1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Insider as alongside Mike Garifolo, Judi Batista, 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: Ian rappaport I am Tom Pellicero. If you are catching 3 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: the podcast, this is part two, you go over to 4 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: part one. We talk a lot about Daniel Jones, who 5 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: now Shane Steichens. We record this officially announcing that, yes, 6 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: it was as bad as it looked. Daniel Jones out 7 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: for the season because of a torn achilles. Also Riley Leonard, 8 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: who took over for Daniel Jones, dealing with knee soreness, 9 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: though they are hopeful he's going to be able to 10 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:33,279 Speaker 1: go on Sunday. Brett Rippon, the only other quarterback as 11 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: of this recording who is still has a locker in 12 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: that locker room. A lot to unpack in Indianapolis, and 13 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: again we talked extensively about this over in part one. 14 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: Let's look elsewhere in the AFC right now, because we 15 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 1: had a game yesterday between the Steelers and the Ravens 16 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: in which we can do a whole hour on that. 17 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: Spoiler alert, we don't have a whole hour on it. Here. 18 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: We do have an hour, but we don't have an hour. 19 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: Just total, not just for that got it deals take 20 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:03,319 Speaker 1: the one they beat the Ravens. They take a one 21 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: game lead. Now in the AFC North, capping off Ian 22 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: a week in which there was broad discussion about Mike 23 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: Comlin because the fans were chanting fire Tomlin, something that 24 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: we know is not going to happen in Pittsburgh. Aaron 25 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: Rodgers said, hey, maybe now you guys can all shut 26 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: up for a week. Here you got the Ravens who 27 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: have not looked right. Lamar has not looked right all season. 28 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: They once again struggled to find it. And yet still 29 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: we are a couple of let's call them unique officiating 30 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: and replay decisions away from the Ravens. Despite all that, 31 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: getting to win in that game. Ian, take this wherever 32 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: you want to go. I do know that you have 33 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: got You've got more than a few thoughts on the officiating. 34 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 3: I want to get to the one Lamar thing first, 35 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 3: and then I want to talk at the officiating. So 36 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 3: I think, like, none of us are exes and those 37 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 3: guys right, none of us are like Brian Balding or 38 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 3: a good buddy. But to my eyeballs, it looks like 39 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 3: Lamar is as good for as we've seen him in 40 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 3: quite a while. The touchdown run he had, I was 41 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 3: kind of like, okay, like that looks like Lamar And 42 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 3: I'm not saying he's going to go on like a 43 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 3: run now, but that's what I kind of think, Like 44 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 3: that was as close to being as physically good as 45 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 3: I think we've seen. And I know that they lost, 46 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 3: so like it's all bad, but there seemed to be 47 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 3: at least a glimmer of upside. And if I'm right, 48 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 3: which I'm sure I am, we're going to make sure 49 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 3: to come back to this. 50 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 2: The officiating. 51 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 3: I've seen the Isaiah Likely play. I understand. I went 52 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 3: through the pool report. Okay, you need to have control 53 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 3: of the ball, in other words, catch it, Okay, you 54 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 3: caught it. You need to have two feet down, Okay, 55 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 3: you only have two feet both of them were down 56 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 3: in the end zone. And then you need to do 57 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 3: an act common to football, which is like I guess 58 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 3: a third foot and then secure the ball. 59 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 2: And I'm like, I understand it philosophically. 60 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 3: I guess, like if he falls and cradles the ball, 61 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 3: that's an act you can't fall, But like, why do 62 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 3: you need more than two feet and catching the ball 63 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:02,679 Speaker 3: isn't like you only have two feet. You don't have 64 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 3: a third foot like you need. How many other feet 65 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 3: do you need besides just the two? You have to 66 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 3: know that you've secured a ball that looked to me 67 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 3: like catch that literally changed the game. Mike, I know 68 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 3: you're going to tell me that I'm wrong, but I 69 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 3: just don't understand why it's not as simple as catch 70 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 3: the ball and you have your two feet down. 71 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 2: That's literally just a catch. 72 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: And real quick, you're Jim or mean John Harbaugh speaking 73 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: to reporter instead of the catch rule. As we record this, 74 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: the rule is about as clear as mud right now. 75 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: That's how I feel about it. We had a conversation 76 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: with the league office and we appreciate that it didn't 77 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: clear anything up. It didn't make it any easier to understand, 78 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: which my two medions. 79 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 2: Point on the competition committee. 80 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: I don't believe Judy, you know, I don't believe John 81 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: is on the competition. 82 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 4: You think so Tom one is it was right? But yeah, Tom, 83 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 4: I don't know. 84 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: Maybe that's why that's maybe he got the calls. No, 85 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: I'm kidding. Those are huge plays in the game, to 86 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: say nothing of the other play with Aaron Rodgers, where 87 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: apparently if you're got your knees on the ground and 88 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: you're bringing in the ball. That's different rule. 89 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 5: I mean Ian said he wanted to talk about officiating. 90 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 5: That's incorrect. 91 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 2: He wanted to talk. 92 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 5: About the competition committee because his problem is not with 93 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 5: the officiating. His problem is with the rule. Hate the 94 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 5: rule officiating and listen, they've loosen that. It used to 95 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 5: be even worse. I mean, des didn't catch it per 96 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 5: the rules back then, per the rules now does caught 97 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 5: it because he made that act come into the game 98 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 5: by taking the. 99 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 2: Ball and reaching. 100 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 5: So he had it out here. He either he's got 101 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 5: to bring it here or he's got to get the 102 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 5: third step while the ball is out because at that 103 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 5: point it's like, okay, that's enough time, Like we're good. 104 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 5: That's three steps. That's more than the number of feet 105 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 5: that you have per Ian's math. 106 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: So I I sucks, but like it. 107 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 5: Sometimes it looks weird, but sometimes that's kind of how 108 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 5: it looks and how it's supposed to be officiated and. 109 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 2: How it's written. 110 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 5: So you know, it's tough. 111 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 2: It's tough. 112 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 5: I mean, at the time we're talking about the Bears 113 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 5: Packers game could have gone other way. 114 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 2: We're talking about the Ravens Steeler. 115 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 5: We could have been talking more about Mike Tomlin's job 116 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 5: security and whether or not he's going to be traded 117 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 5: and which dates in the calendar are important when it 118 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 5: comes to Mike Tomlin for twenty twenty six. But we're not. 119 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 5: We're talking about we're back in first place. Cool you 120 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 5: guys talking about what's going to happen in the offseason. 121 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 5: We're still trying to make the playoffs here as how 122 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 5: fine the line is, especially when. 123 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: The rules are written the way that they're written in Judy, 124 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: here's my baseline thing. And this is all anecdotal, right, 125 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: because we all watch a lot of different games on Sundays. 126 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: We don't see every single call. We don't see all 127 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: necessarily the times where replay assist gets something right, or 128 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: sometimes the assistant to the replay assistant or the assistant 129 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: replay assistant corrects the replay assistant, like happened in the 130 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: game last night. Yeah, I'm still trying to very odd 131 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: sequence and something something that I have noticed is it 132 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: does seem and it doesn't. I know that the league 133 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: would say they've not changed the clear preponderance, the clear 134 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 1: and obvious standard for these things, But there have been 135 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 1: a bunch of different things in games this year that 136 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 1: have stood out in my mind, where whether it's a 137 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 1: player going to the ground and whether the ball, whether 138 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 1: they lost control of the balls. We've always heard the 139 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: ball can move as long as you maintain control. There 140 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 1: have been a couple of things that have been overturned. Yesterday, 141 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: the likely catch gets overturned. The Rogers play is another 142 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: one where, again based on how replay is being used judy, 143 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: it seems like whether there is an actual change in 144 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,799 Speaker 1: philosophy or it's just the way that things are happening. 145 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 1: This year there are more plays where it seems like 146 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: replay is inserting itself in situations where, to use my standard, 147 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: which is fifty drunks in a bar, you probably wouldn't 148 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: have fifty people on the same page. 149 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 4: They don't want to use they don't want to have 150 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 4: what we all call a sky jug, which is essentially 151 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 4: New York correcting everything that's on the field. But when 152 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 4: you talk to them, the goal is to get the 153 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 4: call correct right, no matter how much they have to 154 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 4: insert themselves. I mean, especially when you're coming down to 155 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 4: games like this right where playoff spots are going to 156 00:06:59,960 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 4: be determined, and so do I think they're inserting themselves more, Yes, 157 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 4: I do. I think they're overturning more calls that are 158 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 4: very very close and that you would say, will is 159 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 4: there enough evidence to overturn the call on the field, 160 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 4: which used to be the baseline, right like, do you 161 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 4: see enough to overturn on the field. I do feel 162 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 4: like they're doing their being more aggressive about that. I 163 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 4: would say that the more they use replay assistant and 164 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 4: the more comfortable they get with that, and the more 165 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 4: comfortable everybody in the league is understanding that New York 166 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 4: is watching everything. I do think that they have gotten 167 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 4: more aggressive about overturning plays they think are wrong, the 168 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 4: overturning calls they believe are wrong to get them right. 169 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 4: The bottom line is they want to get it right, 170 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 4: and if they have to overturn more than we're used 171 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 4: to seeing, they're going to do. 172 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: It, which, by the way, is the entire problem with 173 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: the idea of and you see it every week people say, 174 00:07:55,560 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: why isn't everything reviewable? Sky Judge, just take for the 175 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: they've never what the Competition Committee has never done, as 176 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: you know, Judy, is they never want someone's subjective judgment 177 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: to replace somebody else's subjective judgment that appears to be 178 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: the path that again, intentionally or otherwise, we're going down 179 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: with some of the calls. 180 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 4: Well, I think I think we're not to the point 181 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 4: where they're going to go back to making past interference 182 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 4: reviewable because that was such a fiasco. But they don't 183 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 4: view these as judgment calls. Right, this is either you're 184 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 4: making a football move or you're not making a football move. 185 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 4: So therefore it's either a complete pass or it's not 186 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 4: a complete pass. So then that's black and white. And 187 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 4: I think, I mean, we have talked about this as 188 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 4: they have used more and more cameras, like over the 189 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 4: twenty years, right that as replay has become finer and 190 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 4: finer and finer, and you can see more and more 191 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 4: and more minute things slower and slower. You knew this 192 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 4: was going to happen. We were going to get to 193 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 4: this point where they're looking at it like frame by 194 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 4: frame and going right, is the did he make a move? 195 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 4: Is the the ball? Is he pulling the ball in? 196 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 4: Like you knew we were getting to this and now 197 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 4: we're getting to it where you can see like every 198 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 4: frame and they are, that's overturning more calls like they 199 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 4: I don't think they want. I think the preference would 200 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 4: be to get the call right on the field and 201 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 4: say that's correct, move along. But I think the bottom 202 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 4: line is they got to get these calls correct, and 203 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 4: so they're going to insert themselves if they have to. 204 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: I just don't know Ian, who's rooting for if it 205 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 1: looks like, all right, seventy five percent chance we got 206 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: that call wrong. I don't know who's rooting for the 207 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,959 Speaker 1: seventy five percent chance overturn it. To me, it's got 208 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: to be I mean, you guys might remember at the 209 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: NFL Network sum at one time when Al river On 210 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: was still running things and he was showing us some 211 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: play and I was like, so you're telling me you 212 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: showed just all thirty two teams and all thirty two 213 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: said that's the correct call. He goes, well, I won't 214 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: say all thirty two, And I go, well, then, how 215 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 1: is that clear and obvious? It needs to be one 216 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 1: hundred percent toss me like the ball hit the ground. 217 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 2: Like. 218 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: I don't Ian personally want to get into the minutia 219 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:02,079 Speaker 1: of it, but it appears again we're incrementally going that 220 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: direction because the NFL feels like they're trying to correct 221 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: the calls. We're just we're in a space now where 222 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: we're getting to the point where if they don't correct 223 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: the call that looks like well fifty one percent this way, 224 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: then people lose their minds over that. I don't think 225 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: that's the place that we want to be. 226 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think one thing, like to Judy's point, 227 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 3: is they are getting unbelievably comfortable with like someone getting 228 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 3: in the ear of someone and saying like like all right. 229 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 2: We're just we're just gonna change us our replace this move. 230 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 3: I'm like, we are all now fully used to someone 231 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 3: hears from someone okay, change the call. So it's like 232 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 3: that's in our consciousness now. I guess that's okay. Like 233 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 3: I think you're right, like get the call as right 234 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 3: as you possibly can. It does seem like there's a 235 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 3: lot of overreach now, which like baseball is going to 236 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 3: robot umps. So I guess until we have robot referees 237 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 3: with full lasers and whatever making the calls, which will 238 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 3: be probably in like five years or maybe two years, 239 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 3: I guess it's the best we got. 240 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,119 Speaker 4: We'll be back with more from the Insiders. 241 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: Judy, you got a new calum up at NFL dot com. 242 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: Winners and losers coming out of the Sunday of Week fourteen. 243 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: Give us a taste here. What's the tip of your 244 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: time that we haven't hit already in this podcast. 245 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 4: First of all, I would say the Carolina Panthers were 246 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 4: winners and they were on the buy. But the Bucks 247 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 4: using at home to the Saints. Yeesh, that was one 248 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 4: of the ugliest losses you'll see this season, drop them 249 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 4: into a tie for the NFC's out. They looked like 250 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:27,719 Speaker 4: the Bucks were going to run away with us only 251 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 4: a few weeks ago. The Panthers have been really up 252 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 4: and down all season, but they hung in there enough. 253 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 4: Now they're in a tie. They still face each other 254 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 4: twice and at the Bucks are getting healthier. They should 255 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 4: be getting Mike Evans back shortly. McMillan should be back 256 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 4: shortly hopefully. They played twice in the last three weeks, 257 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 4: so the division is coming down to those games. But 258 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 4: I mean the Panthers were winners. I think the Eagles 259 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 4: were winners this weekend because Dallas lost on Thursday and 260 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 4: that was about the best possible thing that could happen 261 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 4: outside of the positivity rabbit. I can't wait to see 262 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 4: how that pans out this week. 263 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 2: You mean it's all positive. 264 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 4: It's so good. I love the positivity rabbit, Like, where 265 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 4: did they find that? Anyway? That was great because that 266 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 4: basically buried the Cowboys further right, kept them far enough 267 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 4: in the distance, and so even while their offense is 268 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 4: still a mess and they need positivity rabbits. I mean, 269 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 4: the Eagles are now in a really good position. I 270 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 4: actually thought the Raiders were a winner because they're probably 271 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 4: going to get the number one overall draft pick. I 272 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 4: checked with our I checked with our research people, and 273 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 4: it's probably going to pan out that way. And Fernando 274 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 4: Mendoza was really awesome in the College Championship Big Ten 275 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 4: Championship game the other night. Good on the Raiders. I 276 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 4: don't even remember who I have as losers beyond Daniel 277 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 4: Jones and the Indianapolis Bolts. Those were my big losers. 278 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: A few other things here. Ian The Bills closed out 279 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 1: that game in fairly epic fashion. Also essentially have a 280 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: rat the long shot hopes of the Bengals. There's a lot, 281 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: there's a lot there Joe Burrow plays phenomenal other than 282 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: two backbreaking interceptions, but also the way the Bills finished 283 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: was pretty impressive in that game. 284 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 2: I mean, it was awesome. 285 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 3: It was it was the full Josh Allen experience when 286 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 3: he goes from like Josh Allen to Josh Lee Alien 287 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 3: whatever they call him, Like he was like the MVP. 288 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 2: I don't know who's going to win the MVP. 289 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 3: I mean, there's a couple of players who I think 290 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 3: could win it every year, and it sort of feels 291 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 3: like the public is kind of for Matthew Stafford. 292 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 2: That's kind of what just my anecdotal feel is. 293 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 3: But if Josh Allen has more moments like he did 294 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 3: on Sunday. 295 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 2: Like he should win it. 296 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 3: Like he was the best player in the NFL for 297 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 3: fifteen minutes, unstoppable And like the Bengals defense, I know 298 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 3: that they're bad, but there weren't like really that bad. 299 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 3: The Bills offense was functioning at an unbelievable high level 300 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 3: and Josh Allen was awesome. And if they're going to 301 00:13:56,280 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 3: do that, then they might actually be in the super Bowl. 302 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: We had Matt Ryan coming on The Insiders tomorrow. We 303 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: recorded he and I did that interview today, he's great 304 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: the way to hear for to Josh Allens, he's the 305 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 1: one guy that you've seen. He also gave credit to 306 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: Stafford and Drake maybe said, Josh Allen's the one guy 307 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: who you can see putting a team on his back 308 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: and leading a playoff run. You certainly got a taste 309 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: of that yesterday, Mike NFC West. The Rams bounced back 310 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: in fairly convincing fashion. And I still I think I 311 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: say it every week on Monday, I'm like, who wants 312 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: to face the Seahawks? Who wants to deal with that 313 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: defense and the various ways that they can beat you offensively? 314 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: Even though I don't know what they came out firing 315 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: on all cylinders on offense in the first half. It 316 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: was another you know, pretty impressive showing going on the 317 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: road and get a win. 318 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, but Sam darnold, you gotta do it in a 319 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 5: big game, right, like God doing a big game on 320 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 5: the road. That game against the Rams a couple of 321 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 5: weeks ago. Still in my head, he looked a little 322 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 5: jittery in that game, and so that's going to be 323 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 5: that's that's that's it, Like there's nothing left to talk 324 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 5: about with Sam Darnold other than that kind of a 325 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 5: moment and can he do it unlessen honestly, if he 326 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 5: played a little bit better, they win that game. So 327 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 5: uh yeah, that that's gonna be a fun one to 328 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 5: watch coming down the stretch. Rashid Shahid, the trade that 329 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 5: was made midway through the season, uh was for his 330 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 5: impact not only on offense but also on special teams, 331 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 5: and we saw both yesterday. 332 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 2: What a terrific addition for a. 333 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 5: Team that didn't have to a team that could have 334 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 5: sat there and said, we've got the best receiver in 335 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 5: the league. We've got Cooper Cup that can contribute. What 336 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 5: else do we need? No, We're gonna add to a 337 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 5: position to strength. So sometimes it's not about filling filling hole. 338 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 5: Sometimes about getting even stronger where you are strong. And 339 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 5: the Seahawks did that and we saw the impact there 340 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 5: and maybe for Shahit coming down the stretch. So yeah, 341 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 5: I mean from from from I would say from top 342 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 5: to bottom because Arizona so banged up in the Kyler 343 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 5: Murray situation. But the first three teams in the NFC West, 344 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 5: I don't think you want to see any of them 345 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 5: in the post. 346 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 4: I think actually that was one of my losers. Is 347 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 4: like any team trying to get in as a bubble 348 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 4: team into the NFC playoff fields, because the seventh seed 349 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 4: right now, which has been Niners right now, already has 350 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 4: nine wins. Crazy, it's crazy, like you're going to have 351 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 4: an eleven win team not get in. Probably, it's just 352 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 4: ridiculous what the NFC field looks like right now. 353 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: We also saw two of the certainly the two highest 354 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: profile quarterbacks from this past year's draftee and go head 355 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: to head and one of the entertaining games of the weekend. 356 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: You know, if you're thinking about this big picture as 357 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: a fan of the Titans and the Browns, you got 358 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: to be like, oh man, this is great watching our 359 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: quarterback play well, but also, don't win this game. Don't 360 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: screw this up. We got major draft capital coming our way. 361 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski comes out today. It says Shadoor Sanders gets 362 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: the rest of the season as the starter. Says that 363 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: he has improved consistently and constantly, which, of course is 364 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: met with the same level of insane reactions on both 365 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: sides as everything else involving Shadoor Sanders. He's a few 366 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: starts into his career. There's some good, there's some bad. 367 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: There's certainly enough good there to continue to explore it. 368 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: And I think that that's what gets lost in this 369 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 1: whole debate. Is it forget the he's the greatest or 370 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: he sucks debate? You know, he's on that short list 371 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: of players with the t Bows and Cam Newton's and 372 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 1: Kaepernicks of the world where it's like one guy can 373 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: make smart people dumber and dumb people even dumber than that, 374 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 1: and Chador is certainly in that realm. Through I wouldn't 375 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: say mostly any fault of his own, it's just the 376 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 1: overreactions to, hey, there's something here, let's keep exploring it. 377 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 2: What's crazy about him? 378 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 3: And for all like the national angst, which has really 379 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 3: been like bizarre Land, he seems to be handling everything 380 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 3: great like seems to be a good teammate, is pres 381 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 3: conviences are great. When the moment gets really big, he 382 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 3: seems to play well. I have no idea what Shador 383 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 3: Sanders is going to be, but my main takeaway is 384 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 3: at the absolute bottom least he is showing the Browns. 385 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 3: It was worth the draft pick by a lot. If 386 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 3: he's not the starter next year. I think he's done 387 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 3: a pretty good job of being like he could be 388 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 3: the backup at the very least. I would like to 389 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 3: see more. I don't know if he's gonna be the 390 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 3: franchise guy, but like has handled himself great enough, good plays, 391 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 3: made some mistakes for sure. Seems like a good guy. 392 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:20,679 Speaker 3: This has been all a win. Now the public major 393 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 3: argument of it. Sometimes that might make a team go, oh, 394 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 3: is this worth It feels to me like it's been 395 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 3: worth it so far. 396 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 2: Plus it's very entertaining, so I'm here for all of it. 397 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: Last thing, Judy, all Right, prediction time. Browns have two 398 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 1: first dround picks in the twenty twenty sixth draft. Do 399 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: they use one or both of those on the quarterback? 400 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: Rustlers are going to knuck and leave before you answer. 401 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 4: I think they do. I think they do if they 402 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 4: love one. And I don't think we know yet how 403 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,719 Speaker 4: many of those kinds of guys are going to be 404 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 4: in this class. And we won't know it until we 405 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 4: do we get much further into the run up to 406 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 4: the process. 407 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: All Right, that's a meet everybody. Yeah, it's a nice 408 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: cop out. Judy and Florid love watching and listening today. 409 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: You can find us five days a week, including on 410 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: NFL Network Tuesday's, Wednesdays Fridays live at seven pm Eastern Time. 411 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: Thanks for being here for Judy, Mike, and Ian. I'm Tom. 412 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: See you