1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to my show. I'm Rashon McDonald, a host of 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Money Making Conversations Masterclass. Well we encourage people to stop 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: reading other people's success stories and start planning your own. 4 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 2: Now. 5 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: You don't want to miss an episode, so please take 6 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: a MoMA right now to follow or subscribe to Money 7 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: Making Conversations Masterclass. 8 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 2: It's free. 9 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 1: You can follow me on iHeartRadio, app, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, 10 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your podcast. New Money Making 11 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: Conversation Masterclass episodes drop daily. I want to keep you 12 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: on alert because my guests provide tips on how you 13 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: can uplift your community, improve your financial planning, motivation, or 14 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 1: advice on how to be a successful entrepreneur. Now, let's 15 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: get this podcast started. My guest is an Air Force veteran, 16 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 1: victim advocate and single mother who is a mental wellness 17 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 1: practice but she's also the author of the book Wisdom 18 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: of the Path. Please welcome to Money Making Conversation Masterclass. 19 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: Yasmin Chyenne. How you doing? Hi? 20 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 3: How are you? Thanks for having me great? 21 00:00:58,080 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 2: Did I say your name correctly? 22 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 3: Yes? You did? 23 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 2: Okay, I want to make sure I. 24 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: Got My name is Rushan and sometimes people say rush 25 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: or rue h rauh. And I just want to make 26 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: sure because of the fact that you know it's important. 27 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 1: You know, that's part of your legacy. When you walk 28 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 1: in a room and people announce you, you want to 29 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: make sure there's announced correctly. Tell us a little bit 30 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: about you before we get into the book, miss Anne. 31 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know you share that I'm an Air 32 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 3: Force veteran, but I'm also a book one natives, and 33 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 3: I just feel like my purpose is to help people 34 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 3: create their lives that empower them to do what they love, 35 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 3: which is very much aligned with what you do here 36 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 3: on this show. 37 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 2: Thank you. 38 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's what I do. 39 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 2: Now. 40 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this when you say that, because 41 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: sometimes when I kind of like I'm a good listener, 42 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: and I'm assuming you're a good listener too, because and 43 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: when people and there's a lot of people out there 44 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: that they want to do something but they don't want 45 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: to fear stop them. Can you talk about how do 46 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: you push people beyond that fear so they can reach 47 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: for their dream Ask me. 48 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh, that's I think that's the hardest part. 49 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 3: The fear gets in the way and get into a 50 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 3: cycle of doing the same things over and over and 51 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 3: over again. And I think for a lot of us, 52 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 3: we're afraid of disappointment. We're afraid of failure. We're afraid 53 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 3: of dealing with and accepting the fact that things may 54 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 3: not go the way that we hope. And so what 55 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 3: I like to do is get people to confront the 56 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 3: fact that even if things don't go the way that 57 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 3: you hope, even if things fail, you have what it 58 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 3: takes to get yourself to where you want to be, 59 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 3: but you have to be willing to keep going. And 60 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 3: I think once we confront the fact that there's so 61 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 3: much evidence that we failed before, there's so much evidence 62 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 3: that we've made it to where we are today, then 63 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 3: we can feel empowered to keep moving. 64 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: We know that empowerment to keep moving. You know, I've 65 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 1: had a tremendous amount of success in my life. I've 66 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: also failed in my life. And sometimes I know mentoring 67 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: is a very popular term. 68 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 2: I like to believe I had mentors. I just didn't. 69 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: It just wasn't the term that you had back in 70 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: the day when I was growing up. They was like 71 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: people who just there that kept you on the right track. 72 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: That's what they would call people who kept you on 73 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: the right track. Now, when you was in the military, 74 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: why did you make the decision to go on the 75 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: Air Force. 76 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 3: You know, it was one of those things where I 77 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 3: knew I was not prepared to be an adult. Yet 78 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 3: I knew I wasn't ready. I knew if I stayed 79 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 3: in New York, you know, I was going to get 80 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 3: into some mess. And I wanted. I knew I had 81 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 3: a future that I wanted for myself. I knew that 82 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 3: I really wanted to succeed. I knew that I really 83 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 3: wanted to but I had never seen anyone do it, 84 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 3: and I had just never seen it happen before. So 85 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 3: I really thought to myself, well, if I joined the 86 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 3: Air Force, then I can go to college. Then I 87 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 3: can see the world. I thought I would quote unquote 88 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 3: see the world, and I can have an opportunity to, 89 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 3: you know, basically throw a monkey wrench in what my 90 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 3: life would have been had I stayed where I was, 91 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 3: or what I believed it could have been had I stayed. 92 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 3: So I just decided, I mean, there was no plan 93 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 3: behind this, Like I decided to join the military on 94 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 3: a whim and left two months later. So thankfully it 95 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 3: all worked out. And that's why I feel like I 96 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 3: could practice where I preached because I truly have lived 97 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 3: the experience of taking the risks, and even if it 98 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 3: ends up not being what you wanted, you could find 99 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 3: a way to turn around. 100 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 2: You know me, Jasmine. 101 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: When you say you joined it on a whim, you 102 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: know so, I mean it had to be a lot 103 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: of people telling you, girl, you crazy, You're not gonna 104 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 1: do that, that's waste your time. 105 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,919 Speaker 2: Why are you so? How did you so? 106 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 3: You know? 107 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 2: Because that's important because I listened and I heard that. 108 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: I went, well, if that means nobody was like expecting you, 109 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: that was the right direction for your personality. 110 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 3: Correct, Oh right, absolutely not. 111 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 2: You know you're not gonna listen to nobody. 112 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 3: No. I had. The only running I had ever done 113 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 3: was running for the bus. You know, I had never 114 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 3: run a day in my life. And I think I 115 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 3: just wasn't the type of person that my mother, you know, 116 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 3: my mother didn't think I would be the person that 117 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 3: would like fall in line and follow directions in that 118 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 3: kind of very militant way. When you say, how did 119 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 3: I do it on a whim? I went in and 120 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 3: visited a recruiter without telling anyone. I felt in my 121 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 3: gut that this was something that I needed to do, 122 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 3: and I knew that if I told other people about 123 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 3: it that they would talk me out of it. And 124 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,799 Speaker 3: I knew why, you know, people would be afraid. People 125 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 3: want me to be safe. And there's a lot of 126 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 3: things that go into what happens to your mind, your body, 127 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 3: is spirit when when you join the service. But I 128 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 3: didn't really see any other options, you know, being growing 129 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 3: up socioeconomically disadvantaged AKA four, I didn't really see any 130 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 3: other outlets to be able to create the change in 131 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 3: my life that I wanted. And so that was that 132 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 3: whim that risks that I felt like I needed to 133 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 3: take on myself in my life to just have an 134 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 3: opportunity for something different. 135 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to turn this show into you know, 136 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: go join the Air Force show, but it's important that 137 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: people understand that it's an option, a very positive option. 138 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: But you have to realize there are rules that they're 139 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 1: not going to adjust for you. So that means discipline, 140 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 1: and I'd like to talk about the discipline that you 141 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: encounter when you joined and had to sustain the long 142 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: length of time you was in it that you still 143 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: use today. Those messages, those those those recordings that will 144 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: talk to you about, you know, waking up at a 145 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 1: certain time, being respectful, being people understanding that you are 146 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 1: protecting the country and understand, but thank you for your service, 147 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: you know, to our country. You know, talk about that 148 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: those tools that will talk to you. 149 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 2: That you still use today. 150 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, this is the saying that I love to 151 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 3: keep close to me, which you probably heard before. It's 152 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 3: called take the meat and leave the bones. Right. So 153 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 3: when I think about a lot of the experiences that 154 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 3: I've had, especially in the military, I like to take 155 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 3: what work and leave what. I know that and one 156 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 3: of them is disciplined and commitment. It's you have to 157 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,040 Speaker 3: be willing to show up, and you have to be 158 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,119 Speaker 3: willing to be consistent, and you have to be willing 159 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 3: to do it even when it's not even when it's 160 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 3: not panning out. And that's where I think a lot 161 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 3: of people get stuck, myself included. But it's one of 162 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 3: the things that I learned in the Air Force, and 163 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 3: being in the military is so young and in my 164 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 3: life is something that I guess was ingrained in me, 165 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 3: that be willing to bet on yourself, be willing to 166 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 3: believe on yourself, and I think also learning a level 167 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 3: of I can remember making it through things that I 168 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 3: knew I didn't believe I could make it through. And 169 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 3: it doesn't have to be a military. If you're listening 170 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 3: and you haven't been in the service, maybe it was 171 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 3: a relationship you didn't think you would make it through. 172 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 3: Maybe it was a job you didn't think you would 173 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 3: make it through. Maybe it was your PhD program. Maybe 174 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 3: you know, there's so many things that we go through. Everything. 175 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 3: I don't have the discipline for this, I don't have 176 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 3: the con consistency for this, I don't have the experience 177 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 3: for this, but them we make it. And so when 178 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 3: we make it, that is evidence that no matter what 179 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 3: comes our way, we know we have what it takes. 180 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 3: We have a tool to make it again. We don't 181 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 3: want to keep going through these hard and tough experiences, 182 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 3: but we have what we able to take. And I 183 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 3: think that's one of the main things that discipline at consistency, 184 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 3: but also believing in myself that I took away from 185 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:07,679 Speaker 3: that time. 186 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 2: At least don't go anywhere. 187 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:15,239 Speaker 4: We'll be right back with more money making conversations master Class, 188 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 4: Welcome back to money Making Conversation master Class hosted by 189 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 4: me Rashaan McDonald. 190 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 2: Let's get back into it. Wow, talking to you as 191 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 2: me and Chyenne. 192 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: Your first book, and I want to bring that up 193 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: because I come from a disenfranchised community, you know, filth Forward, Houston, Texas. 194 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: Six sisters, two brothers, most of our parents who lived 195 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: in a two bedroom shatgun house. And so when I 196 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: went to high school, even though I graduated with honors, 197 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: I still didn't have the discipline as a writer. And 198 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: when I was in college as a freshman, I had 199 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: to go back and take remedial English or to advance. 200 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: And now I write today. I write all the time. 201 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 1: I became a sitcom writer. And now you are writing books. 202 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: This is your second book. I want to go back 203 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: to the first book. That had to be a very 204 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: powerful moment in your life to know that you said 205 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: I didn't say it, you said I came from a 206 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: disenfranchised community, poor, poor folks, and now you're writing books. 207 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: Talk about that journey in writing the first book and 208 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: putting the right words and people acknowledging what you have 209 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: to write changes their life. 210 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think this is one of the 211 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 3: beautiful things about having someone like myself, or like having 212 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 3: someone like you having this platform, because I think there's 213 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 3: an idea that, oh, because you come from you know, 214 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 3: the hood or the projects, or from a poor background, 215 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 3: or from all of these different places, that you can't 216 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 3: be well educated. And I think I was incredibly well educated. 217 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 3: The teachers in my schools, in these neighborhoods were so 218 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 3: devoted to my education and my writing and my learning 219 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:56,319 Speaker 3: and building my skill set that I'm so all of 220 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 3: the friends that I went to school with, the majority 221 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 3: of them are today nurses, doctor or lawyers like or 222 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 3: went into the service or opened businesses at this point. 223 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 3: You know, we're far away from elementary school at this point, 224 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 3: but they grew, and so I think it's important to 225 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 3: remember that even though the neighborhood may not have all 226 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 3: of the access as everyone else or as other people, 227 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 3: the blooming was still there, the belief was still there, 228 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 3: the systems were still there. And I know that's not 229 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 3: the case for every neighborhood like mine, but for me, 230 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 3: that was something that really really changed my life for sure, 231 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 3: And not that you don't have rant about school systems, 232 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 3: but that was something that without that, I don't know 233 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 3: what my life would have been like, So The. 234 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 1: Sugar yall, that's your first book before we get to 235 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 1: Wisdom of the Path. You write books about self empowerment 236 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: and all aspects of life. And even in this conversation, 237 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: I love how you take an experience and you, like 238 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: you said, the military can be shared in different like 239 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: walks of life, and that's important that people should be 240 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: understanding that your experience can be balanced in different lanes. 241 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: So it's related to the everyday person because that's all 242 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: you're doing, Yes, me, you just want to be relatable 243 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: so you can motivate people to understand that this can 244 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: be you. Why was writing The Sugar Jaw so important? 245 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 3: Yeah? I think that with our boundaries, most of us 246 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 3: walk around resentful. We are upset, we are exhausted, we 247 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 3: are overwhelmed, we are drained, And I think boundaries is 248 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 3: the beginning steps to being able to take care of yourself. 249 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 3: And for those of us who are listening who don't 250 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,199 Speaker 3: know what boundaries are, it's really being willing to say no. 251 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 3: It's being willing to let people know I'm a capacity. 252 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 3: This isn't going to work for me. I don't have 253 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 3: the time, you know, Advocating for yourself, standing up for yourself, 254 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 3: and for a lot of people, that is the hardest 255 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 3: thing to do in relationships. And so The Sugar Jar 256 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 3: is an introduction into how you can begin to create 257 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:51,719 Speaker 3: boundaries in your relationships that ensure that your relationships are 258 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 3: healthy and that you are also our priority in your life, 259 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 3: and that you're not just giving and showing up for 260 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 3: everyone without thinking about yourself. 261 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: You know, that's a book about understanding you. That's a 262 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: book about you. Know, when you wake up in the morning, 263 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: it should be about you. A lot of people use 264 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: the word selfish, and it's probably the most misunderstood word 265 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: I've ever heard in my life because people say, oh, 266 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: you selfish. Okay, I'll tell you something. Every successful person 267 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: in this world, an athlete Lebron James, is very selfish. 268 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: Otherwise he wouldn't be Lebron James. You have to understand 269 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: one day, it has to be about you to achieve 270 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: your dreams. 271 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 2: Now. 272 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 1: Selfish is bad when it becomes all about you, When 273 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 1: you distance yourselves and you feel that you're better than 274 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: people and you don't want to give back to the community, 275 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: that's when it's selfish. When you're blessings that you've been 276 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: given that have ain't given to you. You don't want 277 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: to share with anybody that's selfish. But if you're motivated 278 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: to look in the mirror and say, I'm doing this 279 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: because this is part of my dream, this is part 280 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: of my path. When I get there, oh, I will 281 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: look back. And that's what the sugar jaw. When I 282 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: was reading it, I felt that was the blessing of 283 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: my relationship with the words that you were given to me. 284 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 2: Did I misunderstand anything? He asking? 285 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 3: No. I love that, And I think that that's the 286 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 3: essence of what the book is truly. I think so 287 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 3: many of us are afraid of being called selfish. So 288 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 3: many of us are afraid of disappointing people. So and 289 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 3: we've had it happen when you finally get the courage 290 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 3: to say no, we've had that say you're selfish, and 291 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 3: so we're like, that's the worst, one of the worst 292 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 3: things you can be called. Yes, justly when you feel 293 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 3: like you're always giving and showing up to people. And 294 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 3: so sometimes we have to just be We have to 295 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 3: let people sit in the discomfort. We have to get 296 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 3: comfortable letting people be disappointed with us, because if we 297 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 3: are if we're never disappointing anyone and we're always showing up, 298 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 3: if we're always there twenty four to seven, then I know, 299 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 3: I know you're tired. I know you don't have time 300 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 3: for your own dreams. I know you don't have time 301 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 3: for yourself, maybe not even for your family and the 302 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 3: things that matter for you. And so this isn't writing 303 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 3: everybody else off and only focusing on yourself. It's prioritizing 304 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 3: yourself so that you can show up for the things 305 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 3: that matter for you in your life, and also for 306 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 3: every everything else in your life that matters too. 307 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 2: I love you. 308 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: She's preaching right now. She is preaching. Give me preaching 309 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: the word of the Word of Shyenne. 310 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 2: Please don't go anywhere. 311 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,239 Speaker 4: We'll be right back with more Money Making Conversations Masterclass. 312 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 4: No need for you to do me a favor right 313 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 4: now to follow or subscribe to Money Making Conversation. It's 314 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 4: free and you can find it on the iHeartRadio app, Spotify, 315 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 4: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Please do 316 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 4: me that favor, follow or subscribe money Making Conversations. Welcome 317 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 4: back to Money Making Conversations master Class, hosted by me 318 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 4: Rashaun McDonald. Money Making Conversation master Class continues online at 319 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 4: Moneymaking Conversations dot com and follow money Making Conversations Masterclass 320 00:14:58,000 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 4: on Facebook, X and Instagram. 321 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: Let me get back to my favorite person straight out 322 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: of Brooklyn Air Force veteran victim applicant who has a 323 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: mental wellness practice. 324 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 2: Now, talk about that before we get. 325 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 3: Into the book, because I think that so many of 326 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 3: us have things that we've gone through, things that we 327 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 3: thought would break us, things that maybe did break us, 328 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 3: maybe did transform us. I hope that when we go 329 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 3: through things that we use it as I like to 330 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 3: use things to push me forward. I there are moments 331 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 3: where I definitely think, oh my goodness, I'm going to 332 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 3: give up, and then I just find someone, find something, 333 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 3: a book, a documentary, a scripture, a you know, anything 334 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 3: that can get me back to that place. And so 335 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 3: maybe that's the vibrance to you here and something I've chosen. 336 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 3: And I think that's why I teach the work that 337 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 3: I teach. I think a lot of us are waiting 338 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 3: for that moment to happen where all of a sudden 339 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 3: everything makes sense. In my experience, we have to choose 340 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 3: each minute to make it make sense when it doesn't 341 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 3: make sense, you know what I mean. 342 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: Absolutely, I've been involved with when it comes to books, 343 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: because defining your voice, you know, with Steve Harvey was 344 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: to acting like a lady, thinking like a man. Sold 345 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: three million copies worldwide, translating in thirty different languages, two movies, 346 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: and then the next book was always what is that 347 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: next book? What is that next book? You wanted to 348 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: write another book? Why was it important to follow up 349 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: The Sugar Jar with another book? 350 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 3: I'm the writer's right, what I do? 351 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: This is what I do, Okay, right, Okay. 352 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 2: I don't tell jokes. I don't talk about sports. I write, Okay, I. 353 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 3: Talk about sports. I love watching it. Yeah, So I 354 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 3: think that's definitely the motivator. And I think that people, 355 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 3: even though we are in a digital age, I think 356 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 3: that people still love reading a book that they can 357 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 3: relate to, love getting absorbed in something where they see 358 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 3: themselves in it. And I love being a part of 359 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 3: helping tell stories. 360 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 2: So yeah, is it a Do you have this in 361 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 2: audio too? It's just only in digital in print. 362 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 3: No, I actually have it in audio as well, and 363 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 3: I've read the book as well. 364 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 2: Wow. 365 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 1: That let's talk about that because that is a that 366 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,120 Speaker 1: was one of his biggest sellers was audio and also 367 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: Steve Harvey's biggest seller was audio because a lot of times. 368 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: My wife, you know, she likes to drive, drive a lot. 369 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: It's incredible. She just hopped out. There are things called airplanes. Honey, yeah, airplanes, 370 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 1: you can get them. I'm driving, Okay, you want to 371 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,959 Speaker 1: drive from Atlanta to Houston and back from Houston. 372 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 2: And so she always listens to the audiobooks. I don't 373 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 2: say who to her. She loves it, and so she 374 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:38,199 Speaker 2: listens to audio books. 375 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: Now, let's talk about the book to give us some 376 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: background on it and why you wrote this book. 377 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 3: Yes, so you know what I think about. We talked 378 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:47,360 Speaker 3: about the boundaries. Right. If you're set in the boundaries 379 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 3: in your life, then you're finally starting to say no 380 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 3: to people. You're finally starting to stand up for yourself. 381 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 3: You're finally starting to advocate for yourself. Right. Well, what 382 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 3: usually happens when that, when you do that, is you 383 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 3: start to lose relationships. You realize people are only friends 384 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 3: with you because you have no boundaries. Maybe you realize 385 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 3: your relationship, your marriage is over, you need to change 386 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 3: your job, and so what happens when you have all 387 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 3: of those tough experiences you try to figure out, how 388 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 3: do I get through this? How do I get to 389 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 3: the other side. That is what Wisdom of the Path 390 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 3: is about. This book is not necessarily it's not going 391 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 3: to give you any steps. Unfortunately, I don't have a checklist. 392 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:23,360 Speaker 3: I haven't found on it, so that there was one, 393 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 3: i'd be using it. But when we hear other people's 394 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 3: stories and we can see ourselves and their experiences, even 395 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 3: though it may not be the same, we're inspired, empowered, 396 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 3: and most importantly, we realize we're not alone, and it 397 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 3: can give us just that moment of not tearing ourselves apart, 398 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 3: not judging ourselves anymore, and being on our own side, 399 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 3: so that we can allow people to support us, we 400 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 3: can allow helping, and we can finally figure out what 401 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 3: it is we need to do next. Because when you're 402 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 3: beating yourself up, you can't even see clearly, and a 403 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 3: lot of us have been doing that for years, decades, 404 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 3: and we don't even realize that we've been an enemy 405 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 3: towards ourselves for lack of a better terms. 406 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 1: Well, you know, Wisdom of the Path that tells me 407 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: that you know you know, as they say, you see 408 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: some footprints, put your foot right in that same footprint, 409 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: and don't try to deviate because that path will take 410 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 1: you where you need to go. Just follow it. Now, 411 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: when you walk that path, they're gonna be some downtimes. 412 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: Sometimes it's gonna break you. They're gonna be some fun times. 413 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: Sometimes they're going to tell you don't. 414 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 2: So much fun. 415 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 1: It might take you off that path, it might challenge 416 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: you to get off that path. Is that really the 417 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 1: nature of the book and the nature of the title, 418 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: yas mean? 419 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 3: Yes. I think the nature of wisdom of the path 420 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:46,719 Speaker 3: is you already have you You already know what the 421 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 3: next step is. You already know you should say no, 422 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 3: you already know what you should be doing. So what 423 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 3: would happen is you just took the next step and 424 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 3: the next step and the next step, and moved forward 425 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 3: in your life, finally started the business, finally did the 426 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 3: thing that you've been thinking about doing, and use those 427 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 3: experiences that you're judging yourself for as wisdom to help 428 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 3: you move forward. And I think that is the essence 429 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 3: of wisdom of the past, to finally take those past 430 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 3: experiences as lessons as opposed to mistakes. 431 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: Wow, kick all that fear to the curve, Ladies and 432 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: Jim kicking all that fear to the curve. As we 433 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: close up, please tell everybody how they. 434 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 2: Can get your book. 435 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 3: Yes, The Wisdom of the Path is available at Bronze 436 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 3: and Noble, Target, Amazon, everywhere books are sold. 437 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 2: Thank you for listening to this episode. 438 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:36,719 Speaker 1: No, I need for you to do me a favor 439 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: right now to follow our subscribe to Money Making Conversation. 440 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 1: It's free and you can find it on the iHeartRadio app, Spotify, 441 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 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