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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Breaking news tonight.

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Speaker 1: Manhunt after a Florida mom carjacked in broad daylight at

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Speaker 1: a busy intersection, and it does not have a happy ending.

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Speaker 1: Mommy's Dodge Durango found a few short miles away on fire,

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Speaker 1: Mommy's body riddled with bullets inside.

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Speaker 2: The only clue a green Acura.

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Speaker 1: Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories, and

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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: And one one day each fire a medical I don't

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Speaker 3: need anything. But there's a guy going down Eastlake Drive

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Speaker 3: in Seminole County with he was chasing the car, hit

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Speaker 3: the car, got out of his car with a hood

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Speaker 3: over his face and had a machine gun. It looked

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Speaker 3: like got in the car with the other guy and

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Speaker 3: then the car that he got out of did a

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Speaker 3: U turn. One fact down East Lake driving their head

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Speaker 3: back towards seventeen.

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Speaker 1: Ninety two, every mom was worse my nightmare. You're in

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Speaker 1: your car alone or worse with your children, and out

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Speaker 1: of nowhere, somebody behind you bumps your car. You stop,

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Speaker 1: next thing you know, your carjact. I will never forget

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Speaker 1: the first carjack murder case I investigated and tried just

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Speaker 1: out of the blue.

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Speaker 2: You can't see it coming.

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Speaker 1: This mom at an intersection, a red light, a busy

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Speaker 1: intersection in broad daylight, but from behind the next thing

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Speaker 1: you know, she's carjacked. Listen agreeing a c.

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Speaker 3: NFL east late driving tuscalottle row. But they're headed back

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Speaker 3: forward seventeen ninety two right now, And it's like, I've

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Speaker 3: got some video of it, but can you do something?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 3: Goes what's going on? No, the guy had a machine

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Speaker 3: gun and guy the guy had opened the door and

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Speaker 3: was pointing to the gun at him, and then he

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Speaker 3: got in the back seat of the car. And then

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Speaker 3: the car that was changing them to you turn and

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Speaker 3: they went back towards seventeen two.

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Speaker 1: This is a bystander, for lack of a better word,

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Speaker 1: a witness in the car behind mommy.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to more of than nine one

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Speaker 2: one call? What do we learn?

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Speaker 3: A green kind of a Kira? An old an older

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Speaker 3: model had plaster crap over the license plate so I

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Speaker 3: couldn't get a license plate number. Clearly Meanda, kinda akira?

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Speaker 1: Okay, can't you sell you?

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Speaker 4: What's haw?

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Speaker 3: Them?

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Speaker 5: West?

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Speaker 6: Men?

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Speaker 4: Are you just want them to shut that out.

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Speaker 3: I think you guys do something. That poor guy's been

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Speaker 3: held up by some guy with a machine gun.

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Speaker 1: Except it wasn't a poor guy, it's a young mom

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Speaker 1: right there. When you see a car, a vehicle going

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Speaker 1: by and they've got their tag obscured, that's a problem

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Speaker 1: with me. An all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 1: what we know right now. Straight out to Jennifer Torres,

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Speaker 1: Senior investigative reporter, golf Live dot com. Jennifer, thank you

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Speaker 1: for being with us. That's a tip off right there.

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Speaker 1: When you've got a tag obscured. Tell me about that intersection.

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Speaker 1: Where is it?

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Speaker 5: Well, that intersection is so she was in Winter Springs, Florida,

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Speaker 5: and that is considered a suburb of Orlando, and it's

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Speaker 5: a busy intersection. She was in the first place to turn,

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Speaker 5: and the car behind her, as we can see, a

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Speaker 5: man got out. It was a brazen, brazen crime to

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Speaker 5: do in front of so many people. Obviously it was

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Speaker 5: caught on video footage, but just as easily someone could

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Speaker 5: have gotten out of their car and gone over there

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Speaker 5: and gotten involved. So very brazen place to do this,

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Speaker 5: to commit this crime.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to that last part of the

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Speaker 1: nine one one call one more time. I want you

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Speaker 1: to hear what's being said.

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Speaker 3: A green kind of a Kira an old an older

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Speaker 3: model had plastic graph over the license plates, so I

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Speaker 3: couldn't get a license plate number clearly Honda.

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Speaker 7: Okay, can you say you who's had them law enforcement

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Speaker 7: or just want them to shut that out?

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Speaker 3: I think you guys need to do something. That poor

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Speaker 3: guy's been held up by some guy with a machine.

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Speaker 1: Okay, correct me if I'm wrong. Or Brandt, former US

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Speaker 1: Marshall Service and International Investigations Branch author, flying solo top

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Speaker 1: of the World on Amazon Earth is the nine one

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Speaker 1: one dispatch? What on a sleep on drugs? Watching TikTok?

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Speaker 1: Did you hear what he said? Do you want to

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Speaker 1: meet with law enforcement or do you just want them

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Speaker 1: to check it out? And the guy's like, I think

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Speaker 1: you need to send somebody out here because the victim

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Speaker 1: has been carjacked by machine gun? What's with nine one one.

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Speaker 8: Nancy, I don't know. It's it's almost like, uh, the

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Speaker 8: nine one one operator wasn't understanding what that guy was

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Speaker 8: trying to tell him that someone was being carjacked. Right

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Speaker 8: now that you know there was a weapon involved and

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Speaker 8: he was pointing at someone in a vehicle. He to me,

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Speaker 8: he gave a very clear and concise description of you

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Speaker 8: know what he's saw, and I don't know what that

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Speaker 8: Nine one one operator was thinking, like, you know, do

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Speaker 8: you want to meet with law enforcement? No, I don't

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Speaker 8: want to come down to the station and have a

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Speaker 8: conversation about it. I want you to send a patrol unit.

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Speaker 8: You know right now, you know this this person is

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Speaker 8: in the imminent danger.

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Speaker 1: And let go straight out to high profile lawyer Brian Foley,

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Speaker 1: former Chief Prosecutor in Houston and author of What Prosecutors

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Speaker 1: Don't Tell You That's Upcoming. Brian Foley, thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us. This is not a spur of the moment,

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Speaker 1: thaying Brian Foley.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to hear anything about a.

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Speaker 1: Crime of opportunity, which somehow, in many people's minds lessens

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Speaker 1: the intent.

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Speaker 2: This is planned.

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Speaker 1: The carjacker kidnapper A just happens to have a machine

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Speaker 1: gun in his car, and B is dressed sleuth ninja style,

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Speaker 1: all in black, black hoodie over his head, wearing a mask.

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Speaker 2: This was planned out.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, I think the video speaks for itself.

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Speaker 9: It's outrageous. You can't even believe what you're seeing on there.

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Speaker 9: Somebody with a huge you know, semi automatic firearm or

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Speaker 9: fully automatic. We don't even know that yet. But they

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Speaker 9: just go into someone else's car ramming it. That alone

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Speaker 9: would be an aggravated assault, you know. But this crime, now,

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Speaker 9: the way it's played out, I mean, this is a

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Speaker 9: death penalty eligible. It's the most serious type of crime

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Speaker 9: that you have manhunt.

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Speaker 1: A Florida mom kidnapped in broad deal ight and a

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Speaker 1: busy intersection. Everybody's just driving by like nothing's happening. You know.

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Speaker 1: Another issue to for instance, psychologist author of Dark Sides,

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Speaker 1: doctor Jeff Kalashewski joining us, Doctor Jeff, that moment in

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Speaker 1: your car where you're driving all alone, of God forbid,

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Speaker 1: there's a guy with a machine gun, an automatic weapon,

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Speaker 1: what's your win from behind?

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Speaker 2: Keep your doors locked.

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Speaker 1: But all that, I would imagine, just flies out of

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Speaker 1: your mind when you've got a machine gun shoved in

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Speaker 1: your head. This is a young mom name Catherine Aguavivas

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Speaker 1: right there on a regular day, a regular day, minding

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Speaker 1: her own business, and she's carjacked in broad daylight.

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Speaker 2: Jeff right.

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Speaker 10: Obviously, this kind of intensity of experience is shocking, and

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Speaker 10: a lot of people would sit back and say, well

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Speaker 10: why didn't she drive away? Well why did she open

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Speaker 10: the door? But in that moment, you don't have your

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Speaker 10: wits about you because obviously your anxiety went through the roof.

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Speaker 10: You're concerned about your life and you're in a complete

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Speaker 10: state of shock where you really can't access rational thought

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Speaker 1: Now you know another thing, Doctor Jeff Kelshewski for psychologist,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Jeff. People have different types of reactions. For instance,

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Speaker 1: different in how they respond. My daughter freezes and she's

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Speaker 1: no shrinking Violet, but she freezes in a moment of emergency,

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Speaker 1: and that I understand is a very typical reaction.

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Speaker 10: Absolutely, And we're talking about just not a common experience

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Speaker 10: like someone gets hurt. We're talking about your life is

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Speaker 10: you have no reference point for, so immediately you sort

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Speaker 10: of go into a psychological shock and would not be

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Speaker 10: uncommon for people to freeze in this situation and take

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Speaker 1: I would love to report that this young mom of

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Speaker 1: a little six year old girl was recovered safely.

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Speaker 2: That is not the case.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to Seminole County Sheriff Dennis Alemma.

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Speaker 11: Able tenth, a tot truck driver was murdered in Orange County.

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Speaker 11: At that scene, a green vehicle matching the description of

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Speaker 11: this green vehicle was located and there was more than

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Speaker 11: one hundred rounds fired at that location. One of the

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Speaker 11: rounds found at the scene were ten millimeters rounds, which

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Speaker 11: is again an incredibly unique and uncommon round.

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Speaker 4: For us to see out on the streets.

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Speaker 1: Very uncommon round to be seen on the streets at

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Speaker 1: ten millimeter round. So what does one hundred rounds fired

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Speaker 1: at a location, a green Accura, and a missing mom

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Speaker 1: have to do with each other?

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Speaker 2: Along with let me just throw this in a tow truck.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to Dave matt Crime One.

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Speaker 12: Catherine Auguas Vivas is on a road trip from her

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Speaker 12: home and homestead, Florida, which is south of Miami, to

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Speaker 12: August Vivas calls her husband, Miguel in a panic. She

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Speaker 12: tells him that she's in Winter Springs and there's a

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Speaker 12: green Acura running into her back bumper. He tells her

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Speaker 12: not to stop, keep driving, but neither of them call

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Speaker 12: nine one one. At five point thirty pm, Auguas Vivas

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Speaker 12: stops for a traffic light at the intersection at East

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Speaker 12: caught on camera by a witness. A man dressed in

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Speaker 12: driver's side of August Vivis Dodge Durango and threatens her

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Speaker 12: the back seat, forcing Catherine Augus Vivas to drive. The

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Speaker 12: eyewitness calls nine one one and more listen. Carjacked and kidnapped.

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Speaker 12: Catherine Auguas Vivas drives off toward the seminole Orange County Line.

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Speaker 12: Less than two hours after the carjacking kidnapping, witnesses near

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Speaker 12: a construction side of Boggy Creek Road report hearing gunshots

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Speaker 12: and seeing smoke. Investigators rush to the scene and find

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Speaker 12: an SUV on fire and a dead body inside. Dental

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Speaker 12: records in DNA are needed to confirm that police have

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Speaker 12: just found Catherine Agos Vivis. Officials find a dozen ten

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Speaker 12: milimeter handgun shells at the scene and the same type

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Speaker 12: shells found a day before at the murder of towdrug

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Speaker 12: driver Juan Garcia.

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Speaker 1: Okay, there's the whole issue of ballistics matches. You've got

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Speaker 1: the ten milimeters rounds found on the scene where her mommy,

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Speaker 1: Catherine Ago Vias Dodge Durango is set on fire.

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Speaker 2: Ten millimeter rounds.

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Speaker 1: Okay, before that suddenly shares realize those ten millimeters match

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Speaker 1: up to another case, multiple shells, maybe one hundred rounds

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Speaker 1: found a day before at the murder of an unrelated

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Speaker 1: tow truck driver.

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Speaker 2: Now here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: Anybody on the panel jumping on if you want about

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Speaker 1: ballistics matches, they are like fingerprints. There's only one why.

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Speaker 9: That's right, and the striation marks are just like a fingerprint,

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Speaker 4: That's been my experience. Yes, easy to get to.

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Speaker 7: Also y fingerprints definitely, even identical twins are going to

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Speaker 1: Don't even start with me on identical twins. I had

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Speaker 1: a carjack murder triple aggravators salted pod shop. The big

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Speaker 1: But that said, let me go to Brian Foley, joining

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Speaker 1: prosecutor in Houston, Brian dental records, dental schmeckords, doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: You can show a jury my mouth, my teeth, and

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Speaker 1: They don't care. They want DNA, Brian Foley, They've watched

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Speaker 1: too much TV. They're smarter than all of us put together.

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Speaker 1: You better give them DNA on a silver platter, Folly. Yeah.

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Speaker 9: You know, ever since I've really been practicing law, juries

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Speaker 1: Kalashevsky forensic psychologist. Doctor Jeff, did you see all the

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Speaker 2: Are they blind? Are they just living going through life

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Speaker 1: They don't notice there's a guy out on the crosswalk

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, thank Heaven, the one guy behind I

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Speaker 1: But if it hadn't been for that one guy, we

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Speaker 1: What I get All the people just going by don't

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Speaker 10: In the history of social psychology, they used to do

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Speaker 1: The terrifying moment a beloved wife and mom is carjacked

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Speaker 1: at a busy intersection broad day light outside of Orlando tonight,

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Speaker 1: we're chasing the clues manhunt after this Florida mom kidnapped

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Speaker 1: at the busy intersection. Right now, the only clue police

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Speaker 12: Listen, the search for the green Accura ends after investigators

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Speaker 12: The same green car, according to police, was at the

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Speaker 1: But there's something very unique about this particular green Accura.

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Speaker 6: What's unique about the two thousand and two Green Accurate

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Speaker 4: They were only three in the state of Florida, two.

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Speaker 6: Had been salvaged, and only one existed in the state

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Speaker 11: The car was backed in Parky legally probably had no

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Speaker 12: Investigators tracked the car from a family that traded it

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Speaker 1: Okay, now we're getting somewhere, But did you hear that tortuous,

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Speaker 2: Okay, so they see the green.

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Speaker 1: Acura on the video, the good Samaritan takes Okay. Then

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Speaker 1: they find out there are only three such Green Accuras

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Speaker 1: about this, Polly, isn't it true? Like we always hear

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Speaker 1: There are also full a full fleet of car theft detectives.

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Speaker 1: Don't pooh poo it because car thefts, car jackings, theft

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Speaker 1: Vehicles now have the test, specially land rovers or utility

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Speaker 1: vehicles have now moved the tag slot over to the left.

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Speaker 1: It's not in the center anymore. I mean, there's just

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Speaker 1: subtle changes. And that's what we needed right here with

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Speaker 1: this Green Accurate.

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Speaker 2: We needed that.

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Speaker 1: Fleet of car theft detectives to tell me what's the

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Speaker 1: model and how many are there in Florida, help me

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Speaker 1: find the car right wrong fully? Absolutely so.

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Speaker 9: Some of the most difficult investigations you can do as

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Speaker 9: a prosecutor or a police officer are for these car

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Speaker 9: related crimes. There's a lot of rules related to how

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Speaker 9: you're supposed to sell a car, how you're supposed to

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Speaker 9: transfer title. Mainly, what these investigators do is they work

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Speaker 9: with chop shops and things like that. But it's an

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Speaker 9: excellent training ground. When you have a case like this,

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Speaker 9: when you have to track down a car really quickly,

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Speaker 9: it's not the homicide detectives necessarily you're going to be

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Speaker 9: able to get the most headway there. It's going to

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Speaker 9: be these Auto Task Force guys is what we would

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Speaker 9: call them. And you know, sometimes they're a little bummed

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Speaker 9: out when they get sent onto that force because everybody

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Speaker 9: wants to be the homicide detective. But the skills they

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Speaker 9: learned there and the expertise they have with identifying vehicles

463
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Speaker 9: obviously came in very handy in this case.

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Speaker 1: Jennifer Torres, a senior investigative reporter golf Live dot com,

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Speaker 1: this is what I understand. That the car had been

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Speaker 1: towed from an apartment complex. It was at an apartment

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Speaker 1: complex without a tag visible.

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Speaker 2: The tag had been covered up, so it's been.

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Speaker 1: Sitting there for a while this apartment complex with the

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Speaker 1: tag covered up. So one Garcia towes it and then

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Speaker 1: he ends up dead with about one hundred ten millimeter

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Speaker 1: bullets around him in casings. So that's how cops get

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Speaker 1: it to start with, because they find out the car

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Speaker 1: has been towed. When they backtrack, they find out the

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Speaker 1: carr have been sold by a family that traded it

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Speaker 1: the December prior. It ended up sold through Facebook Marketplace

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Speaker 1: at auction. The people that bought it never finished the paperwork,

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Speaker 1: so it wasn't registered. So they go all the way

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Speaker 1: back to the guy that sold it on Facebook marketplace.

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Speaker 2: His name is fake.

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Speaker 1: It was Jordan LaTroy. His real name Jeordanish Toddes Garcia.

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Speaker 2: Okay, did I get that right?

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Speaker 5: Sounds right?

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Speaker 2: Yes, you're going to have to have a flow chart

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Speaker 2: for this.

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Speaker 1: But it all goes back to the crime scene where

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Speaker 1: Garcia towed the car.

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Speaker 2: Is that right?

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Speaker 5: Yes, that's correct. Right, he towed the car and that

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Speaker 5: is the car that was used in the commission of

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Speaker 5: the crime that we see happening in Winter Springs.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, A young mom, a beloved

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Speaker 1: wife carjack in broad daylight in the Orlando area.

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Speaker 2: What more do we know?

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Speaker 1: Jennifer Torres, investigative reporter, golf Live dot Com. I find

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Speaker 1: it very odd and worrisome. Didn't the mom, Catherine call

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Speaker 1: her husband when a guy comes up?

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Speaker 2: In rare answer?

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Speaker 5: Yes, in fact, she did reach out to her husband,

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Speaker 5: let him know what happened, and his advice was to

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Speaker 5: keep driving, keep driving, and that comes from him, he said,

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Speaker 5: that's what he told her to do. After that, her

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Speaker 5: phone was disconnected, so there were no further calls after

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Speaker 5: that point, and neither one called nine one one.

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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, what do you mean by that her

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Speaker 1: phone was disconnected?

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Speaker 5: Well, she turned it off?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I don't like.

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Speaker 1: That at all. Did she turn it off or did

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Speaker 1: the guy h I so carjack her turn it off?

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Speaker 1: That doesn't make sense to me, Doctor Kelschewski, Well, it.

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Speaker 10: Could have been a situation where the perpetrator told her

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Speaker 10: to turn off her phone so she couldn't be tracked.

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Speaker 1: I also find it very odd, very peculiar that nobody

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Speaker 1: called nine one one. I can understand her calling her

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Speaker 1: husband first, but he didn't call nine one one. She

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Speaker 1: didn't call nine one one.

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Speaker 2: The only one that.

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Speaker 1: Called nine one one is the Good Samaritan, and that's

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Speaker 1: where we got that video. So I'm curious about that.

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Speaker 2: But I also want to take a look at.

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Speaker 1: Her brother, who was so distraught about his sister's murder

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Speaker 1: he launches his own investigation. Listen to our friends at

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Speaker 1: crime Online.

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Speaker 12: Lewis Abrahu began his own investigation into his sister's abduction

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Speaker 12: and murder. He accessed information on shared computer to track

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Speaker 12: down the last person Catherine Augus Vivas was talking to

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Speaker 12: the day she was kidnapped. A bray who found his sister,

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Speaker 12: was using FaceTime while driving through her life. Bray You

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Speaker 12: calls the number via FaceTime and Giovanni Hernandez answers and

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Speaker 12: tells of Raye that he was talking to Augus Vivas

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Speaker 12: that day. A braid You takes a screenshot of Hernandez

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Speaker 12: and sends it to investigators.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm curious, Jennifer Torres golf live dot com. So

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Speaker 1: the brother is launching his own investigation. So far, I've

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Speaker 1: got two names. I've got the name of the guy,

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Speaker 1: the fake name of the guy that sold the accurate

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Speaker 1: I've got that. And I've got this name, a guy

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Speaker 1: that was speaking to the victim, the young mom, just

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Speaker 1: before she's carjacked. So how did Catherine's brother get hooked

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Speaker 1: up with someone in LA law enforcement?

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Speaker 5: That's a good question. I know that, as you say,

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Speaker 5: he was conducting his own experience in his own investigation.

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Speaker 5: He tapped into social media accounts. They shared an iCloud account,

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Speaker 5: so he was able to access the last calles that

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Speaker 5: she made. And you police said he was doing that

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Speaker 5: on his own. He was trying to find out on

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Speaker 5: his own, who was the last person she spoke to,

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Speaker 5: what calls were made, etc.

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Speaker 1: Now is my understanding, and this is according to Sheriff

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Speaker 1: Dennis Lemma.

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Speaker 2: There in someone Old County.

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Speaker 1: That the brother and the deputy and law enforcement were

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Speaker 1: longtime childhood friends and that is why he reached out

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Speaker 1: to the Orange County deputy.

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Speaker 2: Do you know about that?

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Speaker 5: There's been I've heard a lot of speculation about that.

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Speaker 5: We know that the deputy was arrested. He has spoken

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Speaker 5: of being a cousin to the family, but that hasn't

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Speaker 5: been confirmed that I'm aware of. So his connection to

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Speaker 5: the family, why he was reaching out to them, It's

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Speaker 5: speculative right now as far as I'm aware.

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Speaker 2: Well, question why is the deputy arrested?

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Speaker 5: So apparently he was reaching out to the husband of

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Speaker 5: the victim in this case. Who is hey the Orange

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Speaker 5: He's an Orange County deputy. His name is Deputy Francisco Estrella,

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Speaker 5: and he was arrested on April fourteenth by Seminole County authorities,

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Speaker 5: facing five felony charges related to wiretapping and using police databases.

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Speaker 5: According to the lead investigator for Seminole County, he contacted

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Speaker 5: him using a fake name, claiming he was an Orange

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Speaker 5: County detective and a cousin of the victim, so that

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Speaker 5: he could relay this information to the victim's husband. Why

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Speaker 5: he was doing that, I don't know, but it's against

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Speaker 5: the law.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So this is what I'm gleaming from what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: The victims and brother contacts a childhood friend within the department.

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Speaker 1: That friend within the department Deputy Estrella then contacts the

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Speaker 1: husband to relay the information to him. Okay, this information

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Speaker 1: regards the guy speaking to the wife slash mob just

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Speaker 1: before she's carjacked. The deputy used a fake name so

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Speaker 1: as not to reveal he was giving away investigative facts.

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Speaker 2: Do I have that right, Jennifer Torres?

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Speaker 5: That sounds correct. It's you know, still being investigated, so

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Speaker 5: there's very little information about it available. But that's what

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Speaker 5: I have so far.

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Speaker 1: Straight out to investigator reporter, Jennifer Torres, Jennifer, the one guy, uh,

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Speaker 1: Jordanish Garcia has been arrested.

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Speaker 5: Correct, Yes, he has been arrested on unrelated charges. He's

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Speaker 5: a person of interest in this case and they're currently

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Speaker 5: questioning him or they have been questioning him since the

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Speaker 5: rest on Friday.

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Speaker 1: This is what I know. Jordanish Garcia was identified after

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Speaker 1: his cell phone matches up to the cell phone of

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Speaker 1: a person who purchased the green Accura that was seen

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Speaker 1: ramming Catherine. So we've got Jordanish Garcia's cell phone calling

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Speaker 1: the person that sold the Accura. That's how we've got

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Speaker 1: him connected to the Accura.

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Speaker 2: But that's not all.

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Speaker 1: During a deputy's conference, we see his Jordanish Garcia's Facebook

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Speaker 1: profile picture placed side by side with a screenshot of

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Speaker 1: the video showing the armed car shack hold it, and

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Speaker 1: he is wearing the same identical clothing. Look at this idiot,

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Speaker 1: if I'm so bold to call him that, Jordanish Garcia,

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Speaker 1: the carjack killer. According to police, there he is in

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Speaker 1: his Facebook profile picture. He's wearing the same outfit, the

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Speaker 1: same hoodie with the golden blazon on the front, the

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Speaker 1: same hat, the same face covering, the same mask covering.

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Speaker 1: And he's got it as his face book profile. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that wasn't hard. Now we have breaking news that has happened.

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Speaker 1: As we went to air to Jennifer Torrez, I understand

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Speaker 1: that literally in the last minutes, the other suspect, Joel Hernandez,

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Speaker 1: has turned himself in.

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Speaker 5: Yes, that's correct. Apparently last night he turned himself in.

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Speaker 5: He has an active warrant for fentanyl trafficking and marijuana

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Speaker 5: with intent to sell. So as of right now, he

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Speaker 5: is scheduled to make his first appearance today at two pm.

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Speaker 5: So they didn't really send any other information other than

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Speaker 5: his booking photo.

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Speaker 2: This is what we know Simonole County.

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Speaker 1: Giovanni Joel Hernandez turns himself in at the John E.

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Speaker 1: Polk CI Correctional Institute on a warrant for fentanyl trafficking

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Speaker 1: and marijuana. Okay, this guy is the second perp. How

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Speaker 1: do we know cell Phone records I believe are going

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Speaker 1: to connect him back. Are there fingerprints at the scene

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Speaker 1: of the Dodge Durango fire? I can guarantee you this

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Speaker 1: out to you, Brian Foley. Somebody's going to turn on

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Speaker 1: the other. But I don't know that police even need it.

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Speaker 1: After that side by side matchup, I had a drug

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Speaker 1: trafficker show up in court in the same red leather outfit,

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Speaker 1: jacket and pants he was wearing the night of the crime.

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Speaker 1: It was described by witnesses any warrant to court.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's like she and a fish in a barrel.

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Speaker 1: Foley, I've seen that too.

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Speaker 9: There's a there's some video footage of people showing up

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Speaker 9: to court in the same outfit that is used in

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Speaker 9: the crime. Clothing items are used all the time by

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Speaker 9: police and detectives in this kind of identification process.

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Speaker 1: Er Brandt former US Marshall who hunts down felons all

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Speaker 1: around the world. This actually happens a lot. They're wearing

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Speaker 1: the same clothes right down to a tee.

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Speaker 8: That's correct, Nancy. In Las Vegas, we investigated a lot

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Speaker 8: of a series of armed robberies in the casinos, and

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Speaker 8: how we put them together was the armed robbery used

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Speaker 8: the exact same clothes in all of the robberies. Then

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Speaker 8: when we identified the vehicle and we got them the

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Speaker 8: exact same clothes we're in the trunk of the vehicle.

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Speaker 8: It's like they don't think at all when it comes

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Speaker 8: to their clothing.

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Speaker 1: You know, Doctor Eric Eason joining us for now pathologist

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Speaker 1: doctor Ethon. Even though we believe her body was charred,

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Speaker 1: can a rape kit still be performed?

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Speaker 2: I'm curious if one or.

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Speaker 1: Both of the alleged purpse raped or tortured this young mom.

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Speaker 4: You can still try it and collect the smons.

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Speaker 7: I just don't know if you want to get anything

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Speaker 7: from it, but you can still at least try, you know,

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Speaker 7: fingernail clippings. You know, then the fingertips are to be

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Speaker 7: going to be destroyed. You know, you can still do

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Speaker 7: the swabs.

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Speaker 1: And try from the vagina, the inside of the mouth,

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Speaker 1: and the rectum. Well, we'll find out if this progresses

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Speaker 1: any further, that's going to take a very, very skilled

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Speaker 1: medical examiner to make that type of an assessment with

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Speaker 1: a charred body. The good news two defendants now in custody,

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Speaker 1: one just happening in the carjack and murder of this

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Speaker 1: young mom. But in the end, I felt this many

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Speaker 1: times in court. We may get justice, but everybody's going

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Speaker 1: to leave that courtroom with a broken heart. A six

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Speaker 1: year old little girl still is calling out for mommy.

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Speaker 1: We stop and remember American hero police officer Joseph McKinney,

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Speaker 1: just twenty six years old, shot in the line of duty,

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Speaker 1: leaves behind his young wife and family. American hero police

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Speaker 1: Officer Joseph McKinney from Memphis, Tennessee. I want to thank

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Speaker 1: all of our guests for being with us tonight, but

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Speaker 1: especially to you for being with us tonight and every night.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off, good night, San