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Speaker 2: home energy assessments. In this week's Giants Huddle. To start

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Speaker 2: off Draft week is the senior draft analyst from our Lads.

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Speaker 2: His boss, Dan Shaka, has always been a front of

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Speaker 2: the program, Dave Severtzen. Dave's good to talking man. How

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Speaker 2: are you John?

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for having me on. Honored to be

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Speaker 1: here on behalf of the Shakas and our lads been

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Speaker 1: with them for a decade now. Just got to see

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Speaker 1: them recently down in Arizona. So really happy to be

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Speaker 1: here and talk some chop with you.

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Speaker 2: How is Dan doing, by the way.

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Speaker 1: Awesome, so much better, you know, his improvement just every

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Speaker 1: few weeks. It seems like I had a great conversation

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Speaker 1: with him. He's definitely still there. He was still involved

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Speaker 1: in the draft guide. Wanted to throw in his input,

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Speaker 1: especially with the quarterbacks and offensive line. And that's a

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Speaker 1: special a guy that had Jalen Hurts as a really

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Speaker 1: high graded quarterback just a few years ago, and here

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Speaker 1: we are, so he's still there. I mean, it's guy

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Speaker 1: just eats, sleeps and breeze scouting and it's been an

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Speaker 1: honor to be around him for that long.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Dan's tremendous. He's overed a stroke a couple of

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Speaker 2: years ago. It's glad to hear that he is doing

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Speaker 2: really well. And on the mend, all right, Dave, we're

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Speaker 2: gonna have Shon o'haraon later in the week and do

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Speaker 2: like a full offensive lineman blowout. So I'm gonna leave

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Speaker 2: that to the side, except for one question in your analysis.

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Speaker 2: Is any offensive lineman that place, center or guard worth

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Speaker 2: your bang for the buck with a late first round

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Speaker 1: I have one, and I'm assuming we're gonna keep Scarrotsky

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Speaker 1: stack as well. But Osire's Torrens is the one guy

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Speaker 1: that I think is worthy of the discussion at twenty

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Speaker 1: fifth overall, just because of how physically dominant he played.

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Speaker 1: This kid could have come out last, could have stayed

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Speaker 1: at Louisiana and been a first round pick in this draft.

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Speaker 1: He opted to follow Bill Napier, the head coach, over

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Speaker 1: And this is a lineman that was over four hundred

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Speaker 1: with Kevin Dotson, Robert Hunt, Max Mitchell, all future NFL

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Speaker 1: lineman at that time as a freshman, and the fact

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Speaker 1: that he kept progressing year after year and played his

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Speaker 1: best football in the SEC and showed out against Jalen

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Speaker 1: Carter confirmed that he should be in their first round discussion.

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Speaker 1: Positional value as part of that. The Giants fit is

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Speaker 1: part of that. But to not talk about him as

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Speaker 1: a possibility it would be a crime.

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Speaker 2: So you push centers though. The Schmidz is, the Tipmans,

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Speaker 2: I like the center tape in twenty twenty one, you

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Speaker 2: would wait till day two for that set.

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Speaker 1: Day two, you might have to trade up. If you're

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Speaker 2: Now, agreat, I'm with you on that. All right, let's

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Speaker 2: to wide receiver. We're gonna try to focus in here

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Speaker 2: on the giants days and picks one through three, Dave, So,

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Speaker 2: how do you stand on this wide receiver class? Because

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Speaker 2: it's a weird class. I feel pretty confidently that there

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Speaker 2: of fits with what the Giants have at twenty five

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they crowded that wide receiver room this offseason,

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Speaker 1: But macro level this class as a whole, it's very

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Speaker 1: I mean that guy is he's will Fuller, right, and

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Speaker 1: tell me this, John, would you sign for will Fuller?

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Speaker 1: You know, pre injury, this guy led the league in

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Speaker 1: What is their identity of the passing game? Is it

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Speaker 1: he's there. Tell me the wide receiver duo that gained

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Speaker 1: want it, there's no question. But can you make an

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Speaker 2: How do you stack that group? Then I'll throw Hide

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Speaker 2: I know all the people don't have him in there,

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Speaker 2: but I'm throw him in there anyway. I love Josh Downs.

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Speaker 2: into that group too. How do you stack those four?

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Speaker 1: So so my top the top four guys in my

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Speaker 2: I love now this, by the way, I should have

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Speaker 1: The separate The thing about this wide receiver class, and

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Speaker 1: so many guys stacked. Like you said, there's no true standout,

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Speaker 1: but the volume of receivers that are going to make

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Speaker 1: that some of these guys are just very similar numerically,

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Speaker 1: their grades are very very close to each other, but

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Speaker 1: they have a couple different flavors to them that based

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think they're probably they're so underrated, how

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Speaker 1: the coaching staff kind of meshes with one of these

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you. So I guess when you're talking

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Speaker 2: I agree with both of your statements, and I think

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Speaker 1: That's the million dollar question. Right, you can play the

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Speaker 1: assume one of these guys is going to be there.

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Speaker 1: And this is what I like about grouping guys in stacks, right,

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Speaker 1: But it's going to come down to if you see

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Speaker 2: And yeah, not a little bit not a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean the nightmare would be, what John, you

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Speaker 1: go into the third round with the you know, maybe

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Speaker 1: and I think they have pieces here to make things

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Speaker 1: of Dablon Jones all that. I don't think that they

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Speaker 1: But if one of their macro level approaches in this

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Speaker 1: draft is that we need another playmaker to increase our

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Speaker 1: you got to get one of your top five or

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Speaker 1: I believe they have to go into draft weekend not

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Speaker 1: if you start to see some of these guys come

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Speaker 2: Who are some of those second round value guys that

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Speaker 1: I love Marvin Mins because I don't think there's much

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Speaker 1: He is AJ Brown reincarnated a little bit more raw.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you one hundred percent. All right, So

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Speaker 1: On Day three, Dave, Day three, I would say a

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Speaker 2: Good all right, I'm with you. I think trying to

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Speaker 2: But look, I don't think you can count on him

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Speaker 2: Witherspoon Gonzales going to be there, but one of those

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Speaker 2: The problem, Dave, is that I don't think any of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, hey, I would drive you to the

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Speaker 1: But that's a risky, risky place to go if you're

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Speaker 2: I think twenty and later, right somewhere in that range.

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Speaker 1: But this is a scenario where I trust this defensive

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Speaker 2: Yeah, on one hundred percent agree. And I think a

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Speaker 2: That's the guy I think that still has some upside

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Speaker 1: You, Yep, they're back to back on my stackboard, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm higher on Ringo than most. I think that he

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Speaker 2: him Davin that in a press man scheme. I think

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00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,760
Speaker 2: I prefer him reading the quarterback and either in an

433
00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,919
Speaker 2: off or zone. I think that's where he's best. So

434
00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,880
Speaker 2: I wouldn't consider him with the Giants there just because

435
00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:55,960
Speaker 2: not I don't think he's going to player. I just

436
00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,720
Speaker 2: don't think ideally, And please disagree with me if you

437
00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:00,960
Speaker 2: think I'm off base with this. I don't think he's

438
00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:02,760
Speaker 2: the guy you want with is back to the quarterback.

439
00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:04,800
Speaker 2: I want him looking at the quarterback to take advantage

440
00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:05,880
Speaker 2: of his playmaking skills.

441
00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:08,320
Speaker 1: You're exactly right, you did your homework on him, because

442
00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,320
Speaker 1: that's the biggest issue you had. There's two issues in

443
00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,000
Speaker 1: his game that are going to show up in the NFL,

444
00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:13,480
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have to scheme around it. And I

445
00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,640
Speaker 1: don't know if that scheme fits for the Giants, right.

446
00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,320
Speaker 1: And this is what's one thing that's unique about the

447
00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,520
Speaker 1: cornerback position and scouting it and projecting it to the NFL.

448
00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,000
Speaker 1: It is so much about scheme. You could have a

449
00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,399
Speaker 1: guy that is a perfect fit, top thirty overall player

450
00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,320
Speaker 1: for one team, and another team won't even have him

451
00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,040
Speaker 1: on their board. Forbes might be that guy out of

452
00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,720
Speaker 1: this cornerback group on my personal stack, a guy that

453
00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,560
Speaker 1: does not work for a team. He's my number six corner.

454
00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,040
Speaker 1: He is worthy of a late first, early second. You're

455
00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,719
Speaker 1: approaching the area and at a very valuable position that's

456
00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:44,879
Speaker 1: hard to fill. So yeah, he should be in the

457
00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:46,800
Speaker 1: picture if you're picking at the end of the first round.

458
00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,960
Speaker 1: But for this scheme, like you said, I don't see

459
00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,560
Speaker 1: him doing a good job. Jam and DK metcalf at

460
00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:54,680
Speaker 1: the line and running with him downfield. You know that

461
00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,720
Speaker 1: he's tough, but one hundred and sixty pounds is one

462
00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,080
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty pounds. You know, it doesn't matter how

463
00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,119
Speaker 1: tough you are in certain scenarios. And then you had

464
00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,000
Speaker 1: the durability every time he gets mixed up with a

465
00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,560
Speaker 1: downhill running back Brian Robinson from the Commander is coming

466
00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,120
Speaker 1: down on downhill on him. I'm gonna worry if he's

467
00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,440
Speaker 1: gonna get up every single time, and one of these

468
00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,920
Speaker 1: times he's not going to. And you know, we could

469
00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:16,919
Speaker 1: talk about this with the receivers as well. Are you

470
00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,480
Speaker 1: adding another Cordell flat to your system? You know, just

471
00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,400
Speaker 1: a little undersized, little sleek. Do you want a little

472
00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:23,760
Speaker 1: more balance out of that group?

473
00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you mentioned dk Metcalf the giants of

474
00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:31,040
Speaker 2: aj Brown twice a year. Yeah, that's sixty pounds literally

475
00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:35,960
Speaker 2: sixty pounds. Yeah, I mean I played basketball against guys

476
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,600
Speaker 2: that are sixty pounds heavier than me. And guess what,

477
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:39,840
Speaker 2: sometimes you just get no those times you just have

478
00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:40,320
Speaker 2: no chance.

479
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, no chance, especially especially when you don't get to

480
00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,280
Speaker 1: really square yourself up. You know, that's what would worry

481
00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,280
Speaker 1: you in press coverage. And like you said, a lot

482
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,840
Speaker 1: of his production, his big plays, and he's got plenty

483
00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,200
Speaker 1: of them, and I think it's worth a team looking

484
00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,280
Speaker 1: at absolutely, But it came, like you said, looking at

485
00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,639
Speaker 1: the quarterback and if you're not going to have him,

486
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:01,640
Speaker 1: du a lot and that You're not gonna have him

487
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,359
Speaker 1: do that often in this scheme, you have to question

488
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:05,240
Speaker 1: if the fit is right.

489
00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 2: No, I'm with you, and by the way, I should

490
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,560
Speaker 2: have followed up earlier, but you mentioned big wide receivers

491
00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:10,680
Speaker 2: and it clicked in my head that I forgot to

492
00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,280
Speaker 2: follow up with you on this. You a Tilman very

493
00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 2: high on your list I did. I like Tilman. I

494
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:20,639
Speaker 2: think he's a really good Maybe he's a little strong

495
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 2: to call me a possession receiver. I think that's what

496
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,440
Speaker 2: he was in twenty twenty two, but I think in

497
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,280
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one you so a little bit more than

498
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 2: that before that high ankle sprain. So you think he

499
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,920
Speaker 2: has more big play upside than maybe I do. Would

500
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,639
Speaker 2: be my guest as to why you have him rate

501
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 2: a lot higher than me.

502
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,720
Speaker 1: I do, And I'm gonna say this, I'm gonna put

503
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,920
Speaker 1: myself out there. His twenty twenty one tape is better

504
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,359
Speaker 1: than any receiver in this class other than Smith and

505
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 1: Jagba from twenty twenty is what as well? I say.

506
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:48,919
Speaker 1: I think Smith and Jagbu is the number one guy

507
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,120
Speaker 1: in this group, but take everyone else out, even Addison's

508
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 1: Balletnikov Award winning season Tilman's tape from that year was

509
00:21:55,840 --> 00:22:00,960
Speaker 1: better and Georgia twenty two hundred yards and touchdown right

510
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 1: Alabama seven catches, one hundred yards and a touchdown. He

511
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 1: has a career drop rate under five percent, Zay Flowers

512
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 1: over ten percent, Quentin Johnson over ten percent. He's a

513
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,359
Speaker 1: contested catch machine, right, so if you're gonna be a

514
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,120
Speaker 1: possession receiver, which is fair because he's not a four

515
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,439
Speaker 1: to four guy and he's not very elusive after the catch.

516
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,160
Speaker 1: So he's kind of like in that a Keem nicks

517
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 1: Amani tumor fold.

518
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 2: Is Michael johnnas See.

519
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 1: Maybe a little bit, maybe, yeah, maybe. I think Thomas

520
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,679
Speaker 1: has a little bit more fluidity in his route running

521
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,439
Speaker 1: and Tilman. I think one negative is that when Hypel

522
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 1: came and picked took over that offense at Tennessee, they

523
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 1: don't change sides of the field, let alone have a

524
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 1: guy go inside outside. He was on the right side

525
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,840
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two. I think all

526
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 1: but three snaps, and that might not be a big deal.

527
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,879
Speaker 1: It might be, you don't know, it's a box that

528
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 1: remains unchecked. The ankle injury, without a doubt, slowed him

529
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 1: down he was moving a lot worse. I'll tell you what,

530
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,679
Speaker 1: how many receivers and I think Dable's gonna love this.

531
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 1: How many receivers would have shut it down and said, hey,

532
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,199
Speaker 1: look at my twenty twenty one tape. I'm good, bro,

533
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 1: I'm not coming back. I'm gonna get ready for my combine.

534
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 1: I don't want to do any He had a really

535
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 1: a tight rope procedure, which is a little risky for

536
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 1: a ride receiver to take in the middle of the season,

537
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 1: comes back and fights his way through the end of

538
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,159
Speaker 1: the year, and I think that's an intangible that we

539
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 1: don't see that often anymore. It seems to me that

540
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,959
Speaker 1: it's like the popular thing. It's the majority of players

541
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 1: now they opt out of their bowl game because they're

542
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 1: just afraid of getting hurt. They put in their time,

543
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 1: they're ready to go tillman. He put himself out there.

544
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 1: And you talk about in the class of a bunch

545
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 1: of small, shifty, undersided wide receivers. This guy looks like

546
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 1: a giant. He's six three two thirteen thirty three inch arms,

547
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 1: eighty inch wing span. I think the Giants need another guy.

548
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 1: If you're gonna tell me to pick a perfect wide

549
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 1: receiver for this team. It's a it's a Cedric Tillman type.

550
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 2: No, I agree. I think you're kind of putting that

551
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 2: basketball team together then, which is kind of what you

552
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 2: want to do, right exactly, all right, switching back to defense.

553
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 2: I didn't mean the detours there, but I did follow

554
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 2: up on on on that when you mentioned that a

555
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 2: wide receiver, which I thought was interesting and quit Johnson,

556
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,199
Speaker 2: by the way, scares me a little bit, to be

557
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 2: honest with you, you know, yep, he is a weird

558
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 2: mismash of traits to me. He's kind of a skinnier,

559
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 2: tall guy. So you figure downfield threat, contested catch guy,

560
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 2: you know, attacks the ball well, but he drops and

561
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 2: he body can. He's not good down in the field,

562
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 2: but he's tawny skinny, but he's great after the catch.

563
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 2: Like it just doesn't make sense to me, which is

564
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,120
Speaker 2: why I don't know if this is just a guy

565
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 2: in the Big twelve taking advantage of bad defenses, or

566
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 2: that's something that is actually going to transfer. So I

567
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 2: think upsidewise, he might be the best in this class.

568
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 2: He scares the hell out of me. I'm not gonna

569
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 2: lie here.

570
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: We speak the same language on him. John I have

571
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 1: written down here that if each one of these receivers

572
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 1: hits their true ceiling, he will be the best. But

573
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 1: he has a long route to go to get there,

574
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: and so many boxes unchecked. He plays in that sunny

575
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 1: Dike's offense, right, And if you look at a lot

576
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: of the receivers that he worked with throughout the different

577
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: programs right California SMU, there's only one receiver that really

578
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 1: had success at the next level. He actually does fit

579
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 1: the profile of Johnson, and that's Courtland Sutton from his

580
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 1: days at SMU. Is that is similar, right, six three

581
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: to six, four to twenty, I mean Sutton was two twenty.

582
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 1: I don't think Johnson wade in that big but similar

583
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 1: forty times similar weaknesses to his game. The question is

584
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 1: if he hits that ceiling, is that worth a twenty

585
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,400
Speaker 1: fifth overall pick. Personally, I think Johnson's gonna fall into

586
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 1: Round two because the amount of boxes that remain unchecked.

587
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: If his hands were a little bit better, I would

588
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: feel better about him. That's one thing I just don't

589
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: I don't want to see someone drafted in the first

590
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: round that can't catch the ball consistently.

591
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 2: No I'm with you, all right, let's go to the

592
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 2: edge class. Because I'm with you. I think it's a

593
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 2: pretty deep class. Think it's funk class, and frankly, I

594
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 2: think when all is said and done, that's where you

595
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 2: might find value for the giants when you get to

596
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: that twenty five area like that would not surprise me.

597
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 2: I think we can all assume that. Obviously, you know

598
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 2: Anderson will be off the board. We can assume Nolan

599
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,959
Speaker 2: Smith is gonna be off the board. I'll assume that

600
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 2: Lucas van This is gonna be off the board. I

601
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 2: don't have him as a top fifteen guy, but I

602
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 2: think he's gonna be gone. Then I think it's interesting.

603
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 2: Like Miles Murphy, I think it could get there. He's

604
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 2: certainly worth it as a guy that I think is

605
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 2: a little more raw than other people do. But I

606
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 2: think he's obviously very talented. Then you get into the

607
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 2: Will McDonald bg Ojulari category, which I think is interesting.

608
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 2: How do you view that kind of back into the

609
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 2: first top of the second in terms of edge rushers

610
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 2: that you like that could kind of fit that win

611
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 2: Martindale's game.

612
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,479
Speaker 1: So one thing that this edge group misses out on

613
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 1: me that Martindale had a lot in Baltimore is side

614
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 1: power strength. The average edge defender under Martin Dale and

615
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 1: Baltimore was between two sixty five and two seventy five

616
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 1: Miles Murphy two seventy six foot five. Some are going

617
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: to say he's a classic four or three defensive end.

618
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: In my opinion, that doesn't really matter. For Martindale, He'll

619
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: make it work, and I do believe coin flip. I

620
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 1: think I'm going to err on the side of him

621
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: being there at twenty five, and just like a couple

622
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: of these other guys that we talked about, at the

623
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 1: very least, it needs to be a discussion because for

624
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 1: two reasons, you have no death right now. If Thibodeaux

625
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: or Ojilari goes down again, just coming off a year

626
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: where you missed ten games, who's stepping in right, Murphy

627
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: you come Even if they'd stay healthy, we know this.

628
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 1: We've both followed the Giants for a long time. You

629
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: can never have enough of these guys, you know, A

630
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: to keep them fresh and B in case an injury

631
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: pops up. And so I just think that the combination

632
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: of the Giants step chart what Martindale likes on the

633
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 1: edge that he currently does not have, and the fact

634
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 1: that Ojelari, I like him, was not drafted by this regime.

635
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 1: He was not hand selected by these guys. Miles Murphy

636
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 1: is definitely in play if he's there at twenty five,

637
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,479
Speaker 1: and I think it would be a great pick. You know,

638
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: if there's one thing that Martin delle defense does not

639
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: do well consistently, I would say is defend the run.

640
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: And one of his main principles who's defending the run

641
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 1: is you have to have the edgsetter. I think that's

642
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: why they brought back Jo Hogward.

643
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 2: Oh for sure.

644
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: You know, not not a traditional outside linebacker by any

645
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 1: means or edge defender, and he can shift inside and out.

646
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: Miles Murphy kind of gives them a younger, more athletic,

647
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: higher upside version of that player for the long term.

648
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 2: How do you like the smaller edges for that group

649
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:42,959
Speaker 2: or do you think that's not a fit for all

650
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 2: wings trying to do especially since you have, you know,

651
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: to twitch your guys already in house with Thibodeau Jelari.

652
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I like Nolan Smith, I like Will McDonald,

653
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: I like bj o'jelari. You know, he's another one. We

654
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: gotta be a little careful with a couple of injury

655
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: issues that he had during the season last year. He

656
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: fought through them, but that's something you just have to consider.

657
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: I don't see him as being as a Round one guy,

658
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: but McDonald had he's the best bender in the class,

659
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: and there are some exceptions every year where you say,

660
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: all right, he doesn't fit my profile, but there are

661
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: things he can do that you know are going to

662
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: help this defense play. And similar to what Bowser did

663
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: in Baltimore when Martindale was there, a little undersize two

664
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: hundred and forty pounds coming out of Houston, and McDonald

665
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: kind of fits that mold. Probably even at a higher level,

666
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: you know, there isn't anyone that's going to get around

667
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: a tackle and flatten that edge as well as him

668
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: and you. So there's a place for him. If a

669
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: guy has real true pass rush potential that can wreck

670
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: a game, you got to be able to find a

671
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: spot for him, and the Giants have multiple spots available.

672
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: But I also think the interior that defensive line, what

673
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: do you think about that. There's a couple of guys

674
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: that are on the interior in this draft class that

675
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: I think no one's talking about two of them. One

676
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: of them is my kind of like a sleep sleeper

677
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: that I have. I'm higher on him than what the

678
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: market is saying. I believe, but it's at a bar

679
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: a from Northwestern.

680
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 2: I'm a big fan too, are you all right?

681
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: Let's go.

682
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 2: I like the fact that he's short, but he's got

683
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 2: long arms, which creates natural leverage. He was misused at

684
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 2: the wrong position in college. I think it just I

685
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 2: think it has underrated what he can be in the NFL.

686
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: You know this Elijah Cancy talk at Pittsburgh. Good player.

687
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: I personally wouldn't touch him at with a high pick,

688
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: but I understand. I think that's a classic example of

689
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: helmet scouting when that name Aaron Donald is brought up.

690
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: The one player in this draft class that replicates Aaron

691
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: Donald left, right up and down is this kid from

692
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,719
Speaker 1: Northwestern at of barra At like you said, out of place.

693
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: He's on a team that went four and twenty over

694
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: the past two years with no talent around him along

695
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: the defensive front. So how many pass rush opportunities did

696
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: this guy really get in that kind of situation in

697
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: the Big ten? So you have to factor that in

698
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: and fact of the fact that he's still had sixty pressures,

699
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: sixty plus pressures, eleven sacks over that two year span,

700
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: playing a position that was probably not best for him,

701
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: with no talent around him. He goes to the Senior Bowl.

702
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: They almost put him exclusively at three tech, and he's

703
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: beating everybody, every single dominant. And then I look at

704
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: the numbers, the metrics, right, I'm not a huge metric

705
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: guy first, but I always look at them second tape

706
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: first metrics second. The metrics on him scream off the charts.

707
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald, he tested better than Aaron Donald. And I

708
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: don't want to put this kind of pressure on a

709
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: kid like this, but he is a top fifteen player

710
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: on my board. He plays a position that the giants

711
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: are probably going to need to fill in the next

712
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: year or two. I don't know what's going to happen

713
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: with Leonard Williams. You might know board than I do

714
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: about that subject, but this is the guy that I

715
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: think can really kind of bring this defensive pass rush

716
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: to the next level. You know, you put a Dexter

717
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: Lawrence at of Borra and the two edge guys out there,

718
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: now you have something working for the next five six years.

719
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 2: Would he be too rich for you at twenty five

720
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 2: or would you start thinking about him there?

721
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: Even I would start think about him there. I think

722
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: this kid's a first round pick, and I think he's

723
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: gonna go in the first round two and I'm not

724
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: going to look past him going to the top twenty

725
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: so to twenty five. Absolutely, I think this kid is

726
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: worthy of a discussion at that pick. This second, I'm sorry, sorry,

727
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: this the second interior guy is Murphy's teammate, Brian.

728
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 2: Exactly what I was about to ask you about. Go ahead.

729
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: Leonard Williams type player, if you really think about it, right,

730
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: He's a kind of like a tweener the end d

731
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: tackle has more of a body of a detackle. Probably

732
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: not the best run defender. I love Leonard Williams, but

733
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,959
Speaker 1: he does you know, might be scheming, but he's a

734
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: penetrator that can disrupt the backfield. That's what you're paying

735
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: him to do.

736
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 2: I think Brazi needs to get a little stronger. He

737
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 2: does get plushed around a little bit.

738
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: So you go back to his true freshman season ACC

739
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: Defensive Player, Newcomer of the Year, First Team All ACC

740
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: tore it up right, back then, if you could rewind,

741
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: all of us would be saying top ten pick when

742
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: he comes out, no question. When twenty one comes around,

743
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: tears his ACL week four, pretty early in the year,

744
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: so you just didn't really get much of a feel.

745
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: Spends the year rehabbing the ACL, has the unbelievable, unfortunate

746
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: situation with his sister that is so much bigger than football.

747
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: I almost feel guilty talking about his scouting in regard

748
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: to that, but just knowing that that's going on in

749
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: your personal life, right. He gets put into the hospital

750
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: with an internal organ issue that made his weight fluctuate

751
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,479
Speaker 1: forty pounds up and down. His conditioning is a mess.

752
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: You know, he's still rehabbing the knee. He's got severe

753
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: personal issues. I don't think we saw the best of

754
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: him in twenty twenty two, and no credit, no disregarding

755
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: what went on. I mean, that would happen to any

756
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: of us, I think in a normal situation. So someone's

757
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: going to get a discount on this kid. Does he

758
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: need to get stronger, Yes, he does. The first thing

759
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: I wrote about him before I knew all this stuff

760
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: about going on with the hospital was his lower body

761
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: does not look like the lower body of NFL defensive linemen.

762
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: It's a little loose, it's a little small, and that

763
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: kind of plays to his favor. With the way he moves,

764
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: he does have great mobility for a guy that's pushing

765
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: three hundred pounds. He can turn left and right. He's

766
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: got great downfield bursts, he closes in on the action exceptionally. Well,

767
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 1: he's a violent player. But I think the draw here

768
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: in regard to the Giant's future is he could play everywhere.

769
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: You can line them up in so many different spots,

770
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: and he's going to penetrate. So someone's going to get

771
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: a discount in this kid, and I believe in him.

772
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: Is he worth a twenty fifth pick? I mean that's

773
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: right right around where he stacks up overall. So I

774
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: think there's gonna be a player available better than him.

775
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: But that's not a pick I would bash if they

776
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: take him.

777
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to day two. I don't think

778
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 2: there's a great DT class on day two, to be

779
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: honest with you, but edge you could. So if you

780
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 2: don't go edge early and you could, you know, maybe

781
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 2: one pops up on day two. I think it's a

782
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 2: deep group who are some of the guys that you like.

783
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: Dave Derek Hale from Auburn is just like just screams

784
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: ed rusher to me, so much juice and length. You know,

785
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: I love guys that play long. I'm a sucker for

786
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: that guy. If you know how to use your hands

787
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: and that that's a separator with a lot of young

788
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: pass rushers. They don't ever acquire that skill at a

789
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: high level. But if someone could tease that kid how

790
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: to use his hands on a consistent basis, he's going

791
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: to be a stud. He's going to cause a lot

792
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: of issues for opposing passers. So I like him somewhere

793
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 1: day two in a similar vibe. I like the kid

794
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: from Kansas State and the Duque Zoma just kind of

795
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: easy to watch, easy to scout. You just know what

796
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: he's doing. You know that he knows what he's doing.

797
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: He's great at bending, he's actually pretty good with his hands.

798
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: Doesn't have the power trait yet. Some of these young

799
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: pass rushers that come out, they check all these boxes.

800
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: You get a little nervous about them getting bodied by

801
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: an offensivettack in the NFL, I meaning they just kind

802
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: of get engulfed and they can't get off of them.

803
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: That's the one thing I have that kind of separates

804
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: him from being that, you know, maybe borderline first round pick,

805
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: but for a Day two I think it's great value.

806
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: I don't know if aldi Gay is a round two,

807
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: round three guy, but I'm really intrigued by him that

808
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 1: if the Giants go into Day three and they don't

809
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 1: have him that rusher yet, which is very possible because

810
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that they could use other

811
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: picks on a lot of spots. He's a kid that

812
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: I think got a little twisted in all the turmoil

813
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: around the LSU coaching staff in the recent years. Like

814
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: he came out as a true freshman and he was like,

815
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: per se, like this guy's going first round. When he

816
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: comes out, he just has all the tools to height, weight,

817
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: the speed, he could play in any scheme. And then

818
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: we saw him get a little nicked up, and then

819
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,439
Speaker 1: we saw him just not adjust to what we saw

820
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: early in his career. But the tools are there, and

821
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: what I love about him that coaches are gonna like

822
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: That's why I think he's got a shot it going

823
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,280
Speaker 1: a little bit higher. He's a try hard the engine,

824
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: it always runs hot. Violent player will always be found

825
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: running through the whistle. So that's a guy in this

826
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: scheme I think works out.

827
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 2: All right, let's bounce around a little to be your

828
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 2: day before we say goodbye. Brian Ranch didn't test great.

829
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 2: I watched him again today just to make sure I

830
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 2: remembered him correctly, because I watched him very early in

831
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 2: the process. Yeah, damn, he's a good freaking football player.

832
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 2: Man Like guys do not get separation on him. When

833
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 2: he covers him in the slot. I almost think it

834
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 2: was more of a slot corner than a safety. But

835
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 2: I think he can do both. You know, I don't

836
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 2: know if he's going to be there at twenty five,

837
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 2: but if he is, he's you know, I probably have

838
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 2: I haven't looked at my list. We need a couple

839
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 2: moved a couple guys. I probably swear on eighteen first

840
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 2: round grades, he's one of them. So if he's sitting

841
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 2: there at twenty five, even though it's a safety, I

842
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 2: got to think about him in this class.

843
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: You have to. And what's the biggest loss this defense

844
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: has had this offseason?

845
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 2: Love Julian Love.

846
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, this kid is Julian Love but better. And there

847
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: are so many parallels between Branch and Loves that It

848
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: almost I know this isn't what happened, but it almost

849
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: seems like, you know, we let Love go to Seattle,

850
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: a little bit of a price issue that I thought

851
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: Giants could have afforded. But maybe not. And maybe they

852
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: think that Branch is going to be there. They maybe

853
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: there are a couple of Nickel safeties that fit loves

854
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: role at a very high level. Chartavius Martin from Illinois

855
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,439
Speaker 1: another one. But on Branch right, this is a guy

856
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: that played dime linebacker slot nickel over the top. They

857
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: have Jordan Battle there. So we didn't play a lot

858
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: of free safety. This past year. We saw Julian Love

859
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: play a lot of free safety as Xavier McKinney was out,

860
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,959
Speaker 1: But that is exactly other than that. With McKinney out,

861
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: that's what Love did for the Giants defense. He was

862
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: in the box as a dime linebacker. He manned the slot,

863
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: He dropped into free safety coverages every now and then

864
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: with certain looks. Branch does that very similar physical profile.

865
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: And here's one other trait that the two of them

866
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 1: have near identical to each other. Julian Love was one

867
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 1: of the best tackling defenders in the NFL last year

868
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: in terms of like, he just didn't miss, right, I'm

869
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 1: gonna give you a number on Brian Branch. I just

870
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: want to make sure I get this right, Okay. His

871
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: mistackle rate three point three percent in twenty twenty twenty two,

872
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 1: zero misstackles in twenty twenty one. The guy doesn't miss

873
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: and you see how fast he closes in on the action.

874
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: You say, hey, Dave, he doesn't allow a lot of

875
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: separation as a coverman. The dude is smart. He is

876
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: Minka Fitzpatrick smart. He knows what's happening before it happens.

877
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: And that kind of player that can play multiple spots

878
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: in your secondary is invaluable. So I don't think he's

879
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: going to make it to twenty five, but if he does,

880
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: he's in the discussion, no question.

881
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 2: One percent agree. Are you as down on the inside

882
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 2: linebacker safety class? And that's not to say there aren't

883
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 2: some guys you can find later, but I feel like

884
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 2: there're you know, we're still in that small off ball

885
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,959
Speaker 2: linebacker group where everyone's small. But these guys didn't test

886
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 2: well enough to be that small and to get picked

887
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 2: high enough, right, And some guys are just really small,

888
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 2: like I've in paced his tape is fun, but my goodness,

889
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 2: he's tiny. And Jack Campbell I love. I would pick

890
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 2: him early second round all day, every day and be

891
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 2: happy with him. And then safety. You know, you tell

892
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 2: me with those groups anyone late that you think baby

893
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 2: people should be higher on them what they are?

894
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: Agree with you on linebackers, no first round grades, so

895
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: day two only. Don't sleep on Darren Beavers. I think

896
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 1: the staff believes and Darren Beavers, I think he's gonna

897
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: come back and be a force this year, So I

898
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna be a major priority for them.

899
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,720
Speaker 1: In terms of a late safety, there probably is room.

900
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: So what kind of safety are we looking for? Are

901
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 1: we looking for Julian Love type that can play a

902
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 1: lot of different spots? And man the nickel, I mean,

903
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: I love Dartavius Martin. I have a first second round

904
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: great on him. I don't think he's going to go

905
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: that high, but that Illinois second there his teammate Sidney Brown,

906
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: the running backs brother Chase Brown has been one of

907
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,720
Speaker 1: my favorite football players to watch over the past.

908
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 2: Two three years.

909
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: And then he throws out six interceptions this past year,

910
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 1: So you know, now you're saying a right, this guy

911
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 1: really is a complete player. But those guys are day two.

912
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,919
Speaker 1: If you're looking for a Day three option that kind

913
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 1: of fits that Julian Love type role. Look at Daniel

914
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: Scott from California, late invite to the scout and combine

915
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: and moves exactly like Love. Just precise footwork, great instincts,

916
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: great ball skills and sneaky speed over the top and

917
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: a lot of that sneaky speed talk that scouts talk about.

918
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: But they just know where to go before they got

919
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: to go to go there. They just read the action

920
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: very well. I get that VI from Daniel Scott, So

921
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: potential Day three pick there.

922
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 2: You talk about stacking guys, and I think running back

923
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 2: is interesting because you really do stack guys and I

924
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 2: think almost in categories, and they are very close to

925
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 2: each other in these middle rounds. Right, you know you

926
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 2: have the class that has Shane Taj Spears, Eric Gray.

927
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 2: I think there's some separation there. Spears is my favorite

928
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 2: of those three guys. Then you have all right do

929
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 2: you want between the tackles, You have McBride, you have Miller,

930
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 2: one of the guys am I thinking about in that group,

931
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 2: But Rodriguez will if you want to count him in there,

932
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 2: he's a little bit lower for me. But it just

933
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 2: seems like in this mid round, if you're looking for

934
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 2: a role player quote unquote at running back to do

935
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 2: something specific for you, even if they're not a three

936
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 2: down guy, there is a long list of good players

937
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 2: that you can grab.

938
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, we see this every year at this position. That's

939
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: why there's some chatter about running backs you never be

940
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: picked high. I don't agree with that that notion at all,

941
00:41:58,120 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: but I do agree that you can find good running

942
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: back later every year. So if that's the argument you're

943
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: going for, absolutely, and this class definitely applies to that.

944
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: So what do the Giants need more to complement what

945
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: they currently have? In my opinion, Barkley is not as

946
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: good as you thought he would be, as like a

947
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: short yardage goal line bruiser between the tackles. I don't

948
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: know if his personality base or he just loves to

949
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: get hoppy and doesn't really I would love for the

950
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: Giants to get a guy that can really just put

951
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: his head down and push the piles and let Barkley

952
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: escape that kind of role, you know, I think that's

953
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: going to help him stay more durable is to avoid

954
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: those heavy contact positions, and there's a couple guys in

955
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: this class. I think they can do that at a

956
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 1: high level. The backup running back from Texas Roshan Johnson,

957
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: who coaches are going to love because of what he

958
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 1: could do on special teams. But he's not a bad

959
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: running back either. Every now and then you get these

960
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: special players like Bijon and you don't really pay attention

961
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: to the fact that his backup is pretty good too,

962
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: and the way he runs it's a little reckless, but

963
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: I kind of want that behind Barkley, you know, just

964
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: for a few carries per game in that kind of situation.

965
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: That's a name. Ken dre Miller is another guy I

966
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: like a lot from a broken tackle perspective. I don't

967
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: know how. I don't know if we could categorize him

968
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: as a late draft pick, but his contact balance is

969
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: next level and that comes from vision, and vision is

970
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: hard to watch unless you watch a lot of football

971
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: from that particular player. And that's the one constant in

972
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: his game that we always saw was that he just

973
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: always absorbed contact, kind of like what Alvin Kamara does

974
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: in New Orleans. He's not a powerback, but he knows

975
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: when guys are about to hit him, he tightens up

976
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: and he bounces right off him. So those are a

977
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: couple of guys that I really like to kind of

978
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: back up Barkley and maybe even give you a few

979
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: carries late in the game.

980
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I think those are good names. Tight

981
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 2: end group. I almost you know, the Giants had the

982
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 2: trade for Waller. It was a good trade. They should

983
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 2: have done it. But I'm heartbroken that I can't start

984
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 2: targeting these tight ends in this draft, because boy, they're good.

985
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 2: So I think Mayer and Kincater legit first round grades

986
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 2: for me. I love Laporta. I think he's way on

987
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 2: the raid. He's gonna be good. Darnold Washington's unique, he's good.

988
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 2: You know, Musgravey, you're buying to his physical characteristic. Sure. Uh.

989
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 2: And then you got guys even like Koon's right, who

990
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 2: is a just you know, a unicorn tested well, but

991
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 2: you watch the tape and you're like, oh yeah, that's

992
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 2: like not Jilani Woods testing. That's like real testing. Like

993
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 2: he looks like that. You got the kid from Penn

994
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 2: State that can run around a little bit. You know,

995
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 2: Schoonmaker is interesting. In that offense, you know, can he

996
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 2: do more when he gets to the pros? Like it

997
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 2: is an unbelievable tight end class. I just love this group.

998
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: When I saw the trade, I thought the same thing

999
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: as you. It's like, all right, good move, kind of

1000
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: needed it, But the same thing, it's this is actually,

1001
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 1: ironically the year that I'm probably gonna walk away from

1002
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: the scouting process saying this is probably the best tight

1003
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: end group I've ever scouted. You know, I've I've had

1004
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: better tight ends than the best guys in this class.

1005
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: But just the amount of I'm projecting ten starters coming

1006
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,919
Speaker 1: out of this group, it's usually six or seven, sometimes eight.

1007
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: You know, you can even make the argument that there's

1008
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: eleven guys in this class. I want to see the

1009
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: giants nab one of them because at some point day

1010
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: three there's going to be a value and you need

1011
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: to know is there a spot on the roster for

1012
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: these guys. That's the question. Right. You have Lawrence Kager,

1013
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: who I think flashed late last year. There's some receiving

1014
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 1: ability there. Bring in Tommy Sweeney from Buffalo, who has

1015
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 1: the relationship with Dabole and Shane, So I don't think

1016
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: they're going to be quick to kick him to the curb.

1017
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: You got your twelve personal package and Danielle Belling and

1018
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: Bellinger and Waller. Where does the tight end fit. My

1019
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: only spot would really be can he contribute on special

1020
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: teams and also maybe as an h BAC type and

1021
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: there is a guy in this role. Does he fitness offense?

1022
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, but Brandon Willets from Oklahoma is a

1023
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 1: guy that I don't have in my top ten in

1024
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 1: this group, but I feel like he can make a roster.

1025
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: He can contribute on Sunday and do some things just

1026
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 1: in case one of these tight ends goes down with

1027
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,280
Speaker 1: an injury, that he can play all these different spots.

1028
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: But I'm with you. I mean, even a guy like

1029
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: Tucker Craft from South Dakota State, great David Allen from Clemson,

1030
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: who's the best blocking tight end that program has ever

1031
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: had according to their own coaches, who also just broke

1032
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: out this year as a receiver. You know, there's just

1033
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: so many different flavors of tight end in this class

1034
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 1: that maybe you can get creative and find a spot.

1035
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if they want to carry for Slash

1036
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: five tight ends, but you got to take talent when

1037
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: it's there and not assume that everything's going to work

1038
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: out when it comes to injuries and performance.

1039
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 2: I'm with you, Dave, all right, I'm going to just

1040
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 2: leave the floor open to you. Tell me something you

1041
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 2: feel strongly about in this draft, you think is interesting,

1042
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 2: something that you think you're unique about that your opinion

1043
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 2: is a little bit different. I will let you go

1044
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 2: wherever you want, and the floor is yours.

1045
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: So I would say that because of the level of

1046
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: uncertainty in this draft overall, I believe we're going to

1047
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: see a record amount of trades in the first round

1048
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: of the draft this year, including multiple in the top fifteen,

1049
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: maybe even three before the fifteenth coming the draft, because see,

1050
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,280
Speaker 1: like we said, what is going on with these quarterbacks.

1051
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: We're at the point now we don't know if the

1052
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: Houston Texans, who are starving for a quarterback, are going

1053
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: to take anyone other than Bryce Young at number two overall.

1054
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: And for that outlook to be there on a team

1055
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: that needs a quarterback, you got to think there's some

1056
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: other teams out there that might not be too hot

1057
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 1: on these quarterbacks either. But because the demand for quarterbacks

1058
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 1: in this league is just growing, every single year because

1059
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: you have guys retiring, you have former first round picks

1060
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: that are not panning out. There's a lot of demand

1061
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: still for young quarterbacks to cross the league and the

1062
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 1: second guys start dropping. I think you're gonna see some

1063
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: teams get really hungry to come up and trade up

1064
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: for the draft, but also some teams that are starving

1065
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: for offensive line talent that don't really know if they

1066
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: need to tackle our guard more. I think there's gonna

1067
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,439
Speaker 1: be a market for Peter Scarnsky. I think there's gonna

1068
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: be a market for a corner that drops. I think

1069
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a trade market for Jackson Smith Njigba,

1070
00:47:55,960 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 1: who is in my opinion and Garrett Wilson's opinion, Chris opinion.

1071
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: Brian Hartline, the receiver coach from Mohouse State, his opinion,

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00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: a better receiver than Garrett Wilson and Chris lave both.

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Speaker 1: But you need to be in the right system and

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00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: can put him in the right position. So not every

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Speaker 1: team's gonna have that high outlook on him, but there

1076
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: are going to be offenses that need a slot and

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00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: that that guy is Julian Edelman caliber from the slot,

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Speaker 1: and if you can go up and get him. I

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00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: think you're gonna see a trade up for him at

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00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: some point, So Anthony Richardson, you can see him going

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00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: number two. Overall, I can see him going you know,

1082
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: in the twenties, Hendon Hooker. Someone's gonna trade up at

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00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: the end of the first round for him so they

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00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 1: can get that fifth year option, similar to what Baltimore

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00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: did with Lamar Jackson. So I think it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a really fun active night. If I have to be

1087
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: bold with the prediction, that's gonna be it. Right there,

1088
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,720
Speaker 1: We're gonna see a record amount of first round trades.

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Speaker 2: All right, give me the Giants picks. I haven't asked

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Speaker 2: one guest yet this, but this is this is gonna

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Speaker 2: air the week of the drafts. We're close enough. Give

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Speaker 2: me your you know, shot in the dark, you know,

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Speaker 2: realistic but fun scenario that Giant fans will like, who

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00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 2: are they gonna get? Rounds one, two, and three?

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Speaker 1: All right, rounds one, two and three. That's fair, Okay,

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Speaker 1: So I think they're gonna I'm gonna stick with what

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00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: I've been mocking them just because I think the corners

1098
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: are gonna be gone. I do think they're gonna go

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00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: as Zay Flowers at twenty five overall and just pursue

1100
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: that really high powered, fast underneath, quick passing game to

1101
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: offset what they have with Waller and Hodgens and Slayton

1102
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: and Shepherd and Bellinger and Barkley. I just think they're

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00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 1: gonna get two guys out there like the Dolphins I've

1104
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: done with Tyre Keillon Jaylen Waddele and just cause a

1105
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: lot of confusion and commotion with a lot of those

1106
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,879
Speaker 1: cross reuts. I think that's gonna be where Daniel jail

1107
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 1: Jones excels the most. In round two, I think that's

1108
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: where're gonna They're gona address the cornerback position with Darius

1109
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: Rush from South Carolina. I don't think there's gonna be

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00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,879
Speaker 1: a huge discrepancy there in terms of what they need

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00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: and the value and where I think who's gonna be available

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00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: at that spot. And in round three, I think they

1113
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Speaker 1: go back to the defensive side to hook up our

1114
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: boy Wink Martinville, and it could be a safety, it

1115
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 1: could be an edge defender. But because I think they're

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00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: gonna lean more towards the defensive front, I think it's

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Speaker 1: going to be Derek Hall from Auburn. I think if

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Speaker 1: he's there in round three, I think that's gonna be

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Speaker 1: the round three. So we're going to go Za Flowers,

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Speaker 1: Darius Rush, and Derek Hall picks one, two, three.

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Speaker 2: I like it. Tell tell the folks, Dave where they

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Speaker 2: can find all your work.

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Speaker 1: So I work with our Lads dot com. It's the

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Speaker 1: oldest scouting guide in the business, oldest draft guide in

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Speaker 1: the business. We're forty plus years now. I've been there

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Speaker 1: for ten years, and I'm going to be really active

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Speaker 1: on draft weekend on Twitter. My Twitter handle is our

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Speaker 1: Lads Underscore, SI S Why, and I'm going to tweet

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Speaker 1: out analysis of every single pick from the weekend as

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Speaker 1: long as my assumed to be three year old allows,

1131
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Speaker 1: especially especially on Day three. But I think there's a

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Speaker 1: market for that, especially after everyone could talk about the

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Speaker 1: first round picks, the second round picks. But I want

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Speaker 1: you guys to be able to rely on me that

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Speaker 1: no matter what name comes across that ticker rounds three

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Speaker 1: through seven, I'm still going to be tweeting them out

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Speaker 1: what pick the fits and try to give you some

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00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: unique analysis not just about the player, but maybe that

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00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: the team that drafted him and why that works.

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Speaker 2: Dave, awesome stuff, man, this was fun. Let's do it

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Speaker 2: again soon.

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Speaker 1: All right, John, Thanks so much, man, Dave Sivertan.

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