Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast more strange than a Sissler.
Speaker 2: Fever dream from the Chris Westling podcast studio, It's Around
Speaker 2: the NFL. My name is Dan Heads and I got
Speaker 2: heroes here, Greg Rosendal, Mark Sessler and them Feva.
Speaker 1: Dreams and to my right.
Speaker 2: During the regular season, it was Wednesdays with Connie Connie.
Speaker 2: Now it is not Tuesdays with Maury. Tuesdays with Connie,
Speaker 2: Colleen Wilf. It's way more fun, way more fun than
Speaker 2: a Mitch album. Page Turner, Hello, Hey, you had a
Speaker 2: great idea off seasons rapidly approaching.
Speaker 3: Uh huh, I love.
Speaker 4: The off season summer of Connie's almost sure.
Speaker 2: Sure the idea of us just dedicating an episode to
Speaker 2: breakups in.
Speaker 4: Our personal life breakup stories because we were just telling
Speaker 4: some off air and they were quite amusing.
Speaker 5: I think that'd be good, and we have a little
Speaker 5: NFL hook to it, you know, there's some breakup that
Speaker 5: week and then we dive in.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, gotta be careful how you you know, label the
Speaker 6: person that you were talking like high school years, right,
Speaker 6: These could be alien, sure, they could be adults with children.
Speaker 6: At this point, you don't want to revisit that in
Speaker 6: the If they're listeners.
Speaker 4: They don't have to be our person. It could be
Speaker 4: like a friend crazy breakup.
Speaker 3: We have a lot of breakup.
Speaker 5: Stories where his ex girlfriends are listening to the show
Speaker 5: on a regularly not entirely untrue.
Speaker 1: You have women that you've dated that are listening right now.
Speaker 1: I have evidence of one.
Speaker 6: Wow, not religiously and probably turned off by the whole concepts.
Speaker 3: Like the off seasons here go ahead?
Speaker 1: Is this camp happiness r? Sessler?
Speaker 6: No, it would be posted by the lake that had
Speaker 6: multiple errors, but it would be posts that in general.
Speaker 1: Pearl Jim just put out verses. I think we'll see
Speaker 1: name the doctors on top of the world.
Speaker 5: Save it for the I mean, Dan and I haven't
Speaker 5: even had our our spouses ever listened to the show.
Speaker 5: And Mark Scott his camp Happiness girl still still checking
Speaker 5: in daily. She's like, Oh, I can't wait to hear
Speaker 5: about the Steelers offensive coordinator higher What Mark has to say?
Speaker 1: Not sure it's continually If that's the word you just use,
Speaker 1: can we get can we have around the show for
Speaker 1: that episode? Yeah?
Speaker 6: I would, I'd be happy to check. I don't think
Speaker 6: there's any ill will at this point. Again, I think
Speaker 6: anyone that I dated from back then has like, you know,
Speaker 6: four children at this point and is a completely different person.
Speaker 1: No hard feelings good.
Speaker 6: I'm assuming maybe if you get under it the old sestom,
Speaker 6: maybe you buried him and then you get a little
Speaker 6: bit deep and you realize there are issues still there.
Speaker 5: Four children each. I mean, Mark only liked him if
Speaker 5: they were fertile.
Speaker 1: He's like that. The first thing I ask you stop.
Speaker 2: Speaking of uh, you know, art, hard talks and digging
Speaker 2: into the emotional emotional side of things. A little later
Speaker 2: in today's show, we're going to give some pep talk boks,
Speaker 2: some heart to hearts, some tough talks to those who
Speaker 2: need them. Colleen, how confident one to ten are you
Speaker 2: with the understanding of today's.
Speaker 4: Well, you just said pep talks, and when you texted
Speaker 4: us you said tough conversations.
Speaker 1: And sometimes a pep talk is a tough conversation. Okay,
Speaker 1: But I asked for.
Speaker 6: Clarific I am often in her world about I'm driving
Speaker 6: around having no CONCEPTENCEE and I are aligned on this.
Speaker 6: We are, and like I I actually had asked for clarification.
Speaker 2: Can I offer a clarify that as as host, Colleen
Speaker 2: is often a little confused about where to take it.
Speaker 2: Mark's all funnel to the same place, Like it doesn't
Speaker 2: matter how clear the explanation.
Speaker 6: We said, like I want to I want to make
Speaker 6: sure I'm trying to meet what your vision was, and
Speaker 6: you said any I think anything goes basically so it's
Speaker 6: just a conversation.
Speaker 1: It's just right, Well, somehow will go wrong. I have
Speaker 1: a feeling I'll let you very confident.
Speaker 2: I feel confident that if you feel confident, we'll all
Speaker 2: be confident that this segment went well.
Speaker 3: I think it's going to be great.
Speaker 1: All right, but.
Speaker 2: Before we do that, and by the way, today's show
Speaker 2: is presented by DraftKings, Nice bang.
Speaker 6: I'd also mention one thing because I think that people
Speaker 6: think that we have these easy jobs where here we
Speaker 6: know no it just you come in and you just
Speaker 6: talk about sports. It's like all four of us simultaneously
Speaker 6: on our laptops are dealing with what I would call
Speaker 6: like a.
Speaker 1: It's like a category eight like I would.
Speaker 2: Issue if if imagine for those old enough, if Y
Speaker 2: two K actually happened.
Speaker 1: That's what we're dealing with. And it's and I will
Speaker 1: I'm not ik it counts clear traffic lights blinking. We
Speaker 1: don't need to we don't need to like dig down
Speaker 1: into it.
Speaker 6: But but at any moment, like every three or four minutes,
Speaker 6: all of our computers invariably are shutting off and we
Speaker 6: have to restart them while our information is contained on screen.
Speaker 1: And yet we continued. It seems seeming no would know they're.
Speaker 5: Well, now they would because we spent two minutes talking
Speaker 5: about that heroic we are all are fighting through this.
Speaker 4: I'm always told you get duck. No one needs to
Speaker 4: know what's going on underneath the water. You're just swimming
Speaker 4: along and it looks very smooth, and all the chaos
Speaker 4: is underneath.
Speaker 6: I like to make us look, you know, as valuable
Speaker 6: as possible.
Speaker 2: I think to synchronize the security detail these laptops universally.
Speaker 2: It feels like a major misstep by the IT department.
Speaker 2: It around that it may just sink today's program, But.
Speaker 3: I love it. I love everyone that works in the
Speaker 3: IT department.
Speaker 1: Here. We have bad days here. This is their bad day,
Speaker 1: and we're going to work through it hopefully.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm confident in that.
Speaker 1: All right, it just can't It just came up there.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 6: It's a ready, it's not fictional. It's like we're working
Speaker 6: with this in real time.
Speaker 1: Let's just in this. Greg's uncomfortable the end of the play.
Speaker 2: Tough you know, don't worry, Bub, there's only sixty five
Speaker 2: million people watching that game.
Speaker 1: Tough one. Bub, Why did you just? Why did you side?
Speaker 1: I said that.
Speaker 5: He's fighting through it. He's fighting through a difficult situation.
Speaker 1: He is.
Speaker 5: He's paddling underneath the surface, which we knew his name
Speaker 5: would be very easy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, find that out pract official voice.
Speaker 6: I mean, I think he could walk into a bar
Speaker 6: and knock like half the bar out too. It's not
Speaker 6: like he was some wimp up there, which as he's
Speaker 6: John Raid from a Johnny Smith hanging there. It's like,
Speaker 6: you know, Bub, Peter Brady voice cracking like you know
Speaker 6: what I mean.
Speaker 1: He was sick. He was, he was sick. Let's all
Speaker 1: been there.
Speaker 2: Let's try to avoid nineteen seventies pop culture references.
Speaker 1: We got to move forward as it we got it.
Speaker 1: I won't go there again. We have a young clientele.
Speaker 3: Eighty pop culture references just.
Speaker 1: Roughly forty years ago.
Speaker 2: Let's get to the eighties, preferably nineties. I just had
Speaker 2: a Y two K ref.
Speaker 3: He was singing Frasier before the show.
Speaker 5: Let's talk about how Live was a bad band name
Speaker 5: for the tenth time on the show.
Speaker 3: The Internet is actually a band name too.
Speaker 2: I mean when Ed Kual checking the guys from York
Speaker 2: Pennsylvania said we got to come up with a band
Speaker 2: name back in about ninety one, and they're like, Live
Speaker 2: it talks about how we're vital and that that's where
Speaker 2: our music comes to life.
Speaker 1: And then it's like six years later, you're on AOL
Speaker 1: and you got him in Live. They go, was it
Speaker 1: live with an ext explanation point too?
Speaker 2: I believe No, it was like Live with some type
Speaker 2: of like reverse underscore and overscore over the eye. Well, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's tough one that you can't which is not searchable either, a.
Speaker 1: Marketing Y two K truly. All right, let's do some
Speaker 1: news became a huge mistakes.
Speaker 2: The Atlanta Falcons have named Raheem Morris their new head coach.
Speaker 1: Oh you're so unfair, Dan. Raheem Morris, the.
Speaker 2: First former NFL head coach Arthur Blank is hired in
Speaker 2: his twenty plus year tenure.
Speaker 1: He is and this is a positive.
Speaker 2: The first full time blackhead coach in the franchise's history,
Speaker 2: and he's also notably not Bill Belichick. So the Atlanta
Speaker 2: Falcons go with Raheem Morris, who's had previous head coaching
Speaker 2: experience with Tampa Bay.
Speaker 1: He was also an interim head coach. Where was he
Speaker 1: the interim coach?
Speaker 6: Well, alcoul it was almost hired for that job, that right,
Speaker 6: thank you very much.
Speaker 2: So after fourteen interviews, Colleen, the Falcons go with Raheem Morris.
Speaker 1: How you feeling about this one?
Speaker 4: I mean I kind of think that it's sort of
Speaker 4: for Arthur Blank, the fact that he wasn't hired the
Speaker 4: last time when they went with Arthur Smith. This is
Speaker 4: sort of like, Okay, maybe I made a mistake, like maybe.
Speaker 3: You should have been the head coach the last time.
Speaker 4: But the search that they had, i mean, fourteen candidates,
Speaker 4: multiple second interviews, like they almost be exhausted first of
Speaker 4: all from the interview process in general. But it's kind
Speaker 4: of I just think it's really interesting that they ended
Speaker 4: up bringing him back when he was on the coaching
Speaker 4: staff there from twenty fifteen to twenty twenty. Obviously he's
Speaker 4: known as a defensive guy, but he's coached on both
Speaker 4: sides of the ball because in Atlanta he was the
Speaker 4: wide receivers coach from twenty sixteen to twenty nineteen. But
Speaker 4: it's a totally different roster at this point from when
Speaker 4: Raheem Morris was last there. Only six players remain from
Speaker 4: his last time there who were under contract for this
Speaker 4: upcoming season. And I think that it's kind of interesting
Speaker 4: too that both Morris and Terry Fontina the GM will
Speaker 4: report directly to Blank, so they cut out Rich McKay
Speaker 4: the CEO, and Blank said that McKay will no longer
Speaker 4: be involved in day to day football operations. So that
Speaker 4: almost reminds me of back when Chip Kelly came in
Speaker 4: as the Eagles head coach and Howie Roseman was like
Speaker 4: banished to a storage closet essentially, and.
Speaker 1: The other side of the building literally, yeah.
Speaker 3: Came back rose from the Ashes. But ultimately, the quarterb will.
Speaker 4: Dictate Raheem's success as the head coach there, like Desmond
Speaker 4: Ritter and Taylor Heineky, Taylor Heinie, He's going to be
Speaker 4: a cap casualty. So whoever they end up bringing in
Speaker 4: is going to be the ultimate decider of what happens
Speaker 4: with Raheem Morris in his second chance as a head
Speaker 4: coach and his second chance with Atlanta.
Speaker 3: Will it be like.
Speaker 4: A Baker Mayfield type because Baker and Raheem were together
Speaker 4: in LA. If things don't work out with Baker and
Speaker 4: Tampa Bay, since he's a free agent, will they bring
Speaker 4: in someone like her cousins or Russell Wilson. So I
Speaker 4: think that that is the main thing to really watch.
Speaker 1: He's entirely different, did it?
Speaker 3: That's all I got?
Speaker 1: Human, That's a lot. That was good.
Speaker 5: Look, he was one of the youngest head coaches in
Speaker 5: NFL history when he took that Bucks job. He was
Speaker 5: thirty three years old.
Speaker 1: Remember the youngree Bucks.
Speaker 5: It was two thousand Hungary, it was two thousand and nine.
Speaker 5: They went ten and six in his second year with
Speaker 5: Josh Johnson as his quarterback.
Speaker 2: That's the coach of the year, Josh Freeman. Rather, no,
Speaker 2: I don't think so, but he definitely was. I remember
Speaker 2: the best one we ended up seeing an NFL mark
Speaker 2: and off that year.
Speaker 1: He was like stock up. Yes, he was seen as
Speaker 1: one of the great young coaches in the least.
Speaker 5: And that was now what thirteen years ago, and all
Speaker 5: you hear from players, from coaches, from everyone. He's beloved
Speaker 5: and like you, hear it enough year after year after
Speaker 5: year that he, like Jalen Ramsey says he's the best
Speaker 5: coach he's ever had. All these different coaches say, all
Speaker 5: these different players say, this is the best coach I
Speaker 5: ever had. And a lot of it is like leader
Speaker 5: of men, he has a better idea of how different
Speaker 5: organizations work. I think this is a great way to
Speaker 5: get your second job, that you had that much amount
Speaker 5: of time in between, and you saw that many different
Speaker 5: sort of setups under Dan Quinn in Atlanta, under Sean
Speaker 5: McVeigh in Los Angeles, and the staff I think that
Speaker 5: he sold them on also was probably a big part
Speaker 5: of that. Zach Robinson is offensive coordinator. He was a
Speaker 5: highly respected assistant in Los Angeles who's kind of seen
Speaker 5: as the next offensive guy from that tree, and he
Speaker 5: very tight with Morris, and Morris sold them on like
Speaker 5: he's gonna come with me, He'll take this job instead
Speaker 5: of all the other ones, like the Patriots were hot
Speaker 5: after him, the Saints, all these other ones, And that's
Speaker 5: part of it. And then more than more than all that,
Speaker 5: like they know him, they know him and they like him,
Speaker 5: and so there's familiarity there that I think he had
Speaker 5: that the other eight or nine Second Interview candidates didn't have.
Speaker 5: Bill Belichick was never getting this job after he left
Speaker 5: the Second Interview and he wasn't hired. I think people
Speaker 5: have kind of been like, I can't believe they didn't
Speaker 5: hire Belichick. I know you said that to and I
Speaker 5: get that, But that decision was made two weeks ago
Speaker 5: because Belichick, like the second Belichick left that Second Interview
Speaker 5: and he wasn't the choice, and they continued tow they
Speaker 5: clearly weren't hiring him, Like, if you're hiring Bill Belichick,
Speaker 5: you just hire him. He came in with whatever he
Speaker 5: wanted the setup to be, they didn't agree with it
Speaker 5: for whatever reason, and so then out of the other
Speaker 5: thirteen choices, to me, Morris makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 6: I think it was more of a Belichick saying probably
Speaker 6: like I don't want to work with a Terry Fott know,
Speaker 6: the one we don't know.
Speaker 2: We don't know the history around Belichick, we don't even
Speaker 2: know like all this talk around Belichick, like he wants
Speaker 2: to make all the decisions, all this different stuff.
Speaker 1: We're all just kind of assuming that and we don't know.
Speaker 5: I loved it from I don't why we didn't hear
Speaker 5: report from the Washington Post that he was planning to
Speaker 5: bring Patricia, Joe Judge and possibly Joshua.
Speaker 2: Okay, so members of the step. But I mean in
Speaker 2: terms of the day to day football.
Speaker 6: Up, yeah, I think it's just like Belichick basically not
Speaker 6: moving off of Belichick thinking.
Speaker 1: And that's fine.
Speaker 6: I'm not saying that like there was other people saying
Speaker 6: that Arthur Blank actually was pretty resolute on giving him
Speaker 6: a real chance and wanting to bring Belichick in.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I think they want. I think they supposedly
Speaker 5: in November this was their plan. They've been working on
Speaker 5: Belichick for months and something made them change their mind.
Speaker 6: But I don't think Morris is like this deep second place,
Speaker 6: because I was listening to Peter King, who had talked
Speaker 6: to a ton of people over years, and was like,
Speaker 6: he said that Raheem Morris and he wasn't pumping him
Speaker 6: up that if you ranked like coaches, what in terms
Speaker 6: of the higher review that he gets they got from
Speaker 6: people that work with him over years and years, that
Speaker 6: Raheem Morris was easy top five and that players were
Speaker 6: actually agitated when he left the Falcons the last time.
Speaker 6: That to your point, like Greg he that's how he
Speaker 6: makes players feeling. So I do like the coach that
Speaker 6: doesn't just get hired like the next cycle after they
Speaker 6: get fired and they failed. It's like he has gone
Speaker 6: and done everything. If you're saying that Mike McCarthy went
Speaker 6: and had a one year away sojourn to learn about
Speaker 6: other ways to do things, like Morris has gone half
Speaker 6: of his career doing that. And I think it's a
Speaker 6: good fit because he fits in an organization that he
Speaker 6: already fitted well.
Speaker 2: I mean, just be clear, I don't think Raheem Morris
Speaker 2: is gonna necessarily I'm not saying he's a.
Speaker 1: From a Belichick angle.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying I find it difficult to wrap my
Speaker 2: head around, especially if it's true that blanket circled Belichick
Speaker 2: months and months ago.
Speaker 1: That to change your mind and hire, yes, he's what
Speaker 1: would make you change your mind, I don't know.
Speaker 2: We don't know eating like that at a certain point, Listen,
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the everything about this, the fact that
Speaker 2: they spoke with fourteen different people, the general trajectory of
Speaker 2: this organization since twenty eight three, and I just I
Speaker 2: can't give them the benef of the doubt that they
Speaker 2: haven't galaxy brained their way into an absurd decision. And
Speaker 2: maybe everyone else is right, because I know this is
Speaker 2: now the popular thinking. Bill is over the hill, Bill
Speaker 2: demands control. Bill is a guy that he comes in
Speaker 2: and nobody can work with him because he's a certain way.
Speaker 2: And maybe that is all true, or maybe people are
Speaker 2: having the chance to hire Bill Belichick right now and
Speaker 2: they've gotten in their mind so wrapped around the negatives
Speaker 2: that they don't see what's right in front of them,
Speaker 2: which is the most successful head coach who has ever lived.
Speaker 1: That's all.
Speaker 2: And I feel bad because it was kind of a
Speaker 2: d move for me to be negative about Raheem when
Speaker 2: I set the story up, But it's because I think
Speaker 2: it's outrageous in a coaching cycle where there's been what
Speaker 2: eight openings that this guy is gonna.
Speaker 5: Be out of, Well, they're there the only ones even
Speaker 5: that way, literally, And I think that was I heard that,
Speaker 5: and this makes sense to me that that might have
Speaker 5: been a factor and it shouldn't be. And it does
Speaker 5: point to what you're saying, the Falcons being a bad organization.
Speaker 1: Maybe is like I think they.
Speaker 5: Were a little spooke that literally no one else had
Speaker 5: any interest in him.
Speaker 1: They're like, that shouldn't be Ye, you're discuss should processed
Speaker 1: in you should have your own mind.
Speaker 3: We have no idea what We don't know that either.
Speaker 4: We don't know a lot of things, but you don't
Speaker 4: know what his demands were or anything like that.
Speaker 5: But I know enough about Bill Belichick and his history
Speaker 5: in New England, and I've listened to Tom Kerran, who
Speaker 5: knows him as well as anyone, talking about It's like,
Speaker 5: he's not going to be like, oh yeah, I'll like
Speaker 5: I'll like report to Rich McKay or I'll like work
Speaker 5: with Terry Fi Like, of course he's not doing that,
Speaker 5: Like that's not going to be an option for him
Speaker 5: at this stage of his career.
Speaker 4: But also Raheem has to be attractive because of his
Speaker 4: experience there, and obviously Arthur Blank knows him so well.
Speaker 4: I was talking to DiAngelo Hall about this because when
Speaker 4: when d Hall was doing the morning show with me,
Speaker 4: Good Morning Football, and that was when he when let's
Speaker 4: see what year was that when Morris was the interim
Speaker 4: head coach.
Speaker 1: Was that twenty twenty twenty?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Dee Hall absolutely loved Raheem then and he
Speaker 4: was standing on the table for him then to get
Speaker 4: the job. And it was like from week after week
Speaker 4: as soon as he took over as the interim and
Speaker 4: I was like, are you going to go and work
Speaker 4: in Atlanta? But he's under contract still in Carolina, d
Speaker 4: Hall is, but he was just saying he loves Raheem
Speaker 4: and he really thinks that he a great job, relates
Speaker 4: to the players.
Speaker 5: And he is kind of sneakily like a big Shanahan
Speaker 5: slash mcmay tree guy because he was on that Washington staff,
Speaker 5: that the original Shannon staff. He was with Kyle Shanahan
Speaker 5: and he was the receivers coach during twenty three. He
Speaker 5: was on the offensive side of the ball during that
Speaker 5: and he was just twice he was on the offensive
Speaker 5: and then he was just with McVeigh, you know. So
Speaker 5: he is from that tree that everyone's kind of going.
Speaker 5: And I heard the Rams pushed really hard too, saying
Speaker 5: like they loved him. They talked him up and to
Speaker 5: their own detriment because they lose Zach Robinson and he's
Speaker 5: taking some more staff members from the Rams.
Speaker 1: They do get two third round, they do get that
Speaker 1: Sentory picks. That does help.
Speaker 2: That's how it goes. All right, let's move on. This
Speaker 2: is a surprise that broke right before we started. Ben
Speaker 2: Johnson is not leaving the Detroit Lions. The offensive coordinator
Speaker 2: informed the Seahawks and Commanders. Those are the two teams
Speaker 2: that if you have to hire a coach that he's
Speaker 2: staying in Detroit. That's from Tom Pellisero and Seattle and Washington.
Speaker 2: As I said, they have those two vacancies. He was
Speaker 2: scheduled to meet with both clubs for interviews this week,
Speaker 2: but instead of the thirty seven year old will stay
Speaker 2: in Detroit.
Speaker 1: Mark.
Speaker 2: This is obviously a big lift for the Lions at
Speaker 2: a time where they could use some good news to
Speaker 2: keep that continuity with the offense.
Speaker 1: And also we'll just I'll just say it a risk for.
Speaker 2: Ben Johnson because you don't year to year, especially as
Speaker 2: an OC, you never know how you know, your public
Speaker 2: perception could change. He was a very hot name this year,
Speaker 2: He'll probably be a hot name next year, but he
Speaker 2: chooses to stay home and great news for the Lions.
Speaker 6: It we have seen coaches who were high flyers and
Speaker 6: about to get hired make a you know, a philosophical
Speaker 6: choice to pass stay where they are and then their
Speaker 6: names fade if the you know, if the Lions were
Speaker 6: to crash and burn next season, like benj it's all
Speaker 6: about like hype and Kellen Moore as an example, I
Speaker 6: mean Kellen Moore, Yes.
Speaker 5: He's getting James Byron left, which supposedly turned down the
Speaker 5: Doug Peterson job in Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: He's led really not even in a league right, fade fast.
Speaker 6: But you know, chefter at a nugget that Ben Johnson
Speaker 6: also was asking for a lot of money. That could
Speaker 6: also just be spin and pr and you know, people
Speaker 6: saying things, but his asking price was very high. But
Speaker 6: I think if you're him and you look at the
Speaker 6: team that you're on right now, and the way it's built,
Speaker 6: like the other wilderness you could be in is to
Speaker 6: go to a team and have like Geno Smith melt away,
Speaker 6: or go to Washington and pick the wrong quarterback and
Speaker 6: then you're in a terrible situation and everyone's pointing fingers
Speaker 6: at you.
Speaker 1: You can stay like the center of the party.
Speaker 6: If you go to Detroit, they go back to the
Speaker 6: playoffs and you got a chance at eight other teams
Speaker 6: next sup.
Speaker 2: As was trying to say in our conversation with Cynthia
Speaker 2: on Thursday, We're we talk about canalas like, if you
Speaker 2: really believe in your abilities. I'm not saying this has
Speaker 2: happened what happened with him, but it's okay to pass
Speaker 2: on a job opening like the one in Carolina, which
Speaker 2: is very dicey if you want something that is more
Speaker 2: suited for you or feels like a better landing spot.
Speaker 2: Can always takes an obvious risk with Carolina. Ben Johnson
Speaker 2: is going the other route.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dave Canalis, huh, you're.
Speaker 1: Doing good with the with the canal Anala.
Speaker 4: I mean, this is now, what the second time that
Speaker 4: Ben Johnson has turned down potential head coaching opportunities.
Speaker 3: We don't know like.
Speaker 4: If he would have gotten these jobs or not, but
Speaker 4: since he's staying, that's such a boon for Dan Campbell
Speaker 4: now that he doesn't have to go out and find
Speaker 4: someone else to be a creative play caller that knows
Speaker 4: these players that had this success, and it just feels
Speaker 4: like if they're able to keep this in place and
Speaker 4: go far again, then Ben Johnson has even more of
Speaker 4: a leg to stand on with these head coaching opportunities.
Speaker 4: So I just think it speaks volumes of the culture
Speaker 4: in Detroit too, of what they've been able to build
Speaker 4: and for Ben Johnson to see when he started with Detroit,
Speaker 4: because he's seen it really dark there. He's seen dark
Speaker 4: times and he's seen the turnaround. And to your point, Dan, yeah,
Speaker 4: go to a place that has to that. He would
Speaker 4: have to do that again, that's not easy. That's not
Speaker 4: an easy thing to turn around, to change people's mindset
Speaker 4: and to go to another toxic place and to make
Speaker 4: it a winning atmosphere, Like that's not easy, and like.
Speaker 6: Not every thirty seven year old is maybe inside like
Speaker 6: measuring where they're at like ready to do this. Like
Speaker 6: I know that everyone getting is getting hired at younger,
Speaker 6: like there are I'm we talked. I talked to Ian
Speaker 6: one time and he talked about like a certain head
Speaker 6: coach candidate reached out saying like like I like that
Speaker 6: people see me this way, but I feel like I
Speaker 6: need more experience.
Speaker 5: And it's like that's like Raheem Morris the f first
Speaker 5: time he's talked about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he wasn't really ready for it.
Speaker 5: And I think it's awesome because I just like the
Speaker 5: idea that someone in this society essentially can decide like
Speaker 5: there are more things better, more important than money. Like
Speaker 5: I think he's making a personal choice that I don't
Speaker 5: know if it's about readiness, I don't know anything like that.
Speaker 5: To me, it's like I have this situation that I
Speaker 5: truly love, that we're trying to accomplish something special, that
Speaker 5: I've been here for five years, that I know this
Speaker 5: is great and whatever is going to be next in
Speaker 5: my career is gonna be next in my career. But man,
Speaker 5: like this is amazing right now, and I wanna I
Speaker 5: want to do it even more, even if I'm gonna
Speaker 5: make less money this year, Like I'm not freaking going poor.
Speaker 5: I have more than enough money to live off and
Speaker 5: then some. And I'm confident in myself too if you're
Speaker 5: Ben Jonson that like there should be opportunities in the future,
Speaker 5: whatever they were gonna be, and I'm gonna just do
Speaker 5: this because that gives me like a higher standard of
Speaker 5: living and like what matters more to me, that's very
Speaker 5: happiness Like that, Like imagine if they do get to
Speaker 5: the Super Bowl next year, and if they don't, like
Speaker 5: he's gonna have coordinator jobs and he's gonna have more
Speaker 5: money than anyone should possibly have in like the world
Speaker 5: for the rest of his life anyways, right.
Speaker 2: And if the Chargers would who have Justin Herbert or
Speaker 2: you know, if the Bengals and Joe Burrow there was
Speaker 2: an opening, he probably would take the jump.
Speaker 5: But maybe cowbody this Cowboys Eagles next year, like who
Speaker 5: knows what's.
Speaker 1: Going I like it.
Speaker 2: I like then Ben Johnson knows he should still be
Speaker 2: in the catbird seat next year.
Speaker 5: He should be Aaron Glenn is interviewing for that Washington job.
Speaker 5: By the way, still luck Air and Washington said they
Speaker 5: were surprised, according to Adam Schefter, so they they were
Speaker 5: not expecting.
Speaker 2: Speaking of Kellen Moore, he formerly of the Cowboys and
Speaker 2: the Chargers, is now the offensive coordinator of the Eagles,
Speaker 2: so he joins app coaching staff. Also, this happened a couple.
Speaker 1: Of days ago.
Speaker 2: Big Fangio, after a rocky one year tenure in Miami,
Speaker 2: lands in Philadelphia, so you got more and Fangio and
Speaker 2: Connie with the Eagles here. They made the decision to
Speaker 2: stick with your boy, Sirianni. And they've now surrounded him
Speaker 2: with very probably expensive and successful coordinators, So that was
Speaker 2: the move they reinforced, let's say, the foundation around Sirianni,
Speaker 2: which I kind.
Speaker 1: Of get makes sense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's almost like Sirianni is giving Brandon Staley vibes
Speaker 4: in this situation because Kellen Moore goes there.
Speaker 3: And it's like, was this sort of a forced move.
Speaker 4: On Sirianni by Howie Roseman, Jeffrey Lorie.
Speaker 1: He probably doesn't have a lot of leverage in the
Speaker 1: organization right.
Speaker 3: Now, Howie mus So.
Speaker 4: I mean, the Eagles have wanted more for a while though,
Speaker 4: Like they interviewed him to be the head coach in
Speaker 4: twenty twenty one and then went with Sirianni instead, And
Speaker 4: now that they're bringing in more, we're under Siri. That's
Speaker 4: why it just feels like this is sort of an
Speaker 4: arranged marriage and that Sirianni is on an even shorter leash.
Speaker 4: And I mean, frankly, a lot of people thought that
Speaker 4: he wasn't even gonna be in Philadelphia again, despite his record,
Speaker 4: despite going to the Super Bowl last year. I think
Speaker 4: it it's I like the move just because the with Sirianni,
Speaker 4: they never used motions or shifts and they never really
Speaker 4: mixed up the offense that way, and that's what Kellen
Speaker 4: Moore does. That's what he's good at. The knock on
Speaker 4: more is that he doesn't really run the ball, so
Speaker 4: that was sort of the issue at a lot of
Speaker 4: times last year in Philadelphia. So we'll have to see
Speaker 4: how that goes. But Moore's offenses have traditionally handled the
Speaker 4: blitz really well. That was another area that the Eagles
Speaker 4: offense were lacking in. If it goes well, though, Kellen Moore,
Speaker 4: I guess, will probably end up getting head coaching opportunities
Speaker 4: because that would mean that they would keep Siriani if
Speaker 4: things do work out and they have success. So it's
Speaker 4: just sort of an interesting play.
Speaker 1: It reminds me a ton of when they.
Speaker 5: Moved Howie to the other side of the building, because
Speaker 5: it all seems it doesn't even seem it's clearly a
Speaker 5: Jeff Loriy think. I don't even think it's rope. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's the two of them working together. They're the two
Speaker 5: most powerful guys in the in the building. But I
Speaker 5: think Jeff Lori was convinced by Siria like, we're gonna
Speaker 5: keep you, but it's not gonna be your offense anymore.
Speaker 5: We want to update and modernize, and so we want
Speaker 5: we want you to run the whole thing, but you're
Speaker 5: gonna do it with guys that are unfamiliar to because
Speaker 5: it's not his offense anymore. He is now out of
Speaker 5: his tree and he it does seem a little awkward
Speaker 5: having two great interim head coaching candidates right on the roster,
Speaker 5: But it's a proven year for Kellen Moore too. I'm
Speaker 5: sure he would have gotten a different job in this cycle.
Speaker 5: There's still a lot of coordinator jobs open, but his
Speaker 5: stock is not nearly as high. Like the Chargers were
Speaker 5: totally disappointing last year on offense. Got you know, he
Speaker 5: started like a house on fire, and that happened a
Speaker 5: lot in Dallas, where they'd start well and they finished poorly.
Speaker 5: So if that's what happened with Kellen Moore in Dallas,
Speaker 5: it's what happened with him in LA.
Speaker 1: So he's got a lot to prove too.
Speaker 6: I mean it's I have the Polder type stuff because
Speaker 6: either you're looking at him as one of the most
Speaker 6: like pressure packed new coordinators in the league based on
Speaker 6: the fact that like there's a lot of questions around
Speaker 6: everyone on that offense. But also things melted down so
Speaker 6: poorly and became such a nuclear winner as the regular
Speaker 6: season ended that like, maybe it can't get a lot worse.
Speaker 5: And they have great players, Like they still have really
Speaker 5: great players on offense, which matters.
Speaker 4: Awkward vibes there right all around it was it was
Speaker 4: an awkward end to the season and now it just
Speaker 4: feels like an awkward off season now too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the stability around Philly, as you're saying, is
Speaker 2: not great. But Kellen Moore is thinking to himself, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe this ends with me being the interim coach and
Speaker 2: maybe we've seen, as we saw in Las Vegas as
Speaker 2: an example, a recent example, I keep the job if
Speaker 2: I do well. It's another it's a backdoor way to
Speaker 2: get a job.
Speaker 5: Head coach also means that, like you started, stuff is
Speaker 5: terrible and you've got to fix all that probably in
Speaker 5: four or five weeks, and that's tough, and Kellen Moore's mind,
Speaker 5: probably the better outcome is even like Jalen hurts his
Speaker 5: back of the m VP mix, We're awesome and I'm
Speaker 5: a head coach a year right now.
Speaker 2: Or make all those guys terrible in the first month
Speaker 2: you just fired and then that's a move. That's what
Speaker 2: Antonio Pierce did. Don't don't get it twisted.
Speaker 6: That is not what I don't think takes on the
Speaker 6: coach calculated.
Speaker 5: I watched that Sirianni presser by the way, and Sirianni
Speaker 5: city next to Howie.
Speaker 1: They were just with like a gun in his ribs.
Speaker 5: He just felt very like, I'm at I'm like the
Speaker 5: kid now at the adults table, and it was just
Speaker 5: like Tony, everything down and.
Speaker 6: Kids have no responsibility and everything provided for them.
Speaker 1: So that sounds like serious.
Speaker 4: I kind of can't wait for the Combine press conferences
Speaker 4: to happen.
Speaker 1: You think they'll let him do that?
Speaker 3: Well, and then Dom will be there, big Dom.
Speaker 2: What did they do the thing where I just put
Speaker 2: him on the lap and then do the voice whose lap?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 2: You Howie, Howie he puts Sirianni on his lap?
Speaker 1: Does mem five? Well?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, but it's visually awkward to go for it.
Speaker 6: Why not adults on child's lap?
Speaker 1: Not.
Speaker 2: Let's spend through the rest of us real quick. And
Speaker 2: if you if you must share hot takes, please do uh,
Speaker 2: but but be smart about them and concise. Arthur Smith
Speaker 2: expected to be hired by the Steelers as their offensive
Speaker 2: coordinator John Harbaugh or Jim Harbaugh. Excuse me, you got
Speaker 2: to get used to that again. Who's back in the
Speaker 2: NFL At the Chargers. He brings Michigan DC Jesse Minter
Speaker 2: with him. Uh, he will be yes run their defensive
Speaker 2: Browns mark your Brown's hired Ken Dorsey as their offensive coordinator.
Speaker 2: The Bills promote Joe Brady from interim to full time
Speaker 2: OC after a successful takeover during last season. And Bobby
Speaker 2: Bobbick as Bills d C. Is that right, bobbych Rabbit
Speaker 2: and anything on those personnel moves.
Speaker 6: I don't love Arthur Smith potentially still not having a quarterback,
Speaker 6: but I do think he's probably just a better OC
Speaker 6: than head coach.
Speaker 1: In general. I think it's kind of fun.
Speaker 5: I mean, I know Martha's Smith was frustrating in Atlanta,
Speaker 5: but he's an upgrade from what's been going on. I remember,
Speaker 5: and he was fun as a coordinator in Tennessee.
Speaker 2: So great Bigger was calling for his return to Nashville.
Speaker 2: So you know, he did have a lot of success.
Speaker 5: And I thought it was telling. The ownership there in
Speaker 5: Pittsburgh was like, we're sick of losing like he was
Speaker 5: seeing that we have some urgency here. We're gonna give
Speaker 5: Tomlin a long term contract, but we have some urgency
Speaker 5: to get past what's going on.
Speaker 1: And by that I read like.
Speaker 5: We're gonna bring in They might be doing a little
Speaker 5: bit more of a Jeffrey Lurry thing where they're bringing
Speaker 5: in some people from the outside. After hearing from Tomlin
Speaker 5: over and over, it's like, we're gonna do how we're
Speaker 5: gonna do. Tomlin, I think is being made to maybe
Speaker 5: open open up the common.
Speaker 4: He worried for George Pickens because like Arthur Smith never
Speaker 4: utilized his top guys like that was always He.
Speaker 6: Did a nice job with aj Brown, though I thought, yeah,
Speaker 6: But but I caught it right, like there's some residual
Speaker 6: concern just based on something about him car crash in
Speaker 6: the press conferences where like being a head coach, it
Speaker 6: did seem too stressful for him, and maybe it all
Speaker 6: like impacted like that he fits well as a coordinator.
Speaker 2: I see that impacted his to get increasingly frustrated by
Speaker 2: the aspects of the job. Man, if you put Kirk
Speaker 2: Cousins in Pittsburgh and gave him Arthur Smith, the Steelers
Speaker 2: are cooking with grease? Would you though, Mark I poured them? Yes,
Speaker 2: why do I give you? And finally chiefs.
Speaker 1: Uh why the shot? No, I'm saying because he's you know,
Speaker 1: he's a brand. I don't need to worry about. I'm
Speaker 1: fine because well you're asking me. You trying to lead
Speaker 1: me into a man's plain hit.
Speaker 3: Why are you so defensive?
Speaker 6: Why are you yelling when the Browns can you know,
Speaker 6: hire the coordinator that was fired Josh Allen?
Speaker 1: Is this quarterback? You got to do it? Charles ameniheue?
Speaker 1: What were you saying? Nothing? I was being.
Speaker 5: Ken Dorsey, I like, is just like walk about a
Speaker 5: low octane high? But it's for Stefanski. So these these
Speaker 5: like like Babbage under Sean mcderby, What does that really matter?
Speaker 1: He's the defensive.
Speaker 6: When you hire an oc and it gets shoved into
Speaker 6: the speed round, I think it says, it says.
Speaker 1: But he's not calling the plays like Stefanski is. Greg.
Speaker 6: I do understand. I know, so I'm saying low octane higher. Yes,
Speaker 6: I do understand that he's not calling people.
Speaker 1: Do love themselves some? Jesse minter? Are we still talking about?
Speaker 1: You know? Because does anyone remember what I said no,
Speaker 1: we don't. Does anyone care about our speed anything? I
Speaker 1: don't know?
Speaker 2: All right, go ahead, Greg, let's talk about Jesse Minter now, well,
Speaker 2: because like let's get those takes that need to be
Speaker 2: out there.
Speaker 1: Go ahead. Imagine if you were a Charger change, if.
Speaker 2: I was a jetsman, I'd love to hear we played
Speaker 2: that book as well. Go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 1: You're still mad about her saying you were she she
Speaker 1: guessed let me so easily. You emotionally manipulated me. Honest,
Speaker 1: we're accused of splaining that's never.
Speaker 4: A postman and cause a little chaos, and you're the joker.
Speaker 1: You're welcome, Go ahead, great, go ahead, When last time
Speaker 1: to prepare you have to go chaos?
Speaker 5: Do you understand that the last DC that Jim Harbough
Speaker 5: found in Michigan was Mike McDonald, who we knew nothing
Speaker 5: about and came to the NFL and was the best
Speaker 5: defensive coach in the league almost immediately. And everyone says
Speaker 5: this about Minter too. So there is something about Harbor
Speaker 5: that he develops coaches very well, and he needs a
Speaker 5: good defensive coach.
Speaker 1: Well. Minter was also with the Ravens, so his brother.
Speaker 5: There's something about these Harvy's. They know what to do,
Speaker 5: so anything. What was your Dorsey comment.
Speaker 1: I don't need to go back to that place.
Speaker 6: I'm trying to with your I think your orderly and
Speaker 6: sensible request that we I'm.
Speaker 2: Just trying to get to the second part of the show,
Speaker 2: and Colleen is on a time crunch, so I'm gonna
Speaker 2: move on now.
Speaker 1: Charles and many hutre's a I'm gonna time crunch too,
Speaker 1: just to let you know.
Speaker 2: Always so you don't really have any where to go.
Speaker 1: But you're on a tig after this.
Speaker 3: It's just smoke. You just say this smoke.
Speaker 2: Here's Andy Reid, by the way, on Kadarius Tony who
Speaker 2: who said that he wasn't injured and the chiefs are
Speaker 2: lying and blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: Here's Andy Reid.
Speaker 7: You know obviously he's been on the injury reports, so
Speaker 7: I mean I got that part as uh that's not
Speaker 7: made up by any means. But he's been working through
Speaker 7: some things and he'll, uh you know, he'll be back
Speaker 7: out there.
Speaker 6: I will saying, I like, have him back out Go
Speaker 6: watch this and then go take an hour and read
Speaker 6: about like body language when people. I'm not saying that
Speaker 6: he's I think he's took our lot. He's in a
Speaker 6: sticky situation. But I always like to see where people's
Speaker 6: eyes go and they respond to questions because the upper
Speaker 6: left thing is like I'm thinking, I'm processing. Sometimes it's
Speaker 6: like I'm not telling you exactly everything I know.
Speaker 1: You know, Hindy read it.
Speaker 5: He he sort of invites this, Ki, it's true.
Speaker 1: I think you're right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like they're like they're they're like deep studies about them.
Speaker 6: I would just say the FBI and the CIA if
Speaker 6: I were.
Speaker 2: Andy read knowing what I know about what Canarisny can
Speaker 2: provide to my team this year?
Speaker 1: Go take a walk.
Speaker 2: Right, totally agree? What do you I'll see you back
Speaker 2: at practice. Bye bye. And I know he made big
Speaker 2: plays in the super Bowl last year, but this ain't
Speaker 2: last year. It's a little been a nightmare for them.
Speaker 2: But they invite that. They that is the Chiefs. It
Speaker 2: sort of gets lost in the trouble.
Speaker 5: No one brings in more what in the draft would
Speaker 5: be called character concerns than the Chiefs. Literally Umana who
Speaker 5: who tore his acl and is going to miss the
Speaker 5: super Bowl now and was a really good starter for
Speaker 5: you know it wasn't available because he was arrested for
Speaker 5: domestic battery and assault earlier this year. Like, that's the
Speaker 5: type of players that the Chiefs very often bring in
Speaker 5: and then think things come with it.
Speaker 2: And that's what's happening in the news. Real quick, it's
Speaker 2: time out to talk a little Game of the week
Speaker 2: presented by DraftKings. The game of the week is actually
Speaker 2: next week. It's the Super Bowl. Heard about it? So
Speaker 2: let's take a look at where we're at in the
Speaker 2: Desert Land on this one. The spread sitting right now
Speaker 2: at one and a half the tic tac zone, as
Speaker 2: Bill Simmons is known to say, one and a half
Speaker 2: calorie in a tiktak. It's funny over the over under
Speaker 2: is forty seven and a half.
Speaker 1: All right, Greg? When you look at.
Speaker 5: This money line, minus twenty for the Niners. And I've
Speaker 5: listened to a lot of Simmons over the year, for
Speaker 5: one's heard that minus one twenty for them.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, if you were to pick one of these
Speaker 2: props game props, what would you go with?
Speaker 1: Give me all the pacheckos.
Speaker 5: Sixty eight and a half rushing yards more, sixteen and
Speaker 5: a half rushing attempts more, nineteen and a half total
Speaker 5: receiving rushing yards. More, how about Pacheco plus three thousand
Speaker 5: for MVP. I'm just saying, like, if you think the
Speaker 5: Chiefs are gonna win, can't you imagine this forty nine
Speaker 5: Ers defense which has been bad week after week after week,
Speaker 5: stopping the run that like they give up like two
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Speaker 2: All right, let's uh take a break, and when we
Speaker 2: get back, PEP talks for those who need them, some
Speaker 2: hard conversations. Oh no, difficult ones, all right, welcome back.
Speaker 1: Uh, I just got another prompt for security.
Speaker 6: I've learned how to navigate around it.
Speaker 1: This tel me help me.
Speaker 5: Well, okay, after this show later on, I think you
Speaker 5: need to handle this and just bite the bullet.
Speaker 2: I tried it already. Connected this that you might I'm
Speaker 2: gonna have to go. I did that too empty.
Speaker 6: I'd bring the issue to Las Vegas with you and
Speaker 6: see if maneuver around it. But you said you have
Speaker 6: a workaround. That's good in the moment. Yeah, but it's not.
Speaker 6: It's not content for the show. Do you want to
Speaker 6: go on a trip together hand in hand to it afterwards?
Speaker 1: I don't time. What's going on? I don't know. I
Speaker 1: have someone else. I'll come in and win. You know,
Speaker 1: it's the dead zone before the show. What do you
Speaker 1: have going on after the show? Got to pack schedule,
Speaker 1: come up with.
Speaker 3: Something just so much?
Speaker 1: I can't even that's a doctor. All right, here we go.
Speaker 1: Let's get to it. Not all wrong.
Speaker 2: PEP talks for those who need them. Colleen, you are
Speaker 2: in therapy yourself as you are. You've shared with the show.
Speaker 2: It is perfectly healthy for the mind and body. So uh,
Speaker 2: don't connected now. What you can do now, what you
Speaker 2: can do is take what you've learned in that realm. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and use that on someone in the NFL who could
Speaker 2: use it.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, go ahead, all right, Well, you know I
Speaker 4: don't I don't love having tough conversations.
Speaker 3: This is not my favorite thing to do.
Speaker 4: I avoid conflict at every possible turn.
Speaker 3: But eventually, oh.
Speaker 1: Though it was kind of nice what you did with
Speaker 1: Dana liter earlier.
Speaker 4: I just done right exactly. But there comes a point where,
Speaker 4: like the bill comes due, and you have to face
Speaker 4: these things you have to in order to get through something.
Speaker 4: You need to go straight through and process it. There's
Speaker 4: no way you can get around it. And when you
Speaker 4: have a long history with someone or something, that makes
Speaker 4: it really difficult because a lot of times being familiar
Speaker 4: and having a habit, like it's something that you go
Speaker 4: back to doing all the time, but that doesn't necessarily
Speaker 4: mean that it's good for you or it's positive.
Speaker 3: It's just familiar.
Speaker 4: So a lot of times you have to break the
Speaker 4: cycle and you have to break that and I just,
Speaker 4: you know, I don't love change, but change is necessary
Speaker 4: for growth.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm in the office with you and
Speaker 1: Suzanne right now.
Speaker 3: I feel like I should have been a psychologists, whatever.
Speaker 4: So I really do appreciate the time that I had
Speaker 4: with this thing, but now it's time to move on
Speaker 4: and we need to stop using Roman numerals.
Speaker 1: Oh I love this.
Speaker 4: I'm so done with Roman numerals. I learned them in
Speaker 4: grade school and I never needed them again until I
Speaker 4: started working at the NFL, and it would just be
Speaker 4: random bits of copy that I wouldn't know were coming,
Speaker 4: and a producer would hand me a piece of paper
Speaker 4: or just say read the prompter, or it's in the script,
Speaker 4: just read it, and which I hate because I don't
Speaker 4: like to just read something cold that someone else wrote
Speaker 4: that I don't know what I'm saying. That's not my vibe,
Speaker 4: that's not what I do. I don't ever have someone
Speaker 4: else write stuff for me. I write all my own stuff.
Speaker 4: And I would never use a Roman numeral for someone
Speaker 4: that's reading something.
Speaker 3: Cold live on the air.
Speaker 4: When was the last time that you guys even used
Speaker 4: a Roman numeral? Like, we're not using Latin, like there's
Speaker 4: no other Like if you're listening to a football game,
Speaker 4: it's not like they would speak Latin for the penalties.
Speaker 5: Like in high school? What why big waste? Exactly an
Speaker 5: easy grade.
Speaker 3: The Roman numerals need to stop.
Speaker 4: And I thought Super Bowl fifty was going to be
Speaker 4: the turning point because it was the first time that
Speaker 4: they didn't use a Roman numeral for the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4: And sure it looks nice with like you know when
Speaker 4: you're using a lot of x's and v's and i's,
Speaker 4: but you know, there just comes a time to move on,
Speaker 4: and I think that time is now and we need
Speaker 4: to drop the Roman numerals from society.
Speaker 6: Wow, I think it's you know, it's marketing gold because
Speaker 6: it got back when it was like xx and like
Speaker 6: even a child's like super Bowl twenty. But now where
Speaker 6: it's like my mind is scrambled. We aren't a Roman culture.
Speaker 1: We're not HARKing back to something that came from deep like.
Speaker 2: Our origins are in some way, especially the idea of
Speaker 2: the the arena and the gladiators of the sport.
Speaker 6: That's fair, but like i'd say, like are called sure
Speaker 6: comes from every culture at this point. So they're like
Speaker 6: we're melting pot if such a nod to rome, like
Speaker 6: oh my thing is bigger, like when it got to
Speaker 6: fifty and you're making you fifty six or fifty eight
Speaker 6: or then I'm trying to remember what Super Bowl it
Speaker 6: was like, I literally can't remember the Super Bowl from
Speaker 6: four years ago because it's been put through a Roman
Speaker 6: number machine.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm with you.
Speaker 4: No, it shouldn't have an L in it, like L
Speaker 4: is for loss, so I don't like, say on.
Speaker 5: The lower third this week, it's also for love. On
Speaker 5: NFL network, they used the number on a graphic. It
Speaker 5: was like during they did one of the shows during
Speaker 5: the day, maybe it was Insiders, and I was like,
Speaker 5: maybe this maybe they're starting to hear you because I'm
Speaker 5: with you.
Speaker 1: This needs to change.
Speaker 5: It was a marketing gimmick when NFL was not popular
Speaker 5: at all and it was going to be this big
Speaker 5: thing AFL versus NFL, and no one cared.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: People watch that a little bit on TV, like literally
Speaker 5: no one even showed up for the game, and they're
Speaker 5: just trying to get some some pop into it.
Speaker 1: Make it a gladiator. They played it in the coll
Speaker 1: see him.
Speaker 5: I think that was all connected, and so they put
Speaker 5: the one and now forget.
Speaker 1: It any research. There are just connecting docs.
Speaker 5: I like, oh, I've read this is from America's game.
Speaker 5: Michael McCambridge.
Speaker 2: Yes, what I'm saying, is that where the Roman u
Speaker 2: erals because they played at the coliseum.
Speaker 5: That I don't know, but it would make sense the
Speaker 5: more that they're like, they were trying to pump it
Speaker 5: up into this big thing because people weren't really into
Speaker 5: the AFL. People weren't that into professional football, but they
Speaker 5: definitely weren't into the and there was this new thing,
Speaker 5: and everyone thought, well, who cares about this game? The
Speaker 5: NFL championship already happened. They sort of saw this as
Speaker 5: like a preseason game that's being played after, you know,
Speaker 5: and so they gave it a little more half.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if that which is why, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what happened in Super Bowl three with name it was
Speaker 1: so important because when the AFL beat the NFL, it
Speaker 1: legitimized that league and then they came together. Now that's it.
Speaker 2: I think I've probably done a similar monologue on the show.
Speaker 1: I kind of hazily remember it years ago.
Speaker 2: But now about banning Roman numerals, But now I'm back
Speaker 2: on the other side.
Speaker 1: I think it's tradition and uh, and here's and here's
Speaker 1: the other thing. Here's the other thing.
Speaker 2: We had the chance, as we pointed out, they went
Speaker 2: with the number fifty for San Francisco, and that was
Speaker 2: a huge to do. The celebration around the fiftieth anniversary.
Speaker 2: The year after that and the next few years after
Speaker 2: that were horrendous orderline embarrassing to use.
Speaker 1: L one L I L. I just looked to the eye.
Speaker 2: If they did, if they had the chance to move,
Speaker 2: and they didn't, guess what, We're not going to get
Speaker 2: one hundred until. I mean, we're not going to get
Speaker 2: the number back until one hundred, and we're even gonna
Speaker 2: be alive that the next time you see one hundred
Speaker 2: a number next to a super Bowl the figure that
Speaker 2: is probably when it's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: I will say unlikely would be the answer, but possibly
Speaker 1: the other. In professional wrestling, WrestleMania almost.
Speaker 2: Certainly took it after the Super Bowl, and they used
Speaker 2: Roman number numerals up to thirty before they decided it
Speaker 2: doesn't really work anymore.
Speaker 6: So, especially wrestling fans don't operate in that mode. Mentally,
Speaker 6: i'd say, why do you say that? I don't know
Speaker 6: why I said.
Speaker 2: That, But in general, whenever you can follow the path
Speaker 2: of Vince McMahon, you do. And I think we could
Speaker 2: all agree in terms of a intellectual and moral compass.
Speaker 6: So was that a point counterpoint? Like was that also
Speaker 6: your presentation? Oh yeah, but yours is. I get what
Speaker 6: you're saying. That was a tough talk. But who was
Speaker 6: it to is the marketing arm of the league or what?
Speaker 6: Or to Roman numerals himself?
Speaker 1: Like who was your he's questioning your understanding.
Speaker 4: That No, not at all, it's just like who was
Speaker 4: it directly to the Roman numerals?
Speaker 3: It's time.
Speaker 4: Well that's confusing, but like you served your purpose and
Speaker 4: you're really nice.
Speaker 2: It would be funny to watch it kind of turning
Speaker 2: around and sadly walking away like fifty eight el elf
Speaker 2: Bury one one. I I like, just walking away, sulking
Speaker 2: into the around the bend, never to be seen again,
Speaker 2: and then all proud like fifty eighth number walks in
Speaker 2: and takes a spot like, well, she brought it up.
Speaker 2: She turned it into talking to the actual numerals, So
Speaker 2: we're gonna humanize them now.
Speaker 1: I can't stop, all right? Uh? Can I talk since
Speaker 1: we brought out? Okay, I talk to Bill? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you need to.
Speaker 2: Which is weird that I'm even doing this because obviously
Speaker 2: I have a complicated relationship with the men personally in
Speaker 2: terms of my fandom and the history and everything around
Speaker 2: the Patriots, and but I feel like this guy needs
Speaker 2: and needs a little pick me up because bub you're
Speaker 2: a legend. I think somebody needs to tell them that
Speaker 2: right now. I feel like, you know, Linda's not even
Speaker 2: around to tell them. I don't know if I think.
Speaker 5: I think, if you listen to, maybe demanding to take
Speaker 5: over the entire Falcons organization is a sign he's still
Speaker 5: feeling that way.
Speaker 2: Well, we don't know that. Again, we don't know the
Speaker 2: details of the conversation. I kind of wish, well, I'll
Speaker 2: get to that. There's a lot of conjecture around and
Speaker 2: discourse around. You're right now, Bill, and everybody says you're
Speaker 2: too old, and you're too power hungry, and you're you're
Speaker 2: yesterday's news. And I just want you to know that you're.
Speaker 1: The best man. You're the best, there is, the best,
Speaker 1: there was, the best there ever will be.
Speaker 2: You know, you're him that the kids say you're goaded like,
Speaker 2: don't let like people like Greg tell you you're not
Speaker 2: great anymore, and you're and you don't deserve to be
Speaker 2: in power anymore or to build a team again, because
Speaker 2: all I know update device one moment.
Speaker 4: The same, don't do the Julian Edelman to Tom Brady
Speaker 4: motivation that you're you're too old and.
Speaker 9: Yeah no, like you got eleven super Bowls, bub you
Speaker 9: got eight titles, six as a head coach. The idea
Speaker 9: of you, Bill wasting your another year of your prime
Speaker 9: and you are in your prime, baby fake laughing with
Speaker 9: JB and Howie while Terry bumbles yet another read on
Speaker 9: the teleprompter. It's beneath you. It's uncouth.
Speaker 2: It was like, Oh, Bill's fine, He'll go to the
Speaker 2: Fox and sit on the dais Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick? Like, that's what we're cool with. He would
Speaker 1: he would make his own role. He would make his.
Speaker 3: Own What if they put him in a booth with
Speaker 3: Brady though, that.
Speaker 1: Would be fun. I would be okay with that. It's
Speaker 1: beneath you.
Speaker 2: And it's strange to say this, but I really do
Speaker 2: think Bill Belichick in a in a weird way as
Speaker 2: being blackballed right now.
Speaker 1: And I want to know why. I want to know why, Greg.
Speaker 2: I want to know why because it feels like like
Speaker 2: Barry Bonds is his last year in baseball he had
Speaker 2: a four to eighty on base percentage, hit close to
Speaker 2: thirty home runs, couldn't get a job. That guy was
Speaker 2: a cheater. You're not a cheat, all right, No, forget
Speaker 2: about that. Maybe it's because you're not a GQ model
Speaker 2: like Dave Knalas like, maybe that's what it's about. Maybe
Speaker 2: there are people out there that are saying that you're
Speaker 2: both frumpy and grumpy, which is a terrible thing to say,
Speaker 2: but it's out there in the discourse, and the fact
Speaker 2: that you don't fit the mold of the modern head coach,
Speaker 2: as if having high cheek bones and a chisel jawline
Speaker 2: helps you, you know, do January kneel downs after W's
Speaker 2: with confetti raining down?
Speaker 1: Doesn't it help it all? I can tell you them
Speaker 1: personally that it helps, but don't let them. Don't let
Speaker 1: them do it? Why because it Stefanski.
Speaker 6: Or I was suggesting that I had high cheekbones. That's
Speaker 6: obviously enough.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, you don't fit the prototype of the quote
Speaker 2: modern head coach.
Speaker 1: Whatever, But is that Bill? Is there anything else you'd
Speaker 1: like to share? Did you watch the game on Monday? Yes?
Speaker 2: I saw both games and they actually were on Sunday
Speaker 2: and Bill, this is the type of stuff we got
Speaker 2: to keep under our hat a little bit, just because
Speaker 2: people are asking questions about your age. Just you know,
Speaker 2: let's play this the right way. Bill, play this right
Speaker 2: way and understand that you are loved and appreciated, and
Speaker 2: don't let the discourse get you down.
Speaker 1: That's it. I think he needs that right now. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think he's getting beat up a little.
Speaker 6: Bit, but well timed talk, because he could be at
Speaker 6: the point where, no matter what he's accomplished or any
Speaker 6: what anyone's told him and what he's read about himself,
Speaker 6: that there could be a little bit of a imposter
Speaker 6: syndrome setting. You're a little bit old, you're staring out windows,
Speaker 6: the phone's not ringing. Everyone thought you were a home
Speaker 6: run for this job. You get passed over for someone
Speaker 6: you know, thirty years younger.
Speaker 1: Everybody wants to stick them in the nursing home.
Speaker 2: Like he's junior soprano, Like you're not corrato, like you
Speaker 2: still have something to give. And then people pile on
Speaker 2: by saying he's money, he's power hungry, and of course
Speaker 2: you pass on a minute's power hungry because he didn't
Speaker 2: make mac Jones a champion. It's like, give him a chance,
Speaker 2: give him one more chance. I want to see him
Speaker 2: coach again.
Speaker 3: Then maybe he can finally experience success.
Speaker 1: Right. I told you it's conflicting for me. I don't
Speaker 1: need you know.
Speaker 5: I want to see him coach again. I think he
Speaker 5: could do a great job. When I watched him this year.
Speaker 5: I love Belichick. I've read all the books about him,
Speaker 5: Like I consider myself like a Belichick a file, like
Speaker 5: he's my guy even more than Brady was during that
Speaker 5: during that run, I really saw a coach this year.
Speaker 5: I think that knew exactly where he is in history,
Speaker 5: was fine with it. Wasn't enjoying what was going on there,
Speaker 5: but absolutely was able to celebrate where his place in
Speaker 5: the history of the game is and who he is
Speaker 5: as a patriot, all this stuff. And I think he's
Speaker 5: very comfortable with himself, and maybe he couldn't see in
Speaker 5: this cycle a vision of like him not running everything.
Speaker 5: And I totally understand why owner owners would he hesitant
Speaker 5: to do that. It's like same thing like no one
Speaker 5: hired Tom Landry after Dallas after the Cowboys. You think
Speaker 5: you don't think he was like a better coach than
Speaker 5: some of the people that but like, no, he was
Speaker 5: Tom Landry and he was going to take everything that
Speaker 5: Tom Landry was with him. And a year away from
Speaker 5: the game, I think might be great for Bill Belichick
Speaker 5: the coach, Like even if he wants to come back
Speaker 5: and coach next year, being able to look at the
Speaker 5: whole league and take.
Speaker 1: A step back.
Speaker 5: He's such a football genius that this I think could
Speaker 5: give him like a different perspective. Whether he wants to
Speaker 5: do a little bit of TV or not, We'll see.
Speaker 5: He'll make that into his own sort of Belichi, what
Speaker 5: changes one year from now?
Speaker 2: If you're saying part of the issue why people might
Speaker 2: not want him is because he wants to do it
Speaker 2: his own way. Is he not a year from now,
Speaker 2: after a year the game going to say I don't
Speaker 2: need to moderation.
Speaker 5: Maybe maybe just the right option comes up and people
Speaker 5: are a year removed, or maybe he changes or he
Speaker 5: has different ideas of what he would do, or maybe
Speaker 5: he takes away some of the requirements, like in terms
Speaker 5: of control and everything.
Speaker 1: Because I'm with you, it would be fun to see him, to.
Speaker 2: Hear from him cry again, I really would love to
Speaker 2: hear from him if there was someone in the media
Speaker 2: that he trusted and just a or if he did
Speaker 2: a press conference. I know this isn't his style, but
Speaker 2: I just feel like there's so many things being affixed
Speaker 2: to him, what he wants and what he demands, and
Speaker 2: we don't really know anything.
Speaker 5: CBS Sports Jonathan Jones said several sources expect Belichip to
Speaker 5: take a job in television, which would indicate there's probably
Speaker 5: been some back door talking. And one quote this really
Speaker 5: made left. Every network would want him. He would revolutionize
Speaker 5: media with the way he prepares. I mean, okay, that's
Speaker 5: what But he was great with Tariko before the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5: That's the role I could see him in these little
Speaker 5: parts where he just sort of does a Belichick telestrator.
Speaker 1: He's Sunday, He's not.
Speaker 5: City on the tell, but even maybe he does one
Speaker 5: Sunday but it's just a Belichick's segment.
Speaker 1: He was a.
Speaker 4: Totally different person than I have ever seen in NFL atmospheres.
Speaker 4: When he was on College Game Day on ESPN this year,
Speaker 4: on the set, I didn't I was like, is this
Speaker 4: his twin brother? Who is this person that is sitting
Speaker 4: up there in Bill Belichick's body. He was smiling, he
Speaker 4: was laughing, he was making jokes. He was all in
Speaker 4: like he was. They were giving him stuff to do
Speaker 4: and he was buying in. He was yes, anding everything
Speaker 4: like he was. He looked like he was happy and
Speaker 4: he was in his element doing that. Now, maybe he's
Speaker 4: happy when he's on the sidelines in New England when
Speaker 4: it doesn't look like it, maybe he's happy on the inside.
Speaker 4: But this really looked like he was glowing in that role.
Speaker 4: And I liked that for him. I liked I liked
Speaker 4: him there like it just seemed.
Speaker 1: Right for him.
Speaker 5: Brady and Belichick and the Fox both together, right, that'd
Speaker 5: be awesome.
Speaker 1: Probably maybe it wouldn't be, but it'd be fun. You
Speaker 1: would have to watch who's the play by play guy
Speaker 1: you put with him. Let's just let's put it together
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 6: Well, Al, we should not be demoted on any level.
Speaker 2: But give me this old, this old krusty booth of
Speaker 2: Al Belichick and Brady.
Speaker 1: Let's go give me a couple of years, because this
Speaker 1: is only a year.
Speaker 2: By the way, this is he's I think he's going
Speaker 2: back into coaching eventually, I think.
Speaker 4: But but in the booth too, like that, I think
Speaker 4: that that role seeing him in that role would be
Speaker 4: so interesting because a lot of people haven't even seen
Speaker 4: him in like the happy I'm relaxed, I'm here to
Speaker 4: just hang out and talk about football, and I love
Speaker 4: it role, let alone calling a game role.
Speaker 6: I mean we get right back into the world of
Speaker 6: like which one or the other is lifting each other
Speaker 6: up and making them look better in front of the
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 1: If that's true. I can't really work together.
Speaker 2: I do like the the the old Travolta movie Wild
Speaker 2: Hogs vibe of putting Al, Tom and Bill in the
Speaker 2: booth and be like, Hey, everyone thinks you're done all three.
Speaker 1: Al, you're washed.
Speaker 2: Bill, You're you have no personality, and nobody likes you.
Speaker 2: Tom like you. You're not cut out for this. You
Speaker 2: you don't deserve a number.
Speaker 1: One year off You're you're no Greg Olson.
Speaker 2: And you're no Gregil And then letting them revolutionize the
Speaker 2: sport or the broadcasting business.
Speaker 1: All right, Greg wild Hogum.
Speaker 5: All right, we probably only have so much time, right
Speaker 5: We're doing this once? Yeah, one time around, Okay, because
Speaker 5: I've been starting to prep for a.
Speaker 1: Free agency list the off season stuff.
Speaker 3: You're right now during.
Speaker 5: The show, No getting up a drinking some egg yolks hardly,
Speaker 5: but I started to, you know, tinker with the list,
Speaker 5: and there's some around tires.
Speaker 1: There's some big tire.
Speaker 5: There's some big names out there that I think are
Speaker 5: going to get to this free agency period and they're
Speaker 5: going to be like a little disappointed. Guys like a
Speaker 5: Chase Young or an Austin Ecklor Devin White, guys who
Speaker 5: thought maybe going into this they were going to change
Speaker 5: their life with these big time contracts and they get
Speaker 5: there and it's a little disappointing. But I'm going to
Speaker 5: have the hardest talk with a free agent who's facing
Speaker 5: a different challenge. And it's really for the teams that
Speaker 5: are out there circling this free agent, and it's it's
Speaker 5: a little bit for you too, Dan, And it's for
Speaker 5: everyone that's getting ready to give Kirk Cousins one hundred
Speaker 5: million dollars guaranteed over for two years because I think
Speaker 5: he'll get that money and it and it's a little
Speaker 5: for Kirk too, because Kirk, the history of thirty six
Speaker 5: year old quarterbacks coming off a torn achilles tear expected
Speaker 5: to save a franchise, you know, is doesn't exist. It's
Speaker 5: a little for Aaron Rodgers too, the history of forty
Speaker 5: year old quarterbacks coming back from an achilles tear and
Speaker 5: expected to raise a franchise. But he's different, doesn't exist.
Speaker 5: It's different, Kirk like you. We've watched you on this show.
Speaker 5: The ups, the downs, and what I always remember with
Speaker 5: with Chris always a supporter of Kirk, and he was right.
Speaker 1: I think for about we were the kissing Cousin.
Speaker 5: For six games every season, pretty and I remember this
Speaker 5: as a qb INEX writer. For six games every season,
Speaker 5: he is like the fifth best quarterback.
Speaker 1: In the entire league. He's elite.
Speaker 5: And then other things happen. There's ups, there's downs, and
Speaker 5: I know Kirk was improving. It was in this system
Speaker 5: for Minnesota. Kirk Cousins, like you tore your achilles right
Speaker 5: at the pick of peak of those six games, and
Speaker 5: that's all anyone remembers. No one really remembers the ten
Speaker 5: years before that. There were there was ups, there were
Speaker 5: downs where you were very good. You were a better
Speaker 5: than average starting quarterback without a doubt, but you weren't
Speaker 5: like MVP conversation Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1: The whole time.
Speaker 5: You were that for about a month every year, and
Speaker 5: you never knew when that month was gonna come, but
Speaker 5: it usually didn't last. Now you're thirty six years old
Speaker 5: and you're coming off a torn achilles. That to me
Speaker 5: is a massive red flag in the sense that if
Speaker 5: a rookie was coming in with a torn achilles, imagine
Speaker 5: how that would affect their draft stock. And yet teams
Speaker 5: aren't going to care. They're gonna watch those last six
Speaker 5: games of the season, see how excellent it was. Maybe
Speaker 5: it's gonna be Minnesota. And because quarterbacks are so underpaid,
Speaker 5: I believe like the value of Patrick Mahomes in a
Speaker 5: in a free market would be five hundred million dollars
Speaker 5: or something like that. Something bonkers that we can't even
Speaker 5: imagine that Kirk is going to get all this money,
Speaker 5: because it's very rare that these quarterbacks are actually available.
Speaker 5: But I think you got to have a hard conversation
Speaker 5: with yourself, Kirk, of who you're going to be coming
Speaker 5: back and teams who you expect him to be when
Speaker 5: he comes back before you pay him more money. And
Speaker 5: he's probably gonna cost more money than justin Herbert and
Speaker 5: all these guys on a year to year base.
Speaker 6: So you're not suggesting that Cousins pull back the reins
Speaker 6: and say, I don't need as much.
Speaker 1: Now takewa you hear talking, What are you going to
Speaker 1: do talking to the team. Yes, But just like the talcons.
Speaker 5: Don't necessarily believe that you're gonna come in and you're
Speaker 5: gonna be at that level that you were at before.
Speaker 1: There's nothing he can do.
Speaker 6: He doesn't strike me as someone like, you know, drenched
Speaker 6: in hubris to begin now like.
Speaker 5: But expectation wise, I just feel like everyone saying, Okay,
Speaker 5: let's slot in Kirk Cousins, and he's that guy when
Speaker 5: he's either joining a new team or he's.
Speaker 1: Coming off a torn achilles. It's just a lot to ask.
Speaker 2: Yeah, new team or maybe not new team, new offense,
Speaker 2: new expectations, all that stuff. But he, you know, he's
Speaker 2: no stranger to being doubted himself, whether it was in
Speaker 2: Washington or Minnesota going into this year, you know, Minnesota
Speaker 2: actively letting it be known that we're not looking to
Speaker 2: do more business with you, and then he went out
Speaker 2: and was playing maybe the best ball of his career
Speaker 2: before the injury. I think he's a little different than
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers because he is, you know, four or five
Speaker 2: years younger, even Testa Verdi or had an achilles came back,
Speaker 2: wasn't the same he was I think thirty seven or
Speaker 2: thirty eight by that point. He's not a guy that's
Speaker 2: known for being an explosive athlete to start with. He's,
Speaker 2: you know, part of a dying breed, almost of a
Speaker 2: pocket passer. So I think you have things working to
Speaker 2: his advantage. Now, would it be an overpay if he's
Speaker 2: a slightly lesser version of what he was previously, Yes,
Speaker 2: but what he instantly, in my mind, still brings stability.
Speaker 1: To your quarterback position.
Speaker 2: Also, yes, it's yeah, there's some buyer beware, but I
Speaker 2: would live with it if I were a team that
Speaker 2: if I had Kenny Pickett and Mitch Trubisky, uh and
Speaker 2: Mason Rudolph in house to use that Steelers example again,
Speaker 2: or Desmond Ritter or Sam Howe, like like a.
Speaker 6: Two year deal we're talking about here, you're not signing
Speaker 6: away like the rest of time.
Speaker 2: I guess it would depend on what his market is.
Speaker 2: But yeah, two three year deal, I'd still do it.
Speaker 1: I guess that is what I'm saying. But there's absolutely
Speaker 1: a chance that.
Speaker 6: I could be One thing I like about what you
Speaker 6: said though it's like the teams are just glued watching
Speaker 6: his tape, his high at the high end of his
Speaker 6: tape from last season.
Speaker 1: It's like his health is a complete unknown.
Speaker 2: Like your pept know that your pep talk could also
Speaker 2: equally and maybe more appropriately be directed at these teams.
Speaker 1: Anything really is where I would be.
Speaker 2: But that's but Kirk's He'll be a little bit confused
Speaker 2: when you're saying to him at the same time to
Speaker 2: be like Greg, they're all good points.
Speaker 1: What do you want like me to do? I'm not
Speaker 1: sure I have played the colleagden artists. I've played the
Speaker 1: colleat and role of not really understanding the assignment.
Speaker 2: But it's it's good, it's interesting. So he's an unre
Speaker 2: strictly free agent. He is Is he number one? He's
Speaker 2: not going to be number one.
Speaker 1: It's a quarterback.
Speaker 2: I would think I would have built in and if
Speaker 2: the value like in terms of I.
Speaker 5: Have a hard time with Chris, Joe, Josh, there's there's
Speaker 5: a I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess I haven't.
Speaker 5: Fully discied dout not till February. When's the last time
Speaker 5: Chris Jones is in the mix. Josh Allen from the
Speaker 5: Jaguars is in the mix. Kirk's obviously in the mix.
Speaker 1: But if Cousins is Cousins, he's, well, I don't.
Speaker 2: Know, injury her Cousins was playing at a top what
Speaker 2: eight level as a quarterback and now he's a free
Speaker 2: agent injury.
Speaker 1: Wait, who's the last time there was a big name
Speaker 1: veteran quarterback. That's what I was. I was looking for Cousins.
Speaker 1: That was the last time it's happened or something good.
Speaker 5: I think he was number one, like on the list
Speaker 5: that actually gets put out when free agency starts. Usually
Speaker 5: there's this first list where it's like Lamar Jackson was
Speaker 5: number one last year because he technically was.
Speaker 2: What about the pretenders that put out a similar list?
Speaker 2: Where are they put in Kirk?
Speaker 1: Right now?
Speaker 3: We don't talk about them.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 5: My process is I do not look at those, and
Speaker 5: I do look at them the minute I have my list,
Speaker 5: and then I think, oh, okay, that's interesting that I
Speaker 5: miss anyone, But I do not want to look until.
Speaker 1: I have it all right, Mark close it out for us.
Speaker 6: I did not misunderstand the assignment, but I took it
Speaker 6: less as a pep talk.
Speaker 1: And more as a warning to yourself.
Speaker 6: And it's not based on the fan base of this team,
Speaker 6: who I think have been through hell. They've seen their
Speaker 6: team relocated, they have been let down a year after year,
Speaker 6: They've been overly pumped up as a team that's going
Speaker 6: to go to the super Bowl almost every summer, and
Speaker 6: they find a way to undress it.
Speaker 1: Well, we've all done it. Everyone's guilty of it.
Speaker 6: This is directed at the team that I find already
Speaker 6: to be on my radar.
Speaker 1: It is the Chargers.
Speaker 6: You hire Jim Harbaugh, great job, great move, way to
Speaker 6: regalvanize your marketing, everything else. But the attitude around some
Speaker 6: of what I'm seeing has me a little annoyed, and
Speaker 6: I think it has to the fans. I wish the
Speaker 6: fans all the good, so don't confuse that. That's all
Speaker 6: i'd say to the team and to the people messaging
Speaker 6: what this off season means, because we go through this
Speaker 6: with one or two teams every off season and it
Speaker 6: usually ends in total wreckage. I would say this, Chargers,
Speaker 6: don't over celebrate. Okay, took a couple bullet points here.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 6: Don't caress yourselves and put special oils on your forehead
Speaker 6: just yet. Settle down your social media team. Stop naming
Speaker 6: pets after Jim Harbaugh. Go stark and spartan and dark
Speaker 6: and work in the shadows. Become pure evil. Take out
Speaker 6: the enemy with a complete lack of mercy and restraint.
Speaker 6: Destroy houses and townships. Don't even view children as vulnerable.
Speaker 6: Animals are your enemy too. Rip roads and highways to shreds.
Speaker 6: Pull fruit off fruit trees and burn it in stinking piles.
Speaker 1: Destroy books and films.
Speaker 6: Celebrating anything in your way, less self celebratory tweeting, and
Speaker 6: twenty twenty three, before you've accomplished a single particle of good,
Speaker 6: before you tell us how great it all is in essence,
Speaker 6: be everything the Chargers have never been, or leave.
Speaker 1: Us be go do it? Do you have a kid?
Speaker 1: Kill kids in there?
Speaker 6: I said, don't assume the kids are vulnerable or innocence, something.
Speaker 3: Like why the fruit trees?
Speaker 1: What wreckage anything in your way?
Speaker 6: Enough with telling us now on Twitter that everything's perfect
Speaker 6: Like you these teams. I get what they're doing, and
Speaker 6: it's mostly for children or gullibles, but like, settle down
Speaker 6: with yourselves, go start five and oh and we down
Speaker 6: Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1: And we also push that out to.
Speaker 2: People who celebrate the Chargers a lot and just be like,
Speaker 2: do we have to hear it again now this summer?
Speaker 3: Yes, to celebrate though, but.
Speaker 1: This is like Jets Aaron Rodgers heart k but this
Speaker 1: year is different, right?
Speaker 6: But this to me was a targeted attack, an isolated
Speaker 6: attack on the team itself. And then I hope the
Speaker 6: media would understand to take on tell.
Speaker 1: You why it will not.
Speaker 5: My takeaway here is Mark needs to mute the Chargers
Speaker 5: account for our mental health.
Speaker 2: Yes, so I'll tell you why it's different than instance,
Speaker 2: the Jets had hard knocks Greg because nobody was pumping
Speaker 2: up that team before Rogers got there. We've been hearing
Speaker 2: the Chargers get pumped up for years and years for
Speaker 2: different reasons.
Speaker 5: App the Chargers like making their little av I Harbaugh
Speaker 5: and doing funny little Harbor videos.
Speaker 6: I don't even think Jim Harbaugh would like that or
Speaker 6: really want that.
Speaker 1: Harbor doesn't even know the Internet, and I think I know.
Speaker 1: But his thing isn't let's come and anoint me and
Speaker 1: put it on your overall game.
Speaker 5: He kind of is like he went on CBS and
Speaker 5: he was like, I was starstruck meeting Justin Herbert. He
Speaker 5: is kind of like a hype creator. Not on purpose,
Speaker 5: but he just naturally.
Speaker 1: That guy let.
Speaker 6: Him do it without telling us that he's already done it.
Speaker 6: But I don't need to hear that. You're starstruck by
Speaker 6: Justin Herbert. Just make him a star.
Speaker 3: Are they going to be on hard knocks?
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, well wait, new coach though new coach.
Speaker 6: I thought that they Yeah, but they can't they kill that. No,
Speaker 6: they didn't kill it, but a team can volunteer. It
Speaker 6: suggests they will at this point.
Speaker 2: They probably, But you're saying you don't want them to
Speaker 2: that this is that would be a perfect example of
Speaker 2: don't go on.
Speaker 6: Hard I actually would want that time about the act.
Speaker 6: That's a whole separate thing. But that would be a spicy,
Speaker 6: juicy access. We're going to manifest it, all right.
Speaker 1: I like it burning the fruit. I liked killing the kids,
Speaker 1: not as I didn't say kill kids. I said the text.
Speaker 6: Don't even view children, destroy houses and townships. Don't even
Speaker 6: view children as vulnerable. Don't be fooled by a child?
Speaker 2: Are they saying I destroy everything, including children who don't
Speaker 2: view them as don't they assume vulnerable?
Speaker 1: Right? They may be in your way. They may fool you.
Speaker 1: I'm glad that they may lure this.
Speaker 2: If I was a little confused, there's probably other people
Speaker 2: that'd be like, what about kids?
Speaker 1: Well, but now now you've clarified that.
Speaker 6: Even so, I'm not saying you shouldn't view children as vulnerable.
Speaker 6: The Chargers should not. That's also it was. It's not
Speaker 6: a societal message.
Speaker 1: What about Phil Rivers's children. There's that's an army. It's
Speaker 1: not attached to the it's not attached to the organization.
Speaker 1: At this point, well, he's like.
Speaker 6: A member of their Ring of Honor, and then it
Speaker 6: applies to his children if you're the Chargers, not Philip Rivers.
Speaker 6: All right, they're not above suspicion, trust no one. They're
Speaker 6: not above suspicion. Right, Not totally clear, but I'm with you,
Speaker 6: says dog. Thank you mostly got another updated. All right,
Speaker 6: here's here's the situation.
Speaker 2: By the way, voting closed on that award over overseas
Speaker 2: and they're announcing a winner on Thursday.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, did you guys vote for yourselves or no?
Speaker 5: No, of course not no. Get to give them an email, uncouth.
Speaker 5: It is one of those things.
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you this, Mark, I know you're resolute
Speaker 2: as a person, stand by it. If we do not
Speaker 2: win that award, you will not have Dan and Mark
Speaker 2: on the show. And those that want a solo Greg
Speaker 2: around the NFL, they're.
Speaker 1: Gonna get it. You're gonna get it. So well.
Speaker 2: The only problem, well know, by right, I'm being in
Speaker 2: real time. What we we made it clear last week.
Speaker 2: We said, if if you don't vote us the victors
Speaker 2: of this particular contest, we're going to Mexico or somewhere else.
Speaker 1: And then we said, do you want to join us too? Greg?
Speaker 1: And Greg goes now, so now you're staying here show
Speaker 1: ten nominees.
Speaker 3: I think I remember this. I was here for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, I we asked you if you wanted
Speaker 2: to join us in the walkout you.
Speaker 3: Did calling to Mexico.
Speaker 5: Well, I just assumed it's not too late. Do you
Speaker 5: want to join us when when there's ten nominees?
Speaker 3: Don't love that attitude.
Speaker 1: The only problem with this call to action happening right now.
Speaker 6: People now are spurred like I don't want too late,
Speaker 6: too late voting.
Speaker 1: So we did give them a week, we did.
Speaker 6: I we could have put it out on different platforms
Speaker 6: if we really if we're just leaving, but we are
Speaker 6: leaving the show.
Speaker 1: I will leave the show.
Speaker 3: Lessons we're learned.
Speaker 1: I mean we could if you want to. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: your word. We said it. We're leaving. We will leave.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no empty threats.
Speaker 1: Here, Where are we gonna go? Wait? I can still
Speaker 1: take Colleen right north or Satric.
Speaker 3: I might be going with them.
Speaker 1: Though, Greg take the ambition and take it under the tape.
Speaker 6: Is already formulating a new lineup.
Speaker 1: See who's available at least? Oh my god, it's so real.
Speaker 1: All right, I've seen Bill Barnwell at the moment, Bill,
Speaker 1: I think they lost.
Speaker 2: I voted against them. All Right, here we go. We'll
Speaker 2: be back on Thursday. It is the annual don't say
Speaker 2: super Bowl show. So if you're already sick, if you're
Speaker 2: annoyed about the teams in the game, you just want
Speaker 2: to talk about something else to connect to the NFL,
Speaker 2: that's your show either Connie, thank you, Yeah, you've said
Speaker 2: it all.
Speaker 1: We'll do it again. Let's do it again. Heed the call.