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Speaker 1: What's up, Runner Gang, Welcome back to post run High.

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Speaker 1: Today's episode is a special one. I'm sitting down with

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Speaker 1: Grant Ellis. He's the new bachelor on ABC, and Grant

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Speaker 1: is about to have his whole world change. Before we

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Speaker 1: get into our conversation, I want to give you guys

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Speaker 1: a little bit of context for what you're about to

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Speaker 1: see in the episode. Grant and I ran three very

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Speaker 1: cold miles through Central Park and shout out to him

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Speaker 1: and me for braving through that. You guys know, I'm

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Speaker 1: a wimp in the cold and it was about fifteen

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Speaker 1: degrees fahrenheit. After our run, we made our way to Midtown,

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Speaker 1: New York City to sit down for the interview you

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Speaker 1: guys are about to hear, and you'll notice that the

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Speaker 1: set is a little different. We were in Grant's hotel room.

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Speaker 1: It's always really interesting interviewing someone right before their life

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Speaker 1: is about to shift in such a huge way. I've

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Speaker 1: had the chance to sit down with a few bachelors

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Speaker 1: and bachelorettes over the years, and while everyone's journey is different,

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Speaker 1: one thing that is definitely always true is that being

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Speaker 1: on the show changes your life. I actually filmed with

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Speaker 1: Matt James last week. He was the first Bachelor I

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Speaker 1: ever interviewed back in twenty twenty three, and spending time

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Speaker 1: with him again made me reflect on just how much

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Speaker 1: the show shifts things for people. All of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: every relationship you have is on display, and the pressure

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Speaker 1: And as you guys might know, Matt James has been

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Speaker 1: going through it recently with this very public breakup. Everyone

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Speaker 1: has an opinion and it's just a reminder of how

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Speaker 1: intense the experience on this show can be, and really quickly,

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Speaker 1: I just want to add that I love Matt and

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Speaker 1: he truly is such a nice guy. I've had the

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Speaker 1: opportunity to meet him a couple times and he really

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Speaker 1: does mean so well. So if you guys are listening

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Speaker 1: to this, let's take it as a sign to be

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Speaker 1: a little bit more gentle on the internet. I know

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Speaker 1: that we all do have a right to judge others,

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Speaker 1: but how would you guys feel if you started getting

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Speaker 1: bashed on the internet over your breakup. I just want

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Speaker 1: to also add that hawkgirls talk about ideas, not people.

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Speaker 1: But now here we are with Grant right at the

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Speaker 1: beginning of his journey and his relationships are about to

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Speaker 1: be under a microscope. It just all has me thinking, like,

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Speaker 1: I can't even imagine what this feels like, Like I

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Speaker 1: can't imagine having my relationship on a stage the way

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Speaker 1: it is for these people that sign up for the show.

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Speaker 1: And you guys know how much I love Jeremy, and

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Speaker 1: I love how much you guys love him too, But

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Speaker 1: I truly cannot imagine showcasing all of the intimate parts

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Speaker 1: of our relationship for the world to see. And that's

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Speaker 1: probably a common thought process. I mean, you guys know,

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Speaker 1: I share a decent bit about Jeremy and I on

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Speaker 1: social media, but I definitely do not overly highlight us.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, it's a personal decision. But when I

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Speaker 1: a completely different perspective on having a public relationship, which

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Speaker 1: is what I love about interviewing and talking to people. Anyways,

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Speaker 1: the whole thing made me realize it's really fun when

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Speaker 1: people have different opinions, because different opinions are how we

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Speaker 1: learn and grow. And he really expanded my perspective today

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Speaker 1: regarding putting his personal life out there in such a

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Speaker 1: it was a really cool conversation to have. And one

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Speaker 1: part of our conversation that really stood out to me

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Speaker 1: was when Grant opened up about his dad's struggle with addiction.

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Speaker 1: I actually didn't know about this part of him going

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Speaker 1: guys to hear this part of the conversation because addiction

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Speaker 1: is something that so many people are affected by, but

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's not something that we always openly

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Speaker 1: of respect for him. I'm really excited about his vulnerability

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Speaker 1: and he's going to share a lot of this experience

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Speaker 1: It also made me think a lot about impact and

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Speaker 1: how we use our stories and experiences to help other people.

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Speaker 1: And this is something that I'm constantly thinking about. I'm

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Speaker 1: what it's all about, right We're putting out our lives

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Speaker 1: hope it helps someone else. And that's the part of

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Speaker 1: can't wait for you guys to hear this conversation, and

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited to see what you think about it

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Speaker 1: before we get into it. If you guys are loving

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Speaker 1: interview with Grant. We talk about a lot more on

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Speaker 1: Love you guys so much and appreciate you so much.

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Speaker 1: And without further ado, let's get into post run High. Oo. Wow,

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Speaker 1: that was a good run. All right, guys, welcome back

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Speaker 1: to Post Run High. I'm here with Grant Ellis. We

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Speaker 1: just ran three miles in Central Park in fifteen degree weather.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, that was actually really fun. You know,

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate that and I never ran in the

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Speaker 1: Is running a part of your fitness routine?

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Speaker 2: Typically actually boxing. I like to box, it's like a

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Speaker 1: I've had a lot of UFC fighters on the show,

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Speaker 1: and one of my favorites was Joanna. We were just

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Speaker 2: And she's doing that daily, well she was.

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Speaker 1: I don't think she's doing UFC.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about this because your stamina was

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Speaker 1: great on the run, Graham was definitely sweating a little

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Speaker 1: I just you know, how was he sweating this much?

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Speaker 2: And they're going to see now we actually and we

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Speaker 1: Maybe they always asked too, what's your pace? So yeah,

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Speaker 1: You were picking it up, let's run. Well. I feel

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Speaker 1: Wait, what was that like for you kind of not

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Speaker 2: Very much my routine that's like my comfort place, having

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the decision making on the show stresses me out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Joey's advice is to go, you know, go with

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Speaker 2: part of being a Bachelor is being level headed and

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Speaker 2: And I feel like that was a really difficult part,

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, do you get to see the women that are

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Speaker 1: Do they ask you before starting to film and before

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Speaker 1: of pick people that are a match.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they they ask you typically what your type is.

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Speaker 2: I went in there like listen just what I gave

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Speaker 2: you guys bring. I know you guys are gonna bring

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Speaker 2: an amazing women. And they did. They did a good job.

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Speaker 1: Is there anything that you can tease about the season

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Speaker 2: The only thing I could tease that's really good seasons,

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Speaker 2: really great season. And like I said, I think the

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Speaker 2: and they pushed me too. And I think that was

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Speaker 2: it'll come across on screen.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. It's so cool being with you right now because

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So my dad, you know, he struggled with addiction

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Speaker 1: It absolutely, Like, how do you feel like your dad's

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Speaker 1: It's incredible. You're I'm so excited for your season. You're

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Speaker 1: more about you. Tune in every Monday.

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Speaker 2: Every Monday.

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Speaker 1: We're going to learn all about Grant in these upcoming months.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited for you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Really enjoy it. It's going to be a crazy couple

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