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Speaker 2: let's get to the interview, all right, Bootleg CAV Podcast. Man,

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Speaker 2: special guests in here, John Mack in the building. The

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Speaker 2: most buff rapper we've had in here for a very

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Speaker 2: I mean it's been a while since we've had someone

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Speaker 2: is yolks. John knack in here. Welcome. Appreciate you, bro, Yes, sir,

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Speaker 2: appreciate you. What's your workout regimen, Sir? I do it.

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Speaker 2: I do it three on one split, So explain what

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Speaker 2: that means. That sounds like gymnastics. Sounds like a stripper

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Speaker 2: moved one split on stage. Motherfuckers make a raine. What

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Speaker 2: does that mean?

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Speaker 1: Niggas said, I have magic Mike. So look, it's like, uh,

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Speaker 1: it's so three day. So let's say my my split

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Speaker 1: start Monday, right, So Monday, push pool, Tuesday legs, Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: push puol, Thursday off, then Fridays start over, push pool,

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Speaker 1: Saturday legs, Sunday push pull, Monday off.

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Speaker 2: You get it. So push puol is you do back

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Speaker 2: and chest on the same day, So yeah, I do buy.

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Speaker 1: I do biceps in chests on the same day, and

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Speaker 1: then I do back, shoulders and triceeps on the Thursday, okay,

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Speaker 1: and then legs on the second day and then fourth

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Speaker 1: day rest. But like so legs get their own day

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Speaker 1: all the time. Yeah for sure, that every time, bro.

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Speaker 1: So basically I really be in a gym like six

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Speaker 1: seven days a week. Yeah, forel me like six days

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Speaker 1: a week because it's three on one so which you go.

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Speaker 2: You're are you here in La? Are you in the bay? No,

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Speaker 2: I'm in the bay. Okay, okay, Yeah, you surprised they

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Speaker 2: have the hav't bited the gym yet taking all the

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Speaker 2: fucking equipment. Little niggas crazy. Yeah, what's going on? Man?

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Speaker 2: Look you're from Oakland. Uh. The only in and out

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Speaker 2: is in Oakland. Yeah. Uh, what's happening out there? Man? Bro?

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Speaker 1: And they was spinning close, they got they got the

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Speaker 1: canes out there. I think in Berkeley, Berkeley.

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Speaker 2: Is not that's different, right, Yeah, but it's they you know,

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Speaker 2: it's it's close enough for me. And they was goinna

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Speaker 2: close that down too. I don't know them. Little niggas

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Speaker 2: just ignorant, Bro. They're hungry. Niggas don't want a job,

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Speaker 2: niggas don't want to feel me, so they rather just steal. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It feels like uh. In like l A, we have

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Speaker 2: fetanahl and homeless people. And in the Bay you you

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Speaker 2: have fetanah homeless people and exactly show have you been bipped? Nah?

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Speaker 2: By a grace of God, thank God, you're not stupid

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Speaker 2: enough to leave anything in your car no, he'll no.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll be moving around a lot though, So sometimes

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Speaker 1: I had something in there like feel me.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I got you know, you know John Coston.

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Speaker 2: Everyone knows John Coston, the oldest youngest guy in the Bay.

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Speaker 2: He's got like this really bad hairline. I might maybe

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Speaker 2: if I seen him. Yeah, if you if you've seen him,

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Speaker 2: you would know him. He lives in the Valinci here

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Speaker 2: fox Sake, but he leaves like his like his trunk open. Oh,

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Speaker 2: so he can let him know, like, bro, there's nothing

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Speaker 2: in here. Yeah, like leave me alone. I don't have

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Speaker 2: broken window and there's nothing in exactly.

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Speaker 1: That's what you do. You lead the what is it

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Speaker 1: the arm rest? You lead that open, and then you

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Speaker 1: lead a glove department open. And then would he do

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Speaker 1: in here, but I ain't gonna waste my time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. You seem to have gotten a lot of motion

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Speaker 2: out of the Bay, which is you know, I feel

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Speaker 2: like I feel like I was hearing about you, like

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Speaker 2: of the people from the Bay you hear about them

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Speaker 2: because some people from the Baby telling you about him, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so you've caught you caught a couple of records that

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Speaker 2: been going crazy, but uh while being independent, Yeah, absolutely, absolutely,

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Speaker 2: like fully independent. Yeah. Like there's like people who are

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Speaker 2: you're like independent independent like distrc kid independent yep, yep,

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Speaker 2: I upload my own shit. Yeah. So what do you

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Speaker 2: think is kind of like the secret to like your success,

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Speaker 2: Like things that you've been able to kind of do

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Speaker 2: that you know, you feel like have worked for you

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Speaker 2: outside of making good music, Uh, to be honest, consistency.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I just keep dropping, I keep dropping,

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Speaker 1: of the game before anything, So like I study like

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Speaker 1: the popular music right now. I study certain ship and

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Speaker 1: how certain shit go viral or what song go viral,

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Speaker 1: tiktoks to the song, and then I just cater to

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Speaker 1: that in a way, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: So you're you're like, for example, like this new record

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Speaker 2: you got, Natalie just jumped on the remix, was that

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Speaker 2: a record you like intentionally made, Like, Yo, this shit's

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Speaker 2: gonna go absolutely thousand. This is the formula I know.

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Speaker 2: I know how to make this work on these platforms.

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Speaker 1: Yep, absolutely absolutely, And it's crazy, right because shout out

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Speaker 1: shout out Natalie none too. But like when I made

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Speaker 1: the record, I was in it. I was in the

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Speaker 2: And uh and uh.

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Speaker 1: I made it all right there, and I'm like, all right, bro,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm gonna let it. I'm gonna let the second.

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Speaker 2: Floor the hook breathe, bro, and add add.

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Speaker 1: The camera sounds because the camera sound's gonna make them

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Speaker 1: pose when I say posed for me, right, So I'm like, bro,

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Speaker 1: it's TikTok right here. And then I did it, and

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Speaker 1: then I dropped it. It start going viral. I wrapped

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Speaker 1: it on Instagram first. It did like six hundred thousand

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Speaker 1: of me just wrapping in the car, right, and I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm about to drop it.

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Speaker 2: So I dropped it.

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Speaker 1: When I drop it, it's start going viral, right, And

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Speaker 1: then Natalie tapped in with me. And so when Natalie

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Speaker 1: like you did a video to it, I'm like, nah,

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Speaker 1: I didn't she like let me jump on it. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: all right, bet, she like write me a verse, feel me?

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Speaker 2: So you wrote verse yep.

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Speaker 1: So I went to the lab and then I'm in

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Speaker 1: a stool when I when I make her verse, and

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of like like TikTok shit. That's

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Speaker 1: why I'm saying this because I'm piggybacking off the TikTok shit.

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Speaker 1: But I'm in a stool and I'm thinking of like

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Speaker 1: TikTok shit that I make the girls like go crazy, right,

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I got to

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Speaker 1: like feel themselves as fat, slim diick no, tell me

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Speaker 1: you feel me, and that's something that that they eat up.

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Speaker 1: So I'm like, yeah, that's hard. And then come on

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Speaker 1: with a chant feel me. And that's when that's when

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Speaker 1: that baddies, you know what I'm saying. And so then

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Speaker 1: when I made it, bro, I kid you not. I

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Speaker 1: told my brothers and my engineer. I'm like, bro, I

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Speaker 1: guarantee you this go viral. I promise, bro, I promise.

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Speaker 1: They're like all right, Bro, it's good let's see feel

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Speaker 1: me right, we drive that motherfucker did numbers. Shout out

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Speaker 1: Natalie too, she'd go, she got, she got a following man?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? For show, Yeah, I feel like people be underrating,

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Speaker 2: like people fuck with Natalie, they do she got. I

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Speaker 2: don't even know what show she'd be on because I

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Speaker 2: don't watch that of that ship, but I just know

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Speaker 2: she fuck you book her out a club. People come

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Speaker 2: go crazy for it too. For sure. For show. Yo,

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Speaker 2: that's crazy because I feel like there's like a uh,

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Speaker 2: there's like a thin line between like doing something like

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Speaker 2: on purpose, like I guess you would say like you

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Speaker 2: would always hear like certain artists say, when you chase

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Speaker 2: a hit, it never it comes across integrator inorganic as

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Speaker 2: opposed to when you just do it organically and then

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Speaker 2: it happens to be it. Right, So you're kind of

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Speaker 2: doing like you're you're kind of walking the thin line

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Speaker 2: because would slow it down like for you because that's

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Speaker 2: all I mean, that's two years old, right, So it's

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Speaker 2: like for a record like that, was that something that

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Speaker 2: was it a record that just kind of took off?

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Speaker 2: It was a record that just took off. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So like at that time, I was just recording like

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Speaker 1: hell of different shit, and that one I just recorded,

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Speaker 1: I wasn't even gonna drop it, and I didn't like it.

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Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, at first I did not like it.

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Speaker 1: I recorded it and it was supposed to be a

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Speaker 1: second verse on it, but I told my engineer, I'm like, bro,

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Speaker 1: just just just render this, just bounce this shit out

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Speaker 1: and then just send it to me very it's good,

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Speaker 1: Like I'm cool, I'm not even feeling it. And then

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Speaker 1: we bounced it out. I ended up keeping it. All

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Speaker 1: My people around me was like, bro, that's a banger.

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Speaker 1: Bro dropped this.

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Speaker 2: I'm like real, They're like, yeah, wrote the fuck send

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Speaker 2: this to me.

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Speaker 1: So then I ended up dropping it on a time

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Speaker 1: where I needed something to drop, and I just dropped

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Speaker 1: the MP three with a lyric video, and that motherfucker

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Speaker 1: went fire.

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Speaker 2: Roy a year later, a year later, a year later,

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Speaker 2: what the fuck that shit it was? You already move

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Speaker 2: off of it because it was already out, Like you

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Speaker 2: were like, man, it's.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it just came back yeah, like like but

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Speaker 1: it was like one of it was one of those

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Speaker 1: things to where you know, you check your U yo. Uh,

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Speaker 1: what is it Apple for artists is Spotify artists? So

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Speaker 1: it was always at the top in one of my

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Speaker 1: top stream songs, right, So I see I added in

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Speaker 1: little videos when I do certain ship, certain highlights with

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Speaker 1: my cousins or something, I put the song behind it

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Speaker 1: and ship and then that motherfucker just ended up picking

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Speaker 1: up catching steam And I'm like.

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Speaker 2: What the fuck? That's crazy? Wow, Yeah, that's crazy how

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Speaker 2: that works, man, especially with like the internet, Like you

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Speaker 2: have a two year old song that just goes fucking crazy.

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Speaker 2: How many remix did you did you end up doing

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Speaker 2: with that record? Like a hundred?

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Speaker 1: I know it was pretty no babies on one Mazi

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Speaker 1: Mike Sherm uh heen busy damn, And I think I

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Speaker 1: think that's it.

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Speaker 2: That's that's a lot. Yeah, that's like five. So between

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Speaker 2: like all of the remixes, which one did the best? Uh,

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Speaker 1: me too. I don't be wanting people to think my

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Speaker 2: With like two extra right, that's different for sure, something

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Speaker 2: just straight singles. Yeah. Have you been able to connect

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Speaker 2: Like yeah, it's pretty crazy. Honestly, it's interesting. I went

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Speaker 2: Drove, push pushed through all man. I'll tell you that

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Speaker 2: Beta La drive is interesting. Yeah, because it's like cool,

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Speaker 2: Oh god for show? That shit crazy for you? Man?

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Speaker 2: Is there anybody who is because I always feel like

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Speaker 1: Uh? He's super underrated. One take Jay, Yeah that's my boy.

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Speaker 2: He was just up here. Yeah, Yeah, that's my boy.

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Speaker 1: And like Kaylyn, I fuck with Kaylan shit heavy too

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Speaker 2: And would you say most of your fans are chicks? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: there been someone who's done a TikTok to one of

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah Kylie Jenner, Kylie did a TikTok? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Kylie ye, Kylie was one, and I was like, god damn.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, absolutely, that's everybody was in my in my

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I always wonder because to me, that's like

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Speaker 2: like it's like, well, those video game companies they usually

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying, So, like you're like super stripped down independent.

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Speaker 1: That's because it comes with resources for sure, So if

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's fair. I want to be in two

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Speaker 2: shows love to the bay. Yeah, I don't know, but yeah, yeah, Yo,

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Speaker 2: Really yeah, just like a thing that you're owning. Yep.

425
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Speaker 1: So I've been doing it since I was in like elementary,

426
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Speaker 1: Me and my little brother, my mom been keeping our sideburns,

427
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Speaker 1: but it was a little different. Obviously it wasn't like this.

428
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Speaker 1: But when I start getting when I start getting this,

429
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Speaker 1: I'm like, nigga, I'm not cutting my sideburns. I've been

430
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Speaker 1: keeping these forever. So for me, this me So when

431
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Speaker 1: you see a nigga.

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Speaker 2: With this and the ice pigs, they got the John

433
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Speaker 2: Mack Yeah for shure, that's fair. For show there it is. Man,

434
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Speaker 2: Well look congrats on everything. Yo. You're killing it independently

435
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Speaker 2: and that's that's a lot. And and you know like

436
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Speaker 2: I said, there's a lot of people from the Bay

437
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Speaker 2: and they're independent ish for sure. It's you independent as fuck.

438
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, uh that that shit's dope to see, man,

439
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Speaker 2: So keep keep keep on keeping.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: I know you got a new record out, uh yeah,

442
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Speaker 2: and then I'm assuming you just got more singles coming.

443
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Speaker 2: Hell yeah, hell is hit. My question to you is

444
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Speaker 2: give me some advice for other artists that might be

445
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Speaker 2: watching this. Let's say you do have a record that's

446
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Speaker 2: going crazy, is it? It's I feel like people think

447
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Speaker 2: mentally that they can only push one thing at a time. Yeah,

448
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,679
Speaker 2: so they're like, well, if my song is going crazy,

449
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Speaker 2: if I drop something new, then I got to move on.

450
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Speaker 2: That's not the case, and you could push old shit exactly.

451
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Speaker 2: So like, what is that strategy for you? Because I

452
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Speaker 2: feel like a lot I feel like artists overthink this

453
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Speaker 2: content shit that overthink promoting their own music for some reason.

454
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Speaker 2: It's just like it feels like for some people it's

455
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Speaker 2: like the hardest thing to wrap your head around.

456
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I get like that sometimes too, But you just

457
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Speaker 1: gotta do it, bro, just do it. Just you don't

458
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Speaker 1: got none a louse, Like promoting your music is not

459
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Speaker 1: losing anything. The worst come to worsh it don't go viral,

460
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Speaker 1: but we're not. We're not trying to get a viral

461
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Speaker 1: moment anyway. We're trying to get them to you know, surface,

462
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Speaker 1: towards the towards the old ship. I still promote old, old,

463
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Speaker 1: old songs, like I shoot content for everything and still

464
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Speaker 1: post my old songs from two three years ago, and shit,

465
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Speaker 1: so smart is so like it's like, now I got

466
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Speaker 1: a bigger buzz than I had two three years ago.

467
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Speaker 2: So you might be able to You might be able

468
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Speaker 2: to catch it another hit.

469
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Speaker 1: From hell long ago, you feel me, because they ain't

470
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Speaker 1: never heard it, so if they hear it, they might

471
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Speaker 1: be like, the fuck it's new.

472
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Speaker 2: They gonna think it's new and then gonna listen to

473
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Speaker 2: it and be like, oh this old.

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Speaker 1: I fuck with this. So it's like, just promote those shit, bro.

475
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Speaker 1: Even when you drop a new single, you don't have

476
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Speaker 1: to wait fucking three months to drop another one. Fuck

477
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Speaker 1: that four weeks, drop another one, two three, you know it.

478
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Speaker 1: Don't just keep promoting both. So now you got content

479
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Speaker 1: for two different songs, so you're not posting the same

480
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Speaker 1: song the whole time. You could post a different one

481
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Speaker 1: real quick, switch it up and then go back to

482
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Speaker 1: that one and then you know what I'm saying.

483
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Speaker 2: So I love it, man, Yo, artists take notes, all right.

484
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Speaker 2: Did you ever see that clip of Tyler the Creator

485
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Speaker 2: saying that, Like, there was this clip of him talking

486
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Speaker 2: about how like how crazy it is that that artists

487
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Speaker 2: are so passive with promoting their own ship. Damn, I

488
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Speaker 2: don't see that. He was like, Yo, it's your ship

489
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Speaker 2: and all you're gonna do is throw some shit up

490
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Speaker 2: ont of your fucking story on good Like, what the

491
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Speaker 2: fuck is that your music? What are we talking about? Yeah? Exactly, Yeah,

492
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Speaker 2: it's crazy. Exactly. You supposed to have like a hunting

493
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Speaker 2: post of that song, to be honest. Where can people

494
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Speaker 2: find you online?

495
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Speaker 1: On Instagram at John Underscore, mac j O h N Underscore, m.

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Speaker 2: A c KK and uh yeah, be safe out in

497
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Speaker 2: the bay man, Yeah always you know, ship, keep them

498
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Speaker 2: fucking windows down, dog, Robie under Bro.

499
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Speaker 1: I got five percent tent all around my own play

500
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Speaker 1: like that I'll be and then I don't keep nothing

501
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Speaker 1: in my whip.

502
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Speaker 2: So Stayt's Stockton too out there, Jesus Christ. I felt

503
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Speaker 2: fucking Northern California's wild. They fucking did you see in

504
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Speaker 2: Sacramento they pillaged the road Wave concert. They got up

505
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Speaker 2: in the motherfucking King's venue and they fucked up all

506
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Speaker 2: the concessions. That took all the birch out of that

507
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Speaker 2: bubal hell. Yeah. Did the show get canceled? Yes, but

508
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Speaker 2: that's why because everybody was waiting outside and his productions

509
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Speaker 2: all fucked up, so they were going to cancel the show.

510
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Speaker 2: But people were waiting until like seven forty five outside

511
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Speaker 2: and then they announced that it was canceled. Oh so

512
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Speaker 2: they just turned the fuck up. Okay, that's just that's

513
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Speaker 2: justified for sure, Ye justified. Fuck it, that's crazy though,

514
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Speaker 2: Like to beat my ass anyway, I appreciate you for

515
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Speaker 2: pulling up man, appreciate you for having me back there.

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Speaker 2: It is you already know fire