1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: My name is Matt Frederick, the audit tun there man. 6 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: My name is No. It'sund it great. They called me Ben. 7 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: We're joined as always with our super producer, all mission 8 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: control decads. Most importantly, you are you. You are here 9 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. 10 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: It is time yet again for our weekly Listener Male segment. 11 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: We are traveling internationally, we are traveling chronologically. We do 12 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: want to give a heads up to everybody in the 13 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: crowd today. Uh, there is going to be uh one 14 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: one part of this week segment that does focus on 15 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: some pretty dark and disturbing things. Uh. We'll have another disclaimer. 16 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: I'll make sure to have one at the top before 17 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: we get to that story. But just know that we 18 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: are we're going to a lot of uh strange places 19 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:24,839 Speaker 1: today and we thought that we would we thought would 20 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: ease into this with an update on a story that 21 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: has been followed very closely in Canada, followed in the 22 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: United States, the world abroad, but followed especially closely in 23 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: the United Kingdom. Yeah, I'm sorry, Hey, sorry about the 24 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: weird auto tune there. No, I was trying to do 25 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: a silly set up with the melody to a song 26 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: that had to do with your topic. Oh, Royal never 27 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: be And it's true, we can't. You can't have either 28 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: born into it or you marry into it. Um like 29 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: Megan Mark did. Uh and hasn't had the best experience, 30 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: it turns out with the Royal family and what is 31 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: referred to behind closed doors and in royal watcher circles, 32 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: that's the thing as the firm um, but not the 33 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 1: John Grisham book or or or Tom Cruise movie of 34 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: the same name. The firm is a term that is 35 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,839 Speaker 1: used to refer to the Royal Family, all of its institutions, 36 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: it's lays on its page boys and whatever. All the 37 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: stuff that it takes to make that machine go is 38 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: the firm um. And yeah, the story Ben is mentioning, 39 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: of course, is the Oprah Winfrey interview with Megan and 40 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: Prince Harry. And it was pretty juicy stuff. Uh, some 41 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: real tell all moments in that interview, and in particular 42 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: the thing that we're going to talk about today, UM 43 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: was hipped to us by a listener who wrote in 44 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: by the name of Rosie the Lean bean vegan machine. 45 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 1: That's her name, at least that's what she has to 46 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: go by. And it just goes to show that if 47 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: you call in or send it's an email and and 48 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 1: you want to be on listener mail, UM, we will 49 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: call you literally whatever you want. So here we go. 50 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: It's pretty long email. To try to abridge it a 51 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: bit on the fly here UM. Last week, Megan Marko 52 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: and Prince Harry dropped the biggest bomb expose in an 53 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 1: interview with Oprah Winfrey about their experience with the royal 54 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: family and the Institution also known as the Firm. Uh. 55 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: It's no secret that they prioritize public image, they being 56 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: the family and the crowd, rather than addressing family drama 57 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: or internal conflicts. What does that sound like, you guys? 58 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: Sounds to me just like family in general. But this 59 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: is obviously on a much larger and more clandestine scale. Um. 60 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: They it's no secret they prioritize public image and the 61 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: crown rather than addressing family drama or internal conflicts. But 62 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: there's so much that slowly comes back to haunt them 63 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: later on. Regardless, there's a show on Netflix called The Crown. 64 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: Sure many folks are fans of that. I haven't seen it, 65 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: perst Um. I'm very much aware of it, and I'm 66 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: considering giving it a shot. But it's about the Royal family, 67 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: of course, and it is inspired by many real life 68 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: events that actually happened throughout the history of the Royal Family, 69 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: and one particular event that stood out to me when 70 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:19,359 Speaker 1: Princess Margaret finally wanted to address her internal conflicts depression 71 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: UH and decided to go to therapy. In therapy, she 72 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: finds out that mental health is very stigmatized for Royal 73 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: family members, and she even finds out that her distant 74 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 1: cousins who had been born with mental health issues and 75 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: had been publicly declared dead UH decades before, were in 76 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: fact very much alive and had been kept secretly away 77 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: in a mental institution. Um. This is a real life event. Time. 78 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: This back to Megan's interview. There's so much to unpack there, 79 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: but it saddens me that we are in and mental 80 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: health is still stigmatized in so many parts of the world. Um. 81 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: She claims that she was at one point suicidal and 82 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: asked their HR department. I think it's a comical that 83 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: the idea of the role I family having an HR department, 84 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: but I guess they must um for help, and she 85 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: was denied help because she was not a quote paid 86 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: employee by the firm. She's definitely not the first, not 87 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: the last Royal family member that will have mental health concerns, 88 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: and the firm's history of how they handle this is 89 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: definitely questionable and concerning. And then she goes into talking 90 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: about Princess Diana's kind of treatment in terms of the 91 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: way she was kind of stigmatized within the family for 92 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 1: her own personal struggles with bulimia and mental health issues 93 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 1: like depression. UM. And then ultimately she you know, obviously 94 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: tragically was killed in that car accident where there are 95 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: many many questions as to how that happened. There's a 96 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: whole episode of so they don't want you to know, 97 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: devoted to that alone. Um. But living in the public 98 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: eye like that, you know, the way she was and 99 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 1: being kind of firmed the bus uh by the royal 100 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: family certainly seems to have been something that maybe led 101 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: to the tragic events of her passing. Stay safe and 102 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 1: keep up the amazing work. Also thanks for keeping me 103 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: saying at work. I work in accounting and when I say, 104 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: you guys are the highlights. Yes, the highlights. I binge 105 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: your podcast throughout my days. I mean it. Um, So 106 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 1: thank you, Rosie, Thanks Vegan Machine. Yes, uh really truly 107 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: so much to unpack here. We've talked about this off air, 108 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: and I think we all have varying degrees of um 109 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: suspicion around institutions like the royal family. Um. And I 110 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: just think, you know, British politics in general is a 111 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: little sketchy and strange. There's a lot of old money, 112 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: a lot of secrets, and a lot of you know, 113 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: kind of subterfuge um. And the story she talks about 114 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: is in fact very much true. It's the story of 115 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: Queen Elizabeth's cousins who were hidden away. Uh. There's a 116 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: great article on Esquire if you want to hear about 117 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: the real life story behind the Crown Season four UM plotline, 118 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: highly recommended by Adrian Westenfeld called the Queen's Hidden cousins 119 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:11,679 Speaker 1: are part of a shameful chapter in royal history. But yeah, 120 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: what did you guys make of this interview or or 121 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: the bits you know that kind of made the news. 122 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: Uh is this important? Is this all kind of dub 123 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: or what do what do you think dud what sense? Duh? 124 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: Like this is obviously the case. You know that they've 125 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: been you know, uh, not treating people with mental health 126 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: conditions correctly, and that it's all kind of about the 127 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: image of the family, and it's all I mean, even 128 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: the existence of the family seems to be largely a 129 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: pr kind of situation at this point. Being these figureheads, 130 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: the terms figureheads to me just implies absolutely just trotting 131 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: them out for ceremonial purposes to keep all the old 132 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: money types happy, uh and make them feel like they 133 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: still live in some semblance of a monarchy. Um, when 134 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: it's really you know, it's kind of something else. Um yeah, 135 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. But do you think there are any 136 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: big aha moments or what? What was your takeaway? So? 137 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, okay, I'm trying to distill what you just 138 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: sat down into the dust. So the so what the 139 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: what I would say then, I don't know if I'm 140 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: answering you exactly from answering the question, But what I 141 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: would say is the first thing to realize is that 142 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:32,079 Speaker 1: the aristo monarchical system of the United Kingdom is masterful 143 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:36,199 Speaker 1: at controlling public narrative. And it's like if you see 144 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: scandals reported in the tabloids, they're the scandals that that system, 145 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: that firm wants you to hear. That's what they want 146 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: you to be outraged about. That's why you're not going 147 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: to see a ton of people in the BBC saying, hey, 148 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 1: if Prince Andrew was any other person, wouldn't he be 149 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: in jail? The answer is, of course, you know, arguably yes. Uh. 150 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: This this like many institutions, UM, this is not this 151 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: part is not a ding on the royal family. Like 152 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: many institutions. Uh, it's number one goal is to ensure 153 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 1: it's further existence and to extend when possible it's control. Uh. 154 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: And one of the one of the spheres that the 155 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: that system, that institution very much controls is the sphere 156 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: of public information. Uh, the sphere of media. Um. We know, 157 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:36,079 Speaker 1: scandal a plenty in this particular institution because those stories 158 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: eventually come out, um unfortunately posthumously for the people who 159 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: are victims of these kinds of things. You know, like 160 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:48,839 Speaker 1: the stereotype of the locked away family member is very 161 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: much real, but it doesn't come out in time to 162 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: help those individuals, because that's the thing just to finish. 163 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,959 Speaker 1: That's the thing people keep forgetting is that the the 164 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: members of the we're on a dead press kick when 165 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: the smoking camera disappears there, they're just other people, you know. 166 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: So they want to have this managed idea and often 167 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: hold people to unrealistic standards. There should not be a 168 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: stigma about discussing mental health. Yes, absolutely, And to your 169 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: point about the kind of trope about the locked away 170 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: royal you know family members, that would have been a 171 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: shame shaming upon the family, uh if if they were 172 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: revealed to have had, you know, some sort of condition 173 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: like this. I mean, that story from the Crown is 174 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: absolutely true. The two of the queen's first cousins had 175 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 1: these developmental disabilities and weren't fact hidden away in a 176 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: very problematic institution called Royal Heiress would Hospital um and 177 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: it was criticized for having lots of sanitation problems and 178 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: and overcrowding issues like that. Again, you can read more 179 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: about that in that article or there's also a channel 180 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,719 Speaker 1: for war documentary. Um. Yeah, I'm almost interested in like 181 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: the difference sub Channel four isn't government subsidized, whereas the 182 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: BBC is. So I'm wondering if the fact that it's 183 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: not BBC allows them to do stuff like this. But 184 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 1: it's called The Queen's Hidden Cousins and that's a documentary 185 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: that aired. Um but Matt, how about you. I don't 186 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: know that you're a particular like royal watcher nut, but 187 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: I mean it's all super fascinating, I think for all 188 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: of us, especially given the research we've done on this 189 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: kind of stuff in the past, like is the royal 190 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: family still secretly in charge of the US and things 191 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: like that. No, I I have to be honest, I 192 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: feel like I don't have all of the info to 193 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 1: even like be in this discussion. Can you can you 194 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: guys just give me kind of a exact rundown on 195 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: what occurred or what was said or alleged during that 196 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: Megan Merkel interview. Totally. I mean it's sort of twofold Ben, 197 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: you know, correct if I'm wrong. But a big part 198 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: of it was that she, like Princess Diana, sought mental 199 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: health assistance and was stone walled. Essentially. It's a big 200 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: part of it. Uh. There's also a uh that was 201 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 1: symptomatic of a larger problem, which would have been seen 202 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: as uh, you know, it's bullying, discrimination running rampant. Uh. 203 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: The way the snippets are reported, of course, it's going 204 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: to focus on the bite sized things they can fit 205 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: into a five minute piece right on the evening news 206 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: or the morning shows. But yeah, it's allegations of intense racism, 207 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: of of kind of mothering the cold shoulder, right like 208 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: you're your good advertising for this regime, but you are 209 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: not really one of us. Um that. So that's part 210 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 1: of the the idea, an idea that was explored in 211 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: a much more lighthearted and much more fictional, thankfully way, 212 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: in the John Goodman film King Ralph. Thank you to 213 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 1: the wh to reach out to me Ben bull in 214 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: HSW on Twitter to let me know that King Ralph 215 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: is the name of the film, and the reason I 216 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: was calling it Duke of Earle is because there's a 217 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: heartwarming musical number in there. Oh yeah, and it was 218 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: the first time I ever heard the name of the 219 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 1: British delicacy Spotted Dick. There's are is a very kind 220 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: of you know, raunchy joke may out of that in 221 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: the movie, but it is a thing it's got like 222 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: raisins in it. It's some kind of like bread pudding situation. 223 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: So that's the that's kind of the gist of the 224 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: the interview. But there are other things explored there. And 225 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: I would say that we know, we being the people 226 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: who are not in the royal family nor in that 227 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: in the relationship between Harry and Megan markle Um, it 228 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: seems that they're taking it seriously because uh, and they 229 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: do mean this because Prince Harry was just just got 230 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: a new job chief impact officer at a mental health 231 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: company called Better Up. So this may be at least 232 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: in the battle of public opinion. Uh, this this may 233 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: be another indication that they will work to destigmatize uh 234 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: mental health or the conversation surrounding mental health in the future. 235 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: And that's something I for one applaud m hm. That's great. Yeah, 236 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: the situation was Megan Merkel was a actor. Right. I'm 237 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: so sorry for not knowing all these Like I said, 238 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: I mean, it really is a niche kind of part 239 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: of news. It doesn't affect us as a country very 240 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: much at all because it is just such like a 241 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: total total almost like charade. Uh that is, you know, uh, 242 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: like a soap opera happening before the very eyes of 243 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: the British public. And certainly there are folks that get 244 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: into that and then and really pay close attention to it, 245 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: but it ultimately doesn't amount to a hell of a 246 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: lot in terms of like policy or anything real, because 247 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: these folks are essentially powerless in terms of the way 248 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: the government runs. Unless I'm missing something, yeah, I'm not sure. 249 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: I just I would say it's a good thing that 250 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: it's being addressed. I'm glad that it's being spoken about. 251 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: I'm glad their moves being taken by one of them 252 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: to like head up part of a part of an 253 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: organization that's going to assist with mental health in one 254 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: way or another, even if it's for profit. Uh, it's 255 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: it is not strange that bringing someone into the royal 256 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: family that was so very much outside of that life 257 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: caused some ripples within that institution. Right, That's not weird. 258 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:41,479 Speaker 1: That's should have been expected, I think to some extent. Um, 259 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: But I perhaps they wasn't. Uh, they didn't think it 260 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: would occur to such an extent maybe um, And we're 261 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: talking about bullying, so like would that have been I mean, 262 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: I know the racist comment was something you know, Megan 263 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: Marco is of mixed race, and there was a comment 264 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: acknowledged in this interview that, uh, there were there were 265 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: concerns from you know, the royal family that their children 266 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: would be to quote unquote dark looking. Um so, just 267 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: just the fact they're actually speaking out of school like this. 268 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: I'm sure it's causing a huge hubbub within that firm, right, 269 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: but h and it seems to be a value. But 270 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: the reason I said that d thing is like, well, 271 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: of course they're racist and weird. Yeah, what I mean, 272 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: I think that's what I was getting. I got it. Yeah, Well, 273 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: I I feel so first off, I'm probably more in 274 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: your side with this matter. I don't, um, I understand 275 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: that stories of celebrities and individuals you will never meet, 276 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: uh sell a lot of papers, right, they sell a 277 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: lot of ad dollars. They're they're good for companies. I 278 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: don't know how much good celebrity warship does for the world. 279 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: I do, But I'm also torn because you know, these 280 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: are two people that will probably never meet, who definitely 281 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: had a terrible experience with their family, and they don't 282 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: seem like horrible people. They seem like they are just 283 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 1: trying to make sure that they can give their kid 284 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: a decent life, which is something I think we can 285 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 1: all get behind. But the the other issue here is 286 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: that this kind of this kind of idolization of people 287 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 1: for nothing other than the genetic accident of their birth, 288 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 1: uh is to me it's a very disappointing thing about 289 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 1: the human species. Like every time I hear somebody refer 290 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 1: to um or kind of like we live kind of 291 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 1: vicariously right through these these figures in the meeting, And 292 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: every time I hear somebody refer to a celebrity or 293 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,479 Speaker 1: the musician they love because they feel like they have 294 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: a personal connection that I'm wondering, you know, how much 295 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: of that time could have been dedicated to to other 296 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 1: things that help everybody. And yes there's the or about it, 297 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: and yes there's performance about it. And I would say, 298 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: in this case it's incredibly important because we're talking, like 299 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: as you said, Noel, about the stigma of mental health. 300 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: This person needed help not just from one of the 301 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: most powerful, arguably corrupt institutions in the world historically speaking, 302 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: but was a member of that institution and was denied that. 303 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: So the in this was not like a sit around 304 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: the kitchen table, tally up the monthly budget and say 305 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: we can't afford a therapist this month. This was very 306 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: much not the case. This was just refusing to help. Yeah, 307 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: you know whose opinion we need right now? You know 308 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: jon Jaw rules. Where's Jaw? Where Jonathan? He's into the 309 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: royal stuff. He follows that stuff pretty closely. He does, actually, 310 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: I bet he does. Actually believe you're correct. But the 311 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: the other thing, here's your point, Noel, that you raised 312 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: that I think is really important, asking about how much 313 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: influence over policy the royal family and and it's connected 314 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 1: tribal system controls, like like how much influence do they have? 315 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 1: Rather the problem there with the UK, and and of 316 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: course the US has a lot of these problems as well, 317 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 1: is that a huge swath of companies that are ostensibly 318 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 1: private companies, a huge swath of real estate, a huge 319 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: swath of the economy is owned by people who just 320 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: got it from inheritance due to these familial connections rather 321 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 1: than I would say, any sort of meritocratic qualifications. So 322 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 1: while the laws, like their laws in the UK that say, um, 323 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: the crown or the or the queen in this case 324 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: has the ability to do some things with the understanding 325 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: that she actually won't. That's a really weird way to 326 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: write a law first, um or a weird understanding. But 327 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: the other thing is, you don't need to have explicit 328 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: legal control of government processes if you have explicit control 329 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: of so much private industry and so much of the economy, 330 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like you don't. People in 331 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 1: the House of Commons can say all kinds of things, 332 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And I hope, I hope 333 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: it helps their political career, but that's not the same 334 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: thing as having so much control over the economy. And 335 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,199 Speaker 1: maybe I'm being too cynical. I mean, tell me if 336 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: I am, but it just it stinks because it feels 337 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: like these are three because they have a kid. Feels 338 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: like these are three generally good people who have been 339 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: put in a really bad situation. I completely agree, and 340 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: it's through no fault of their own in the same 341 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: way that folks who are born into that world often get, 342 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: you know, opportunities that they don't necessarily qualify for. Uh, 343 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,719 Speaker 1: And it's hard to kind of liked ding them for that. UM. 344 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: I think that's an issue where it's like, you know, oh, 345 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: You're getting this level of influence because of no other 346 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: reason than you were born into this situation. And it 347 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you are qualified for it or that 348 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 1: you actually worked for it. Um So, at least tankicely, 349 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: we don't have pure monarchies like that anymore, or at 350 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 1: least you know, in this part of the world. Um 351 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: But I don't know, man, it's interesting, it does hear. 352 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: I agree with you. It seems like they are really 353 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 1: good people and they're using in the same way that Diana. Did. 354 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: You know Diana was a huge humanitarian and used her 355 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: platform to you know, help less fortunate people. And I 356 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: applaud that. You know, you're given that boon, you're given 357 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: that like leg up, use that leg up and for 358 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: something uh positive, And I think I think I applaud that. 359 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: Um So, it does seem like they are using this 360 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 1: opportunity to point out and shed some light on some 361 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: things that we probably already knew were happening. But it 362 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: might cause a reckoning, uh that could actually you know, 363 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 1: bring about some change. But I guess my point is 364 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: the reason I'm so cynical about this is like, who cares? 365 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 1: What do they actually do? What do they actually accomplished. 366 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: Is there any actual impact to what the members of 367 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: the royal family do in terms of the country listeners 368 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: from the UK, please let let let me know, let 369 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: us know. I might be being completely naive about that, 370 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: because certainly there's the potential for backdoor dealings and back 371 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: door you know, influence, But to me it always just 372 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: struck me as such a symbolic thing that I've never 373 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: been overly concerned about it outside of just the drama, uh, 374 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: and the fun that comes along with, you know, watching that. 375 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: So on that note, I don't really have anything else 376 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: to add if you can, unless you guys do we could, 377 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: we could hop into a sponsor break. Let's do it. 378 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 1: Let's all enjoy a royal with the cheese, I think. 379 00:22:51,080 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: And we are back now we are jumping over to 380 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: a message we got from Buddy. Buddy emailed us and 381 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,959 Speaker 1: he said, I've been told this story a few times 382 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: by other conspiracy realists. He says, are you familiar with 383 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 1: the story of the Gulf Breeze six. It was six 384 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: intelligence operatives with high level security clearances stationed in Germany 385 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: and they went a wall, which means they they left. Basically, 386 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 1: they ghosted. Uh. They turn up a week later in 387 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 1: Gulf Breeze, Florida. What happens in that week is super strange. 388 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 1: I'm talking prophecies, wuija boards, busted tail lights, and the 389 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 1: second Coming of Jesus. I hope y'all can look into 390 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: this one. And that's that's how Buddy finished. Uh, one body, 391 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 1: this is this But this is one that I had 392 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: heard of a while back, but I couldn't remember. You know, 393 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 1: something's kind of on your tip of your telling. You 394 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: could say, my specific memories of it went absent without 395 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 1: leave right, okay, wall, But what's going on here, Matt, Well, 396 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: what's going on is an amazing story. And I can't 397 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,199 Speaker 1: wait for us to tell you about it and for 398 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 1: you to know about it, and then for you to 399 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: talk about it the next time you're hanging hanging with 400 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: somebody else, because it's just a fun story. Uh. I've 401 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: got three specific news stories from the nineties that we're 402 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: going to go through. Um nol. You've got the first one. 403 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: It's from the New York Times. If you can just 404 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 1: read us what was happening, I sure can. Six soldiers 405 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: found in Florida A wall from US by Unit by 406 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: Eric Schmidt, Special to The New York Times. That's nice, 407 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 1: special reporter. I guess, um, so it goes like this. 408 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 1: I'll kind of give you a little bit of an abridgment, 409 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: but give you the highlights. Six soldiers missing from an 410 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: Army intelligence unit at a sensitive National Security Agency eavesdropping 411 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 1: post in West Germany had been apprehended in Florida and 412 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: are the focus of a routine counter espionage investigation. The 413 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 1: Penning and said today, UH, no arrests at this point. 414 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 1: The Army said there was no evidence to suggest the 415 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: soldiers were infect spies. Um. And a three week old 416 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: army regulation this is very new at the time, UH 417 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: that Army personnel with access to classified information be detained immediately. 418 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 1: Uh if they extend their leave without permission. Okay. And 419 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 1: then here's a quote from Pentagon spokesperson Bob Hall. The 420 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: Army says it does not appear to be an espionage case, 421 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: but they have to make a counter intelligence investigation. That's 422 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: standard procedure. And then on the West Germany side, investigators 423 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 1: have been told that the six belonged to a group 424 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: called the End of the World, but Pentagon officials said 425 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 1: they know nothing about this group or whether it has 426 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: any bearing on the case whatsoever. Uh. And then the 427 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 1: pentagons of the two of the soldiers went on authorized 428 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: leave from the seven first Military Intelligence Brigade at Augsburg, 429 00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: West Germany, two weeks prior to the story and never returned. 430 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: At the same time, two other soldiers from the unit vanished, 431 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: and officials I suspected the two additional soldiers who were 432 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,679 Speaker 1: on leave would not return. Yeah, so dude, this is 433 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: crazy stuff. So this here's what you need to know. 434 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: There were six soldiers. These are the six soldiers were 435 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: mentioning here. They went missing from an army intelligence unit 436 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: at a sensitive National Security Agency eavesdropping post in West Germany. 437 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: And this this is important. Of course, the n s 438 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: A is tight in terms of security. Uh. These folks 439 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: at the seven hundred and first Military Intelligence Brigade would 440 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: be working with the n s A, but not necessarily 441 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: National Security Agency themselves. I think it's also very important 442 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: to point out these people who lit out for the territories. 443 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: As Mark Twain would say, we're also very relatively young, 444 00:26:55,520 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: the oldest being around twenty six years old. So they 445 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: had not, um did not necessarily had like decades long careers. 446 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: This isn't the same thing as somebody with twenty years 447 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,400 Speaker 1: in the organization or in the government deciding to fly 448 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: the coupe. And despite their planning, you know, despite the 449 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: clearly premeditated way that they phased their desertion or go 450 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 1: a day wall. Uh, they were caught. Yes, they were 451 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: caught because the authorities found them riding around in a 452 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: van that had a tail light out, and they just 453 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: you know, a local officer just happened to check their 454 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: plates and found out that they went back to one 455 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: of the missing intelligence officers. Then they ended up following 456 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 1: them to an apartment, where upon, bursting into set apartment, 457 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 1: they found four thousand dollars in cash. And that's quite 458 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 1: a bit of money. And it's not crazy, but it's 459 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 1: quite a bit of money to have on hand, especially 460 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 1: when you consider the income of a younger person in 461 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,360 Speaker 1: the military. Exactly. Then all six got flown to Fort 462 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: Benning and that's where this story ends. Uh. And then 463 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,360 Speaker 1: up I comes in with another story, which is an 464 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: update from just a little while, about ten days I 465 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: think after this initial article was written. That's right, Yeah, 466 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: the July story from u P I note that the 467 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 1: accusations were upgraded from going a wall to full on desertion. 468 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: They were discharged from their military obligation, as Major Joseph 469 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: Ulbard said. Uh. And also in the course of the investigation, 470 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: it was revealed that while they were at that post 471 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: in West Germany, they had told friends they were leaving 472 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: for a reason. Together. You see, they had an appointment, 473 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: this group calling itself the End of the World. Their 474 00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: appointment was with none other than g Jesus Christ who 475 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: had returned. And uh. He was also in his time 476 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: since uh, since the Crucifixion and the resurrection, he had 477 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: gotten really deep into UFOs and that was one of 478 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: the things that the End of the World uh six 479 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: from the first we're going to go talk to him 480 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: about um, maybe engulf breeze, maybe maybe somewhere else. Maybe 481 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: that's just where they met up to go meet up 482 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: with Jesus exactly. And so the important here to note 483 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: is that these intelligence agents or these intelligence officers were 484 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: all into cryptography. That was one of their major specialties, 485 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: which is kind of interesting, right, leading you down twisted 486 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: pathways to discover secret truths hidden in codes, really really 487 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: interesting stuff. Well, it's fascinating to know that these people 488 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: that have to be intelligent to one high level or another, 489 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: just to be in this field and to operate at 490 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: these levels. They at least told their friends that the 491 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: end of the world was coming, as you know, as 492 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: was mentioned by their their name, Jesus was going to 493 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: be there and he was specifically going to be on 494 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,479 Speaker 1: Pensacola Beach, which is just up the way from Golf 495 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: Breeze right, exactly the same, but it's just up the way. Oh, 496 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: and I do want to point out they did get 497 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: charged with a wall and not desertion that's originally what 498 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: they had and they received a general discharge, so they 499 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: didn't get a dishonorable discharge. They just got let go. Well, yeah, 500 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: they were able to work it out. Basically, the brass 501 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: was piste and they wanted to give him a much 502 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: worse thing, but they talked it out. But then it 503 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: also says, at least according this article quote, they also 504 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: said they were out to destroy the Antichrist, who planned 505 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 1: to sneak aboard a ufouh whoa. So the name of 506 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: their group was appropriate. I mean, they were worried about this. 507 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: We're worried about the end of the world as foretold, 508 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: and like revelations, and a biblical end of the world. Right, 509 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: that is correct. Okay, Now, look we're going to one 510 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: last article and then we're gonna end it. For now. 511 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: I think this is a full episode because there's way 512 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: more to the story here that we're gonna be able 513 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: to cover. Um, there's one of these, one of the people, 514 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: one of the six. His name is Vance Davis, and 515 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: he he came forward with some information that the AP 516 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: covered in two years after all of this stuff went down. 517 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna read you some of this. The title his 518 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: soldier gives as a reason he disappeared orders from Wiji Board. 519 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: Here's a quote from him. How ridiculous can you get? 520 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: Jesus Christ? Is Jesus Christ? Why would he come in 521 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: a flying saucer? No, says Davis, The reason they left 522 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: their army intelligence post was quite simple. Wiji Board spirits 523 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: told them they were needed to help lead the world 524 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 1: through an impending cataclysm. WHOA, whoa what Wi boards have 525 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: done a lot man for affairs both metaphysical and international, 526 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: you know, like right, we talked about it before. Uh. 527 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: And this is no ding on Hasbro, which is a 528 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: great company. I just I feel like a mass marketed 529 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: game by Hasbro sold as a game. Uh may not 530 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: be the number one way to to make contact with 531 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: the divine, the demonic, or the dead, or maybe Hasbro's 532 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: in on it. Bro. Maybe Hasbro's in on it. Maybe 533 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: it's an acronym. Maybe it's an acronym. But let me 534 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 1: jump in here. So this is roughly two years after 535 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: the thing he's taught. He's talking to a reporter. He 536 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 1: says that, according to the Luigia Board race riots in 537 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: Los Angeles, we're going to be a signal to the 538 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: group to go public. So once we see that, we're 539 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: gonna tell everyone our story, the others will come forward 540 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: one by one, depending on public reaction to what Davis says. 541 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: That's these are his words. Davis says, it all began 542 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: innocently in November nineteen d nine. Quote. We decided to 543 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,239 Speaker 1: do some experimentation into things we wanted to see if 544 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: there was something actually to it. Esp. Parapsychology, ghost sharot, 545 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: cards um. And they said they essentially didn't get anywhere 546 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: until they tried Awgia board and he says, someone showed up. 547 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: I'm talking spiritually. In the months that followed, Davis says 548 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: several spirits talked to the group predicting the Gulf War 549 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 1: and the Iran earthquake. And then in May they were 550 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: trying to figure out a way to essentially leave, like 551 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: some of them were thinking they may leave the military service, 552 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: and they couldn't really figure out a good way to 553 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: do it. Um. And then apparently towards the end of May, 554 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: in that year of the they were told by whatever 555 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: they were contacting or whatever they thought they were contacting, 556 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: that they needed to leave the service because it was 557 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 1: not going to help them grow and become what they 558 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: were supposed to become. So they were really given a 559 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: mission to you help get people through all of the 560 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 1: craziness that was going to happen. And I'll tell you 561 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: what they said was going to happen. Davis says. The 562 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 1: changes include numerous earthquakes, volcano eruptions, A major eruption of 563 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: Mount Rayner is that we've decided that was there Mount 564 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,280 Speaker 1: Rayner in Washington State, the devastation of New York City 565 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 1: by a gas leak, food and race riots in every 566 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: major city. They would lead to martial law and economic collapse. Okay, 567 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 1: so that's I mean, that's kind of your garden variety, 568 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 1: end of the world sort of disaster mixtape. Oh but 569 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:40,439 Speaker 1: I did come up with one ready, Holy Announcements sent 570 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: by Real Organisms, has Bro, that's holly in there. But 571 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 1: you know, if you're antiwgi, you could call it hells 572 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: your Announcements sent by real organisms. There you go, there 573 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: you go. Well, well, I'm gonna leave it at this 574 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 1: for now. Besides the fact that David said he was 575 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 1: gonna the group would leave as all of this terrible 576 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: stuff was happening. Then they would come back, essentially to 577 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,280 Speaker 1: be the new leaders. Once the world is thrown into chaos, 578 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 1: they come back to make things right again. Fascinating stuff. 579 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: It could be a situation where six people conspired to 580 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 1: find a way to leave the government and their their 581 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,359 Speaker 1: positions and then have a story that's pretty out there 582 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: to where maybe they wouldn't get in trouble because they 583 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,959 Speaker 1: could claim that it's a far out story and maybe 584 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: they're not in the right of mind. Perhaps, who knows, 585 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: that's my that's me putting a spin on it. I 586 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: don't know if any of that has anything to do 587 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,439 Speaker 1: with reality. Um, but there's also other stuff here. Maybe 588 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 1: they were contacting some kind of thing, some kind of 589 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:44,239 Speaker 1: being that really was there, that really was a part 590 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 1: of whatever that station was, that research station where they 591 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: were at. There are allegations all over the place when 592 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: it comes to the story about the government being in 593 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: contact with beings that are helping them in some way 594 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: see the future. Very much in the way that these 595 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: people believe this thing that they contacted showed them the future, 596 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 1: really really interesting stuff. There is a book that you 597 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 1: can read on this. There are numerous interviews on Coast 598 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 1: to Coast and in other places where where Davis and 599 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,799 Speaker 1: others spoke. I think we should cover it further in 600 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,919 Speaker 1: the future, dig a little more into it, because there's 601 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 1: gotta be more meat on these bones. Yeah. Hey, we 602 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 1: might even have some of the some of the folks 603 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 1: from Coast to Coast on the show at some point. 604 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 1: Can you imagine the war stories that they will have 605 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 1: for us. But yeah, this is this is fascinating. So 606 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 1: I want to I want to thank you. I um, 607 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:42,319 Speaker 1: I say it without a lick of irony here, uh 608 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:46,840 Speaker 1: we're humor. Oh buddy, this story is Oh buddy, indeed, 609 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 1: thank you for sending that in those those really great 610 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 1: all right, we'll be back with another message from you. 611 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 1: And we have returned. As we said at the top 612 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: of this week's segment, this is the part of the 613 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 1: show that may not be appropriate for all listeners. We 614 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 1: are delving into something that is both terrifying and real, 615 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 1: and one thing that is, in addition to being real 616 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 1: and terrifying, immensely depressed. Actually, you know what, this whole 617 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,239 Speaker 1: part is the downer part of the show. Uh. And 618 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:29,400 Speaker 1: it is all thanks to our fellow conspiracy realist Tom, 619 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,919 Speaker 1: who called in recently with this folkus. This is Tom. 620 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 1: Hearing reports from North Korea that claimed the country had 621 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 1: zero COVID nineteen deaths made me think back to the 622 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,880 Speaker 1: nies when Nikola Kachevku made similar statements about his country 623 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,440 Speaker 1: of Romania being free of the age epidemic. I remember 624 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,840 Speaker 1: the World Health Organization went into Romania after Kacheku was 625 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 1: overthrown and executed, and at the w h O found 626 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,399 Speaker 1: orphanages or hospitals with children who have been infected with 627 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:04,400 Speaker 1: HIV from birth, and that horrible conditions they existed in 628 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: where the kids were unused to being held and cared for, 629 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 1: and that they had problems acclimating themselves to human touch. 630 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 1: I was hoping you could follow up on the lives 631 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: of the survivors if any exists, or speak to the 632 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 1: dangers of countries sweeping victims under the rug during epidemics 633 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,919 Speaker 1: is part of their propaganda. If that seems too dark 634 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,239 Speaker 1: or sad, I'd love for you folks to do a 635 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 1: piece on pentagone Project one thousand from back in the 636 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 1: nineteen sixties. Thanks again, this is Tom right, Thanks so much, Tom. 637 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:43,400 Speaker 1: This UH massively appreciate this call because it's something that 638 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people, especially younger people in 639 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 1: the West, are not aware of. Yes, during the time 640 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:59,400 Speaker 1: that Romania was a dictatorship, a communist dictatorship, particularly U, 641 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:04,440 Speaker 1: some crazy, crazy, horrific things happened because of what was 642 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 1: called a natalist policy. Abortion and contraception were forbidden in 643 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:18,360 Speaker 1: the country because the dictator, Nikolai Chashku, believed that unrestricted 644 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,960 Speaker 1: population growth would naturally one to one lead to economic growth, 645 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 1: and so back in sixty six he issued something called 646 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 1: Decrease seven seventy banned abortion in all and any cases, 647 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 1: including sexual assaults, unless the mother was over forty years 648 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 1: of age, or already had borne for children or was 649 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:46,760 Speaker 1: currently caring for four children. So predictably, birth rates rise, 650 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 1: they turn up the economic heat later by instituting special 651 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 1: taxes for people who didn't have children and these This 652 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:02,839 Speaker 1: resulted in tons of Earth's with tons of children being 653 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:08,400 Speaker 1: abandoned in orphanages that were also occupied by people with disabilities, 654 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:14,959 Speaker 1: by people with mental illness. HIV comes into play here 655 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 1: when we consider the very low standards of cleanliness and care. 656 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,880 Speaker 1: I mean we this is one of those episodes that 657 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,840 Speaker 1: I feel has to be an episode because the dictator 658 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 1: and his followers, and his under LANs and his collaborators 659 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 1: were very much participating in a conspiracy that has traceable, 660 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:41,720 Speaker 1: real consequences even in the modern day. So these kids, uh, 661 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 1: you know, we're not receiving things like human contact during 662 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 1: their formative years. Uh, they're not receiving nutrition. They were 663 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:55,799 Speaker 1: often cases of terrible abuse and then unsterilized instruments led 664 00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 1: to the transmission of HIV and other diseases, other infections. 665 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:07,719 Speaker 1: About half a million kids survived what were would later 666 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:13,120 Speaker 1: be called Romania's Slaughterhouse of souls. Before we continue, had 667 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 1: you guys heard of this before? Tom? Now? Yeah, this 668 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:25,400 Speaker 1: is uh, it's my first run into it for sure. Um, 669 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,799 Speaker 1: there's a Guardian article that you that you posted here 670 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,480 Speaker 1: been and I was kind of making my way through it. 671 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:37,080 Speaker 1: It's um, it's really rough. It's it's interesting to see 672 00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,560 Speaker 1: some of you know, the children who are now a 673 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:45,080 Speaker 1: little older, being able to speak about their experiences. Yeah, agreed. 674 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,960 Speaker 1: And of course, you know, the most important people I 675 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,399 Speaker 1: think in this story are the victims, right, the survivors. 676 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,879 Speaker 1: The dictator was executed, But just I'd like to give 677 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,680 Speaker 1: you an example of the kind of things that happened 678 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 1: to these completely innocent children. There there was this culture 679 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,879 Speaker 1: of violence used to control the children, because of course 680 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 1: there are many more children than there are caregivers. Uh. 681 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:14,040 Speaker 1: There's one story about a night supervisor and an orphanage 682 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,279 Speaker 1: who caused some fifth graders arguing in their dorm room, 683 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,160 Speaker 1: and so as punishment he ordered them to hit each other, 684 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,840 Speaker 1: uh and forced them to fight. There was a news 685 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,560 Speaker 1: story here in the US UH a number a year 686 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,279 Speaker 1: a number of years ago about daycare centers doing some 687 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,920 Speaker 1: of the same things. The thing when the daycare center 688 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,520 Speaker 1: is that horrible as that may be, those children were 689 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:43,560 Speaker 1: able to leave at night. UH. The staff was of 690 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:48,320 Speaker 1: these romanian orphanages was beating everybody and then ordering larger 691 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:53,920 Speaker 1: children to hit smaller children. Uh. The the survivors of 692 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,319 Speaker 1: these orphanages, if you'd like to learn more about them, 693 00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:01,200 Speaker 1: created an association called feder ray f E d E 694 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:05,640 Speaker 1: r e I I. That is a Romanian epich that 695 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:10,800 Speaker 1: used for orphans that stems from a local term for 696 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:17,759 Speaker 1: a garbage dump. And the the survivors and their allies 697 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:22,360 Speaker 1: when various in geo's are pushing Romanian authorities to admit 698 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:27,560 Speaker 1: to and apologize for this, uh, the victimization of these 699 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:33,040 Speaker 1: estimated five hundred thousand children before the end of the 700 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:38,319 Speaker 1: Cold War. So yes, Tom, there there are survivors, and 701 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,279 Speaker 1: we think it is worthwhile and important to make this 702 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,800 Speaker 1: a full episode because again it's like it's a story 703 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,840 Speaker 1: that I was not aware of, Matt. You know, we 704 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,840 Speaker 1: were talking about this little off air I was not 705 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:56,200 Speaker 1: aware of outside of some horror stories I had read, 706 00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:01,440 Speaker 1: like fictional horror stories. Horror fan you'll remember, I'm sure 707 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,319 Speaker 1: this series of books that came out. They were called 708 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,840 Speaker 1: like the Ultimate some things like the Ultimate Werewolf, the 709 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,439 Speaker 1: Ultimate Vampire, the Ultimate zombie kind of thing, you know. Uh. 710 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,520 Speaker 1: And they had some great stories in these anthologies, and 711 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,719 Speaker 1: there's one in the ultimate vampire that takes place like 712 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:22,040 Speaker 1: in Romania as it's crumbling, and it's about these orphanages, 713 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,880 Speaker 1: and I don't want to spoil uh the story, but 714 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,560 Speaker 1: it was horrific enough that I simply assumed this was 715 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:34,680 Speaker 1: a particularly imaginative and maccabre author. I was incorrect in 716 00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,840 Speaker 1: this assumption, because I, you know, I went to the 717 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,600 Speaker 1: library and found out that, yes, this did happen. It 718 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,919 Speaker 1: just didn't get a lot of reporting until I think 719 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:48,759 Speaker 1: of the West segment that ran in the nineties nineties. 720 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,560 Speaker 1: These people are you know, a lot of these people 721 00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:56,160 Speaker 1: are very much alive and struggling with the lifelong consequences 722 00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:00,520 Speaker 1: of this. Tom gave us a bait and switch as well, 723 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,120 Speaker 1: which I thought was I thought it was interesting. Tom. 724 00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:04,640 Speaker 1: I had to have a little bit of a gallows 725 00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:10,560 Speaker 1: humor chuckle with you vicariously, because you guys heard that 726 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,080 Speaker 1: at the very end where Tom says, if this is 727 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,800 Speaker 1: too dark for if this is too dark for the show, 728 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:21,319 Speaker 1: then I have another idea. Please look into Project one 729 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:25,880 Speaker 1: hundred thousand. Project one hundred thousand is another thing that 730 00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,080 Speaker 1: I had never I had like not heard of this one. 731 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,120 Speaker 1: I had no idea. I thought it might be one 732 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,680 Speaker 1: of those things like the bat bomb, or let's make 733 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,399 Speaker 1: let's try to make cats spies, or let's put you know, uh, 734 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,279 Speaker 1: submarine gear on a dolphin and just see what he 735 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,239 Speaker 1: can get into. Write this is not a Project one 736 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,839 Speaker 1: hundred thousand is. No, it's not, I believe. What did 737 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,120 Speaker 1: you refer to it as in in the outline bend 738 00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,680 Speaker 1: food bar? Yes, yeah, we're doing a lot of military 739 00:45:53,680 --> 00:46:00,920 Speaker 1: acronyms today. Yes, yeah, the Project one thousand is is 740 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,360 Speaker 1: kind of food bar. It was initiated by Defense Secretary 741 00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:10,680 Speaker 1: Robert McNamara in the mid sixties because the Uncle Sam 742 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:15,600 Speaker 1: was in trouble in Vietnam. They didn't have enough manpower 743 00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,560 Speaker 1: and have enough boots in the ground. They didn't have 744 00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:21,399 Speaker 1: enough people to send out to maybe die. And so 745 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:26,759 Speaker 1: what he did with this was to recruit soldier to 746 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,439 Speaker 1: lower the recruiting standards of soldiers, so people who were 747 00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:38,399 Speaker 1: not able to satisfy in particular mental standards like cognitive 748 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:42,359 Speaker 1: standards were now accepted. You were sent off to die, 749 00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,840 Speaker 1: which is a very dark context in which to consider 750 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,560 Speaker 1: Forrest Gump. You know what I mean, exactly what I 751 00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,480 Speaker 1: was thinking about with Forrest and some of the men 752 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:57,600 Speaker 1: that he was serving with. Huh yeah, and so fictionally 753 00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:02,040 Speaker 1: of course. Right, So this had happened in other wars 754 00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:06,240 Speaker 1: and in the US as well, because people who scored 755 00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:10,360 Speaker 1: lower in certain percentiles of mental aptitude tests as it 756 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,320 Speaker 1: would be called, still got into service in World War Two. 757 00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,680 Speaker 1: But this eventually led to a like a legal a 758 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,000 Speaker 1: hard legal floor. Your your i Q had to be 759 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:24,600 Speaker 1: a D to enlist. And of course there there's a 760 00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,719 Speaker 1: multitude of problems with the i Q test anyway, as 761 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,840 Speaker 1: it stands then and as it stands now, you can't 762 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:36,279 Speaker 1: really measure something that you yourself cannot define or understand. 763 00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,680 Speaker 1: We have a very poor understanding of what intelligence is 764 00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:46,799 Speaker 1: in general. But yes, it is true. Uh, it is 765 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:52,080 Speaker 1: unfortunately very true. And these people who were affected by 766 00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:56,319 Speaker 1: Project one hundred thousand, they still had to carry a 767 00:47:56,320 --> 00:48:00,319 Speaker 1: lot of the same after certain post service burden that 768 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:05,400 Speaker 1: other veterans carry, you know, higher rates of divorce, higher 769 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:10,600 Speaker 1: rates of unemployment. Uh, they're also going to have, you know, 770 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,279 Speaker 1: higher rates or lower rates of income and stuff. It's 771 00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:19,080 Speaker 1: just a very it's a very messed up experiment, and 772 00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:23,080 Speaker 1: and really it's it can be Experts have described it 773 00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:27,200 Speaker 1: as a failed experiment. And it and it was a 774 00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:32,239 Speaker 1: little benefit to the people that it was maybe intended 775 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:33,920 Speaker 1: to help, if you want to say, recruiting them in 776 00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,480 Speaker 1: the army was intended to help. So I don't think 777 00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,920 Speaker 1: we didn't notice. Tom, that is an equally that is 778 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:44,640 Speaker 1: an equally troubling thing. And I'm wondering if that that 779 00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:51,040 Speaker 1: is an episode as well. But speaking of episodes, this 780 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,880 Speaker 1: is the end of this week's listener mail. 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