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Speaker 1: What's up its way up at Angela.

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Speaker 2: Gee, and this is really exciting for me because you know,

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Speaker 2: this is my genre, my type of music. Today we're

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Speaker 2: going to be talking about Luther Never too much. This

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Speaker 2: documentary that was Don Porter, you directed this, right, and

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Speaker 2: Fanzie Thornton. You were a close friend of Luther vangos

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Speaker 2: Is from the age of fourteen and also did music

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Speaker 2: with him. And then Leah and Smith over at CNN

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Speaker 2: a producer.

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Speaker 1: Or No, I'm actually not a CNN anymore.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I was with CNN for many years, but no,

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Speaker 3: I've been working with Don on a couple of projects.

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Speaker 1: So I was I was a producer on this project.

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Speaker 2: Okay, because you've done a lot of other documentaries over there,

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Speaker 2: and this is a CNN documentary, Yes it is.

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Speaker 1: But we actually created this before okay bought it. Yeah, Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's great. I love that.

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Speaker 2: I was trying to I know it's in theaters, right,

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Speaker 2: and then I was like, how do we watch this

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Speaker 2: on streaming?

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Speaker 1: So it was like, you got to get the Hulu

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Speaker 4: Then I went it's in a lot of places. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's just.

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Speaker 1: On own okay and Max streaming.

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Speaker 5: It's in theaters until the ninth of February and select

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, perfect, it feels like a concert. So

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Speaker 2: I fortunately was able to watch it. And when I

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Speaker 2: tell you, my friends and I we were all in

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Speaker 2: here singing along because Luthor is like, first of all,

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Speaker 2: we don't have to say Luther Vanjos, It's just Luthor.

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Speaker 4: It's one of those one word people.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's a Kendrick and siss a song right now.

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Speaker 3: Have fitting that it is great super Bowl Sunday, like

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Speaker 3: we're waiting, you know, it.

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Speaker 1: Has to.

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Speaker 2: What did you think when you heard that song? Because

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Speaker 2: that's my favorite song on the album, the Luther song, just.

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Speaker 6: You know, just loving hearing his voice in Cheryl Lynn's

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Speaker 6: voice in there, and the fact that they're being brought

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Speaker 7: A lot of people don't know this music.

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Speaker 6: So to really just hear Luther's voice and Cheryl's voice

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Speaker 5: You know, Hendrick is the songwriter and poet really of

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Speaker 5: our time. To have him honor Luther's songwriting this way,

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Speaker 5: you know, he is reflecting what we learned in making

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Speaker 4: Which is Luthor was the goat.

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Speaker 2: Fanzie talked to us about young Luther and a young Phonzie.

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Speaker 1: And your dreams and aspirations at that age.

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Speaker 6: Well, that's what's the wonderful part about this story. I

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Speaker 6: And she's always tell me and she and I used

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Speaker 6: She says, just something, there's some way you would click.

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Speaker 6: So she gave him my phone number. He called me.

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Speaker 6: His sister lived across the street from me in the projects,

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Speaker 4: Was like, he's a singer, so he was sixteen singer songwriter.

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Speaker 6: He was the first vocal arranger and songwriter that I'd

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Speaker 2: you guys putting this together and seeing all this old footage,

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Speaker 2: the interviews and the performances. To see Mariah Harry on stage.

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Speaker 4: To put his early music. And she was one hundred

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Speaker 5: She would be like, you know, I'd come in and

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Speaker 3: It was important because I felt like that is for

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Speaker 3: I mean, even now you go out and those those

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Speaker 2: And it's called never too much? Why did you pick

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Speaker 2: It was solid, solid musics. Wrong now, Phonzie, how did

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Speaker 2: He knew early on, I'm not just singing these lyrics

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Speaker 6: To do my and our tag team was was always this.

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Speaker 5: You know, I think a lot of people don't realize

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Speaker 4: About I feel like I know Luther. He's passed before.

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Speaker 5: You know, but we watched so many interviews and watched

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Speaker 4: He's you know, roxy music.

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Speaker 5: Like there's a lot of performers, Yeah, we don't know,

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Speaker 5: And that is part of Luther's story, you know, is

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Speaker 4: Is the real creativity. These people were not just mixing.

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Speaker 5: And that I think that resonates and comes through when

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Speaker 4: I think you're hearing that artistry.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely actually, and you just said something that is so

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Speaker 7: He was the guy type of person.

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Speaker 4: Did you, boss, Luther? Did you tell me.

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Speaker 8: Pretty much?

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Speaker 6: Could you just bend a little bit more? He was

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Speaker 1: I think what we also got from this was that

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Speaker 4: Oh crazy, very generous.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, just people asking these really probing, you know, questions

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Speaker 3: These were like top noch journalists right right, like really

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Speaker 6: You know what you used if Richard Marx was was

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Speaker 7: How disrespectful is that? First of all, you know what,

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Speaker 4: I mean, we all read Jet Magazine. It was like

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Speaker 1: We heard the community, the comedians.

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Speaker 2: They were certain points, like even when him and Oprah

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Speaker 5: On the Oprah Show like more than ten times. They

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Speaker 4: She really did.

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Speaker 5: And you know, look, how old is Oprah now she's

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Speaker 6: And we did some appearances with Bowie on on our

445
00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,520
Speaker 6: Sinio Hall and on g Leto, And it's just amazing

446
00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,520
Speaker 6: to be around him and say, this guy is like

447
00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,600
Speaker 6: his thing is just completely different. It wasn't even it

448
00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,120
Speaker 6: wasn't a black thing it was, but he just had

449
00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:18,200
Speaker 6: something that was so different and just so And for

450
00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,720
Speaker 6: him to realize the importance of having Luther come in

451
00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:23,359
Speaker 6: and sing on that record and shaz it.

452
00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:27,359
Speaker 4: And he did not invite Luther was twenty four and

453
00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:31,119
Speaker 4: he just was with his friends Robin and Carlos. You know,

454
00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,000
Speaker 4: we hear so often and it's too often the case.

455
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:38,240
Speaker 5: Of white artists appropriating black music, not giving credit, not

456
00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,720
Speaker 5: pushing people forward, and Bowie did the opposite.

457
00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,520
Speaker 4: Yes, you know, he pushed Luthor forward. First he invites

458
00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:44,800
Speaker 4: them to sing in the session.

459
00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:50,680
Speaker 5: Then he ends up arranging Raither arranges Bowie's first American album,

460
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,680
Speaker 5: as Phonsie says in the movie, totally different sound. Then

461
00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,840
Speaker 5: he takes him on tour and has him open. Luke,

462
00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:00,439
Speaker 5: can you imagine Luther van drass is opening for David Bowie?

463
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,040
Speaker 5: I mean, and you know, it's such a magnificent thing.

464
00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,720
Speaker 5: But you know, I've seen other clips of Bowie and

465
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:10,720
Speaker 5: we really do need to give him his due. He pushed, MTV,

466
00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:12,240
Speaker 5: why do you have black artists?

467
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 1: Yeah? I remember that they were not and they were like, oh,

468
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:15,879
Speaker 1: our audience doesn't.

469
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,119
Speaker 5: He was consistent, and he was was you know, he

470
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,960
Speaker 5: was living it, not just saying it, and that's rare,

471
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,760
Speaker 5: and uh, you know, Luther may not have had.

472
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,480
Speaker 4: The career he had without that first, you know.

473
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 6: And it was it was such a back door experience

474
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,880
Speaker 6: in terms of how likely would it be for Luther

475
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 6: Van Rossley and Buddy R and d s Finger singer,

476
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,199
Speaker 6: you know, winding up with David Bowie and David doing

477
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,040
Speaker 6: all this, And like you said, MTV opened its doors.

478
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 6: Next thing, we saw Whitney singing how Will I Know?

479
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 6: And you Give Good Love? And seeing Michael Jackson and

480
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 6: all of this stuff that everybody, the entire culture has

481
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 6: grown because of what was shown on MTV from Black Artists,

482
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,960
Speaker 6: You right, David Bowie and Wow.

483
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 4: Like what is MTV.

484
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 1: Music Videos?

485
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,320
Speaker 3: I think it's really important for us to put that

486
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 3: whole Philadelphia moment because the fact is David Bowie went

487
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,440
Speaker 3: to Philadelphia trying to form that gamble and huff sound,

488
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,119
Speaker 3: you know, and and that's why he was there, and

489
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 3: that's not a story like depending on who tells the story,

490
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 3: everybody doesn't know that, you know.

491
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 4: So it was important for us the musical.

492
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 3: Background, and we have that great moment, which is one

493
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 3: of our favorite scenes with all the artists that came

494
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Speaker 3: out of there.

495
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 5: There's a whole David Bowie documentary that does not mention

496
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,880
Speaker 5: Luther Vandros really like, how is that possible?

497
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:39,679
Speaker 1: Right, Leah? Did you learn anything new? Leah? As a super.

498
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 3: I didn't know a lot about the Bowie stuff, honestly,

499
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 3: and that was new also time wise, I don't think

500
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 3: I realized, you know, how much he had been working

501
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 3: before he actually blew up.

502
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 5: You know.

503
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:58,920
Speaker 3: It's like nowadays everything's like instant graduate gratification with social media.

504
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,200
Speaker 3: If you're not living in a penthouse at twenty five,

505
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 3: like you know, not really, but but you know, he

506
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 3: was like thirty when Never too Much took off.

507
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:07,439
Speaker 4: I mean that's something that.

508
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 1: Got him signed.

509
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sesame Street, the commercial jingles, singing for other bands

510
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 2: and singing background or.

511
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,159
Speaker 1: Really major artists.

512
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 3: But it really took him, you know, taking a chance

513
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 3: on himself and not really giving up on his dreams.

514
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 3: He had such tenacity, you know, he didn't he wasn't

515
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 3: going to be deterred. And I think that to me

516
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 3: was like inspirational. So it's like, not necessarily I didn't

517
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 3: know that, but it's just like seeing that, I'm.

518
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 2: Like, wow, And to know all those labels passed, Yeah,

519
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 2: that's right, that's right, that's right, you know, and Never

520
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 2: too Much.

521
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 6: And in fact, Epic and Columbia, who he went around

522
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,160
Speaker 6: to twice, both passed on him. It wasn't until Lark

523
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 6: and Arnold became CEO at Epic that Luther went back

524
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:54,400
Speaker 6: and presented Sugar and Spice and houses not at Home

525
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 6: and Never too Much, and Larkin said, okay, let's And

526
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 6: it's interesting because Luther thought that Sugar and Spice was

527
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 6: the first single. He said, oh, look and this is

528
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 6: the first single. He said, no, no, no, that Never

529
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 6: too Much, that's the one, so.

530
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 1: And he was right, and it's the name of the movie,

531
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 1: Who Couldn't Pass On Here and Home? It's wild, right.

532
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 2: But one of the things you guys talked about also

533
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 2: is that he didn't have the look well that people

534
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 2: felt like at the time. He does and that's he's

535
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 2: black and he's big. It's a certain type of look exactly.

536
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 2: And you know what, we came up during a time

537
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 2: when you know, watching the Supremes and watching the Temptations,

538
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 2: and watching the Four Times and seeing Aretha and Dion

539
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 2: all of them, when when we deal with the crossover issue,

540
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 2: all of those people crossed over, all of the Motown

541
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 2: artists had number one records and crossed over. So us

542
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 2: as singers trying to get in the business, thought that

543
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 2: the kick you make a record and at some point

544
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 2: you have a number one record and you'll be at

545
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 2: the top of the charts.

546
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Speaker 6: But I've said before if you if you look at it,

547
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 6: Garth Brooks can have the number one country album but

548
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 6: also the number one pop album. How Come Luther Vandross

549
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 6: can have the number one R and B album and

550
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 6: the number one pop album. So what you said is

551
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 6: it had a lot to do with the image or

552
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 6: just really the the racial thing. You all are keeping

553
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 6: him from what this man is supposed to be getting.

554
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 6: He's created an entire body of music, so you all

555
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 6: are keeping him from this, and that was That's one

556
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 6: of the things that the film highlights so well.

557
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 2: And seeing some of these artists, like look at Nile

558
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,919
Speaker 2: still is doing music for like a Beyonce, Forrell.

559
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 1: Who do you like now that you're like, Okay, maybe

560
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 1: I should add my touch to.

561
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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like Beyonce.

562
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Speaker 6: I think I think she's really good. She's like one

563
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 6: of our trail blazers at this time. You know, you'll

564
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 6: been trying to, you know, go back and forth about

565
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 6: her country album Give the Girl you know her do

566
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 6: they were country artists.

567
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Speaker 4: I love her country album too.

568
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: It's ain't Texas.

569
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Speaker 2: Everybody's having cowboy cardithen parties. I just was at one

570
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Speaker 2: in Memphis.

571
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Speaker 6: You know, country music is so based on gospel and

572
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 6: the blues and all of our and all of our influences.

573
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 6: So why wouldn't Beyonce, who's one of the top stars,

574
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Speaker 6: do an album of different music, you know, and show

575
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 6: everybody this is a different approach, you know, I think.

576
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 4: It does say so much though, that Beyonce.

577
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 5: Woman in music has to, you know, explain what she

578
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 5: wants to stretch and grow creatively.

579
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 4: She's one of the most creative human beings.

580
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 2: But even really why when she went to the Country

581
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 2: Music Awards and they were disrespectful to her, it was like, okay,

582
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 2: a few years later, let me come back and drat

583
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 2: this album on, you know, and.

584
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 4: Doesn't give up. And you know what, she's not messy

585
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 4: in public she answers.

586
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: With but I know behind the scenes she'd be like Blue.

587
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 6: But she but she also seems to feel that. She

588
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,719
Speaker 6: seems like she's not afraid to try the next thing

589
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 6: for her And that's what I That's what I really like.

590
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 6: I think we need more of that.

591
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 1: We might need a fancy documentary too, I want.

592
00:26:54,960 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 8: To, but we deeply want a funny story.

593
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: I call him a vampire because it's like never ag

594
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 1: that's the same.

595
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 2: Also evokes this like wow, you know, well, I'm must

596
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 2: tell you my name is Alfonso.

597
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 6: And the thing is, when I was an infant, my

598
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 6: mother started calling me Phonsie, and so, of course, years

599
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 6: later Henry Winkler came to teach the fun somebody called

600
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 6: me up to say, somebody's got your name, man, I said,

601
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 6: you mean somebody him?

602
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 7: So again.

603
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 1: But we set the trends, baby.

604
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 6: You know when we when we were making this film,

605
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 6: I have not talked at all about my career, talked

606
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 6: about anything. This has been the whole focus of this

607
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 6: documentary is celebrating Luther's legacy and just illuminating black genius

608
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 6: and also illuminating black history and the history of R

609
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 6: and B and the thing is, and that's been the

610
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 6: focus from the beginning. Like I said, the day that

611
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 6: these ladies walked into the room, it was clear, Okay,

612
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 6: I understand who they are, just as intelligent people. Because

613
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 6: he was a very intelligent person. And we wanted to

614
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 6: do a documentary of a certain caliber, with a certain standard,

615
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 6: and that's what I think we accomplished.

616
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 1: You know.

617
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 2: Now, I do want to ask about this because there

618
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 2: was some controversy over the Patti LaBelle part and they

619
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: said that she was not pleased with that, like that

620
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 2: she outed him.

621
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Speaker 1: What did you guys think about that?

622
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 5: In including that, you know, it's I think it's always

623
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 5: like people looking for, you know, controversy. So I always

624
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 5: felt like when I watched that clip about Patty. I

625
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 5: always felt like she had no ill intent. She did

626
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 5: love Luther, there was, you know, and so we asked her,

627
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 5: We wanted her to explain what happened, and we couldn't

628
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 5: quite get that across the finish line. And so I'm

629
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 5: sorry that she didn't get a chance to explain because

630
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 5: I know what deep love she had for him.

631
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 4: So, you know, in the end, I think people say

632
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 4: what they say.

633
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 5: I think most people can understand that, you know, when

634
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 5: you watch the clip and how it came out, that

635
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 5: there was no ill intent.

636
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 2: I mean, the whole movie's a celebration, so I can't

637
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 2: see why anything would be in there that wasn't intended

638
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: to be of it.

639
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 5: It's unfortunately part of his story that there was this

640
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 5: never ending question about his sexuality, and so that, you know,

641
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 5: what she said at that time is part of that story.

642
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 5: But you know, I think I think the overall the

643
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 5: whole idea is does he actually get the right to

644
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 5: say what he wants about himself in person himself? And so,

645
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 5: you know, we definitely cut that scene so many times

646
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 5: and asked Phonsie for advice and the you know family

647
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 5: for advice, and ultimately it was something Phonsie said that

648
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 5: really became the guiding north star, which is I'm gonna

649
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 5: let him have the last an sir. And we had

650
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 5: many examples of him talking about how he wanted to

651
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 5: keep himself private and ultimately, especially when somebody has passed.

652
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 5: You know, I wish to goodness gracious for so many

653
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 5: reasons that he was here, but one is like, wouldn't

654
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,239
Speaker 5: it be wonderful to see Luther, to have Luther here

655
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 5: seeing so many people, you know, living in the world

656
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 5: that we.

657
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 4: Live in now, which is to some degree so much

658
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 4: more open.

659
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 5: Right.

660
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Speaker 6: You know, I don't really want to talk about that specifically,

661
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 6: but what I want to say about it in a

662
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 6: long and a bigger way is that, you know, we

663
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 6: were raised in a different era, you know, where privacy

664
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Speaker 6: and trust and respect where the bottom lines. You know,

665
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Speaker 6: my mother always said, what goes on in this house

666
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 6: stays in this house. And the thing is everything is

667
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 6: not no matter what you think you know, no matter

668
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 6: what you've heard, everything is not everybody's business. So why

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Speaker 6: am I, as a fully grown man who's been in

670
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 6: the industry and contributed all of this stuff, Why am.

671
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 7: I explaining my personal life?

672
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Speaker 1: Right?

673
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 7: It's really none of your business.

674
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 4: Diane Warwick said to me.

675
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Speaker 5: I asked her, you know, if she wanted to talk

676
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 5: about this, and she looked at me and she says,

677
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Speaker 5: do you know what noneya means?

678
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: Business?

679
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 8: Next question?

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00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 2: You know? And I do want to say, though, because

681
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 2: part of the theme of this movie is him looking

682
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 2: for and never being completely happy, you know, And and

683
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 2: I'm sure there were a lot of different reasons for that.

684
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 2: So I do feel like it all kind of ties

685
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 2: in together, of like you said, if he was here today,

686
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 2: to see him being celebrated the way that he is,

687
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 2: but also to see how people it is a different era,

688
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 2: you know, back then and listen, privacy you could forget it. Yeah, nowadays,

689
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,959
Speaker 2: let you walk outside, can't take a picture of you there?

690
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 2: Already took it exactly.

691
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, he took it while you were laying in bed.

692
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: I saw somebody like filming an NBA player on the

693
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 2: plane trying to put his bag up like in the

694
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 2: overhead and having a difficult time and make it into

695
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 2: like a viral clip of like he just put his back,

696
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 1: And it's crazy that you can't do anything.

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Speaker 6: And the one thing, too, is that this film is

699
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 6: a celebration of friendship. You know all of us who

700
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 6: you know, four of us grew up together, Me, Carlos,

701
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 6: Robin and Luther. We all got into the business together.

702
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 6: We all have careers that have been flourishing. We've done

703
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 6: really well. So it's what I'm most proud about this

704
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 6: film is everybody gets a chance to see he had

705
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 6: people that had his back.

706
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying. We were not people just

707
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 7: loitering in the wings. We had his back, something like myself.

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00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 6: Some other people worked on all the records and did

709
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 6: all of the you know, did all the creating and

710
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 6: stuff like that. But you know, he was a genius

711
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 6: of a person and he was you know, he loved

712
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 6: his family, He looked out for his friends. He helped

713
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 6: some people put their kids through college, He helped some

714
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 6: people buy their homes and stuff like that. So while people,

715
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 6: you know, you need to know there was so much

716
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 6: more to this man than whether or not he had

717
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 6: this great voice. He was really and again, this is

718
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 6: a man who grew up in the southeast Bronx on

719
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Speaker 6: Dawson Street.

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Speaker 7: The building's not even there anymore.

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Speaker 2: Bronx has changed a lot. Well, listen, everybody needs so

722
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 2: how can people see this? I know it's in theatres

723
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 2: AMC Theatre is limited right now, but then you also

724
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 2: can see it streaming on.

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00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 4: Max, on Max and on Own, Oprah WINF Network.

726
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: Okay, and I think it's.

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00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 8: Premiering on Own tomorrow tomorrow, Yeah, yeah, just me.

728
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Speaker 3: It wasn't on there yet because the Max stream and

729
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Speaker 3: I don't think it starts with the eighth What's today?

730
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so you know, by the time our people get

731
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Speaker 4: around to it, I feel like this.

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Speaker 1: Is leading into a biopic.

733
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Speaker 2: Though you guys told this story so beautifully it kind

734
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Speaker 2: of would make it a natural.

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Speaker 1: Thing, you know.

736
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Speaker 4: We Jamie Fox is a producer on it.

737
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 5: When I saw him in there to Datari Turner, they

738
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 5: were fantastic to work with.

739
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Speaker 4: So who knows.

740
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Speaker 2: I went to go see that Broadway play What a

741
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Speaker 2: Wonderful World About Lewis Armstrong.

742
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Speaker 4: You know, wait to see that.

743
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Speaker 1: Yeah, at least February twenty theirst, So make sure you

744
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: get over there to go see that. But just seeing

745
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Speaker 1: these stories.

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Speaker 2: Told about these icons that we have because like you said,

747
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 2: during that time and we didn't know, you know, a

748
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Speaker 2: lot of this, just to see it put together so

749
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Speaker 2: beautifully and with such great intention. I think it's a blessing.

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Speaker 2: So thank you so much for amazing work that you

751
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Speaker 2: guys did.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for having us. It's so fun to be

753
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Speaker 4: here with you. An happy anniversary to you. Congrats relations.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it.

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00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 2: No better way to celebrate. She was like, you're not

756
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 2: going to have one because you feel guilty. If you're

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Speaker 2: the only one that haserve one, it's way up