1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: This is the business of sports where in the situation 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: that we haven't dealt with in modern times, pandemic here 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 1: has really accelerated the investments that we've been advocating for 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: for years. Almost everyone else there is hoping that there's 5 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: some kind of return to normal by August September. In 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: depth conversations with the leaders in the sports industry, who 7 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: wants to be the sacrificial lambs that shows up at 8 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: the first big major sporting events. Were part of something 9 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: much bigger than the sports right now, and the health 10 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: and safety of our stakeholders is both smart important every moment, 11 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: I think we're all from business respective thinking about the 12 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: impact that the virus is having across the country. Bloomberg 13 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: Business of Sports from Bloomberg Radio. Hello, I'm Jason Kelly 14 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 1: and Mike Lynch, and I'm Michael Barr. Over the next hour, 15 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: we will explore the big money issues in the world 16 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: of sports and talk to some of the biggest players 17 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: in the industry, well and big players in the game. 18 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: The game's about to begin. We think, we hope we're 19 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: going to get some perspective on the Major League Baseball 20 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: season and the COVID nineteen effect on in it. We're 21 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: gonna sit down with Cincinnati Reds pitcher Trevor Bowrett. He's 22 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: an ace on the field, we know that also has 23 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: some big thoughts about business. So we'll get into that 24 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: in just a few minutes. But first, what a big 25 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: week in sports, guys, And I gotta start with the 26 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: IVY League, in part because we have an Ivy leaguer 27 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: among us. Uh, if you were going to play Harvard football, 28 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 1: Mike Lynch, you wouldn't be playing this fall. It's crazy. 29 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: It's it's crazy. And the the IVY League took the 30 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: lead last March where they were the first to cancel 31 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: their IVY League Basketball men's and women's tournament on March 32 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: tent and I thought they really jumped the gun on 33 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: that thing. And obviously, uh, they made the right call 34 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: because shortly thereafter, the n C Double A wiped out 35 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: March Madness, and we know what happened to the rest 36 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: of spring sports. Now, the IVY League has made another 37 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: bold decision that has caught the attention of everybody nationwide. 38 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: And I talked to some people in the in the administration. 39 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: I said, why can't you make this thing work for 40 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: soccer or field hockey. Uh, and you know, with spacing, 41 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: And they said, we can, we can hand what's happening 42 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: on our own fields. But think about this. There are 43 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: Ivy League teams and some major cities. Pen Is in Philadelphia, 44 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: Columbia's in New York City, Brown Is in Providence, Rhode Island. 45 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: We're in Boston. And if we want to get on 46 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 1: a bus and drive to Philadelphia, well, we've got a 47 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: space people on the bus. So in instead of taking 48 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: two buses, now we've got to take four or five buses. 49 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: We get to a hotel. Instead of putting two players 50 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 1: in a room, we've got to get double the number 51 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: of rooms. And who how do we know who's working 52 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 1: in the in the hotels that we're staying at. Now 53 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: we get to another locker room in Philadelphia, it's a 54 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 1: small locker room. Um, how do we space people apart? 55 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: How do we know who's been in there before us? 56 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: And it just makes sense health wise, not for the 57 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: not for the for the for the sport, reason health 58 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: wise for us just to put everything on hold because 59 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: there's no end in sight to this thing. And so 60 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: now they're pushed back to January. Now they're talking about 61 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: perhaps playing the false sports in the spring season, but 62 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: when our is it Harvard, I played football in baseball, 63 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 1: So what do you do in the spring do you do? 64 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: You have to make a choice. Do you play with 65 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: football or do you play baseball? Do you play uh 66 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: field hockey or do you play lacrosse? And that that's 67 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: a tough call. So it's gonna be interesting to see 68 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: how the other leagues around the country. Now. I know 69 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: the big power conferences are going to say, well, it's 70 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: the IVY League. You know, we're not gonna we're not 71 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: going to follow their lead, but I think it's going 72 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: to get the attention of a lot of people. Well, 73 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: Michael Barr, I mean, this is a money issue. When 74 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,839 Speaker 1: it comes to that breakdown. It feels like if you're 75 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: in the Big ten or the SEC, you've got candidly 76 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: a lot more money on the line here than the 77 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: IVY League. I mean, I know when Lynchy was playing football, 78 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: the crowds were enormous, just chanting his name in the stands. 79 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: But it's just it's a slightly different Uh, it's a 80 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: slightly different model now. But you know, if you're at 81 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: the University of Alabama or Clemson or or Michigan, you're 82 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: thinking about this a little bit differently, I think, right, 83 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: bar oh yeah, And and this is Gary because it 84 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: trust me, they are all looking at what the IVY 85 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: League just did. And like you said, if you're playing 86 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: for the University of Michigan, if you're playing for Alabama, 87 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: and you know, down in Alabama, man, it's like football 88 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: there is like that nothing beats football there at this time, 89 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 1: you know. And so I just worry if we're not 90 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: going to see this happen for a lot of collegiate 91 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: sports this year because of the IVY League and maybe 92 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: many others following suit. Well, I just wonder if you 93 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: don't have a push down south and maybe in the 94 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 1: Midwest to start, and then they end up sort of 95 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: giving up the ghost at some point. Well, meanwhile, all 96 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: the way out west Stanford, which has been kind of 97 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: an Olympian factory in many cases, in many sports and 98 00:04:55,960 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: for many years, Lynchy, they are saying eleven sports they're 99 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: just gonna cut at the end of this academic year. 100 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: That's brutal. Yeah, they're looking at a seventy million dollar 101 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: a shortfall right now. Some of the sports that are 102 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: going will be volleyball, wrestling, rowing, and as we've all 103 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: seen around all these colleges around the country over the years, 104 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,119 Speaker 1: when you lose a sport, you never ever get it back. 105 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 1: And that is so sad that some of these non 106 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: revenue sports, which really make up the lifeblood of the 107 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: true student athlete. Um. You know that that that rows, 108 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: that wrestles, that plays volleyball, that runs on the cross 109 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 1: country team, strictly for the love of it. They don't 110 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: do it for the money because they know there's not 111 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: going to be a professional league when they graduate. And 112 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: that that's the sad part. So we're really losing, uh, 113 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: not only the sports, but we're losing the true meaning 114 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: of a student athlete that many of these schools. And 115 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: if Stanford can't make it, I mean it really is. 116 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: You know what's one of those like these crazy kids 117 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: can't make it in this world? Who can? But like, seriously, 118 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: if Stanford can't come up with the money, I worry 119 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: about the thou pisens of colleges and universities across the country. 120 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: Bar who aren't Stanford? Yes? Right? And plus you gotta 121 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: worry about the scholarships. You know, not everybody gets in 122 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: on a scholarship uh, playing football. You know there are 123 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: people who get in on a scholarship playing tennis and 124 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: fencing and all that is just going to go up 125 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: in flames now. And it's sad. And like you said 126 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: that Stanford, if they can't pull it off, the other 127 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 1: colleges have to be worried about it. And again we 128 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: have to pour one out at least temporarily for the 129 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: Ryder Cup. Lynch Uh not gonna be played in Yeah. 130 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 1: We talked to um Jay Monaghan earlier this year, and 131 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 1: I also talked with the CEO of p G a 132 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 1: is Is recently as a month ago. I said we're 133 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: a full go. But the players really put a lot 134 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: of pressure on on the p G a especially Rory 135 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: Michael Roy said that this is just not the same 136 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: without the fans and and I agree with them, and 137 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: and there's no way and if nobody else is playing, 138 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: and I know they're not playing some golf tournaments, but 139 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: this is really a fan and driven event, the Ryder Cup, 140 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: and I think it's the right call. They'll get back 141 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: at Whistling Straight Side in Wisconsin next year, and I 142 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: think it's it's the right call. After nine eleven, they 143 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: postponed the Ryder Cup for a year and and and 144 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: there's no reason they can't do it again this year, 145 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: and they are going to do it well and Barr 146 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: it's interesting, I mean, and I think Linda brings up 147 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: exactly the right point. The fan driven experiences are the 148 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: ones that you really can't You just can't do them 149 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: right now. I mean, other sports are able to do 150 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: it without fans. That's gonna be weird, um, but but 151 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: there are certain things that you just can't do. It's 152 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: what's weird about the Ryder Cup. Ordinarily, when you're at 153 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: a golf tournament, they want the gallery to shut the 154 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: heck up, But at the Ryder Cup, it's a totally 155 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: different atmosphere. And I think Seth Moss said at the 156 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: best a Ryder Cup with no fans is not a 157 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: Ryder Cup. So how can you do it? So let's 158 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: let's hopefully that they'll play it in. We got our 159 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: fingers Cross. Thank you so much for joining us. We're 160 00:07:58,520 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: here each and every week for you at the same 161 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: time talking to some of the biggest names in sports. 162 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: This week no exception, I'm Jason Kelly along with Mike 163 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: Clinch and Michael Bart. We are so excited. Cincinnati reds 164 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: ace Trevor Bauer, one of the most outspoken players, one 165 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: of the most entrepreneurial players out there, so much to 166 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: talk about. What a world we are living in. Trevor, 167 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: first of all, how are you like? What's your world 168 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: like right now? It's a little bit hectic, but it's 169 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: actually it's not that bad. Um, I'm in Cincinnati. We're 170 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: I guess during summer camp is what they're calling it? 171 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: Spring training? Two point on? Whatever it is. UM obviously 172 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: had a lot of regulations and testing and differences, but 173 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: it's good to be background baseball. It's it's been eight 174 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: months since we've really had an extended period of baseball, 175 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: so really enjoying that part of it. We Trevor, a 176 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: lot of tough conversations, a lot of spirited conversations, to 177 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: say the least, getting us to this point where we 178 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: are on the eve of baseball. What happened? I mean, 179 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: as you look back on this, what really was the 180 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: main contention point? Was it camp? Was it safety and health? Like? 181 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: What really broke down here? There's a lot of issues, 182 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: and I think it all kind of boils down to 183 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: the distrust between the two sides. Uh, it's hard to 184 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: have a working relationship in in any walk of life, business, baseball, 185 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: personal friendship, whatever. If you don't trust the other side, 186 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: if you think the other side is trying to take 187 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: advantage of you, then it's very hard to sit down 188 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: and work together and try to find some agreement. And 189 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: I don't think that the players trust MLB, and I 190 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: don't think m WILB trusted players right now. So from 191 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: the very beginning, I think the first mistake, the biggest 192 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: mistake that was made in the entire thing, was to 193 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: make it a public um to negotiate in the public sphere. 194 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: I mean, the first thing that was that happened was 195 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: the is leaked to the media that they were considering, uh, 196 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: proposing a revenue split, and that actually never happened. They 197 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: didn't actually propose that in the official way. They just 198 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: leaked it to the media. And then obviously players reacted 199 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: to that, fans reacted to that um they were able 200 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: to judge public perception of it, and then they ended 201 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: up not submitting that and submitting something different. But it 202 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: started every thing being negotiated in the public sphere. So 203 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: if you look at it from a business owner's perspectives, like, 204 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: if you're only worried about this year and trying to 205 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: save the bottom line this year, it may make some 206 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: sense because you're negotiating and trying to get the best 207 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: deal possible, you're putting pressure on their side, and ultimately 208 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: they got a pretty good deal for him. And the 209 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: way I see it, um, they you know, they negotiated 210 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: for what I figured they wanted the entire time, which 211 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: was as few games as possible, to have a postseason 212 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: where they paid players as little as possible during the season, 213 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: and then get postseason money. So you could say that 214 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: they did a good job when your side negotiating it. 215 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: But the problem is it's a short sided tactic the 216 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: only way about this year and not the relationship between 217 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: the players and the owners and the healthy industry over 218 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: the next five years, ten years, twenty years. So I 219 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: think they missed a boat on that. And on the 220 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: player's side, it was about, you know, feeling like we 221 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: weren't being treated fairly. Um. You know, when we sign 222 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: our contracts, it's not a per game amount, it's not 223 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: a non guaranteed an assigning bonus. It's we signed for 224 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: ten million or five million or the vast majority of 225 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: players are making uh, you know, less less than one million, 226 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: so they may signed for five fifty thousand, which is 227 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,839 Speaker 1: the week minimum, and then if they get hurt in 228 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: spring training and never play, they don't get paid less. 229 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 1: They still get paid their salary. So in the beginning, 230 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: we agreed to uh, you know, pro rate our salaries 231 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 1: per the game, per the number of games played. It 232 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,439 Speaker 1: didn't seem to make sense that you we would be 233 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: paid for a hundred and sixty two games if we 234 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: were only gonna play eighty or sixty or something like that. 235 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 1: But the owners repeatedly were asking us to take additional 236 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: cuts on top of the pro rated amounts. And what 237 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:13,959 Speaker 1: I think what they did is they just decided, look, 238 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: this is the amount of money when we're going to spend. 239 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: Because all their offers came in around the thirty mid 240 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: of our full salary. So whether that was eighty games 241 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 1: with pay, or it was you know, sixty games at 242 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: full provate and pay or whatever, it all came out 243 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: to be almost exactly the same amount of money. So 244 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: they clearly we're looking to protect their bottom One about 245 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: the c b A coming into the future, what what 246 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: are we looking at because yes, it seems like you 247 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 1: mentioned that it was kind of damage of the relations 248 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 1: between the union and UH and the league. What is 249 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 1: the future for the CB? All you got, um, two 250 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: freight trains on the same tracks, how to directly towards 251 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 1: each other. So hopefully we're able to find the solution 252 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: and divert the trains so making peacefully to exist. But 253 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: the way it's set up right now, that's it doesn't 254 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: look good for for c B. A. What Trevor, I've 255 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: got you in my draft next week because we are 256 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: drafting for baseball for sixty games, and I got you 257 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: high up and one of the things that you said 258 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: that convinced me is that you said you wanted to 259 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 1: to pitch more. Uh. Yes, it's a sixty game season, 260 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: but you wanted to to pitch more to get your 261 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: represent Can you expand more on that? Yeah? So I 262 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: actually I take a lot of measurements on myself on 263 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: a daily basis. I dropped blood, high rate, monitor high 264 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: rate variability, throwing loads, all sorts of different stuff, force 265 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: plate measurements, So I collect like fifty data points on 266 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: myself every day, UM, and so I can look at 267 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: how that affects my recovery curves and when I'm an 268 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: optimal shape to train to pitch and stuff like that. 269 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: And what we found over two or three years of 270 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: doing that is actually I'm most optimized to pitch on 271 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: the fourth day of the rotation instead of the fifth day. 272 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: I recovered best, and I'm I'm most primed to pitch 273 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: on that day, So I would prefer to pitch. Um, 274 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: I guess with three days rest, so every fourth day 275 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: regularly anyway during during a normal season, but especially during 276 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: a sixty game season, there's no risk wearing down towards 277 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: the end because I'll be pitching about half even even 278 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: going on four days, that'll be pitching about half of 279 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: what I normally do during a regular season. So I 280 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: would like to do that. Hopefully it happens. Um. Obviously, 281 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: the most important thing is helping the team win and 282 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: trying to get in the playoffs and winning World Series. 283 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: But um, personally, if if there's just me in a vacuum, 284 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: that's what I'd like to do. So, or if you 285 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: pitched in the fifties, sixties and seventies, you'd have your 286 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: wish with the four man rotation. How do you convince 287 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: your your manager that that you should go over fourth day. Well, 288 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: it's uh, it's having honest conversations about it. I've presented 289 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: the data. I've talked to him about how I feel 290 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: and why I feel that way, how I would handle 291 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: the different situations, how it would potentially affect you know, 292 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: the other people in the rotation, different ways around that. 293 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: There's a couple different options. So I actually made a presentation, 294 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: um of a brief presentation outlining all the different ways 295 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: that you could go about it, and some different options 296 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: and different problems that would have to be overcome, the 297 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: problems that will be solved by it. And we've been 298 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: having that conversation for close to a year now actually, UM. 299 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: But it's a it's a conversation that I'll have with 300 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: uh for everything we talked to this off season on 301 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: the free agent So it's been good practice getting that, uh, 302 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: giving that presentation kind of outlined and and talking about 303 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: it and seeing seeing how it's perceived. But David has 304 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: been great. He's been open to it and willing to 305 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: listen to me, which is not something I can say 306 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: for all the managers that I've had in my baseball career. 307 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: So UM, it's been it's been good, Trevor. Let's talk 308 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: about your business, because the business of Trevor, you have 309 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: managed it a little bit differently all along the way, 310 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: made some big, bold choices from the beginning, starting with 311 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: your representation. Yeah, so that was the first thing that, um, 312 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: the first kind of for a into looking at money 313 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: in a little different way. Um. Most players make their 314 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: salaries and it's a lot of money, and they're a 315 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: will to live comfortably and that's all their ambitions. Um, 316 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: you know they or they don't really have any business 317 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: ambitions that they don't realize that, you know, they're not 318 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: really getting the service for the amount of money that 319 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: they're paying the agent a typical feed maybe four percent 320 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: or five percent. The problem is, and the way traditional 321 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: agencies to set it up, you have guys that are 322 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: in the big league that make arbitration or free agency 323 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: that are paying the four or five and then you 324 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: support a large group of in your leaguers or people 325 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: who aren't paying anything to the agent, that may be 326 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: young big leaguers by charging the top guys. More so, 327 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: it's kind of in a way, it's like a socialistic 328 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: set up. The way the way Luba Sports works is 329 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 1: you paid for, you know, the work that is done 330 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: for you. You pay on an hourly basis. So if 331 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 1: you just want your contract negotiators and no other help, 332 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,479 Speaker 1: which is really what most players want, you know, they 333 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: want someone to negotiate their contracts for them and then 334 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: they just want to go play baseball and spend time 335 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,679 Speaker 1: with their family or whatever their hobbies are. And so 336 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 1: that doesn't they don't require a lot of time or 337 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: or work outside of the contract negotiation, well, they won't 338 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: pay for all the all that the difference I guess 339 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: between the hourly rate and the the flat percentage um 340 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: or if you do want the work done for you, 341 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: then you're paying for it, which allows Luba Sports to 342 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 1: give you the service that you really for. And that 343 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 1: could be marketing, it could be stats, it could be 344 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: player development, it could be business development. Anything. So it 345 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: just seemed to make more sense to pay for the 346 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: services that I wanted that are it's customizable to me specifically, 347 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 1: so it's not putting me in a in a box 348 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: with every other player and kind of treating treating everybody 349 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 1: the same, I feel like at the same and age 350 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: baseball is so customizable on the field, with scouting reports 351 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: and player development plans for each individual player. That representation 352 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: should be the same way. I always believe that Major 353 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: League Baseball will always be around because it will rebound 354 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: from this moment that we have never experienced before in sports. 355 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 1: I worry about the minor league teams because it's a 356 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: lot of fun when you go to a minor league 357 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 1: baseball game and you see the different experience in that. 358 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 1: But with the COVID nineteen pandemic, it has taken a 359 00:18:55,320 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: huge hit. How do you see that rebounding, sir, I'm 360 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: worried about it. I don't know if it's going to rebound. Um, 361 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 1: some of the teams will rebound because it's it's so 362 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 1: important to the fabric of Big League Baseball and MLB. 363 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: The problem is, I think MLB was already looking to 364 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 1: cut a large number of minor league teams um and 365 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: I kind of I mean, not like to span the franchise, 366 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: but just not being unofficial m ILB team anymore. That 367 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: could be an indie ball team that could you know, 368 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: join another league or something like that. But I think 369 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 1: that with the with the pandemic and having cut all 370 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: minor league baseball, this year. It just opens the door 371 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: to cut the rest of what they were looking to 372 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: cut already out in the future. And the problem is that, 373 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: you know, the union, the Players Association doesn't technically represent 374 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 1: minor league players, so it's hard to argue on behalf 375 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: of them that there really isn't a strong, um, I 376 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: guess support system or support organization for minor league baseball. 377 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: It argue against MLB and trying to fight that. So, UM, yeah, 378 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not I'm not. I'm not too 379 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,360 Speaker 1: positive about my leagues remaining the same the same way 380 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: that they were and that all the teams will recover. 381 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: I think there'll be less teams moving into the future. Trevor, 382 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: one of your businesses that you've launched is a momentum, 383 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: and um, it's good aim to change the way baseball 384 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: is marketed to younger fans. And we're all, as baseball 385 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: fans that have all played at ourselves concerned about losing 386 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: young fans. Uh, if you go to any most cities 387 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: and towns now kids are playing lacrosse instead of baseball 388 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: in the spring. How are we going to get the 389 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: young fans back to baseball. Well, that starts with the 390 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: players and the personalities and creating a connection between those 391 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: young kids and the players in some way. That's really 392 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 1: what we're going Him exists to do, is to connect 393 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: fans and players on human level. Um. You know, as 394 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: a kid growing up, I looked out on the field 395 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: and I saw uh people that were superstars. They were 396 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: larger than life, and there really was no way for 397 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 1: me to connect with them on that human level. I 398 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: didn't feel like I was the same as them. I 399 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: don't feel like I had the same interest as them 400 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: because I didn't know them at all. And then when 401 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 1: I was twelve, I had a chance to do a 402 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: throwing camp with Alan Jagger along Top Camp and at 403 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: that camp, Barry Zito was there. It was one of 404 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 1: Alan's clients, and he Buried was my favorite pitcher at 405 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: the time. And I got to meet Barry and talked 406 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: to him, and I realized that, like, oh, he isn't 407 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: this this alien, you know being He's a He's a human. 408 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: He's just really really good at baseball. And that gave 409 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: me all the inspiration I needed to try to become 410 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: really good at baseball and to keep playing and to 411 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: keep going and working and all that, and so without 412 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 1: that moment, who knows, you know, kind of where my 413 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: attention may have been been taken to once I got 414 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: into you know, my middle school, um at middle school, 415 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 1: high school, college, stuff like that, and I think those 416 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: moments are really missing so or for today's youth, they're missing. 417 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: So trying to find ways, like the NBA has done, 418 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: to create more identifying, more like pop culture um and 419 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 1: and highlight those personalities in the game that that are 420 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: into that stuff. To highlight the personalities that are into 421 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: you know, hunting or fishing or cooking or fashion or 422 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: video games or whatever it is, and get those stories 423 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 1: and those personalities out in front of the nationwide network 424 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: of baseball fans. One of the main issues if you 425 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: play in a small market, and basically the big markets 426 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 1: in baseball or Chicago, New York, Boston, l A. And 427 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 1: then you have Houston's the fairly big market, but I 428 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: mean either you're looking at maybe on the top end 429 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: one third of the teams. If you play in a 430 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 1: smaller market, it's hard for people in l A who 431 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,679 Speaker 1: might be really big video game fans to know that 432 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: Blake Snell is a huge gamer or Trevor May a 433 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: huge gamer. Because they play in Tampa and Minnesota, respectively, 434 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 1: so they may not get that access to that player 435 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 1: to even understand, oh, I'm like this person, I could 436 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: potentially be a bigger You're playing baseball. It's cool. So 437 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: that's that's one of the things that needs to change. 438 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: There's a lot more things that needs to change in baseball, 439 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 1: but that's really what we're trying to do at momentum 440 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 1: is connect players and fans on a human level, get 441 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: their stories out, get the personalities out there in front 442 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: of the fans, um and bring some life and energy 443 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: back into the sport. I gotta ask you, you know, 444 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: when you think about the economics of baseball, you know 445 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: the dollars and cents so incredibly Well, we talked a 446 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: little bit about the c B a earlier, we talked 447 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: a little bit about your business. What are the economics 448 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 1: of baseball going forward? Because I have to say, as 449 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: a longtime fan, I'm worried about the state of the 450 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:53,239 Speaker 1: game when it comes to it being a business. I 451 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 1: think they're in a good spot right now. Um, if 452 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 1: you look at the recent trend, you have seen nothing 453 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: but positivity because revenues have increased the past. However, many years, 454 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: five years, it's been a long time since baseball revenue 455 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 1: has actually fallen. Um. And that's just the revenue that 456 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: is reported, and it's not the revenue that's hidden or 457 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 1: you know whatever all that stuff is. There's plenty of 458 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,959 Speaker 1: that going on in the game too. But um, so 459 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,439 Speaker 1: you would say that it's in a good it's in 460 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: a good spot, it's not a good trend. The problem is, 461 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: um the demographic of baseball fans, the average baseball age 462 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: continues to run, the average age of a baseball fan 463 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: continues to rise. So if you're just looking at the 464 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: numbers right now, you would say, oh, we're in a 465 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: good spot. Keep doing what we're doing. And I think 466 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: that's kind of the strategy that's being employed by the league. 467 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,360 Speaker 1: The problem is, you know, in ten years or twenty years, 468 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 1: there's a huge quiff that we're running towards because when 469 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,400 Speaker 1: the baseball fans right now, who are fifty seven on average, 470 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: are sixty seven or seventy seven or eighty seven, like, 471 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: you're gonna at some point you're gonna lose your average fan, 472 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: the average you know, baseball fan, and then where you're 473 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: going to be. So if you're not connecting with young fans. 474 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: If you're not bringing in new baseball fans and making 475 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:18,439 Speaker 1: the game more modern, more interesting for um, for today's society, 476 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: today's the tension span, today's interests, then you know, you 477 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: just there's a huge cliff coming, and I liken it 478 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: to the Big Short a little bit. Those guys were 479 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: able to identify the cliff that was coming, even though 480 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 1: the numbers didn't necessarily reflect it, and they made it 481 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: bet h on that on their recognition of it and 482 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: ended up winning big when the country lost big. Um. 483 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: But that's kind of what I see going on in 484 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 1: baseball right now, and it's worrisome. So that's one of 485 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: the reasons I've started Momentum trying to help solve that problem. 486 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,919 Speaker 1: That kind of leads into the next question when you 487 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: talk about the older fans out there and the need 488 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 1: to generate younger fans. And there's the conversation going on 489 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 1: now about team names and nicknames, and specifically the Cleveland 490 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: Indians now they're thinking about changing their nickname because Native 491 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:17,679 Speaker 1: Americans have been upset about the name itself. I'd like 492 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 1: to ask your thoughts about changing nicknames and getting your ideas. Yeah, 493 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 1: with the Indians specifically, I spent a lot of years 494 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: in Cleveland and was with that fan base for a 495 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: long time. UM, and I never got the sense that 496 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: the nickname or the name itself Indians were and it 497 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: wasn't any way derogatory. I think it was meant to 498 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: the reflection of, uh, you know, honoring American in Native 499 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: American history and stuff like that. I certainly can see 500 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: how some people may not feel that way. So it's 501 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 1: a complicated issue. And if you talk to most Cleveland fans, 502 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: at least the ones that I've talked to, the majority 503 00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: of them enjoy the name Indians. They enjoy the logo, 504 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: the Chief law who, the um and the mascots and 505 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: all that UM. But that certainly are people that that 506 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: don't feel that way, And especially in today's culture, where 507 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: you know, social media has really given people the opportunity 508 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 1: to amplify their voice, so small groups can seem very 509 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: loud and get a lot done, which is a good 510 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: thing in some ways and a bad thing in others. UM. Certainly, 511 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: as an athlete, when people want to troll you and 512 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 1: they amplify their voice on you, it's not it's not 513 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: nearly as fun. But I don't have a strong opinion 514 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: really on whether it should remain or whether it should, uh, 515 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: you know, be changed. I think it needs to be 516 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: a discussion that's had in an official setting, not on 517 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: social media. I think a lot of people need to 518 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 1: be consulted. But um, at the end of the day, 519 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: my my main focus, in my main um mission in 520 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: baseball is too to make it more popular as a 521 00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: game and make the players more popular with the fans. UM. 522 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 1: And I don't think the name of the team really 523 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: changes that one way or the other. Trevor, let me 524 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: ask you what's going on in today's workouts as you 525 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 1: are with the Cincinnati Reds. How safe do you feel? 526 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: A and B give us the routine for how often 527 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: you are tested. I read that you're gonna be tested 528 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: every other day than I read that, No, it was 529 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: only going to be just between July three and July five. 530 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: And there's this organization out in Utah that's conducting all 531 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: the tests that a lot of people are unhappy about. Yeah, 532 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: it's um. I'm gonna start by saying that it's an 533 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: incredibly large undertaking for MLB and for the team's I mean, 534 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: it seems fairly easy when you strip it down to 535 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: test you know, the twenty five or the thirty or 536 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: the sixty players that are in talent. Wow, how hard that? 537 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,719 Speaker 1: How how hard can that be? But you have all 538 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: the staff, you have all the different regulations like that 539 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: are that are going on to try to protect the players. UM. 540 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: But at the club house attendance, the chefs, the the 541 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: training stats, drinking condition coaches, all the front office, like 542 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of people in security, guards that 543 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: have to follow a lot of regulations. So and then 544 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 1: you you multiply that across thirty teams. It's a it's 545 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: a large undertaking. So to have a couple of hiccups 546 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: in the beginning I think would be to be expected. 547 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: As far as the daily routine goes, I've been tested 548 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: every other day so far. We wake up in the 549 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: morning and we have a survey to fill out. That's 550 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: really how it starts. The answer twenty year questions. I 551 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: don't know exactly how many are on there about our 552 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: symptoms and who we've been exposed to and stuff like that. 553 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: We take our temperature in the morning, and then when 554 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: we go to the field before we check in, UM, 555 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: they take our temperature again. Have us answer the questions again, 556 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 1: and then every other day we do a spit test, 557 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: which I don't know if people understand what the spit 558 00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: test is, but briefly, you hung a little vial and 559 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: like spatune on top a little funnel. You have to 560 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: spit into it until the fly the above a certain line. 561 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: And then a lot of times, uh, there's will be 562 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: bubbles within the sliva and so you can't use those. 563 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 1: You have to like take the top spa tune off 564 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: and wipe the bubbles away, and then they'll spit all 565 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: over the tube. And then it's kind of a messy process. Uh. 566 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: But that's that's it happening every other day. As far 567 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: as the results getting back, I think that's where the 568 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: issues have come in with the facility in Utah not 569 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: being able to handle the volume. Um. I haven't heard 570 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: too much about that, so I'm not super comfortable speaking 571 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: on why that may or may not be happening. I've 572 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: just heard, you know, a couple of people mention it 573 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: in passing. But then after we do our spit tests, 574 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: if we haven't spit tests that day, we go into 575 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: the clubhouse. We're all wearing masks in the clubhouse. Um, 576 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: Traditionally you would go into the food room, there'd be 577 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: a spread of food out for you. Now we were 578 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: we can't interact with with the chefs and uh and 579 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: you know, basically uncovered food. So uh, we order meals 580 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: on an app in the morning and then times to 581 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: pick them up, so our lunch will be in a 582 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: prepackaged container for us, and we'll go and sit socially 583 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: distanced and and eat, which kind of disrupts the flow 584 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: of Like normally you'd have three or four guys sitting 585 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: to the table shooting the breeze. But you know, it's 586 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: a little bit more difficult now. Um, you know, masks 587 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: are all around the facilities. Jared sitting in the hot tubs, 588 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 1: you have to have two masks on. Um. And then 589 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: you know, when you go out in the field, Uh, 590 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: some guys are wearing masks, some guys aren't. And that's 591 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: where it really feels more like baseball. You're just getting 592 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: your traditional workouts in and throwing lives down and practices 593 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 1: and having scrimmages and trying to get ready for a 594 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: season in half the time that we normally would take 595 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: to get ready for the season. But it's quite different. 596 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: It's quite different. It doesn't feel the same indoors at 597 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: all in preparation. Uh, the only time it really feels 598 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: like baseball is on the field. Yeah, So, Trevor, I 599 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: want to wrap up by asking you just a little 600 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 1: bit more about your life as a business man, because 601 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: you know, we spend a lot of time on this show, 602 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: you know, talking with athletes and those who work with 603 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: them about their ambitions off the field, off the court, 604 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: out of the arena, whatever it is. You seem more 605 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: ambitious than most. And if I may say, and and 606 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: but it does feel like you're taking sort of a 607 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: page in the playbook from a lot of NBA players 608 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: and others. And you mentioned that earlier when you talked 609 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: about engagement via technology and whatnot. Why do you think 610 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: that is? Is this just sort of who you've always been. 611 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: You've always sort of had that entrepreneurial drive. You've always 612 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: been able to sort of go against the grain and 613 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: making choices, especially when it comes to business, Like, what 614 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: what is it sort of about you that sort of 615 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: makes you that way? Not to put you on the 616 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: couch too much, unlessually sitting on my couch right now. Um, 617 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: so I think it's it's. It started when I was 618 00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 1: young with my dad, and he said he always at 619 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: me to plan for the future, to have long term goals, 620 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: and to work towards short to work towards those. So 621 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: in baseball, because like, well, you may not be the 622 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,479 Speaker 1: best right now, but can you be better tomorrow? Can 623 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: you be better earn here? You know? Can you want 624 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: to be the best when you're in high school? Because 625 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: I was always my goal, Excuse me, My goal was 626 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: always to play in high school. And so my entire 627 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: childhood I worked towards that. And so my dad was 628 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: an engineer, and he taught me the process of working 629 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: towards something which is no where you are today, know 630 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: where you want to go, designer process to get there, 631 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: in a way of evaluating the process so you can 632 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: highgrate it. And in doing that, it taught me to 633 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 1: look and find all the areas that were inefficient in 634 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: what I was doing. Uh, inefficient in my skill set, 635 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: in efficient in my process, in efficient in my evaluation process, 636 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: stuff like that. And so after twenty years of being 637 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 1: you know, living that process, I started applying it to 638 00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: other things. I just I had trained myself at that 639 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: point to see inefficiencies in a marketplace, to see inefficiencies 640 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: in an organization, UM, and myself as a baseball player, 641 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: in relationships stuff like that. So it's a little bit 642 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:12,439 Speaker 1: of a blessing and a little bit of a curse 643 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 1: at this point because my mind is just drawn naturally 644 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 1: to the inefficiencies that I see. UM. I have a 645 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: hard time celebrating winds or celebrating successes because they're never perfect, 646 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: and I just I see the imperfections. I end up 647 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: celebrating my victories and my and my wins and my accomplishments, 648 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: usually a couple of years in retrospect looking back and saying, man, 649 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 1: that was really cool, I actually did that. Um. But 650 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 1: that that kind of applies to baseball as an industry 651 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 1: and I see the inefficiencies in it. I care about it. 652 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: I want to see it a certain way and see 653 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 1: it flourishing, and all I seem to see your inefficiencies. 654 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: So I've tried to plug some of those and to 655 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 1: fix them. UM. You know, one of those is is 656 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 1: with luas Sports. I think that's gonna be a huge 657 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 1: thing for for the industry and for players. UH. Having 658 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 1: a different option. I think competition in the marketplace is 659 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: great for everybody involved. I think it draws the best 660 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 1: out of everybody and it gets rid of complacency. So 661 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,919 Speaker 1: I'm really excited for the future of of what Luba 662 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 1: Sports can can offer for the industry. And then with momentum, 663 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,720 Speaker 1: you know, there's the there's the fan engagement in the connection, 664 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 1: the problem the attracting young fans, and and for players, 665 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 1: you know, being in small markets and not being able 666 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,359 Speaker 1: to get their voice out there in an easy way, 667 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: not having content to grow their socials and UH and 668 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 1: their influence during their time in the league. And then 669 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 1: on top of that, once you once you do that, 670 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,359 Speaker 1: well you know how how do you capitalize on UH, 671 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,800 Speaker 1: on growing your your voice and having a larger platform 672 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 1: as an individual players? So I have I have my 673 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,360 Speaker 1: eyes set on helping solve that problem. And then on 674 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: the other side of it, like players are getting taken 675 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,919 Speaker 1: advantage of and in some ways with with their data, 676 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,879 Speaker 1: you know that they have three options right now, don't 677 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: don't use data, UH use data, and don't have anybody 678 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: looking at it to try to give you insight other 679 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,359 Speaker 1: than the team. If you don't go through the team, 680 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 1: then no one's really looking at it. For you, or 681 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,399 Speaker 1: if you do go through the team, then the team 682 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 1: has access to all your data, sleep tracking data, health 683 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: tracking data, swing data, pitching data, all this stuff, and 684 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,239 Speaker 1: then the belief is that they may use that against you. 685 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 1: I mean the most notable version of that is teams 686 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 1: are able to identify, uh, you know, who's gonna perform well, 687 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 1: who's projected to perform well based on their age, and 688 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,279 Speaker 1: they talk about the aging curves. And now you're seeing 689 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: players that get to normally when they would sign large 690 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 1: reage and contracts that aren't getting off of those contracts, 691 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: but they have no way of arguing against it. So 692 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: that's another inefficiency. I seven, I'm currently building something for 693 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 1: excited to kind of get that out over the next 694 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 1: year and um and launch all of this. But I've 695 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 1: seen in efficiencies and that's, uh, that's kind of why 696 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,839 Speaker 1: I am the way I am in training. That's why 697 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 1: I trained the way I do. That's why I measure 698 00:36:55,520 --> 00:37:00,319 Speaker 1: so much data myself, and that's you know, I like 699 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 1: doing something to help people and to fix the inefficiencies 700 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: that I see, and drives me nuts when I see 701 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 1: something so clearly and I tell everybody and no one 702 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: nothing happens, no one does anything about it, and I 703 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 1: just get frustrated at some point, like, fine, I'll do 704 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:18,320 Speaker 1: something about it. I'm in business, I'm in in baseball, 705 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 1: and then you know, mentorship and all that stuff. So 706 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 1: I'm overloaded. But you know, I'm enjoying every second of it. 707 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,239 Speaker 1: It sounds like that is your natural state. Well, Trevor Barr, 708 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 1: best of luck to you. Thank you so much. We 709 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,360 Speaker 1: know it is, as you said at the top, of 710 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 1: hectic time, but hectic in a good way, we hope, 711 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,799 Speaker 1: because we're going to see some baseball, even even as 712 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 1: tortures as was to get here. I think we're all 713 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,959 Speaker 1: happy to see that happening. Cincinnati Reads pitcher Trevor Bauer 714 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 1: joining us. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me, 715 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,319 Speaker 1: young guys, so Trevor Bauer, guys, uh, young man in 716 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,799 Speaker 1: a hurry. I think it's fair to say Michael Barr, Yes, 717 00:37:56,120 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 1: I am impressed by him with his hills with business. 718 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 1: And what scares me is what he said about minor 719 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 1: league baseball. Uh. And he said the future does not 720 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,239 Speaker 1: look great for a number of teams. And that's too 721 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 1: bad because I really like minor league games and the 722 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 1: experience of being there. You see all those goofy little 723 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 1: promotions that that really draw the crowd in and people 724 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 1: have fun doing it, and now it's totally in danger 725 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 1: of not coming back for some teams. Lynchi, what did 726 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 1: you think. I mean, you're a longtime baseball fan. You've 727 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 1: seen this game grow up. I mean what he said 728 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 1: about sort of the big short uh analogy? Wow? Yeah, absolutely, 729 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,439 Speaker 1: and I and I thought that it was fascinating how 730 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,240 Speaker 1: he felt a disconnect with baseball when he was growing 731 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,320 Speaker 1: up until he went to this camp and played catch 732 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 1: with Barry Zero, and then he was hooked. And so 733 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 1: this is what I want to be. These these are 734 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,880 Speaker 1: real people that I can see and touch and interact with. 735 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,759 Speaker 1: And he feels that the game needs to create more 736 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 1: connections between the players and the young fans. And we've 737 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 1: had this discussion before about how many kids are playing 738 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,359 Speaker 1: lacrosse instead of baseball, and he wants to throw this 739 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,320 Speaker 1: momentum the TV project that he's on. He wants to 740 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: highlight some of the personalities and show that they're more 741 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 1: than baseball. That they have They can cook, they can hunt, 742 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,480 Speaker 1: they can fish, they read, they write, they play an instrument, 743 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 1: and he needs to get those stories out in front 744 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 1: of people, to to hook and connect with some of 745 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 1: the young fans that would that. That impressed me the 746 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:35,400 Speaker 1: most from a conversation Monros because kids feels better to 747 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,440 Speaker 1: be number one than number five. I'll wear a number 748 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,000 Speaker 1: because of Mike. We have a chance to go for 749 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,759 Speaker 1: three in a row. Good numbers are a good time. 750 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,880 Speaker 1: When I first started wearing the number, I would just 751 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 1: have the Bloomberg business of sports, the number of the week. 752 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 1: That's right, I'm back and it's time for the number 753 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 1: of the week. We were not we were not able 754 00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 1: to stand this up in your absence, Michael Barr, Lynchie 755 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,320 Speaker 1: and I would just like we would wed for actually 756 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,439 Speaker 1: just stare at each other and be like, we can't 757 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 1: do this without far alright, so hit us. What is 758 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,760 Speaker 1: it all right? We're gonna play the prices right range game. 759 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:14,480 Speaker 1: This is according to what Pelican basses. What would a 760 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 1: share of the Atlanta Braves be worth? A share like 761 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:25,719 Speaker 1: a single share, a single share. Dum dum dum dum 762 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:31,000 Speaker 1: dum dum dum dumdum. This is my this is my team. 763 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 1: Um come up with this one. Pressure on you. Jason's Yeah, 764 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:36,520 Speaker 1: there's a lot of pressure on me. I have I 765 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,919 Speaker 1: have no I really have no idea. I mean, it's 766 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:43,759 Speaker 1: probably one of the more valuable. It's a top tier franchise. 767 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,920 Speaker 1: So I don't know, maybe you buy you could, you 768 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 1: could buy a share if they're splitting I don't know 769 00:40:52,080 --> 00:41:01,960 Speaker 1: how many they're splitting it by. Uh, you're way off 770 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:09,440 Speaker 1: the board on that one. Man. It's like, Okay, I'm 771 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,880 Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna go with Hammer and Hank. Aaron's number 772 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 1: forty four, I'm gonna go. Actually, you're you're you're very 773 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:24,000 Speaker 1: close between thirty and forty dollars. Wow, Okay, So Lynchi 774 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,720 Speaker 1: wins clearly, and obviously this is why the Red Sox 775 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,000 Speaker 1: are a much better team than the Atlanta Braves because 776 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,439 Speaker 1: their fans are a lot smarter. Yeah, you bet ten 777 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,400 Speaker 1: thousand dollars on that wafflemaker. Man, that's not gonna happen. 778 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 1: So you can get a share of the Braves for 779 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,919 Speaker 1: that much or for that little between thirty and forty 780 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 1: So how does this work? This is this is interesting. 781 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:51,759 Speaker 1: It's like, I guess because of COVID nineteen that they're 782 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,959 Speaker 1: kind of on the watch list of companies that were 783 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,680 Speaker 1: most impacted by the short term, and they're trying to 784 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,680 Speaker 1: season the opportunity to shares of the team. All right, well, 785 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,000 Speaker 1: I was I'm clearly a sucker. I was willing to 786 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:06,760 Speaker 1: pay a lot more for a share of the Braves 787 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,560 Speaker 1: if I had that sort of money. I wasn't. We 788 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,960 Speaker 1: got a bridge up here in Boston. Seriously, Yeah, this 789 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:16,880 Speaker 1: was This was the point, Lynchie where you should say, no, 790 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:21,279 Speaker 1: that's how much you share. The socks cost much much 791 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:27,759 Speaker 1: lower because we win championships. All right, that's a good one. 792 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,040 Speaker 1: That's a good one, even though it was completely stumped. 793 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,000 Speaker 1: I'm happy that I'm happy that it's much more affordable. 794 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 1: You've been listening to Bloomberg Business of Sports. We're here 795 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,680 Speaker 1: each and every week at the same time, plus online 796 00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,880 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcast. 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