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Speaker 1: Hey, what's up everybody. I'm Jamel Hill and welcome to

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Speaker 1: his politics. And I heard podcasts and unbothered production time

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Speaker 1: to get spolitical. I've been in Los Angeles for seven

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Speaker 2: It's tied boss.

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Speaker 1: Now you get to a certain age and all that

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Speaker 2: You like it used to. Which is why I am

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Speaker 2: not the tiniest big concern that.

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Speaker 1: Lebron James won't finish his career as a Los Angeles

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Speaker 1: Lakers despite all of the reports we've been hearing about

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Speaker 1: how he's sow in his feelings about the Lakers shifting

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Speaker 1: the franchise's focus to Luka Doncic, that is even remotely

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Speaker 1: possible that he won't finish his.

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Speaker 2: Career in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: Now, throughout his career, Lebron has done a masterful job

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Speaker 1: his precious years not competing for a championship. Now, any

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Speaker 1: team that signs Lebron should know that his unofficial model

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Speaker 1: that he's there for a good time and not necessarily

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Speaker 1: a long time. But as soon as the reports started

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Speaker 1: that the NBA's all time leading scorer was possibly planning

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Speaker 1: an exit from the Lakers, you know what I did,

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Speaker 1: ring ring hello?

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Speaker 2: Is this bullshit? Can I speak to the manager police?

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Speaker 2: That's right? I called bullshit.

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Speaker 1: Now in my mind, people read entirely too much. And

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Speaker 1: to his agent Rich Paul's statement last month, which came

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Speaker 1: after Lebron opted into a fifty two point six million

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Speaker 1: dollar contract option, here's what Paul said. Lebron knows the

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Speaker 1: Lakers are building for the future, and he also wants

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Speaker 1: to compete for championships. We understand the difficulty in winning

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Speaker 1: now while preparing for the future.

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Speaker 2: We do not want to.

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Speaker 1: Evaluate what's best for Lebron at this stage in his

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Speaker 1: life and career. Because Rich Paul didn't give the defenditi

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Speaker 1: if he's all the in statement, Suddenly every debate show

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Speaker 3: Lebron could very well leave LA for another team, He

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Speaker 3: might retire, and he might even just buy a team

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Speaker 3: to play with his sons. If Lebron somehow actually left

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Speaker 3: the Lakers. There are just three teams he would realistically

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Speaker 3: go to. I want to break down exactly how each

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Speaker 3: of those would work. But is he actually serious this time?

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Speaker 3: I mean, we have heard Lebron Mike NOI so many times,

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Speaker 3: his fifty two point six million dollar player option, which

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Speaker 3: has literally never happened. Kybron always renegotiates an add on

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Speaker 3: another player option year, has never in his twenty two

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Speaker 3: already knew that something was up. But then his agent

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Speaker 3: Rich Paul said, Lebron knows the Lakers are building for

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Speaker 3: the future, and he also wants to compete for championships.

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Speaker 3: We understand the difficulty of winning now while preparing for

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Speaker 3: the future, so we want to value it. What's best

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Speaker 3: for Lebron at this year, his life and career. Oh

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Speaker 3: the passive aggressive Lebron statement. It's a classic.

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Speaker 4: Where is the fastest, easiest path to the NBA Finals

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Speaker 4: for Lebron James, It's the place he has avoided his

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Speaker 4: entire career. That's right, everybody, It's right here in New York.

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Speaker 4: Oh boy, I want to say, I dare him my

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Speaker 4: double dog dare him, Like, if you really really believe

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Speaker 4: in all the words you're saying right there, the one

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Speaker 4: to do is say it, Sing it if you want,

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Speaker 2: Guys, guys, look, I get it.

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Speaker 1: We're in that summertime law where there's not a whole

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Speaker 1: If he was really about that, I'm about to leave

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Speaker 1: Now we've seen Rich Paul say similar things in the past,

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Speaker 1: but to be honest, Lebron had more leverage stand The

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Speaker 2: Despite being forty years old.

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Speaker 1: Lebron is still that guy, but it would be absolutely

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Speaker 1: not being disrespectful, that is just reality and as valuable

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Speaker 1: now a championship level team, trading for him would be

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Speaker 2: The math don't math.

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Speaker 1: The way that could happen is if Lebron would have

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Speaker 2: The Lakers could buy Lebron out, but for who?

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Speaker 1: Lebron is still a very productive player. You gonna buy

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Speaker 1: Doesn't make sense for them, especially since they still see

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Speaker 1: But let me get back to what I said in

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Speaker 2: As a Laker.

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Speaker 1: His agent, Rich Paul, is doing exactly what any good

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Speaker 1: I'm Jamelle Hill, and I approved this message. Now, I

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Speaker 1: is the brainchild of today's guests. Now, this woman has

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Speaker 2: In the NBA.

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Speaker 1: But among the many things that I admire about her,

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Speaker 1: by asking a question I ask every guest that appears

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Speaker 5: Oh oh man, and I should have been prepared for

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Speaker 1: Well, then the thing is, like you before you kind

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Speaker 5: It really came down the opportunity. And I'm glad you

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I am not happy with where it is right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how concerned are you as somebody who you know

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Speaker 5: My hope is that when you're doing the background on

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Speaker 5: not a player that came through here that you couldn't

440
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,239
Speaker 5: have a conversation with and they probably would tell you

441
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,919
Speaker 5: like swe and I were good because I came in

442
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:59,120
Speaker 5: very authentic of I'm coming in from an athlete position position,

443
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 5: because I've been with you where you're at right now,

444
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 5: and I've also been where you're trying to get to.

445
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 5: That's one and then two. Being very transparent and leading

446
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 5: with truth makes it easier for somebody. Whether you cursed

447
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 5: me out for that day and be mad about everything,

448
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 5: you're gonna come back. You're gonna get this little hug,

449
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 5: this little jab, we're gonna be good, and we're gonna

450
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,400
Speaker 5: keep it moving. It's like, you know, teammates, And so

451
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 5: I approached it from that standpoint, and that was always fine.

452
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 5: I think where I had to learn, what I had

453
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 5: to learn quickly was that when you come into a

454
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,199
Speaker 5: space and sometimes former athletes and you may have a

455
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 5: resume like I did, you tend to think because you're

456
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 5: a teammate, you're just like, Okay, everybody's cool, we're gonna

457
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 5: get together. But what you failed to realize and what

458
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 5: I had to adapt to really quickly, is some people

459
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 5: have this has been their only career, they've only been

460
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 5: in the NBA, and they've been scratching and clawing and

461
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 5: get ahead. And I'm coming in from a vice president's

462
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 5: standpoint being like, okay, well, here's how I kind of

463
00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 5: see it and people look at you and not only

464
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 5: your woman you're a black woman, but also why do

465
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 5: you have that title that I'm trying to get to.

466
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,239
Speaker 5: And so instead of taking the approach of let me

467
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 5: just you know, come in and lay the hammer down,

468
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 5: I started taking people out individually, like letting people get.

469
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 2: To know me.

470
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 5: And it's weird because a lot of times people would

471
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 5: just you think people are going to give you the

472
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 5: benefit of the doubt. But forming relationships was the biggest

473
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 5: thing that I learned in year one that I had

474
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 5: to do and move quickly on.

475
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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people, of course, they see

476
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: more women, especially more former WNBA players, frankly being in

477
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: these front office positions, even getting experience as coaches, they

478
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 1: assume that you're in an environment where potentially men won't

479
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: respect you as much just because of what your background

480
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:51,679
Speaker 1: is or just being a black woman.

481
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,679
Speaker 2: So what would you what would you say or how

482
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 2: would you.

483
00:24:56,040 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 1: Describe your experience in terms of what that dynamic was like?

484
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 1: Here you are a woman who's a former WNBA player,

485
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 1: who's got all the things on her resume. Did you

486
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 1: find yourself was it at all difficult to get the

487
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 1: players respect or is that part of it overblown?

488
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 5: It's very overblown, And I want to say this on

489
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 5: your show because people need to stop using tools to

490
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 5: keep them in positions and not to cross the NBA

491
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 5: or anywhere else. There is not a problem where if

492
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 5: you're telling me that a woman coming into a male

493
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 5: space means that, oh my goodness, he's going to rage out,

494
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 5: something's going to happen. It's the boys club, dude. The

495
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 5: problem with that is is that then you should be

496
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 5: having more resources to help the guide this in that

497
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 5: situation than worried about the female because I believe, and

498
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,360
Speaker 5: I believe this is the day that we even hired

499
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 5: Teresa Witherspon, is that hiring women is good business because

500
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 5: diversity of thought in your room is important. Like, we're

501
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 5: not living in a society where it's just the men

502
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 5: are over here making all the decisions. Now, well, let's

503
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 5: leave government out of it, but we're not in a

504
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 5: society right now where men are just over here making

505
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 5: all the decisions and everything. Like, we have to be

506
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 5: honest about the environments we're creating for these young men

507
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 5: with skill sets. They're just trying to get better. An

508
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 5: athlete does not care if it's coming from a male

509
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 5: or female. Can you help me get better? Can you

510
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 5: help me get to the bat? Can you help me

511
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 5: build my brand? Like these are real questions, And what

512
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 5: I find a lot is that people tend to create

513
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 5: and keep saying these different stereotypes in order to keep

514
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 5: people out.

515
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seemed like that seemed to be a major

516
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: kind of roadblock that people have and saying that, like, oh,

517
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: you know, the reason why we won't see women coaching

518
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: or women in these roles is because a.

519
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 2: Man will never you know, that's an NBA player will

520
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 2: never accept her opinion.

521
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,360
Speaker 1: And it sounds like you have the opposite experience, as

522
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: you said, like most of the guys just want to

523
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: get better. How did you feel about how Zion has

524
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: been covered in the media.

525
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, so it bothered me a lot at different times.

526
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 5: And I think it bothered me more because I saw

527
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 5: the way that it became a tool for click bait

528
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 5: more than it was a critique of the player. Like

529
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 5: I knew some of the people on air that would

530
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 5: be screaming or going in on him, and it'd be

531
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 5: the same people that we would reach out to him

532
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 5: be like, yo, do you want to have a conversation

533
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 5: we're coming in town behind closed doors. But you know

534
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 5: that wasn't really everything wanted to be public instead of

535
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 5: behind closed doors. Now, granted, and Zion knows this and

536
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 5: he's talked about it as well. He had to own

537
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 5: some of the things that also came out or some

538
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 5: of the ways that he has been and so I

539
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 5: think he did that. But for me internally being able

540
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 5: to watch a player's growth, part of my job is

541
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 5: to speak to speak truth to your situation and then

542
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 5: try to provide any resources or opportunities with your team

543
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 5: that's around you in order to help you be better.

544
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 5: And so you know, I didn't like that part, but

545
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 5: I will say this, Jamelle. I think opportunities like that

546
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 5: it either makes a player stronger or it's going to

547
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 5: affect you in a way where you won't be able

548
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 5: to get over it. And I do believe that Zion

549
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 5: has the ability to come out and play, to stay healthy,

550
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 5: stay on the court, and just prove people wrong. And

551
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 5: that's how that type of approach that I would take

552
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 5: as a player is just come out and be consistent

553
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 5: and then all that goes away. But it's unfortunate that

554
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 5: so much would would have to be brought on somebody

555
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 5: at the time that was twenty years old, you know,

556
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 5: and it can be frustrating, But when you're in a

557
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 5: position that I was in, it's really about, Okay, how

558
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 5: do we as a team, how do we, as like

559
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 5: with his agency, with his family, figure out what's the

560
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 5: best step forward instead of looking backwards.

561
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: So from what you can see, how much was he

562
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: sort of impacted psychologically by how the media often portrayed him.

563
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't speak for you know where he was

564
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 5: from a psychological standpoint. I think that's you know, his

565
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 5: story to tell whenever he feels he wants to kind

566
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 5: of talk about it. I would just say for me,

567
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 5: from a psychological standpoint, it was tough because I know

568
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 5: how difficult it already is to be young, black successful

569
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 5: within kind of not only the country but in the

570
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 5: world right and when you open up when it's other

571
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 5: people that look like you that are opening up these

572
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 5: critiques that are not about your game but everything else

573
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 5: around it, when pictures are getting shown and all those things,

574
00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 5: that can be tough. So for me it was hard

575
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 5: because I'm in protection mode, like I care about these guys,

576
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 5: I'm with them day and day in the thick of it.

577
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 5: You know, I had one time somebody call me and

578
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 5: be like, oh, you know what's going on down there?

579
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 5: So and so is looking like this and looking like that.

580
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 5: One thing you will always know about me and no

581
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 5: one will ever be able to say, is you will

582
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 5: not hear somebody say, well, swin set, X, Y and

583
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 5: Z six years, have you heard my name or seen

584
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 5: my name in the media? Has it come up with

585
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 5: any of these breaking news reporters. We don't move like that,

586
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 5: never moved like that. You can't be in a foxhole

587
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 5: with somebody and also at the same time giving out

588
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 5: information and trying to throw people under the bus if

589
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 5: I'm not doing my job. Look, we take jobs in sports,

590
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 5: especially in front office, understanding that we're probably going to

591
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 5: get fired or removed in X amount of years. Right,

592
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 5: you get two runs at it. Cool, but you have

593
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 5: to understand how the cycle works. And whenever I was

594
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 5: told about of leaving the job here in New Orleans,

595
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 5: I never forget this, Jamail. I had somebody in another

596
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 5: front office call me said, if you ever need anything,

597
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 5: all I want to do is call and tell you

598
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 5: I respect the hell out of you because you never

599
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 5: heard a lot of people knew different things that were happening.

600
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 5: We never heard your name, not even on a trail

601
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 5: scouting wherever the Swin set X Y and Z and

602
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 5: I said, and you never will because that's just how

603
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 5: that's how we move. And unfortunately, women we know how

604
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 5: to move really well like that, don't we, Jamail, We do.

605
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: We often are not given enough credit for how we

606
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: were able to do that. But as I have often

607
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: said before, with certain people, I was like they needed

608
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: to take my silence as a gift, So.

609
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 2: Please do that absolutely well.

610
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: Listen, there's a lot more I want to ask you

611
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: about a swin, especially about She's Got Time, the platform

612
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: that you founded that is doing some remarkable things and

613
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: the major event that you have coming up in Vegas.

614
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: Want to definitely dive into that and a couple other

615
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: WNBA issues, But we're going to take a very quick

616
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: break and we'll be right back with more with Swain

617
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: Cash Twin. You had mentioned earlier in this podcast, you

618
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: talked about just sort of the dynamics that you face

619
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: in a professional setting and these executive settings as a woman,

620
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: and you have created this wonderful platform, She's Got Time,

621
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: which is kind of a blend of just storytelling but

622
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: also a summit that you're having in Vegas, like really

623
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: being able to put women in contact with one another

624
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: across the sports industry and.

625
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 2: Also to empower them. So give me the reason.

626
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: Why you felt like it was important for you to

627
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: develop this kind of platform that helped women who are

628
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,719
Speaker 1: pursuing and within careers.

629
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 5: Since ya, thank you for that question, because I love

630
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 5: She's got time. It's been near and dear to my heart.

631
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 5: So in twenty twenty two, when I was going to

632
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 5: Nations Basketball Hall of Fame, I took a couple of

633
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 5: months to really kind of writen out the speech and

634
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 5: thank you for your participation help with that as well

635
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 5: just making that a special day for myself. But I

636
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 5: was thinking about how I could be more intentional. I

637
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 5: felt like one door was closing, and a lot of

638
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 5: times that I'm not sure you get this. You get

639
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 5: hundreds of women being like, hey can you be a

640
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 5: mentor young people, Hey I need this, I need that.

641
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 5: And I realized, like having children also having a career,

642
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 5: like your time is very limited, and so I felt

643
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 5: like I wanted to create this ecosystem that could really

644
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 5: bring women together in an authentic way, an intentional way

645
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 5: to have access, Like we want to help women scale

646
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 5: their careers in sports, and the only way to do

647
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 5: that is to put you on run with people in

648
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 5: close proximity that maybe deals can be done, opportunities can

649
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 5: be met. And I didn't see that happening with a

650
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 5: lot of women that looked like me. And so when

651
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 5: we went back to the drawing board, I went to

652
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 5: my husband and I said, look, I have this idea

653
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 5: and this concept God is really put on my heart

654
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 5: and I want to be intentional about how we are

655
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 5: including women, how we're servicing women, how we're building community.

656
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 5: Can you help me? He looked at me and he said,

657
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 5: you must be serious because you don't ask me for anything,

658
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 5: and so I said, I'm absolutely serious. So we went

659
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 5: about the hiring process and we hired people and I

660
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 5: knew I was an executive at the time, and we

661
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 5: put people in position to build this company. So we

662
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 5: are a media and lifestyle company. Yes, we focus on storytelling.

663
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 5: We have our media arm and we're continuing to grow that.

664
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 5: We have our irls like are something that's going to

665
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 5: be in Vegas. So be our first year in Vegas.

666
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 5: We were intentional the last two years we had it

667
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 5: in New Orleans, but we wanted to bring it over

668
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 5: NBA Summer League to Vegas. Knowing that we had all

669
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 5: thirty teams in Vegas, shout out to NFL in WSL,

670
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 5: all the other people that actually raised their hand and

671
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 5: said hey, we're going to show up as well. And

672
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,720
Speaker 5: then also the third piece of that is just really

673
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 5: our community in our app. You have an app, you

674
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,240
Speaker 5: can know that she's got time and downloaded and joined

675
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 5: that community. And so this isn't about it's less about

676
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 5: me and more about us. And I've had great mentors.

677
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 5: You've had some great mentors to Jamail, but there are

678
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 5: a lot of women out there navigating. Whether you're a

679
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 5: OG like Amy Trash at the c suite level, or

680
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 5: you're an ustry level, you're an influencer, you're behind the camera,

681
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 5: you're coming in to media, and you want to have

682
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 5: that tribe or that sisterhood. We're trying to create that

683
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 5: for you.

684
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Speaker 1: It's interesting to me that during the time as you're

685
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: doing she's got time, you know, noting that like the

686
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,479
Speaker 1: number of NBA teams and the number of what would

687
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 1: be traditionally, you know, male environments. The NBA, the NFL,

688
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: these other sports are hiring more women and especially former

689
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: athletes to come in to their system, and you know, obviously,

690
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: you know, sort of grace it with their own you know,

691
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: intelligence and background and everything experience that they have. So

692
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: why do you think, in particular in the NBA, that

693
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 1: hiring former WNBA players for positions like the one you had,

694
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: and again you weren't the only one. Why do you

695
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: think that's become more attractive to some teams?

696
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 5: First, I think society kind of had a wake up

697
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 5: call for us. I think through kind of what happened

698
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 5: with George Floyd. I think people said, wait a minute,

699
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 5: we've been doing the same things. How can we be different?

700
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 5: So that was an opportunity. I don't look at that

701
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 5: as a bad thing. I look at it, Okay, every

702
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 5: time you're doing a kind of gut check and evaluation

703
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 5: of yourself, how can we be better? So when the

704
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 5: opportunity presented itself for women like me, it's good business.

705
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 5: Like I am so sick of hearing people talk about, oh,

706
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 5: we want to support women, we want to get this

707
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 5: woman in here. It ain't charity, do you know how

708
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 5: many sharp women there are that can run many people

709
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 5: that I know in this industry. Like that's the part

710
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 5: that really is just mind boggling to me, is that

711
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 5: you should want to have good business, and good business

712
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 5: means diversity of thought in your room. If I'm an owner,

713
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 5: if I'm a team president. I said this to David Griffin,

714
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 5: who was my boss for six years. I say, you

715
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,959
Speaker 5: get paid to make the decision. I get paid to evaluate,

716
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 5: to see how we can scale, how we can be better,

717
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 5: but more resources, I'm going to give you everything that

718
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 5: I think you should know. Once you make the decision,

719
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 5: we move. And that's just how I operate, because one

720
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 5: day when I sit in that chair, I'm hoping the

721
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 5: people around me and the executive team or the leadership

722
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 5: that I build, they're diverse to not to give me

723
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 5: that feedback. And you can't tell me that if there's

724
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 5: all men that is in the room and there's not

725
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 5: a woman that she, you couldn't have gotten a different

726
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 5: thought or maybe a better way to think about something.

727
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 5: So as an entrepreneur, I look at it and say

728
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 5: the same thing I do as an entrepreneurs, the same

729
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 5: thing I want to do in an NBA office, a

730
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 5: WNBA office. I want the diversity of thought because it's

731
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 5: a good business.

732
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 2: You know.

733
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: Speaking of good business, I mean clearly it's become really

734
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: good business in the WNBA and that could not be.

735
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 2: Illustrated better by expansion.

736
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: And naturally, you know, I have to ask you about

737
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: how you feel about the fact that Detroit is getting

738
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: it's w NBA team back. It's a team that you know,

739
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: you won championships with the Detroit Shock which now which

740
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: became the Dallas Wings.

741
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: But that's the story for another day.

742
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: But nevertheless, you know, you know us Detroit as we

743
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: love you because of what you built in Detroit and

744
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: now seeing the team get or seeing the city get

745
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: the team back, how did that make you feel seeing

746
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: that Detroit will will have a team again.

747
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 2: I believe it.

748
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, it just it warmed my heart. It really did,

749
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 5: because I'm gonna tell you, Jamil, I would come through Detroit,

750
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 5: whether I was traveling through from the airport, traveling with

751
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 5: the team going back to play the Pistons. There's not

752
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 5: one person that wouldn't pull up on me like, what's

753
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 5: up when we get our team back? What you're doing,

754
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 5: how you involved? And I'm like I'm working in there,

755
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 5: like no, no, no, no, how we get our team back,

756
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 5: and so it was really just for me, you know,

757
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 5: heartwarming shout out to arn Tellem, Tom Gores everyone. If

758
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 5: you haven't looked when I said earlier in the podcast,

759
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 5: look at people's cap table. That'll tell you the direction

760
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 5: you're trying to go in. And I think what they

761
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 5: formed there in Detroit is people who actually care not

762
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 5: only about the business of the w but like how

763
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 5: this is going to blossop into even more. And so yes,

764
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 5: I am excited for the whole city. Everybody in my

765
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 5: DMS yelling what up though, I get it, I get it.

766
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 5: I'm happy for the city.

767
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 2: Don't be popping again.

768
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 5: And so yeah, just it really is a true feat

769
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 5: for the city of Detroit. They have the team bat.

770
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: Now, a lot of people don't know that Detroit won

771
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,959
Speaker 1: three titles in I believe six years. Still believe that

772
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: the Shock are the only professional sports team to go

773
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,919
Speaker 1: from last place to winning a title the very next year,

774
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: something you never see obviously in major professional sports. How

775
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 1: do you feel as if the Shock were remembered Like

776
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: I said this, and you can tell me if I'm wrong.

777
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: I think the Shock have the most disrespected WNBA legacy

778
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 1: of all the dynasties that have happened in the WNBA.

779
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: Like you, when they're talking about the WNA dynasties, of

780
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: course they bring up the sparks, they bring up the links,

781
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: they bring up the comets.

782
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 2: You do not hear the shot.

783
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: So I mean, am I just say my feelings because

784
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 1: I'm a Detroiter. How do you think the shots legacy

785
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 1: has been remembered in sort of the WNBA.

786
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 5: No, you are not in your feelings. You are absolutely right.

787
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 5: And I would say this before the team even came back.

788
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 5: It was very short sighted from a standpoint that because

789
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 5: the team moved, it was easier to just kind of

790
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 5: not talk about them, but to be honest with you,

791
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 5: when we were winning, it was kind of the dismissive,

792
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 5: Oh when they played too rough, they do this. It

793
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 5: was always something. But those banners still went up. And

794
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 5: that's what I really don't even understand, is like, if

795
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 5: that's going to be the case, then shout out to Detroit.

796
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 5: It's about time to tell your own story because obviously

797
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,720
Speaker 5: we have some young people that may not use Google

798
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 5: as much. The need to start doing that because there's

799
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 5: teams from the Huston Commets all the way up that

800
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 5: have won. There's been dynasties and you have to put

801
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 5: Detroit in that. But I think when you don't see

802
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 5: it as much, it's easy to fade to the background.

803
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 5: So that's why I say, like, maybe it's time to

804
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 5: start telling those stories, because that I'm telling you to

805
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 5: play in funding almost twenty two thousand in the Palace

806
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 5: to come back from La, I have to getting our

807
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 5: spaces smacked. And I tell Lisa I messed with least

808
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 5: all the time. They came back up in there smooth

809
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 5: like we're about to get number three? Have our dynasty?

810
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 5: What's up? And I listened, I'm not even gonna get

811
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 5: into it, but your girl, we didn't sleep. I was

812
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 5: in an Exera road from LA to Detroit. Didn't sleep,

813
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 5: was pacing, paysing. We had to win two games in

814
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 5: Detroit and we pulled up and we were able to win.

815
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 5: So like, it's the storytelling around it. And I really hope,

816
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 5: you know, as she's got time continues to build that

817
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 5: we're in position to continue to tell those stories as well.

818
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had Kandas S Parker as a guest on

819
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: politics a few weeks ago, and naturally I asked her

820
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: about the fight between Sparks where Candas was a rookie

821
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: and Candess almost got locked up.

822
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 2: Good old Peningte Pierson and Resting.

823
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 5: It was. So it's so much that's there, from the

824
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 5: identity to how it was built to like it. I

825
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 5: will say this the team coming back to Detroit. There's

826
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 5: some people that still in the radio station shout out

827
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 5: the Bushman and everybody else. When I tell you the culture,

828
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 5: the culture of Detroit. When a shock where there and

829
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 5: I got drafted there and we were like, we're turning

830
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 5: this thing around. Everybody pulled up. I mean everybody from

831
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 5: court side to our games. We would go out in

832
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 5: the community. It was it was Pistons, shop, Lions, everybody,

833
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 5: whether we in the same club, whether in sat restaurants like.

834
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 5: It was that type of family dynamic that really brought

835
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 5: the sports town where it was at that point in time.

836
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 5: And so I really hope that those days can kind

837
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 5: of come on back. And it was popping even some

838
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 5: this year. You know that being at the Pistons game

839
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 5: in downtown now, so that's a little different than that dynamic.

840
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's what's actually gonna be even more encouraging.

841
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: It's like they'll get to play downtown. And Detroit has

842
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 1: always been a great sports city, despite what Sophie Cunningham

843
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: may think. You know, the shock even yeah the Shaka

844
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: you I mean they were in the top five, and

845
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: attendance set a record for like most attended finals game,

846
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: I mean, like a lot of attendance record because of

847
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: how the city is supported. All right, so when to

848
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: wrap this up? Wrap up every podcast with what I

849
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: call a messy question. This is the question where we

850
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: make the blogs. This is where we get all the

851
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 1: tweet big headlines. This is where it happens. All right,

852
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: what will we see first? This is the messy question.

853
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,280
Speaker 1: What will we see first a woman being the head coach,

854
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: being a head coach of an NBA team, or a

855
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: w NBA player making a million dollars this season.

856
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 5: It's a messy question, but I'm that's I think we

857
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 5: will Yeah, we will see. Unfortunately, there's still a lot

858
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 5: of work to do from the coaching standpoint in the

859
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 5: n B A shout out to Jenny Bousig that that

860
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 5: has been kind of making her way in the ranks.

861
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 5: We'll see a WNB A player make a million dollars.

862
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. Actually, you know, I'm really surprised you said that.

863
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: I thought you'd say the other direction, and only because

864
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 1: like you look at like you know, obviously Becky Hammond

865
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: was was in the league.

866
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 2: You look at the Indiana Pacers.

867
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: I mean their defense was designed basically by a woman coach.

868
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: And it feels like, especially I guess if you're hearing

869
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: the what is in the conversation around the CBA that

870
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Speaker 1: is about to be negotiated between the players, the WNBA

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Speaker 1: players in the league, I know it won't I'm not

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Speaker 1: another four or five six years.

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Speaker 2: For things to happen.

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Speaker 1: I was like, I could see, especially if you got

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Speaker 1: I could see that happening before you actually had a

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Speaker 5: In So let me say this to you when you

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Speaker 5: go through the hiring process and being interestingly involved in

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Speaker 5: a lot of people that continue those conversations going that

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Speaker 5: you'll hear women's name in conversation for jobs, but are

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Speaker 5: they their name just in it or have they really

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Speaker 5: been considered? That is what we have to get to,

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Speaker 5: is like the consideration of let me not do this

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Speaker 5: is actually what I think we really need for our organization.

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Speaker 5: I think that you are the one, and I think

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Speaker 5: it's going to take one owner to be able to

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Speaker 5: a lot of work still to be done.

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Speaker 1: Well, we'll see which one happens first. Naturally, I hope

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Speaker 1: the ladies get of course for sure. But anyway, Swinn,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining me. Really appreciate it

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Speaker 1: and really honored that you have me as part of

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Speaker 1: She's got time, being able to spend some time in Vegas,

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Speaker 1: and of course fellowship with all the other women that

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Speaker 1: you've been able to bring together. So really grateful for

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Speaker 1: your platform because it's something that we can.

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Speaker 2: All look to if we want to find each other.

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Speaker 1: We know where we are, so it's like that fellowship

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Speaker 1: is really meaningful and important.

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Speaker 5: So thank you so much for that. We are looking

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Speaker 5: forward to having you in Vegas, and we are also

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Speaker 5: are looking forward to launching our first race for our

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Speaker 5: company and actually going global. So we have some announcements

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Speaker 5: coming at the summit, so stay tuned.

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Speaker 1: Ooh okay, okay, I can't wait to hear it, all right,

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Speaker 1: thanks whin. One more segment to go coming up next,

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Speaker 1: the Final Spin. Now, usually this point of the podcast

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Speaker 1: is reserved for the Final Spin, but I thought it

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Speaker 1: would be more appropriate to use this time to express

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Speaker 1: some very sincere gratitude. Now, I learned this week that

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Speaker 1: the Netflix documentary Simone Boles Rising has been nominated for

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Speaker 1: an Emmy. Now, this is a doct that I was

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Speaker 1: blessed to serve on as a producer and writer.

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Speaker 2: I was so honored at Religion of Sports, a global.

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Speaker 1: Media company that has produced incredible documentaries Tom Brady, Serena Williams,

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Speaker 1: and even John bond Jovi.

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Speaker 2: They invited me to be part of this project.

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Speaker 1: Now, when you produce anything, you just try to do

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Speaker 1: the best work possible, not necessarily with awards in mind.

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Speaker 2: But with quality in mind.

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Speaker 1: So I can't tell you all what it means to

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Speaker 1: me to have this Simone Biles docuseries nominated for such

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Speaker 1: a prestigious award and to be a part of telling

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Speaker 1: the story of one of the greatest athletes in history.

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Speaker 1: So thank you Simone Boles, and thank you Religion US Sports.

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Speaker 1: Already got one Emmy, and if I get another one,

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Speaker 1: y'all won't be able to make eye.

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Speaker 2: Contact with me for another year. I promise you.

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