WEBVTT - #492 - John Mackk

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<v Speaker 1>Is Don mac Oh my god, check me out on

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<v Speaker 2>let's get to the interview, all right, Bootleg CAV Podcast. Man,

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<v Speaker 2>special guests in here, John Mack in the building. The

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<v Speaker 2>most buff rapper we've had in here for a very

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's been a while since we've had someone

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<v Speaker 2>is yolks. John knack in here. Welcome. Appreciate you, bro, Yes, sir,

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate you. What's your workout regimen, Sir? I do it.

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<v Speaker 2>I do it three on one split, So explain what

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<v Speaker 2>that means. That sounds like gymnastics. Sounds like a stripper

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<v Speaker 2>moved one split on stage. Motherfuckers make a raine. What

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<v Speaker 2>does that mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Niggas said, I have magic Mike. So look, it's like, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's so three day. So let's say my my split

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<v Speaker 1>start Monday, right, So Monday, push pool, Tuesday legs, Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 1>push puol, Thursday off, then Fridays start over, push pool,

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<v Speaker 1>Saturday legs, Sunday push pull, Monday off.

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<v Speaker 2>You get it. So push puol is you do back

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<v Speaker 2>and chest on the same day, So yeah, I do buy.

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<v Speaker 1>I do biceps in chests on the same day, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I do back, shoulders and triceeps on the Thursday, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and then legs on the second day and then fourth

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<v Speaker 1>day rest. But like so legs get their own day

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<v Speaker 1>all the time. Yeah for sure, that every time, bro.

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<v Speaker 1>So basically I really be in a gym like six

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<v Speaker 1>seven days a week. Yeah, forel me like six days

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<v Speaker 1>a week because it's three on one so which you go.

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<v Speaker 2>You're are you here in La? Are you in the bay? No,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in the bay. Okay, okay, Yeah, you surprised they

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<v Speaker 2>have the hav't bited the gym yet taking all the

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<v Speaker 2>fucking equipment. Little niggas crazy. Yeah, what's going on? Man?

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<v Speaker 2>Look you're from Oakland. Uh. The only in and out

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<v Speaker 2>to ever close in the history of in and out

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<v Speaker 2>is in Oakland. Yeah. Uh, what's happening out there? Man? Bro?

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<v Speaker 1>And they was spinning close, they got they got the

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<v Speaker 1>canes out there. I think in Berkeley, Berkeley.

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<v Speaker 2>Is not that's different, right, Yeah, but it's they you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's close enough for me. And they was goinna

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<v Speaker 2>close that down too. I don't know them. Little niggas

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<v Speaker 2>just ignorant, Bro. They're hungry. Niggas don't want a job,

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<v Speaker 2>niggas don't want to feel me, so they rather just steal. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It feels like uh. In like l A, we have

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<v Speaker 2>fetanahl and homeless people. And in the Bay you you

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<v Speaker 2>have fetanah homeless people and exactly show have you been bipped? Nah?

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<v Speaker 2>By a grace of God, thank God, you're not stupid

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<v Speaker 2>enough to leave anything in your car no, he'll no.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'll be moving around a lot though, So sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>I had something in there like feel me.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I got you know, you know John Coston.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone knows John Coston, the oldest youngest guy in the Bay.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got like this really bad hairline. I might maybe

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<v Speaker 2>if I seen him. Yeah, if you if you've seen him,

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<v Speaker 2>you would know him. He lives in the Valinci here

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<v Speaker 2>fox Sake, but he leaves like his like his trunk open. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>so he can let him know, like, bro, there's nothing

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<v Speaker 2>in here. Yeah, like leave me alone. I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to worry about the putting the claim in for the

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<v Speaker 2>broken window and there's nothing in exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what you do. You lead the what is it

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<v Speaker 1>the arm rest? You lead that open, and then you

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<v Speaker 1>lead a glove department open. And then would he do

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<v Speaker 1>lead a trunk open? They gonna know like, ain't sent

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<v Speaker 1>in here, but I ain't gonna waste my time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. You seem to have gotten a lot of motion

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<v Speaker 2>out of the Bay, which is you know, I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like I feel like I was hearing about you, like

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<v Speaker 2>independent of Bay area people, which is different because most

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<v Speaker 2>of the people from the Bay you hear about them

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<v Speaker 2>because some people from the Baby telling you about him, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so you've caught you caught a couple of records that

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<v Speaker 2>been going crazy, but uh while being independent, Yeah, absolutely, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 2>like fully independent. Yeah. Like there's like people who are

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<v Speaker 2>from the Bay that are like independent ish, Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>you're like independent independent like distrc kid independent yep, yep,

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<v Speaker 2>I upload my own shit. Yeah. So what do you

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<v Speaker 2>think is kind of like the secret to like your success,

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<v Speaker 2>Like things that you've been able to kind of do

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<v Speaker 2>that you know, you feel like have worked for you

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<v Speaker 2>outside of making good music, Uh, to be honest, consistency.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I just I just keep dropping, I keep dropping,

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<v Speaker 1>keep dropping dropping, and then like, bro, I'm a student

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<v Speaker 1>of the game before anything, So like I study like

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<v Speaker 1>the popular music right now. I study certain ship and

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<v Speaker 1>how certain shit go viral or what song go viral,

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<v Speaker 1>what they talking about in the song and what they're

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<v Speaker 1>doing in the song, and what they're doing the viral

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<v Speaker 1>tiktoks to the song, and then I just cater to

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<v Speaker 1>that in a way, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're you're like, for example, like this new record

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<v Speaker 2>you got, Natalie just jumped on the remix, was that

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<v Speaker 2>a record you like intentionally made, Like, Yo, this shit's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna go absolutely thousand. This is the formula I know.

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<v Speaker 2>I know how to make this work on these platforms.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, absolutely absolutely, And it's crazy, right because shout out

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<v Speaker 1>shout out Natalie none too. But like when I made

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<v Speaker 1>the record, I was in it. I was in the

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<v Speaker 1>lab with my engineered combat.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh and uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I made it all right there, and I'm like, all right, bro,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I'm gonna let it. I'm gonna let the second.

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<v Speaker 2>Floor the hook breathe, bro, and add add.

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<v Speaker 1>The camera sounds because the camera sound's gonna make them

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<v Speaker 1>pose when I say posed for me, right, So I'm like, bro,

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<v Speaker 1>it's TikTok right here. And then I did it, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I dropped it. It start going viral. I wrapped

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<v Speaker 1>it on Instagram first. It did like six hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 1>of me just wrapping in the car, right, and I'm like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm about to drop it.

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<v Speaker 2>So I dropped it.

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<v Speaker 1>When I drop it, it's start going viral, right, And

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<v Speaker 1>then Natalie tapped in with me. And so when Natalie

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<v Speaker 1>tapped in with me, she's like, I fuck with this,

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<v Speaker 1>like you did a video to it, I'm like, nah,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't she like let me jump on it. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, bet, she like write me a verse, feel me?

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<v Speaker 2>So you wrote verse yep.

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<v Speaker 1>So I went to the lab and then I'm in

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<v Speaker 1>a stool when I when I make her verse, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to think of like like TikTok shit. That's

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<v Speaker 1>why I'm saying this because I'm piggybacking off the TikTok shit.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm in a stool and I'm thinking of like

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<v Speaker 1>TikTok shit that I make the girls like go crazy, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I got to

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<v Speaker 1>explain something on a girl body part to make them

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<v Speaker 1>like feel themselves as fat, slim diick no, tell me

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<v Speaker 1>you feel me, and that's something that that they eat up.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm like, yeah, that's hard. And then come on

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<v Speaker 1>with a chant feel me. And that's when that's when

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<v Speaker 1>that baddies, you know what I'm saying. And so then

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<v Speaker 1>when I made it, bro, I kid you not. I

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<v Speaker 1>told my brothers and my engineer. I'm like, bro, I

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<v Speaker 1>guarantee you this go viral. I promise, bro, I promise.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like all right, Bro, it's good let's see feel

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<v Speaker 1>me right, we drive that motherfucker did numbers. Shout out

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<v Speaker 1>Natalie too, she'd go, she got, she got a following man?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? For show, Yeah, I feel like people be underrating,

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<v Speaker 2>like people fuck with Natalie, they do she got. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't even know what show she'd be on because I

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<v Speaker 2>don't watch that of that ship, but I just know

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<v Speaker 2>she fuck you book her out a club. People come

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<v Speaker 2>go crazy for it too. For sure. For show. Yo,

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<v Speaker 2>that's crazy because I feel like there's like a uh,

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<v Speaker 2>there's like a thin line between like doing something like

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<v Speaker 2>on purpose, like I guess you would say like you

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<v Speaker 2>would always hear like certain artists say, when you chase

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<v Speaker 2>a hit, it never it comes across integrator inorganic as

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<v Speaker 2>opposed to when you just do it organically and then

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<v Speaker 2>it happens to be it. Right, So you're kind of

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<v Speaker 2>doing like you're you're kind of walking the thin line

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<v Speaker 2>because would slow it down like for you because that's

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<v Speaker 2>all I mean, that's two years old, right, So it's

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<v Speaker 2>like for a record like that, was that something that

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<v Speaker 2>you made with that same approach or did it just

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<v Speaker 2>was it a record that just kind of took off?

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<v Speaker 2>It was a record that just took off. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So like at that time, I was just recording like

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<v Speaker 1>hell of different shit, and that one I just recorded,

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't even gonna drop it, and I didn't like it.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, Yeah, at first I did not like it.

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<v Speaker 1>I recorded it and it was supposed to be a

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<v Speaker 1>second verse on it, but I told my engineer, I'm like, bro,

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<v Speaker 1>just just just render this, just bounce this shit out

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<v Speaker 1>and then just send it to me very it's good,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I'm cool, I'm not even feeling it. And then

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<v Speaker 1>we bounced it out. I ended up keeping it. All

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<v Speaker 1>My people around me was like, bro, that's a banger.

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<v Speaker 1>Bro dropped this.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like real, They're like, yeah, wrote the fuck send

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<v Speaker 2>this to me.

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<v Speaker 1>So then I ended up dropping it on a time

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<v Speaker 1>where I needed something to drop, and I just dropped

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<v Speaker 1>the MP three with a lyric video, and that motherfucker

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<v Speaker 1>went fire.

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<v Speaker 2>Roy a year later, a year later, a year later,

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<v Speaker 2>what the fuck that shit it was? You already move

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<v Speaker 2>off of it because it was already out, Like you

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<v Speaker 2>were like, man, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it just came back yeah, like like but

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<v Speaker 1>it was like one of it was one of those

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<v Speaker 1>things to where you know, you check your U yo. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>what is it Apple for artists is Spotify artists? So

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<v Speaker 1>it was always at the top in one of my

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<v Speaker 1>top stream songs, right, So I see I added in

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<v Speaker 1>little videos when I do certain ship, certain highlights with

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<v Speaker 1>my cousins or something, I put the song behind it

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<v Speaker 1>and ship and then that motherfucker just ended up picking

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<v Speaker 1>up catching steam And I'm like.

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<v Speaker 2>What the fuck? That's crazy? Wow, Yeah, that's crazy how

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<v Speaker 2>that works, man, especially with like the internet, Like you

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<v Speaker 2>have a two year old song that just goes fucking crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>How many remix did you did you end up doing

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<v Speaker 2>with that record? Like a hundred?

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<v Speaker 1>I know it was pretty no babies on one Mazi

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Sherm uh heen busy damn, And I think I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's a lot. Yeah, that's like five. So between

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<v Speaker 2>like all of the remixes, which one did the best? Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Sharam the sher Man. Yeah. By the way, Mike

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<v Speaker 2>Sherm is very underrated. Yeah. I feel like when we

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<v Speaker 2>talk about the Bay, that dude's got a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>platinum records. What's the that's the guy and he's like

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<v Speaker 2>he's also independent as fuck. Yep. It's crazy. Yeah, they

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<v Speaker 2>they try to figure out how he do it. Bro,

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<v Speaker 2>he still sell shit out. Yeah, for sure, he's been

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<v Speaker 2>doing music just like he been popping, just like twenty

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen or something. I don't know. Asshole is just one

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<v Speaker 2>of the greatest club songs of all time if you

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<v Speaker 2>are on the West Coast, especially if you're in the Bay.

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<v Speaker 2>But absolutely, yeah, but they play his shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Bro.

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<v Speaker 2>He played shit everywhere. Yeah, I'm you know, I want

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<v Speaker 2>a club and AZ that shit goes up there. See Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that shit crazy bro. For sure. It's interesting too because

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<v Speaker 2>there's these records that, like, you like, like uh, Little Blood.

0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:34.480
<v Speaker 2>Third World is like a record that like you won't

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<v Speaker 2>understand until you see it get played at like a

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<v Speaker 2>concert YEP in the Bay and then be like what

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<v Speaker 2>oh shit, or like New Oakland from like mister fab

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<v Speaker 2>Like YEP. There's like those records that you're like, you

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<v Speaker 2>don't understand how big these songs are unless you're there

0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:52.200
<v Speaker 2>when they get played, because you can even like those

0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:55.959
<v Speaker 2>two songs you could play in LA in the Bay. Though,

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<v Speaker 2>Shit's hit different, crazy crazy Little Blood performed that when

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<v Speaker 2>I opened up for YG.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was New Peerish or something like that.

0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:12.239
<v Speaker 1>Blood Little Blood performed there. Yeah, Bro, they went insane. Yeah, insane.

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<v Speaker 1>His podcast is dope.

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<v Speaker 2>Shout out to him. Yeah, shout out to bro for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>He's uh he just didn't he interview He interviewed Gavin

0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:26.040
<v Speaker 2>newsom mmmm he did real Yeah, crazy interviewed Gavin fucking

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<v Speaker 2>new some Yeah that's crazy, It's fucking wild. Shout out

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<v Speaker 2>to a Little Blood for you, man, Like, what is

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<v Speaker 2>it about being independent that you enjoy? And I'm assuming

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<v Speaker 2>you've turned down tons of deals at this point, so

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<v Speaker 2>like where are you at with that in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>just like are you keeping it pushing? Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, right now, Bro, we just really focused on like

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<v Speaker 1>just building, Bro. I'm trying to I'm trying to like

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<v Speaker 1>dial in on my brand and just just build report.

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<v Speaker 2>Bro.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, I don't want to sign right now for a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of pennies. I'm a stay indie. Put me and me,

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<v Speaker 1>me and the team gonna put our own bread behind

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<v Speaker 1>it and just push this ship because we got this

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<v Speaker 1>far doing it, so like why would I just fuck it?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm about to sign right now for a few hundred

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<v Speaker 1>thousand that's crazy, No, you know what I'm saying. So

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<v Speaker 1>we just building brom I'm gonna be Indie for the

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<v Speaker 1>next like however long and then when the labels talking,

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<v Speaker 1>would you ever.

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<v Speaker 2>Do a single deal just a one off? Uh? It depends, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it depends. Yeah. I mean I feel like that'd be

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<v Speaker 2>the only thing you should consider. Yeah, that's it. Otherwise

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<v Speaker 2>they're gonna fucking Like you said, you might get a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of hundred thousand, but then you know you're chained

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<v Speaker 2>to the machine, and exactly then you can't drop how

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<v Speaker 2>you want to drop. And I got to ask permission

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<v Speaker 2>and get clear and fuck all that. Exactly uh do

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<v Speaker 2>you have? Is there is there a body your work

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<v Speaker 2>on the way I know I was looking at your

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<v Speaker 2>Spotify you this is something that I saw you did

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<v Speaker 2>that a lot of people I think should do. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's if you're just sitting on songs that are never

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<v Speaker 2>gonna come out, you drop something. It was called like

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<v Speaker 2>empty in the Vault a couple of years ago, yep,

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<v Speaker 2>which is like, yo, if you got, if you got,

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<v Speaker 2>like like fans, don't leave that shit on the fucking

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<v Speaker 2>hard drive though, like, just drop it.

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<v Speaker 1>Get rid of that shit. You might as well for

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<v Speaker 1>me too. I don't be wanting people to think my

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<v Speaker 1>old songs is my new songs because I got better

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<v Speaker 1>since then and I changed since then, so I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>label it something like empty in the vault.

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<v Speaker 2>They know it's old, so they understand it's not some

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<v Speaker 2>current shit. Exactly, are you working on a project right now?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just working on music period, bro, Like I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not really planning on dropping a project just because

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<v Speaker 2>I don't feel like I'm big enough to drop a

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<v Speaker 2>project right in my own head, because like, attention spans

0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:46.640
<v Speaker 2>is so short now. Yeah, always say if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>like you just said, like, I mean, look, you, I

0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:51.880
<v Speaker 2>think you're big enough to drop a project. But if

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<v Speaker 2>you have that thought process and you're like, Okay, if

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<v Speaker 2>I put out a twelve song body of work, that's

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<v Speaker 2>one impression to the algorithm, Yeah, as opposed to dropping

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<v Speaker 2>twelve songs exactly, having twelve shots exactly, Yeah, exactly exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how I think of it too, just dialing on

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<v Speaker 1>each song. Now, if you drop a body of work

0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:16.400
<v Speaker 1>or some ship you drop in the next fucking five months,

0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:19.000
<v Speaker 1>you drop five songs, and then that sixth month you

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<v Speaker 1>give them them five songs.

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<v Speaker 2>With like two extra right, that's different for sure, something

0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:24.880
<v Speaker 2>like that. But if I don't do that, then it's

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<v Speaker 2>just straight singles. Yeah. Have you been able to connect

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<v Speaker 2>with the rustle at all out there? No? I haven't. Yeah,

0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:32.760
<v Speaker 2>he's fucking going crazy. Yeah, he been going crazy for

0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:35.160
<v Speaker 2>show doing his He's just doing his own thing, bro,

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<v Speaker 2>Like yeah, it's pretty crazy. Honestly, it's interesting. I went

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<v Speaker 2>to his house a couple of years ago, the pergola

0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:46.840
<v Speaker 2>where he's performing it. Yeah, yeah, crazy, that's what That's

0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:48.640
<v Speaker 2>what it's called, the pergola. Yeah yeah, yeah, so he's

0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:52.520
<v Speaker 2>calling the purgola is what he built. It's like a stay.

0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:55.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what. It's like a stage, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>fucking wild. Yea. His dad was barbecuing, they had the merchant,

0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:02.680
<v Speaker 2>the garage. It was pretty sick culture. Yeah, Bro, he's smart, oh,

0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:05.040
<v Speaker 2>super smart for sure. There's something about the babe where

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<v Speaker 2>y'all just like got this fucking grind that nobody else got.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely yeah, absolutely, bro.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be driving five six, seven, eight hours just I

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<v Speaker 1>just I just got here, Bro, just like like twenty

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<v Speaker 1>thirty minutes ago, straight.

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<v Speaker 2>Drove, push pushed through all man. I'll tell you that

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<v Speaker 2>Beta La drive is interesting. Yeah, because it's like cool,

0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:26.640
<v Speaker 2>there's like some outlet malls, but then there's just like

0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:30.960
<v Speaker 2>that patch of farmland. Yeah, and you're like, damn, this

0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:34.280
<v Speaker 2>is where all the Republicans in California.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, I'm moving there though, I'm gonna give me some

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<v Speaker 1>less farm.

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<v Speaker 2>That be a fucking Bakersfield before, you know, a dog show.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh god for show? That shit crazy for you? Man?

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<v Speaker 2>Is there anybody who is because I always feel like

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<v Speaker 2>the beta LA relationships very important and it's been important

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<v Speaker 2>over the years. Is there anybody in LA? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously you work with three with No Baby, But anybody

0:15:56.960 --> 0:16:00.360
<v Speaker 2>in LA that you you feel like you've you've got

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<v Speaker 2>a good relationship with that you want to make some

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<v Speaker 2>more music with. To be honest, not really. I fuck

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<v Speaker 2>with everybody though, but who I really fuck with?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh? He's super underrated. One take Jay, Yeah that's my boy.

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<v Speaker 2>He was just up here. Yeah, Yeah, that's my boy.

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<v Speaker 2>I fuck with him heavy. Wait hold up, Tripp, hey

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<v Speaker 2>be wrapping his ass off?

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<v Speaker 1>He do?

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<v Speaker 2>He do? Bro?

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<v Speaker 1>And like Kaylyn, I fuck with Kaylan shit heavy too

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<v Speaker 1>because he kind of like in the same lane as

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<v Speaker 1>that I am. As far as the females, you know what,

0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:37.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, so I fuck with Kaylan shit too heavy?

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<v Speaker 2>And would you say most of your fans are chicks? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Majority majority? Yeah? All right, so you got, uh, has

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<v Speaker 2>there been someone who's done a TikTok to one of

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<v Speaker 2>your records that tripped you the funk out where you're like, oh, ship, uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah yeah Kylie Jenner, Kylie did a TikTok? Yeah,

0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:01.760
<v Speaker 1>Kylie ye, Kylie was one, and I was like, god damn.

0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:05.600
<v Speaker 2>And Haley Haley Bailey. I think Haley Bieber and Haley Bailey.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh oh that's uh yeah, Chloe and Haley yeah a

0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:09.040
<v Speaker 2>little mermaid.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, I think she was doing no, no. The

0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:16.200
<v Speaker 1>other one her sister, her older sister.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, I don't know which one's Chloe. Which one? I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's Chloe, Uh, the older one. The older one's Chloe.

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<v Speaker 2>The younger one's Hailey. Hailey is a little mermaid. That's crazy.

0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:32.120
<v Speaker 2>Haley was is DD's baby momy Yeah so Chloe yeah

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<v Speaker 2>shouts her. Hey, what is the is the Kylie Jenner

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<v Speaker 2>effect real? Like what? I'm just curious, like because you

0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:44.800
<v Speaker 2>always would hear like that. The Kardashians and the Jenners

0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:47.960
<v Speaker 2>have like the power to change the record's trajectory. So

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<v Speaker 2>from like the day before she posted TikTok to like

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<v Speaker 2>the day after, what is like in the estimation, what

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<v Speaker 2>is the spike you get off of something like that?

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<v Speaker 2>To be honest, I don't even know, bro, See, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>be geeking on that shit. I'd be like yo, because

0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:05.960
<v Speaker 2>I would like it's like a stimulus package. Yes, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like you know Drake post you're something.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, absolutely, that's everybody was in my in my

0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:12.560
<v Speaker 1>DM and sending it to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody hear me like, bro, congrats as if I just

0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:17.840
<v Speaker 2>got a fucking multi million dollar deal. For sure, I'm like,

0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:20.680
<v Speaker 2>I like that. And you did all that without signing,

0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:23.480
<v Speaker 2>which is amazing because you know, most people they feel

0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:25.800
<v Speaker 2>like they have to sign and get those bigger opportunities

0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:29.200
<v Speaker 2>because they think there's some like you know, secret deal

0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:32.040
<v Speaker 2>between the label heads and the Kardashians or these It's

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<v Speaker 2>like nah, dog, like sometimes it should just be happening.

0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:38.159
<v Speaker 2>I wonder for you, do you feel like because I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like the one thing that like labels help with

0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:44.560
<v Speaker 2>or district companies can help with is like sink opportunities

0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:47.399
<v Speaker 2>and like maybe like putting songs in like NBA two

0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:50.320
<v Speaker 2>K shit like that exactly. Is that something that you

0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:55.080
<v Speaker 2>feel like you've noticed is like a little harder to

0:18:55.119 --> 0:19:01.240
<v Speaker 2>make happen. Yeah, being just you and your team Yah. Yeah, Yeah,

0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:06.720
<v Speaker 2>that's that's definitely, uh on the difficult side obviously, because

0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:08.760
<v Speaker 2>with that, with every path you take, right, there's like

0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:12.119
<v Speaker 2>there's good and bad. Yeah, you know, so there's like

0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:14.919
<v Speaker 2>easier things like obviously you know, you might get an

0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:17.000
<v Speaker 2>upfront bag instead of you. I'm sure you have a

0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:21.359
<v Speaker 2>nice monthly check that hits that account every every every month.

0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:24.040
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I always wonder because to me, that's like

0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:25.480
<v Speaker 2>the main thing that sticks out of my head. Well,

0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:29.160
<v Speaker 2>like it's like, well, those video game companies they usually

0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:31.080
<v Speaker 2>deal with like a certain amount of folks, you know

0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:34.280
<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying, So, like you're like super stripped down independent.

0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:36.000
<v Speaker 2>I just wonder if it makes it a little tougher

0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:39.159
<v Speaker 2>to kind of get into some of those like situations.

0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:39.600
<v Speaker 2>It does.

0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:42.639
<v Speaker 1>That's because it comes with resources for sure, So if

0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:45.440
<v Speaker 1>you don't got to miss a little more difficult versus

0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:49.400
<v Speaker 1>like being with them and they already having those resources.

0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:51.959
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, that's fair. I want to be in two

0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:55.520
<v Speaker 2>KO bro, you will be Yeah, absolutely, two K always

0:19:55.520 --> 0:20:01.560
<v Speaker 2>shows love to the bay. Yeah, I don't know, but yeah, yeah, Yo,

0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:04.200
<v Speaker 2>your hair is interesting. I say that because I've never

0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:06.680
<v Speaker 2>seen the fake Look there you go, and then the

0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:12.760
<v Speaker 2>standalone the stand alone sideburns, the ice pigs. So it's

0:20:12.760 --> 0:20:15.359
<v Speaker 2>the ice picks. Is that okay, I've never seen that.

0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:18.320
<v Speaker 2>It's it's original. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the ice pigs.

0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:21.439
<v Speaker 1>I've been doing this, but they was roasting me on

0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:23.760
<v Speaker 1>Instagram and ship for hell along about my ice pigs.

0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:27.720
<v Speaker 2>Really yeah, just like a thing that you're owning. Yep.

0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:31.080
<v Speaker 1>So I've been doing it since I was in like elementary,

0:20:31.119 --> 0:20:33.240
<v Speaker 1>Me and my little brother, my mom been keeping our sideburns,

0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:35.120
<v Speaker 1>but it was a little different. Obviously it wasn't like this.

0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:37.359
<v Speaker 1>But when I start getting when I start getting this,

0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:39.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, nigga, I'm not cutting my sideburns. I've been

0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:42.200
<v Speaker 1>keeping these forever. So for me, this me So when

0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:43.159
<v Speaker 1>you see a nigga.

0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:44.880
<v Speaker 2>With this and the ice pigs, they got the John

0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:48.120
<v Speaker 2>Mack Yeah for shure, that's fair. For show there it is. Man,

0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:52.040
<v Speaker 2>Well look congrats on everything. Yo. You're killing it independently

0:20:52.240 --> 0:20:54.840
<v Speaker 2>and that's that's a lot. And and you know like

0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:56.640
<v Speaker 2>I said, there's a lot of people from the Bay

0:20:56.880 --> 0:21:02.000
<v Speaker 2>and they're independent ish for sure. It's you independent as fuck.

0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:05.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, uh that that shit's dope to see, man,

0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:07.240
<v Speaker 2>So keep keep keep on keeping.

0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:07.439
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

0:21:07.480 --> 0:21:11.520
<v Speaker 2>I know you got a new record out, uh yeah,

0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:13.760
<v Speaker 2>and then I'm assuming you just got more singles coming.

0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:16.359
<v Speaker 2>Hell yeah, hell is hit. My question to you is

0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:18.159
<v Speaker 2>give me some advice for other artists that might be

0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:21.080
<v Speaker 2>watching this. Let's say you do have a record that's

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<v Speaker 2>going crazy, is it? It's I feel like people think

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<v Speaker 2>mentally that they can only push one thing at a time. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so they're like, well, if my song is going crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>if I drop something new, then I got to move on.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not the case, and you could push old shit exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So like, what is that strategy for you? Because I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like a lot I feel like artists overthink this

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<v Speaker 2>content shit that overthink promoting their own music for some reason.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just like it feels like for some people it's

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<v Speaker 2>like the hardest thing to wrap your head around.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I get like that sometimes too, But you just

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<v Speaker 1>gotta do it, bro, just do it. Just you don't

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<v Speaker 1>got none a louse, Like promoting your music is not

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<v Speaker 1>losing anything. The worst come to worsh it don't go viral,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're not. We're not trying to get a viral

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<v Speaker 1>moment anyway. We're trying to get them to you know, surface,

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<v Speaker 1>towards the towards the old ship. I still promote old, old,

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<v Speaker 1>old songs, like I shoot content for everything and still

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<v Speaker 1>post my old songs from two three years ago, and shit,

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<v Speaker 1>so smart is so like it's like, now I got

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<v Speaker 1>a bigger buzz than I had two three years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>So you might be able to You might be able

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<v Speaker 2>to catch it another hit.

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<v Speaker 1>From hell long ago, you feel me, because they ain't

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<v Speaker 1>never heard it, so if they hear it, they might

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<v Speaker 1>be like, the fuck it's new.

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<v Speaker 2>They gonna think it's new and then gonna listen to

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<v Speaker 2>it and be like, oh this old.

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<v Speaker 1>I fuck with this. So it's like, just promote those shit, bro.

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<v Speaker 1>Even when you drop a new single, you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to wait fucking three months to drop another one. Fuck

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<v Speaker 1>that four weeks, drop another one, two three, you know it.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't just keep promoting both. So now you got content

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<v Speaker 1>for two different songs, so you're not posting the same

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<v Speaker 1>song the whole time. You could post a different one

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<v Speaker 1>real quick, switch it up and then go back to

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<v Speaker 1>that one and then you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>So I love it, man, Yo, artists take notes, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you ever see that clip of Tyler the Creator

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<v Speaker 2>saying that, Like, there was this clip of him talking

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<v Speaker 2>about how like how crazy it is that that artists

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<v Speaker 2>are so passive with promoting their own ship. Damn, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't see that. He was like, Yo, it's your ship

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<v Speaker 2>and all you're gonna do is throw some shit up

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<v Speaker 2>ont of your fucking story on good Like, what the

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<v Speaker 2>fuck is that your music? What are we talking about? Yeah? Exactly, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's crazy. Exactly. You supposed to have like a hunting

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<v Speaker 2>post of that song, to be honest. Where can people

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<v Speaker 2>find you online?

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<v Speaker 1>On Instagram at John Underscore, mac j O h N Underscore, m.

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<v Speaker 2>A c KK and uh yeah, be safe out in

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<v Speaker 2>the bay man, Yeah always you know, ship, keep them

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<v Speaker 2>fucking windows down, dog, Robie under Bro.

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<v Speaker 1>I got five percent tent all around my own play

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<v Speaker 1>like that I'll be and then I don't keep nothing

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<v Speaker 1>in my whip.

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<v Speaker 2>So Stayt's Stockton too out there, Jesus Christ. I felt

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<v Speaker 2>fucking Northern California's wild. They fucking did you see in

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<v Speaker 2>Sacramento they pillaged the road Wave concert. They got up

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<v Speaker 2>in the motherfucking King's venue and they fucked up all

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<v Speaker 2>the concessions. That took all the birch out of that

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<v Speaker 2>bubal hell. Yeah. Did the show get canceled? Yes, but

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<v Speaker 2>that's why because everybody was waiting outside and his productions

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<v Speaker 2>all fucked up, so they were going to cancel the show.

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<v Speaker 2>But people were waiting until like seven forty five outside

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<v Speaker 2>and then they announced that it was canceled. Oh so

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<v Speaker 2>they just turned the fuck up. Okay, that's just that's

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<v Speaker 2>justified for sure, Ye justified. Fuck it, that's crazy though,

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<v Speaker 2>Like to beat my ass anyway, I appreciate you for

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<v Speaker 2>pulling up man, appreciate you for having me back there.

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<v Speaker 2>It is you already know fire