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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants house. My Giants

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Speaker 1: me part of the Giants Podcast Network. Let's welcome to

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Speaker 1: another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Citizens, the official bank of the New York Giants.

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Speaker 1: I am John Schmelck. Pleased to be joined by front

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Speaker 1: of the program, the one and only Kim Jones, who

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Speaker 1: covers the Giants for Newsday. Kim, how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm awesome, which is what I have called you forever

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Speaker 2: everyone calls me. Okay, when what airport were we in

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Speaker 2: where we ended up having dinner because the flight.

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Speaker 1: Was Vegas, Vegas, and I had to stay late. I

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Speaker 1: had to stay late to do the postgame show, and

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Speaker 1: then we had a trek to the airport and then

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Speaker 1: the delays, and there were a couple.

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Speaker 2: Of us in that group.

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Speaker 1: And yes, that's California Pizza kitchen. If I remember, now we.

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Speaker 2: Can actually have another conversation.

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Speaker 1: I lost it. We do, and we've had a lot

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Speaker 1: happened since that conversation and today, so I guess let's

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Speaker 1: just start with basic Kim, what do you think of

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Speaker 1: overall what the Giants have done this offseason trying to

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Speaker 1: kind of get their team back on the right track here.

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Speaker 2: Well, there are things that remind me of other things

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Speaker 1: For example, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, Malik Neighbors has a real chance here, a real

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Speaker 2: chance here to put not only a stamp on you know,

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Speaker 2: his receiver room, but on this entire team because he

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Speaker 2: has every gift. It seems you don't want to rush him,

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Speaker 2: you don't want to do any of that. But naturally

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Speaker 2: you watch him play. It's not unlike the feeling I

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Speaker 2: got watching O'Dell play, and you don't got.

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Speaker 1: Me most excited. When we talked to Drew Locke, I

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Speaker 1: guess when this airs, it'll be two weeks ago, and

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Speaker 1: he said, what gets me excited is that he's studying. Ye,

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Speaker 1: he's trying to figure out and he's in his book.

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Speaker 1: Because you can have the guy that's a super athlete,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't know where the hell he's going, right, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter as much, but the fact that Drew Locke,

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Speaker 1: out to me, that was just as important as any

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Speaker 1: of the physical stuff you're talking about.

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Speaker 2: Well, and important for a room where you know wide

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: He is an important leader in my opinion, for this offense,

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Speaker 2: especially now, and he's been a good leader throughout, but

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Speaker 2: especially now with the makeup of the offense. But when

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Speaker 2: you look at neighbors and the gifts and the way

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Speaker 2: he can stress a defense, for one thing, how many teams,

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Speaker 2: and it might be it might be more than I'm thinking,

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Speaker 2: But how many teams play after play can keep up

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Speaker 2: with him. He's incredibly fast. He catches everything. When you

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Speaker 2: talk catch radius. When the fans are here at training camp,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna hear oohs and oz from from the folks

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Speaker 1: From the media.

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Speaker 2: Two weeks ago, well, the one was absolutely remarkable because

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Speaker 2: Like that's what I'm talking about when when when people

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Speaker 2: ask me about the Giants, is their hope? They don't

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Speaker 2: ask me if there's hope, But I like the words,

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Speaker 2: so I use it. There is hope here. They have

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Speaker 2: some good players, some really good players, and some emerging rookies.

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Speaker 2: And I also wonder this can can neighbors be.

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Speaker 1: Just be neighbors?

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Speaker 2: Which looks pretty darn good. Can he help lift the

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Speaker 1: Is he a force multiplier?

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Speaker 1: Exactly exactly. I'm with you, Kim, and I think the

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Speaker 1: I thought he was pretty close to morv An Everson Junior.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we can and we can leave that alone.

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Speaker 2: Just because we don't need to talk about a player

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Speaker 1: It could very well be wolf the way and see

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Speaker 1: we do our We do a show on Big Blue

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Speaker 1: Kickoff every year and we ranked the Giants position groups

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Speaker 1: one through twelve, and the receivers have been in the

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Speaker 1: bottom year the last four or five years. Can this

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Speaker 1: now become the strength of the team? Which you talk

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Speaker 1: about neighbors elevating the rest of the wide receiver group?

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Speaker 1: Can this wide receiver group elevate the quarterback, elevate the

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Speaker 1: If those other young guys can step up? Would also

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Speaker 2: Well, from what we've seen from practices, a lot of

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Speaker 2: to be for obvious reasons. But even a Theo Johnson,

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Speaker 2: don't know THEO better, but I know his game better.

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Speaker 2: Watch you watch he can move.

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Speaker 1: He can move, he can.

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Speaker 2: Move people if he needs to, and he's and he's

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Speaker 2: With we think and the Giants obviously hope a healthy

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Speaker 2: Daniel Jones, it's gonna be fascinating to see. I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's the one thing about going into training camp. By

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Speaker 2: looks he looks great. But I understand I'm not putting

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Speaker 1: I would be crazy, right, But I just watching a move.

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Speaker 1: I guess if let's say the Super bowls tomorrow, right,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, he looks that healthy. Yes, but I

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Speaker 2: don't want to do is say it's all on this kid.

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Speaker 1: But it is a kid.

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Speaker 2: I mean, to me, they're all kids, but he's a kid.

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Speaker 2: I tell you one thing I loved, and no one

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Speaker 1: First thing he did before you even signed before, right, right?

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Speaker 2: And that's that's obviously with an agent, and you know

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Speaker 2: I thought to myself, there's something to this kid beyond

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Speaker 2: There's something motivating him, and I think that kind of

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Speaker 2: hope I'm right about that with Neighbors.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a pretty long conversation with him. You

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Speaker 1: get to see it on the Wide Receiver edition of

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Speaker 1: The Giants Little Podcast. It's probably not up win this airs,

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Speaker 1: And you don't get the one of you. I got

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Speaker 1: But that's fair. I don't get that. No, No, I

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Speaker 2: I think that's I think he. I mean he it's

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Speaker 2: That's not always what you hear about the real gifted,

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Speaker 3: You're ready for a change. Payday comes early with citizens,

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Speaker 3: so go to that retreat. Knew you moves to the country.

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Speaker 3: Now you're raising goats and launching a lifestyle brand. Are

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Speaker 1: So now it comes to the quarterback position? Can they

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Speaker 1: mean you've already touched on a little bit? Both of

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Speaker 1: I would be shocked if danielil does not start a

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Speaker 1: in like summer training camp. I'd be very surprised by that.

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Speaker 1: point we're on the same page. Yeah, no, for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I just Daniel for Daniel, Like Daniel doesn't

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Speaker 2: he's very different from me too in many ways, even

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Speaker 2: though they have some similarities, but fundamentally, especially the way

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Speaker 1: It's my pen stater in me.

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Speaker 1: And look, this is the honeymoon period. Assistant coach, come

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Speaker 1: It could be a lot dexter Lawrence Cavon Thibodeau obviously

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Speaker 1: I mean he's in that starting quarterback spot. You got

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Speaker 1: be a competition in the off season and all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: You know, do you eventually slide your rookie third round

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Speaker 1: Tyler Nuban, your second round pick, beat out Daan Belton

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Speaker 1: with the second safety spot. But you hope that maybe

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Speaker 1: that pass rush is so good it could take some Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks getting the ball out so quick, you can

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Speaker 1: take some of the pressure off that secondary.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you hope that that's the case. I think that

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Speaker 2: one thing that I do like about all of this

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Speaker 2: is there is some depth. We don't have that depth

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Speaker 2: exactly is going to shake out on the depth chart,

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Speaker 2: but there is some depth in terms of those and

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Speaker 2: they have some options in terms of those. But I

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Speaker 2: love the fact that there's competition. You know, you don't

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Speaker 2: want to play your best ball in training camp necessarily,

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Speaker 2: but there are going to be a bunch of those

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Speaker 2: guys vying for those positions who are going to have

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Speaker 2: to really show out to move up depth charts. I

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Speaker 2: like that idea of competition. For the New York Giants, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think when they play those joint practices against the Lions, yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: when they see him, you can see the guys against

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Speaker 1: them on Lassaint Brown, Right, Jamison Williams has got a

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Speaker 1: lot of speed. How do these guys do in those

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Speaker 1: type of situations. I think that's gonna be really telling.

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Speaker 2: That's a good point. I hadn't forgotten about that, but

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Speaker 2: that's a really good point. And we get we all

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Speaker 2: get to see Dan Campbell again. There's nothing wrong with that.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with that.

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Speaker 1: No, absolutely not. And then real quick before we say goodbye,

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Speaker 1: you look at the schedule, Kim, and you have a

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Speaker 1: real tough stretch in the middle. Right. Yes, but I

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Speaker 1: have never walked into a season where I'm putting so

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Speaker 1: much importance on just the first two. I know it's

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Speaker 1: home versus the Vikings, and I'm sure the Vikings have

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Speaker 1: that game schedule too. Oh, we're gonna start this season fast.

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Speaker 1: We get to play the Giants, We're gonna be in

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Speaker 1: week one, and then you're at Washington, you know, rookie quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I imagine talking to the people I know that cover

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Speaker 1: the Vikings, they think Sam Donald's probably gonna be starting

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Speaker 1: week one, McCarthy. They're not gonna rush the young kid.

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Speaker 1: But then at Cleveland, Dallas, Seattle. Since the Eagles, Steelers,

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Speaker 1: all those teams either finished over five hundred more made

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Speaker 1: the playoffs last year. Really good teams you have to

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Speaker 1: have to have to get off to a fast start

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Speaker 1: this year.

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Speaker 2: Have to, and like you said, there's that opportunity with

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Speaker 2: the early, early schedule. So I think the Giants and

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Speaker 2: their fans, maybe the fans at least as much, would

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Speaker 2: have a great psyche going four forward if they saw

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Speaker 2: a game and then another game and you're starting to

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Speaker 2: build on really competent, good play calling, the kind of

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Speaker 2: play on the field that you want, and the kind

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Speaker 2: of expertise you're getting in the locker or in the

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Speaker 2: in the meeting rooms that is helping this team really

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Speaker 2: grow because this is still you know, they've got some veterans,

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Speaker 2: and we talked about a bunch of them, but this

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Speaker 2: is also a team that hasn't spent a lot of

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Speaker 2: time together, you know, And I just I guess I

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Speaker 2: just wonder if they can if they can get an

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Speaker 2: early reason for hope, what can that do for this team?

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Speaker 2: And we don't know that, but it has to be

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Speaker 2: good things.

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Speaker 1: Hey, look, they saw the season fast two years ago.

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Speaker 1: It got them to a playoff run. So I mean

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Speaker 1: it's it's still there are no guarantees. But two more

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Speaker 1: things before we go. Darren Waller fired that happened a

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Speaker 1: couple days ago. We're recording this week in mini camps.

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Speaker 1: Your thoughts on how that impacts the position group and

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Speaker 1: the team in general.

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Speaker 2: Well, they clear My sense is they clearly drafted THEO

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Speaker 2: Johnson knowing that it was unlikely Darren was coming back

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Speaker 2: or preparing for the Yeah, preparing for the possibility. So

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Speaker 2: there's that. I wish the best for Darren. He's had

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Speaker 2: a path that he's talked about that's hits for him

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Speaker 2: to talk about at this point, especially if this is

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Speaker 2: a retired Darren Waller. But I certainly wish him happiness

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Speaker 2: and the best. He's gone through something that so many

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Speaker 2: of our families have in terms of battling, you know, addiction,

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Speaker 2: and he's been honest about it and that's that's something

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Speaker 2: that's part of his story forever and I certainly wish

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Speaker 2: him wish him well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely too. Final question, what would you consider the

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Speaker 1: Giants to have to do this year to consider the

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Speaker 1: season of success in your mind.

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Speaker 2: A winning record?

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Speaker 1: What if they went eight and nine? Would that be

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Speaker 1: okay for you? Would you say that's good enough? Or

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Speaker 1: would you be a little dis pointed.

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Speaker 2: I'd probably be a little disappointed. I think we're at

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Speaker 2: a growth point. I say we just because I use

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Speaker 2: weed all the time. But I think that the Giants

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Speaker 2: are at a point where the arrow needs to start

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Speaker 2: pointing up and staying up. And then you can say

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Speaker 2: next year, perhaps we could sit here a year from

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Speaker 2: now and say, well, last year was good, but this

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Speaker 2: year now really looks like the year that they can

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Speaker 2: come out, you know, with a lot of firepower, a

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Speaker 2: lot of veterans now, because after you're not a rookie

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Speaker 2: year a veteran basically in this league. And look what

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Speaker 2: the Giants could do.

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