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Speaker 2: The Bears have couped on the lay behind and they

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Speaker 3: What a fourth quarter, What a knife, what a trilogy?

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Speaker 3: The Bears and Packers just put together twenty one to

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Speaker 3: one to twenty seven. Bill Barnwell from ESPN with me

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Speaker 3: after an incredible Saturday of wild Yeah football. This is

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Speaker 3: It could change the shape of the entire Packers organization.

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Speaker 3: We'll find out about that. But what strikes you the

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Speaker 4: So much to talk about from that game, and I

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Speaker 4: that game deserves genuine analysis. Really, the thing that struck

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Speaker 4: that final drive they miss a Digity Moore drops what

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Speaker 4: And Greg, the fact that we've got to a point

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Speaker 3: To that point, right, right, So the offense collapses in

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Speaker 3: It's a fair point that the run game completely dried

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Speaker 4: I mean, Greg, they Jordan Love almost hit Christian Watson

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Speaker 3: And then Caleb Williams is yelling about afterwards, but he's big.

437
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 3: Lovelin might be the best rookie in the entire draft

438
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Speaker 3: class of anyone in the entire League's eight catches for

439
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty seven yards, and I just was expecting, Okay, Packers,

440
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 3: you know, with this lead, they go to Seattle, they

441
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 3: set up that matchup, and now instead it's it's Chicago

442
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Speaker 3: watching tomorrow and seeing who their opponent is gonna be

443
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:27,159
Speaker 3: and they're gonna have another home game. Like I don't know,

444
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,360
Speaker 3: I'm still I'm still like getting over how this game finished.

445
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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, Greg, it felt like maybe a

446
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 4: little one thing that might have swung this game, and

447
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 4: it's gonna haunt Packers fans for the entire offseason is

448
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 4: what if the Packers had a dude who could single

449
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 4: handedly win you a pass rusher too without having to

450
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,719
Speaker 4: Plin And that felt like, you know, there were a

451
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 4: lot of moments in this game where Kayla Williams had

452
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Speaker 4: a ton of time to throw. I have I'm trying

453
00:23:59,960 --> 00:24:03,360
Speaker 4: to find the numbers for time to throw for him,

454
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Speaker 4: but uh, you.

455
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Speaker 3: Know both were really three point one over three point

456
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Speaker 3: one seconds for each of them.

457
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Speaker 4: Yep, yeah, I mean, I just I have to imagine

458
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 4: it doesn't happen if if Micah Parsons is in there.

459
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 4: The Bears frankly did not have a great pass pro

460
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 4: game at all. On one of those fourth downs, they

461
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 4: just let I think it was Carl Brooks completely free

462
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 4: up the a gap to pressure Caleb Williams. Packers ran

463
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Speaker 4: a lot of twists in this game that I saw.

464
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Speaker 4: Have to imagine that that would be aided by adding

465
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Speaker 4: Micah Parsons into the mix. I mean, you know, is

466
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Speaker 4: it is it unfair to say that he wins them

467
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Speaker 4: this game? Yes, I don't think it's fair to say

468
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,479
Speaker 4: because there were other factors that play. But I if

469
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Speaker 4: I'm a Packers fan, I'm going to sleep tonight, I'm

470
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 4: going to sleep for the next six months wondering do

471
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 4: we win this game if Michael Parsons is in there?

472
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Speaker 4: Because it's it's absolutely a possibility.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you're not going to sleep. It's not happening.

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Speaker 3: This is the freaking disaster. I don't think. I don't

475
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Speaker 3: think could you know contextualizing properly that this is one

476
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Speaker 3: of the worst losses in Packers history. I mean, it

477
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 3: really is to be that. How could not be? How

478
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Speaker 3: could it business? It's the NFC Championship game against the Seahawk.

479
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 3: Nothing tops that. I mean, that was a that's a

480
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 3: that's a fifty nothing or whatever it was lead where

481
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Speaker 3: you blow an on SI kick in the NFC Championship game.

482
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Speaker 3: But this is to the Bears. It's a twenty one

483
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Speaker 3: to six fourth quarter lead. There's so many different moments

484
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Speaker 3: where you can put it away, and more than anything,

485
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Speaker 3: it's possibly the end of the map. Lafleur era like

486
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Speaker 3: you hope that cooler heads prevail. But if ever, there's

487
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Speaker 3: a game where there's going to be an emotional decision afterwards,

488
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Speaker 3: and I'm not sure if that decision is made by

489
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Speaker 3: Lafleur or or yeah it's made by you know, the

490
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 3: new president of the team, or like Guda Kunst is involved,

491
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Speaker 3: or how it's all happening, or if it's about money

492
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 3: or what it's about but if there's ever a scenario

493
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Speaker 3: that makes like a rash decision like that happen and

494
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Speaker 3: maybe something they would look back on as a mistake,

495
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 3: this is it. This is it because they gaged this

496
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Speaker 3: game away and it was just so many like familiar

497
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 3: hits of bad lafleur losses, unfortunately from over the years,

498
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Speaker 3: including the mys kicks unfortunately.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Greg, it's not just this game go back.

500
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Speaker 4: This is a month. I mean they lost to the Broncos.

501
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 4: They lost a game where if they beat the Bears

502
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Speaker 4: a couple of weeks ago, where they just have to

503
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Speaker 4: recover it on side kick to win probably win that game,

504
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 4: and of course they end up losing that game in overtime,

505
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 4: they get blown out by the Ravens where Derrek Henry

506
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Speaker 4: looks like he's an MVP candidate for a week, and

507
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 4: then they weren't trying against the Vikings. I'm not gonna

508
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Speaker 4: fault them too much were I'm going to fall clean

509
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Speaker 4: in tune mostly for that, but I mean they're nine

510
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 4: to three and one after that that interception by Keishaw

511
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 4: Nixon of Caleb Williams, and they lose their final five

512
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Speaker 4: games in the season. I would say It's the combo

513
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Speaker 4: of not only how they lost in the postseason, but

514
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Speaker 4: the fact that they couldn't find a victory and really

515
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 4: blew the NFC North with a big advantage over the

516
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Speaker 4: over the Bears, with or certainly in pole position to

517
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 4: top the Bears if they had swept Chicago. It feels

518
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 4: like a missed opportunity. And this is a team now

519
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 4: where three years in a row they've been the seventh seed.

520
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 4: I feel confident we're not thinking about this team the

521
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 4: same way if we're in the twelve team playoff era.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's you know, it's not like being the

523
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Speaker 4: seventh seed is good. It's better than not being in

524
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Speaker 4: the eighth. It's better than being the eighth seed. But

525
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 4: it's not like, you know, sneaking into the postseason as

526
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Speaker 4: the final seed is like a sign that you're, you know,

527
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 4: one of the great teams in football. I know the

528
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 4: numbers said the Packers are better than their record, but

529
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Speaker 4: this has been a consistent thing for them where it

530
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Speaker 4: feels like we're sitting here at the end of the

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Speaker 4: year and saying, well, they're DVOA is good. ESPN's power

532
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,479
Speaker 4: and Nick says they're good. But it doesn't look all

533
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Speaker 4: that great when we get to January.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm seeing a comment here in the chat

535
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 3: that say Packers lost this game, Bears didn't win it.

536
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 3: Let's be honest, and to that, I point to that

537
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 3: fourth and eight play, and I point to another whole

538
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 3: shot toon Colston Lovelin. After that, there were there were

539
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 3: so many jaw dropping throws by Kayleb Williams, even like

540
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Speaker 3: before they were really making the comeback. And the thing

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Speaker 3: about Caleb Williams is like the play before that, he

542
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 3: was just a little inaccurate and he missed the third

543
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 3: down throw, and then the play after that he had

544
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 3: an open receiver and missed that throw too, And he

545
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 3: ends up throwing fifty percent completion in this game, you know,

546
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Speaker 3: and he was dead last in the league and completion percentage.

547
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,719
Speaker 3: And the more that you watch them this year, the

548
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 3: more you realize, like, for now, that's just part of

549
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 3: the package, and the good is making up. Yeah, for

550
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 3: any of the inconsistency, and for such a young player,

551
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 3: you really feel like you can improve on that consistency

552
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 3: and you're having a hell of a lot of fun

553
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Speaker 3: along the.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, he had a negative fifteen percent completetion

555
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 4: percentage over our expectation in this game and still made

556
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Speaker 4: at least two three four. I'm just thinking of like

557
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 4: great Caleb throws in my head, just fantastic throws in

558
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 4: this game, one of which wasn't caught, so I don't

559
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 4: blame him for that, but you know, like I think

560
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 4: it's just you have to accept that flawed and all.

561
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 4: This is what the Bears can do. They can look

562
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Speaker 4: totally hopeless on offense for a half. They can look

563
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 4: like they can't cover anybody on defense. They can look

564
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Speaker 4: like they're gonna miss wide open receivers, they're gonna be

565
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 4: screaming at each other on the sideline. But they also

566
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Speaker 4: have the potential to be great, and they can be

567
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 4: great for a or a half or even a few series,

568
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 4: and that might be enough if the other team lets

569
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Speaker 4: them hang around long enough to pull that off.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they can have four fourth down fails in

571
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 3: a game where they can't get many stops. They can

572
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 3: have a total of two successful runs in the first half.

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Speaker 3: You know, if you're talking about like success rate, they

574
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 3: can have Ben Johnson on the sideline looking like, yeah,

575
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 3: his dog had died or something like that. And pre

576
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Speaker 3: answering questions as you mentioned, like about the fourth down

577
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 3: plays and almost just like defending it. And then they

578
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Speaker 3: turn it all around. They are different and they are

579
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Speaker 3: going to the divisional around. What what a season? This

580
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 3: is it for the Bears. Like I've had a hard

581
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Speaker 3: time imagining them making it all the way to the

582
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 3: super Bowl because of this lack of a pass rush,

583
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Speaker 3: because of this defense. And you know, tonight they lose TJ.

584
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 3: Edwards there, their linebacker. It's still hard to see them

585
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Speaker 3: winning like two more. But who knows. They found a

586
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Speaker 3: way to win this one. We'll find out their opponent

587
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 3: on Sunday. Before we get to Sunday, though, we had

588
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 3: another classic earlier in the day on Saturday. Yes, there's

589
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 3: been a total of three playoff games in the history

590
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Speaker 3: of the NFL. This one was from Brian Knowles, who

591
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 3: we used to work with over at Football Outsiders, who

592
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 3: pointed out there's only been three games ever where there's

593
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 3: been four fourth quarter lead changes with touchdowns in the playoffs.

594
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 3: It was that great forty nine er Saints Divisional round

595
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 3: matchup between Alex Smith and Drew Brees. It was the

596
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 3: great AFC Championship between Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady and

597
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 3: let's go to Carolina, where, Yes, Matthew Stafford and Rice

598
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Speaker 3: Young gave us a classic.

599
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Speaker 7: From the nineteen Stafford has a helmet, high settles his peak,

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Speaker 7: shoots right side, leaping catch touchdown Wow at the front

601
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Speaker 7: right pylon. Colby Parkinson gives the Rams the lead with

602
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Speaker 7: thirty eight seconds to go, and absolute dot from Stafford.

603
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 7: Thirty three thirty one and the try coming.

604
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 3: Our friend JB. Long excited for an absolutely fantastic throw,

605
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 3: fantastic drive, fantastic fourth order by Matthew Stafford in what

606
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 3: was otherwise an uneven game for this entire Los Angeles

607
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 3: Rams team, including Stafford. Yes that was Coley Parkinson, it

608
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 3: was JB. Long on KSPN. The Rams defense holds gets

609
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 3: a four and out on Bryce Young to win thirty

610
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Speaker 3: four to thirty one. Back in fourth we went Bill

611
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Speaker 3: Barnwell in a game that a lot of us thought

612
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Speaker 3: it was going to be a blowout, Like myself, I

613
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Speaker 3: was wrong.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

615
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Speaker 3: We really thought it when it was fourteen to nothing early.

616
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Speaker 3: We probably thought it when it was seventeen seven and

617
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 3: it looked like the Rams were driving in for another

618
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 3: score right before halftime. But this Panthers team, There's just

619
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Speaker 3: something about them that is inexplicable, and they were that

620
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Speaker 3: close to knocking off one of the best teams in

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Speaker 3: the NFL today.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we got a Bryce Young drive to take

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Speaker 4: the lead. I mean it was like, I don't like

624
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Speaker 4: you know they like you mentioned the four and out

625
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 4: to end the game. That was gonna be a tough spot.

626
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 4: They didn't have a drop on that fourth down that

627
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 4: would have extended the game from Horn. But I was

628
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 4: so impressed without Bryce Young played in this game. This

629
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Speaker 4: was not a great matchup for the Rams on defense

630
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 4: or on up. I'm sorry, great batch up for the

631
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Speaker 4: Panthers on offense. Given the Rams front, they were in

632
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Speaker 4: Bryce Young's face all day. I mean, he just was

633
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 4: getting hit, he was being forced to scramble, he was

634
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 4: being forced to create out of structure, and did throw

635
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 4: an interception. I don't think that was his father. I

636
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 4: think it was Jalen Kocher. I believe stopped on a

637
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 4: route where Bryshelm was expecting him to keep running. But

638
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 4: I thought, if you're a Panthers fan, I know you're upset.

639
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 4: You're gonna be bummed that you lost. This was a

640
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 4: winnable game. They played really well. But I think you

641
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 4: have to be impressed with Bryschhaun in this game, and

642
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 4: I think you have to be optimistic about Bryshaun in

643
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 4: this game. He was just making plays, extending plays, accurate throws,

644
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 4: like you know. It felt like this was the closest

645
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 4: thing in a big game that I think we've seen

646
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Speaker 4: to Alabama Bryce Young in terms of the improvisation, in

647
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Speaker 4: terms of the creativity, and I mean we're one where

648
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 4: you can move from frankly a pretty bad Bryce Young

649
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 4: game against Tampa for most of the day. So I

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Speaker 4: think seeing that against the Rams team where they were

651
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Speaker 4: being physically dominated up front, just felt like it has

652
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 4: to make you feel good.

653
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 3: It does. And yeah, you mentioned the Rams front winning

654
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 3: and I think that was the biggest difference in this game.

655
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 3: Pressure rate, It really depends on where you look, but

656
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 3: Sumer Sports, which has a great kind of live box

657
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 3: score going in this postseason, had the Rams pressure rate

658
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 3: at forty seven percent in this game and the Panthers

659
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 3: down at nine percent. And I think they're valuing quicker

660
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 3: pressures much more because next Gen has it, you know,

661
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 3: still double for the Rams twenty three, but The thing

662
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 3: is next Gen does like proximity, and you could be

663
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 3: like somewhat close pretty late in the down. The thing

664
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 3: that is telling most to me is even at next

665
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 3: Gen fourteen quick pressures for the Rams in this game

666
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 3: and two for the Panthers, and so Matthew Stafford was

667
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 3: operating in a much more advantageous situation. And the idea

668
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 3: with Matthew Stafford is when he's clean, he's going to

669
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 3: kill you. And he did early in this game, and

670
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 3: he absolutely did late in this game. And there was

671
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 3: a whole bunch in the middle where maybe it was

672
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 3: this finger injury that he suffered, and you know, maybe

673
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 3: it was just decision making. It was a little bit

674
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 3: of everything. To me, it was more of the decisions.

675
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 3: But ultimately he goes twelve or fifteen in the fourth

676
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 3: quarter with a you know, over one hundred yards and

677
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 3: a couple touchdown drives, and supposedly before that fourth quarter drive,

678
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 3: he gets the ball back, you know, down four, and

679
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 3: DeVante Adams, as he tells the story, says, let's go

680
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 3: snatch those guys' hearts, and DeVante Adams says, that's one

681
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 3: of the most gangster things I've heard. Let's actually listen

682
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 3: to Kobe Turner, friend of the show, talking after the

683
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 3: game about Stafford.

684
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean nine has been in these situations all

685
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 5: the time, so I'm used to it. Honestly, I was

686
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 5: just selling somebody else. I was just selling Gary. I

687
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 5: looked up at the clock. It said two thirty four

688
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 5: with three timeouts luff. My first thought is, do you

689
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 5: not know who's on the other side, Like, do you

690
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 5: guys not know who nine is? Like? Nine? Is that guy?

691
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 3: Nine?

692
00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 4: Is that guy?

693
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 3: He has to fixing nine? He's saving this nine.

694
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 4: No, you cannot call someone nine in this culture right now.

695
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 4: You have to wait let J. J. McCarthy pass by,

696
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 4: and then you can start using nine again.

697
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 3: He's the he's if you're the first team All Pro.

698
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 3: And Stafford did get First Team All Pro thirteen more

699
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 3: votes than May very similar to the Lamar Jackson Josh

700
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 3: Allen vote a year ago. So you can't really say

701
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 3: that Stafford's definitely gonna win MVP. We don't know. I

702
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,439
Speaker 3: think he's taken back nine Bill like it's his now

703
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 3: you do what he did in the fourth quarter because

704
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 3: they I was not expecting this situation, but there they

705
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 3: were in this situation. And the offense, and this team

706
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 3: has to be led by the offense. Ultimately did respond

707
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,959
Speaker 3: and they they picked on the Panthers in the middle

708
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 3: of the field. They took advantage in the fact that

709
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 3: jac Horn went out with a concussion in the fourth

710
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 3: quarter of this game, and they diced up Carolina when

711
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 3: they needed to.

712
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean breaking routes twenty six of Matthew Stafford's

713
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 4: three hundred and four yards. Everything else was either vertical

714
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 4: or in breaking from Matthew Stafford. That's how the Rams

715
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 4: got back on this game was finding those digs, finding

716
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 4: the play action shots, finding you know, some of the

717
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 4: option routes where they hit Karen Williams for a touchdown

718
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 4: coming out of the backfield. I have to be honest

719
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 4: with you, though, Greg, like I was not super impressed

720
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 4: with Sean mcvagh in this game. It really felt like

721
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 4: for a long stretch, the Rams did not have answers

722
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 4: for what the Panthers wanted to do. It felt like

723
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 4: Matthew Stafford was throwing a ton to the sidelines. It

724
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 4: felt like after they went through their first fifteen where

725
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 4: they had some fun stuff like the Pukinikua vertical shot

726
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 4: out of the backfield for a touchdown. It felt like

727
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 4: showy Fay got away from running the football. It felt

728
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 4: like it was a lot of shotgun tossing the ball around,

729
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 4: and if you did believe Stafford's finger was injured, it

730
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 4: seemed like you would have leaned further into the And

731
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 4: the Rams were pretty successful running the ball in this game,

732
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 4: a fifty percent success rate for the run game that

733
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 4: has one of the highest success rates in recent NFL

734
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 4: history this season, and yet really felt like for a

735
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 4: long stretch it was just We're going to put Matthew

736
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 4: Stafford in shotgun and throw the ball and it wasn't working.

737
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 4: And it's fine that they found solutions later in the game. Obviously,

738
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 4: Sean mcpaye is a Hall of Fame caliber coach for

739
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 4: a reason. But this is not the first time I

740
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 4: go back to the Super Bowl run. I mean, they

741
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 4: almost lost that game against the Bucks because they wouldn't

742
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 4: they just kept handing the ball to cam Akers. They

743
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 4: almost lost the Super Bowl to the Bengals because they

744
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 4: were insisting on committing to a bad run game at

745
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 4: that time. And so you know, with the Rams they

746
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 4: did win. Our memories are going to be Stafford's final

747
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 4: drive and the quote from DEVIANTA. Adams, which, by the way,

748
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 4: do you want to waste that on the first round?

749
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 4: But do you think Stafford had that in line for

750
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 4: like a super Bowl quote and was like, well, we've

751
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 4: got toss to that now. I got to think of

752
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 4: something more clever for the Super Bowl. But you know,

753
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 4: this is a Rams team where the results have been

754
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 4: kind of disappointing for a month and now are do

755
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 4: you feel like there's a reason to sort of treat

756
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 4: them as something less than what we think they can

757
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 4: be based on how they've played recently.

758
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Speaker 3: I have thought a lot about that since the end

759
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:25,879
Speaker 3: of this game, Like how much do you take basically

760
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 3: everything from when the fourth quarter started in Seattle to

761
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 3: now and think that carries forward and knock the Rams

762
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 3: and their chances to win the Super Bowl because they've

763
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 3: they've looked mediocre since then. You know, they blow that

764
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 3: lead in Seattle. They had no business blowing that game.

765
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 3: I know it was against a good team, but the

766
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 3: way they blew it, they did not play well. They

767
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 3: lose the Falcons game in a game they're pretty outplayed.

768
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 3: When I finally got back to watching that Cardinals game

769
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 3: this week, I was like, man, they were losing like

770
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 3: two minutes left in the third quarter of that game

771
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 3: against the Cardinals team that has just been absolutely collapsing,

772
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 3: and then you have this perform where it goes back

773
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 3: and forth, and I tend to think, Bill, it doesn't matter.

774
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 3: I know, like really, I actually don't feel I tend

775
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 3: to think in the playoffs like it's survive in advance.

776
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 3: They have all the pieces that matter that Like, I

777
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 3: don't think it necessarily is going to carry over week

778
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 3: to week. Like you think about that Bucks game that

779
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 3: they that they almost lost when they when they did

780
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 3: go on that Super Bowl run. Like the team overall

781
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 3: is not like playing at the highest level of where

782
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 3: they've been this season, certainly, but they're gonna be in

783
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 3: the final eight. And would it surprised me if they

784
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 3: just start playing better football consistently from here out, Like,

785
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 3: it wouldn't surprise me at all, because for the most part,

786
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 3: like they're healthy and there are reasons to believe that

787
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 3: they can turn around. It was not a good DeVante

788
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 3: Adams game today, Like maybe that helps with him another

789
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 3: week back into the lineup after being out for five weeks.

790
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 3: Maybe they get Kevin Dotson back, but yeah, like I

791
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 3: think they can still straighten it out. But they survived

792
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 3: one today.

793
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 4: Here's the part that concerns me though, if this has

794
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,919
Speaker 4: been like a Panthers have everything go right for them game,

795
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 4: if it had been like a you know, Panthers are

796
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 4: like the first game, Panthers go four three for three

797
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 4: and fourth down, I hit a couple of long touchdowns,

798
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 4: they win the turnover battle. That was not this game, right,

799
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 4: The Panthers headed them three short fields, one on a

800
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 4: muffed bunt, yeah, one on and then two on failed

801
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 4: fourth down tries. The Panthers do turn the ball over

802
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 4: for an interception.

803
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 3: They lost their left tackle almost immediately in the game

804
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 3: the pay.

805
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 4: They lost Ikwanu early on to its apparently as a

806
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 4: serious injury. Unfortunately, then the Gordiosh Steamon who has allowed

807
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 4: and he handlowed as many quick pressures for next Gen

808
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 4: in two starts as Garrett Bulls did all seasons for

809
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 4: the Broncos, and he allowed four more in this game

810
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 4: at left tackle. I mean, they brought Robert Hunt back

811
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 4: and they had to take him out for a stretch

812
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 4: because he was just getting run over. Like it was

813
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 4: a like you mentioned the pressure numbers earlier in this game.

814
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 4: Like the fact that the Rams could not turn this

815
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 4: game script and the things that happened into this game

816
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 4: into a twenty point victory does concern me a bit.

817
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 4: And like, I know they're capable of hitting a gear

818
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 4: that maybe nobody else can football and football can hit,

819
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 4: but I want to see him do it. I want

820
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 4: to see him do it for the first time since Thanksgiving.

821
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 4: I want to see him do it for an extended

822
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 4: period of time, for a full game like this was

823
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 4: supposed to be a we're going to dictate the situation.

824
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 4: We're going to tell you who we are. We're favorites,

825
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 4: We're going to get revenge on the twenty fifth best

826
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 4: team in football per Dvoa, and the Panthers played them

827
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 4: to a three point game, and it felt like they

828
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 4: deserved to be in a three point game at the

829
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Speaker 4: very end.

830
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that it's a great point that it did not

831
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 3: feel like the fans were lucky to be in this game.

832
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 3: If you took the uniforms off, you would have just said, like, oh,

833
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 3: these are two pretty equal teams. These are two quarterbacks

834
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 3: playing at a pretty high level. Like but that made

835
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 3: a handful of mistakes each throughout the game and went

836
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 3: through little rough patches, but like the quarterbacks were kind

837
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,240
Speaker 3: of even, you know, you could you could almost give Bryce,

838
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 3: you know, a lot of credit because he withstood the advantages.

839
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 3: That part of it is concerning, and I do kind

840
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 3: of want going to one run through a little bit

841
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 3: of the run of play, because if you go back

842
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 3: to the first half, and you know, they get that

843
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:43,720
Speaker 3: fourteen nothing lead, they go for it on a fourth

844
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 3: down late in the in the second quarter, they don't

845
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 3: get it, and then Bryce Young drives down the field

846
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 3: gets a scramble touchdown before halftime like that that makes

847
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 3: it a game at that point, and then you're just

848
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 3: in it. And then if you're if you're watching us

849
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:04,280
Speaker 3: on YouTube, you can watch the interception that Matthew Stafford

850
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 3: had where Mike Jackson picks him off. And at this point,

851
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 3: it's twenty seventeen, it's a third and long late in

852
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 3: the third quarter. That was the first moment where I thought,

853
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 3: my god, they actually might lose this game. Mike Jackson,

854
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 3: Bill Barnwell played the game of his life. He's had

855
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 3: a really good season for them, like in terms of

856
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 3: advanced you know, metrics, like he's been one of the

857
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 3: better cornerbacks in the league, and both him and J. C.

858
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 3: Horton played an outstanding game, and that was kind of

859
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 3: the moment that got the Panthers going for their fourth

860
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 3: quarter come back, and that was like kind of kickstarted

861
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 3: what was a really fun end to this game and

862
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 3: made me realize like, Okay, they actually could win this game,

863
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 3: when throughout before that I just kept expecting the Rams

864
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 3: to kind of run away with it.

865
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Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, if the Rams hit that fourth down,

866
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 4: you sort of figure, Okay, they're going to go in

867
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 4: and score. The Panthers are not going to score, and

868
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 4: that's going to be like a perhaps an unassailable lead

869
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 4: for the Rams in this game. And yet the Panthers

870
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 4: didn't really even seem desperate to try to score. When

871
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 4: they got the ball back at the end of the

872
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 4: second quarter, they sort of like hit a couple big

873
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 4: plays and it was like, oh, well, I guess we'll

874
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 4: try and then the score a touchdown and then Puka

875
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 4: Akua drops which should have been a fifty yard touchdown,

876
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 4: hit him right in the hands.

877
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 3: Which is why I kind of struggle with the Stafford

878
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 3: finger thing, because Stafford actually had a number of dimes

879
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 3: throughout that he actually had a two for twelve streak

880
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 3: during the game where he completed two of twelve throws.

881
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 3: But DeVante Adams had two killer drops in this game

882
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 3: and Puka had that one. And if, like, if you

883
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 3: gave him those yards, he thrust for four hundred and

884
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 3: fifty yards or something in this game. So I don't

885
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 3: it's kind of hard to separate if there was an injury,

886
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 3: like what impact that was, right.

887
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 4: And I mean, like, I think sometimes when we think

888
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 4: about a quarterback being injured less than one hundred percent,

889
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 4: we assume that, like every pass is gonna suck. And

890
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 4: sometimes that is the case if you like a you know,

891
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 4: a certain kind of injury. But quarterbacks can also be inconsistent.

892
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 4: They could feel it some plays and not feel it

893
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 4: some plays. You know, they might if you have an

894
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 4: ankle injury, maybe you step into a throw right, maybe

895
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 4: you don't step into the next door right like it is.

896
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,720
Speaker 4: There's a certain level of erraticism that I think comes

897
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 4: into play with these injuries. And so if you told

898
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:26,240
Speaker 4: me Stafford was sore but not really impacted, I believe

899
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 4: that he told me Stafford was injured and it was

900
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 4: actually impacting his throws, but not everyone. I believe that too.

901
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:34,280
Speaker 4: I just you know, it felt like he wasn't confident

902
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 4: for that stretch, and I was a little surprised the

903
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 4: Rams did not respond to that by maybe leaning a

904
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 4: little more into their run game.

905
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, the run game was quiet, It wasn't ineffective, but

906
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 3: you're right, they did kind of go away from it.

907
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 3: So the Panthers, you know, respond and get a touchdown,

908
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 3: you know, to take their first lead of the entire game.

909
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 3: After that interception, then the Rams are driving and a

910
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 3: play happened, and that I think's going to be remembered

911
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 3: throughout the week as like the biggest non scoring play

912
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 3: of the game, which was Pooka Nakua breaking up a

913
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 3: potential interception of Stafford. It was the ensuing drive. It's

914
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 3: a third and one and they decide to take a

915
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 3: shot and I think he thinks Pokinaku is gonna keep running.

916
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 3: On the play, Nick Scott has a chance to make

917
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 3: an interception in the end zone and Puka basically acts

918
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 3: like a defensive back and knocks the ball out. That

919
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 3: is when they are down four, and then they end

920
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 3: up scoring later in that drive, and so Puka Akua

921
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 3: who goes over you know, one hundred yards has ten catches.

922
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 3: Between Puka and DeVante, they had thirty one targets. It

923
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 3: was just spamming the two of them. Puka also had

924
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 3: three carries. I mean they did that end a round

925
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 3: play that they absolutely love, like over and over. But

926
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 3: you know, they threw the ball to him eighteen times

927
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 3: today to get that the one hundred and eleven yards.

928
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 3: But that pass breakup might have been like the biggest

929
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 3: play that he made though.

930
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Xavior Smith to two out well kind

931
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 4: of umfield cardio club forty two routes one target between

932
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 4: the three of them at wide receiver. I was a

933
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 4: little surprised. I know our friend Mina Kimes also was

934
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 4: a little surprised that they did not lean into the

935
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 4: tight ends.

936
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, in this game.

937
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 4: You know, they didn't have Terrence Ferguson's maybe that impacted

938
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 4: things here and there, but they had Tyler Hitbee, had

939
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 4: Kobe Parkinson, had Davis Allen. The Panthers have been terrible

940
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:32,879
Speaker 4: on throws tight ends.

941
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: This year.

942
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 4: We saw as the gamer on they wanted to attack

943
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 4: Christian rose Boom wanted to attack, Nick Scott wanted to

944
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 4: attack the linebackers, and yet didn't really do that for

945
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 4: much of this game until, of course, the game winning

946
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 4: touchdown pass from Stafford to Kobe Parkinson. And so I

947
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 4: understand wanting to force feed Puka Nakua and DeVante Adams.

948
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 4: I think Puka made a great play to break up

949
00:49:56,200 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 4: that touchdown. But again, I just I sit here and say,

950
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 4: this is Week nineteen of the NFL season. You are

951
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 4: a veteran offense operating at a high level with the

952
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 4: probable MVP at quarterback, a Hall of Fame coach, a

953
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame wide receiver, a wide receiver who's the

954
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 4: broader an offensive player of the year. It shouldn't look

955
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 4: this disjointed, not against the Panthers defense. You should have

956
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 4: answers that are not you know, low percentage curls and

957
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,720
Speaker 4: out routes that aren't working against the strength of the team.

958
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 4: And it just felt like the Panthers made it more

959
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 4: difficult for those The Rams made it more difficult for themselves.

960
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 4: Just sort of thought they were going to dominate with

961
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:39,240
Speaker 4: their talent, and it almost cost them their playoff lives.

962
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, they they end up. You know, when I looked

963
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 3: at the final numbers, it wasn't a ton in the

964
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 3: first half in terms of going two tight end or

965
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 3: three tight end. But now when I look like they

966
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,399
Speaker 3: still you know, went either two or three tight end

967
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,959
Speaker 3: over forty percent of the time, which is a ton,

968
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 3: and pretty much went at their season average in terms

969
00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 3: of three tight ends, which was you know, by far

970
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 3: the most of any team in NFL history. It just

971
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 3: didn't work very well. I mean, they average under four

972
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 3: yards per play with three tight ends on the field

973
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 3: under five yards per play with two tight ends, So

974
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 3: you know, it was a lot of the numbers are

975
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 3: coming in those last two drives where they kind of

976
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 3: finally figured out, and that was mostly with three wide receivers,

977
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 3: And it's really just the offense wasn't, you know, consistent

978
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 3: in general. I do want to give them some credit

979
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 3: of like the things you know that they did do well.

980
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 3: Like Stafford, I thought his decision making was a little

981
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 3: all over the place, but he also did some things

982
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 3: that not many like quarterbacks would would do. He had

983
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 3: an audible on a fourth and one to a Kira

984
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,720
Speaker 3: and Williams run, which was like the exact perfect play

985
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 3: call in the in the time. He had a sneak

986
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 3: by himself, which was literally the first one of the season, right, his.

987
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 4: First first down of the the entire season. Matthew Stafford

988
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 4: as a runner, He's now forty behind Drake May if

989
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 4: he wants to try and catch up.

990
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 3: I like what you did time. And then there was

991
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 3: another third and long on one of their field goal

992
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 3: drives in the in the second half, where you know

993
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,439
Speaker 3: he sees exactly where the blitz is gonna come from,

994
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 3: he moves everything over to the side, they get it

995
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 3: blocked up, he hits it, and they hit a field

996
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 3: goal later in that drive. So sometimes it's the small

997
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 3: things that he does is really good. And yet you know,

998
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 3: they got the ball back with four minutes to go,

999
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,839
Speaker 3: and sometimes you don't need the game winning drive if

1000
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 3: if you just finish it off earlier. They get it

1001
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 3: with about seven minutes left, up three, and I think

1002
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 3: they're gonna put the game away here, and they take

1003
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 3: a holding penalty and they end up settling for a

1004
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 3: couple underneath passes and they punt the ball away, or

1005
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 3: at least they try to. This is where the game

1006
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 3: got really crazy. Let's actually listen to the pan. There's

1007
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 3: block punt short and.

1008
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 4: How to check that ball out, Edams gets the study.

1009
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 6: Go Dad, the kick is block.

1010
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 3: It's lunch, it's.

1011
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,359
Speaker 1: On the ground. It doesn't matter who has it. It's

1012
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:16,720
Speaker 1: Carolina football. At the thirty yard line of the way.

1013
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 2: I Sayah Simmons with the block, Hey recovers the ball.

1014
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 1: Special teams comes.

1015
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 3: Through, so they get that punt block. They drive down.

1016
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 3: That's with just over four minutes to go, and Bryce

1017
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 3: Young is set up on a fourth down situation and

1018
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 3: he does what Bryce Young does and has done really

1019
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 3: the last two seasons. If you've watched him every game,

1020
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 3: you know, the prettiest Bryce Young throws are extremely pretty.

1021
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 3: He does the hard stuff really well. Let's actually listen

1022
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 3: to the go ahead touchdown pass to Jalen Cocher.

1023
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: Young out of the gun.

1024
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 4: Here's the snap.

1025
00:53:56,520 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 3: Bryce looking left throws deep left, counter the side, Jaylan

1026
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 3: Choker pulsed in bill touchdown.

1027
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 4: How the Panthers have played what two thirty nine to go,

1028
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,439
Speaker 4: Price's magic Israel half.

1029
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: Cocher has played the game of his whate.

1030
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 3: Really great Cooper there. Coker goes over one hundred yards.

1031
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 3: By the way, I wanted to correct my mistake. That

1032
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 3: was a third and three. I think in my head.

1033
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 3: It was a fourth down because they're down three, and

1034
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,479
Speaker 3: I'm thinking they'll probably gonna kick the field goal there,

1035
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 3: and he just puts that in the spot only Cocer

1036
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 3: can get it.

1037
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1038
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 4: I thought Jalon Coker was really good in this game

1039
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:40,760
Speaker 4: running away from cornerbacks. By the way, be honest, Greg, Yes,

1040
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,760
Speaker 4: I'll be honest after you're honest. Did you know Isaiah

1041
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 4: Simmons was on the Panthers when he blocked that nine? No,

1042
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,439
Speaker 4: I had no idea. I was like, are there two

1043
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 4: Isaiah Simmons is? Like I was thinking, I'm like giants.

1044
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 4: I know he's in the NFL somewhere, but man.

1045
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 3: He's bouncing around. He was with the Packers at one

1046
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 3: point obviously sleep back in the day. No, I did

1047
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 3: not know he was kicking around on special teams because

1048
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:06,879
Speaker 3: they are not using him on that.

1049
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 4: Big play, big play. And you're right about Brycetown and

1050
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 4: that he makes the hard stuff look easy. And I think, like,

1051
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:16,959
Speaker 4: you know, there's like a sort of like a meme

1052
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 4: or some meme element to him about like you know,

1053
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 4: all his best passes or touch passes, like the only

1054
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 4: thing he can do is a touch pass. But like, man,

1055
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 4: when his story was out breaking routes and there's a

1056
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 4: little bit of space to work with those stories are

1057
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 4: on the money. He was again, I just think it

1058
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 4: reminded me a little bit of like Tony Romo to something,

1059
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 4: except when he was like scrambling and like spinning out

1060
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 4: of pressures and escaping and then hitting receivers on the run.

1061
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 4: I just you know, they're if he had been terrible

1062
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 4: in this game, I still think they pick up his

1063
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 4: fifty option, but you don't feel good about it. And

1064
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 4: I think if you're the Panthers, you're like running to

1065
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 4: the window to hand in Bryce Shung's fifth year option

1066
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 4: after that game and not like, you know, this was

1067
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 4: the biggest game of his career. I don't think it

1068
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 4: was a game that was single handedly going to decide

1069
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 4: his future, but I think it made life so much

1070
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,240
Speaker 4: easier for the Panthers to envision a future with Bryce

1071
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 4: Young being a focal point event because he was every

1072
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 4: bit as good as the NFL MVP against worse pressure,

1073
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 4: with worse receivers, with a lesson posting coaching staff, and

1074
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 4: put Carolina in position to win this football game.

1075
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that the fifth year option decision is easy.

1076
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:45,760
Speaker 3: As you said, I think it would have been easy,

1077
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 3: barring just like a disastrous performance. It's a twenty six

1078
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 3: million dollar contract for twenty twenty seven. And in fact,

1079
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 3: you could argue, if you're Bryce Young that the fact

1080
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 3: that they're just happy giving him the fifth year option

1081
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 3: is almost disrespectful, you know, like because it's Bryce Young,

1082
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 3: he'll probably he just doesn't seem like he's gonna be

1083
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 3: pushing for a new long term contract this offseason. But overall,

1084
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 3: I think his play over the last two years, certainly

1085
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 3: overall down the stretch, like has been good enough to

1086
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 3: get that sort of middle tier quarterback contract, and the

1087
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 3: fifth year option actually does them a favor because it

1088
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 3: kind of kicks the can for a year down the

1089
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 3: road to make that decision. But yeah, Coker had a

1090
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 3: good game. He gets nine catches for one hundred and

1091
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 3: thirty four yards. Teteroa McMillan has five catches for eighty

1092
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 3: one yards. And I did think it was a bad

1093
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 3: game for the Rams secondary in general, because you're getting

1094
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 3: that pass rush for the most part pretty quick. You

1095
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 3: would have liked to see them maybe like finish a

1096
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 3: few more plays like Jared Verse and Kobe Turner. Kobe

1097
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 3: Turner did finish plays on that last drive, certainly, but

1098
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 3: you know Kobe Durantz getting picked on. Weatherspoon left this

1099
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 3: game pretty early with an injury, and they were playing

1100
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 3: a lot in base with like an extra safety, basically

1101
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 3: playing a linebacker position. And they're just not impressive. And

1102
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 3: if you're looking for the biggest problem that they could have,

1103
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 3: it's going to depend on the matchups. But let's say

1104
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 3: they're in Philadelphia next week. You know you gotta have

1105
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts to take advantage of it. But you're loving

1106
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 3: those matchups of those receivers on the outside against these

1107
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 3: Rams cornerbacks.

1108
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 4: I mean, that's what that's what won the Eagles the game. Well,

1109
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 4: two things, ironically enough, won the Eagles the game when

1110
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 4: they played the Rams earlier this year, which was Anti

1111
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 4: Brown beating up Emmanuel Forbes, who was the best Rams cornerback,

1112
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 4: and like you said, briefly if the game injured before

1113
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 4: coming back in but block kicks Greg decided that game

1114
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 4: for the Eagles, and it almost decided this game for

1115
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 4: the Panthers. And I guess I want to ask, maybe

1116
00:58:55,800 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 4: it's not realistic, but yes, do you think the Rams

1117
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 4: special teams, especially when it comes to blocks and punting.

1118
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 4: Are they so bad that you think Show McVay drastically

1119
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 4: needs to change the way he approaches yes, fourth downs

1120
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 4: for the rest of the post season.

1121
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 3: Oh Okay, different question than I expected. I thought you

1122
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 3: were just gonna say, drastically changes the approach to that

1123
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 3: he has the special teams in general, which he doesn't

1124
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 3: seem like he really respects it that much or tries

1125
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 3: that hard.

1126
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 4: Out coat and changed the kicker, Like what are they like?

1127
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 3: Just the way he talks about it, the fact that

1128
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 3: they wouldn't kick the ball last year in bounds, they

1129
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 3: just took the they took the you know, touchback all

1130
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 3: season long. I think he's been aggressive going for it

1131
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 3: on fourth down and you know they didn't get it

1132
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 3: a couple of times today. Did they have two turnovers

1133
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 3: on downs or they just had one turnover on downs? Today?

1134
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 3: The Panthers actually were quite aggressive and you know, got

1135
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 3: stopped twice, including on their first drive of the then one. Yeah,

1136
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 3: I think he needs to stay aggressive because that's that's

1137
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 3: where the moneymaker is, That's where Matthew Stafford is. This

1138
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 3: this should be one of the best running teams in

1139
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 3: the league, like they are an offense first team and yeah,

1140
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 3: like you know, I'm all for the thicker kicker. He

1141
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 3: hit a couple of kicks today that wasn't their their problem.

1142
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think they should be aggressive.

1143
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 4: But I mean, like I'm saying like to an extreme extent,

1144
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 4: like let's say, middle of the game, fourth and three

1145
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 4: on your own thirty yard line. I don't think Sean

1146
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 4: McVay is ever thinking about going forward before this season,

1147
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 4: but is do you believe their punting game and their

1148
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 4: pension for having stuff blocked is so bad that that

1149
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 4: should become a go for it spot for them when

1150
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 4: maybe it wouldn't have been if they had competent punting

1151
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 4: this season.

1152
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 3: I mean, Ben Johnson essentially went for that tonight in

1153
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 3: the first quarter of the game, so it's not that crazy.

1154
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 3: I don't think he will go that far, though. I

1155
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 3: do think it's a problem though. And special teams was

1156
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 3: a draw today because, as you mentioned, it is an

1157
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 3: interesting game to think back about because the Rams were

1158
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 3: given a lot, including a special team's turnover that sort

1159
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 3: of made it, you know, sort of evened out that

1160
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 3: fake block punt. It just was a ball bouncing off

1161
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 3: the Panthers helmet on a punt earlier in the game.

1162
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 3: They also had like a wide open drop the Panthers

1163
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 3: that killed the drive on third down, and then the Rams,

1164
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 3: credit to them, did have a couple fourth down stops

1165
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 3: that gave the ball back to their offense. It's an

1166
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,439
Speaker 3: interesting game too, because, like you look at the score

1167
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 3: and you think it was like a great game by

1168
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 3: the offense, and you see that the Rams got over

1169
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 3: four hundred yards, it wasn't like a terrible game, but

1170
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 3: they had thirteen possessions. They had It was the exact

1171
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 3: opposite of what happened when these two teams played the

1172
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 3: first time around, where it was just like very limited possessions.

1173
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 3: The Rams got as many possessions in the first half

1174
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 3: of this game as I think they might have gotten

1175
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 3: in the entire game last time. They had seven possessions

1176
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 3: in the first half, so they had five punts, they

1177
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 3: had an interception, they had the block punt, they had

1178
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 3: the turnover on downs. There was actually like a lot

1179
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 3: of Rams possessions that didn't end up in points. And

1180
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 3: I think that's why I left you feeling so Underwell,

1181
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 3: maybe I'm maybe I'm biased here in in a house

1182
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 3: with a couple a couple of women wearing RAMS gear today.

1183
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 3: But I kind of look at playoff games where you

1184
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 3: shouldn't win and you win usually as just like a, eh,

1185
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 3: the odds are you'll probably play better next time, because

1186
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 3: that's like how the regular season works too. People are always like, oh,

1187
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 3: they're lucky to win, but it's like, no, they'll probably

1188
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 3: play more at their level the next time around, you know,

1189
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 3: like if they've established the level and then and then

1190
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 3: you don't need to be as lucky.

1191
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 4: If they've been playing great for the last month of

1192
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 4: the year and then they had to have a stinker here,

1193
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 4: I'd like, okay, whatever, but it's been a month where

1194
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 4: they've been okay and losing and in danger of losing.

1195
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know. I picked them to win

1196
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 4: the super Bowl after the season, so I don't know

1197
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 4: any better. I'm I'm with you on this, but I

1198
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 4: don't know. I was I was expect especially I figured

1199
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 4: like after fourteen to nothing lead, I mean, it felt

1200
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 4: like I wasn't going to turn it off too, But

1201
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 4: but I thought about, like, maybe I'll put something else

1202
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 4: on the second TV and see if I'll focus on that.

1203
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 3: I mean, it was so easy. That first drive was

1204
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 3: like a four play drive and there was no one

1205
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 3: within ten yards of any of his vendors. It almost

1206
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 3: looked unfair early, which is why you know, I give,

1207
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 3: I give Cocher and Bryce and in that coaching staff,

1208
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 3: because look, I know the Bill Barnwell article about teams

1209
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 3: most likely to regress is coming out next August or whatever,

1210
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 3: and the numbers aren't going to be that kind to

1211
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 3: the Panthers. Granted, they only won eight games, but they

1212
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 3: they've kind of profiled all year like a six and

1213
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 3: eleven type of team, not really even an eight to

1214
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 3: nine type of team. But this will make you know,

1215
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 3: everyone feel good I think about how this season is

1216
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 3: and yet they have a lot to work on. I

1217
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 3: think just roster wise did show some proof of concept

1218
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 3: though of that. Okay, maybe Dave Canaos really can be

1219
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 3: the spiritual gods done to Pete Carroll and just like

1220
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 3: make everyone super positive and that somehow overwhelms like logic,

1221
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 3: well and ask.

1222
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 4: It feels like the last two years we've entered the

1223
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 4: off season and the Panthers have like their goal has

1224
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 4: just been, oh my god, we have to help Bryce,

1225
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 4: Oh God, Bryce is a disaster. We have to fix them,

1226
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 4: we have to help him. Is this the first offseason

1227
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 4: where the Panthers can go into the off season and

1228
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 4: not be like, oh my god, we have to get

1229
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 4: three more receivers and another running back and the other offensive.

1230
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 4: Do you feel like they've done enough?

1231
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 7: No?

1232
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 3: Crazy thing is I think they kind of still need.

1233
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 3: I mean, they couldn't run the ball all down the stretch.

1234
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 3: They were a little better today, not really. A forty

1235
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 3: two percent success rate isn't bad, but they only ended

1236
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 3: up with eighty three yards on the ground. They were

1237
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 3: one of the I think the two worst running teams

1238
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 3: in the league since Week ten. So you can't run

1239
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 3: the ball and your number three receivers who like no one,

1240
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 3: Essentially it's Jimmy Horn who's dropping the ball at the

1241
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 3: end of this game. You don't Yeah, Savior leget but

1242
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 3: you can't trust him, So you don't have much receiver depth.

1243
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 3: You don't really have a tight end that that you love.

1244
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 3: So no, they need. They still need more on both

1245
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 3: sides of the ball. But I think they'll feel they'll

1246
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 3: feel better about it. It would have been an interesting what

1247
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 3: if if Jimmy Horn catches that ball, he's probably is

1248
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 3: he probably in bounds or he gets out of bounds

1249
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 3: at like the the Rams forty five and you're throwing

1250
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 3: a hail Mary, or maybe you have two plays and

1251
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 3: you can get a little closer and throw a hail

1252
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 3: They're probably not really gonna win this game either way,

1253
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 3: probably not. But or kicking pretty kick a field goal there?

1254
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 3: Like can you get Ryan Fitzgerald like a sixty five

1255
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 3: yard attempt? It wasn't that far away.

1256
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 4: And it wasn't like it was the Bears conditions either.

1257
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 4: It was a little nicer out there than it was

1258
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 4: in Chicago.

1259
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 3: What a day, Bill, Thanks for honking and going all

1260
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 3: over the place. I love a little like a bombs

1261
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 3: away type of game, because that Panthers Rams game kind

1262
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 3: of was a sneaky bombs away game. You know, everyone

1263
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 3: complains about it. It was how it's just like everything's short

1264
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 3: passing in the NFL today. Bryce way over his average

1265
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 3: nine point four air yards per attempt and Matthew Stafford

1266
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 3: was almost at twelve. Like he was just hucking that

1267
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 3: thing down the field mm hmm, and he got it done.

1268
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 4: You can't ask for anything more for an NF for

1269
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 4: an NFC wild Card Saturday than the two games we

1270
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 4: got today.

1271
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 3: Yes, that has to be. I'd have to go through

1272
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 3: all the wild Card Saturdays, but it is off to

1273
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 3: a rollicking start for this wild Card weekend. I can't

1274
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 3: imagine there's been any better than those two games. That

1275
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 3: it was an all timer in Chicago, and can I

1276
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 3: tell you, I think if we went to tell you

1277
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 3: think the Panthers were some great team, we would be

1278
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 3: calling that in all timer too, because that was back

1279
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 3: and forth as good as it gets.

1280
01:06:58,000 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 4: Can I tell you what the two Saturday games were

1281
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 4: last year?

1282
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 3: Greg, okay please?

1283
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 4: Texans thirty two, Chargers twelve, a game when neither offense

1284
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 4: looked like it had ever played football before for the

1285
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 4: first half of the game. And Ravens twenty eight, Steelers fourteen,

1286
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:17,320
Speaker 4: a game where I literally could not tell you one

1287
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 4: thing that happens in it.

1288
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 3: And yet you were on live with me on YouTube

1289
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 3: after that game too. We've made this Saturday evening.

1290
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 4: The year before the year before Texans forty five, Browns fourteen,

1291
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:33,080
Speaker 4: Chiefs twenty six, Dolphin seven, the game where I was

1292
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 4: afraid too was going to freeze. We digat Jags, Chargers

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Speaker 4: a couple of years ago as the Saturday night game.

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Speaker 4: That was a pretty good one. That was good, But

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Speaker 4: I think this is the best two game Saturday slate

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Speaker 4: we have seen in the Super wild Card era.

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Speaker 3: They're no longer calling it super wild Card. And you

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Speaker 3: know what the key was, Bill, They took the Texans

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Speaker 3: out and it's the first time. I can't believe this,

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Speaker 3: literally the first time they haven't been in the early

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Speaker 3: Saturday game. The west of this game, our great friend

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Speaker 3: Chris Westling who named it West of Us because it

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Speaker 3: was the day every year, at the time every year

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Speaker 3: that the Cincinnati Bengals would go bye bye for the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: Marvin Lewis and Andy Dalton and the whole crew. Well,

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Speaker 3: you know who was on the Carolina Panthers and they

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Speaker 3: gave it a good they gave it a good try,

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Speaker 3: but they also said bye bye in the west of

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Speaker 3: his slot early it was Andy Dalton in the Carolina Panthers.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Bill, appreciate you. We will be back on

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Speaker 3: Sunday night. We're not going live on Sunday Night, but

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Speaker 3: we will be in the studio with all the trimming

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Speaker 3: knee Nick Schuck and Patrick Claybond recapping all the Sunday games,

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Speaker 3: looking forward to the triple header, and I thought, I

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Speaker 3: thought that Phill's Dag game was going to be the

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Speaker 3: best game of the weekend. Got a lot to live

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Speaker 3: up to the see of them