: of something else that I was going to say, and 374 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 1: now I have Do you want to talk about food 375 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 1: while you try to think of it? Let's do talk 376 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: about food, because I was very very glad that you 377 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:23,120 Speaker 1: included mention of the Gullageechee Corridor at the end. Oh yeah, 378 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: because I don't know if you've noticed it might be 379 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: something that's happening more in the South, but I have 380 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 1: noticed more and more one restaurants just popping up, like 381 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: as this is a Gulla restaurant, like we're using old 382 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 1: Golla recipes and like the restaurant that I go to 383 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: all the time that's like my favorite neighborhood joint. They 384 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: have started including notes on their menu about this is 385 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: an old Gola recipe, like that's where we and like 386 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: calling it out, which is kind of cool because there 387 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 1: are some really incredible food traditions right, Like it's often 388 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: a very grain base, Like listen, if you love shrimp 389 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: and grits the way I love grits, Uh huh, that's Gulligichi. 390 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: I mean that's yeah, that's the origin point. So it's 391 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: just cool because it's an interesting time in terms of 392 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 1: like the gastronome zone of people recognizing the cultural contributions 393 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,360 Speaker 1: of the gulligichi, and like how much we have. I mean, 394 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: we've seen shrimp and grits on you know, menus everywhere 395 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:25,719 Speaker 1: for a long time, and nobody ever calls it out 396 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 1: and goes, hey, do you actually know where this came from? 397 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: So I'm excited to see that more and more restaurants 398 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: are now doing that. Yeah. Yeah, and also now I 399 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 1: want shrimp and grits. I do too. You said it, 400 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,880 Speaker 1: and now it's in my head. I mean, it's hard 401 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: for me to find a day when I don't want 402 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: shrimp and grits because it is one of my yeah 403 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 1: things on the planet. I like to order it any 404 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 1: restaurant I walk into, if it has it on the menu, 405 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: I will almost always order it just to see how 406 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,959 Speaker 1: they make it, because there are lots of different variations 407 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: in terms of the sauces and whatnot and what they 408 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: whether they put things in the grits. Yeah. Living in 409 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: New England now, I when I order shrimp and grits 410 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: at a restaurant, there's an aspect of like morbid curiosity 411 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: there at this point because it's so far removed from 412 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: like where I grew up and where I learned to 413 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,439 Speaker 1: eat grits, that I'm always like, Okay, what are what 414 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: is this that you are going to serve to me? Yeah. Anyway, 415 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: one of the things that I read while I was 416 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: researching this was the correspondence between James Coleton and Dunlop 417 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: when Dunlop was on this mission to Saint Augustine. And 418 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: this was part of the instructions that the governor gave Dunlop, 419 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: Before the part about like and you need to get 420 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:50,360 Speaker 1: these people back, he said, quote, you are to let 421 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: the Governor of Flora and know that since I came 422 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: to the government, there have been no pirates nor other 423 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: sea robbers admitted, nor had any reception in this province 424 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: without being brought to condign punishment. And I have several 425 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: at this time in prison who are speedily to be 426 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: brought to their trials. And that I will add times 427 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 1: vigorously endeavor in my station and government to extra pate, abolish, 428 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 1: in destroy that sort of people who are so much 429 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 1: enemies and destructive to all mankind. So first, the phrase 430 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 1: Pirrats and other Sea robbers. Just delighted me having pirates 431 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 1: without an E where we would put it, and also 432 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: sea robbers pirates and sea robbers, and then all of 433 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: this has some extra letters that we would not have 434 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: in these words in standard English today, which is very fun. 435 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: Several has two l's on it. I love anything prior 436 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: to standardized spelling. It's just a fun puzzle. It's delightful. 437 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: If I'm having to read a ton of it for 438 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: an episode and I'm on a deadline, I can get 439 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: a little frustrated because I'm like, Okay, this is harder 440 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 1: and taking longer. But call Itton's spelling trials t R 441 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: Y A L L S also very excited about that, 442 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: and then trials throughout I. So the thing that I 443 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: am most familiar with in terms of typography and old 444 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 1: documents is the long s's that look like f's. Yeah right, 445 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: We've talked about those a number of times. But the 446 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 1: way that the word Florida looks in this document looks 447 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: like it is spelled lowercase F lowercase F L O 448 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: R I DA. So two f's, both of them lowercase Florida, 449 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: and I had to just stop myself from going to 450 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: figure out why Florida was set with what appears to 451 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: be two f's. Maybe a listener who knows about fonts 452 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 1: and typeograph and sixteenth and seventeenth century printing will send 453 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: us the answer. But I loved every single time the 454 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: word Florida was in this series of letters, always apparently 455 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:20,159 Speaker 1: with two f's Florida, Yeah, or is I like to 456 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 1: say Florida? Yeah. I never remembered the thing that I 457 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 1: was trying to think of that I thought I was 458 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: going to say earlier. The article in Bitter Southerner detailing 459 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: sort of the progress of this park and the discovery 460 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,439 Speaker 1: of the forts and the archaeological work and all of 461 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,239 Speaker 1: that stuff. It did not have a date on it 462 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: in terms of when it was published, so I'm not 463 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 1: sure when it came out, but it it seems like 464 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: it was some years ago, long enough in the past 465 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: that things like the fort that has been rebuilt at 466 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,479 Speaker 1: the or the replica fort that has been built at 467 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: the park, like that's not there. If you go read 468 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 1: that article, which if you want to know the whole 469 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,959 Speaker 1: story of the fort's rediscovery in the park and all 470 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 1: of that, like that, it lays it out and it 471 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 1: is kind of messy, but it also makes the park 472 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: sound kind of mediocre. I was gonna say point, I 473 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 1: think quait would be more generous than the tone of 474 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: the gotcha article, And but then when I was looking 475 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 1: at pictures of these reenactments and stuff, I was like, 476 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,880 Speaker 1: I think, I think they must have done some work 477 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: to make this park more visitor friendly with more amenities 478 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: in the time since this article was written. Gotcha. So 479 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: if you're reading this article and you're like, I don't know, 480 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: this park is a place that I would want to visit, like, 481 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: I think there is more at the park and more 482 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: facilities at the park than when it was written. At 483 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: least that's my impression. Gotcha. Yeah, I don't know. I 484 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: know nothing about it now. I'm literally like, what else 485 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: do I want to talk about in Florida? And I'm like, 486 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: Golden Girls, but that's not really Jermaine to anything. Just 487 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: any excuse to talk about the Arthur is great. I 488 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: love that. I love that. I have many fond thoughts 489 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: about the Golden Girls, so many, so many. We can 490 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: just leave on that note. I think whatever is coming 491 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: up on your weekend, if you're getting to take a 492 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 1: little time to watch some Golden Girls streaming somewhere. Maybe 493 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: you have Golden Girls on DVD or Blu ray, I 494 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: don't know. I hope you get to do that. I 495 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: hope it's fun and great. You're gonna go outside if 496 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: you're living somewhere where the outside is tolerable right now 497 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: and you can do some stuff outside, I hope that's great. 498 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 1: My latest outside thing was a protest. It was in 499 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: a snowstorm. The windchill was eleven. Yeah, So I hope 500 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: you we have more favorable weather happening right now. And 501 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: I know there's so much going on in the world. 502 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: I hope everybody's doing as well as possible. Try to 503 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: take care of each other and be kind to each other. 504 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: And we will be back with a Saturday Classic tomorrow. 505 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: We will have something brand new on Monday. Stuff you 506 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: Missed in History Class is a production of iHeartRadio. 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