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Speaker 1: Good mornings, sir, and welcome to the No Dunks Podcast, Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: October eight, twenty twenty five. I'm Jay Skats back in

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Speaker 1: the Classic Factory two point zero and alongside me as

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Speaker 1: always go Blue Jay's Taesmos.

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Speaker 2: Jays are going to do it. Welcome back Skates.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's so good to be back with you. Guys.

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Speaker 1: Next to him, it's Matafsha Hot Boys, Trey Kirby, Hey

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Speaker 1: and over yonder over here, Yes, in the other corner

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Speaker 1: making the magic happen. Super producer jd Oops. Yeah, everything's rebuilt. Hello,

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Speaker 1: hell rat, Holy shit? Is it good to be back.

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Speaker 1: I love what you've done with the place. It's not

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Speaker 1: usually like this. I'm not only back, guys, I am

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Speaker 1: a US permanent resident. Wow. Wow, I've lived in Atlanta

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Speaker 1: for twelve years and just now am I a US

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Speaker 1: permanent resident. Not a moment too soon? Yeahfortable timing. But

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Speaker 1: what does it change? Next to nothing? What did it cost? Everything?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely everything? On Monday, we officially kicked off our twentieth

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Speaker 1: full NBA season of daily hoops coverage. If that doesn't

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Speaker 1: deserve a like or a subscription or a five star

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Speaker 1: rating and review, wow, come on, twenty years. I said

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Speaker 1: that last year. I know, but this is our twentieth

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Speaker 1: full NBA season. On Monday, we looked at the wind

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Speaker 1: totals for the Eastern Conference. Today we head out West

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Speaker 1: and we try our best with this loaded conference. And

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Speaker 1: I want to remind you guys, last year we had

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Speaker 1: seven teams between fifty two wins and forty eight wins

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Speaker 1: in the Western Conference, tighter than two coats of paint.

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Speaker 1: That is nuts. So okay, I think it's because I'm

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Speaker 1: like breathing in paint fumes still here in this classic.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's the coats JD. How many coats

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Speaker 1: we got in here? What Roberto? Do I know? We

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Speaker 1: got purple deep underneath the How many primers to do.

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Speaker 2: At least three?

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Speaker 1: Wow?

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Speaker 2: Wow?

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Speaker 1: Really tight? Yeah good? Not easy to paint a brick

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Speaker 1: wall either. A lot of crevices it is for Roberto.

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Speaker 1: Did he have a spray gun now?

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Speaker 2: Well they're in brush?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, crazy, Yeah, it's incredible work.

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Speaker 2: It looks like Roberto Alomar with that that paint brush

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Speaker 2: in his hands.

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Speaker 1: So Western Conference, let's start with the Northwest Division. We'll

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Speaker 1: go through every team here in the West and we'll

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Speaker 1: start with the Denver Nuggets and all of our over

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Speaker 1: underwind totals coming by way of fan duel. So the Nuggets,

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Speaker 1: fifty four and a half is their line this year.

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Speaker 1: They added Cameron Johnson, Jonisville Tunis, excuse me, Bruce Brown,

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Speaker 1: Tim Hardaway Junior, and the big departure is Michael Porter Jr.

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Speaker 1: And I guess Dario Sarich. But you know they have

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Speaker 1: improved this team, I think on paper, So fifty four

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Speaker 1: and a half TK, I'll start with you. Were you

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Speaker 1: leaning with Denver? This is a much better team.

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Speaker 3: This seems to be probably the best bench that Nicola

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Speaker 3: Jokic has ever had since being in Denver. The problem

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Speaker 3: for me is that number is really high. Fifty five

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Speaker 3: is a lot of wins. How many times you think

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Speaker 3: the Nuggets have won fifty five or more games with

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Speaker 3: Nikola Jokich. It's gotta be once literally one full season,

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Speaker 3: at least literally once in a full season. Yeah, the

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Speaker 3: year after the championship. Look, they can get there for sure.

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Speaker 3: I just don't really think they care about winning fifty

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Speaker 3: five to sixty games. I'm gonna go under, even though

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Speaker 3: I think that the Nuggets are a lot better than

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Speaker 3: they were last year when they won fifty games, so

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Speaker 3: they could still add to their win total three or

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Speaker 3: four wins hit the under. I still think they're one

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Speaker 3: a lot of people when we get to doing full

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Speaker 3: on season previews, we'll be picking the Nuggets to win

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Speaker 3: the championship because of how close they got against OKC

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Speaker 3: last year before Aaron Gordon's leg gave out, Michael Porter

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Speaker 3: Junior's shoulder gave out. I'm excited to see this team.

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Speaker 3: I'm excited to see what Cam Johnson brings, what new

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Speaker 3: element he brings to this team, a little bit more

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Speaker 3: playmaking than Michael Porter Junior, not quite as good of

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Speaker 3: just still going under because fifty five wins is maybe

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Speaker 2: I'm going over. Yes, they're freaking stacked, more so than

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Speaker 2: that fifty seven win team a couple of years ago

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Speaker 2: after they won the title. Then they dropped off a

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Speaker 2: little bit last year, and I just think Jokic is

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Speaker 2: just going to be hungry to get it done. Combined

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Speaker 2: last year, understandable, but the guy is freaking good to

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Speaker 2: go along with Aaron Gordon, to go along with Jamal Murray.

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Speaker 2: There's three guys in that starting lineup along with Nikola

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Speaker 2: Murray talking like he is super duper healthy as est

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Speaker 2: are you gonna be an All Star for the first time?

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Speaker 2: Because I don't care. I just care about being healthy. November,

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Speaker 2: I feel better than last year. He started talking about

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Speaker 2: He's already planning, and that's a great sign for the

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Speaker 2: Denver Nuggets, especially because Jonas is there to lead a

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Speaker 2: second unit with so many freaking guys now, Tim Hardaway,

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Speaker 2: Bruce Brown is bag another year, Julian Strauther, Deron Holmes

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Speaker 2: is the first round pick last year. Now he's healthy

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Speaker 2: to back up, So I just think Jokic won't have

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Speaker 2: to play as many minutes as he did last year,

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Speaker 2: played most of his in his career. Fifty five is

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Speaker 2: a lot, yeah, but I think they get there.

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Speaker 1: It's a good line. They usually are. It's right around

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Speaker 1: this mark. It's like, are they going to go just

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Speaker 1: But I like for a couple of reasons, you said tasks,

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Speaker 1: they have some sharpshooters now, I mean Kim Johnson is

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Speaker 1: actually a sneaky good three point shooter. Not that Michael

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Speaker 1: Porter Junior wasn't either, but he sort of fills that role.

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Speaker 1: Thirty nine I think percent in his career from deep

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Speaker 1: This is a guy I always picked a score fifty

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Speaker 1: he's been pretty good for his whole career. Love that.

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Speaker 1: And they have a competent backup big in JV. I mean, Yo, Kic,

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Speaker 1: that probably their best chance to maybe win a title

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Speaker 1: since the twenty three championship team again if everybody's healthy,

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Speaker 1: And that might happen through the regular season, and that's fine.

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be you know, fifty two to fifty three

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Speaker 1: that's a hell of a record. Yeah, that's a real record.

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Speaker 3: I mean if they won fifty three games, they would

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Speaker 3: have been second in the Western Conference last year.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: The Valanciunis thing is interesting to me.

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Speaker 3: I think this is the most overrated pickup of the

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Speaker 3: offcas He's gonna play twelve minutes a game. Yeah, but

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Speaker 3: you saw this team when Yolkic was Okay, oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: so it's true. I'm not blaming DeAndre Jordan for their

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Speaker 3: bench being Yeah, he was bad. It's got to be

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Speaker 3: Murray has to actually carry the team. Cam Johnson has

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Speaker 3: to carry the team. It's not going to be dumping

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Speaker 3: the ball into Jonas Valancunis and playing through the post

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Speaker 3: Wizards and the Kings last year. We're acting like he's

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Speaker 3: kream Abdul Jabbar coming off the bench. Yeah, one hundred

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Speaker 3: for ESPN's one hundred, he was number eighty three.

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Speaker 1: K I didn't make that list. Now that is a

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Speaker 1: bit of a stretch. I just my point is, hopefully

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Speaker 1: Denver Nuggets don't fall apart when Yokic is not out there.

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Speaker 2: So you want Yolkic to play less, Maybe he's gonna

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Speaker 2: I think he's going to want to do that. Their

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Speaker 2: second years just gonna be better. They started running out

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Speaker 2: of Dario Sarich last year. Guys time last year. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 2: I didn't know about his body type that he was

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Speaker 2: looks so he looks so slow out there. Jonas is

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Speaker 2: going to look slow too, There's no doubt. But there's

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Speaker 2: just so many more guys. Bringing Bruce Brown back. Tim

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Speaker 2: Hardaway is capable guy. There's way more guys and another year,

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Speaker 2: and yeah, I think he should play less. Yokic should

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Speaker 2: play less just to be to be ready to go.

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Speaker 2: He's still in his prime. He can play as many

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Speaker 2: minutes as he wants. It's really how much do they

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Speaker 2: want it? That's about that. About the over under number

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Speaker 2: that's going to.

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Speaker 1: Be gunning for the number one seed. No way, No,

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Speaker 1: They've already won a title and they weren't a number

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Speaker 1: one seed if I remember correctly.

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Speaker 2: But they are a scrappy bunch. I think they have

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Speaker 2: enough guys. We didn't mention Christian Brown. He's going to

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Speaker 2: be part of the unit. This is what he said

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Speaker 2: leading into the season. Here quote everything we've asked for,

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Speaker 2: everything in this locker room has wanted, we have. That

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Speaker 2: just feels like it's a bunch of guys that want

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Speaker 2: to play hard. Yokic last year, more than any other year,

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Speaker 2: was vocal and mad and angry, and that's why they

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Speaker 2: moved on for Michael Malone. In my opinion, that they

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Speaker 2: just needed they needed a change up. Jokic asked for it,

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Speaker 2: and so he demands it, and he's still obviously in

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Speaker 2: his peak powers. So it's a good number.

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Speaker 1: So you got down for fifty five plus wins. Tray

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Speaker 1: and I had just taken the under for what we

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Speaker 1: still think is going to be a really, really good team.

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Speaker 3: They did get the one seed back in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 3: Twenty twenty three, yeah, the year they won the championship.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, so twenty two twenty three, yeah that year. Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: how many win? Three wins? Fifty three wins? Okay, okay, interesting? Interesting,

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Speaker 1: So maybe next year they got it.

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Speaker 2: Hold on when they got fifty seven wins, I guess

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Speaker 2: they're a second to.

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Speaker 1: Okay, see, okay, sixty that year.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, like the thing is that they

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Speaker 3: played Valanchow and it's more it's good for them long

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Speaker 3: term in the in the playoffs, yeah, and that's really

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Speaker 3: what matters. But if he plays more, their win total

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Speaker 3: goes down in the regular season.

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Speaker 1: That's how it adds up to me. Okay, let's keep

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Speaker 1: it moving here in Minnesota. Timberwolves over under forty nine

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Speaker 1: and a half wins. Are they a fifty win team?

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Speaker 1: To test Mellis get started.

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Speaker 2: Here, I'm going over. I think this team is a

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Speaker 2: fifty win team for sure. Last year we saw Julis

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Speaker 2: Randall enter that training camp, and he didn't get it

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Speaker 2: going until literally until March found his way and that's

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Speaker 2: why this team ended the regular season seventeen and four

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Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards. You got to start with him. I don't

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Speaker 1: Last year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, again, a good line. I mean, they're bringing back Nasry,

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Speaker 1: that's gone to back to back Western Conference Finals forty

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Speaker 3: I think this one's kind of tough. Because they got

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Speaker 1: March is a weird time. It's easy to win games.

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Speaker 1: There was a time in late February when Minnesota was

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Speaker 2: He had a nice preseason possession where he got in

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Speaker 2: I guess he's going to do that, and that's why

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Speaker 1: For his career. I'm just saying that. Now.

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Speaker 1: Six, we are starting with the Juggernauts of the Western

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Speaker 1: But do you still think they can hit over sixty

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Speaker 3: They can lose five more games and still hit the over.

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Speaker 3: That's pretty ridiculous. And it's like kind of a mixed

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Speaker 1: Right, like they took a little bit of a step back.

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Speaker 3: role players Isaiah Hartenstein, Alex Caruso, and Chet Holmgren almossed

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Speaker 3: significant time fifty six games for Hartenstein, fifty four Caruso,

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Speaker 3: thirty two for Chet, but they got seventy six games

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Speaker 3: That's what really matters is when your stars.

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Speaker 3: This year they all got paid, they won, They won

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Speaker 3: every single award that's out there basically, so maybe they're

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Speaker 3: just like, yeah, we'll just win a minor sixty games.

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Speaker 1: Sixty eight wins last year?

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Speaker 3: Four teams ever have won sixty nine or more games,

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Speaker 3: So I don't think they're going over sixty eight.

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Speaker 1: I'm actually going to take the under here. I think

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Speaker 2: Yeah to me the numbers, Yeah, it's a factor here,

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Speaker 2: Jalen Williams has to get better at something like Jason

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Speaker 2: they really were they were hurt. Then, Yeah, it's a

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Speaker 2: big drop off they're literally winning six less games, six

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Speaker 1: I think they do it.

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Speaker 2: I think they they can still win sixty three games easily.

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Speaker 2: To me, I think they're just a focused bunch. Of course, Yes,

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Speaker 2: you brought up some good instances like Golden State, maybe

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Speaker 1: Okay, See, just doesn't seem like that type of bunch.

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Speaker 1: Focus is the keyword. Yeah, because are they still going

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Speaker 1: to have the most suffocating defense in the league. Probably yes, yeah, maybe.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go just under though, And you guys

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Speaker 1: They won sixty one games last year, they won sixty

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Speaker 1: lifting the Larry O'Brien Trophy. So okay, so he's trying

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Speaker 1: obviously want to do that part more than win whatever

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Speaker 1: I'm going just under. But I still think they're sixty

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Speaker 2: The difference is between some of those teams that couldn't

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Speaker 2: This team is their top eight guys were twenty six

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Speaker 1: They keep churning. They had the most double digit wins

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so well, the top guys get injured. As Trey

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Speaker 3: They're two all NBA guys were super healthy. That's the

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Speaker 1: No, testicular procedure. He's going to miss some time. Take

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Speaker 1: So we were excited for him obviously getting a chance here,

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Speaker 2: So you're over over over so far. Yeah, it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: I mean, these are all great teams.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to the Portland Trailblazers there and unfortunately for them,

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Speaker 1: Jabarie Walker out, tasks they went. They played really well

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Speaker 1: in the second half of the season last year. I

433
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Speaker 1: think they finished twenty three and eighteen in the second half.

434
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Speaker 1: So if you believe that, you think that's obviously going

435
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Speaker 1: to be more than thirty five wins.

436
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Speaker 2: But what do you think I think they'll be a

437
00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:47,119
Speaker 2: little bit under Yeah, their defense is going to be

438
00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,000
Speaker 2: so good. With Drew Holliday, he's going to be spectacular

439
00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,760
Speaker 2: playing alongside Toi Moni Kamara and Danny Ovoct along with Klingen.

440
00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,920
Speaker 2: That's a foursome in that starting lineup that is fantastic.

441
00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,520
Speaker 2: It's probably Sharp to finish out that starting lineup. But

442
00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,919
Speaker 2: don't thinking score enough? I think that's a fair question.

443
00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,800
Speaker 2: As good as Sharp has been, as good as Danny

444
00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,239
Speaker 2: has been at times, I don't know you're really going

445
00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,400
Speaker 2: to rely on those two guys to score a ton.

446
00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:14,679
Speaker 2: Of course, they got the cultural identity last year. Was

447
00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,600
Speaker 2: this defense that took off late as we've talked about

448
00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:26,760
Speaker 2: and Mickey Mouse March. Primarily, this team is just lacking offensively,

449
00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,239
Speaker 2: and I think that's going to be a problem. So

450
00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,760
Speaker 2: I think it's it's going to be an under There.

451
00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,920
Speaker 1: Were thirty six and forty six last year, so yeah,

452
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Speaker 1: they're going to be worse.

453
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the Simon's points are important to me

454
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Speaker 2: that they're gone. No, they have other guys that can score,

455
00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,080
Speaker 2: But who is your number one score from?

456
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Speaker 1: He is for sure? Yeah, that doesn't bode well.

457
00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:52,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't even say he wants to start to

458
00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,239
Speaker 3: yeah yeah, yeah, and he shouldn't. Yeah, yeah, but they

459
00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:57,960
Speaker 3: need I'm with you, there are there are going to

460
00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,480
Speaker 3: be a good defensive team with Klingon playing a lot

461
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,960
Speaker 3: more to Moni Kamara is a good defender as well,

462
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:07,679
Speaker 3: made All defense last season. I think Drew Holliday is

463
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,400
Speaker 3: going to be an improvement over Scoot Henderson as a starter.

464
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,200
Speaker 1: That guy's out right now as well.

465
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Speaker 3: I just think they are lower middle class in the

466
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,119
Speaker 3: Western Conference unfortunately, so I think they are going to

467
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Speaker 3: go over on their wins. I think they get to

468
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Speaker 3: thirty five, but I don't really see this team making

469
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,520
Speaker 3: any sort of noise, even though they did have a

470
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,360
Speaker 3: really good second half of the season last year.

471
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Speaker 1: Yeah, breakout seasons sort of, I guess from sharp Danny

472
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 1: avdya fair to say that was a breakout season at

473
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 1: least down the stretch he was putting up monster numbers.

474
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,919
Speaker 1: He was probably winning people some fantasy bast the leagues.

475
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,320
Speaker 1: He averaged twenty five, eleven and six over the final

476
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Speaker 1: sixteen games of the year, so really filling it up.

477
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,920
Speaker 1: You had the emergence of Donovan Klingen. Yeah, they got

478
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Speaker 1: a defensive identity. I like that. They sort of remind

479
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 1: me a little bit like the Toronto Raptors, like what

480
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,120
Speaker 1: they did last year where they finally found some defense

481
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 1: in the second half of the season, sort of were

482
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Speaker 1: a five hundred team. That's sort of what Portland was doing. Well.

483
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Speaker 1: Are doing as similar in the West. Going just over,

484
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Speaker 1: I think they might have the exact same record as

485
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Speaker 1: last year. I said, thirty six and forty six, So

486
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Speaker 1: I'm going to go just over on Portland in this

487
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:10,880
Speaker 1: tough division, on tough conference.

488
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Jeremy Grant factor here making it forty million bucks,

489
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 2: the monster contract that he signed, and if that's sort

490
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,439
Speaker 2: of a cloud hanging over this team. I think is

491
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 2: a fair question whether or not he starts or not.

492
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Speaker 2: I didn't mention him as a starter because I don't

493
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Speaker 2: consider him one of those top guys. But he could

494
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 2: easily start, and the offense or lacking thereof when he's playing,

495
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,439
Speaker 2: is a huge question. That's why Chauncey Bros. Brought in

496
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,880
Speaker 2: two assistant coaches that are offensive specialists. That's what they are,

497
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,920
Speaker 2: because they're so good defensively last year. And Tenny is

498
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,639
Speaker 2: freaking awesome. And Shaden Sharp has scored eighteen and a

499
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,880
Speaker 2: half last year and you'd think he'd scored fewer than that,

500
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 2: but he is. He's a machine. Drew Hollid it was

501
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 2: one of the first things that he said, My god,

502
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 2: that guy can play as soon as he came in

503
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:58,439
Speaker 2: because he's watching him in person. He's really good. That

504
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 2: being said, that's what the number is. Thirty five, thirty six. Again,

505
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,400
Speaker 2: tough West, tough freaking division. They got to play those

506
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 2: other teams four times each. That's doesn't bode well for me.

507
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Speaker 1: Okay, final team in the North West Division, the Utah Jazz. Oh,

508
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 1: this votes well for them though, that's just where it

509
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 1: falls off. So the Jazz eighteen and a half wins

510
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: lowest in the league. That's right. I guess the Wizards

511
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 1: and Nets were twenty and a half twenty one and

512
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 1: a half respectively when we did Monday Show. But yeah,

513
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 1: Jazz eighteen and a half. Brought in every guy that's

514
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 1: slow in the league. Literally the guy Downsmo, Kevin Love,

515
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 1: he's old, George Niang, that's the minivan. Nurkic maybe slower

516
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 1: than all these guys. They did draft Ace Bailey with

517
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Speaker 1: the fifth pick. They got Walter Clayton Junior with the

518
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Speaker 1: eighteenth pick. Clarkson gone, Colin's gone, Colin, Sexton gone. TK.

519
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Speaker 1: I'll start with you. I mean, is this going to

520
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: be the worst team in the West League? Yeah?

521
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Speaker 3: How many wins? Though one team always is under twenty wins? Okay,

522
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Speaker 3: And I definitely think it could be the Jazz is

523
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 3: because they're veterans that they brought in the thing that

524
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 3: ever made them competitive since trading Mitchell and Gobert.

525
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: They're bad.

526
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Speaker 3: I mean, they should make Love, Niang Anderson a Nurkic

527
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 3: race like that would be a cool thing to see

528
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 3: at an open practice or something like that.

529
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 4: Who would you be? Four bet equals That's what are

530
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 4: we doing? Are we racing without the ball from base?

531
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, baseline to baseline, no turnaround?

532
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: Oh you want to turn around? You want? Okay, Barkley

533
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 1: Bavetta style race, and then who kisses at the end?

534
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 1: Who kisses?

535
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 3: Kevin Love is doing a kiss for sure, he would

536
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,360
Speaker 3: understand the mean potential of it, and he would put

537
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 3: on Instagram the Barkley Bavetta race from back in the day.

538
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 1: Uh, I might take Nurkic, Yeah, I believe it.

539
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,120
Speaker 3: Literally his coach at euro Baskets like, this guy can't real.

540
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: Because he's the youngest. I mean, niang is knee younger.

541
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Speaker 3: I don't know, but U down and back would probably

542
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 3: take twenty five seconds.

543
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: They gotta raise it.

544
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 3: But the problem with this is, Okay, so seventeen wins

545
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 3: last year, they had thirty seven two years prior, when

546
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,360
Speaker 3: they still had some of the remnants from the Gobert

547
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 3: Mitchell era thirty one wins. Last season, Marknen only played

548
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 3: forty seven wins. I think this guy should and likely

549
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 3: will be traded at some point this season because it

550
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:24,719
Speaker 3: feels like a waste of his time to stick around.

551
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 3: The question for the Jazz is literally, are any of

552
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 3: their young guys any good at all, Ace Bailey, Walter

553
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 3: Clayton drafted this year.

554
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 1: We'll see what they're able to do.

555
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 3: But like Isaiah Collier, Cody Williams, Taylor Hendrix, like prove

556
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 3: you belong in the NBA, I think is a big

557
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 3: question because only Kyle Philipowski and Bryce Sensiba to me

558
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 3: so far have shown flashes that they could stick in

559
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 3: the league. If you're trying to develop that many guys, your.

560
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 1: Team is going to be bad.

561
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 3: I'm taking under, okay, under eighteen and a half, so

562
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 3: basically replicating what they did last year.

563
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Speaker 1: Like Trace saying seventeen wins last year, I'm going over.

564
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: It's not a lot of winds. That's not a lot

565
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: of wins. Yeah.

566
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 2: The last four teams with projected over underwin total of

567
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 2: eighteen and a half or lower finished over Oh well,

568
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 2: because that's how low they were projected. It doesn't mean

569
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 2: that they destroyed that eighteen and a half number, but

570
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 2: it's been a while since it's happened.

571
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 1: What were the Jazz What was the Jazz's line last year?

572
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 1: I mean it was low, but not this low. It's lower.

573
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: I think they were one of my locks. Maybe.

574
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Market is going to play more. I suppose,

575
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 2: as you said, he may be traded at some point,

576
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 2: so he'll be he'll be playing for that. So I

577
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,199
Speaker 2: think that boats well. Ace Bailey is a super talented guy.

578
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 2: I think he does want to be there. I thought

579
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 2: those hike videos that they took together proved to me

580
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 2: that he wants to be there.

581
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: I think it starting a guy.

582
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 3: Well over under last year. You'll never guess, You'll never

583
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 3: guess super what it is. It was it thirty one.

584
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: I was really high.

585
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, Beyond Market and Bailey, I have faith in

586
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 2: Walter Clayton. He looked great at Florida. He's a champ

587
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 2: to help out. He's an old rookie, he's a four

588
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 2: year college player. He's gonna play. Philip Hopas is gonna play.

589
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 2: Taylor Eddricks might finally started getting some minutes. He was

590
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 2: injured primarily last year, played better in his rookie year

591
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 2: of the year before that. And then you got those

592
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 2: old slow guys who would form a great race. The

593
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 2: four of them are Love, Niang and Nurkicchu just got there,

594
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 2: gonna help out and slowmore. Are they all going to

595
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,199
Speaker 2: help out? Just to get these guys across the line

596
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 2: to twenty wins across the line also in that race,

597
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 2: but also to get to well, it's nineteen. I shouldn't say, yeah,

598
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 2: it's nineteen.

599
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: So those are the objectives this year for the Jazz. Basically,

600
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 1: build build up Lowry Markinen's trade value. That's step one

601
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 1: or hope. And then and then I guess the other

602
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: objectives to see which one of these young guys, like

603
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 1: you were saying, trade actually pops and it's like a

604
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: corner stone that you can sort of like see yourself,

605
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: you know, hitching two and build something there. Poor Will

606
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: Hardy though man thirty seven wins, the thirty one and

607
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: the seventeen last year, and we're basically saying somewhere around

608
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: that probably this year at least the worst team in

609
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,479
Speaker 1: the conference. They feel like I looked last year. They

610
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,360
Speaker 1: won back to back games twice last year. That's it.

611
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 1: Right right before Christmas they went into Detroit and won.

612
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: They shot the lights out from three. I think they

613
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: hit twenty plus threes in that game. Then they went

614
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: to Brooklyn got that victory, and then in early January

615
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: they won the old Florida two step. There they scored

616
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty six points versus the Heat, and

617
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: they took down the Pallo Fronds list Magic in a

618
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: back to back situation, the only time all season they

619
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: went back to back games, all times on the road,

620
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: though I know I know that around the holidays too,

621
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: I think they caught some of these. Oh yeah, that's

622
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: the Jazz were a team you could easily overlook. Yeah,

623
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: and you got your mind on Christmas gifts and holiday

624
00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: playing travel play. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, all that to

625
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: say to give you my pick here, I'm with your tests.

626
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: I'm going just over. I'm going just over on this

627
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: crappy team. But it's so low. And I like that

628
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: stat you said, most of these teams that were listed

629
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: at eighteen and a half to just get over.

630
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, the last four, the last four with that number

631
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 2: of eighteen and a half or lower, I've finished over.

632
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 2: It's been a while. It's the twenty fourteen seventy six

633
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: ers were the last team to do that. The twenty

634
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 2: thirteen seventy six ers also or some trust him. Yeah,

635
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 2: those numbers were sixteen and sixteen and a half. For

636
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 2: those two teams, that was their over under number. So

637
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 2: it doesn't happen a lot. Okay, then we're going back

638
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 2: to the four Bobcats and the one Bowls.

639
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they were bad. Eighteen and a half was

640
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: their number. Yeah, they match this number the Cornell David days.

641
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that guy was good. Yeah.

642
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 3: Put the pull up on our who the stream team

643
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 3: who wins a down and back race the Shively show.

644
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 3: Here in the stream team says this poll is literally impossible.

645
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: Two elders, fat guy and a guy whose name is

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Speaker 1: literally Saloma. But the results of the poll, what do

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Speaker 1: you think? Is it Kyle Anderson? No, he's second.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I think Nurkic is the right pick.

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Speaker 1: I don't five percent of people go Nurkic.

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Speaker 3: Wait, Kevin Love is our winner with thirty nine percent

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Speaker 3: of the vote. Kyle Anderson thirty four, Meeang twenty two,

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Speaker 3: use off Nurkics five man.

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Speaker 1: I actually think if I vote, I think I do

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Speaker 1: go Kyle Anderson. I think the nickname is really holding

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Speaker 1: him back in it, but I think he should win.

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Speaker 1: I think once he gets going, he's not that slow. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we got a circle back at the end of

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Speaker 3: the season and see who has like the on the

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Speaker 3: tracking data. Who has the highest average miles per hours.

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Speaker 3: You won't even be able to track like their top

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Speaker 3: speed and stuff like that. Yeah, okay, well we'll keep

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Speaker 3: an eye on that, all right. So Tas and I

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Speaker 3: taking the over eighteen and a half Utah tray San, No,

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Speaker 3: he's still going under on that very low line. It's

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Speaker 3: all about a Ja debantsa. That's right for the Jazz,

666
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 3: That's what it's all about. The guy's going to BYU

667
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 3: because the Jazz owner and Danny Ainge are like the

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Speaker 3: biggest donors to BYU. They're paying him seven million dollars

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Speaker 3: I think to go and play basketball in Utah for

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Speaker 3: a year. So I think that's the entire objective is

671
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Speaker 3: to get a high enough draft pick that you can

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Speaker 3: pick that guy.

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Speaker 1: That's all right. They could still win nineteen games and

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Speaker 1: still win that. That's a great point. Yeah, we'll see.

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Speaker 1: All right, time for the Pacific is It Division? If

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Speaker 1: before we get into it. How are you feeling about

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Speaker 1: the Jays? Still moving forward here? You got this beautiful

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Speaker 1: jersey on for everybody on YouTube. You got the hat

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Speaker 1: as well. Put me in the game, you know, tough

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Speaker 1: one last night, Yankee staying alive, Judge hitting the three

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Speaker 1: roun Tater hitting the pretty amazing. But what do you

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Speaker 1: think they bounce back here? Did Judge get on top

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Speaker 1: of that ball? Ah?

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Speaker 2: That was an incredible swing. Credible umpire camera to see that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I believe in the Toronto Blue Jays. I don't mind

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Speaker 2: if they lose Game four and go home in the

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Speaker 2: SkyDome for Game five Friday night. That place well be

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Speaker 2: at Rockin'. But it's fun. It's just a very, very

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Speaker 2: fun series so far.

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Speaker 1: You love postseason baseball? Who doesn't? I mean, you're right,

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00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: I don't watch a single baseball game all year long. Posts.

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Speaker 1: Some people do not, but some people it's fun. Some

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Speaker 1: people don't like the postseason.

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess if they don't like posts, they just

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00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 2: don't like baseball.

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Speaker 1: That's what I just said. Though I don't really like basebo,

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Speaker 1: but even I have to admit, you get the drama

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Speaker 1: of every pitch in the postseason. Was that the best

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Speaker 1: game of the playoffs so far? It feels like I

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Speaker 1: feel like I'm seeing blow out? Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 1: I think so. I had a little back and forth,

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Speaker 1: a fair huge comeback by the Yankees.

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Speaker 2: I thought everybody would be excited, but Danielle sitting beside

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Speaker 2: me on the couch is flatty hit a homer in

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Speaker 2: the first freaking inning.

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Speaker 1: I get excited, man, I would kind of holy crash, yeah,

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Speaker 1: a slide.

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Speaker 2: I love John Smoltz on the call saying that third

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Speaker 2: baseman took a step to his right for that single.

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00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 2: That god, bliddy god Lattie home and then they show

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Speaker 2: it on the camera immediately it's good.

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Speaker 1: Smoltz was good. Was good last night? All right? Back

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Speaker 1: to basketball Pacific Division, start with the Golden State Warriors,

748
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: over under set at forty six and a half. They

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Speaker 1: finally mercifully resigned Jonathan Kaminga so he will be back

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Speaker 1: season d Anthony Mountain, Gary Payton, the second. They brought

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Speaker 1: in Al Horford, Seth Curry teaming up with his bro

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00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: and the notable departure is Coban Looney leaving in free agency. Tess,

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Speaker 1: I'll start with you. I will remind you. February fifth,

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00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 1: Warriors were five hundred, twenty five and twenty five, ninth

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00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 1: in the Western Conference. They traded for Jimmy Butler. They

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Speaker 1: became one of the best teams in the league, finished

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00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: twenty three and nine twenty two and five when both

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00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: Curry and Butler were playing, got to the seventh seed,

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00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: which again was only four wins behind the number two

760
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Speaker 1: seed Houston Rockets, So it was that tight. And then

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00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 1: they knocked off the Rockets in a seventh game first

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00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: round series, and then Curry got hurt and it was

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Speaker 1: sort of over. But what do you think hending into

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Speaker 1: the season forty six and a half. I'm taking the over.

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Speaker 2: I think this team is far better now that they

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Speaker 2: have Jimmy Butler there for the whole season, and you

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00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 2: can see them in training camp and Sember where Jimmy

768
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 2: is leading these workouts. Apparently along with Draymond, they are

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00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 2: going to go into the season ready to go. You

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00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 2: could hear Steph in all of his press conferences when

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00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 2: you asked about Jonathan Kaminga, he says that he basically

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Speaker 2: brushed it off and said, we're here to freaking play basketball,

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Speaker 2: and this is an NBA. There is a four time

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Speaker 2: NBA champion. I think they're going to follow his lead.

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Speaker 2: It feels like the last dance for the Chicago Bulls

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00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 2: to me, and that they're going to be laser focused.

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Speaker 2: So it's forty six and a half total, and ain't

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Speaker 2: all that impressive to me. I think they can pass

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Speaker 2: that and I don't know, forty seven just doesn't sound

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Speaker 2: like a lot. With Al Horford, the most selfless guy

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00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 2: out there passing to Steph, like those passes will be there.

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Speaker 2: They started twelve and three last year when they had

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Speaker 2: some injuries immediately, and so that's why they dropped off,

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Speaker 2: but they're better than that.

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Speaker 1: I go over forty six and a half.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there were twenty two and five when Curry, Draymond,

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Speaker 3: and Jimmy played. After the trade, I just think this

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Speaker 3: team is sold. They're going to be the first team

789
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Speaker 3: in history to start three guys thirty five or older.

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Speaker 3: They've got three guys who are going to be starting

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Speaker 3: boor in the nineteen eighties. There are a lot of

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Speaker 3: teams out there that don't have any players from the

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Speaker 3: nineteen eighties.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that four? Did they have? Is Jimmy not that? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Draymond is March nineteen ninety.

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Speaker 2: Oh I he sneaks out dream Wow.

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Speaker 3: He sneaks out of the born in the eighties barely

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Speaker 3: by a handful of months. But he's still in the

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Speaker 3: thirty five or older category. All those guys miss time

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Speaker 3: as well. That's the problem. Curry miss his time, Jimmy

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00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 3: missus time, Draymond and Horford as well. I do love

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Speaker 3: the fit with Horford. Like playing in one preseason game,

803
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 3: he looks like he is going to understand the system

804
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Speaker 3: and how to get in guys' way, how to get

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Speaker 3: the ball back to Stephan Curry, which is kind of

806
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 3: what the entire system actually is is, how do we

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Speaker 3: get stuffed.

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Speaker 1: The ball to shoot a three pointer.

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Speaker 3: I think they're a dangerous playoff team. I think they'll

810
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 3: be able to be anybody in the playoffs, assuming that

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Speaker 3: those four are healthy. But the goal for this season

812
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 3: should be to be out of the play in tournament

813
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Speaker 3: for the first time in a while. I personally have

814
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Speaker 3: them seventh in my rankings.

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Speaker 1: I'll go under. I think forty five wins. Okay, Yeah,

816
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: you're right about managing the workload. That's got to be

817
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: a huge priority the top of the roster, at least

818
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Speaker 1: in Curry, Draymond Butler, even Al Horford, which even we

819
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: saw the Celtics do and they did it well. You

820
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 1: got to have something left for the playoffs here, so

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Speaker 1: shouldn't Jonathan Minga help with that? Keep the old heads fresh?

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Speaker 1: Have you even met the plan here? Or is this

823
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Speaker 1: guy just gonna be delpy go and he can January

824
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Speaker 1: fifteen phones open? Yeah? Yeah, I mean it's interesting. I'm

825
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: interested to see how he attacks this season, how they

826
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Speaker 1: obviously Curry uses him, or doesn't this idea of like

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Speaker 1: building up his trade value even more or not that's

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Speaker 1: I mean, unfortunately, as much as Curry doesn't want to

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Speaker 1: talk about it, we're going to be all eyes on that, yeah,

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00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: and how he plays and how he fits in all

831
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Speaker 1: the postgame quotes and all from everybody.

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Speaker 2: Real no, Yeah, And they tried it last year. They

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Speaker 2: threw him into that starting roles at January they said,

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Speaker 2: all right, here it is.

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Speaker 1: Is he good?

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Speaker 2: Do you want him? Essentially, it obviously didn't happen. There

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Speaker 2: are question marks with the bench. You mentioned all the ages,

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00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 2: even for guys from the bench, he said, Seth Curry,

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Speaker 2: the other guys too, Gary pay in the second, getting older,

840
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 2: obviously getting hurt quite a lot throughout his career. Anthony

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00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 2: Melton is back entered to start the season here. So

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00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 2: there's a ton of injuries. There's gonna be a lot

843
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 2: on guys you don't often talk about, but Gee, Santos, Moses, Moody,

844
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Speaker 2: Pods will play a big role on this team.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The question is whether or not there's gonna play enough

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Speaker 2: minutes from that starting lineup.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so, so I'm going just under that's

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Speaker 1: my concern as well. They're very old and they're so good,

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Speaker 1: but like they're just old yeah, and Jimmy, I mean

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00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: Jimmy general soreness. He always missing time for sure. And

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Speaker 1: then yeah, Draymond and Curry. I mean there's going to

853
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 1: be stretches I think where they're gonna miss a couple

854
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Speaker 1: of weeks. So that's gonna have an effect on the

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Speaker 1: rest of the roster and the trickle down effect. But

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Speaker 1: I'll go just under. Still a good team, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's an old team. And here's another one, the La Clippers.

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Speaker 1: I guess they're even older when you the totality of

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Speaker 1: the team, the totality of the minutes, and the players

860
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: over under for the Clippers forty seven and a half,

861
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: Trey added Bradley Beald, John Collins, Brook Lopez, Chris Paul,

862
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: Norman Powell out a mere coffee out and Drew you

863
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: Banks out. What do you think of the old Clips here?

864
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 3: You know they got four guys in the eighties, Wow, Harden,

865
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 3: batoum brook Lopez and Chris Paul. Three of those will

866
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 3: probably start. I mean, buttoom, I guess is a question

867
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 3: Mark brook Lopez, I guess that's only two.

868
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 1: So are they older? I don't know.

869
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 3: Thirty seven games for Kawhi last season and they still

870
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 3: won fifty games, plus they added a whole bunch of depth.

871
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 3: They've got a great coach in Tylu. In the past

872
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 3: seven seasons since Kawhi Leonards signed with the LA Clippers,

873
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,439
Speaker 3: they've gone over forty seven and a half. They've gone

874
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 3: over forty seven wins five times. Like, they just find

875
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 3: ways to win.

876
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: I had them.

877
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 3: They were my biggest whiff last season. We didn't know

878
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 3: what the deal was going to be with when Kawhi

879
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 3: was going to be healthy. With playing Harden didn't look great,

880
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 3: turned into an All Star once again last season. His

881
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 3: team's always make the playoffs, so I think they'll go over.

882
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 3: I don't think they get quite to fifty wins, but

883
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 3: I could see him winning like forty. I think this

884
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 3: is going to be a really, really good team because

885
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 3: if Kawhi miss his time, they thought James Harden. If

886
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 3: James Harden miss his time, they can bring in Chris

887
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 3: Paul to be the point guard for a little bit

888
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 3: of time. They have so much versatility with Collins, with Beal,

889
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 3: with Lopez, with Zubas.

890
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: They can just play so many different styles.

891
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 3: And Tyler is like one of the coaches out there

892
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 3: who actually gets the most from his players and is

893
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 3: willing to experiment with different formulations.

894
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: I like this team just going over.

895
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's easy to be positive about this team because

896
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 2: there was a fifty win team. They lost one guy,

897
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 2: but they gained three in collins Brook and Beal.

898
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: I see they gained four.

899
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 2: Kawhi Leonard is probably going to start the season. Last year,

900
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 2: he did not. He didn't play until January. He's scheduled

901
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 2: to be playing now. Bradley Beal came in and said, WHOA,

902
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 2: that guy's amazing. I've never seen that guy in person.

903
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 2: You know, you've never seen that guy play. Petree.

904
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, if Kawhi's contract is vointed, this picture go off

905
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 3: the board.

906
00:41:58,280 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: I probably joke about it. But do you think it

907
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: will have any impact on the Clipper season at all?

908
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 1: This investigation into Kauhi and the Clippers and Aspiration, this

909
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 1: fraud company. Yeah.

910
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 2: My thinking about it is yes it will. I really

911
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 2: don't know because I haven't been around a team that's ever,

912
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,439
Speaker 2: Like nobody else has ever been accused of something like this.

913
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 2: Will it factor into the guys on the court, guys

914
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 2: who block out everything? Quie Leonard, I'm sure. I mean

915
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 2: he was good at blocking out. Probably the agreement that

916
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 2: he signed.

917
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: He didn't know, he didn't do anything for that agreement. Yeah,

918
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. Just pay me.

919
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm taking the under just because I do think

920
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 2: that's a part of it. I think that fact that

921
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 2: there's eleven guys that they're playing that are thirty three

922
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 2: or older. That's freaking old. I mean, that's the average

923
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 2: age of their guy. They have a bunch of young

924
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 2: guys that are going to come in and play a

925
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 2: little bit, but they're super deep, they're super old. I

926
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 2: don't know what this aspiration cloud hanging over them will

927
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 2: actually do to how they factor into the desire to play.

928
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: I really don't want to see the.

929
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: All Star Game in that arena, just the fact that

930
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 2: we're all basketball fans here and we may see if

931
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 2: they're if he is deemed to be guilty, if the

932
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 2: Clippers are deemed to be guilty. It's about integrity here,

933
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 2: and then they may not they may not even decide

934
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 2: on this or end the investigation until after the All

935
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 2: Star Game in that freaking arena, which is odd.

936
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: It's gonna be there in the twenty six All Star

937
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: games there.

938
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not taking away, they're probably not gonna the amount.

939
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: We're gonna play it all Star Week, Unbelievers. The highlight event

940
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: of the lake end.

941
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 2: We're gonna be hugging trees if we get to go. Yeah,

942
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 2: that's a bunch of our videos will be us hugging trees.

943
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 2: It's just weird that they won't end the investigation until

944
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 2: after February. If that's the case, it sure feels like

945
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: Adam Silver said that what are we doing here? So

946
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 2: that part is, yeah, unfortunate for me. And that's why

947
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 2: I'm in on the under on this team, even though

948
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 2: the guy's playing on this team. The Trey went through

949
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 2: the names, seems like a fifty win team.

950
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm always wrong about the Clippers. I

951
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: always want to take the under on them. I probably

952
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: will again. I'm like the whole Kawhi aspiration thing. I

953
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: think Zilla wrote that of all the players least likely

954
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: to be bothered by an off court scandal, Kawhi is

955
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: probably like candidate number one. I agree with that, Like,

956
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to impact him. To me

957
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: with the clips though, is how great James Harden was

958
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: last season. He was awesome. He was so good, he

959
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: was healthy. Can he replicate that in year, what's he at?

960
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: I mean, he's up there and I don't know what

961
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: year he's at, seventeen, something like sixteen, seventeen, seventeen. Jesus, Like,

962
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:36,760
Speaker 1: can he do that again and put back to back seasons?

963
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 1: He was super important. Yeah, you got Chris Paul w

964
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: to like sop up some of the minutes if he

965
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: miss his time. But I think James Harden was like

966
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: even I'm admitting, like overlooked last year. So I'm gonna

967
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,280
Speaker 1: go just under just under forty seven and a half

968
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: right around there. But they're there, man, I got a

969
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 1: lot of guys. The roster is stacked, like, I mean,

970
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: we barely even talked about Beale if you believe he

971
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,760
Speaker 1: can still contribute. And John Collins is a bad player,

972
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: especially in a role like Dnamach healthy potential enough, Yeah.

973
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 3: Yeah he wasn't healthy at EuroBasket, but yeah he's always

974
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 3: not healthy.

975
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: They don't need as much from him. No, that's the thing.

976
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: They don't get much from all these old guys. They

977
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: just have so many old guys. Are they like that

978
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 1: dominant YMCA team and nobody bunts to play like damn,

979
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: we're gonna We're gonna smoke these old guys and they're like,

980
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: oh god, no, they're crafty as hell. So but I'll

981
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: just go under tray the only one going just over

982
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: right forty seven and a half. In regards to James Harden,

983
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: just a fun fact, he surpassed Ray Allen number two

984
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: all time on three pointers made. He's closing in on

985
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,959
Speaker 1: more milestones this year. He's six hundred and three points

986
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: shy of Carmelo Anthony for tenth on the NBA's all

987
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 1: time scoring list, and just nine hundred and nine points

988
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: away from Shack. So James Harden is likely going to

989
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: pass Mellow and Shack here on the all time list,

990
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 1: just continuing to go up that it's unbelievable.

991
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 2: The best offensive player in the game, said Daryl Morey.

992
00:45:55,640 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: Because said Daryl all Right, from one LA team to

993
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: the other, the Lakers over under forty nine and a half.

994
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: Tasks will start with you that bring in DeAndre Ayton,

995
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: Jake Larevia, Marcus Smart, Dorian Finney, Smith is gone, Jordan

996
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: Goodwin is gone. Those are the notable names. How do

997
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 1: you feel about the Luca Lebron pairing with coach JJ

998
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: Reddick here in season number two. I think this isn't over.

999
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 2: Last year was concerned with their defense when they trade

1000
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 2: Anthony Davis. They just weren't big enough, and they somehow

1001
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 2: efforted an incredible finish to this team and incredible finish

1002
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 2: to that season without the height. And so after Dory

1003
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 2: and Finney Smith left, I thought, do they have that

1004
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 2: same hunger level? I think they have replaced that a

1005
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 2: decent amount. Marcus Smart is there, he's already practicing again.

1006
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 2: He had that achilles tendonopathy issue, but he's back baby.

1007
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 2: Jared Vanderbilt is out there looking better than he did

1008
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 2: last season when he had the guard centers. Now he

1009
00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 2: can guard the ball. So one of those guys is

1010
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 2: probably gonna start. I think Ruy goes to the bench, uh,

1011
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: and there will be a hunger level. I think enough

1012
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 2: of these guys plus some fricking height. Now with DeAndre

1013
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 2: Ayton and Jackson Hayes being their centers, I think they

1014
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,240
Speaker 2: have enough. I think there is a chemistry there. Lucas

1015
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 2: forget about how skinny he is or whatever. It seems

1016
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 2: like he knows how to lead a team now for

1017
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 2: the first time really that he's had to do this.

1018
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 2: They're going to try out Porsches. As Dave mcmanhmon reported,

1019
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 2: they're going to experience driving. Hey, you guys want to bond,

1020
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,959
Speaker 2: let's go test drive. Back Street Boys over the summer. Yeah,

1021
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 2: the sphere, Yeah, everybody paid for so cool. I think

1022
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 2: I think there's gonna be one hundred. Defensively, there's obviously

1023
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 2: they're they're really really good. Marcus mart takes the floor,

1024
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:51,240
Speaker 2: Jared Vanderbilt takes the floor. They will they that's the question.

1025
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 2: They're gonna be hungry when they're out there. But will

1026
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 2: either one of those guys get injured? Who they are

1027
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 2: prone to injury? As much as I am a Vanderbilt lover,

1028
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 2: he gets injured quite a lot.

1029
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: I love for Gabe Vincent.

1030
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just going to skip over him right now.

1031
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 3: All with the clean shaven face. At one point this

1032
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 3: summer like messed up.

1033
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: It was weird. Yeah, they talked about it. Don't worry.

1034
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: His stuff is back. I saw it maybe like Jovan Buha.

1035
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 2: So we're going over there. I'm going over a.

1036
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: Team with Luca. Yeah, the best, Yes, And.

1037
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 2: I think this is going to be the best Luca

1038
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: leader that we've seen or you know, we've heard of anyway,

1039
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 2: we don't really see him leading that much. But I

1040
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 2: think yes, I think all the recipe, the ingredients were

1041
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 2: a good solid recipe.

1042
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: Are there?

1043
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 3: What do you think Trey Luca teams haven't really been

1044
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 3: that good in the regular season. He's never won more

1045
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 3: than fifty two games in a season, never or he's

1046
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 3: won fifty or more twice in his career, despite being

1047
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 3: a first team All NBA player. The defense is interesting

1048
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 3: to me because I agree they beefed up inside, but

1049
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 3: I don't think they can guard anybody on the perimeter.

1050
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 3: Reeves is going to start, Luca is going to start.

1051
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 3: I don't think Marcus Smart is a starting caliber player

1052
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 3: at this point. Vanderbilt I don't think so either. I

1053
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 3: think they will stick with Ruey, especially since he's been there.

1054
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 3: JJ Reddick likes the guy, and I don't think DeAndre

1055
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 3: Ayden isn't necessarily good enough to clean up the messes

1056
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 3: for those guys. Dorian Finney Smith was a big piece

1057
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 3: for them last year. Their main goal is just like

1058
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 3: the Warriors, they got to stay healthy. They got to

1059
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 3: get out of the play in tournament. I think this

1060
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:27,240
Speaker 3: team is maybe the top heaviest of anybody in the league.

1061
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: They got Luca and Lebron.

1062
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 3: If either of those two go down, bad stuff ensues

1063
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 3: for the Lakers, I'll go under.

1064
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: I think they get to like forty nine ones. I

1065
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,720
Speaker 1: was going to go over until Lebron's second decision AD,

1066
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: so I'm going under now. No many other reasons, but

1067
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,399
Speaker 1: I'm going under. Can we ask what you thought of that? Though?

1068
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: I mean it was so so lame?

1069
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 3: I agree, Yeah, Like the decision is one of the

1070
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 3: pivotal moments in NBA history, certainly in the twenty first century.

1071
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 3: It was going to be parodied at some point. They

1072
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 3: did it for a limited edition bottle of Hennessy, which

1073
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 3: apparently isn't all that limited edition very dumb.

1074
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's lots of vsops out there.

1075
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, but this one says the bottle. Yeah. It was

1076
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 1: pretty cringe, no doubt, pretty corny. Tass he didn't mind it.

1077
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1078
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 2: I did not watch the ad. I watched as soon

1079
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 2: as I saw the promo. I was intrigued as everybody else.

1080
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: Did you think he was retiring or did you think

1081
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: it was I did not think he was retiring.

1082
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 2: I thought it could have been linked with Amazon.

1083
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: That's a lot of people did.

1084
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 2: It was a Prime Days just just got rights to

1085
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 2: show games. I thought that was a perfect connection. But

1086
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:50,479
Speaker 2: he is on a load management cycle here that he's

1087
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 2: never been on. He's not practicing as much with the team.

1088
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 2: He's not playing a game in the preseason. He's not

1089
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 2: playing until the games start. That's the first time he's

1090
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 2: done that. Does that matter? I don't think so. He's

1091
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 2: got a nerve ending in his a nerve issue with

1092
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 2: in his glute. You can bet your ass that he'll

1093
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 2: be fine for the regular season.

1094
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: Can you bet his ass?

1095
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 2: Exactly?

1096
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: I bet on his ass.

1097
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 2: Is there a bet the game he'll start to be

1098
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 2: at the beginning of the season. Luca's not playing in

1099
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,879
Speaker 2: games now either. He's practicing though, while Lebron really isn't.

1100
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 2: So there's yeah, worries about those guys being old and

1101
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 2: Marcus Smart and Jared Vanderbilt.

1102
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: I get. I think one of those guys is going to.

1103
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 2: Start because they need somebody beside Luca, Lebron and Austin

1104
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 2: Reeves to play the perimeter. But will they be able

1105
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 2: to play more than fifty games? That's a question for

1106
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 2: both those guys Smartest freaking Old and Jared Vanderbilt has

1107
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 2: been injury prone. Now did you keep saying it looks

1108
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 2: like pre injury Jared Vanderbilt out there, we'll see.

1109
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I go wonder because I do have so many

1110
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: questions you guys already brought up. Can they play above

1111
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: average defense? I'm a little concerned about that. Eton is

1112
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: your center, and you do have Luca not known as

1113
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: a defensive stopper, and you got Lebron at this point

1114
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 1: of his career maybe worried about the Hennessy ads instead

1115
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: of obviously giving it his all at his age on

1116
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: the defensive end. So you're going to be asking Marcus Smart,

1117
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: who played what fifty four games combined over the past

1118
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: two seasons, to return to some sort of form. Same

1119
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: with Vanderbilt be healthy. Can Austin Reeves sort of level up?

1120
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: Where does he in the mix here? And I think,

1121
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: I mean it's an improvement, don't get me wrong from

1122
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: Jackson Hayes, but DeAndre Ayton is going to like give

1123
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: JJ Redick a lot of headaches as well, and how

1124
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: he's incorporated as a huge que So I think there's

1125
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: still a good team because you got Lebron and Luca.

1126
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: But I'm going under forty nine and a half. I

1127
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 1: think they're going to be you know, forty five to

1128
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: forty eight or something like that. Just coming under to me.

1129
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, one of these LA teams are going to disappoint defensively,

1130
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:51,919
Speaker 2: I think, even though the Clippers are a Tyran lou

1131
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 2: led team and they were incredible last year, but it

1132
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 2: is a question mark getting older and how much they're

1133
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 2: going to play in the defense eve end. Somehow, the

1134
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 2: Lakers under JJ Redick were all awesome. After Anthony Davis

1135
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 2: was traded, they played improved hard for him. That being said,

1136
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 2: you know, they added guys that instead of Dorian Finney Smith.

1137
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 2: That's the big question with them is will those guys

1138
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 2: compensate what they lose in Dorian Finney Smith.

1139
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 3: I think the key for the Lakers is they don't

1140
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 3: really need to be a good defensive team. They can't

1141
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 3: be a bad offensive team. They finished fifteenth on the

1142
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 3: defensive end twelfth last year. They should be a top

1143
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 3: five offensive team with Luka Doncic and Lebron James handling

1144
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 3: most of the possessions. So I would start your best

1145
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 3: offensive players because your best defensive players aren't that great.

1146
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:40,760
Speaker 1: Right right. Phoenix Suns over under thirty one and a half.

1147
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: TK Now they did a lot. This team like completely

1148
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,240
Speaker 1: sort of changed their roster. Here. They bring in Dylan Brooks,

1149
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: Jalen Green, Mark Williams, Jordan Goodwin, Nigel Hayes, Davis, Jared Butler.

1150
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: They got the tenth pick in Melowatch there the Duke product,

1151
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: Los Bial, Durant, Jones, Lee Martin meetsch plum Dog ty

1152
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: Tywan Shington junior teat and I had totally forgotten they're

1153
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: on their fourth coach in as many seasons. Here, quick

1154
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: trigger question, who's their coach? Steve Yeah, former Calvs offensive

1155
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 1: architect Jordan Ought is their coach? I did? I legit

1156
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,760
Speaker 1: forgot that? So thirty one and it's crazy, Trey, it's low.

1157
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 1: I mean, there's still some talent here, but what do

1158
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: you think?

1159
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 3: Can't keep a coach, can't keep their arena the same

1160
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 3: name four coaches Since twenty twenty, they've been talking Stick

1161
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 3: Resort Arena, Phoenix Suns Arena, Footprint Center, PHX Arena, and

1162
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 3: do you know what they are this season?

1163
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: No? No, you don't, Mortgage matchup center. Yes, cool? Beat

1164
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:43,959
Speaker 1: you down at the Morgan.

1165
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 3: NBA team changing their sponsor weird every two years?

1166
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:49,800
Speaker 1: Is that a matt Ish A.

1167
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 3: Yes, it is a matt Ishbia project, the mortgage matchup center.

1168
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 3: You related to one of his companies, So maybe this

1169
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,879
Speaker 3: one will stick around for a little bit. Unlike their coach,

1170
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 3: but this is a sad story. They went fifty one wins,

1171
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 3: sixty four, forty five, forty nine, thirty six last season.

1172
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 3: They turned themselves into the Charlotte Hornets. I don't know

1173
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,439
Speaker 3: how it happened. They've got the entire starting or center

1174
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 3: rotation from last year Charlotte Hornets in Mark Williams and

1175
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,439
Speaker 3: Nick Richards. People were talking up Nick Richards last year.

1176
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 3: That's how weird the Hornets are. This is the team

1177
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 3: I'm maybe the least excited to watch in the NBA,

1178
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 3: not enthused at all. Thirty six wins last year, they

1179
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 3: were eleventh though in clutch wins pretty good. Actually, they

1180
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 3: were pretty solid in the clutch. I think they were

1181
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 3: maybe like twenty three and eighteen, twenty three and nineteen

1182
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 3: something like that. Guess what they traded away their best

1183
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 3: clutch player, Kevin Durant was the man leading the way

1184
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 3: for them last year. So I'm going to go under

1185
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 3: on the Suns. I think like thirty wins, and I

1186
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 3: just wonder how long Devin Booker is going to be

1187
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 3: happy to be sticking around. You pay him seventy five

1188
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 3: million dollars, so probably pretty happy at least this season.

1189
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: Give it a go. Yeah, we'll see when I finished

1190
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: thirty and fifty two.

1191
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 2: Though, Yeah, I too aim on the under They have

1192
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 2: changed so much about the roster, They've changed their front office.

1193
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 2: So I think overall for the Phoenix Suns, they're in

1194
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 2: a different direction. They've got a path set, so that's

1195
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 2: a positive for them. Yeah, I agree with that, So

1196
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 2: we will see what they can do. But there's just

1197
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 2: so many question marks on the roster. Yeah, looking forward

1198
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 2: to Jalen Green now with Devin Booker and Dylan Brooks

1199
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 2: as their perimeter guys, all three are going to be

1200
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 2: starting to see what Jayllen Green can do alongside Devin Booker.

1201
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 2: Just as a basketball fan, that's going to be cool.

1202
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 2: But but but yeah, the questions are endless on this team.

1203
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 2: You mentioned the big guys and Mark Williams and Nick Richards,

1204
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 2: You're you're starting the Charlotte Hornets centers. Really, Kevin Malowatch,

1205
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 2: they called him man Man and Duke apparently that was

1206
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 2: his nickname man Yeah, because his name is Kaman and

1207
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 2: his teammates didn't want to say come on while they're

1208
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 2: on the floor, so they call him man Man. That's

1209
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 2: what he said. So him and then Ryan Dunn Olsu Goodaro.

1210
00:56:56,239 --> 00:57:00,760
Speaker 2: They haven't really shown that they can be lead front unit.

1211
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 2: You know, the big forwards are huge questions on this team.

1212
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 2: I think it's endless. Yeah, maybe Nigel Hayes Davis that

1213
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 2: you threw out there, it was a thirty year old

1214
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 2: playing in Europe after he didn't make it in the

1215
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 2: NBA can be a guy out there. But I don't

1216
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 2: think there's enough. But they do have, like the Kobe Bria,

1217
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 2: guys that can score that are fun to watch, but

1218
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 2: they're not gonna win a lot of games.

1219
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: I'm swerving. I'm gonna go just over on the Phoenix

1220
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,919
Speaker 1: Suns thirty one and a half because the question here is, yeah,

1221
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: they lost so much talent, no doubt, look at the

1222
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 1: two rosters. They lost talent, But did they gain some

1223
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: guys with at least a bit of an edge to them,

1224
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: Like Dylan Brooks. For as much as we make fun

1225
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: of him, he raises at least the level of competition

1226
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: on a team. I think in practice, I think it

1227
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: translates to the floor. And so they have these like

1228
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: all these guys you guys are listing, it's like they

1229
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 1: might be hungry to prove a point and that might

1230
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: get them just to like low thirty wins. They do

1231
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: still have been on Burker. It's low. It's low, And

1232
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: I'm just saying they will just hit this like I'm

1233
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 1: not going like crazy that they're flirting even with a

1234
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: playing spot where they would take how many wins, you know,

1235
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: forty in the Western Conference at least more, but low,

1236
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: low thirty one and a half, I don't mind it.

1237
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the over I at least the energy

1238
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: I think with this team, with now Durant removed and

1239
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: being obviously not there, I think it's gonna make a

1240
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: little bit more sense. You guys brought up a great

1241
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 1: point about the Biggs. It's not not that's tough. You

1242
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: guys are, And I even like those guys, probably more

1243
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: than most, but even I'll admit, well, that is a

1244
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: tough rotation. But I still have a little bit of

1245
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 1: a Devin Booker fan, and I love that again, these

1246
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 1: some of these cast offs. I think that maybe sort

1247
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: of these misfits might work together a round booker to

1248
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: get to thirty three wins or something. So I'll go

1249
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 1: over like, do you think the Phoenix Suns are going

1250
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 1: to be Well, we're gonna talk about the Sacramento Kings,

1251
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: Like are they better or worse than the Kings or

1252
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: the Pelicans. We'll find out because we'll talk about those teams.

1253
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 1: But that's where you know, and that's where I'm like

1254
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 1: debating they will be better than Pelicans worse than the Kings. Well,

1255
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: let's talking.

1256
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 2: I think I think they should be coached by Steve Ott,

1257
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 2: as I said, who's a Steve Yeah, he's a hockey coach.

1258
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: I think.

1259
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 2: I think that's where I said Steve Ott and said.

1260
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: Jordan might be good as a coach.

1261
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 2: It's true, but how much because he's been under Kenny Atkinson.

1262
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 2: He knows how to move the ball. I think all

1263
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 2: guys are gonna be involved in the offense, but really

1264
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 2: there's guys that just haven't succeeded in other places. And

1265
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 2: Mark Wims and Nick Richards this year little they're they're

1266
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 2: trying out guys, they're trying them out.

1267
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 1: He's still there, Yeah, he's there. Yeah, a lot of.

1268
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 3: It's funny to hear players who are hyped up last year,

1269
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 3: like off no as.

1270
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: Little on a veteran minimum. This guy is going to

1271
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 1: be the real deal.

1272
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 3: People were picking Mike Budenholzer to win Coach of the

1273
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 3: Year last preseason.

1274
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, some of us were very high on the Suns

1275
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: last year. Guilty. But now they've got to win thirty

1276
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 1: two games over again, all right, Kings thirty four and

1277
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: a half not much better than Phoenix here. Tess Sarich

1278
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 1: is in your guy. I love him. You Banks, Dennis Shruder.

1279
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 1: They drafted Nee Clifford. A lot of people are talking

1280
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: him up. You might have a role on this team.

1281
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: The twenty fourth pick there, and then they lost Mason Jones,

1282
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 1: Jake Laavia JV. So you know, for the most part,

1283
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: what starting lineup of Shrewder, Monk, Levigne, de Rosan Sabonis.

1284
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 1: I guess Monk could be coming off the bench whatever.

1285
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 1: He's like their main guys Kim Murray, sorry Coley forgot him,

1286
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: so it'd be h Monk off the bench. What do

1287
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 1: you think thirty four and a half.

1288
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 2: I'm going over Okay, I have faith in a Dennis

1289
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 2: Shruder led offense. We saw him win in Germany. We

1290
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 2: saw what he did to start last year with the

1291
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:45,959
Speaker 2: Brooklyn Nets. Now they started at nine and eleven. Let's

1292
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 2: let's extrapolate that over eighty two, they're going to win

1293
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 2: thirty four and a half. I think last year they

1294
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 2: finished really strong. The second one of game has finished

1295
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 2: really strong. Fifteen and seventeen in their last thirty two.

1296
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 3: I mean that's you were going to say twenty seven

1297
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 3: and twenty four Doug Christy as their coach.

1298
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, over five hundred fifteen and seventeen is finishing straw.

1299
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 2: Over Underwinter wins was thirty four and a half. Then, yeah,

1300
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 2: and this is this is in Mickey Mouse March. It's

1301
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 2: Mickey Mouse March plus Friendly February. I mean, that's just

1302
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 2: whatever the term is Refebruary those that's two months. There's

1303
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 2: just so much freaking talent. With a couple hungry guys

1304
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 2: in kean Ellis and a full season to Devin Carter,

1305
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 2: We'll see what nee Clawford Clifford can do. But they

1306
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 2: are lacking big wings, that's for sure. Keith and Murray

1307
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 2: is their number one at the four. DeRozan is their

1308
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 2: other four.

1309
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 1: I guess that's why Neie Clifford is going to play.

1310
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the depth is an issue. But thirty

1311
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 2: four and a half for all these talented guys, And again,

1312
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 2: Dennis Shruder knows how to lead a team. He was

1313
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 2: leading a team with Jordy Fernandez as their head coach.

1314
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 2: Doug Christy, what was the record that he had under.

1315
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 3: Twenty seven and twenty four? So up and said, look

1316
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 3: at this beam. Oh, I've never seen it.

1317
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:00,479
Speaker 1: That's close.

1318
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like close to a five hundred club. Okay, close,

1319
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 2: So you're going over. Yeah, I'm going over thirty.

1320
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 1: Four and a half. I agree.

1321
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 3: I think the Kings are a little overheted right now.

1322
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 3: I think they're gonna be good on offense. They got

1323
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 3: a lot of good offensive players. Of course, they just

1324
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 3: can't guard anybody. But that's fine. You can win a

1325
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 3: lot of games by outscoring the opponent. It'll come down

1326
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 3: to clutch play. I think for the Kings this year

1327
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 3: they were nineteen and twenty three.

1328
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 1: In the clutch.

1329
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 3: Last year you get a little bit better luck. Twenty

1330
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 3: three and nineteen clutch. Who knows, but thirty five wins

1331
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 3: is such a low number to clear the over, so

1332
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go over. They have been bleeding wins. They

1333
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 3: went from forty eight to forty six to forty. They

1334
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 3: seem like they are trending in the wrong direction. I

1335
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 3: one hundred percent agree with that. But you put Levin

1336
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 3: and de Rozen together, you're gonna win about forty games.

1337
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, you should be. You're right, they should be still

1338
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 1: around a top ten offense, at least they were last year. Yeah,

1339
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 1: it's how they're gonna stop guys, even though they have, like, yeah,

1340
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 1: maybe a healthy Devin Carter helps, and we know ken

1341
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 1: Ellis is good defensively, and Nee Clifford is sort of

1342
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 1: being you know, a lotted is that as well. But like,

1343
01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:59,439
Speaker 1: you're not gonna play all those guys together by any means,

1344
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: so they're gonna have to try and slow the better

1345
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 1: players on the other team. I'm with you, guys, though

1346
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 1: it's too low. This is thirty nine and a half,

1347
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: thirty and a half. I think you're like, oh, I

1348
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:10,439
Speaker 1: don't know. I think there's still a thirty five plus

1349
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 1: win team with the talent they have, as long as

1350
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 1: Sabonis and Keegan Murray and you know, maybe Zachlavine can

1351
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 1: stay healthy. It's really I think they're quite shallow once

1352
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 1: those guys, the mean guys are gone. Yeah, but I'm

1353
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 1: with you. We're all taking the kings over light the beam, baby?

1354
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 1: What could go wrong?

1355
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 3: All? Right?

1356
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 1: Final division?

1357
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 3: Here?

1358
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 1: Southwest Division, Dallas Mavericks forty one and a half. Tray

1359
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 1: Cooper flag, Yeah, you look good. Preseason action stat stuffer

1360
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 1: Man look solid. D'Angelo Russell is sort of in there

1361
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 1: to be their starting point guard with Kyrie Irving on

1362
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 1: the shelf that at least start the season, who knows

1363
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: how long he misses, and then Spencer did what he left.

1364
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 1: I mean that's sort of it. Forty one and a half.

1365
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 1: Where are you going with this one? Yeah?

1366
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 3: Thirty nine and forty three last year, But I think

1367
01:03:56,360 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 3: their last year record is like the least informative of

1368
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 3: maybe any team.

1369
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 1: Looking ahead for the season, I think they got.

1370
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 3: A pretty good top nine despite having basically no guard depth.

1371
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 3: They're going to be great defensively with Cooper alongside whichever

1372
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 3: big guys they decide to start. Like it's looking like

1373
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 3: Derek Lively, who his measurements came in seven foot one

1374
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 3: as predicted the guy didn't. Row was lying lying. People

1375
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 3: believed that Anthony Davis he'll be starting. That means to

1376
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:26,959
Speaker 3: bring PJ. Washington the bench.

1377
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 1: The guy's awesome.

1378
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, Daniel Grafford really good player. The problem is they're

1379
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 3: only going to make two pointers. Last year there were

1380
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 3: twenty sixth in three point shooting, and that's with Luka

1381
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 3: Doncic and Kyrie Irving playing huge chunks of the season

1382
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 3: for this team, this team probably will lead the league

1383
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 3: in two pointers, mate. I would have to imagine maybe

1384
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 3: Denver is up there as well, with the you know,

1385
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 3: Jokic never missing. Main question for me is like, well,

1386
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 3: Cooper flag be an All Star this year. Only sixteen

1387
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 3: slots for Americans, so he probably gets squeezed.

1388
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah right, I thought about that. Yeah, and that's weird.

1389
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 3: That's why I'm like, Jamal Murray Sally had a good

1390
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 3: chance of making your first All Star team. Yeah, because

1391
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 3: you know, he might be one of the eight best

1392
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 3: international players and not the twenty four best NBA player. Ye,

1393
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 3: So there'll be a good list eventually, guys who are

1394
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 3: going to benefit from this and guys who won't. Cooper

1395
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 3: will not forty two wins though for the maps. I'll

1396
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 3: take the over.

1397
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 2: WHOA okay, same, I'm going over. I think Anthony Davis's

1398
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 2: goggles are going to help him stay healthy. You got

1399
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 2: that guy on the floor with a Cooper flag beside him,

1400
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 2: who looks good defensively. He can guard anybody on the perimeter.

1401
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 2: So why wouldn't they be a good defensive team. It

1402
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 2: is a fair question. Do they have three point shooting?

1403
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 2: It's Dangel Russell, It's Klay Thompson, and you know, Max

1404
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 2: Christy can hit something good percentages. He doesn't shoot a

1405
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 2: lot of them, but that's your trio and PJ. Washington

1406
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 2: can hang out in the corner. I think there's enough

1407
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 2: to get it until Kyrie Irving comes back.

1408
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 1: Do you think Kyri Iering comes back this season? I

1409
01:05:54,520 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 1: think so, you do? Yeah, I think I'll play fair enough. Yeah,

1410
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 1: I mean an injury occurred pretty late in the season.

1411
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 1: He's what mid thirties when he comes back, and he's

1412
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 1: a guy that relies on athleticism and speed and all that,

1413
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 1: I maybe slow play him, but yeah.

1414
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, they slow They should slow play him. It was

1415
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 2: March right last year on the twitch that he was on.

1416
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 2: I always assume it's twitch. I think it was streaming.

1417
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 2: He was streaming something. He said, I'm not saying that

1418
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 2: I'm coming back next year. I'm not locking it in.

1419
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 1: He didn't.

1420
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 2: I guess he just doesn't want to say that to

1421
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 2: his twitch fans.

1422
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 1: Him and Kid are sort of saying that, yeah, maybe

1423
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 1: won't come back. Where it feels like the front office,

1424
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 1: like I think it was, Nico Harrison was more leaning

1425
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 1: towards oh yeah, kyriering, we'll be back.

1426
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 2: You know, and Jason kidds Jason Kids is going to

1427
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 2: take credit for turning Cooper Flag into a point guard.

1428
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 2: I think that's what he like he did with Honest,

1429
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 2: you did with you exactly the same thing. Because Cooper

1430
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 2: can't handle the ball and bring it up and they

1431
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 2: need guard help. So I think they've got enough. I'm

1432
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 2: taking the over The defense will be super, super good.

1433
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:01,919
Speaker 2: I think Angela Russell is just kind of an overlook player,

1434
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 2: but he can score.

1435
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 1: He's streaky. Yeah, he's streaky. But they could really use

1436
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 1: a really from three type year from D'andela Russell.

1437
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, yeah, they would take forty from the field

1438
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 3: eight last year, he was brutal last year.

1439
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:19,120
Speaker 2: Bounce back season, bounce back season. Yeah, in the year

1440
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 2: that he got traded. But he's got that chemistry with

1441
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 2: Anthony Davis going back to his LA days, a lot

1442
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 2: of talent.

1443
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, the question is is scoring. I found this one.

1444
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 1: This was like one of the toughest teams. I think,

1445
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 1: like the most perplexing teams. Like I could talk myself

1446
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 1: into a really bad year of course, and then a

1447
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 1: surprising good year. But I'm with you, guys. We all

1448
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 1: have the Mavericks over forty one and a half. Yeah,

1449
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 1: that's a damn good starting lineup. Russell, Clay Thompson, Cooper

1450
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 1: ad with the goggles and then Derek Lively that's and

1451
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 1: then you a good front court. That's a good Yeah. Look,

1452
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 1: there's a lot of more pressure on Russell and it's

1453
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 1: also there's a lot of pressure on Cooper flag to

1454
01:07:57,040 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 1: be awesome right out of the gate. Like that's what

1455
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 1: we're sort of like banking on your little bit with this.

1456
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 1: But I'll go over with you guys. Forty one and

1457
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 1: a half, Dallas Mavericks, stay in Texas. Houston Rockets fifty

1458
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 1: two and a half. Kevin Duran is there, Dorrian Finney

1459
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 1: Smith is there, Clint Capello is there? Why is he there. Hey,

1460
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 1: Clint just wanted to come play for the Houston Rockets,

1461
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:22,719
Speaker 1: Josha Kogi, and they lost Dylan Brooks, Jalen Green, Cam Whitmore,

1462
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 1: Jock Landell, and unfortunately Fred van Vliet, who will not

1463
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 1: be playing probably for the season. What do you think

1464
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 1: tasks start with you fifty two and a half on Houston?

1465
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 1: Where are you going.

1466
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 2: After such a good year last year where they won

1467
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 2: fifty two games. I'm taking the under. It's surprising to

1468
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:41,879
Speaker 2: me to do this to a squad that's fairly loaded.

1469
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 2: But yeah, the Fred van Vliet injury I think helps

1470
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 2: excuse me hurts now handling the ball Steady Friday was

1471
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 2: that last year and now they're just going to have

1472
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 2: to throw in a bunch of guys do it by committee.

1473
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 2: Here ament Thompson bring it up. Let's see what Reed

1474
01:08:56,800 --> 01:09:00,120
Speaker 2: Shepherd can do. There's there's so many guys there. I

1475
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 2: think there's some wo We just talked about Dallas Maverick

1476
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 2: setting three point shots. Who's hitting threes on this team?

1477
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 2: Last year they were bottom a third of the league

1478
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 2: in three points attempt to three point percentage stretching the floor.

1479
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 1: So I think that's a fair question. Dorrian Finney Smith. Yeah,

1480
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 1: he could be the answer to that, but.

1481
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 2: He's hurt to start the season now, he probably is

1482
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 2: going to play soon ish. I like this quote that

1483
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 2: he said he had ankle surgery in the off season.

1484
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:26,719
Speaker 2: He said, quote, I probably made the injury worse because

1485
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 2: my nut ass don't want to sit down. Excuse my language,

1486
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 2: not my language, Phinney Smith said, my nut ass. Now

1487
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:36,760
Speaker 2: they have question marks. Okay, so we know Duran Shrang

1488
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 2: Goon Thompson's starting. Try Easton wants to start, Jerry Smith

1489
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:42,400
Speaker 2: wants to start. I think there's just a lot of

1490
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:45,160
Speaker 2: questions going into a team that you're playing Western Conference

1491
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:47,840
Speaker 2: teams right off the bat. You're a huge team, but

1492
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:51,639
Speaker 2: can you handle it enough? The names are so good,

1493
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 2: but I worry about the guard play. I think that's

1494
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 2: I think that's fair. That's fair worry. So fifty two

1495
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 2: wins is a lot. I'm going under two.

1496
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 3: K Yeah, this is the one I did most of

1497
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 3: my prep yesterday, like going through and picking where I

1498
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 3: thought it was going to be. Then I woke up

1499
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 3: this morning and this was the one I regretted the

1500
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 3: most because I am going.

1501
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 1: To go over.

1502
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 3: Okay, I think they can get to fifty three wins,

1503
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 3: but the three point shooting is a huge, huge question mark.

1504
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 3: They lost their top three three point shooters from last

1505
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:22,839
Speaker 3: season once Fred van Vliet went out with injury. I

1506
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 3: have to imagine they're regretting signing Compella, Like you should

1507
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:25,839
Speaker 3: have signed.

1508
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 1: A backup point guard. You didn't need a third center.

1509
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you got a guy who could make all

1510
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 3: NBA as the starter, that just doesn't make any sense

1511
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:36,679
Speaker 3: to me. They have basically all fours on their team.

1512
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:40,200
Speaker 3: Even Eason is a four. Jabari Smith Junior is a four.

1513
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 3: I think Jabari should probably start just because he takes

1514
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 3: more threes than Easton does and they need that sort

1515
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:48,719
Speaker 3: of thing. Sixth then clutch wins as well. Last season,

1516
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 3: like they had a good clutch season and their clutch

1517
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 3: offense was basically Fred van Vliet just shoot a.

1518
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:56,080
Speaker 1: Bomb and it went in a lot. So they lost him.

1519
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:59,599
Speaker 3: They replaced him with Kevin Durant to take the clutch shots.

1520
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 3: But how much better can you get than sixth only

1521
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:04,560
Speaker 3: five places? You know, that's not going to change the math.

1522
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 1: A whole lot.

1523
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 3: So I am going to go over like I think

1524
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 3: Red Shepherd is in a pretty good situation. He does

1525
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 3: need to really take a step forward and look like

1526
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:14,280
Speaker 3: an NBA player this season. They need him to shoot

1527
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 3: the ball like he did in college, like he did

1528
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 3: in high school, because he wasn't even a good shooter

1529
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 3: last year in the very few minutes that he played,

1530
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 3: so and not confident.

1531
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:25,640
Speaker 1: Over on the Houston Rockets, Okay, interesting, I'm going with

1532
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:28,479
Speaker 1: tast I'm going just under the fifty two and a half,

1533
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 1: right around the same record they had last year. You

1534
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:32,680
Speaker 1: said fifty two wins, so somewhere between fifty and fifty two.

1535
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 1: I look at them sort of like I looked at

1536
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 1: the Pistons and we did the Monday East over underpicks,

1537
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:40,679
Speaker 1: like this idea of like, well, they should be better,

1538
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 1: guys should level up. They have all this young talent,

1539
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 1: probably because they have a Thompson twin on it as well.

1540
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 1: And I look at the Rockets and I think that's

1541
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:50,679
Speaker 1: same thing too. But then I'm like, it's not sometimes

1542
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:53,040
Speaker 1: as linear as just keep adding wins, keep bating, keep

1543
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:54,639
Speaker 1: betting wins. I think it's just going to be around

1544
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 1: the same. They'll be fine, and they're going to be

1545
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 1: a contender if everybody's healthy to win the whole title

1546
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:01,719
Speaker 1: or win the West, so one just under. I wonder

1547
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 1: what I would have done if Van Vliet was playing

1548
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 1: and he was just like their lead guard, and that

1549
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't have any questions about that. I don't know if

1550
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:11,599
Speaker 1: the line would have been different. Is that like fifty

1551
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 1: four and a half if Van Vliet's there? Does this

1552
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 1: even take into consideration the van lead injury? I assume

1553
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:19,719
Speaker 1: it does. But I'm with tests. I'll go just under

1554
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:23,879
Speaker 1: tray the only one over reluctantly. It's fine.

1555
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, fifty three is a high number though. Man,

1556
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:28,920
Speaker 3: it's a high number for a team that can't shoot threes.

1557
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:30,600
Speaker 3: But they're gonna have an awesome defense. They should have

1558
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:33,559
Speaker 3: a top five defense, and that's really good for regular season.

1559
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:36,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, when emai Udoaka is making these

1560
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 1: decisions about who's going to start and who's going to

1561
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 1: close games, he's going to more times than not veer

1562
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:43,160
Speaker 1: towards the guy that brings it defensively, like that's what

1563
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:43,559
Speaker 1: he does.

1564
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no doubt, and they're going to play the

1565
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 2: biggest lineup in.

1566
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:49,960
Speaker 1: NBA history question mark.

1567
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 2: I don't know, literally, they may run out because they're

1568
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 2: lacking guys especially, but oh, with.

1569
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:56,879
Speaker 1: Aman Thompson as your point guard, you're saying, well, yeah.

1570
01:12:57,240 --> 01:13:01,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean just a total together of five guys,

1571
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 2: they're gonna be huge. They could literally throw out of

1572
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:09,559
Speaker 2: Steven Adams alongside Albert and Sheng Goon, plus Kevin Durant

1573
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:13,320
Speaker 2: the guy seven feet plus and A'mn Thompson and a

1574
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 2: Jabari Smith.

1575
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:17,600
Speaker 1: I mean they're monstrous, that's true. Not a lot of

1576
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:19,760
Speaker 1: shooting out there, But Katie.

1577
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 2: Well, that's what they like. Raphaelstone, that's what he's what

1578
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:24,639
Speaker 2: they like. I suppose it's why they wouldn't go clink upout.

1579
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:27,919
Speaker 1: They just got big. They got bigger. Yeah, shooting's overrated,

1580
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:28,599
Speaker 1: just as big.

1581
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like, we're gonna miss a ton, so we

1582
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 3: should have as many centers as possible.

1583
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:34,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were good at offensive rebounding last year.

1584
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 1: You got Steven Adams on your team, you're always gonna

1585
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 1: be good at offensive remand all right, Memphis Grizzlies over

1586
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 1: under thirty nine and a half for you who were

1587
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:43,720
Speaker 1: starting with hero start with you, Trey thirty nine and

1588
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 1: a half.

1589
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 3: Memphis, Yeah, forty eight wins for the Grizzlies last season.

1590
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 3: You would have thought they won thirty games with the

1591
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:50,920
Speaker 3: way they're thought of, but they did lose Desmond Bay

1592
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 3: and they lost Jay Hoff and guess what, everybody's already

1593
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 3: hurt for the Memphis Grizzlies, just like always. Jared Jackson

1594
01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:59,400
Speaker 3: Junior and Zach Edy off season surgery. They're not ready

1595
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 3: at the start of the season though.

1596
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 1: Triple J.

1597
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 3: I'll be back sooner. Brandon Clark out yep. John Morant

1598
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 3: week to week out with a sprained ankle. But in

1599
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:11,920
Speaker 3: for their last five seasons, they've gone over five hundred.

1600
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:14,120
Speaker 3: The only year they didn't was when Ja Morant played

1601
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:17,160
Speaker 3: nine games. This team is able to win games. When

1602
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 3: Jaron Jackson Junior plays, they play at a forty seven

1603
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 3: win place. I think he'll be back sort of soon. Yeah,

1604
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:25,559
Speaker 3: I'm going over. I think they're about a five hundred

1605
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:27,880
Speaker 3: team forty one wins. I think the number is just

1606
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:29,759
Speaker 3: a little bit too low here for the Grizzlies.

1607
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I think Ziller noted when you have that

1608
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:35,680
Speaker 1: base duo of Ja Morant Triple J, you just you

1609
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:37,599
Speaker 1: win regular season games. Yeah, I guess so if they're

1610
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 1: at all healthy ish, and then they always find these

1611
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 1: diamonds in the rough to plug and play too, so

1612
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 1: feels low tasks. So that's why TK is going over

1613
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:46,599
Speaker 1: thirty nine a half.

1614
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 2: What do you I'm with your tray feels super low

1615
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:51,599
Speaker 2: with the team that won forty eight games last year.

1616
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:55,120
Speaker 2: But then if you say that both Jaron Jackson Junior

1617
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 2: and Jamorrant, their top two players are going to be

1618
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,519
Speaker 2: out for a while, then that factors in. But John Moran,

1619
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 2: it's sure, you like he's going to be back very soon.

1620
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 2: I think he should be back for the regular season.

1621
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 2: Even though it's week to week. He says that it's

1622
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 2: totally fine. It's at ankle injury that he just turned

1623
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:10,720
Speaker 2: this past weekend. Here as we record October eighth, it

1624
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 2: seems fine. Jaron Jackson Junior again shouldn't be too long.

1625
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:17,559
Speaker 2: I think they have a defensive readiness every single season.

1626
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:19,800
Speaker 2: They are ready. Jalen Wells was ready. They added a

1627
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:22,599
Speaker 2: KCP who, yes, not a great offensive player, but will

1628
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 2: help out the defensively he does. They drafted Cedric Coward.

1629
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:28,680
Speaker 2: They traded up for Cedric Coward because he is a

1630
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 2: monster in terms of lengthy six to six, seven to

1631
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 2: two with that wingspan. He already drew a charge in preseason.

1632
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:37,519
Speaker 2: So I think there's enough defensive guys and then the

1633
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:40,559
Speaker 2: offensive guys if we talk about their top two. But

1634
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:43,840
Speaker 2: there's a Ti Jeromo there, I think I can drop twenty,

1635
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 2: no problem. Santio Aldama more role for him this year.

1636
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:50,639
Speaker 2: That's a huge drop off to lose nine fewer games

1637
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 2: from forty eight down to thirty nine.

1638
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:53,679
Speaker 1: So I think it's over.

1639
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, five hundred team I think is easily accessible for

1640
01:15:57,240 --> 01:15:57,599
Speaker 2: these guys.

1641
01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:00,720
Speaker 1: This is my dumbest pick. I'm going under. And the

1642
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 1: only reason I'm going under is because, like when you

1643
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 1: start looking at all of the teams, you're either going

1644
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:06,680
Speaker 1: over on or under on. I'm like, I gotta go

1645
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 1: under on a couple of these squads, and they sort

1646
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:11,639
Speaker 1: of were just like they were my pick in the end.

1647
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of rhyme or reason. You

1648
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:14,880
Speaker 1: guys sort of made great cases to like why can't

1649
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:16,599
Speaker 1: this be a forty forty one win team at the

1650
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:21,120
Speaker 1: very least? But I'm going under on Memphis. Huge part

1651
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, already coming in with your two best guys,

1652
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 1: banged up your third best guy, dealt for you know,

1653
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 1: teenagers future draft picks. I'm talking about Desmond Baine to

1654
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:35,599
Speaker 1: Orlando and then like all these other guys are like,

1655
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm not as high on Ty Jerome being suddenly like

1656
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:42,600
Speaker 1: this fill in placement for Desmond Bain as maybe some

1657
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:45,639
Speaker 1: are so. I just think if those guys are banged

1658
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:48,640
Speaker 1: up at all, their main guys, somebody's got to get

1659
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:50,719
Speaker 1: lose games here in the Western Conference, and maybe they're

1660
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 1: on the other short end of the stick. I'll go under.

1661
01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:57,000
Speaker 1: Don't feel confident about it. New Orlean Pelicans thirty one

1662
01:16:57,040 --> 01:17:02,560
Speaker 1: and a half or going lower on these skinny's. Ion tasmelis,

1663
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 1: can he not get them to thirty two plus wins?

1664
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:08,639
Speaker 1: They added Sadik bay Looney, Jordan Poole is there. They

1665
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:13,240
Speaker 1: drafted Fears with the seventh pick, The drafted up to

1666
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 1: get Derek Queen. Maybe a little questionable there what they're doing.

1667
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 1: But they lost CJ. McCollum, Kelly Olynnok, Brandon Boston Junior,

1668
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 1: Bruce Brown. What do you think thirty one and a half?

1669
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:24,200
Speaker 1: Is this a tough one for you?

1670
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:28,320
Speaker 2: It all comes down to Zion Williamson playing basketball. As

1671
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:31,920
Speaker 2: we've said before, I'm buying into the skinny Zion, not

1672
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:35,360
Speaker 2: only after all the talk and the photos of him,

1673
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 2: but he took his shirt off. Hey went in Australia

1674
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:43,160
Speaker 2: for training camp. He is skinny now, It's not like

1675
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 2: six packs skinny, but skinny enough. I think at this

1676
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 2: point of his career now, if he's playing, then this

1677
01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:53,800
Speaker 2: team is way better than a thirty one and a

1678
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 2: half win team. He's being challenged by Joe Dumers as

1679
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 2: he said, he said, this is this is my guy.

1680
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:02,559
Speaker 2: Joe was his guy, and I guess David Griffin didn't

1681
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:04,840
Speaker 2: do that in the front office. He just feels like

1682
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:07,760
Speaker 2: more that there's more on his shoulders. He called this

1683
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 2: making this transition is what he said. So he feels

1684
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 2: like it's a transition year. Am I buying into that?

1685
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 1: Well?

1686
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:18,840
Speaker 2: Maybe, but it wasn't about losing weight in the off season.

1687
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:21,640
Speaker 2: It was about learning how to fix his buddy in

1688
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:24,360
Speaker 2: the regular season last year because they started six and

1689
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:26,559
Speaker 2: twenty four. He heard his hamstring and he talked about

1690
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:29,000
Speaker 2: what the trainer did to him to come back, eat

1691
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:31,759
Speaker 2: right and all that. So it's not like, oh it's July,

1692
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:34,800
Speaker 2: I'm eating well. I think it was a whole year

1693
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:41,000
Speaker 2: process and on buying in pain off. Yeah, thirty two wins.

1694
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 1: Is it's low.

1695
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:44,680
Speaker 2: It is nothing. Any of the talent is there beside him,

1696
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 2: But it really does come down to that guy.

1697
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:49,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, it might be as simple as that. New Orleans

1698
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:53,960
Speaker 1: also ranks last in the NBA and roster continuity. According

1699
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:56,439
Speaker 1: to our guy John Schumann, who's always crunching these numbers,

1700
01:18:56,520 --> 01:18:59,600
Speaker 1: they are saying goodbye to a staggering fifty percent of

1701
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 1: last minutes. So it is big overhaul here. And de

1702
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:06,519
Speaker 1: Jonte Murray's not going to be there to start the

1703
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:09,680
Speaker 1: season Tray He's out with the torn achilles tendon. I

1704
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:12,360
Speaker 1: don't know if that means an opportunity for Fears their

1705
01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:15,120
Speaker 1: seventh pick here. The rookie point cool bro Jordan Coole

1706
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:17,839
Speaker 1: is definitely a start. He's acquired and place in McCollum.

1707
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 1: But what do you think thirty one and a half

1708
01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 1: I being a big year for Zion. I think he'll

1709
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 1: play over sixty games this year. They've been over five

1710
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:26,240
Speaker 1: hundred in his career when he plays. I just think

1711
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:28,479
Speaker 1: the team stinks around Zion, Like, I don't actually think

1712
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:30,880
Speaker 1: there's a lot of talent here outside of Trey Murphy

1713
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 1: and Herb Jones. On the defensive end hasn't really been

1714
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:36,240
Speaker 1: able to take a step on the offensive end. You

1715
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 1: look at their team last year. Murray only played thirty

1716
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 1: one games thirty for Zion in only eighteen games for

1717
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 1: brandon Ingram. So that's why their number twenty one wins

1718
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:47,599
Speaker 1: was so low last year. There's no incentive for this

1719
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:50,559
Speaker 1: team to lose. Having done the pick swap with Atlanta

1720
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:54,639
Speaker 1: and Milwaukee, I just don't really see this team being

1721
01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:57,479
Speaker 1: competitive in the Western Conference. That's the problem is that

1722
01:19:57,640 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 1: though they may.

1723
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 3: Be going into a transitional period here, if Zion's able

1724
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:05,680
Speaker 3: to stay healthy, that certainly improves their outlook. But the

1725
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 3: Western Conference has gotten a lot better in the years

1726
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:12,240
Speaker 3: since Zion was drafted to the Pelicans, So I think

1727
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:14,519
Speaker 3: good that they're committing to him. He's still young enough

1728
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:16,559
Speaker 3: that you can still build a team around him. But

1729
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:18,439
Speaker 3: this is not a good team that is built around him.

1730
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:20,920
Speaker 1: But you're going over. No, I'm not going under. I'm

1731
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 1: under thirty wins. Okay, okay, I'm going just over thirty

1732
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:26,360
Speaker 1: one and a half. And it's very simple. If Zion,

1733
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 1: Murph and Herb Jones play sixty games together, I'm not

1734
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 1: asking for a full season sixty games basically three quarters.

1735
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 1: Let's call it that. I think the Pelicans win half

1736
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 1: of those games. If again sixty the all three of

1737
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 1: those guys are playing, and then they got to pick

1738
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 1: up two more wins somewhere. I think they can do that.

1739
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:46,840
Speaker 1: I'm going over. I'm going over. But I'm definitely banking

1740
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:49,720
Speaker 1: on Zion staying healthy enough to be a lead guy

1741
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:51,519
Speaker 1: and try and get them, try and get them back

1742
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:53,040
Speaker 1: even in I don't even think they're going to be

1743
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:54,679
Speaker 1: in the plan mix, but maybe for a couple months

1744
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 1: at least be flirting around there. I'll go just over,

1745
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:02,240
Speaker 1: just over for the Pelicans. But yeah, I mean it

1746
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:05,639
Speaker 1: sucks that they don't have Jordan Poole. Is your lead guard?

1747
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:08,519
Speaker 1: Is your vet? Yeah? And then linear your vets right now? Yeah,

1748
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:10,760
Speaker 1: the old Warriors days coming in there them have a

1749
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:15,200
Speaker 1: win titles. That's true. That's all we gotta do, all right.

1750
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:19,840
Speaker 1: Final team San Antonio Spurs forty four and a half. Trey,

1751
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:23,679
Speaker 1: where are you going with Wemby here? Back in healthy.

1752
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:26,759
Speaker 1: They got Luke Cornette, Kelly Olynyk, Lindy Waters, the third

1753
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:30,320
Speaker 1: drafted Dylan Harper, Carter Bryan as well. Didn't lose a

1754
01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 1: whole lot. Chris Paul's gone, Mamu, Branham, Blake, Wesley Yep.

1755
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 1: But Wemby's the main guy here. Forty four and a

1756
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 1: half enough for forty five wins with him leaving.

1757
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:40,759
Speaker 3: Only forty six games for Wemby last year, only seventeen

1758
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:42,600
Speaker 3: for Fox after he got traded, and they played what

1759
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:47,320
Speaker 3: like five games together, I think, including one here in Atlanta.

1760
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:50,840
Speaker 3: So does a full season of Fox and Wemby, or

1761
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:54,599
Speaker 3: at least playing as much as they can, equal eleven

1762
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 3: more wins.

1763
01:21:56,479 --> 01:21:59,040
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe maybe.

1764
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:01,519
Speaker 3: They are gonna have a top ten defense when Wemby plays,

1765
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:04,080
Speaker 3: but he can't play the entire game. I do think

1766
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:06,679
Speaker 3: Luke Cornette is probably the only guy they added that's

1767
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 3: going to have a positive impact this season. Dylan Harper,

1768
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:11,280
Speaker 3: you never know what you're gonna get from rookies. He's

1769
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 3: banged up right now. Carter Bryant seems to be a

1770
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:16,439
Speaker 3: bit more of a project. I personally think Wemby will

1771
01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:19,760
Speaker 3: be getting MVP votes. He's at my MVP table. He

1772
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 3: was not at task as MVP table officially. What about

1773
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 3: uskis you think he's going to end up there?

1774
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 1: And how many we got out of the table again,

1775
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 1: five or six? We got six at the end of

1776
01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:32,760
Speaker 1: the season or will he ever take a seat at all.

1777
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:35,080
Speaker 1: I think he'll pull up a seat for a majority,

1778
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:37,920
Speaker 1: like a portion of the season. Okay, I don't think

1779
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:40,679
Speaker 1: he'll be there at the end of this season. Whoa

1780
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:43,600
Speaker 1: hold on? Could be the six foot Yeah yeah, I

1781
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:45,360
Speaker 1: mean if they're a forty five win team, he is,

1782
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:49,120
Speaker 1: or you know, fifteen near and fifty. But I'm going under,

1783
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:51,200
Speaker 1: so I'll say, no, I don't think they're gonna win

1784
01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:51,639
Speaker 1: forty five.

1785
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, me neither.

1786
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:54,080
Speaker 3: I think they win forty four, So I'll take the

1787
01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:56,519
Speaker 3: under as well. I just don't think there is a

1788
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 3: ton of talent outside of Fox and Mumby.

1789
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:03,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, what tasks. You saw the preseason action, you saw

1790
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:04,559
Speaker 1: that we be blocked in.

1791
01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, should we factor in that Fox isn't.

1792
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:11,639
Speaker 1: Playing right now amstring injury.

1793
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 2: It's got a hamstring injury. So you say that, well,

1794
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:17,519
Speaker 2: that's worrisome, right. Although Darren Fox said they're just playing

1795
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:20,000
Speaker 2: it safe, they're being the San Antonio Spurs. They play

1796
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:22,600
Speaker 2: everything safe. I was he literally said, I was on

1797
01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 2: a treadmill running fifteen miles an hour. I'm fine, that's

1798
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:31,000
Speaker 2: super fast. Wow, that's a four minute mile. Tal now,

1799
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:32,519
Speaker 2: I don't know how long he was running four I

1800
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:34,640
Speaker 2: don't know if he was running for four minutes, but

1801
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:37,519
Speaker 2: the fact the injury news came out and that's how

1802
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:40,680
Speaker 2: he responded, saying, I am fricking healthy. The Spurs are

1803
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 2: just keeping it safe. So we don't know about him.

1804
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:47,640
Speaker 2: But Dylan Harper also probably gonna miss the beginning of

1805
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:50,000
Speaker 2: the year, and so it's going to fall a lot

1806
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 2: on Stefan Castle, Devin Vessel, Jeremy Sohan, who's playpoint guard

1807
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 2: before that didn't go well, so it's going to be

1808
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 2: a lot on their support guys. I'm going under, not

1809
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:05,400
Speaker 2: just because of the injuries, but because the West is

1810
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:10,839
Speaker 2: freaking tough because they haven't played together period. You mentioned

1811
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 2: all the guys that have come in. They're young, as

1812
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:18,720
Speaker 2: simple as that, other than their old center backups with

1813
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 2: Kelly Olinik and Luke Cornett out there.

1814
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:25,720
Speaker 1: Not sure question spot though, but under.

1815
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:28,840
Speaker 2: Ultimately yeah, they should be competing for a play spot.

1816
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:31,839
Speaker 2: But it wouldn't be surprising to see as Trey has

1817
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:35,559
Speaker 2: Victor wen Binyama at an MVP table, what year will

1818
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 2: it happen?

1819
01:24:36,240 --> 01:24:38,559
Speaker 1: Right? I mean, if he plays enough games, he's winning

1820
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:40,960
Speaker 1: defensive player of the year. That's a lock. Just has

1821
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:43,760
Speaker 1: to hit the mark and then yeah, how many games?

1822
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:45,160
Speaker 1: I think all we're getting at is how many games

1823
01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:46,720
Speaker 1: do the Spurs have to win for him to be

1824
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:53,519
Speaker 1: getting MVP votes. I don't know, probably like around forty seven,

1825
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:55,559
Speaker 1: forty eight, I guess, maybe like them flirting with an

1826
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:59,719
Speaker 1: actual just like postseason position in avoiding the plane entirely,

1827
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 1: I guess I would put it around there. But even

1828
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:04,200
Speaker 1: then you can win that many games still being a plan.

1829
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:06,760
Speaker 1: But I'm going under with you, guys, I'm going just

1830
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 1: under it. I'm excited. Everybody's excited. He had the crazy offseason.

1831
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:15,000
Speaker 3: Trained with Matt Bonner that wanted to include and the

1832
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:18,800
Speaker 3: people you've tray very funny.

1833
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 1: Mat, Yeah, who is the list? Kevin, Kevin Garnett? Yeah,

1834
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:26,479
Speaker 1: obviously is that the Temple Shall Monks. He definitely shout,

1835
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 1: oh yeah, and Kevin Garnett and then Matt. Yeah, that's awesome.

1836
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 1: He's already got some fire quotes in the preseason too.

1837
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 1: He's talking talking his ship already, he's got confidence. That'll

1838
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:44,920
Speaker 1: be awesome. Look, I'll be happy as just an NBA

1839
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:47,519
Speaker 1: fan if he like levels up here in year three

1840
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:49,719
Speaker 1: immediately and he's like leading his team to fifty.

1841
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:52,120
Speaker 3: The year that's the year that people explode in the NBA.

1842
01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 3: Derek Rows one MVP his third year.

1843
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:57,840
Speaker 1: Right now, he did lose half a year last year.

1844
01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:01,360
Speaker 1: Does that help him even helps him getting rest? Who knows.

1845
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:04,280
Speaker 1: We'll see. Let's get our picks, our locks, I should

1846
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:07,240
Speaker 1: say our Western Conference three locks each task. Get us

1847
01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:09,080
Speaker 1: started here. Well, you're putting your money on.

1848
01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:14,400
Speaker 2: I'm a super optimistic person. I'm taking three overs here.

1849
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:19,320
Speaker 2: I'm starting with Denver. I do believe just in their squad,

1850
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:23,040
Speaker 2: fifty five wins is gettable for this roster, taking them

1851
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:26,799
Speaker 2: New Orleans thirty one and a half. It's all belief

1852
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:28,480
Speaker 2: in zion woms playing basketball.

1853
01:26:29,439 --> 01:26:29,960
Speaker 1: I'm buying.

1854
01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 2: It was only two years ago where he played in

1855
01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:36,200
Speaker 2: seventy games. So there was one bad year last year.

1856
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:38,879
Speaker 2: But to me, he figured it out through his trainer

1857
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:42,320
Speaker 2: how to get right. He said, whoa feels good to

1858
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:42,840
Speaker 2: feel good?

1859
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:44,040
Speaker 1: And he learned that.

1860
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:47,040
Speaker 2: And so coming into this year, even though they're lacking

1861
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:50,040
Speaker 2: a little bit in support staff, their support team, I

1862
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:52,880
Speaker 2: think they'll be fine with Trey Murphy, an old guy

1863
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:56,519
Speaker 2: eating minutes at center in Kevon Looney and those hungry

1864
01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:59,439
Speaker 2: guys like Alvarado backing up. And then on my third

1865
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:03,320
Speaker 2: optimistic overpick, I'm taking the Mavericks at forty one and

1866
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:06,519
Speaker 2: a half over. I think they just have enough talent

1867
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:09,719
Speaker 2: to get them there. Kyrie's coming back at some point.

1868
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:14,519
Speaker 2: There's they're two stacked. So I was of also comfortable

1869
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 2: taking it over at a fifty number, a thirty number

1870
01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:21,120
Speaker 2: and a forty number, right, nicers.

1871
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:22,960
Speaker 1: You got the Yeah, the Tiers already got nuggets as

1872
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:25,360
Speaker 1: that sort of elite over the Mavericks as sort of

1873
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:28,040
Speaker 1: the middle over. And then the Pelicans says that's way

1874
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:30,080
Speaker 1: too low. They should be over thirty one and a half.

1875
01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:32,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, I understand what people are betting under

1876
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:34,960
Speaker 2: on all those that's why.

1877
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:39,639
Speaker 1: That's why this is. That's betting tray or three Western

1878
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 1: Conference over under locks.

1879
01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:46,599
Speaker 3: California love for me, three California teams, no crossover with tasks,

1880
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 3: that's ice.

1881
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:47,400
Speaker 1: I like that.

1882
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:50,000
Speaker 3: I'm taking the Clippers over forty seven and a half. Okay,

1883
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:53,240
Speaker 3: I'm taking the Kings over thirty four and a half. Yeah,

1884
01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:55,759
Speaker 3: I'm taking the Warriors under forty six and a half.

1885
01:27:55,960 --> 01:28:00,120
Speaker 1: Those are my locks. Okay, Interesting? Interesting, I like what

1886
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:01,759
Speaker 1: what I like about that is you like one old

1887
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:03,519
Speaker 1: team you sort of believe in, and the Clippers I

1888
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:05,280
Speaker 1: guess to hit there over and then maybe the Warrior

1889
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:06,960
Speaker 1: is not as much with the forty six and a half,

1890
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:08,720
Speaker 1: though it's also the rest of the roster. I think

1891
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:10,040
Speaker 1: you're taking the CONCESI.

1892
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:12,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the back end of the Clippers roster

1893
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:14,559
Speaker 3: is better than the back end of the Warriors roster,

1894
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:16,040
Speaker 3: and I expect both of them to have to play

1895
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:17,000
Speaker 3: their back ends a lot.

1896
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:21,200
Speaker 1: Okay, well, back end chat for you. Watch your nut ass,

1897
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:26,080
Speaker 1: all right. I like the picks. I have one same pick,

1898
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:28,439
Speaker 1: and that's with you, Tass. I like the Pelicans over

1899
01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:31,679
Speaker 1: thirty one and a half. I believe in Skinny's ion

1900
01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:33,479
Speaker 1: as well, and I went through if they just play

1901
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:35,400
Speaker 1: their main guy sixty games, I think it's enough to

1902
01:28:35,439 --> 01:28:37,640
Speaker 1: get there. I like the Wolves over forty nine and

1903
01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:40,559
Speaker 1: a half. I'm gonna lock that one in with obviously

1904
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:43,559
Speaker 1: an identity coming into the season, I'm splitting the difference

1905
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:45,240
Speaker 1: if they were forty nine last year and fifty six

1906
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:47,160
Speaker 1: year before. I think it's somewhere in the middle. I

1907
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:49,479
Speaker 1: got them like at fifty two to fifty three, and

1908
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:53,120
Speaker 1: I'll take an under on the Champions Raginning Champions. I'm

1909
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:57,240
Speaker 1: gonna take the thunder under under sixty to two and

1910
01:28:57,280 --> 01:29:02,960
Speaker 1: a half that time. Many. Hi, they're awesome. I love

1911
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:06,400
Speaker 1: watching them that. I think they'll just be closer to

1912
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:08,759
Speaker 1: the sixty win mark than a hitting sixty three plus.

1913
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:13,519
Speaker 1: So Pelican's over Wols over thunder under, thunder under. Those

1914
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:17,120
Speaker 1: are our locks. Let's hear from you out there. Either

1915
01:29:17,240 --> 01:29:19,920
Speaker 1: on YouTube right now, let us know in the comments

1916
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:23,000
Speaker 1: section podcast listeners. You can let us know. On Spotify.

1917
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:25,960
Speaker 1: You know you can comment on Spotify. You've been jumping

1918
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:29,160
Speaker 1: in there. Yeah, it's nice. Yeah, people commenting on the show.

1919
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:30,960
Speaker 1: It's sort of cool because you just comment on each show.

1920
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:34,320
Speaker 1: I like that part. It's like no different than the YouTube.

1921
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:36,960
Speaker 1: Like you, So let's hear your picks there. People that

1922
01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:39,040
Speaker 1: listen on an Apple, I don't know, you can't do it there,

1923
01:29:39,080 --> 01:29:41,880
Speaker 1: So that's fine. Tweet at us at no dunk Sinc.

1924
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:44,320
Speaker 1: I mean you can leave reviews on Apple still you

1925
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:46,479
Speaker 1: can leave reviews. Yeah, yeah, just I meant you can't

1926
01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:47,439
Speaker 1: comment on each show?

1927
01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:52,840
Speaker 2: True, yeah, true, it's better wha Spotify is more of

1928
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:56,360
Speaker 2: a chat almost almost call it a chat. It seems

1929
01:29:56,360 --> 01:29:59,240
Speaker 2: like Apple, it's harder to get in there and leave

1930
01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:00,720
Speaker 2: a review, so.

1931
01:30:00,479 --> 01:30:02,400
Speaker 1: I find it. I do find it a little easier

1932
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:04,960
Speaker 1: on Spotify. Yeah, yeah, that's all I gotta say.

1933
01:30:05,160 --> 01:30:05,479
Speaker 2: I like it.

1934
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:08,799
Speaker 3: I like the long lasting nature of the Apple reviews. Yes,

1935
01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:11,160
Speaker 3: because you're never going to go back to a show

1936
01:30:11,200 --> 01:30:12,759
Speaker 3: from three weeks ago to check the comments.

1937
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:15,439
Speaker 1: No, never, No, you've got twenty four hours for me

1938
01:30:15,479 --> 01:30:19,439
Speaker 1: to check. That's right. But let's hear who you guys

1939
01:30:19,479 --> 01:30:22,360
Speaker 1: think your favorites. When it comes to the Western Conference

1940
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:26,360
Speaker 1: over Underlocks, make sure you go check out Monday's Eastern

1941
01:30:26,360 --> 01:30:29,280
Speaker 1: Conference over Underlocks. We did all fifteen teams obviously, went

1942
01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:31,640
Speaker 1: through the mall, made our cases, and then made our

1943
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:33,400
Speaker 1: picks for our locks at the end of that. So

1944
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:36,559
Speaker 1: that is up on YouTube obviously in your podcast feed

1945
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:38,880
Speaker 1: as well, so go check that out. We're back on

1946
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:42,080
Speaker 1: Friday here from the Classic Factory two point zero with

1947
01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:43,960
Speaker 1: a fun one for you guys. We're going to do

1948
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:49,920
Speaker 1: a draft first time All Stars draft potential first time

1949
01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:50,519
Speaker 1: All Stars.

1950
01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:53,240
Speaker 2: We have to factor in the new format.

1951
01:30:53,400 --> 01:30:58,960
Speaker 1: Yes you do, Yeah you do. I totally forgot about it. Boy. Yeah,

1952
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:01,960
Speaker 1: that's going to make things tricky. But we'll be drafted

1953
01:31:02,120 --> 01:31:04,320
Speaker 1: first time All Stars. So I don't know how many

1954
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:07,960
Speaker 1: rounds you guys want to do, four or five or

1955
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:08,439
Speaker 1: something like that.

1956
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:10,400
Speaker 2: I don't think the NBA is factoring it in. We'll

1957
01:31:10,439 --> 01:31:12,639
Speaker 2: get They don't know what.

1958
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:13,240
Speaker 4: You do it.

1959
01:31:13,240 --> 01:31:16,400
Speaker 1: You're right, they're just like decided we're playing world, the

1960
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:21,360
Speaker 1: world versus America. Yeah America, yeah, yeah, right right right. Anyway,

1961
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:21,920
Speaker 1: that's on Friday.

1962
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Speaker 3: Show.

1963
01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:23,760
Speaker 1: Can't wait for that, so join us live at ten

1964
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:26,680
Speaker 1: am Eastern here on YouTube. Otherwise, podcast gets flipped very

1965
01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:31,719
Speaker 1: quickly by super producer JD. All Right till Friday, Clipper Rose.

1966
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Speaker 3: You heard it here first, have a great time, turn up,

1967
01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:36,120
Speaker 3: Love you guys, awesome.

1968
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, and remember it.

1969
01:31:37,479 --> 01:31:41,120
Speaker 2: There are twelve hundred and thirty NBA regular season games

1970
01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:43,160
Speaker 2: played every single year.

1971
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:46,240
Speaker 1: That could go into.

1972
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:50,160
Speaker 2: The odds and all that right now, but it's too

1973
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:54,040
Speaker 2: too late now, I'm not going to do it. But

1974
01:31:54,120 --> 01:31:58,919
Speaker 2: the Western Conference far more wins projected than the Eastern Conference.

1975
01:32:00,200 --> 01:32:03,960
Speaker 2: They still play the same amount of games, you know

1976
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:09,400
Speaker 2: what I mean, maybe if we have an expert from

1977
01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:13,800
Speaker 2: a company to come assist. Basically, they're saying that less

1978
01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:17,040
Speaker 2: games are gonna be one in general, I mean according

1979
01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:18,559
Speaker 2: to that list, sense right, what do you mean?

1980
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:20,400
Speaker 1: Well, the Western Conference is probably have a better record

1981
01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:21,680
Speaker 1: against the Eastern Conference.

1982
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:26,080
Speaker 2: But overall the Western Conference seems ad up to six

1983
01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:28,320
Speaker 2: hundred and fifteen wins, about six hundred and fifteen wins,

1984
01:32:28,360 --> 01:32:31,120
Speaker 2: while the Eastern Conference adds up to like five hundred

1985
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:33,519
Speaker 2: and ninety seven or something. So you add those up,

1986
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:36,200
Speaker 2: that's like twelve ten. This is gonna be like twenty

1987
01:32:36,200 --> 01:32:40,240
Speaker 2: games and no one wins. I mean, yeah, yeah, that's

1988
01:32:40,280 --> 01:32:40,920
Speaker 2: not how it works.

1989
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Speaker 1: But anyway, the guys Friday Embrace the day. People