WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 021922 Is Melanin a Threat? (Part 2) 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:06.000 And now watching my mic back, you're like that. 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:12.680 Strike waters from headquarters behind. 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:15.280 And if you're just tuning in the civic cipher, I 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:17.400 am your host, Ramses Josh, you are. 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:20.920 Still working on my night. Well, I'll let you guys 0:00:20.960 --> 0:00:22.200 know I'm still working on it. 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:25.640 Well from me, I'm joined by c Wood, the one 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:27.640 and only, And be sure to stick around because we've 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:29.920 got a lot more to talk about. We're still going 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:37.040 to talk about how melanin is a threat somehow, and 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:39.680 of course we're gonna get into our way black history 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:45.400 fact uh about the African Dodger game that was and 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:50.760 still a variation is found at carnivals. It's pretty interesting 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:54.639 and pretty sad and barbaric, as many of our way 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:59.120 Black history facts are. But first, let's discuss how to 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:06.119 become a better ally, so one of the things. Normally 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:07.920 I have these things a little bit more flesh out 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:12.680 for you, our listener, but today we're going to keep 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:15.800 it simple. You and I. We do a lot of 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:19.600 show prep for the show. We take twenty to thirty 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:22.600 percent of the happenings that come our way in a 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:25.280 given week, and we try to make a program out 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:26.959 of it and try to fit as much into it 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:32.640 as we can. There's one person that has come up 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:37.720 very consistently, and we can't share all of his brilliant 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:42.280 thoughts and his brilliant takes on some of the goings 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:45.759 on in the United States with respect to black people 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:49.520 and other social issues. So I implore you to check 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:56.360 out his TikTok, Twitter and Instagram. It's at Tizzy e 0:01:56.440 --> 0:01:59.680 n T. That's ti zz Y e n T. The 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:02.880 guys name is Michael. He seems like a middle aged 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:10.240 white man, which is a perspective that we feel is 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:15.680 necessary for us to have a conversation, you know, to 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:21.200 have a conversation. He obviously views life through that lens, 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:23.120 but also it seems to be a very fair man. 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:25.360 It's hard to pin whether or not he's a conservative 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:27.360 or a liberal in his beliefs, but he does seem 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:30.600 to be very measured and his thoughts are very well 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:35.360 fleshed out. Most recently, he had a video about why 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:41.400 you can't be proud of being white, and he explains 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:43.400 it brilliantly. It's not that you can't be proud to 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:46.760 be Scottish or Irish, journey that sort of stuff, but 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:49.440 white is a color and black is a color as well, 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:53.440 but black because of slavery. It's not like many black 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:56.960 people know exactly where in Africa they hail from, and 0:02:57.040 --> 0:02:59.960 so black as a term is not necessarily the opt 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:01.880 sit of white. And then he talks about the roots 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:06.840 of you know, white power versus black power and so forth, 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:08.440 and really makes it an interesting case where it. So 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:11.919 once again, follow at Tizzy e n T on TikTok, 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:16.320 Instagram or Twitter, get some additional perspective in your life 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:20.560 and become a better ally. And of course we share 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:22.360 a lot of his stuff as well, so follow us 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:25.800 on our social media at Civic Cipher. If you can't 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:33.239 remember at Tizzy e n T now Q is melan 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:33.840 In a threat? 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:49.480 Yes, I won't even elaborate, I won't even expound, Yes, 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:54.760 clearly and absolutely according to our country tizsm. 0:03:54.520 --> 0:04:04.680 V Hannibal Burris. I watch a lot of stand up. 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:09.280 Hannibal Burris has a stand up where he tells a 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:13.680 story about jaywalking in Canada and the police tried to 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:15.560 make a big deal out of it, and he's like, 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:17.400 what do you mean? Do you want me to give 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:19.560 you some money or something? And then he says something 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:22.960 I'll never face says jaywalking is a fantasy crime, and 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:24.880 I thought that was the funniest thing in the world. 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:29.320 But I wanted to start this segment off with that quote, 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:34.360 jaywalking is a fantasy crime from Hannibal burs I'm gonna 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:41.280 read this headline to you, and obviously there's a little 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:42.600 bit more of a story here, but I just want 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:45.320 to read the headline and let that sit for a minute. 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:50.760 This is from the grioh Okay da clears deputy who 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:55.960 killed black man after suspected jaywalking. Orange County prosecutors ruled 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:59.200 that Deputy Eduardo Durand was justified in his shooting of 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:10.839 a homeless black man. That is the headline that's heavy 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:13.640 right now. A lot of people are going to say, well, 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:18.600 what did he do? There's the justice system works most 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:20.120 of the time, So how in the world did this 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:26.800 officer get cleared if you know, the homeless man did 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:32.240 nothing wrong, if it was only jaywalking, Well, we'll get 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:34.920 into that. But the point I want to make now 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:39.120 and then once we get into it, is that jaywalking 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:42.760 is a fantasy crime. But is it a fantasy crime 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:47.239 if you have melanin in your body, in your skin? 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:47.880 Right? 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:50.000 I got a few points to make here, so hear 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:55.000 me out, all right, So I'll read and give you 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:58.480 the nuance in the context here. Because I don't want 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:03.799 to be unfair to police the humans. The system needs reform. 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:06.239 I don't want to be unfair to the human beings 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:10.240 because I don't want those human beings to be unfair 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:12.200 to me, or to my children, or to my friends 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:16.760 or my family. So here we go. In Orange County, 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:19.640 sheriff who fatally shot an unarmed, homeless black man in 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:22.880 twenty twenty will not be facing criminal charges, according to 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:26.040 the District Attorney's office and dash cam footage released to 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:30.320 the public, Deputies Eduardo Duran and Jonathan Israel are seen 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:37.440 following forty two year old Kurt Andreas Reinhold, who is 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:43.400 now deceased, in their police cruiser before stopping him on 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:49.680 suspicion of jaywalking in a San Clemente neighborhood. Now I 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:55.200 want to stop there for a second, because that suspected 0:06:55.279 --> 0:07:01.279 jaywalking is a lot of us who have that melon 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:04.240 and we call that harassment. We call that being black 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:09.800 and nearby, black and nearby, that's the phrase. I was 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:12.600 just black and nearby, and the police hit me up. Right, 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:16.800 or the police were harassing me, they were bothering me, right, 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:19.000 that's a fan that I didn't do it, that the 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:22.520 world will still turn. You know, I've caused no harm 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:24.040 to and I get that. You know, they have to 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:27.360 enforce the laws, but how does someone end up dead? Okay, 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:28.080 jump into. 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:32.680 They couldn't even trump up the suspicion crazy right now. 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:35.800 I couldn't stop him like y'all have, don't the police 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:38.640 have scanners where there's like all the crimes that are 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:42.080 happening are like being said out loud. You couldn't stop 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:45.360 him on suspicion of something, you know what I mean? 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:48.720 Like the life doesn't even have enough word for them 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:52.200 to feel like we would have had to have stopped 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:55.800 him for something more. No, No, he's black. We stopped 0:07:55.880 --> 0:08:01.520 him on suspicion of jaywalking. Sure, and I if I 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:04.400 hadn't stop him, forge are you understanding what I'm saying. 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:08.240 We didn't stop him for jaywalking. We stopped him because 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:10.360 he might be somebody that jaywalked. 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:23.680 What so I suspect that maybe him being homeless in 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:26.720 a nicer neighborhood. I don't know how nice neighborhood was, 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:30.720 but you know sometimes this happens. You know, our unsheltered 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:34.240 brothers and sisters a lot of times get picked on, 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:36.720 not just by police, but by a lot of different people. 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:42.320 It's very unfortunate. But certainly if you're a homeless person 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:45.560 and a nicer part of town, you know, uh, city 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:48.240 ordinances and police chiefs and you know all that sort 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:50.679 of stuff, they want to quote unquote clean that up. 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:54.960 So a lot of people as they're traveling. 0:08:55.120 --> 0:09:00.320 Trespassing, suspected jaywalking. 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:03.319 Right right, but I'm painting the picture here. This is 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:06.920 a thing that is possible. Right, So instead of dealing 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:10.000 with the root of homelessness, instead of dealing with mental health, 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:10.360 it's like. 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:11.280 You know, we need more police. 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:13.240 There's a lot of homeless people in this neighborhood. You 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:14.640 know what I'm saying. It's such a backwards way of 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:16.040 looking at it, like, well, we should probably get a 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:17.520 place for these homeless books to go and get the 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:20.920 resources they need. No, let's get more police, you know, 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:24.080 and give them guns. See what happens, right, So anyway, 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:26.920 because now now one thing I did in. 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:31.080 The way capitalism works. Oh man, we've talked about that 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:34.520 people are homeless and it's their fault. It's the way 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:37.800 capitalism works. They would just get off their butts and 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:40.440 go to get a job. Then they wouldn't be homeless, 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:42.720 and we wouldn't have to give them a place to 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:43.760 live in resources. 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:48.640 You know, for people that think that you might be 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:50.800 listening to our voices today, you might really think that 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:54.200 homeless people should just get a job and you know, 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:59.599 pull themselves up by their own bootstraps. On this show, Q, 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:04.320 we founded a nonprofit and we feed homeless people every 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:09.280 month and we have a partnership with the shelter in 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:12.880 our city, and we go and we use these hands 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:17.840 and we make food and we feed homeless, our homeless 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:20.280 brothers and sisters, and we provide hygiene kids, and we 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:22.640 hear their stories, and we've heard them for ten years now, 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:27.600 right you So you can't say that to us because 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:31.120 we know that it's not so easy. It's not there's 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:33.960 crazy stories and everyone is unique, and then of course 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:37.200 there's drugs and there's you know, but there's problems. And 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:40.400 what you see is that there's a whole society that's 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:43.480 giving up on these human beings. And we do our 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:46.440 best to kind of continue to see the humanity and 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:51.880 to understand that you know, you're never too far away 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:54.280 from your lowest point, and that shouldn't define you as 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:59.080 a human being anyway. So one thing I didn't mention 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:00.920 is that a lot of time the police want to 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:04.520 clean up the riff raft quote unquote in nice neighborhoods, 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:08.440 so get the homeless folks out, so they'll pull them over, 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:11.440 pull up on them for whatever reason. But if you're black, 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:14.599 perhaps that melanin in your skin makes you look a 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:16.920 little bit more sinister, a little bit more criminal, and 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:20.560 perhaps they feel like they probably take more aggressive action 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:24.080 if you're black. It's a speculation, but I'm in a 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:26.160 position to do it because I have a few examples here, 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:28.440 and these examples go back all the way to the 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:34.320 beginning of this country, So I'll continue. This police duo 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:37.640 then proceeded to detain Reinhold, at one point, wrestling him 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:43.240 to the ground. Before Reinhold, they said, grabbed Israel's gun holster, 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:47.560 prompting Duran to fire two shots at him. The two 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:52.040 officers are part of the department's homeless outreach liaison, So 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:56.760 a few things here. Those officers are supposed to work 0:11:56.840 --> 0:12:01.040 with the homeless people, right, I guess the guy was 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:08.160 walking away and kind of ignoring their commands, and they 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:13.600 ended up, you know, wrestling them, tackling them. And I'm 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:16.040 just going to offer the benefit of the doubt to 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:22.920 the deceased. If you have two trained men on you 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:26.160 and you're afraid, and the full weight of their body 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:29.680 is pressing you into the pavement and you're flailing about 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:38.680 trying to find some sort of I don't know, position 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:43.880 to where you can breathe or not break a limb 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:50.240 or something, break a bone, and you know, your hand 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:54.840 ends up near an officer's hip, you know, I just 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:57.960 it's hard for me to imagine a person underneath the 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:01.600 weight of two adult men thinking, oh, the gun. 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:01.880 Is right here. 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:05.360 I'm going to grab the gun, unholster it, cock it, 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:09.440 aim it, and shoot it and be successful in getting 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:12.320 both of these officers off of me. You know, to me, 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:15.040 it's just kind of a happit. It just happens to 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:18.720 be like I'm grabbing a shoe or a shoulder or whatever, 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:21.440 trying to Hey, you guys are on me and I 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:25.720 cannot continue to breathe if this is happening, and I'm panicking, right, 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:27.880 this is just me, and I'm granted I'm speculating, but 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:30.120 if other shows can do that, then so can we. 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:32.360 And this man had a life, and it's not he 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:35.040 doesn't have that life anymore. And he was black, and 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:38.200 right now we have to be his voice, and so 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:44.640 that is a possibility in the same way that you know, 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:46.800 he could have grabbed my gun and tried to harm me. 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:50.560 Right But the point that I was making initially was 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:52.280 that he was jaywalking. 0:13:55.800 --> 0:14:03.760 Ramses, If you're as I'm trying to formulate this question, 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:06.720 it sounds crazy to say, because I feel like the 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:09.400 answer should be the same on either side of it. 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:13.960 If I didn't commit a crime and cops jump me, 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:18.599 beat me up, and shoot me, is that illegal? And 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:20.720 it sounds silly that I put a question mark into 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:23.840 that because it should be obvious. But I'm actually not sure. 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:30.320 Now I would imagine it's illegal, yes, But if I'm 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:33.080 just being a citizen, if it would be treated as 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:35.400 though it's illegal, I don't know. 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:38.840 So I mean, if I'm just being a citizen they 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:41.560 jump me, beat me up and shoot me, that's illegal, 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:45.880 I'm guessing unless I'm black and they say we think 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:47.360 he may have jaywalked. 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:51.240 Oh listen, listen, remember that I sound ridiculous. I told 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:53.440 the story before about how they hurt me and my 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:55.840 cousin when they pulled us out of the car because 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:59.640 they thought that we fit the description of suspicious characters. 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:02.920 And then they just took the handcuffs off and let 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:06.400 me go to school, Right, so that happened to me. 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:13.040 I can they always just insert some we thought he 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:15.240 was bad because he's black thing, and then it just 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:18.040 that changes it because the reason why I asked that, 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:20.320 because we're giving the benefit of the doubt that he 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:24.440 wasn't reaching for the gun. But if two men just 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:28.560 jump you and there's a gun, why wouldn't you reach 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:32.920 for it? Right? If he's justified for shooting you because 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:35.880 he thought you might shoot him, then why wouldn't the 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:36.960 same be true for you. 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:38.160 That's a great point. 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:39.920 That's the thing I'm trying to figure out, Like, I 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:42.600 don't like, I don't know how that works, because it 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:45.080 sounds to me like the police can just murder people 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:48.120 because they feel like it and then that's it, and 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:50.520 you're not allowed to defend yourself, so all you can 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:53.560 do is just be murdered. If you defend yourself, that 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:56.880 makes you the criminal, even if before the interaction started, 0:15:56.920 --> 0:16:00.280 you've done nothing. If they approach you and harm you, 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:03.320 you have to just be harmed or killed. And if 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:05.840 you try to defend yourself, that in and of itself 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:09.040 is criminal, especially if you're black. Is that how this works? 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:10.840 Because I saw a white guy hit a cop with 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:12.640 a truck and then the cop just pointing his fingers 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:17.040 thirnly at him and did nothing. So I'm just wondering 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:19.160 how this law thing works if you're black and you 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:22.800 live here, or is it just go back to your country? 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:24.960 Like how does this work? People that are listening, that 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:27.240 are hearing me get more angry as I talk about 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:29.800 this man. It was hard to not curse right there, 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:33.720 Like as our options be bullied, beat up and murdered 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:37.560 and shut up about it, or die, and that's it. 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:42.840 Because we're black, the nature of us resisting being beat 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:46.720 up and murdered is criminal. Because we're black. We can't 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:50.280 just be citizens and exist right up to the police decide. Today, 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:52.800 I feel like messing with you, I feel like violating 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:55.200 and disrespecting you. And because I feel like it, and 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:57.520 because you're black, you kind of have to take it 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:01.400 until I'm tired of doing it. To you right, I'm 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:05.720 gonna deny you your civility, your dignity, and your self respect. 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:08.359 I'm gonna treat you like crap, and I need you 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:11.160 to take it. I need you to shut up, don't move, 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:14.040 even if you can't breathe or it feels like I'm 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:18.080 crushing you until I don't feel like messing with you anymore. 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:19.600 And because you're black, you just have to take it. 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:21.520 Even if you did nothing at all. And if you 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:24.359 defend yourself, I'll say you did something, and by nature 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:28.400 that's criminal and justifies everything I did to harm you. 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:31.880 You know what. Let me offer this because I think 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:36.560 that this is some it's another point, or it helps 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:40.159 illustrate your point. It is in this country we have 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:43.879 the right to bear arms. It's the Bill of Rights 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:49.560 to Second Amendment that we are allowed as citizens of 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:52.880 this country to have guns. Now, if you have melanin 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:56.840 and you have a gun, the image in your mind, 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:58.680 if you're listening, the image in your mind might have 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:01.840 shifted a bit, you know, because if you're a patriot 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:03.479 and you have a gun, it's like, well, that's his right, 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:06.320 but Amrica. But if you're black and you have a gun, well, 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:09.199 what was he doing with a gun. Obviously, the police 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:12.159 couldn't shouldn't shoot him if he had a gun, you know, 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:13.600 or they should shoot him if he had a gun. 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:15.440 He was a black man with a gun. The cops 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:17.800 need to worry about themselves. Let me paint this picture. 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:20.879 We didn't get to talk about this yet, but this 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:26.720 from CNN body camera video shows Minneapolis officers shooting black 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:31.400 man during no knock warrant. Attorneys say he wasn't the target. Sorry, 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:32.800 it took us so long to get to this story, 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:34.760 but a lot of stuff to talk about. In the 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:38.880 early morning hours of Wednesday, February second, Minneapolis police officers 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:41.760 gently placed a key in a city apartment door before 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:44.800 bursting through the doorway yelling police search weren't. And the 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:48.120 seconds that followed, a black man named mer Locke, apparently 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:50.920 asleep and shown to be holding a gun upon awakening, 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:53.920 was shot and killed. The shooting by an officer on 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:56.359 the swat team in a city that came to represent 0:18:56.440 --> 0:18:59.120 ground zero for the police reform movement, raised questions from 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:03.480 Locke's family and others about the city's weren't policy. In total, 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:07.479 the city released fourteen seconds of real time video. So 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:10.280 what we have. There is a mere lock. Finally we're 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:13.359 talking about him. This is a weekly show, so we 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:16.440 can only do stuff. It's tough to stay on top 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:20.080 of everything. But a mere lock. He was in his apartment. 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:23.320 He wasn't on the search warrant, wasn't named, or was 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:24.879 in an apartment. I'm not sure if it was his. 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:28.040 People are banging on the door, kicking in the door. 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:31.400 And if you don't see these people, the bad guys 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:33.600 could kick in your door and say police. You know, 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:37.400 all I know is somebody's kicking on, banging on your 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:39.760 door or yelling, and as they move intough your house 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:42.320 or whatever the case is. Because I guess they weren't 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:43.720 banging on the doors a no knock, but you know 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:47.359 they're in the house and yelling. That's enough to scare you. 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:50.560 And if you're afraid, you might grab your gun. And 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:54.960 because we know that it's you have the right to 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:57.879 bear arms in this country. That he had done nothing 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:01.959 criminal at that point. And and my understanding is that 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:06.840 if you point the weapon at someone, that can be 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:11.720 interpreted as you know, willingness to kill. You know, it's 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:13.920 a gun, it's a business end of a murder weapon. Right. 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:16.679 But if you have it sort of hanging in the 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:21.639 general vicinity of where someone might be standing who is 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:26.600 not you, you know, then at what point was this man 0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:28.439 denied his right to bear arms? 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:28.800 You know? 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:33.159 And was he shot because he was black? Because if 0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:35.160 this had been a white person standing in the door 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:37.280 of his householding the gun, sir, where need you put 0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:39.159 that weapon on the ground? You know what? You know? 0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:42.359 People just I don't think police panic, at least that 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:47.280 hasn't been my interpretation of the videos that I've seen, 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:49.320 and of course my real lived experience. And you and 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:51.240 I have a few stories that we can tell because 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:53.119 we were both there at the same time. Let me 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:55.280 get this last one in and then the last word 0:20:55.320 --> 0:21:01.760 goes to UQ. This last one. Complex magazine investigation underway 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:05.760 over racial bias as video shows police handcuffing black teen 0:21:06.280 --> 0:21:10.320 following fight at mall. A fight between two teenagers at 0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:12.800 a New Jersey mall is being investigated. Footage of the 0:21:12.800 --> 0:21:16.960 incident appears to show that police who handled the situation 0:21:17.040 --> 0:21:20.400 treated the teens differently based on their race. CBS New 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:22.720 York reports the children got into a scuffle at the 0:21:22.720 --> 0:21:25.960 Bridgewater Commons mall when officers arrived, The black teen was 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:29.240 aggressively handcuffed on the ground, while the other teen, who 0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:33.080 by different reputable outlets had been called white Latino and 0:21:33.160 --> 0:21:37.159 white passing Latino, remained untouched and was seen sitting on 0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:40.000 a couch. The clip shows officers kneeling on the back 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:42.959 of a fourteen year old Kai for almost thirty seconds 0:21:42.960 --> 0:21:45.320 as they cuff him. Quote if they don't know how 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:48.199 to treat the situation and deal with the situation equally unfairly, 0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:50.040 then they shouldn't be able to deal with the situation 0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:53.399 at all, Kai told the news outlet. He added, quote, 0:21:53.480 --> 0:21:55.560 I was confused, like why they saw me as a 0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:59.120 bad person, like me as an aggressor, explaining he got 0:21:59.160 --> 0:22:02.760 into a fight because the other boy was tormenting Kai's friend. 0:22:03.520 --> 0:22:10.399 Now two people fighting, two teenagers fighting, and it's just 0:22:10.440 --> 0:22:12.800 a scuffle. No one's like hurt, hurt, you know, police 0:22:12.880 --> 0:22:17.080 run run over, separate the two right, and then both 0:22:17.840 --> 0:22:20.960 pin the black child down, handcuff him while the white 0:22:21.280 --> 0:22:24.720 kid sits on the couch. And it's on video, you 0:22:24.720 --> 0:22:27.000 can watch it yourself. And now there's this whole thing. 0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:33.600 So to me, that's another example how Melanin has you know, 0:22:33.960 --> 0:22:37.159 played a role. How melanin is the threat? You know 0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:43.480 they're responding to this. The white kid was just as culpable, 0:22:43.600 --> 0:22:46.240 just as guilty. There were two people fighting, it wasn't 0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:50.440 no one got jumped, you know, and by his account, 0:22:50.520 --> 0:22:53.560 Kai was standing up for one of his friends, so 0:22:54.359 --> 0:22:57.000 got about thirty seconds left. What do you think. 0:22:58.359 --> 0:23:00.960 If the idea was that those as were there to 0:23:01.000 --> 0:23:07.280 serve and protect, then everything they did would have been 0:23:07.320 --> 0:23:11.600 the exact opposite. The white kid was much bigger than 0:23:11.640 --> 0:23:14.879 the black kid, sure, so he would have been the 0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:19.480 perceived threat and this one on one altercation between his kids. 0:23:19.520 --> 0:23:21.840 They would have made sure the little kid was okay 0:23:22.359 --> 0:23:25.040 and that the big kid was held down and arrested. 0:23:26.480 --> 0:23:30.040 Except the little kid was black, and he was wrestled 0:23:30.040 --> 0:23:33.639 to the ground, face down and arrested with both of 0:23:33.680 --> 0:23:36.879 those cops on his back, while the big bully kid 0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:41.000 sat and watched him and then stood up over him. 0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:43.439 It's like they made sure the white kid was okay 0:23:44.000 --> 0:23:46.000 and then made sure the black kid was in cuffs 0:23:46.000 --> 0:23:51.000 in that order. It's disgusting, and we don't have to 0:23:51.080 --> 0:23:54.000 ask why because it isn't speculation around. We have too 0:23:54.040 --> 0:23:57.199