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Speaker 1: What's happened? Everybody.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to a money edition of Texans All Access from

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Speaker 2: the MONDAYE Texans Radio Studio. I'm your host, John Harris,

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Speaker 2: football antle sideline reporter for your Houston Texans. As we

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Speaker 2: are ten days away from the NFL Draft. Cannot wait.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot. I know what people are like, Oh,

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Speaker 2: it's your Christmas right, I said, No, it's more like childbirth,

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Speaker 2: Like you're really excited, you're anxious, You're just ready for

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Speaker 2: the draft. Baby to be born and see exactly what happens. Boy,

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Speaker 2: girl doesn't matter. Just good healthy child. It's the same

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Speaker 2: thing with pick number twenty five. Just a good healthy

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Speaker 2: child coming in play football for your Texans. So we

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Speaker 2: got that to look forward to in about ten days.

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow night, we're gonna have JJ Watt Goat Talk. That

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Speaker 2: is gonna be awesome if you haven't heard it. Some

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Speaker 2: good excerpts from that goat Talk with j Jo and

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Speaker 2: Andre and of course the man himself, Jay J.

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Speaker 3: Watt.

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Speaker 2: But tonight's show was a really fun one because it's

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Speaker 2: all about Seth Pain. Now I know of Seth. Here's

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Speaker 2: that he's just gonna he's gonna gag. He's gonna throw up.

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Speaker 1: In his mouth.

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Speaker 2: But it's really not like case, Seth, who do you

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Speaker 2: think Texas are gonna draft to twenty five?

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Speaker 1: It's more like, Seth, how did you grow up?

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Speaker 2: Where are you from? How did you get to where

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Speaker 2: you got to? What was radio like? How did you

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Speaker 2: get started in radio? In fact, I was one of

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Speaker 2: two guys that Seth first came on the radio at

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Speaker 2: a competing radio station about fourteen years ago. And I

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Speaker 2: was always excited to talk to Seth because he'sn IVY

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Speaker 2: leaguer and I didn't know him at the time, and

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Speaker 2: so I always thought he was so cool. So we

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Speaker 2: decided why not have Seth on and just go just talk,

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Speaker 2: just figure out what makes Seth Seth?

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Speaker 1: And it was awesome, really really good stuff.

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Speaker 2: So here's me and Mark with Sports Radio six tens,

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Speaker 2: former Jaguar, former textan.

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Speaker 1: More importantly, our guy Seth ce Pain all.

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Speaker 4: Right, joining us now, Seth Pain And and this is

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Speaker 4: not your normal Seth Pain type visit where we talk

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Speaker 4: about it's game day. Everybody's at fever pitch right now.

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Speaker 4: The hair is standing up on the back of my neck.

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Speaker 4: It is anyway, but for different reasons. Because we're going

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Speaker 4: to talk to Seth about his life and career and

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Speaker 4: the rest of it.

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Speaker 5: Seth, how's it going.

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Speaker 3: It's good. I'm flattered that you would have me on.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Well. I never do interviews about myself anymore,

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Speaker 3: so I'm a little out of practice.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. You know, when you were a player, you

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Speaker 4: good interview and I'm sure you still do, and I

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Speaker 4: know you do a lot of out of town stuff

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Speaker 4: about hey, what's up with the Texans this week's game

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Speaker 4: or the draft or whatever, but it's not really about

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Speaker 4: Seth Pain. What was it like when you were a

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Speaker 4: player and people peppering you with questions and a lot

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Speaker 4: of that was about the game too, but you got

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Speaker 4: a lot of life of Seth Payne type interviews as well.

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Speaker 3: That was always interesting, and it's nice that people are

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Speaker 3: interested in you. I guess the one thing I remember

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Speaker 3: learning very early on my rookie year, because it wasn't

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Speaker 3: Nuance about something that ended up being kind of something

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Speaker 3: always when you're an athlete, and when people complain about

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Speaker 1: Seth.

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Speaker 2: If you'd have been a player now and you talk

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm on Ross Saint Brown and his brother Equanimius.

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Speaker 2: There's always something that happens between them. Would you have

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, because I was. I was the opposite,

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Speaker 3: I think, just with the dynamic that I just talked about.

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Speaker 3: And then also, I mean it was a different time too,

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Speaker 3: feeling that you don't want to be uh. I won't

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Speaker 3: use the term that you would use, but basically somebody

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Speaker 3: like a media hussy. Yeah, And I always I always

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Speaker 3: I actually probably be started being less and less available

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Speaker 3: to the media, just in that I never wanted to

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Speaker 3: I would have shied away from it just because I

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Speaker 3: when you get on a podcast, you get, you get,

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Speaker 3: you hit that forty five minute mark and all of

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Speaker 3: a sudden, you forget that you're talking into a microphone.

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Speaker 3: And that's when all of a sudden, yeah yeah, unintentionally

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Speaker 5: That is so well said. It's kind of like the

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Speaker 5: Runners High.

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Speaker 4: You know, you reach a point where it doesn't matter anymore,

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Speaker 4: and I think your right sets we need a term

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Speaker 4: for that at the forty five minute mark approximately of

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Speaker 4: a podcast, where it just all breaks down, all the

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Speaker 3: I've got a physiological explanation for that too, because the

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Speaker 3: that happens psychologically, I think the same thing happens around

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Speaker 3: forty five minutes. When we had when Sean that were

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Speaker 3: It was like at the forty seven minute market the interview.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that and that was the money.

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Speaker 4: It was the money quote absolutely, and I thought, oh

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Speaker 4: my gosh, he just destroyed the whole industry with one quote.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly affected it.

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Speaker 4: I should say, not destroyed, because I guess it's still

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Speaker 2: I mean set you go from you know, a podcast

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Speaker 2: How comfortable have you gotten in doing that every single

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Speaker 2: day and finding topics that you could talk about where

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Speaker 2: you know, obviously you take breaks every fifteen to twenty

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Speaker 3: I think no, because I mean, for one, so much

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Speaker 4: But people don't understand how difficult it can be because

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Speaker 5: Because four hours.

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Speaker 4: That's tougher than people think. It is absolutely tougher. And

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Speaker 4: you know, Sean is so well organized, like Seth says.

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Speaker 4: But Seth, one of my most memorable shows I felt

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Speaker 4: it was when you were with Meltzer, but you drove

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Speaker 4: love that day because you were just riffing and you know,

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Speaker 4: It was awesome. I mean, I forget what we talked about,

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Speaker 4: those two but it's hard to do that every day.

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Speaker 5: You can't. Don't try this at home, right yeah, no.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's a it's a different dynamic, you know,

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Speaker 3: if you've got And that's the fun thing about right now,

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Speaker 5: So this is good stuff.

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Speaker 4: And it's all coming back now because in twenty twelve,

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Speaker 5: You're doing a great job at it. Right now.

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Speaker 5: That's the name of the town, right.

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Speaker 4: Okay, all right, will you tell me what it was

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Speaker 5: Talk about farming. We hear this stuff, and I think

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, that's a it's a long and winding

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I think? You know, with Caid, I think And

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Speaker 3: Dairy farming, it's just those damn cows have to get

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Speaker 3: So my brother he toughened me up by beating the

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Speaker 3: And that's the lasson I've always tried to remember when

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Speaker 3: working with athletes younger than yourself, or you know, you're

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00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,040
Speaker 3: a ten year vet and you're talking to rookies, it's

438
00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:25,159
Speaker 3: a man just just believing in somebody in and of

439
00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,159
Speaker 3: itself can have a huge effect on them and can

440
00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,320
Speaker 3: raise them up above and beyond where a lot of

441
00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,359
Speaker 3: other people might believe they could be, just because you

442
00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,040
Speaker 3: because if you genuinely believe in them and you see

443
00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:37,560
Speaker 3: the good in them, it's like it's something I see

444
00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,639
Speaker 3: with Demiko. You know, Dimiko, I think he really he

445
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,120
Speaker 3: believes in these guys' strengths and he wants to see

446
00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:48,000
Speaker 3: them achieve it, and it just it's it carries so

447
00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:51,120
Speaker 3: much more power than any of the words you say, necessarily,

448
00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,040
Speaker 3: as long as it comes with a real belief.

449
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:57,040
Speaker 4: Wow, I have so much to say about your brother

450
00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:01,560
Speaker 4: relationship because well, first of all, All American at Clarion,

451
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,720
Speaker 4: that's a big time wrestling school. Because they were in that,

452
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,080
Speaker 4: they might still be in that e w L, the

453
00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,640
Speaker 4: Eastern Wrestling League. Penn State was in that league before

454
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,800
Speaker 4: the Big Ten, and that was a separate league.

455
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:13,320
Speaker 5: It was just wrestling. It was East.

456
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:17,399
Speaker 4: Stroudsburg and Lockhn and Clarion and Penn State. It was

457
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,320
Speaker 4: wild to have all these kinds of schools in this

458
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,639
Speaker 4: big time wrestling collegiate league. But he was an All

459
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 4: American and rugby became his thing after he graduated, right,

460
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 4: and he played it professionally, coached it. Now he's CEO

461
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,679
Speaker 4: of Rugby International whatever the outfit is he was.

462
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was rugby CEO of Rugby USA and then

463
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,600
Speaker 3: also COO of Rugby America's I believe for a while,

464
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,480
Speaker 3: like now he's semi retired, but yeah, he's one of

465
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 3: these guys. He's just a he was like a crazy

466
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 3: one of those super competitive, good at everything type of athletes.

467
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 3: But he was a late bloomer. So he never really

468
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,639
Speaker 3: he never really blossomed in football because he had he

469
00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,719
Speaker 3: had a growth he had his growths for late high school.

470
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,200
Speaker 3: So wrestling was kind of the perfect sport for him.

471
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 3: But he got Yeah, he kind of he he picked

472
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 3: up rugby in away on the mental side of things

473
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:13,399
Speaker 3: that I think was freakishly fast, so he was able

474
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 3: to kind of grasp the sport. And then because he

475
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 3: was a wrestler and he had the endurance for it,

476
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 3: he really picked up. He ended up playing on the

477
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:25,159
Speaker 3: Rugby World Cup, you know, within a few years of

478
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 3: really picking up the sport and launching himself into a

479
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 3: full time and ended up making it his career.

480
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 2: SE's one of the things I'd love to write a

481
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 2: scouting report, especially on an offense. Deeven's a lineman is

482
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 2: state championship wrestler. Yeah, never lost about of wrestling. And

483
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 2: I know we talked to Justin Britt about this a

484
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,680
Speaker 2: few years ago and he was more of a mindset

485
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,439
Speaker 2: that the wrestling was. It was more about the one

486
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 2: on one competition as opposed to anything technical. But it

487
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 2: feels like the wrestlers, like you see guys on the

488
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 2: football field. You can tell oh, that guy was a wrestler,

489
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 2: and I remember doing that at the Senior Bowl. I

490
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,640
Speaker 2: told a guy who's a wrestler a stand by some media.

491
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,360
Speaker 2: I was like, you wrestled, didn't you? And he's like, yeah,

492
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 2: how'd you know? And these media asked me afterwards it's like,

493
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,399
Speaker 2: you can just tell, how did wrestling help you as

494
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 2: a football player or did it?

495
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 3: I know one hundred percent it really really helped. I

496
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 3: mean the biggest thing, especially an interior defensive line or

497
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 3: interior offensive line, is that you just learn the importance

498
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 3: of body positioning and just how much you like having

499
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 3: your weight in the right place really matters. And then

500
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 3: you're just you're constantly just trying to figure out ways

501
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 3: to move people. And your hands are really important too,

502
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,439
Speaker 3: So like all that stuff, it's kind of it's I mean,

503
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 3: it's a martial art. Really you don't people don't really

504
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 3: think of it, but it's a martial art, just high

505
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 3: school and Olympic wrestling in and of itself. So there's

506
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:50,919
Speaker 3: that side of it, and then yeah, there's the mental

507
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 3: toughness side of it too. Is just that you're out

508
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 3: there on your own in front of a bunch of

509
00:23:55,600 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 3: people and it's it's emotionally devastating when you lose when

510
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 3: you're a young kid, because it's embared. It's like getting

511
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 3: beat up in a fist fight, you know, and you

512
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 3: have to learn how to process all that stuff and

513
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,640
Speaker 3: how to come back from it. But the the hand fighting,

514
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,640
Speaker 3: because I wasn't a good athlete at all by defensive

515
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 3: tackle standards, but because I was able to use my

516
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 3: hands really well and to use my body weight, it

517
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,199
Speaker 3: made a big difference. And yeah, you see it with

518
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 3: like Mason Graham. Mason Graham was a high school wrestler.

519
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 3: Was he not attack with my house state? I think

520
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 3: you see it clearly with him. I was kind of

521
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,400
Speaker 3: surprised that Gray's Abel wasn't a high school wrestler because

522
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 3: there when I when I saw him the first time,

523
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, that kid looks like a wrestler.

524
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 3: So he kind of knows how to uses he knows

525
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 3: how to us his hips and use his body like

526
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 3: a wrestler.

527
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 2: But what he doesn't do what you pointed out and

528
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 2: is dead on, he doesn't use his hands very well.

529
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 2: And wrestlers know how to use their hands really well,

530
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 2: which I always find sort of sort of fascinating because

531
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 2: you know, growing up, we didn't have we didn't have

532
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 2: wrestling here. But I get to Brown and Mark you

533
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 2: you were at Penn State for a while. You see

534
00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 2: what kind of psychomaniacs those dudes are. Yeah, they're there unbelievable.

535
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 2: Like our full back, his name is Chris Tikarski. He

536
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 2: played at full back at two fifteen two and fifteen pounds.

537
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 2: The season was over and even before the season was

538
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 2: over he started cutting. But by the time they got

539
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 2: to wrestling season, he was one seventy seven.

540
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 5: Oh my god, I was like, you do that?

541
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 1: It blew my mind.

542
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 5: Just wrestle heavier because because.

543
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 3: The heavier guys are sucking.

544
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 1: Down the wrest exactly.

545
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 3: You know what about that though, John The biggest thing

546
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 3: that honestly, you can try to tell high school kids

547
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 3: this all the time and they just don't want to

548
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 3: believe it because everybody's so obsessed with the bench best

549
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 3: as a wrestler, you know, pull ups and the peg

550
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,919
Speaker 3: board and all that stuff. That's the thing. And as

551
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 3: a bigger guy, I was a bigger, like a longer,

552
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 3: lengthier wrestler, Like I was never nearly as good at

553
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 3: pull ups as a lot of the smaller guys, and

554
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 3: you just you're always you want to be able to

555
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 3: do a bunch of pull ups. That's a big thing.

556
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 3: You want to be able to do the peg board.

557
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,719
Speaker 3: And I look as a as an NFL, I was

558
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 3: considered a pretty strong guy. That was more my calling card.

559
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 3: And I swear I was never a good bench press guy,

560
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 3: but I could do you know, when I was three

561
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 3: hundred and fifteen pounds, I could do weighted pull ups.

562
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 3: And there's a lot that comes with the push and

563
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 3: pull that It served me really really well when it

564
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 3: came to hand fighting and some of the more physical

565
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 3: sides of the game that like if you're a high

566
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 3: school kid alignment especially that can whip out fifteen pull ups.

567
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 3: That's freaky strength for a three hundred and fifteen pound dude.

568
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 3: It and it has way more of an impact than

569
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 3: football than people want to believe because they just they

570
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 3: want to have the big bench press.

571
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 2: That was really fun, But we got more including how

572
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 2: did Seth turn himself into a kididate to be an

573
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 2: IVY League football player.

574
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,199
Speaker 1: It all started his senior year. We'll get to that

575
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 1: next on Texas All Access.

576
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 2: We are back on Texas all Access from the Texas

577
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 2: Radio studio. John Harris Footbay on a sideline reporter with you,

578
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 2: and it is all all about Seth paying today. We've

579
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 2: had a great time learning about Seth, getting to know

580
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 2: about Seth. There's a lot of people know because they've

581
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 2: watched him play. They listened to months for TREEO six'

582
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 2: ten not stories people probably can, recite but other than

583
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 2: more About seth than OUR i don't, know hour and

584
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 2: fifteen with, him maybe.

585
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: Maybe as longer than, that including.

586
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 2: How did you become the flavor of the month In

587
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 2: cornell's eyes starting in your senior?

588
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 3: Year all?

589
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 4: Right So, seth take us through senior year of high

590
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 4: school and the decision to go To. Cornell i'm here

591
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 4: with TWO ivy leaguers And i'm The Boston university.

592
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 5: Guy, yeah but tell me Why? Cornell how did that?

593
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 5: Happen all?

594
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 3: Right so my senior year in high, SCHOOL i played real,

595
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 3: well but we had a head coach who probably wasn't

596
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 3: the best high school. Coach good, guy good. Guy he

597
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 3: got fired and they had really zero discussions with him

598
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 3: at all ever about playing in college or. Anything it

599
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 3: just Wasn't we weren't like a pipeline to. Colleges So

600
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 3: sean O'Day AND i were working out another offensive, lineman

601
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 3: a friend of mine who we were big weight room

602
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 3: partners and. Everything we're working out in the weight room

603
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 3: on our own and we look in the coach's, office

604
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 3: the vacant coaches office was a stack of questionneers on

605
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 3: the from. Colleges So i'm, LIKE i Don't i'd talked

606
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 3: to a couple of The DIVISION iii schools in the,

607
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 3: area Like hobart And university Of. Rochester they go around

608
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 3: and they look at, like you, know All Greater rochester.

609
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 3: Team SO i just started kind of shuffling through and

610
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 3: we just we just we filled out our own questionneers

611
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 3: and sent them off to those, schools And cornell was

612
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 3: one of. Them SO i GOT i got a visit

613
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 3: from The cornell coach a few weeks, later and he

614
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,719
Speaker 3: was watching film with you, know one of our position

615
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,959
Speaker 3: coaches in the office and coach To. Stefano he'd end

616
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 3: up being my defensive line, coach and AND i kind

617
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 3: of got called in And i'm, Like i'm trying to

618
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 3: figure out if they they figured out my RUSE i

619
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 3: built this thing, Out And i'm like If Dave connon

620
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 3: was the position, coach And i'm looking at, Him i'm,

621
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 3: LIKE I i hope he didn't say. It, oh we

622
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 3: didn't say. That. Obviously seth filled this out but coached the.

623
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 3: Step AND i was watching the watching my film with,

624
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 3: me and he's, like, so, uh who's uh who's been

625
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 3: talking to? You AND i listed the. Local he's, like

626
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 3: so that's, uh that's. It Huh, okay let's, uh let's

627
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 3: schedule you for a visit and and he put on

628
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 3: the full court. Press SO I i kind of was

629
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 3: in a spot WHERE i didn't. KNOW i didn't know

630
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 3: for sure THAT i even wanted to go to. COLLEGE

631
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 3: i knew that IF i wanted to go to, college

632
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 3: LIKE i did really well with my grades and, everything

633
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 3: and THAT i had a lot of family members that

634
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 3: went To, Cornell so there was an appeal there just

635
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 3: Because i'd been To cornell games WHEN i was a.

636
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 3: KID i had my uncle played football At. Cornell, Uh

637
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 3: but it WASN'T. I i really was in a mindset

638
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 3: WHERE i wasn't sure WHAT i was going to do

639
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 3: after high, school AND i THOUGHT i was thinking about

640
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 3: going up to work on a fishing boat In. Alaska

641
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 3: for a year or two and THEN i was gonna

642
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 3: enlist in The. MARINE i kind of had an appetite

643
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 3: for an. Adventure and, uh but but you Know. CORNELL

644
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 3: i got Into cornell and they wanted me to play,

645
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,479
Speaker 3: football SO i went that. Route but it was it

646
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 3: totally wasn't like any kind of a focused approach or

647
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 3: anything like. That it really was just a good blend

648
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 3: of circumstances with a little bit with a little bit

649
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 3: of low grade fraud by.

650
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 2: Me, well after after four years of making the mistake

651
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 2: of going To cornell instead of going to a place Like, brown.

652
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: You are now AN nfl draft.

653
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 2: Prospect AND i REMEMBER i was In jacksonville and at the,

654
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 2: time AND i was thrilled anytime an ivy leaguer is

655
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 2: mentioned as a you, know day, two day three potential,

656
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 2: Pick Like I'm i'm all about, it AND i was so.

657
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 2: Excited but when for you did THE nfl become any

658
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 2: kind of, reality, Like, hey this actually might be a

659
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 2: thing THAT i need to be THAT i need to

660
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 2: consider with my. Life BECAUSE i know a lot of

661
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 2: guys that you played. WITH i don't know, personally BUT

662
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 2: i played with a lot of them At brown that

663
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 2: were the kind of the same way of we're gonna

664
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 2: player four years and that's. It we, know we're going

665
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 2: on to some kind of financial investment, job or we're

666
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 2: going on to work for you, KNOW Jp, morgan or

667
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 2: somebody's gonna go be a, lawyer whatever the case might.

668
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 2: Be there are many of us that ended up to

669
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 2: BEING nfl, Players but you Did when was that a

670
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 2: reality for? You when did you, see, oh my, gosh

671
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 2: this actually might come to?

672
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: FRUITION i, think.

673
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 3: You, KNOW i ALWAYS i you, KNOW i worked really

674
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 3: hard at football BECAUSE i loved, it and you, KNOW

675
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 3: i just loved being on the. Team BUT i didn't

676
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 3: really have THE nfl aspirations my first couple of. Years

677
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 3: and at that, point you, know there's a period where

678
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 3: nobody had been drafted out of THE Ivy league in

679
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 3: fifteen years or, SO i, think in a long. Time

680
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 3: but my junior year, scouts that's when scouts come, around

681
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 3: AND i got some positive feedback from some scouts that you,

682
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 3: know had said that they were interested or. Whatever but

683
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 3: we also at the same time got a new strength

684
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 3: coach Named Tom, howley who was the first time that

685
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 3: the program had a full time strength coach like that's

686
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 3: how that's how kind of behind the times THE Ivy

687
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:11,479
Speaker 3: league was at that. Time But Tom howley had he

688
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 3: had played At Wake, Forest, no he played AT twu,

689
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 3: lane but he'd been A division one strength, coach and

690
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 3: he told, me you, know in my position Coach pete

691
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 3: The stefano had conversations with me about how this is

692
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 3: a real, thing and SO i kind of put myself

693
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 3: full bore into it my junior year and then in

694
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 3: that offseason headed into my senior year AND i stayed

695
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 3: stayed At cornell in the, summer which wasn't typical at

696
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 3: the time, either but just working With Dis stefano as

697
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 3: a position, coach and he was an, awesome awesome position.

698
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 3: Coach he taught me much better. TECH i had better

699
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 3: technique coming to the league than the vast majority OF sec,

700
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 3: guys big ten, guys anybody like. That But Tom howley

701
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,239
Speaker 3: kind of just transformed my body and my. Approach so

702
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 3: that that spring before my senior year and then summer

703
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 3: before my senior, year that was that was my. Goal

704
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 3: but it hadn't been my lifelong goal or. Anything it

705
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 3: was just kind of the seed was planted by junior. Year.

706
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 4: Wow so the seed was, planted you end up going

707
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,479
Speaker 4: to the fourth. Round what was draft weekend like for?

708
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 4: You because this Was Saturday. Sunday it was rounds, one,

709
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 4: two three On, saturday four through seven On. Sunday what

710
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 4: was that weekend? Like did you think MAYBE i go

711
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 4: in the third and Then saturday Ends you're, Thinking oh my,

712
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 4: gosh what's gonna?

713
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 5: Happen how did that play out for?

714
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 3: YOU i was blissfully. Ignorant especially there wasn't you, know

715
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 3: the level of coverage online and everywhere. Else it just

716
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 3: wasn't the same as it is. Now SO i just

717
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 3: knew from my agent THAT i had a chance of

718
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 3: going probably somewhere between the third and sixth. Round you

719
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 3: know WHAT i wasn't prepared. For it was just how

720
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 3: long the process. Is BECAUSE i KNEW i wasn't going

721
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 3: in the first, Round but you sit there on that

722
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 3: first day In. May it's a long. Time. Yeah, yeah

723
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 3: because every time you see somebody else, go you're, like,

724
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 3: yeap that definitely wasn't. Me it's just rejection after rejection after.

725
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 3: Rejection AND i want to say that at that, time

726
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 3: the first three rounds were on the first, day and

727
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 3: then four seven were on the second. Day SO i

728
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 3: got a call from THE i got a call from

729
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 3: The cowboys defensive line coach sometime during the third round

730
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 3: that that year or that day on the first, day

731
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 3: and then he, said, Hey, seth you know you're the.

732
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 3: Last this will be interesting And john will probably remember

733
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 3: this exact. Scenario he, said you're the last defensive tackle

734
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 3: that we would consider, drafting AND i just want to

735
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 3: let you know if we draft the defensive, tackle we're

736
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 3: either going to take you with our last pick in

737
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 3: the third round or our first pick in the fourth.

738
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 3: Round and THEN i sat AND i watched and and

739
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 3: then lo and behold they end up taking the kid

740
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:50,399
Speaker 3: out Of, Syracuse antonio something or other with the third round,

741
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 3: pick a defensive. Tackle and what the hell is this all? About?

742
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 3: YEAH i, kinda AND i STILL i was just A

743
00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 3: i was a. RUBE i didn't know what was going

744
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 3: on on or. Anything SO i had bigger, right we'll

745
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 3: wait and. See and so the fourth ROUND i got

746
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 3: taken relatively early that, day and that is just a.

747
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 3: Whirlwind but The cowboys, coach to his, credit called and, said, Hey,

748
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 3: SETH i REALLY i feel bad about. THAT i just

749
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 3: want to let you know we'd had that guy off

750
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,720
Speaker 3: our board because of injury, concerns but the owner stepped

751
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 3: in and said, that uh, no we're going to go

752
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 3: with the guy from the bigger school at this. Point

753
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,439
Speaker 3: So Jerry jones meddled with me AND u AND i would,

754
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 3: didn't Thank, god BECAUSE i would have been a disaster In.

755
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 3: DALLAS i wasn't mature enough to handle that.

756
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 5: Environment oh, really now it all makes.

757
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: SENSE i, mean nineteen ten makes all kinds of.

758
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 2: SENSE i, mean you got the ultimate revenge Against Jerry

759
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 2: jones and The.

760
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: COWBOYS i, mean.

761
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 3: Oh, YEAH i carried it with. Me yeah. YEAH i

762
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 3: felt jilted AND i screwed over by The cowboys my entire.

763
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: CAREER i, mean first of, all you're you're AN Ivy league.

764
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: Player and, then like you, said you have.

765
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 2: Passed did you how much of a chip on his

766
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: shoulder did you play with throughout your?

767
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: Career seth.

768
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 3: Pretty? BIG i, think you, know the first WHEN i

769
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 3: got in a training, camp the first THOUGHT i, had and,

770
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 3: honestly and, WRITERS i remember telling a couple of writers

771
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 3: this and they kind of chuckled at. ME i, was

772
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 3: LIKE i, said, HONESTLY i felt like practice in The

773
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 3: Ivy league was harder than going against some of the

774
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:27,240
Speaker 3: rookies and, yeah, Whatever LIKE i don't, know those, guys

775
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 3: like some of those offensive, linemen they weren't gonna ever

776
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 3: make it in THE nfl because they were six foot,

777
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 3: tall but they fought their butts. Off, yeah and in

778
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 3: The Ivy. League the one thing about it, is you,

779
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 3: know now there's a lot more you, know technically there's no,

780
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 3: scholarships but there's a lot of there's a lot of

781
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 3: there's a lot of kids that aren't paying to go

782
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 3: to school. There, yeah but like the kids LIKE i

783
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 3: took out school loans to go to college and play,

784
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 3: football and there was a scrappiness AND i think there

785
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 3: were a lot of guys that were real tough athletes

786
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 3: that were six foot tall but would fight you, yep

787
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 3: and And i'd go up. Again and so, honestly the

788
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 3: THOUGHT i had was a lot of especially WHEN i

789
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 3: was going against rookies or guys that were drafted higher than,

790
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 3: me it was like this, dude this dude got a

791
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 3: scholarship and got drafted just because he had an overactive Pituitary,

792
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,240
Speaker 3: glenn but he's a punk And i'm gonna kick his. Ass,

793
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 3: oh AND i kind of carried that with me for

794
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 3: a long, time especially with high draft. Picks i'm, like,

795
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 3: oh you know, what because you went through puberty a

796
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 3: couple of years earlier than, Me you got a, scholarship

797
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 3: and you went to a big high, school and you

798
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 3: got and you got treated like a, prince and then

799
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 3: here you are in THE. Nfl i'm going to kick

800
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 3: your ass AND u and that it's a good attitude

801
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 3: to have in.

802
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 5: Life i've heard The coughlin.

803
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 4: Stories andre talks about it because he was in camp

804
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 4: once with The, jags that if you're five minutes, early

805
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 4: you're ten minutes, late stuff like. That and you've talked

806
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 4: About coughlin from time to time on the, Show but

807
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 4: what kind of impact did he make on your career

808
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 4: and life playing For Tom coughlin And.

809
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 3: JET i think the biggest thing With coughlin, was you,

810
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,439
Speaker 3: know he came out of THAT partcels school where it's

811
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 3: like they want to keep you uncomfortable all the. Time

812
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 3: they just they never want you to feel, like they

813
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 3: don't want you to feel too good about. Yourself you,

814
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 3: know it's very very old, school but it's, Man it's

815
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 3: it's like going through basic. Training you just you learn

816
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 3: to be not only, tough you learn That i'm Not

817
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 3: i'm not fighting for scraps or praise or anything like.

818
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 3: That you're just supposed to do your, job and that

819
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 3: you're constantly going to be you're no matter how well you're,

820
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 3: playing you're going to be under constant. Scrutiny and the

821
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 3: thing About cofflin that was cool was it was he

822
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 3: was consistent with. It he did not play favorites at.

823
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 3: ALL I rememberselli telling me that That cofflin had never

824
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 3: once told The selli that he had a good, game you,

825
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 3: know like it's just it's it's not the WAY i

826
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 3: would operate IF i were a, coach but it's you,

827
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 3: know and it's. Different there's different ways to do, it

828
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 3: and you can be successful in a lot of different.

829
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 3: Ways but as a, player you just you had to

830
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 3: learn to be really really mentally tough because it wasn't

831
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,439
Speaker 3: and and just take a lot of pride in doing

832
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 3: your job and doing things for your teammates and that

833
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 3: you're just you're never safe and, uh and it teaches

834
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 3: you to kind of that constant like a healthy paranoia

835
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 3: that all, right, boy, whatever that's. Great, yeah did a good,

836
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 3: job but, MAN i got a there's somebody gun in

837
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 3: for me next, Week.

838
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 2: Seth you went to an expansion, team well, twice but

839
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,399
Speaker 2: it started In jacksonville where you go to expansion. Team

840
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 2: you got there in ninety seven, seven so that's your

841
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 2: first year that they had only been playing for a

842
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 2: couple of. Years but the year, prior in ninety, six

843
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 2: they ended up going to THE Afc Championship. GAME i

844
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 2: mean that was a year WHERE i mean, IT i,

845
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 2: WAS i lived, THERE i saw the whole. THING i was,

846
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 2: like this is incredible an expansion team getting to that,

847
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 2: level but it still was an expansion.

848
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 5: Team what was that?

849
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 2: Light going down To jacksonville place where they only had

850
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 2: THE nfl for the three years before you got.

851
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 3: There it was really. Cool and you know it, again

852
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 3: you just as a college, kid you just don't know

853
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 3: what you're getting. Into so everything that, happens and especially

854
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 3: when you go to a smaller, school there's so many

855
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 3: things that you've never done, before like play in front

856
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,280
Speaker 3: of seventy five thousand people and play. AGAIN i remember

857
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 3: one of the first, games well the first preseason GAME

858
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 3: i ever. Had Jim kelly was doing the color. Commentary

859
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 3: SO i had a production meeting With Jim, kelly AND

860
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,959
Speaker 3: i grew up A bills fan throughout that whole, era

861
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 3: And Jim kelly had just, retired and it was just

862
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 3: it was. SURREAL i was SITTING i was sitting in

863
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,240
Speaker 3: a meeting With Jim kelly asking me questions about things about,

864
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 3: me AND i was kind of blown away by. It

865
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 3: so like that the whole experience of being a rookie

866
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 3: is kind of mind. Blowing but The jacksonville environment was cool,

867
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 3: because for, one they still very much had a lot

868
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 3: of old SCHOOL nfl veterans LIKE i got hazed the

869
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 3: way not as bad as The saints back in the

870
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 3: day or anything LIKE i. Got you, know you're still a,

871
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 3: rookie and you better know your spot and know your

872
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 3: role and shut up and don't you, know don't act

873
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 3: like a. Rookie you, know better to be seen and

874
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 3: not heard all that type of. Stuff but you learned

875
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 3: a lot from guys like Like Jeff logman And John

876
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 3: yorkovic and all those guys in that Defensive line meeting.

877
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 3: ROOM i had a lot of, crusty old old SCHOOL

878
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 3: nfl veterans that kind of like in line with playing

879
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:30,240
Speaker 3: For Tom. Cofflin it was just it was a bygone.

880
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 3: Era it was like a last fumes of a bygone

881
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 3: era of THE. Nfl But i'm GLAD i got to

882
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 3: see a little bit of, it all.

883
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 4: Right so you played in AN afc championship game nineteen ninety.

884
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 4: Nine The jags have a phenomenal, season but lose twice

885
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 4: to The titans in the regular, season and here you

886
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,919
Speaker 4: are again with, them and you almost had a shot

887
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 4: at The bills if The Music city miracle never, occurs

888
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 4: so that would have been, interesting but you lose to

889
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 4: them for the third. Time Dom capers is the defensive.

890
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 4: COORDINATOR i remember him telling me how Tough steve McNair

891
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 4: was to deal with in those. Games but when you

892
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 4: look back on that, set because, man The texans have

893
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 4: never played in AN afc championship, game AND i often

894
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 4: think if you lose AN afc championship, game it's got

895
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 4: to be almost worse almost than losing The Super, bowl

896
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 4: because at least you went to The Super bowl and

897
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 4: you can say we won THE.

898
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 5: Afc but what do you look back on that?

899
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 4: Season what kind of eyes do you look back on

900
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 4: that season, With, hey we were fourteen and, two we were.

901
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 4: Outstanding we made it to THE Afc Championship. Game or

902
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 4: is it just total bitterness that you lost at home

903
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 4: to The.

904
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 3: Titans, NO i think a lot of it. Is. Man

905
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 3: you just you really learn how hard it is to

906
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 3: just capitalize on everything and for everything to come all.

907
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,919
Speaker 3: Together because we were that. Year our defense was extremely

908
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 3: good for the first three quarters of the, season and

909
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 3: then a couple we had some bad injuries that hurt,

910
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 3: us and then we fell off towards the end and

911
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 3: we weren't the same defense in the. POSTSEASON i think

912
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 3: as we were in the regular season that that you

913
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 3: just you really learn how hard it. Is and then

914
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 3: the big thing really AND i don't know what's to

915
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 3: be done about, this because it's just human. NATURE i

916
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 3: THINK i can remember so many veterans saying to the

917
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 3: young guys like, me, like, hey, man this doesn't happen

918
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 3: all the. Time you got to really seize the opportunity

919
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 3: and seize the. Moment but, Meanwhile i'm, like, ah you

920
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 3: go to the playoffs every, year we'll be back what

921
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 3: uh you? Know and then you fast forward to seven

922
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 3: years later And i'm The i'm the. Death i'm the

923
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 3: old guy being, like, Listen, sonny this is.

924
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 5: Hard you gotta you gotta.

925
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 3: Really seize the day THAT i got when When Will,

926
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 3: Anderson Will anderson gave an interview where he talked about

927
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 3: wanting to do right by the older guys in the

928
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 3: room in the playoffs and The Deniko autrees and The

929
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 3: Jerry hughes and all those, guys and it actually almost

930
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 3: made me a little teary here And Will anderson talk about,

931
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 3: it Because i'm, like, oh this this guy gets, It

932
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 3: like this is a young guy that just genuinely gets

933
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 3: and understands how much it means to the older guys

934
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 3: and how hard it is to get. There that, is

935
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 3: it goes it just it goes by in the blink

936
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 3: of an. Eye and you just never know any given

937
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 3: year when when you're going to be on that potentially

938
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 3: great team. Again you just you can't squander any. Opportunity.

939
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 2: Man there's more to that if you want to get

940
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 2: it at our podcast Page Houston texas dot. Com seth

941
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 2: was a tremendous. Sport he is a great, subject great.

942
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,919
Speaker 2: Friend we'd love having him. On it was a really fun.

943
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: Show all, right we get. Back there's news in THE.

944
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 2: Nfl as we get towards THE Nfl, draft we'll do

945
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 2: discuss next On Texans All. Access all, right here we,

946
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: go Well monday inite To Texans All access almost in the,

947
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 2: books but we got a few minutes here before we

948
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 2: turn it over To area forty five. Tonight they could

949
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 2: talk all about what a great weekend was for The. Astros,

950
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 2: rory McElroy man And mark we're. Here we probably would

951
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 2: have talked a little golf h for, sure because that

952
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 2: was incredible in a SENSE i won't say it Was.

953
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 2: CHRISTINE i mean it was the literal definition of roller

954
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 2: coaster Because rory hit three of the greatest approach shots

955
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 2: ever in a major tournament at fifteen seventeen in the,

956
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 2: playoff but he also double bogie the first he double

957
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 2: bowie At Raised creek where hit the ball in the.

958
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 2: Creek then his approach shot at eighteen before the playoff

959
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 2: hits it in the sand trat like he's in perfect

960
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 2: shape to get.

961
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: Up and down and win a tournament right.

962
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 2: There, anyways either, WAY i think sometimes it has to

963
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 2: be that way when you win your First so that's

964
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 2: WHY i think to get to THE Afc Championship game

965
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 2: for The. Texans if we related to, THAT i feel

966
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 2: like it might be some funky kind of, game but

967
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 2: they finally come. Through and then once they break, through

968
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,959
Speaker 2: then they can do some great things from that point.

969
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 2: FORWARD i Think wory's gonna go on and win a couple. More,

970
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 2: actually now he's got the, first he can settle in and.

971
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 2: Play congratulations To. Rory rockets will take On warriors Or

972
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 2: grizzlies in the first round of the. Playoffs that's gonna

973
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 2: be really. Cool So warriors and grizz playing to play in.

974
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 2: Tournament see who comes out of there. Winner we'll head

975
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 2: To houston to take on The rockets in a. Playoff

976
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 2: so love it is a great weekend against The Los

977
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 2: Angeles angels Of anaheim out In, california whatever their title.

978
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 1: Is, Now so there you, go.

979
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 2: All, Right ron THE nfl this, NOTE i love. THIS

980
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 2: i saw this pop up speaking of The warriors With Steph,

981
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 2: curry my file in, law my two brothers in, law

982
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 2: both With, davidson and so they're always Filing. Davidson they

983
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 2: knew About Steph curry for, anybody And Steph curry was

984
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 2: hired as the assistant general manager With Davidson. Basketball, Well

985
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:34,760
Speaker 2: Eastern michigan today announced That Max crosby will Be Eastern

986
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 2: michigan's assistant general. Manager it will entail evaluating high school,

987
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 2: prospects transfer portal. Prospects crosby will also serve as a

988
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 2: special assistant to the athletic director in, fundraising alumni, relations

989
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 2: student athlete. Support, also they're renaming the defensive end position

990
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 2: in a lot of, defenses it's called THE. Leo it's

991
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 2: not gonna be called The. Max and that player will

992
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 2: now get to wear number ninety, two Which wass's jersey

993
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 2: number At Eastern.

994
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: MICHIGAN i thought that was the coolest. Thing you're seeing

995
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: guys get involved in all the. Matters just A.

996
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 2: Gm look is He you know he could Be he

997
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 2: can call up his guys and, say, Hey I'm Max,

998
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 2: crosby would love for you to come To Eastern. Michigan

999
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 2: Man university's got to do everything they can now to

1000
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 2: get their. Players so That tennessee With Niko Yamalaba, malaiava

1001
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 2: it was not a good. Situation, uh But Max crosby

1002
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 2: doing that for his all Modern Eastern. MICHIGAN i thought

1003
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 2: that was really cool. News Patrick peterson has. Retired he is,

1004
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 2: done And Michael parsons showed up for the start Of cowboys,

1005
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 2: workouts SO i think it was a little surprising for,

1006
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 2: people but good for him to be there as The

1007
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 2: cowboys started off their. CONDITIONING uh for this offseason all,

1008
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 2: right big thanks To Seth, Payne he's the best. Man

1009
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 2: that was a really fun segment To, mark to all

1010
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 2: of you see tomorrow body and as, always Go.

1011
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 3: Texans