1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back to Clay and Buck. We've 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: told you we're gonna dig deep, go to the bottom 4 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: the origins of the Russia collusion lie. We're not gonna 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: let it just go away because the Left doesn't want 6 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: to talk about it anymore after three years of obsessing 7 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 1: over it, and we got the Susman trial underway right now. 8 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: Our friend Andy McCarthy joins. He's at National Review of 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: Fox's contributor to spend over twenty years as an assistant 10 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: US attorney for the Southern District of New York. Andy. 11 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: Great to have you back, Hey, guys, how are you good? 12 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: To be with you? Good? Andy? So, what is the 13 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: biggest revelation takeaway for you so far in the Susman 14 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: In the Susman trial, Obviously, the Robbie Mook testimony about 15 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: Hillary giving the order when it comes to the Russia 16 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: collusion investigation and pushing that forward to the FBI seems 17 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: like a big deal. But what are you or biggest takeaways? Well, 18 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: my biggest concern going into the trial, Buck, was that 19 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: Durham has really planted his flag here on something. I 20 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 1: think that it is a dubious proposition in federal law. 21 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: If it was a crime to make a false statement, 22 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: he'd be fine. The problem is the crime is making 23 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: a false statement to the FBI, and Durham has basically 24 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: his theory of his case is that the FBI was 25 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: duped here. And I think those of us who watched 26 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 1: this closely for a long time think it's more complicated 27 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: than that, to say the least. And I was afraid 28 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: that the FBI would give susmen a lot of his 29 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: defense in this case, and I think that has has 30 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: turned out to be true. So while it should be 31 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: a slam dunk case, because the lives charged is that 32 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: he claimed he wasn't representing anyone when in fact he 33 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: was representing the Clinton campaign. That seems to be clear, 34 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: and you have to prove materiality. It should be easy 35 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: to prove materiality because obviously the reason he lied was 36 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: because if he had said, I'm here from the Clinton 37 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: campaign bringing you some opposition research about the opposition candidate 38 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: who we're running against him six weeks, you know they 39 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: would have looked at the information very differently. The whole 40 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: reason for the lie is obvious, so they should be 41 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: able to prove this. The problem is it's come out 42 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: in the last couple of days that you know, the 43 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: FBI claimed in their paperwork opening the case that the 44 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: information hadn't come from Susman, but it came from the 45 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: Justice Department, which is not true. So if you're prosecuting 46 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: a statement of false statements to the FBI, and the 47 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: FBI itself has made a false statement in this investigation 48 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: opening document, that's not a great way to kick it off. 49 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,119 Speaker 1: And it just seems to me that the that they 50 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: concealed his identity, that his Suspen's identity. You know, they 51 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: say they wanted to treat him like a confidential informant. 52 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: There was no reason to treat him like a confidential informant. 53 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: He wasn't under any threat. They treated him like a 54 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: confidential informant, which allowed them to conceal his identity from 55 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: the agents who were doing the investigation because they knew 56 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: they were taking explosive political information from a political source 57 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: and they didn't want to get caught doing it, so 58 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: they knew they were playing with fire. And it just 59 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: goes to show that, you know, the FBI's position here 60 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: is not the usual position. We expect to find the 61 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: FBI in Okay, Andy, he gets convicted, he doesn't get convicted, 62 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: What does it mean going forward, Because at a minimum, 63 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: we now have an under oath testimony from Hillary Clinton's 64 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: campaign manager that she was directly involved at least in 65 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: knowledge about the fact that they were sharing this information. 66 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: If he has found not guilty, if he has found guilty, 67 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: what does it mean going forward in your mind as 68 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: to this overall and overarching investigation. Yeah, the thing, it's 69 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: quite I think you're asking me what's sensible as a 70 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: as a legal question, and it makes perfect sense. But 71 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: I think the question is really more political than legal, 72 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: just in a very blunt, bottom line sense. I think 73 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: if Sessman gets acquitted, the media is just going to 74 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: kill Durham's investigation, and we may be able to analyze 75 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: it logically and legally and say, you know, look, the 76 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: evidence here showed that Sessman lied, and it showed even 77 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 1: more that the FBI was acted in a very curious 78 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: way throughout this investigation and clearly was in the tank 79 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: to this whole idea that Trump was in a corrupt 80 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: relationship with Russia, which guided a lot of its activity, 81 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: not just in this case, but also in the broader investigation. 82 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: So I you know, I think we can look at 83 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 1: this and still take things away from it that are 84 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: very valuable in terms of the historical record, but in 85 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: terms of the impact of Dorham's investigation, which you know, 86 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: by the way, it's not exactly capturing the imagination of 87 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 1: the country, right. I mean, it's not like people are 88 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: paying rapt attention to this. But I think that the 89 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: media is just gonna if if Susan walks and the 90 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: media is just going to say, you know, Dorham has 91 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: wasted everyone's time for three years. It's amazing, isn't it. 92 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: After Muller really wasted everybody's time for as long as 93 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 1: he did, the narrative could turn into well, Durham wait, 94 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: you know it's it's just stunning. And we're speaking of 95 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: Andy McCarthy. Hear everybody, National Review, Fox News, former assistant 96 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 1: US attorney for Andy what twenty three years? Is that right? 97 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: You're there a while about twenty close about twenty Okay, 98 00:05:56,240 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: so Andy on the Durham report are supposed to be 99 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: a report, right, isn't that how this this is eventually 100 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 1: this is eventually going to be finished up. Is that 101 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: something that you expect is going to come out this year? 102 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: Do we have any basically? Is this going to amount 103 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: to anything? You know, because a lot of people were 104 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:15,799 Speaker 1: promised a lot of things for a long time about 105 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: getting the everything we've said about Russia collusion, it was 106 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 1: a Hillary plot, The FBI went with it, fell for 107 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: it whatever, the deep state pushed it, the media amplified it, 108 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: and we're colluding in it. Does a Duram thing go anywhere? 109 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: Because it sounds to me like you're worried. Not really well, 110 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 1: I mean I'm not. I think you get a final 111 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: report at the end, whether that'll be this year or not. 112 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: I hope it's this year. But you know, Dam's made 113 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 1: some sounds the least three weeks like he's not done yet, 114 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: that there may be more charges. Now, maybe there will be, 115 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: maybe there won't be. But what I would caution people 116 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 1: who get all excited whenever he says such things is 117 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: twofold number one. The statute of limitations for most federal 118 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: crime is five years. And most of what went on 119 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: here happened in twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, So you know, 120 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: time's a wasted if you're going to indict something within 121 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: the Statute of limitations. And then the second thing. I'm 122 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: gonna sound like I'm beating a dead horse, but I'm 123 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: going to repeat what I said at the beginning. If 124 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: you want the big fraud on the government case here, 125 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: the only way you make that is that the FBI 126 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: is in on it, and Durham's theory seems to be 127 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: that the FBI was duped, which is proving to be 128 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: a big problem for him. I think in the sessment 129 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: case as it is, so, I wouldn't expect a big 130 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: indictment on a theory that the government agencies were defrauded 131 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: here by the Clinton campaign. But he is supposed to 132 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: write a narrative report. I think that the reason that 133 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: Bill Barr made him a special counsel rather than just 134 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: an ordinary prosecutor is that ordinary prosecutors, like when I 135 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: was at the Southern District in New York, if I 136 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: didn't have enough evidence to make a case, I closed 137 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: the file and moved on to the next case. Special 138 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: counsel have to write a final report. It's supposed to 139 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: be a confidential report that you write to the Attorney General, 140 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: summarizing the investigation and explaining your charging decisions. Customarily, most 141 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: of these have become public, like the Muller investigation did 142 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: in you know, substantially public. There's a lot of stuff 143 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: you have to withhold, like grand jury information or classified information, 144 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: but for the most part, you get the story. The 145 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: thing is, I don't know, guys, if the media is 146 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: going to agitate for the Door report the same way 147 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: they agitated for the Muller report, particularly if there's acquittals 148 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: along the way. I mean, I just wonder how hard 149 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: people are going to fight over it. Andy, sitting here. 150 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: As a lawyer, I always like to analyze what is 151 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: the jury potentially going to look like, what might their 152 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: preconceptions be, what might their internal biases be. This is 153 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: obviously a huge part of any jury selection, and of 154 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: all places to have a trial forum shopping wise, for 155 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton, you may be able to name a better one. 156 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: I can't really think of one better than Washington, d C. 157 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: Which is an overwhelmingly Democrat city. In addition to the challenges, 158 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: you're mentioning that Sussman conviction may entail purpose for Durham, 159 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: how would you analyze the people who are making the 160 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 1: decision here and how much does that factor in in 161 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: terms of guilt or innocence. Yeah, I think you're really 162 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: heading on the main thing. You know, I've set a 163 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: number of times that Durham may represent the government, but 164 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: this is not a home game from this trial. And 165 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: I think it's even worse in some ways because the 166 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: judge has a lot of ties to Clinton world. He's 167 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: an Obama appointee. Just so people understand what I mean 168 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: when I say that's to Obama Clinton world. When he 169 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: got out of law school, he clarked for a pretty 170 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: famous judge on the DC Circuit named Abner Mikvah, and 171 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: the year his clerkship ended, Mikvah went to the Clinton 172 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: White House to become the White House counsel to Bill 173 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: Clinton and Cooper. The judge went to the Justice Department 174 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: to work for Amy Girella, who was the Deputy Attorney 175 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: General in the Justice Department. So his Clinton ties but 176 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: back a long way, and there are a lot of 177 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 1: suggestions that he shouldn't be sitting on this case because 178 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: he might be too conflicted. He doesn't think he was, 179 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: and I think his looseness in terms of analyzing conflicts 180 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: of interest spread over into the picking of the jury. 181 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,599 Speaker 1: So he seemed to think that as long as he 182 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: told the jury is that Donald Trump is not on 183 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: trial here and Hillary Clinton is not on trial, that's 184 00:10:54,200 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 1: somehow talismanically magically removed the political goal overtones from the case, 185 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: which of course it doesn't. If it wasn't for Clinton 186 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: the Trump, that wouldn't be any case. But nevertheless, because 187 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: that was his approach, we have people on the jury 188 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: who basically said during the selection process that they contribute 189 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: to Democrats, that they supported Clinton, that they opposed Trump. 190 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 1: And we have one juror who disclosed in the middle 191 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:25,959 Speaker 1: of the trial. And I think she did this in 192 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: good face. I don't mean to suggest otherwise, but she 193 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 1: came in one day and she said, oh, I just 194 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 1: found out that my daughter is on the same sports 195 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: school team as Susman's daughter. I think they're on a 196 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: crew team together. DC is a small town, by the way, 197 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: for people out there who are like, that's crazy, it's 198 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: really not a big population. Nope, Andy, before I let 199 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: you go, could I just ask you Obviously, the biggest 200 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: biggest thing on everyone's minds across the country now is 201 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: a horrific shooting that occurred in val day. You were 202 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: a federal prosecutor. As we said, for over twenty years, 203 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: you put away mob hitmen, terrorists, You prosecuted the First 204 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: World Trade Center bombing bombers. Is there anything that you 205 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: think you know from from a legal perspective, either in 206 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: the in the toolkit of the legislature or as just 207 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: prosecutors from a legal perspective, is there something that could 208 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: be done to try to stop these kinds of mass 209 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: murdering psychopaths before they could engage in I just wanted 210 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: to pose that to you. I mean, you're a true expert. 211 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: You're a guy who's really been there and been on 212 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: the front lines stared down evil. What could we do? Well, Buck? 213 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: You know, no constitutional right is absolute right, that any 214 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: righting even liberty, can be removed as long as you 215 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: accord due process of law. Right you have to prove 216 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: things beyond the reasonable doubt to remove someone's liberty. So 217 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: I could see, I could in my own mind, I 218 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: could concoct like a red flag type system that would 219 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 1: have enough to process rights that we could have confidence 220 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: in it that you might be able to remove guns 221 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: from people if you could make a showing that they 222 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 1: were mentally disturbed in some way or you know, we 223 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: could hash out the grounds for it. The problem is, 224 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: I don't think even if I could come up with 225 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: something perfect legally, I don't think the Democrats can be 226 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: trusted politically not to use these processes punitively, because every 227 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: place we turn, they're using like they're weaponizing the Justice Department. 228 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: So if you're a numbskull and you're wandering around the capital, 229 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: you're not doing anything violent, but you're in a place 230 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 1: where you shouldn't be, they'll hould you back two thousand 231 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: miles from New Mexico and make you stand in a 232 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: misdemeanor trial. 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So I am gonna 279 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: be capeting the ship alone for just a little bit. 280 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: If you don't hear Clay's voice, just wanted you to 281 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: know that's where we are. I do want to talk 282 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:35,479 Speaker 1: obviously about the election results from last night in Georgia specifically. 283 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: And here's just something and this is a hat tip 284 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: my friend Ryan Grdusky, political consultant and analysts, for sharing 285 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: this out there, Georgia GOP primary turnout by year. He 286 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: just put this out. Get ready for this, everybody, Okay, 287 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: two thousand and six, four hundred nineteen and I'm just 288 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: gonna get round to the thousand, four hundred, nineteen thousand, 289 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: two thousand and ten, six hundred and eight thousand. Okay, 290 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: it's pretty high, right, twenty fourteen, five hundred ninety six thousand, 291 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 1: and dropped down a little bit two and eighteen, six 292 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 1: hundred and eight thousand. That's pretty good. Twenty twenty two, 293 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 1: one point one million. This is where you just shared 294 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: out sitting here for saying, oh my gosh. So that's 295 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: obviously indicative of a lot of interest, a lot of 296 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 1: people looking at this and saying, wow, they they are 297 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: really really motivated to get out there and vote in Georgia. 298 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: So I know, you know some of who won some 299 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: of the results, but we'll dive into that more together 300 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: here in just a few moments. As well as some 301 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: of the other big races out there, so some politics 302 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,239 Speaker 1: come in your way. If you've ever rather if you 303 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,199 Speaker 1: did own a business through COVID, there's a payroll tax 304 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: rebate plan that you may qualify for. 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Shame on the Democrats who pushed 323 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 1: the big lot that Rand scheme was at foot to 324 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 1: prevent millions of Americans from voting. It was never true. 325 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: It was just to push their pre exists in policy agenda. 326 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: If fake hysteria was shut, a pretext to push a 327 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: sweeping national takeover of election laws that Democrats that already 328 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: had on the shelf for a number of years. Now, 329 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: the rhetoric is proving faults right before our eyes. These 330 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 1: common sense Republican laws appeared to be achieving just what 331 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: the American people want. American people want to make it 332 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: easier to vote and harder to cheat. This whole episode 333 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:41,479 Speaker 1: proves exactly why our democracy still needs it's cooling saucer. 334 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: Even Mitch McConnell gets it when it comes to Georgia, friends, 335 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: because the numbers are speaking loud and clear on this 336 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: one record turnout in the primary in Georgia yesterday. As 337 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 1: we know, we had, by the way, Clay's back with us. 338 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: So look at this. I thought you threw the smoke 339 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: bomb your back ready, you know you're the kids got 340 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: let out of school buck early. It's the final day 341 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: of school for my kids. And the moment I got there, 342 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 1: they were already coming out hopped in the car to 343 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 1: me like four minutes to pick them up, unprecedented speed. 344 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: So yes, I'm back. Kids are If you hear kids 345 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: screaming in the Travis household, there probably screams of joy 346 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:25,959 Speaker 1: because school is officially out in their their department and 347 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:27,719 Speaker 1: for the next couple of months they're going to be 348 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 1: playing a lot of video games. Let's be honest here. 349 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: So here's where we are in the in Georgia. Just 350 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 1: so put us all on the same page here. Who won, 351 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 1: who lost? And what happens now? And what does this 352 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 1: tell us about the future and the mid and the 353 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: mid term elections specifically, So kemp one, the sitting governor, 354 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: defeated a primary challenge and won by a lot. I 355 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: think it was like a seventy give or take seventy 356 00:20:56,160 --> 00:21:02,199 Speaker 1: twenty situation. Herschel Walker crew us to U, you know, 357 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 1: high stepping into the end zone. Good analogy, thank you. 358 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: See I learned the stiff arm the competition. Yes, so 359 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: Herschel Walker is clearly gonna be the is the GOP 360 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 1: nominee up against Ralphael Warnock. That is gonna be a 361 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: Senate throw down. I'm looking forward to seeing how that 362 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 1: one shakes out. I think Herschel is gonna obviously, I'm 363 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 1: hoping Herschel wins that one. Do you have a particular 364 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: technow I mean, I do think he's gonna win. But Buck, 365 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: you can gamble on politics, you know, I like to 366 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: gamble on sports, but you can gamble on politics outside 367 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: of the United States. Not technically legal in the United States. 368 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 1: But Herschel is minus two seventy five, which is a 369 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: pretty substantial favorite to beat Warnock, and Kemp is minus 370 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: four hundred to beat Stacy Abrahams. That means you'd have 371 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: to bet, uh, you know, four hundred dollars to win 372 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 1: a one hundred dollars. He's a prohibitive favorite on both 373 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: sides there. I just think that's interesting for people who 374 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: were actually putting their money down on what they anticipate 375 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: happening in Georgia. By the way, you know, Clay I 376 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: mentioned this before. I just wanted to give the stats again. 377 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: This is from our friend Rat to Ryan Gerdusky's a 378 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 1: political analyst and a friend of the show. He put 379 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 1: this out, Georgia GOP primary turnout two thousand and six, 380 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: four hundred, nineteen thousand, two thousand and ten, six hundred 381 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: and eighty thousand, twenty fourteen, five hundred ninety six, twenty eighteen, 382 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,959 Speaker 1: six hundred eight thousand, twenty twenty two, one point one million. 383 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: All right, so people are fired up in Georgia. GOP 384 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:40,640 Speaker 1: voters are fired up in Georgia. Raffinsburger one the Secretary 385 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: of State, and he is somebody people know, probably mostly 386 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: because of at the national level, I should say, outside 387 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: the state of Georgia, because he had some a little 388 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,199 Speaker 1: bit of kerfuffle with Trump. It was a little bit 389 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: of a back and forth with Trump over the situation 390 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,880 Speaker 1: in Georgia, the election results, etc. So Pensberger did win, 391 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: and they've an opened primary in Georgia. So there was 392 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: some percentage of formerly registered Democrats who voted for Raffinsburger. 393 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 1: It was pretty substantial from what I saw. I think 394 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: it was seven percent of his vote came from formerly 395 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: registered Democrats. For whatever that means. Am I missing any 396 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 1: big ones in Joy? So we got the secretary. Oh Mark, 397 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: there was, of course Marjorie Taylor Green. Yeah, Marjorie Taylor Green. 398 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: She won her primary and try to keep her off. 399 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 1: We had her on the show to talk about the 400 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 1: lawsuit to which was which was absurd and and all that. 401 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:37,120 Speaker 1: But Clay, here here's my biggest takeaway from just last night. 402 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: I want to hear what yours is. We haven't, Clay 403 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 1: and I haven't even been able to chat about this 404 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: one as we've been talking about the other things going on. 405 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: I think that this is an indicator of people are 406 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 1: really unhappy with Biden and Republicans are. I think they're 407 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: the most fired up in my adult lifetime to cast 408 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: votes in favor of candidates who will stand with freedom, 409 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: the Constitution and against the insanity. I think that that's 410 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: it's not a done deal yet. I think that's what 411 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: Georgia is showing us right now. I think it's well said. 412 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 1: And by the way, total primary turnout up sixty three 413 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: percent over twenty eighteen. It almost passed the two twenty primaries, 414 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: which were obviously a presidential election year, when everybody was 415 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 1: super fired up to get their votes in to pick 416 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: a Democrat nominee back in twenty twenty. So we've got 417 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 1: at OutKick buck official request for comment into Major League 418 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 1: Baseball because they tried to brand this as Jim Crow 419 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: two point zero. I think Major League Baseball should have 420 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: to apologize to the state of Georgia. I think there 421 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: are a lot of corporations. Certainly Joe Biden's not gonna 422 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: do it, but we're gonna hold them accountable at OutKick 423 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: because I'm still outraged over the decision to pull the 424 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 1: All Star Game out of Atlanta based on a lie. 425 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: What is we now know a lie? I had two 426 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 1: big takeaways from this one Buck, to your point, Stacy 427 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 1: Abrahams and Joe Biden are a bigger story now than 428 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is. So if you look at the results 429 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: with Brian Kemp, and you look at the results in 430 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: that race where he won by seventy to twenty percent 431 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 1: something like that, people in Georgia overwhelmingly are saying we 432 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: want Stacy Abrams beaten, and we think Brian Kemp has 433 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: the best option to do it. So this is now 434 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,239 Speaker 1: a referendum. The midterms, as they should be, are not 435 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: a referendum on twenty twenty. They are a referendum on 436 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,719 Speaker 1: what's going on with Joe Biden and Stacy Abrams as 437 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 1: a candidate. Second takeaway, Buck, I think Donald Trump has 438 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,199 Speaker 1: to be very careful in understanding that if he is 439 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 1: going to run in twenty twenty four, it has to 440 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: be a forward looking campaign from his perspective, not a 441 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 1: backwards one. Let me explain what I mean by that. 442 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: The voters are telling us quite clearly that they are 443 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: unhappy with Joe Biden. If Donald Trump is running in 444 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, the only backwards look he needs to 445 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: be given is towards Joe Biden and talking about what 446 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: a bad job he's gonna do. I'll use a sports analogy. 447 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 1: You can't relitigate twenty twenty as a part of the 448 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four campaign. You, especially if you get to 449 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 1: run against Joe Biden again, can argue that people made 450 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,360 Speaker 1: the wrong choice, and here's why they need to pick 451 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 1: you going forward. My concern is Trump is going to 452 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 1: try to drag everybody back into twenty twenty. We don't 453 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 1: need to relitigate twenty twenty. I think the Republicans got screwed. 454 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: I think Donald Trump got screwed. I think Democrats use 455 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: COVID to rig the election. I think big tech rig 456 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:36,120 Speaker 1: the election. I think all that happened. But I'll use 457 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: the sports analogy here, Buck because george is a big 458 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: sports state and they're coming off a Braves championship and 459 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: to Georgia Bulldogs championship. Sometimes you lose a game because 460 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: there's a bad call made or because the rules are 461 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 1: designed incorrectly. You can't continue to talk about the game 462 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 1: that you're you've lost. You have to talk about find 463 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 1: a way to win going forward. And to me, what 464 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 1: of voters we're saying is we're way more concerned about 465 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: the future now than we are about relitigating the past. 466 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 1: And I think if Trump is smart, he will take 467 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 1: a lesson from this and start to focus on the 468 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 1: things that he would bring if he runs in twenty 469 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: twenty four for the four years more he'd be president, 470 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: instead of arguing about twenty twenty I think that's my 471 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 1: big takeaway. I would, I would. I would add just 472 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: two things to it. One is the mentality should be 473 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 1: we have to win by so much that their cheating 474 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Yes, that's that I want to I want 475 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 1: to hear Trump is running again. I think he is, 476 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,120 Speaker 1: or whatever the case may be I wanted the president. 477 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,360 Speaker 1: We're gonna win by so much that the cheating isn't 478 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: gonna matter. Comma, also, we're gonna do everything we can 479 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 1: before the votes are cast to make sure to your point, 480 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 1: that they aren't pulling nonsense and shenanigans, which is what 481 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 1: they did during the COVID year. I mean, Pennsylvania is 482 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 1: a perfect example of this. Pennsylvania state constitution explicitly did 483 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: not allow some of the voting changes that were made 484 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 1: to expand I mean, it's as clear as day. And 485 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: what I was having to say to people at the 486 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: time after that election, after the twenty twenty election was Guys, 487 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 1: I hear you, you're right, We're right, there's a problem 488 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania with this. No judge is going to say, well, 489 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 1: that shouldn't have been the rules that people voted under. 490 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: Therefore I'm going to throw out these votes. Now. That 491 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: can make people very angry, and I get it, but 492 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 1: that was the reality. No judge was going to say, well, 493 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: the you know, the the one hundred thousand votes or 494 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: the fifty thousand votes or whatever it is that came 495 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: in later than what would have been allowed with the 496 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: rule change, and we got Basically Trump campaign got caught 497 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 1: flat footed on the preemptive action against the way look 498 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: the way the Democrats want to cheat because look, my 499 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 1: attitude is they're always cheats. It's a question how much. 500 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: So I just I think you're one hundred percent right, Buck. 501 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: We gotta win Wisconsin, we gotta win pensylv We gotta 502 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: win Michigan, Minnesota, Georgia, New Mexico. I think is in 503 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: play with Minnesota and New Mexico. I think I think 504 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: I think Nevada is going to be in play if 505 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,719 Speaker 1: I can ever learn how to pronounce the state name correctly, 506 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: that the people in the state are happy. Um. And 507 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: I think if you Arizona, certainly, Georgia, all of those states. Right, 508 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: I don't want to win by a pen prick. And 509 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: let's be honest. Trump won in twenty twenty, twenty sixteen 510 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: by a small margin. Right, you change one hundred thousand 511 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: votes Hillary's elected, You change you know, forty thousand votes 512 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. We flip the election both ways, Trump 513 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: or whoever the nominee is in twenty twenty four, because 514 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be a robust primary debate about 515 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 1: who the best Republican standard bearer is. It needs to 516 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: be a campaign that's not trying to win in the margins. 517 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: It needs to be a campaign that kicks ass. I 518 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: think I think you could have with the right GOP candidate, 519 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: because you and I both know there's not there's not 520 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: going to be some great turnaround effort from is Bid administration, 521 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: even they know it to disaster. This is you know, 522 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: this is a mess. It's going to go down in history. 523 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: Is one of the least effective worst presidencies in living memory, 524 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: certainly maybe going back, you know, one hundred years. And 525 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: I look, I think the GOP right now, right now, 526 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: a lot of things can change. 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Welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck 566 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: Sexton show rolling through the Wednesday edition of the program. 567 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: Want to let you know that we are scheduled to 568 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: be joined by Kelly Loffler. We'll talk about the outcome 569 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: of the Georgia elections with her, and then Kelly Anne Conway, 570 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: who has a new book out, will join us at 571 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: two thirty Eastern. Both of those guests in the third 572 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: hour of the program. Obviously, a lot of you have 573 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: wanted to weigh in on what is going on in 574 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: so many different topics that we have been discussing, and 575 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: let's go first to John in Jacksonville. John, what's up hey. 576 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: Earlier in the show, you played a clip from the 577 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: basketball coach Steve Kerr, and very emotional his premise that, oh, 578 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: let's get background checks. That is already being done in 579 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: about nine of all gun sales. The only time it 580 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: is not done, of course, a private seller to private seller, 581 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: which in the big scheme of things, is a very 582 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: very small amount of transactions. I mean, you got up 583 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: back in the day when I was growing up in 584 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: the seventies, you could buy a long gun with no 585 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: check at all, And now they even run a check 586 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: for a shotgun. They run a check, and it's I mean, 587 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: what he's yelling out is already being done. Yeah, because 588 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: Steve the guy legally bought guns, right, So if you 589 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: can't implement a policy that would stop this from happening, 590 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: then all you're doing is screaming at the heavens. Thank 591 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: you for the call. By the way, that's what we 592 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: were saying. Yeah, he bought he bought two two semion 593 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: matic rifles from a federally licensed firearms dealer. They just 594 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: gave an updated press conference from Uvalde, Texas, where the governor. 595 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: The governor was giving the latest details, and he said 596 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: that there actually was no official mental health history of 597 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: the meeting, that he had not been institutionalized or anything 598 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: like that. So I just bring that up because to 599 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: Andy's point before about red flag laws for a gun 600 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 1: per sing or taking someone's guns away, even if you 601 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 1: were willing to give that power. And I think what 602 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 1: Andy McCarthy said is so spot on, which is, can't 603 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,760 Speaker 1: trust people that are, you know, just maniacal gun grabbers 604 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 1: in general against everybody to use those laws the way 605 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 1: they're intended. But even put that aside for a second, 606 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,919 Speaker 1: if the guy isn't if this shooter is now dead, 607 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: isn't in any way in the system, the system will 608 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: clear him and he'll buy the gun. He'll buy the 609 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,879 Speaker 1: gun legally. And then even beyond that, you have straw 610 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 1: I mean, people say, well, where where do all the 611 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: illegal guns come from? There's a lot of it's straw 612 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:38,360 Speaker 1: purchases where someone is risking a federal prison sentence. I 613 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: mean someone's actually they're breaking the law to buy a 614 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: gun to give to somebody else for money who has 615 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,799 Speaker 1: not passed the background check. How do you stop that? Well, 616 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,320 Speaker 1: it's a crime, but people do it all the time, 617 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: so it's not as easy as just take action. And 618 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 1: that's the bottom line, and for people to screaming and 619 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: everyone take action all the time, including better o'rouric. We'll 620 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,319 Speaker 1: get to that in a little bit. In a upted 621 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:05,360 Speaker 1: the press conference. He's a disgusting idiot, but he interrupted 622 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: the press conference that the governor of Texas was holding 623 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: on this issue. We'll come we'll give you the updates 624 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 1: on that in a few minutes. Jack in Louisiana, Hey Jack, 625 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,920 Speaker 1: how you doing. Hey, good afternoon. I'm a former intelligence 626 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,760 Speaker 1: officer and I used to practice a law public school 627 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: system in Michigan, and one thing I want to bring 628 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 1: to your attention is something that Michigan schools are I've 629 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: been toying with, experimenting with for at least a couple 630 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,280 Speaker 1: of years, and that's the threat identification of working groups. 631 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 1: It's kind of on the board level, and what these 632 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,839 Speaker 1: working groups do. It's distinguished from red flag laws. I think, 633 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: listening to your prior conversations and guests, these working groups 634 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: get together and based upon a federal template that's out there, 635 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 1: they come up with a list of factors Basically, they're observables. 636 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 1: So people have to be involved in other people's lives 637 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 1: just to work. And I think that's why you hear 638 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,280 Speaker 1: a lot of these quote calls for actions do something. 639 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: But these factors would be something like, you know, discovery 640 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 1: of a manifesto online or statement to a girlfriend and 641 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: he's gonna hurt somebody. And when these a series of 642 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: these factors are checked, there's a certain at least the 643 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: models that I work with, there would be a certain 644 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 1: series of steps. It'd be a graduated approach that the 645 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,399 Speaker 1: board would take, of course, including the parents. These threat 646 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 1: Working Group committees would be composed of parents, school members, 647 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 1: local law enforcement. But it these series of steps, so 648 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: one might be, you know, searching the kid's room. We've 649 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 1: got thank you, by the way, for the call we've 650 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: got to go to In the hour here, I think 651 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,800 Speaker 1: everybody is talking about potential ways to keep this from happening, 652 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: and Buck, we're going to continue to talk about there. 653 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 1: We have details updated details, by the way, on exactly 654 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 1: what you know the security situation was, and all of 655 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:58,839 Speaker 1: that will tell you coming up. Fleet Travis and Buck 656 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:08,880 Speaker 1: Sexton on the front lines of truth. M H.