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Speaker 2: You already know it, You've already been listening. Now let's

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Speaker 2: just get right into it. I've got Israel and Cameron

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Speaker 2: with Pop Culture Field Manual podcast. Now, Israel is former

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Speaker 2: Green Beret or maybe active, he'll answer that, and then

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Speaker 2: Cameron is a former United States Army Ranger. Welcome to

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Speaker 2: the show, gentlemen.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having us. Man, We appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Rad.

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Speaker 4: We are pumped to be here, my dude, and it

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Speaker 4: is gonna be a good one.

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Speaker 2: Yes it is. We were just sitting here chatting pre

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Speaker 2: show and I was like, yeah, all sorts of cool

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Speaker 2: things in the background. You've got like this shield back

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Speaker 2: here with the latinin bowl. Is that? What is that?

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Speaker 2: Tell me what that is?

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Speaker 4: I wish I was made by like a veteran company,

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Speaker 4: but not so legit China, dude, but this is actually

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Speaker 4: the designated you to insignia of the seventy fifth range

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Speaker 4: of regimen. So I got that all done up, and

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Speaker 4: I got yeah, me and Israel we're on YouTube together

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Speaker 4: for a channel called shift Fire.

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Speaker 5: And then we got my.

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Speaker 4: Tam beret, got my cibeb just all my all my

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Speaker 4: I mean I bought them all off eBay anyways, So

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Speaker 4: I'm just trying to be as authentic as possible.

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Speaker 2: You know, what do you think about that you can

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Speaker 4: It's ridiculous the amount of access we have to Like,

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of rangers, right, is that right? Not

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Speaker 5: So we are a tiny, little, tiny little club man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So Israel, did you go through ranger school to

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Speaker 3: I had an interesting entry because I joined in two

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Speaker 2: That, and used what a footstep after footstep after footstep

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Speaker 2: through anything, You just you made it through. God chose you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my biggest challenge when it came to the military

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Speaker 2: You know, now, Cameron, when you went through RIP, what

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Speaker 2: So you would recommend this somebody who's thinking about going in.

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Speaker 3: On your pace count yeah, past read a map, learn

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Speaker 2: Signingesdge his saddle exactly, all right, man, Yeah there you

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Speaker 3: And finding the super Walmart, finding that big terrain feature

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Speaker 5: Land navigation was my favorite thing to do.

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Speaker 2: To see. So you may know I do huge war

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Speaker 2: And then at the end, everybody's like, what's up? That was?

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Speaker 4: Yeah it is, No, I actually, uh no, I'm very

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Speaker 2: Right, that's the ops score, bro, that's why you knew.

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Speaker 2: You don't want like you know, uh, you know punction. Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 2: a pop culture field manual exactly exactly.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, we it's go for it is yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, man, it's a it's been great. Cameron

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Speaker 3: We've been doing it for what about three years? We're

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Speaker 4: Yeah, two and a half, three years long and fun

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm pretty sure I've seen you react to

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Speaker 5: And is he do them together?

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Speaker 4: And they're they've been out there for a long time

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Really no, Yeah, I'm just like, Okay, what are

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, man, No, I think airsoft MILLSIM any kind

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Speaker 2: Does that happen in real life? Does he really use

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Speaker 2: Is that Semtex? What do you guys really use semtexs? Right?

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Speaker 2: It's like holy cow, someone can actually approach you and

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's too many subscriptions anyways. But the threads,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's two separate entities.

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Speaker 2: There are two separate entities.

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Speaker 3: There you go, I'm gonna go start my account right now.

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Speaker 2: Well, what's crazy is there's a lot of people out

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Speaker 4: something called MySpace is out there, tom. Yeah, he was

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Speaker 2: He made his money too, Yeah, Dane Cook made his

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's everything himself.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but here you are.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly just risk versus reward.

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Speaker 3: The hardest thing I ever had was twisted lines. You know,

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Speaker 4: know they One of them was I realized that, you know,

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00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:34,200
Speaker 4: when you do something terrible, you learn lessons from everything, right,

436
00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,360
Speaker 4: So like after it was a H forty seven jump,

437
00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:44,080
Speaker 4: which is for the the chinooks, for the two rods exactly. Yea,

438
00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,359
Speaker 4: we call it the war Chariot, my favorite aircraft of

439
00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,119
Speaker 4: all time. Yeah, we had one of those jumps. And

440
00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,520
Speaker 4: those jumps are the best jumps because you just ramp

441
00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,879
Speaker 4: blast right off the back and it's you know, you

442
00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,399
Speaker 4: don't get blasted by wind when you're jumping out of

443
00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,359
Speaker 4: you know, one seventeen.

444
00:19:57,960 --> 00:19:59,320
Speaker 5: Off the side, it's just off the back and you

445
00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:00,240
Speaker 5: just free falled down.

446
00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,439
Speaker 4: It was that but for some reason it was supposed

447
00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:04,919
Speaker 4: to be the best jump ever and it was my

448
00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:08,440
Speaker 4: first time doing it. But when I jumped out, it

449
00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:12,520
Speaker 4: was just super rough environment, like there's a lot of wind,

450
00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,320
Speaker 4: and I just started oscillating super hard and oscillatings where

451
00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,560
Speaker 4: you know, the parachute static but you're just going left

452
00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,399
Speaker 4: and right and left like a pendulum on the end

453
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,960
Speaker 4: of the string. And you know, right as I was

454
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,679
Speaker 4: about to hit the ground, I'm like at the peak,

455
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,440
Speaker 4: at the highest point of my oscillation, So as I'm

456
00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,440
Speaker 4: coming down, that's when I land. So the force of

457
00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,240
Speaker 4: me hitting the ground and coming down on the oscillation

458
00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:37,920
Speaker 4: just like knocked the wind out of me. And then

459
00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:42,520
Speaker 4: my basically riser lines got wrapped around my cam hook

460
00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:46,520
Speaker 4: release assemblies, which is essentially how you would disattach your parachute,

461
00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:48,920
Speaker 4: and they wrapped around so I couldn't even open them.

462
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:50,120
Speaker 5: And then since it was.

463
00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,800
Speaker 4: A windy day, my parachute opened up again on the

464
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,040
Speaker 4: ground and just started dragging me maybe one hundred two

465
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,760
Speaker 4: hundred meters, and dudes had to come over and straight

466
00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:03,760
Speaker 4: up like attack the parachute. And one guy get out

467
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:05,480
Speaker 4: to me, yeah, because I was getting drugged, and you

468
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,200
Speaker 4: get drug fast, because these parachutes when day lift, once

469
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,200
Speaker 4: they inflate again on the ground, you're like, you know,

470
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:10,960
Speaker 4: drag racing.

471
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:11,680
Speaker 5: Literally.

472
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

473
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,119
Speaker 5: This guy came over and he's like, hey, dude, are

474
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:14,679
Speaker 5: you okay?

475
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,919
Speaker 4: You like I thought you died because you hit the

476
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,040
Speaker 4: ground so hard and I'm just sitting there like coughing,

477
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 4: and I'm like, yeah, I'm fine. But after that I

478
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,399
Speaker 4: was like, I need to carry a knife on me

479
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,879
Speaker 4: because if that shit, I had nothing to cut away

480
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,399
Speaker 4: the risers off my camera lease assemblies. So that was

481
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,119
Speaker 4: bad jump number one. Bad jump number two was it

482
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,120
Speaker 4: was my first seventeen jump and I didn't realize that

483
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 4: the plane is a lot bigger, so the platform kind

484
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,959
Speaker 4: of when you open the doors, a platform for your

485
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 4: feet actually come out and go past the door. So

486
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 4: I didn't realize that that happened because I've been jumping

487
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,160
Speaker 4: C one thirties my entire career so far, and as

488
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,320
Speaker 4: I jumped out, I didn't account for the distance of

489
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:54,200
Speaker 4: the platform. So I literally jumped onto the platform, onto

490
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 4: the platform, and my forward momentum, like my heels hit

491
00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,040
Speaker 4: the edge and caused me to start front flipping. So

492
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 4: basically I started front flipping through my risers like two

493
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,680
Speaker 4: or three times, and then I thought I was gonna

494
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 4: totally die because you know, you don't want your.

495
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 5: Feet to go through those things.

496
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,199
Speaker 4: And for some reason, I did perfect front flips just

497
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,200
Speaker 4: through my wrap and I had no twists. My parachute

498
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,679
Speaker 4: opened up perfectly, and I'm screaming the entire time. You're

499
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 4: supposed to do a six second count, so like one thousand,

500
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 4: two thousand, three thousand, but my six second count was.

501
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 5: And it opened up, and I'm looking up and I'm

502
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 5: seeing everything.

503
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 4: You know, the riser is a parachute, fully expand I

504
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 4: got no twists, and I'm still looking up screaming, like realize,

505
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,400
Speaker 4: I'm okay. But as I look to my left, I'm

506
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,479
Speaker 4: literally approaching another jumper's vent and that's like yeah, and

507
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 4: that's another thing. So I finally pull a slip, and

508
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,120
Speaker 4: I'm like, we're yelling at each other, and like, as

509
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,960
Speaker 4: I'm feet away from this thing, a gust of wind

510
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 4: picks me up and takes me away. And this is

511
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,920
Speaker 4: all a combat jump too, So I have full equipment

512
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 4: on me, and as I'm coming to the ground, I

513
00:22:58,880 --> 00:22:59,959
Speaker 4: try to lower my equipment.

514
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,679
Speaker 5: It doesn't go je.

515
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 2: So you're trying to drop your ruckstack, right.

516
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm trying to drop my rucksack, and you have

517
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 4: this little poll tab between your legs, which basically all

518
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 4: your equipment is attached to this like like fifteen or

519
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 4: twenty foot cord and it sends the rucksack underneath you

520
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 4: so you don't land.

521
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 5: On top of it. But I'm pulling and it's not

522
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:18,159
Speaker 5: letting go.

523
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 4: So I'm like, I have to ride this thing in

524
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 4: and that's really dangerous because the ruckstack has a metal

525
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 4: frame and if something happens, you know, dudes have snapped

526
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 4: their femurs broken legs all the time.

527
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 5: By riding gear.

528
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,199
Speaker 2: In, you have to do a plf right, you have

529
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 2: to do more. In order to do that. You have

530
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 2: to have your knees together and then hit the ground

531
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:34,880
Speaker 2: and roll right.

532
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 5: But there's a giant rucksack between your legs. You can't

533
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 5: do that. So that's how you stamp legs.

534
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, somehow, like I'm like, here we go.

535
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 4: Here comes a career ending injury, and then all of

536
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 4: a sudden updraft from the ground right before I hit

537
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 4: the ground and I land soft. I literally just sat

538
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 4: on my rucksack and I was like, this was the

539
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,959
Speaker 4: worst jump ever.

540
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 2: That sounds gnarly. I saw my dad's friend jump halo

541
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 2: here at the Augden Airport when they're doing like a

542
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 2: green bereat training day. They're all doing static lines. But

543
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 2: then their buddy, Kim, small little dude, he jumped out

544
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 2: from higher up doing this halo and they're all watching, watching, watching,

545
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 2: We're staying by the picnic tables, and then all of

546
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 2: a sudden, they all just start running. They just know something, right, Yeah,

547
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,719
Speaker 2: So what happened was the wind had picked him up

548
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 2: about forty feet from the ground and just boom brought

549
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 2: him down. Yeah, yeah, just dropped him. So they were

550
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,360
Speaker 2: just running like right away. But I just like that's

551
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 2: dad and guys. So dudes being dudes, you know, going

552
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 2: through their qualification course. You know you sure you didn't

553
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 2: happen in training? You sure this didn't happen. Sure it's

554
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 2: not attributed to your injuries in the military. Are you

555
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 2: sure about that? Yeah? Dragon, you sure about that?

556
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 5: Are you sure about that?

557
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 3: Sure that?

558
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 2: Now let's start some controversy. What's the best the most

559
00:24:55,960 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 2: best regiment in the ranger regiment? Which one is the best?

560
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 2: The best?

561
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:00,719
Speaker 1: Uh?

562
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, the best, the best?

563
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 4: Oh, it's really hard to say the best. It's I

564
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 4: guess it depends on what you consider the best the best.

565
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 4: I think the best quality of life is the best,

566
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 4: which is two seven five for sure, which is my battalion.

567
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 4: I'm super biased, so that's why I say that. I

568
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 4: think if you want to get the most experience, go

569
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 4: to you another battalion because we are considered the red

570
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 4: headed stepchild of the Ranger Regiment because we always deploy

571
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 4: in the winter time. They always give all the good

572
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 4: deployments to three seven five and one seven five because

573
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 4: they're closer to the flagpole. But the quality of life

574
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 4: at two seven five is just amazing because you're in

575
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 4: Washington State. You're away from like all the big commanders,

576
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 4: and you know, you're just free to kind of do

577
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 4: your own thing under your own little two seven five

578
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 4: nest and you're surrounded by this beautiful Washington So that's

579
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 4: I think two seven five is the best.

580
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 2: But is that the orange diamond logo? Is that right

581
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 2: with the two in it?

582
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 5: That is correct?

583
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 4: So we were the we were the first battalion to

584
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 4: actually use those. And it was during World War two

585
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 4: when the was it two some five stormed Point do Hawk,

586
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 4: which was like one of the turning points of the war.

587
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 4: Like the the ships couldn't even land on Omaha Beach

588
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 4: if the Point Do Hawk artillery cannons weren't taken out.

589
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 4: So it was one of the most important feats that

590
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 4: allowed dd it actually you.

591
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 5: Know, actually happened.

592
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, So that they wore two diamonds on the back

593
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 4: of their helmets to different that differentiate them from other units.

594
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 4: And then they also had fifth Ranger Battalion, who's you know,

595
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 4: not active anymore, but they were storming the beaches as well,

596
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 4: so they had five diamonds on the back of their helmets.

597
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 4: But yeah, the two diamonds became extremely popular after point

598
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 4: you Hawk and yeah, I kind of every battalion got

599
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 4: their own diamond, but two some five No's were the ogs.

600
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 2: You know. I think Max Mullen a friend of mine.

601
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, mad Max Mullen.

602
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, hardcore air softer. I fought for them so

603
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 2: many times as my company commander as a lieutenant. He's like,

604
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 2: we're gonna go rat. I was like, well Max, that way,

605
00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 2: He's like, let's do it. He's like, follow rad, Yeah,

606
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 2: follow me, let's go boots on the ground, dude. That's

607
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 2: a marchery.

608
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 4: Funny fact about Max Mullin is I had a family

609
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 4: friend growing up that was actually friends with him, and

610
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 4: before I ever knew anything about Ranger Regiment, he was

611
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 4: kind of the first Ranger that I like knew about.

612
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 4: And then yeah, come to find out we were in

613
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 4: the same platoon when he I think he jumped into

614
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 4: Grenada or he jumped Yeah. So he was three Bravo

615
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,959
Speaker 4: in two five and I grew up in three Bravo,

616
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 4: So I was like, oh, dude, that's that's awesome.

617
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, he he has been on the show,

618
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 2: and you know, I have known him for many years.

619
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 2: I fought for him probably thirteen years now. I go

620
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 2: to the Lion Clause events.

621
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

622
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 2: The majority of the time we go storm the old

623
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: Air Force Base in California in Victorville. Yeahs over there.

624
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 2: So we fight there, and we've had like, you know,

625
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 2: Danny McKnight from you know, also Ranger Hall of Fame,

626
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 2: Blackhawk Down. He was Company eight commander, and then Matt

627
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 2: Max's Company B commander. So here we are hunting Danny McKnight.

628
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 2: You know, it's like, what's up, bro, let's go Yeah,

629
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 2: what about you? Is he what's your favorite? What unit

630
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 2: are you from? What group?

631
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 3: I mean from for first group also out of Fort Lewis, Washington. Actually,

632
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 3: so Cameron and I were on the same base, but

633
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 3: just at different times. I was there from around two

634
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 3: thousand and seven to two thousand and nine, and yeah,

635
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 3: he was there a little bit later, but It's true

636
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 3: Fort Lewis. I mean, Washington State is a beautiful state

637
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 3: and Fort Lewis is a really really nice post. I

638
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 3: guess they call it Joint Base Lewis McCord now because

639
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 3: they got.

640
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 5: Mccorse shared with the Air Force.

641
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean I love First Group.

642
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 2: I was.

643
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 3: I'm a big nerd, so I loved anime and Japanese

644
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 3: girls at the time, and so I'm like, well, I

645
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 3: want to go to First Group because I know we

646
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 3: have a battalion out in Okinawa, and had I stayed

647
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 3: in any any longer, that would have been my request

648
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 3: is to go out and spend some time in Okinawa

649
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 3: in that.

650
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 2: Theater, that operation yeah see yeah, that wash Philippines and

651
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 2: the whole Southeast Asia operations with nineteen So you were

652
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 2: looking for put me in Yeah, yeah, tentacles and some

653
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 2: uh some crazy uh yeah.

654
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 5: Get a soapy every Saturday.

655
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, bro, they got so much air Soft in Japan. Yes, yeah,

656
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 2: that the godfathers of that whole sport. Really yea Japan. Yeah,

657
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 2: they go.

658
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 3: Let they go, They go hard in Japan.

659
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 2: They hard. They go on dates. They'll go on one floor

660
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 2: to a date and then on the next floor up

661
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 2: in the same building as an airsoft arena that they

662
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 2: shoot at with their dates and stuff. It's like, you know,

663
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 2: I've got a kill house here in Utah where we

664
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 2: can all get together. But it's not quite like dinner

665
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 2: and a drink, you know what I mean. It's like

666
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 2: this is like you're sweating to the oldies in there

667
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 2: and hunting each other.

668
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 3: And yeah, that's a great experience, man.

669
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 2: It is. It is. It's a good, healthy experience, like

670
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 2: I said, And it's very pop culture. Now with that said,

671
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 2: and thanks for telling us a little bit about some

672
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 2: some traumatizing experience jumping out of airplanes.

673
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 5: Life is trauma.

674
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 2: What do you consider pop culture for your field manual?

675
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 2: Is he Let's start with you.

676
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, culture is the sum total of what,

677
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,239
Speaker 3: you know, what any society produces, and pop culture is

678
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 3: what's most in people's minds, right, what's the most popular.

679
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 3: And so with the podcast, we try to we try

680
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 3: to get a little bit of everything. We try to

681
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 3: get a little bit of each of the categories, whether

682
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 3: it's you know, gangster movies or sci fi films or

683
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 3: fantasy monster movies, all that kind of stuff. So, yeah,

684
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 3: pop culture is. Uh, it's very important. I think, you know,

685
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 3: I heard somebody say one time politics runs downstream of culture,

686
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 3: and so the what the culture produces, what is popular,

687
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 3: what is most on people's minds, is what's influencing people

688
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 3: in their mindsets, in their views, uh, you know, in

689
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 3: their principles and stuff. And so I've become more focused

690
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 3: on that and more interested in what culture is and

691
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 3: how to create it and what kind of stories to

692
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 3: tell as I've gotten older. I think we run on stories. Man.

693
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 3: I heard somebody say once that the most powerful person

694
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 3: in society is the storyteller, and so I'm very interested

695
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 3: in stories and the kinds of stories that we tell

696
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 3: because this is this it's how our culture identifies itself.

697
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 3: It's what we tell ourselves we are. And so all

698
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 3: the stuff that we talk about on the podcast, in

699
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 3: addition to all the things that you might do and

700
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 3: like Airsoft or Milsom, I think all that stuff's crucial.

701
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 3: It's so important because he can teach us, you know,

702
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 3: good principles and life lessons and all that kind of stuff.

703
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 3: So I'm happy. I'm feel very privileged if you will,

704
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 3: to be with Cameron, to have met Cameron, because we

705
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 3: have a good rapport and we're really good friends. And

706
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 3: I love doing the podcast so to be able to

707
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 3: have just like a little corner of the internet, to

708
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 3: kind of have my voice and say what I want

709
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 3: to say and rant and rave about what a horrible

710
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 3: movie the last Jedi is. Uh, you know, I feel

711
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 3: it feels good, man, it feels good.

712
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 2: Yeah? Is that the same? You got to say, what's

713
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 2: what about you? What about you? Camra? What do you saying?

714
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 4: I'll give you a less articulated and intelligent answer.

715
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: Because it was.

716
00:31:58,800 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 3: Coming through.

717
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 2: That's that come.

718
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, big words and well thought out goods everybody.

719
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 5: Well for me.

720
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 4: You know, like we said earlier in the show, you know,

721
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 4: there is something out there that whether you're different sides

722
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 4: of the political spectrum, or you have different beliefs, different religions,

723
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 4: moral values, there is something that you share with another person,

724
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 4: even on the other side, that can connect you. And

725
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 4: you know, when you're, like you said, when you're trying

726
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 4: to have a dialogue going back and forth, I think

727
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 4: the first thing in order to make that happen is

728
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,479
Speaker 4: to find common grounds, something that you know makes you

729
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 4: feel human to each other because a lot of times

730
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 4: you get so caught up and you know, thinking this

731
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 4: is the enemy or that someone that doesn't think the

732
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 4: same way as I. Uh, you know, they're wrong and

733
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 4: they're different. So one thing that I think almost everybody

734
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 4: has done or seen is cinema movies, you know, and

735
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 4: plus it's super easy when you know Izzy and I

736
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 4: we've both deployed, and we both know how important movies, films,

737
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 4: TV shows, are, video games even are to deployed soldiers,

738
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 4: because what else do you do when you're not working,

739
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 4: when you're not lifting, when you're not eating. The only

740
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 4: thing you do is sit and game and watch with

741
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 4: your brothers. So that was something you know that I

742
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 4: experienced as something he experienced, and then that we came

743
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 4: together and realized, oh my god, yeah, this is something

744
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 4: we've both done with something and experience we both shared.

745
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 4: So let's start a podcast and see if we can

746
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 4: have that same connection with the listener. And so far

747
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 4: it seemed to work.

748
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 2: So and Shift Fire is the original thing you guys

749
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 2: did together, right.

750
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 4: Shift Fire and the PCFM podcast were they birth kind

751
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 4: of in the same time area, Isy, which said.

752
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 3: The podcast came at first it was gameology specops React

753
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 3: shortly after that was the podcast not long after that

754
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 3: with Shift Fire exactly.

755
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Shift You know, the podcast has always been

756
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 4: a little bit more important to Izzy and I just

757
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 4: because it's been our own when we've worked on Shift Fire.

758
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 4: Even though you know, it was us in front of

759
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 4: the camera, it wasn't necessarily owned by us.

760
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 5: We partnered with.

761
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 4: The production company that you know owned the same channel

762
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 4: as Gameology. So even though it was an amazing relationship

763
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 4: and uh, and we learned a lot about how to

764
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 4: produce our own content, which obviously helps for our podcast

765
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 4: and any future endeavors we might have.

766
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, it didn't own us.

767
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 4: So you know, even though it was like our representation,

768
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 4: our face, we definitely put a lot of effort into it,

769
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 4: But I don't think we had like the emotional connection

770
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 4: that we do to this.

771
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 5: Podcast because this is like our baby. You know, we

772
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 5: built this, and you're.

773
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 2: In charge of this. This is you, uh, you know,

774
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 2: you get to say what goes between the two of

775
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 2: you one hundred percent. You know you're doing the programming.

776
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, big shout out to Chris too. He's our

777
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 3: unsung hero, magic voice Chris. He comes onto the podcast sometimes,

778
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,439
Speaker 3: but he's the one who produces it for the most part,

779
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 3: puts it up, gets it distributed, you know.

780
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, that's my Anton. What's up Anton? Yeah, bro,

781
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 2: I know you are. You're great, dude. It's true. It's true.

782
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 2: There's there's people behind the scenes that you know, may

783
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 2: seem like I'm just in my in this nice beautiful

784
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 2: set here.

785
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I love it. Yeah, it's greatboards again,

786
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 3: snowboards and you're the Green Beret. I love that man.

787
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Dad, Dad and mom and I got his

788
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 2: uh tie jump wings up there too, which is like

789
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 2: that little elephant on it. And then yeah, I jumped

790
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 2: out of jumped out of the hot air balloon.

791
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 3: Kidding. I always wanted to do that.

792
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 2: He told me that was the most surreal experience because

793
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 2: he said, son, I just hooked up and just stepped off,

794
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 2: and it was just silence. There was no nothing, It's

795
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 2: just and I was like, okay, Dad, can I go

796
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 2: in your rucksack? Yeah. He would take baseball's too, like

797
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 2: different wherever, and then he'd bring him back all signed

798
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 2: and dated like this is from the Florida Swamp jump.

799
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 2: We all got stuck in the mud, and it's like

800
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 2: I still have all those shocked looking baseball Yeah, because

801
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 2: I can't get in the rough sack. I like, can

802
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 2: I fit?

803
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 3: Oh?

804
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 5: You legit wanted to go. Yeah.

805
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 2: Could you imagine, you know, later in life, as he's

806
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 2: getting ready to pass smart. Yeah, you know, he's like,

807
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry I introduced you all this stuff at

808
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: a young age. I said, why, Dad, I love it.

809
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 2: He's like, that's why, dang it, dude. My dad was

810
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 2: very Mormon too, so I grew up very Mormon, very

811
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 2: Green Beret, not repping green Beret. He didn't really walk

812
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 2: around saying he was that. He was dad professional. I'm

813
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 2: way more boastrous about it than my father ever was,

814
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 2: you know, so it's like and more proud of it affirmative.

815
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 3: That's interesting that like neither Cameron nor myself can we

816
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 3: you correct me if I'm wrong, But neither of us

817
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 3: came from like a really military heavy family like I.

818
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 3: I had some cousins that had maybe done one or

819
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 3: two years in the Army Marines, but I was the

820
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 3: only one in my immediate family that that went in

821
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 3: And it was kind of a kind of a whim

822
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 3: for me.

823
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 2: You know, are both your parents together still? Were they

824
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 2: at the time?

825
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 3: No, No. My parents divorced when I was like very young,

826
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 3: like five or six years old. So that's the kind

827
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 3: of tumultuous background that I came from.

828
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 2: And I noticed that, you know, what about you? You

829
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 2: mind if I asked, Cameron, did you share your past

830
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 2: together at the same time when you enlisted? Was it

831
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:21,959
Speaker 2: a tough upbringing for you? Yeah?

832
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 4: No, I you know, obviously everybody has their challenges growing up.

833
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 4: I considered I considered my childhood you know, fairly fairly normal,

834
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 4: you know, but I never had aspirations to like go

835
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 4: to school or anything like it. Ever since I was

836
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 4: like eleven or twelve years old, the military has been

837
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 4: my path. And then basically, you know, my parents were

838
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 4: not together. They got divorced when I was in middle school.

839
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 4: But ever since that, that's kind of like when I

840
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 4: wanted to join the military, I don't know what really

841
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 4: ingrained that. I just had this amazing fascination and appreciation

842
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 4: for service members, But you know, I had no aspirations

843
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 4: to go special operations. I didn't even know that was

844
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 4: the thing you could do after basic training. I thought

845
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 4: that was like you do your time, you know, you

846
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 4: do your time, and.

847
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 5: Then you get seasoned.

848
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 4: And experience and then you go, I had no idea

849
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 4: you can get a ranger contracts. So when they offered

850
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 4: it to me, I was like, what in the hell

851
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 4: is going on? And I was like, oh, okay, you.

852
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 2: See see something that I noticed, and I'm just going

853
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 2: to pull up my dad's creds as well. Yes, adopted,

854
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 2: you know, yea twelve adopted a twelve. So living wow

855
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 2: in back in the day in Wisconsin, Bartibar or wherever

856
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 2: passed around.

857
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 5: That's like you have experience and memories and the thought.

858
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 2: Processes percent and so these young kids go through these

859
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 2: traumatic experiences to grow up very quickly. Okay, And that

860
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 2: is kind of like now, all of a sudden, drill

861
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 2: Sergeant is more father than father ever could be, because

862
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 2: you know they're actually paying attention to you. Why did

863
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 2: you shove your boots so well? Did I did I

864
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 2: do it? Well? I'm gonna do it better for you.

865
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 6: Now you think I did that well, You're like, yes, valid, yes, yes,

866
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 6: tell me I'm good.

867
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 2: So a lot of the folks that come on who

868
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 2: have gone through a lot of the riggers in the

869
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 2: and the situations you guys have, have come from a

870
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 2: challenging background, And I only pull that out because my

871
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 2: listener out there might be coming from a struggling background

872
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 2: as well.

873
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 4: You know, I think the you know, the military is

874
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 4: an amazing opportunity, right because it's not.

875
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 5: I'm not going to say it's not. It's not.

876
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 4: It's absolutely not an equal employer, like an equal quality.

877
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 2: Everybody in the military is a good person. Yeah, no, no, yeah, you.

878
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 4: Know, I'm saying like, and not everyone can join the military,

879
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 4: but I wish they could because the structure and the

880
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 4: discipline and the lessons that I learned in the military

881
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 4: made me the man I am today, right, and then

882
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 4: also the benefits that come with it from the service

883
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 4: that you've given to your nation. Obviously it's not always

884
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 4: been like that, but I think we finally got it

885
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 4: right to an extent, of course.

886
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 5: But uh, yeah, I looking at the.

887
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 4: Person I was before the military and the person I

888
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 4: am after night and day. I wouldn't even recognize myself

889
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 4: on the street, and if I did, I'd probably kick

890
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 4: my ass because I was a little shit.

891
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 2: But uh, sounds like David as is coming out of you. Yeah,

892
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: listen to me.

893
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 6: Get off the counts, Brodie, really running right now on

894
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 6: your podcast.

895
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, running, Yeah, get up, going to him.

896
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 2: I've been boxing every day straight, you know, trying to

897
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 2: show up and be in the gym, and so every

898
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 2: morning it's like, you know, without without fail. And I'm

899
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 2: looking at my coaches today and They're like, you're here

900
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 2: more than we are, and I'm like, I'm not trying

901
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 2: to play a trick on you. I swear to God.

902
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 2: Is this cool? Is it? Is it okay that I'm

903
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 2: here every day in the gym, punching this bag and

904
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 2: listening to what you're telling me to do, so I can,

905
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 2: you know, take care of myself and heart wise, health wise,

906
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 2: boxing wise. You know, it's just consistent.

907
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, stay, Consistency is a skill as it is.

908
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, dang, I think he's taking advantage of

909
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 2: the unlimited classes you are, and that's their fault. I've

910
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 2: seen real genius. I know how Laslow works. Okay, of

911
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 2: the Freedom Lay competition, bro.

912
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 3: I love it, man, Al Kilmer, I love it, man?

913
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 2: What right?

914
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, no, it's great man. I would say

915
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 3: I would add to what Cameron is saying is the military.

916
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 3: It's the gift that keeps on giving if you let it.

917
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 3: You know, I've learned. I've been out for thirteen years

918
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 3: at this point, and I still learn lessons from my

919
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 3: time in the military. I have the same memories, but

920
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 3: as I grow and I change and I develop, I

921
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,280
Speaker 3: think about my military time and I learned different lessons

922
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 3: from it. And then lessons that I learned come back

923
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,720
Speaker 3: every once in a while, and they reiterate themselves and

924
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 3: they they show themselves to be true. And so it's

925
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 3: it's good, man. It's good if you If you want

926
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 3: some structure, if you want some guidance, if you want

927
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 3: some challenge in your life, and you want to be

928
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 3: a part of something greater than yourself. The military can

929
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 3: provide all those things. It does not want to guarantee. Yeah, yeah,

930
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 3: there's no guarantees in the military because I know people

931
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 3: that went in and they came out and they did

932
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 3: not benefit from their time in the military, and they're

933
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 3: resentful and and yeah bitter, But it can it can

934
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 3: benefit you greatly.

935
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. I didn't have a full Green Beret experience in

936
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 2: the military, and I had to do things that I

937
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 2: didn't want to do because people told me to do

938
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 2: it because they didn't like me. But at the end

939
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:16,479
Speaker 2: of the day, I got a VA home loan.

940
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, you go, yeah, lows.

941
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 2: To that. You know that you're gonna get a discount

942
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 2: at dispensaries.

943
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 3: You know.

944
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 2: Look, you're not gonna smoke when you're in, I promise, okay,

945
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 2: but when you get out you're probably.

946
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 5: Gonna look into it.

947
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 2: There's a discount for you. There's a discount. Yeah, Military

948
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 2: fifteen percent off. Bro.

949
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 5: You know, one day a year go to Apple's get

950
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 5: a free meal.

951
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 3: Military at basket.

952
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, they say, hunt the good stuff, Hunt the good stuff.

953
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 2: Wheel and my dad around the VA though, wearing a

954
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 2: full VA hospital outfit to piece with a barcode that

955
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 2: says property of US government. As I go, Dad, I

956
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 2: thought you were tired. He looked at me and he's like,

957
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 2: yeah about that. You know, it's like a barco so

958
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 2: you can be scanned. It says property US Government. You're

959
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 2: not no, no no Va, good old Va. No.

960
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 5: Let's talk about that.

961
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 2: In pop culture, let me ask you something, what was

962
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:22,760
Speaker 2: your specialty? Like eighteen echo eighteen Charlie, Bravo, what'd you do? Correct?

963
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 3: Eighteen echo communication sergeant? Oh yeah, okay, And I I

964
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 3: gotta admit man. At the time, I had a plan

965
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 3: to be in for a couple of years to do

966
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,479
Speaker 3: some stuff and then to get out because I wanted

967
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 3: to be a famous actor out here in Los Angeles. Still, yeah,

968
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 3: you never know.

969
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 2: No, I don't, I do know. Huh yeah, thanks, I

970
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 2: got IMDb, bro, I'm working on it.

971
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 3: Go for you go. There you go, man, dude, Yeah,

972
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 3: thanks man, I appreciate that.

973
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

974
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 3: I need all the encouragement I can get from a

975
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 3: broken home.

976
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 2: So well, hey, look what you did though you passed

977
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 2: right at home. My dad was always there for me.

978
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 2: Yeah you know what I'm saying, Like, that's what happens.

979
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 2: He's like gonna beat it for my kids. Someone wasn't

980
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 2: there for him.

981
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 3: There you go, man, Yeah, I can. You can turn

982
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 3: it around in a generation. You can turn it around.

983
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,439
Speaker 3: That's something that I think everyone listening to this should

984
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 3: keep in mind. Man, whatever you wherever past you came from,

985
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 3: that you can turn it around.

986
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 2: You know that's right.

987
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, uh yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's right. Never too

988
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 3: old to start over again. Like I am.

989
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 2: You know, is a communications master?

990
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 3: Well, I mean I hope so I was. I was

991
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,720
Speaker 3: the junior on my team. So I give that credit

992
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 3: to Mike Saint Clair he was my senior and he

993
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,439
Speaker 3: knew everything and I learned a lot from him. But yeah,

994
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 3: all things communication, whether it's computers or stat phones or

995
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 3: you know, the radios inside the humpies, that's your job.

996
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 3: And if comms goes down, that's your fault. And if

997
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 3: they work, great, nobody cares.

998
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 2: Did you carry a pigeon around in your pocket just

999
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 2: in case a pigeon carrier pigeon?

1000
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Yeah no. I had a lighter with

1001
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 3: some tinder so I could do smoke signals.

1002
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, dude, give him a pigeon patch. Yeah, here

1003
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 2: you go, eighteen echo.

1004
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what, man, that's my mom. And my

1005
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 3: mom took care of the carrier pigeons for my stepdad

1006
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 3: for a long time. And they say that China's got

1007
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 3: a million carrier pigeons. Man, so they're ready if they.

1008
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 2: Go in all of like Game of Thrones, Is it

1009
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 2: not a real thing?

1010
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the ravens and everything, so it's so reliable. Yeah,

1011
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 3: you know.

1012
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 2: Oh this message is from six months ago. It says

1013
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 2: we're under castle.

1014
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 3: Yeah help quick?

1015
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, you up?

1016
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 5: Question mark you up?

1017
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 2: I just slid in. Yeah, it didn't hold that bro. Yeah,

1018
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 2: it's awesome. That's awesome. Now you guys seeing a good

1019
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: success on your podcast, people coming in and listening.

1020
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, Yeah, it's been fun. We have a good

1021
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 3: dedicated bass. I would say of people that really they

1022
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 3: love hanging out with us. Uh, they like what we do.

1023
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 3: Now it's just a I mean, I think it's just

1024
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 3: a matter of like getting the word out. I guess

1025
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 3: you could say, maybe marketing ourselves a little bit because

1026
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 3: I like what the podcast is and I'm all, we're

1027
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 3: always looking for ideas on how to add value to

1028
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 3: what we're doing because it's a good time and we

1029
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 3: got some good people listening with good like you say, man,

1030
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 3: the community, the fans, whoever supports the that's what matters, man,

1031
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 3: they really do. It sounds so cliche when you say,

1032
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 3: you hear some celebrity been like, it's all about the fans, man,

1033
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 3: It's all about you guys. It really is, because they

1034
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 3: are the reason why we can continue to do what

1035
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 3: we do. And then they're the support structure. If you

1036
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 3: want to try new things, they're with you. They're like, yeah,

1037
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 3: I love what we love you guys, we love what

1038
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 3: you do. Let's try this new thing. So it's I

1039
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 3: appreciate it very much. So so yeah, whatever we could

1040
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 3: do to get the word out man. And by the way,

1041
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 3: thank you for having us on the show.

1042
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1043
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 5: Absolutely, it's been a pleasure.

1044
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 2: Man. Well it just shows I love having this type

1045
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 2: of a conversation because a it shows that you can

1046
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 2: go in the military, have an experience in the military,

1047
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 2: grow from those things, get out of the military. That's

1048
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 2: who you were, This is who you are. A lot

1049
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 2: of folks forget that's who you are today versus who

1050
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 2: you were then. You may have passed. Yeah, been a sniper,

1051
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 2: but that's not today. Today you're like driving the school bus.

1052
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 2: You know. It's like I mean, I'm just saying, like

1053
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 2: the opposite spectrums. Yeah, so oh yeah.

1054
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 4: No, to appreciate your experiences and you know, learn from

1055
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 4: them and understand that's where you came from, but to

1056
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 4: not fully encompass.

1057
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 5: Your life and who you were. But you know, who

1058
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 5: are you today?

1059
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 4: You know, how do you take those lessons you learned

1060
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 4: back then from being you know, I think that's a

1061
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 4: that's a big problem. Like I've had friends, you know,

1062
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,760
Speaker 4: and seen it firsthand, you know, being in ranger regiment,

1063
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 4: being told you're the best of the best. Then getting

1064
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 4: out and driving a truck for Amazon and like breaking

1065
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 4: down because you've been told you're the best of all

1066
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 4: kinds and now you're you know, back to the bottom

1067
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 4: and you're.

1068
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 5: Like, well, I don't deserve this, and it's just like okay,

1069
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 5: the best.

1070
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but if you can take, you know, those

1071
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 4: lessons that you learned. And you know, the one thing

1072
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 4: I learned is be the best at everything you do,

1073
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 4: regardless of if you hated not So even if I

1074
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 4: worked at Burger King, I would be the best burger

1075
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 4: flipper you ever fucking seen. But you know, working your

1076
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 4: way through and taking those challenges, and I think it's

1077
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 4: all about mindset. But yeah, no, you're absolutely right. Just

1078
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 4: not living in the past about who you were. Like

1079
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 4: you're somebody today and you're somebody with just a little

1080
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 4: bit more you know, experience from those experiences you've had,

1081
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 4: so take them and use them to your advantage.

1082
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's great, Cameron. I try to. You know, I

1083
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 3: had a little bit of imposter syndrome when we kind

1084
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 3: of started first doing the gameology stuff and the shift

1085
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 3: fire stuff because I was out for so long. I

1086
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 3: thought to myself what do I have to offer. I

1087
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 3: don't know anything anymore. I can't tell you the designation

1088
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 3: of that weapon. I don't remember what the field manual

1089
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 3: was for this regulation. And Cameron has been such a

1090
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 3: helpful bulwark of strength when it comes to that kind

1091
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 3: of knowledge. But I had to ask myself, like, what

1092
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 3: what do I have to offer? And what I can

1093
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 3: do is each day I can honor what I was.

1094
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 3: I can remember what I was, and I can use

1095
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,879
Speaker 3: the principles and take the same spirit of the Green

1096
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,439
Speaker 3: Beret of Special Forces into everything that I do. Whether

1097
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 3: it's just a simple podcast, whether it's a live stream

1098
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 3: or or just an inn a daily interaction with somebody

1099
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 3: that I don't even know, I can still take the

1100
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 3: spirit of the Green Beret, and that is spree to

1101
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 3: cores and that those honors I can take the leadership, loyalty, duty, respect,

1102
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 3: selfless service, honor, integrity, and personal courage. Those are good

1103
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 3: things that you can take into anything. Even though I'm

1104
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 3: not wearing a uniform anymore, I can still act like

1105
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 3: a soldier. I can still in whatever I'm doing.

1106
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,919
Speaker 2: You know you're you say such nice things so well.

1107
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 3: He's such an articulate gentleman.

1108
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me just let me flatter you a little bit, okay,

1109
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 2: because you know there's the uniform can be worn or

1110
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 2: you can wear the uniform. So I think that you

1111
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 2: are that a spree. I think that you are that

1112
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:50,439
Speaker 2: SF culture already that they pulled out of you. They're

1113
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 2: just like, let's just hone in on these skill sets

1114
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 2: that you have, right and same with you. You guys

1115
00:49:55,840 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 2: are already badass and the best. It just happens a b.

1116
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 2: You went through the SF training and you went through

1117
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 2: the Ranger Regiment training, but it's already in you. You

1118
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 2: are those things, so when you get out, you're still

1119
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 2: those things. Yeah.

1120
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 5: I love that saying. Thank you for saying that, my friend.

1121
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 4: But you know that you know that old saying this

1122
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 4: is you see it on a bumper sticker sometime, and

1123
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 4: it has to do with devil Dogs.

1124
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 5: It's like not as lean, not as mean, but still

1125
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:22,919
Speaker 5: a marine. I love those dudes.

1126
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 4: But it's like, yeah, you know, you're still an example

1127
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 4: of where you came from, and it's like you can

1128
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 4: never take that away from you.

1129
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 2: So yeah, because you had it when you went in,

1130
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 2: and you have it when you get out.

1131
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 5: And it's also a curse.

1132
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's also I think it's also a little bit

1133
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 4: of a curse because like wherever I go now, like

1134
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 4: when I went to college after what.

1135
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 2: Your ancestors said is they kicked as to get you here. Yeah,

1136
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 2: it's a curse.

1137
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it was a curse.

1138
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,240
Speaker 4: Now, wherever you go, the title green beread, the title

1139
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 4: of army ranger sits on your shoulders, and you are

1140
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 4: still you were still a representation, you were still an

1141
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 4: example to sit like you're going to be for life.

1142
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 4: So like if you slack, if you slack off and

1143
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 4: you're one of those guys, it's like, yeah, I was

1144
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 4: a ranger, and then you know you're slacking off for

1145
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 4: being lazier, doing the wrong thing.

1146
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 5: It makes it makes everybody else look bad. So yeah,

1147
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 5: so it's a curse.

1148
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 4: It's a blessing and a curse because I had that

1149
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 4: in school because I hate school. But when I went

1150
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 4: to college, they're like, what did you do? I was like, oh,

1151
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 4: I was in the military. And obviously you know civilians,

1152
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 4: they dig, they're like, oh, what'd you do in the military.

1153
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I was a ranger. So my

1154
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 4: entire four years in college you're like that guy's a ranger.

1155
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 4: So I had to get on her graduate right, Yeah,

1156
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 4: I had to go on the dean's list.

1157
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 5: I had to. And that's what I did.

1158
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 4: I got, you know, kum Laud at a school that

1159
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 4: I didn't even want to go to.

1160
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 2: But you did it, bro, because that's you. It's you.

1161
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 2: It's you, and that's why you're doing this and that's

1162
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 2: why we're crossing paths and here you are, you know,

1163
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 2: because just you're just being yourself. Yeah, and all you do,

1164
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 2: you're just real. And that's what I get from Izzy,

1165
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 2: And that's what I get from you, is just And

1166
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 2: that's what you said to me. You're like, Bro, you've

1167
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 2: already figured yourself out. Mom, I don't pretty much have, dude.

1168
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 2: I I just walk around if we're all created in

1169
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:04,399
Speaker 2: a religion of gods looking like gods, and we're all

1170
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 2: gods walking around with gods, so no one's above me

1171
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 2: and no one's below me. We're all together at the

1172
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 2: same level. So you know, I just see three other

1173
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 2: two other gods in front of me.

1174
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 5: Yeahs.

1175
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 3: And you know one thing I would say, reasons give

1176
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:31,760
Speaker 3: or reasons yeah right and everything? Yeah and everything, yes, Well,

1177
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 3: and I would say that you you know, I think

1178
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 3: you hat on something about the uh you know, being

1179
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 3: made in God's image, right, Yes, I talked about that

1180
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 3: in scripture, you know. So that means, like you say,

1181
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,720
Speaker 3: we're all of equal value. What we have in being

1182
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 3: military man or coming from military backgrounds, that is an

1183
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 3: amazing thing. It's it's something that we can carry with us,

1184
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,919
Speaker 3: something that we will always be a part of. If

1185
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 3: you never served, right, I hear a lot of people

1186
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:56,959
Speaker 3: saying like, ah, man, I wish I'd never did serve.

1187
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 3: I couldn't medical, I had a mental thing. Whatever what

1188
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 3: you're saying is still true. That stuff is still in there.

1189
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 3: It was just the crucible of the military that brought

1190
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 3: out of us. You can find that thing that brings

1191
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:09,959
Speaker 3: it out of you. And if you if you don't

1192
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 3: have an organization, you can go out and find a softple.

1193
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 3: You can find airsoft. Yeah, exactly, man, Probably there's so.

1194
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 2: Many Captain America's is he so many kids there you

1195
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,760
Speaker 2: go who could never join because of asthma or their parents.

1196
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 2: Let's let's point this out before we wrap this up.

1197
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 2: Some of my friends have been put on adderall under

1198
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 2: the age of eighteen. Knowing they're playing airsoft so hardcore.

1199
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 2: The parents are like, oh shit, I think they might

1200
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 2: want to join. Yeah, and so they're like, oh, get

1201
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 2: them in, get them prescribed adderall. And then now all

1202
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 2: of a sudden he's like, oh, I can't join the

1203
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 2: Navy my parents. I'm on adderall.

1204
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 4: I'll tell you real quick if you're one of those

1205
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,760
Speaker 4: people when you go to MEPs live.

1206
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 2: The World War two, World War it.

1207
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 5: Still works today. Man, people squeeze through the cracks all

1208
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 5: the time. No, that's definitely an issue.

1209
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 4: I've gotten a lot of messages about like, well, my

1210
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,320
Speaker 4: parents won't allow me to join, Like, well.

1211
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 2: They'll bully one step further, like just kind of like

1212
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 2: get you know what I mean.

1213
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 5: It's like that's what the military is. Very hard organization

1214
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 5: to join.

1215
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 4: It's like, like I said, it's not an equal opportunity employer.

1216
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 2: You give a healthy body to somebody to the military,

1217
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 2: you're you're fully checked up, you're fully bent overspread. You

1218
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 2: go in baseball player, was me go in? You know,

1219
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 2: you guys had your own you know, athleticisms going in

1220
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,879
Speaker 2: and then you get out and something's like, oh, man,

1221
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 2: I don't know, be sure that you.

1222
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 3: Do give a lot, man, you do give a lot.

1223
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 3: That's you don't.

1224
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 2: You don't.

1225
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 3: You're not the same After military service. You do sacrifice,

1226
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 3: and you will continue to pay. Some of us will

1227
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 3: continue to pay for the rest of our lives because

1228
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,240
Speaker 3: of our military service. There is a price to pay.

1229
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 3: But for me, I would say it's worth it. It's

1230
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 3: worth when you pay. Even in the political kind of

1231
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 3: the current cultural political climate these days, you know, the

1232
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 3: leadership and stuff right now, I don't know that I

1233
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 3: would necessarily agree with everything that they're saying. Even this,

1234
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 3: Even then, the spirit of the military still survives, the

1235
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 3: spirit of the history and what where we came from,

1236
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 3: and the ideas, the ideals of a soldier are still alive.

1237
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 3: They just may not be completely lived out because leadership

1238
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 3: and politics and cultural trends and all that kind of stuff.

1239
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 3: But the things that are true are still true, you know.

1240
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 3: And so if you still have that idea that you

1241
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 3: want to join the military, I still say it's a

1242
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 3: good idea.

1243
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I still I'm not paid by the Guard or

1244
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,800
Speaker 2: any army or marines. They don't give me the money

1245
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 2: for like sponsorship, and I don't want it. Right It's

1246
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 2: like I want them to want you, my listener to

1247
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 2: join if they want to join. Yeah, and if it's

1248
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 2: an organic conversation where it's like there's the National Guard,

1249
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 2: you can go start out at the state level. There's

1250
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 2: special forces in National Guard. Yea, you know, there's Guard. Yeah, yeah, right,

1251
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 2: you can go guard and you can just talk to

1252
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:40,919
Speaker 2: your local National Guard recruiter. You can work a week

1253
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 2: in the month, two weeks a year. You can go ranger,

1254
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 2: active duty. There's things that are available or even excuse me,

1255
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 2: green beret active duty. That's how my dad worked it.

1256
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 2: He was still Guard, but he was like.

1257
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 5: An active in the nineteenth group, nineteen twentieth.

1258
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's best kept secret in the military, by the way, Yeah,

1259
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 4: nineteenth and twentieth group.

1260
00:55:58,760 --> 00:55:59,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1261
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 2: You know. So it's like you, I'm just saying, if

1262
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 2: you're out there and you're thinking you want to give

1263
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 2: it a go, go talk to somebody and see if

1264
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 2: a career in the military is for you. That's the

1265
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 2: best way to do it, because it is a career.

1266
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 2: It is a choice. You're going to be in for

1267
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 2: six to eight I are are inactive ready reserves after right, right,

1268
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 2: So I mean, you know I didn't have like, you know,

1269
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 2: the special Forces experience. But I had a fun of

1270
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 2: time and I had a I saluted people I didn't

1271
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 2: have to, like I had had.

1272
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 3: A salute dude.

1273
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah. And my daughter he's like, you're going to

1274
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 2: salute people you like, and you're going to salute people

1275
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 2: you don't like.

1276
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's everywhere in life.

1277
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 4: That's right, whether you're in the workforce, military is just

1278
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 4: things are the same, yes.

1279
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, Like Dick Winters said, man, you salute the uniforse,

1280
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 3: you salute the rank, not the man.

1281
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 2: That's right.

1282
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 3: You're going to work with people out in the real

1283
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 3: world that you do not like, that you don't get

1284
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 3: along with, but.

1285
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 2: You have to salute.

1286
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:51,959
Speaker 3: Yeah you can. You could still make it work.

1287
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. One time, my dad is pissed. He's like, sir, man,

1288
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 2: I call you an asshole, sir. He's like, you may not.

1289
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 2: He's like, then I will not call you an asshole, sir.

1290
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 2: That was his major. I remember that story. I mean,

1291
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 2: I remember my dad was pro chill. He's real chill

1292
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 2: all the time, you know, And I don't think I

1293
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 2: heard him say the F word two times. And when

1294
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 2: was he was yelling in the Armory at somebody. He's

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Speaker 2: like Arah, and I was like, oh, dad's mad. Yeah

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00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 2: that's all I thought. Okay, bad day for whoever that was.

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Speaker 2: And then one time my friend was wearing a circle

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00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 2: Jerks jacket and we were punk rock in ninth grade

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00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 2: and we were walking from the school. My dad drove by.

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00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 2: He's like, you guys want to ride. We're like, yeah, Dad,

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00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 2: let's get in. So me and Dan got in. He's

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Speaker 2: a professional drummer in a band right now, my buddy Dan,

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00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 2: and he's wearing the circle Jerks jacket. My dad's like,

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00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 2: so circle jerks huh. And he's driving our Lincoln. We're

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00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 2: in the back seat. He's like, guys, know what that means, right,

1306
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 2: And we're like looking at each other, like, no, it's

1307
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:44,959
Speaker 2: a band. He's like, means a bunch of dudes standing

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Speaker 2: in a circle, but on each other.

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Speaker 6: And I was like, dad just said did Dad just

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00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 6: say that? I didn't even want to say the whole word,

1311
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 6: did Dad just say that? And I looked at Dan

1312
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 6: and Dan looked at me. We're like, your dad just

1313
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 6: said that to us, dude, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: He never wore that leather jacket after that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's probably I'm in the punk community.

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Speaker 2: Nothing does that know that this is nineteen ninety one, right, Yeah, he.

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00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 3: Knew how to use it like that language. He knew

1318
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 3: how to use it like a sword like.

1319
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 2: And it drilled a whole right into me and Dan.

1320
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,439
Speaker 2: And Dan again is a professional drummer in the youth

1321
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 2: and he's rocking and rolling all over the place. So yeah,

1322
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 2: we were in band class together. Gouta gi him a

1323
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 2: shout out, So that's Dan. Well, listen, I've had a

1324
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Speaker 2: total fun time talking about pop culture in the film

1325
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 2: Manual the Military, having Izzy and Cameron on, you know,

1326
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 2: talking about your airborne stories, being a part of the

1327
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 2: Soft Rep family. Now you are a part of that.

1328
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 2: I appreciate you guys coming on, and I'd love to

1329
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 2: have you back on and talking more. As your pop

1330
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 2: culture phenomenon takes off and you guys start doing more

1331
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 2: and more, just hit me up and I'll get you

1332
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 2: on the show and we'll just go back and forth

1333
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 2: about war stories and how to be civil to one

1334
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 2: another in conversations in society.

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Speaker 3: Sure that, man, Rad, Thank you so much for having

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Speaker 3: us man.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's been a pleasure and it was so much

1338
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 5: fun talk with you.

1339
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Speaker 2: Man, I'm glad you guys reached out. And again, if

1340
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 2: my listener out there wants to reach out and has

1341
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 2: a story and wants to talk about what's on your mind,

1342
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 2: hit me up. I'll reply and we'll get your programmed

1343
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 2: onto the show. Until then, this is rad saying, check

1344
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 2: out the merch store thanks to Brandon Webb, and don't

1345
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 2: forget our book club slash book club. That's what's up,

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Speaker 2: all right, all right, and on behalf of my guests,

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Speaker 2: I want to say thanks again and peace.

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Speaker 1: You've been listening to Surf rep Radia