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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kick Golf Live

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Speaker 1: How are you? I am doing very well? How about

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Speaker 1: yourself doing well as well? That's good to hear. Good

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Speaker 1: by the way, Just f y o of Mike Grant

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Speaker 1: from Pro Football Focus. In just a moment, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: have the play by play man for Kentucky Football, Tom

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Speaker 1: leech a talk about Josh Allen and the other prospects

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Speaker 1: coming out of Kentucky. Also, if you have time to

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Speaker 1: read today, folkuss f y two very good articles out there,

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Speaker 1: um one by Robert May's another by Tyler Dunn about

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Speaker 1: uh the strategy of the Patriots to not give their

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Speaker 1: edge rushers big money and whether or not it works.

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Speaker 1: And then there's a great article um from Tyler on

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers and Mike McCarthy and how that whole thing

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Speaker 1: kind of fell upon Green Base. If you're not an

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Speaker 1: NFL fan, two pieces of required reading, and what's always

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Speaker 1: required reading is pro football focus on. One of their

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Speaker 1: lead analysts joins us right now, are good, buddy, Mike

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Speaker 1: ren or whoever you actually talked to in a couple

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Speaker 1: of years. Mike is good to have you back on

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Speaker 1: the show. How's it going, man, going great? Thanks for

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Speaker 1: having you back now. Absolutely, it's good to have you

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Speaker 1: and Mike. You guys have been kind of releasing your

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Speaker 1: mock drafts. You have your top fifty big board out

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Speaker 1: there as well. I'm sure you catch all the heat

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Speaker 1: for that because fans when they don't see what they want,

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Speaker 1: they get very upset. But let's talk about methodology for

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Speaker 1: you guys first, because you do grading on all these

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Speaker 1: college players, you have all four years for the seniors

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Speaker 1: of their college tape in your system and your grades.

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Speaker 1: But I know it's not just the grades that influence

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Speaker 1: how you put your big board together. In position value

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Speaker 1: has become a real big deal for you guys, right

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Speaker 1: just talk about how you put your big board together

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Speaker 1: and how you take all your different aspects from your

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Speaker 1: grading to your analytics into consideration when you put together

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Speaker 1: your big board. Yeah, so positional value plays a big

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Speaker 1: role in our big board kind of influences where we

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Speaker 1: have guys. So Kyler Murray is number one on our

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Speaker 1: big board basically because we think he is the best

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Speaker 1: just think because it's basically where so the big board is,

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Speaker 1: if we're drafting, we're just gonna take the best player

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Speaker 1: on that board, uh, no matter what. So running backs

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Speaker 1: get pushed down, lesser value positions get pushed down and

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Speaker 1: that being said, Mike, then based on that logic, after

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Speaker 1: the quarterback position, what would be then the next highest

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Speaker 1: and if you're a general manager really trying to rebuild

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Speaker 1: the depth chart of your team. Yeah, So I think

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Speaker 1: think it's interesting and I'm not surprised you have cornerback

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Speaker 1: great job with Steve Palozolo and Sam Monster on your

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Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus podcasts, But you have quarterbacks much higher

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Speaker 1: a lot better players later on. So from that perspective,

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Speaker 1: we still really don't know. So it is still worth

433
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Speaker 1: taking a shot on the guy who like Drew Lock

434
00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:35,280
Speaker 1: with his arm and with his accuracy uh in you know,

435
00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:37,920
Speaker 1: giving him that shot necessarily making him a franchise guy

436
00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:39,520
Speaker 1: raf the bat, but just giving him a shot to

437
00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,760
Speaker 1: develop well. Mike, as John mentioned, you have Will Greer

438
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Speaker 1: the overall player on your top fifty big board, and

439
00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,080
Speaker 1: I think not that the hype machine means much of anything,

440
00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,960
Speaker 1: but Career to me is that under the radar quarterback

441
00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,679
Speaker 1: didn't receive much excitement compared to some of these other

442
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks that we've talked about. What is the upside with

443
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Speaker 1: respect to Will Greer and connected to that, how much

444
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Speaker 1: in your opinion, is there a drop off considering Grewer

445
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Speaker 1: is so highly rated on your big board between a

446
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Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins and a Will Grier, I think Career just

447
00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,840
Speaker 1: has the accuracy of an unsull quarterback. I'm not sure

448
00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:18,160
Speaker 1: he has the downfield the downfield accuracy, but he has

449
00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,520
Speaker 1: the underneath and intermediate accuracy is as good as pretty

450
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Speaker 1: much anyone in this class. Downfield, he struggled a little

451
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Speaker 1: bit more decision making struggle a little bit more. Can't

452
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Speaker 1: make screwly struggled also make plays outside the pocket or

453
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Speaker 1: reason when he was moved off the spot inside the

454
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Speaker 1: pocket to navigate that and then continue to throw the

455
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Speaker 1: ball downfield at a high level. But the under underneath.

456
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Speaker 1: Accuracy is difficult to teach ball placement in that range.

457
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Speaker 1: It's just something that we've seen as being pretty consistent

458
00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,840
Speaker 1: year on year. Guys pretty much are who they are

459
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,280
Speaker 1: in terms of that, and he has. So from that perspective,

460
00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,480
Speaker 1: accuracy is a good tool to work with. Ball placement

461
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,680
Speaker 1: is a good tool to work with. For an NFL quarterback,

462
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,399
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff needs to be cleaned up. I mean,

463
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,640
Speaker 1: he's coming from West Virginia offense that's not necessarily projectable

464
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Speaker 1: well to the NFL. So from that perspective, I do

465
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,439
Speaker 1: think there's a lot to work with. But he is

466
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Speaker 1: and like I talked about, through their projects, they're not

467
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Speaker 1: guys that you want to step in right away. But

468
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Speaker 1: like I said, you guys can develop at the NFL level,

469
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Speaker 1: Um Mike, When you guys do your college grading, and

470
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Speaker 1: I like to talk about bust right here, what positions

471
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Speaker 1: are higher risk for you guys and your grading system,

472
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Speaker 1: Which positions translate best from your college grading to pro grading,

473
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Speaker 1: and which positions where depending on the prospect. Maybe, boy,

474
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Speaker 1: I don't know how well this group is going to

475
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Speaker 1: translate based on how they performed on the fielding college

476
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Speaker 1: where do you see the most consistency and where do

477
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,479
Speaker 1: you see the most inconsistency from your college to pro grading.

478
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Speaker 1: I think we see the most consistency at UH defense

479
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,239
Speaker 1: is just basically pass protection and rushing the past there

480
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:52,200
Speaker 1: basically because it's the most one versus one Basically, it

481
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,160
Speaker 1: is the most one v one UH interaction you get

482
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Speaker 1: in the whole entire sport. It is one guy versus

483
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Speaker 1: another guy and can you beat them on a consistent

484
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:01,920
Speaker 1: and you get a ton of snaps. So of course

485
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 1: the season, you'll get four hundred you know, of those

486
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 1: interactions over the course of the season. So it's a

487
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 1: big sample size and a very limited scope in terms

488
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 1: of UH the interaction that you're getting. So we've seen

489
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Speaker 1: that really translate well. College production at wide receiver has

490
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:20,119
Speaker 1: not is not something that translates exceptionally well to the NFL. Basically,

491
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Speaker 1: guys who get a rack up a ton of yards

492
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Speaker 1: not necessarily going to be your best receivers at the

493
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Speaker 1: NFL level. It's a lot more based on classicism and

494
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Speaker 1: wracking up the yards, and production in college a lot

495
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Speaker 1: more based on schemes and that sort of thing that

496
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Speaker 1: you're in. So the wide receiver is difficult to project.

497
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Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen it in recent years with how

498
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Speaker 1: teams have drafted at that position, So I don't think

499
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Speaker 1: we're the only ones absolutely not well and related to that,

500
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Speaker 1: and I think Mike you alluded to this. What I

501
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,440
Speaker 1: tend to be seeing more often is maybe ten years ago,

502
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Speaker 1: the college game was so far removed from the NFL game.

503
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Speaker 1: But now you see Cliff Kingsbury coming into the NFL.

504
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Speaker 1: There are a number of coaches that are adopting collegiate

505
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Speaker 1: s type of schemes. Does that help per ups? That

506
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 1: disparity is a closing as a result in your mind

507
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 1: of a number of NFL teams adopting college like schemes.

508
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Speaker 1: I still think it is difficult, especially at wide receiver,

509
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Speaker 1: to project, but I do think it's helping, I think

510
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 1: to some degree, and I think it's actually helping more

511
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Speaker 1: at quarterback. Is the sort of concept that they're running,

512
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 1: aren't These are are as dissimilar as they used to be.

513
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,880
Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest position where we're seeing. UH

514
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Speaker 1: coach is willing to adopt it because it's it's a

515
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Speaker 1: lot on your plate when you're going from you know,

516
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Speaker 1: two different completely different playbooks, completely different verbiage, and you

517
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 1: have to master it, you know, meals to play the

518
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Speaker 1: quarterback position at a high level when that's not so

519
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Speaker 1: different all of a sudden, I think, then that's where

520
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Speaker 1: we're seeing the biggest change. Mike, final question before we

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Speaker 1: say go buying again. Thanks a lot for the time.

522
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Speaker 1: You guys like to destroy narratives that are out there,

523
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Speaker 1: and we already talked about Shan Gary a little bit.

524
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Speaker 1: Give me two, three, four, however many you want to give.

525
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: That gets on your nerves when you're listening to people

526
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 1: talk about these draft prospects. Boy, that is just not true.

527
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Speaker 1: Whether guys overrated, underrated. Give me a few guys where

528
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Speaker 1: you know, some of the common narvratives around these prospects

529
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: just drives you a batty. I think there's two, but

530
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Speaker 1: I'll point to one. Is the insistence of teams wanting

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Speaker 1: to move someone to office guard offensive tackle two offensive

532
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: cards specistically in this class. Jonah Williams. I think it's

533
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Speaker 1: a big reason why teams are stuck with a bunch

534
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 1: of terrible tackles in the NFL levels because they're so

535
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 1: quick to move. You know, very good guards like Zack

536
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Speaker 1: Martin and Marshall. You're very good college tackles like Zack

537
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Speaker 1: Martin Marshall yonda to guard And then yeah, they're good guards,

538
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 1: but I think they could also be good tackles, and

539
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: tackles the far more valuable position. So when people say, oh,

540
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Speaker 1: you know, Joan Williams is a guard for us, I

541
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Speaker 1: just think without absurd to limit a guy to that

542
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: when we see tackles, you know, mediocre tackles. You guys know,

543
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 1: Nate's older getting paid more than the best guard in

544
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Speaker 1: the NFL just because of the positional value. So that

545
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 1: to me is the biggest one. And then the that

546
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 1: is teams mocking unning backs in the first round. We

547
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: obviously enough another one that you guys know, but hey,

548
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: we just think the difference between first round running backs

549
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 1: and a lot of third round running backs is it's

550
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 1: just that it's the least the least skill difference of

551
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 1: any position. And from that perspective, yes, you can get

552
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,679
Speaker 1: a very good one in the first round, but you

553
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: should be willing to say, we can't get a very

554
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 1: good edge rusher in the first round. Give me this

555
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Speaker 1: edge rusher in the third round, Give me this DG

556
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: rusher in the first, I know I trust myself to

557
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 1: be able to get that running back in the third.

558
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Speaker 1: That really hit me absolutely. I have your Draft guy

559
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Speaker 1: print down on my desk. Tell the folks how they

560
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Speaker 1: get it, what's in there, and why you think it's

561
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 1: a worthwhile investment for football fans out there. Yeah. If

562
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Speaker 1: you go to joint Pro football Focus dot com, all

563
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Speaker 1: you need the edge monthly subscription to get our draft guide.

564
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: You get it with any of our subscriptions, though, go

565
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Speaker 1: check it out. Profiles not over five people. Gonna have

566
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Speaker 1: an updated full two D fifty big board coming, I

567
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Speaker 1: believe next week with our top two ur prospects in

568
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Speaker 1: this draft. This stuff you can't get anywhere else. Mike,

569
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: it's a pleasure. Thanks for the insight, thanks the information.

570
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 1: We enjoy your work. Check them out Pro Football Focus.

571
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: They have their show on Serious and then their podcast

572
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 1: as well. Mike will talk to you down the road.

573
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Speaker 1: All right, Thanks pal, Thanks Mike, You're very welcome. That's

574
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: Mike Renner does a great job for Pro Football Focus,

575
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 1: giving their unique perspective on some of the folks in

576
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: the NFL draft class Lands takeaways Well, I mean clearly

577
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,360
Speaker 1: he's high on the number of the defensive lineman and

578
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: says that listen, if you have an opportunity to take him,

579
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: you should go with him early. I think it's interesting

580
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: his point about if you're hiring a quarterback, you should

581
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Speaker 1: take him at six if you feel you can wait

582
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 1: for them at seventeen. So I thought that was an

583
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: interesting comment as well. Well. I think if he thinks,

584
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Speaker 1: if you believe this guy's your franchise quarterback, the position

585
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: so valuable, make sure you get him at six, right. Yeah,

586
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: that makes sense. You don't risk or roll the dice

587
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:49,959
Speaker 1: that the player is not gonna be there. But I

588
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 1: think that you could argue that could hold true for

589
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 1: just about any other year. But I do think that

590
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: if the Giants perhaps don't take the household name quarterback

591
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: in the eyes of the fans, that ain't not sit

592
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: very well. No, it would not at all, So you

593
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 1: certainly need to at least take that into consideration. From

594
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: a conversation Stamp, I don't think the Giants are overly

595
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: concerned about it, but I don't how the fans would respond.

596
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely um And I thought the other interesting part is

597
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 1: how they think it's easy to project offensive and defensive

598
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: line play as opposed to other positions, And I do

599
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: you know why, I think that's true. I think in

600
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, especially when it comes to past protection.

601
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 1: And you can make the argument guys that don't go

602
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: into three point stance in college, you know, with the

603
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: run blocking and stuff like that. An offense, that's a problem,

604
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: But trying to block a guy to get to your

605
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: quarterback is kind of non scheme specific being a defensive end,

606
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: trying to sack a quarterback doesn't really matter what your

607
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: scheme is. I mean, you're just trying to beat the

608
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 1: guy in front of It makes sense, yeah, I mean

609
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: technique is a big part of that no matter what

610
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 1: level you're at. So I think that you see a

611
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: player who holds up very well on the college level,

612
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 1: you expect that that hopefully would translate with tweaking from

613
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: coaching and so forth. So I'm not necessarily surprised to

614
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:58,679
Speaker 1: hear about that. And I thought he brought up a

615
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: good point about you know, we always project tackles move

616
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: inside and so forth, and you know they believe some

617
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: of these tackles who could go early in the draft.

618
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: I mean there's a number of them. If if people

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Speaker 1: want to go to the website to see them in

620
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 1: the top fifty and the mains leaving the tackle and

621
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Speaker 1: the main two guys are Jonah Williams, who some people

622
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 1: are projecting the guarden, Cody Forwards the other guy who's

623
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: that some people project the guard. And I'm with Mike,

624
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 1: you let these guys try to be tackles first. If

625
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 1: they fail in your backup plan, I'll put them inside.

626
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: They'll be an all pro guard. Great, awesome, that's fine,

627
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 1: But let them fall tackle first. Yeah, I mean, if

628
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Speaker 1: they played that position on the college level, doesn't it

629
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 1: make sense to experiment a little with them initially. Now,

630
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: the other thing to take in the consideration is some

631
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: teams when they draft to tackle, they have more of

632
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: a hole also at guard, and by necessity they want

633
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: to move the player over. But if you're of the

634
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: luxury where you have a guard you can develop a

635
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: young tackle, then I'd rather see the player grow at

636
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Speaker 1: the tackle position. And you don't want after two or

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Speaker 1: three years it doesn't work out, then move on. We

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Speaker 1: want to remind you that Big Book five is presented

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Speaker 1: an Amazing Giants prizes will get to the phones. Will

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Speaker 1: be taking calls in the next fifteen to twenty minutes

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Speaker 1: or so. When we're joined by Tom Leach, who does

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Speaker 1: Kentucky football play by play. At around twelve forty five,

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Ralph and Asbury Park. He's up first. Hey, Ralphie, Hey,

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Speaker 1: what's going on? John? And we're doing great? What's up, Ralph?

646
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Speaker 1: I must yeah, I've just had a couple of draft

647
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Speaker 1: picks on it to bring up. I know you guys

648
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: set at number six if we took for Shawn Gary,

649
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: I want to know about that. I got said about

650
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: that in my other draft picks that seventh seen if

651
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: we would take no Quill Harry or from Arizona State, Oh,

652
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: Keen Butler, well, I always date all right, you know

653
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Speaker 1: what you guys think about that? No good questions and

654
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: Ralph ankswer to the call. We appreciate it. Uh. I

655
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: would not select for Shawn Garot Sex Now. I think

656
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: he checks all the boxes you want. If you look

657
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: at his numbers, at the combine, his body type, his size,

658
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: his speed, his athleticism. You know, you look at him

659
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,719
Speaker 1: during what ends and you're like, oh boy, look at

660
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: this guy. This guy is gonna be great. He's fantastic,

661
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: and he had three sacks. It's a problem, well, especially

662
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: it relates to what the conversation we were just having

663
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: in terms of offensive linement defensive linement doesn't translate. I

664
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Speaker 1: think you'd want to see a little bit more production. Plus,

665
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Speaker 1: he is going up against high caliber talent in the

666
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: Big Ten. It's not as if he's in Conference USA

667
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Speaker 1: or something. So you know, if he can't get home

668
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Speaker 1: in the Big Ten, does that mean that he's gonna

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Speaker 1: get home in the NFC East. I mean, what is

670
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: the upside there? I think you have to certainly take

671
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Speaker 1: that into consideration. But remember, and Mike brought up to

672
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: he takes snaps off, which which you don't like. Of course, now,

673
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: could a scheme bring out the best in a player, maybe,

674
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: I mean that certainly can happen. But you're banking on

675
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Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator, the coaching staff tapping into what a

676
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Speaker 1: Michigan coaching staff couldn't do over the span of a

677
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Speaker 1: few years. That to me is a little bit of

678
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Speaker 1: a rolling of the dice. And then his picket seventeen

679
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Speaker 1: uh Nick kill Harry. I would not take him at

680
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Speaker 1: seven team. I like a Keim Butler better as a player.

681
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: I also like DJ Metcalf better as a player. I

682
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: haven't gotten through all the receivers yet, Ralph, to be

683
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: honest with you, UM, I have watched those guys, um

684
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: and I've watched Brown from Old Miss as well, and

685
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: I would select him ahead of Nikkil Harry as well.

686
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: Now I know Harry is more that bigger, win, contested

687
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: catches down the field type guy, and that's what the

688
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: Giants want because they have a bunch of six foot

689
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: guys that could run routes and do stuff like that.

690
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: You want a different type of player. But I would

691
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Speaker 1: not pick Harry would not be the guy I would

692
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Speaker 1: pick at seventeen. If you're looking for that bigger wide receiver,

693
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Speaker 1: that's not where I would go. He does not get

694
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: separation to me, lance when you look at the NFL,

695
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: winning at the catchpoints important, but the bottom line, I

696
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: want my receiver to be able to get open. And

697
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: and you go back to Kelvin Benjamin. He's a guy

698
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: when he came out of his always big strong, he

699
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: makes contested catches. You know, same thing with the quand

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00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: treadwall right big, you can make these catches. Dude doesn't

701
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Speaker 1: get open enough, get open, and if you don't get

702
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: open consistently, I'm not picking me in the first round. Well,

703
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: you know why. I think when the conversation comes up

704
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Speaker 1: about tall, wide receivers, everybody thinks red zone, red zone,

705
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: red zone. You gotta get to the red zone first, John,

706
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: or to get to the red zone, right, guys have

707
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: to make plays in the middle of the field. How

708
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: do they make plays in the middle field? They get separation.

709
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: It can't just be jump ball every single time that

710
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: the quarterback throws it. So, yeah, separation is important as

711
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: opposed to just the size. Now, you know, I want

712
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: to go back to a conversation. We were asked a

713
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Speaker 1: lot before the Giants signed Golden Tape, and the initial

714
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: reaction was Taine and Shepherd are similar and I'm not

715
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: gonna shy away from that comment. And they still are

716
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: similar about But I also think that the Giants field,

717
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: they can move those wide receivers around. They can get

718
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: guys inside and outside both correct, so they can take

719
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Speaker 1: advantage of their versatility. And the other part of the

720
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Speaker 1: mindset is separation. If these guys have a track record

721
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Speaker 1: of getting open, who cares if they're similar size? The

722
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: bottom line is we want guys that are gonna make

723
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Speaker 1: plays with the quarterback, not you've got a six four guy,

724
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: you got a five ten guy, and you got a

725
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: six ft guy. So we've got players from all different

726
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: walks of life. And then if two of the three

727
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: can't get open, what difference doesn't mean if you have

728
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: versatility and the receiving core, right, I'm with you. And

729
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: the other thing too that I didn't realize when we

730
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Speaker 1: had that conversation. Actually brought this up on on our

731
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Speaker 1: show earlier in the week when I was on with

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00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: with Figgles and it was a call or called up

733
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: and asked about it. He goes, it was funny, like

734
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Speaker 1: I was listening to your guys show about it when

735
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: they announced the trade, and I said, you know, I

736
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: went back and when I did the work, Tate actually

737
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: played outside more than he played inside for a year

738
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Speaker 1: or two in Detroit. When he was in Seattle, he

739
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: played outside more than inside. So he's more than just

740
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Speaker 1: a slot guy. And they look at Sheppard at a

741
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: lot more than just a slot guy too, So they're

742
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: gonna use both guys in Bolt and you're right, this

743
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: past season he was more in this slot your previous season. Yes,

744
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: he had been moved around, and once again, he's a

745
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: guy that continually gets separation, gets open and makes dynamic plays.

746
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Speaker 1: So Pat Shermer, if you look at his offense, you

747
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: know he believes that they can take advantage of the versatility.

748
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Speaker 1: And I mean even when Adam Feeling and Stefon Diggs

749
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: were in Minnesota, you know you could say, yes, they

750
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: were different style wide receivers, but they moved those guys

751
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: around with Kyle Rudolph with the running backs. So I

752
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: think the mindset is gonna be very similar here with

753
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: the Giants. Yeah, and Digs and theland are both very

754
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: similar when when it comes to being we're not talking

755
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: about one seven ft tall and the other guy is tiny,

756
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: very similar in terms of size. Scott and the Bronx,

757
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: So join us next. What's up Scott? Hey, good at

758
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: and gentlemen. I hope you hope your days gone well.

759
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Speaker 1: I got a little comments and a question. If I

760
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: can get it in quick, go ahead. First, my comments

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Speaker 1: on is Gilman's GM um. I think he's the no

762
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: nonsense GM the Giants were looking to bring back into

763
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: the NIX to build a team on the physicality. I

764
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: think giving him a rating, I would give him an

765
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: A minus on his left there's draft, but I would

766
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Speaker 1: give him a D plus on the free agent market.

767
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Speaker 1: It seems I felt you spent on that and the

768
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 1: quality really wasn't there in some place and really pan out. Well, well,

769
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Speaker 1: I'll say one thing about that real quick, Scott. We

770
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 1: all knew that they paid Nate Solder a ton of money,

771
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: But if they didn't pay Nate Solder a ton of money,

772
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: the left tackle spot would have been an albatross again

773
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: last year. So at least in terms of Solder. And

774
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 1: if you want to criticize the other guys who they

775
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: let go mid season, I get it, that's fine. I'm

776
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: you know, it's hard first to argue with with with

777
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 1: other guys, but I think Solder you had to just

778
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: because of the whole you were in on the offensive line. Well,

779
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: and now look how Trent Brown, by the way, has

780
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: now topped Soldiers deal, So you know you have to

781
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: take that into considerations. Got the market just continues to increase,

782
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: So if you push it back another year, you're then

783
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: eventually going to have to spend money, and then you

784
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: would have been calling up saying Trent Brown is not

785
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: worth that money just because he had one really good

786
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: season with New England. I buy that, and I'm a

787
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 1: green with both gentlemen on that and totally agree. I'm

788
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: talking about the other purchases. I'll put it that well,

789
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: that's fair, that's fair. That's there. The other thing I'm

790
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 1: looking at is now moving forward into the draft and

791
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: some potential free agents. I just wanna throw a couple

792
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: of scenarios out there. The Giant defense is traditionally that

793
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: their championship teams are built on tenacious defense, is a

794
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: tough quarterback and the people coach. I think part of

795
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: it's in play. The defense needs a major alcohol and

796
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: this is the year draft to do it. I think

797
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: the pick the first tooth draft picks should be in

798
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: solely on defense. The second round. I'm asking a questions

799
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 1: the second round pick. If Josh Roll Rosen is available

800
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: in a trade and they accept that, would you go

801
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: with that trade for the quarterback and the offensive line

802
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: which they'll need some work I believe, and even some

803
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: I call lunch pail lower levels of defensive players. The

804
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: gentleman to get his name from Boston College a defensive end,

805
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: z Allen. Yes, Yes, I think plays like that coming

806
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 1: into the nick should it material wise, we would really

807
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 1: I think turn the team around relatively quicker than people anticipate.

808
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: In the last time i'mould share about is I think

809
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,959
Speaker 1: Eli Manning it's a class act. I just think he

810
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: gets badgered on everything about following, you know, almost like

811
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: a Tom Brady falling off the cliff. He's passed his

812
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: time everything else. People don't realize that offensive line is key,

813
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: and the tight ends the key with the blocking and

814
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 1: keeping that scheme going. So again, I said a lot.

815
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: I'd like to get your comment in your opinion. Yeah, okay, um,

816
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: let me see if I touch everything real quick. Um.

817
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 1: We talked about the Eli million times. We won't comment

818
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: on that. In terms of Zach Allen, if you want him,

819
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to use a second round pick on him.

820
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to be sitting there for

821
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: your pick at the end of the third round. Yeah,

822
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: I'd be stunned if he falls. I mean, he's even

823
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: in the top fifty for profitable focus, so that would

824
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 1: be an unbelievable value selection if he gets He is

825
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: too good of a football player to to drop that far. Um. Well,

826
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: what else did he mean? Defense? He said to go

827
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: both picks in the first round, which I understand that

828
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 1: logic and I don't disagree, but you know, you can't

829
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: just go with the mindset. We can only go defense

830
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 1: in the first round. If a great player on offense, false,

831
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: he has seventeen and you went defense at six, can't

832
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: blame the team for going offense. It's seventeen, and I'll

833
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: tell you seventeens a spot in the middle of that

834
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: first round where you could catch one of the guys

835
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: that are dropping. All right, whether remember a couple of

836
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: years ago, I think the Reds Guns were picking around

837
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: fourteen to fifteenth and Jonathan Allen just fell into their

838
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: laps and they got him. Uh, Derwin James was a

839
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: little bit later than that, maybe if to check that,

840
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: but Derwin James is the guy that dropped and he

841
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: fell right into the Chargers laps and he turned out

842
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: to be one of the two or three best rookie

843
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: defense seven while he was seventeen. So there you go.

844
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: So I think it's seventeen. You sit there and yeah,

845
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: you have that idea. I think it could be a

846
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: sweet spot for an offensive tackle to what happens if

847
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: Joe Williams are Cody Ford sitting there and you want

848
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: to plug him at the right tackle, big bang, boom,

849
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: go right ahead. I'm down with that, But you know,

850
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: I think aheads good. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I I'm

851
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: here what you're saying, and I understand I'm just a

852
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: fan talking this way. Of course, what I'm looking at

853
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: the I'm looking at the fact here is that um Gellman.

854
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: And here's a perfect example. The Giants a traditional offensive

855
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: line lean work as a team. David Deal, I think

856
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 1: was a fifth round draft pick and he turned out

857
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: to be a major asset in that championship years. But

858
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: you know what, it's Scott. The only thing. It was

859
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 1: a lot easier to find offensive lineman back in two

860
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: thousand and four than in two thousand and nineteen. They

861
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: they just don't develop the way they used to in college.

862
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: You don't have the time, with your limited work in

863
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: the off season to develop them in the pros. That's

864
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: why offensive line is becoming a tackle specifically, are a

865
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 1: premium position in these drafts. It's very hard to get

866
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: good players later. It just doesn't work. Okay. In the

867
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: last piece, the quarterback would you trade for Josh Rodan

868
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: if it? I think, and thanks a lot for the call.

869
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: We appreciate it. I think Lance and I both like

870
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: the value for a second round pick based on where

871
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: he was supposed to go last year. Is that fair? Yeah?

872
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: I would agree. I think a second round pick if

873
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: that's all you have to give up for Josh Rosen

874
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: and conversation that I would certainly have. How about this?

875
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: What if you have to give up seventeen, but you're

876
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: getting the Cardinals third round pick, which would be the

877
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: first pick in the third round back, So you have

878
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: to give up now your first and your second. You're

879
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 1: talking about no, no no, the third back. I'm sorry, misunderstood.

880
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: What you're doing is giving up seven to seventeen, so

881
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: the second round pick stage. Yes, all you're doing is

882
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: giving up seventeen, but you're getting that pick at the

883
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: top of the third round back, which should be pick

884
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: sixty five. I don't know if I'd be so excited

885
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: to do that second round pick, I'd be much more

886
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: open in doing that. But you're getting the three back,

887
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 1: I know. But I I think the Giants, in my opinion,

888
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: could do a lot more damage with six and seventeen

889
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: having them this year and getting players that are going

890
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,760
Speaker 1: to play immediately, because even if you get Rosen, remember

891
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: Rosen is unlikely gonna jump past the line manning this season.

892
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: So you know they need to focus on to the

893
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: Cahler's point, and I agree with Scott's mindset, the defense

894
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: is still a big priority and a big void on

895
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: this team. Let's not dismiss that everybody is socused and

896
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: enamored with the quarterback, and I get that, and I

897
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: understand that's in a portant position. But this defense was

898
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: near the bottom of the rankings across the board over

899
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: the last few years, with the exception of sixteen. And

900
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: they don't have Vernon, they don't have Jpp. There a

901
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: lot of unproven pass rushers. They need to add depth

902
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: in that department. All right, what if they tell you, okay, fine,

903
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: we'll take two, but you have to give us your

904
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: worst pick in the fourth round, which is one you

905
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: got from the Saints, a hundred and thirty second overall,

906
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,439
Speaker 1: I would consider that I'd be more open to that

907
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: than parting ways with seventeen. All right, let's go to

908
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: our one more call before we get our guest, and

909
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: again we thank everybody for being with us today. Jimmy's

910
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: up in Rolls Hill. Another call from the Bronx. We

911
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 1: like it. What's up, Jimmy, How are you guys? I

912
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: enjoyed the interview with the guys from from TFF and

913
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: also interesting what he had to say about about Rose.

914
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: And have been calling on over the board on this

915
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: thinking that that's what we should do. And then you

916
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 1: listen to this guy and you say, maybe it's not

917
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: what we should do. Uh. And I go back to

918
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 1: where I was like from the very beginning of this

919
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: whole thing, and I agree with you Lance and and John.

920
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: When you look at this team, you know we've got

921
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: to get We've got to get players on the other

922
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: side of the ball, I mean increase. If you don't

923
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: stop people, you're just you know, you're just never going

924
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 1: to win. And in this league, the very same reason

925
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: people want quarterbacks is and and point to the success

926
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: of these quarterbacks is why you need guys that can

927
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: get after these quarters and going I would say, I

928
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: would say edge, uh. And and if the first two

929
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: picks for defense, I'm totally happy. I'll be I can

930
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: live with that. You're right, remember the most let me

931
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: ask you the question. I tweeted this to you and

932
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: it's I'm sure to get a lot of tweets. Um.

933
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm looking at this draft in the context

934
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: of I'm sure you can't draft of that, also taking

935
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 1: into consideration your current roster and what guys are coming back,

936
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: what do you expect from them, etcetera, etcetera. Kid McIntosh

937
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: was out all of last year. Were not year, but

938
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 1: obviously at a very very late start, and it's probably

939
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: tough to evaluate evaluate the season, but he did see

940
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: some playing time. There was some tape on this kid.

941
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 1: Is anybody talking about him? And where would he sit? Where?

942
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: Where does he fit in the in the Betcher scheme?

943
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: And I'll let you guys answer. I appreciate Jimmy, thank you.

944
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 1: I think he's a three technique, which is the position

945
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: you have b J. Hill att, So I think he'd

946
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: be part of your rotation. And it's funny, Lance, I

947
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: thought about this the other day. If there's one position

948
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: where you can really say, besides running back, where the

949
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: Giants don't need a lot of help, frankly, it's probably

950
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. But if you look at Dave Gutaman's draft history,

951
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: you know, he doesn't mind doing stacking at a position,

952
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: even if he has a lot of guys they're already

953
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 1: it's defensive tackle. Last year, nobody thought they needed a

954
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. They draft the two of them. They already

955
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: had Snacks and Dalvin Thomas, and they drafted two defensive tackles.

956
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: One year in Carolina year he drafted Kwan Short. He

957
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,720
Speaker 1: had back to back defensive tackles, and then he drafted

958
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: Butler to the following year. It would not surprise me

959
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: if he still looks to add depth at that position.

960
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: To your point, you've got Dalvin Tomlinson, You've got b J. Hill,

961
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,240
Speaker 1: and and b J Hill showed a knack for getting

962
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: after the quarterback. Let's not dismiss that. At five and

963
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: a half sacks last season, so showed some versatility. But

964
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 1: could they look to bring in somebody else who could

965
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,479
Speaker 1: play that position, who could play outside and inside, John

966
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: I wouldn't dismiss that. You know, Betcher, if he could

967
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: find ways to maximize the usage of these players and

968
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: move them around, they'll take advantage of somebody like that. So,

969
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: you know, that's always a part of the conversation. But

970
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: right now, if you just play the paper game. I

971
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,439
Speaker 1: think the Giants are in need of edge rusher much

972
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: more so than an interior guy, a guy that's gonna

973
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: set the edge in terms of helping to stop the

974
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: run and be aggressive enough to get after the cornerback,

975
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: because that's what they lost the most. Lens don't sleep

976
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: on corner man and now Dave Getlman never draft the

977
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: corner acts that high when he was in Carolina. It

978
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: just wasn't something that he did very often. But I

979
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: could if there If a cornerback isn't one of their

980
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: first four picks in this draft, which means either their

981
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: first second or um one of their first two first

982
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 1: round picks, their second round pick, or their third round pick,

983
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: if none of those are a cornerback, I'd be pretty

984
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: darn supper Well, I would be surprised. I think a lot,

985
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: though depends on their mindset about Sam Bild. You know

986
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 1: he's the mystery guy here. Jee you still need a

987
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:32,919
Speaker 1: third But they're upside regarding Sam Bill his health entering

988
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: it was a red shirt. They used the third round

989
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: pick on him. They gotta like him. Well, can he

990
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: get on the field this spring? Can he make enough

991
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: of an impact even before the draft that that at

992
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: least gives them some sense of security. That to me

993
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: is a big question. Well, I gotta imagine he should

994
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: be healthy at this point, but we'll see the players

995
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: get back. By the way, in April fifteenth, will have

996
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: covered with that on giants dot Com. Now let's get

997
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: to our final guests of the show. He covers the

998
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: Kentucky Wildcats. I know you're probably enjoying them in c

999
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: double A tournament, but we're talking football with Tom Leech.

1000
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: You know, is played by played for Kentucky Football. Tom,

1001
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: how's it going. You got John schmulcol Leans Meadow here

1002
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: in New York. What's up, guys. Good to be with you.

1003
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: I wish I was talking to you for Minneapolis. But

1004
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: such as life. Such is life, indeed, But a lot

1005
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: of good things going on with the Kentucky football program. Tom.

1006
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: And you know, a few years ago, we're not talking

1007
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: about any Kentucky proc you know, prospects coming out in

1008
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: the draft, But you guys got a handful this year

1009
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: and a likely top five pick in Josh Allen. We

1010
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: know what a great player he is. Is there anything

1011
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: a team should be concerned about with Josh Allen? Coming

1012
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: out or is he one of these guys where there

1013
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: are no you know, black marks and you just go

1014
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 1: all in and you're not worried about what you're getting.

1015
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 1: Nothing that I can think of, he's been. Um. He

1016
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 1: hasn't given him a minute of trouble here. Came in

1017
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:53,240
Speaker 1: with one other offer from Monmouth, the only other offer

1018
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: coming out of college, and Kentucky had a guy they

1019
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: lost late, and so they had Josh kind of on

1020
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 1: the back burner and they brought him down and offered him,

1021
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: and he uh immediately took the offer and he played

1022
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: because of where Kentucky's progam was the time he had

1023
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: to play as a freshman um when he wasn't ready.

1024
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: But as it turned out after this past season, you know,

1025
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: if he had had one more year left, he wouldn't

1026
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: have been he wouldn't have been in a position to

1027
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: use it at Kentucky. So he had a tremendous development.

1028
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: You know, a great work ethic, great kids, should be

1029
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: good in the community, all of those things. So h

1030
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: he's he's a dream and you know, really blossomed under

1031
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: Brad White, who was with the Colts and then came

1032
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: to Kentucky as an outside linebackers coach the last season,

1033
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: and really, uh, I think polished up a lot of

1034
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:46,399
Speaker 1: his skills so that the previous year he had had

1035
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: a nice year, but the production dropped off in the

1036
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: second half of the year when teams started the game

1037
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: plan for him. And this year, UM he was consistent

1038
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: from start to finish. Well, Tom, when you look at

1039
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: his sack numbers, clearly it jumps off the page. So

1040
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: that production, I don't think ebody has anything to question about.

1041
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: But considering you've seen his development, you've seen game in

1042
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: the game out, what about his ability to stop the run,

1043
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: his motors, some of those other things that don't necessarily

1044
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 1: appear in the box score. From a statistical standpoint, how

1045
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: would you assess his play there? You know, I'm not

1046
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 1: probably qualified enough to get too deep into that particular

1047
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: issue because his primary role was more of, you know,

1048
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 1: just as an endit rusher against Kentucky's certainly very strong

1049
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: and they moved him around to a lot of different

1050
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: places to take advantage they I will say, they never

1051
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 1: had to you know, they had a good defense last year.

1052
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: They never had to take him off the field for

1053
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 1: any run issues. UM never had to use anybody else

1054
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: he Um. The amazing thing about Josh, I know you

1055
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: asked about running support, and you know he's to sixty

1056
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: and uh and certainly very strong, so I would think

1057
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: he would be fine there. But there was a game,

1058
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: I know, down to Texas A and M their leading

1059
00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: receiver was there, tight end guy that had a good

1060
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: tight end speed and could get down guilty and Josh

1061
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 1: was covering him one on one out in space. And

1062
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: then there was another game where they were playing Vanderbilt,

1063
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 1: which had at that time the leading receiver in the conference,

1064
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,800
Speaker 1: and he was running a crossing route and ball gets

1065
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: deflected and uh and it turns out it was Josh

1066
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,720
Speaker 1: and deflected it. So UM, I think he is a

1067
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: guy with a lot of different skills. How did he

1068
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: make that jump from his junior to senior year when

1069
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: is you know, production just exploded? Was it a lot

1070
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 1: of weight room work? Was it you know, just said maturing.

1071
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: Was there something that kind of clicked for him that

1072
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: turned him from a good player certainly into maybe the

1073
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: best defensive player in the SEC. You know, I think

1074
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: it was probably a combination of two things. Certainly the

1075
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: just a continued weight room work, But I don't think

1076
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: there was anything dramatic, you know, any kind of dramatic

1077
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: epiphany there. He had always been, you know, good in

1078
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: the weight room. He just steadily got better. I think

1079
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: the addition of coach White helped him as far as

1080
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: his tech unique and getting better at that. And then, um,

1081
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: he had became a dad shortly after the previous season,

1082
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: and it was right about the time when he would

1083
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: be declaring, and I think, uh, he came back to Kentucky.

1084
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: He could have gone the previous year, would have been

1085
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,280
Speaker 1: probably a late round draft pick, but he came back

1086
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: because I think primarily he wanted to be there with

1087
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: his son the first year, and it turned out to be, uh,

1088
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: a tremendous payday for him. And I think through that

1089
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: gained even more maturity and maybe a little more focused

1090
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: and in terms of, you know, really maximizing his ability

1091
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: in his final year in Kentucky. So he was just

1092
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,439
Speaker 1: I think laser focused on uh, you know, all all

1093
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: the the instruction that Coach White, Coach Stoops gave him.

1094
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: He was just a sponge and taking it in to

1095
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: try to get better. Well, speaking of players that may

1096
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: be developed a little bit later on, we moved to

1097
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: the cornerback position, and Lonnie Johnson is somebody who transferred

1098
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: from community college tom and you know, you look at

1099
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: his numbers. The one thing that's not necessarily there is

1100
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 1: the opportunistic interceptions and so forth, which to me it

1101
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,760
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily always tell the whole story. But as somebody

1102
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 1: who has closely watched his development, are the interceptions not

1103
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 1: high with respect him because he wasn't targeted as much,

1104
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: or just the fact that he had opportunities and didn't

1105
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: come through with them. You know, I didn't see him

1106
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: miss a lot of opportunities. I can think of really

1107
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: only one where he had a chance at an interception

1108
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: and and just actually jumped a little too soon and

1109
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 1: missed it. But I can't remember opportunities that were missed.

1110
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: So I would assume that's probably, uh maybe a tribute

1111
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: to how well he covered his guy, that he didn't

1112
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: have as many opportunities. It's something, you know, I think

1113
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: if you're a a dB coach or something, you can

1114
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: uh look at the tape and and know how to

1115
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: answer your question, probably a lot better than I can.

1116
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, the average fan, I would look

1117
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: at you know, numbers and I think you know you

1118
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,879
Speaker 1: can get his first interception until the bowl game, and

1119
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: I think that's certainly a valid question. I'm probably not

1120
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,879
Speaker 1: qualified enough to give you the best answer on that,

1121
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: but I know the coaches. Mark Stuts coached BBS a

1122
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: lot through his time, and he was always very high

1123
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: on Lonnie from the beginning. And Lonnie had to come

1124
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: in and beat out a guy who had been a

1125
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,919
Speaker 1: starter as a freshman. So I think that speaks well

1126
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,399
Speaker 1: for you know, what his work ethic was to he's

1127
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:31,399
Speaker 1: six to two pounds. Uh. That tells me that he's

1128
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 1: a guy you're gonna want up with the line of scrimmage,

1129
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: being physical and battering people around and impress Man. Is

1130
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: that how Kentucky used him a lot? Or were they

1131
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: using him back in zone? No. I think they used

1132
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: him a lot that way that they were aggressive with

1133
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: their corners, um and in part because I think, you know,

1134
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: they had a guy that could get home on the

1135
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: on the pass rush, so they could afford to be

1136
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: a little more aggressive. UM. So yeah, I think they

1137
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,479
Speaker 1: probably played a good bit of hand and him Derek

1138
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 1: Beatty on the other side, Uh. Similar, I think Chris

1139
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 1: Westy's the guy who had the job as a freshman

1140
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 1: that Lonnie eventually beat out. But he was tremendous at

1141
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: the recent pro day that they had with here in

1142
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 1: Kentucky with his forty time and his vertical So I

1143
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: think he'll get a look probably as a free agent,

1144
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,720
Speaker 1: if not a very late draft pick, just off that

1145
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: pro day that he had. So Stoops courted those tall, long,

1146
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: uh his corners and really finally paid off for him

1147
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 1: this past season. Talk with Tom Leach, the radio play

1148
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 1: by play man for Kentucky Football, and they've got two

1149
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: safeties that are draft eligible. I want to start with

1150
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 1: Mike Edwards. Tom, and you know, you were talking about

1151
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,399
Speaker 1: how they utilized Lonnie Johnson. It seemed from what I've

1152
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: seen and from what I've read, Mike Edwards was the

1153
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: type of guy that they brought down. He played in

1154
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: the slot and they also moved him deep as a safety.

1155
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 1: From what you've seen, where is his strength as a

1156
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 1: player at the next level? You know, I would think, uh,

1157
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 1: maybe as a guy who's a you know, a covering

1158
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: the third receiver out of the slot, third or fourth receiver. Um.

1159
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: He was an outstanding safety for Kentucky, but because he

1160
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: had good cover skills when they wanted to go nickel

1161
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: or dime. Uh, they would put somebody else into his

1162
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: his safety slot and slide him down into the nickel position,

1163
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 1: covering the guy out of the slot. So he was

1164
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: really versatile for Kentucky, good and run support. U was

1165
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 1: a you know, a guy that you know, made plays,

1166
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 1: had some picks uh for some bumbles, good tackler. So

1167
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: it was around the ball a lot. Uh. He was

1168
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 1: a big key to the improvement of their defense in

1169
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. Fellow safety Dar I'm sorry,

1170
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 1: go ahead, Tom, I don't drop go ahead. I was

1171
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: I was gonna move on to Darius. Yeah. That he

1172
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: was is uh kind of safety mate that they came,

1173
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 1: came through the program together, played a lot together. Darius

1174
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: had one year that he missed with a knee injury,

1175
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 1: but I think he came back. I think his production

1176
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 1: probably this past year might have even exceeded the expectations

1177
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: of the coaches. I think he was really developed into

1178
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: a solid guy, uh for them in the back end.

1179
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: Didn't seem as far as I can tell, didn't seem

1180
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: to make any mistakes. They didn't get, you know, give

1181
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 1: up a lot of big, big, big plays back there

1182
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 1: that they had in the past. So I think he

1183
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: was just really solid with as far as his assignments.

1184
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: And for a guy that ruptured attendant. You mentioned that

1185
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: knee injury, then he runs a four three nine of

1186
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,320
Speaker 1: the combine. I think it speaks to how he was

1187
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 1: able to recover from an injury that that quite frankly

1188
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: ruins a lot of NFL careers. That was the injury

1189
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: that Victor Crue suffered. He was never the same. Yeah,

1190
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: And they have a really good strength and conditioning program

1191
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: here and these guys have really bought into it. And

1192
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: uh so they've they've really it's been a group that's

1193
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: really worked hard. And you know, they they came in

1194
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 1: at a time when Kentucky football was a long way

1195
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 1: from where it is out and they were the guys

1196
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: that brought into it. But he had's one thing to

1197
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 1: buy into the vision. Then you gotta put in the

1198
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: work to make the vision become a reality, and all

1199
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: of these guys um did that. I want to switch

1200
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 1: to the offensive side of the ball, and Benny Snell

1201
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: is their top running back who was a monster when

1202
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 1: it came to collecting touchdowns. As I'm sure you can

1203
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 1: attest to Tom and yards for that's a little bit

1204
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,439
Speaker 1: of everything. Actually, I believe he's the all time leading

1205
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:29,479
Speaker 1: rusher already for Kentucky if I'm correct. But there's maybe

1206
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: some questions about his elusiveness and his ability to maybe

1207
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: show that versatility outside of being that big bruiser back.

1208
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: How valid of a claim is that based on what

1209
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: you've seen out of his play. I can't understand the

1210
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: questions they didn't throw to him a lot. Uh. He

1211
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: doesn't have a great top end speed. But I think

1212
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 1: Benny's the kind of guy that is gonna be better.

1213
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna look a lot better to you when you

1214
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 1: have him in camp than you do and trying to

1215
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: evaluate him off a stop watch or you know, some

1216
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 1: other measurables at a at a combine or even on tape.

1217
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: He's a tremendous worker. Um. I think he would be

1218
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 1: a great you know starting out and you know it

1219
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 1: would be great on special team. Started out his career

1220
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: here on special teams. Um, you know, uh was not uh,

1221
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: you know, diva in any way in terms of the

1222
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: way he approached the job. I think his dad played

1223
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: professional football and so got his got him with the

1224
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: right mindset. Early, so, just a relentless worker, great teammate

1225
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: um and I think you know, I'm obviously hopeful, like

1226
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: Benny a lot that it's gonna he's gonna have a

1227
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 1: great career as a as a running back. I understand

1228
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: some of the questions that you raise. We'll just have

1229
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: to see how that turns out. But it's hard for

1230
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 1: me to imagine he's just one of those guys that

1231
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: you think of as a football player, like Randall cop

1232
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 1: the guy who came through here that had questions different

1233
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: maybe types of questions, but those of us who watched

1234
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: him and thought, that's just a football player. He's a

1235
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: guy you're gonna want on your team. And turned out

1236
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 1: that's worked out really well for the Packers, and I

1237
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: think now will for the Cowboys, and I think Benny's

1238
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: that same kind of guy that you're gonna be glad

1239
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 1: you have him on your team. Final question for Tom Leash,

1240
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: just played by play for Kentucky Football. How about the

1241
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: remaining guys. You got a bunch of strongs. You mentioned

1242
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 1: Derek Batty already, c J. Conrad the tight end, Jordan

1243
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: Jones the linebacker, any of those guys or maybe somewhere

1244
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 1: even missing Tom that you think people should be keeping

1245
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 1: their eyes on heading into the draft at the end

1246
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 1: of the month. Yeah, I think they've all got shot

1247
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 1: to get jobs in in the NFL. Uh cj was

1248
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: the guy that fans here were always frustrated that he

1249
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: didn't get the ball more. But um, he was a

1250
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: great blocker and they were so run successful in the

1251
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: run game and run heavy that they used him a

1252
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: lot as a blocker, and so they didn't throw to

1253
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 1: him as much, maybe as his fans would have liked.

1254
00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: But he was the guy who made some big catches,

1255
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: tough catches um in in tight windows. So I think

1256
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 1: he's got a great shot too, because he was embraced

1257
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: the physical part of it as well as the pass

1258
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 1: catching uh bunchie. You know, I'm not sophisticated enough in

1259
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 1: my knowledge to critique his works as an offensive lineman.

1260
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 1: I just know he really worked at it hard. And

1261
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: um was a guy who um didn't have any you know,

1262
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 1: issues with his his work, ethic, his leadership, any of

1263
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 1: those kinds of things. And then who was the other one,

1264
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: you men and Jordan's. Yeah, Jordan's is a guy that

1265
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 1: had tremendous has tremendous speed. Um. He you know, he

1266
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: had a couple of you know issues where he gets

1267
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: suspended there at the end of the year. I don't

1268
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: think it was anything uh major, but he is a

1269
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:52,919
Speaker 1: guy that was just his teammates loved him. I would

1270
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 1: say that even through the setbacks and he uh is

1271
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: a little on the small side, I would think to

1272
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: play a linebacker, but I could see him maybe getting

1273
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 1: I could see him being great and special teams and

1274
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 1: if he could find, you know, an additional role as

1275
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: you know, maybe uh, you know, an extra defensive back

1276
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 1: in some way, maybe as a linebacker if you could

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Speaker 1: bulk come up a little bit. But I would think

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Speaker 1: he could be tremendous in special teams. Tom, good stuff.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate the time today and best of luck heady

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Speaker 1: into next year. Thanks a lot, Tom, happy to do

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Speaker 1: it guys, Thank you. Tom Leach does play by played

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Speaker 1: for Kentucky Football, and now that will make one of

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Speaker 1: our more irritating Twitter followers are Buddy Mike Farmer and

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Speaker 1: his brother Nick Happy, who've been bugging me about Kentucky

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Speaker 1: prospects for the past four months. So we get off

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Speaker 1: my back, guys. Thank you. We just heard. Absolutely, We're

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Speaker 1: all laid out for you. Yes, by the way, one

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Speaker 1: tweet I want to read from Vic Fontane and this

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Speaker 1: is very true. And we'll give this warning to you

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Speaker 1: because we are officially three weeks by the way from

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Speaker 1: the NFL drafted is three weeks from today, so it

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Speaker 1: cannot well not for you for the next twenty one days.

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Speaker 1: We have now entered the official Pinocchio period. Believe no

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Speaker 1: general manager or coach and have a grain of salt

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Speaker 1: with the analysts of the world. Somebody should just tell

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Speaker 1: the truth and that would really throw everybody else off.

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Speaker 1: Well it's fair, Yeah, everybody plays games with each other.

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Speaker 1: I think that's been well documented. But I will say this,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's the obligation of any front office executive,

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Speaker 1: not just the giants of talking about the entire league,

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Speaker 1: to tell any fan, any remember the media, anybody who

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Speaker 1: consumes football exactly what their game plan is. And anybody

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Speaker 1: who thinks that, I don't think has been watching the

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Speaker 1: league long enough to understand that. Thank you, Mr Meadow,

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Speaker 1: you got it all right. Tomorrow it'll be Meadow and

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Speaker 1: Datina back with you on Big Blue Kickoff Live. Then

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Speaker 1: we're back next week with more shows as you break

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Speaker 1: down the nflod have. What what teams do you guys

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Speaker 1: have tomorrow? Remember I'm seeing is one of them, and

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Speaker 1: I think Wisconsin's number two. Actually you had a Wisconsin,

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Speaker 1: so be comesin and Wisconsin tomorrow. I think if the

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Speaker 1: Tina all the teams that have offensive and defensive line,

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Speaker 1: otherwise he would get mad at me. So enjoy that

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Speaker 1: tomorrow four Lance Meadow, I'm John Schmalk will catch you

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Speaker 1: next time on Big Blue Kickoff live on Giants dot

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Speaker 1: com tomorrow noon. And reminder, by the way, I almost

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Speaker 1: forgot to blow to other podcast Matt uh Are. We

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Speaker 1: have the second episode of the Giants Huddle podcast. Make

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Speaker 1: sure you check it out on giants dot com. Also

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Speaker 1: on all your favorite podcast platforms, whether it's tuned in Apple, podcast, uh,

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Speaker 1: Stitcher on on pretty much everything. Make sure you check

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Speaker 1: it out episode one. I had a chance to talk

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Speaker 1: to Peter Schrager. Episode two just launched this morning, and

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Speaker 1: that is a Paul Detino with a Monty tumor for

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Speaker 1: about a half hour, very very entertaining. Uh. We managed

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Speaker 1: to chain the money down so we didn't run away

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Speaker 1: from Paul. After about the first five to ten minutes

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Speaker 1: of the interview. But we got there and it was

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Speaker 1: it was really really interesting, guys. I've listened to a

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Speaker 1: two or three times going through it. It was a

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Speaker 1: lot of fun, a lot of good stories in there,

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Speaker 1: and good stuff from the money. So make sure you

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Speaker 1: check that out again. It's the Giants Huddle on giants

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Speaker 1: dot com and on your favorite podcast platforms. Of course,

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Speaker 1: you can also download Big Bill kick Off Live on

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Speaker 1: your favorite podcast platforms as well. For Lance Metto, I'm

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Speaker 1: johnsch Melco. Well see you next time. Everybody, have a

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Speaker 1: good one, have a go one.