Speaker 1: Thank you all for being here. Wel come, What's Vernon
Speaker 1: Live from the four Seasons in Beverly Hills, but the one,
Speaker 1: the only, the Hall of Famer, mister Tracy McGrady. Welcome, sir.
Speaker 2: It's a pleasure. We haven't done this in a while. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's been a while.
Speaker 1: Back again, like we never left it.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: Good to see you Showtime family. Always nice to have
Speaker 1: you in the building in Los Angeles. And it's funny
Speaker 1: you have been everywhere doing everything. You were just in China, right.
Speaker 1: I try to explain to people how crazy it is
Speaker 1: for you and some of the other players who go
Speaker 1: back in China, but I don't think I do it justice.
Speaker 1: Can you explain how the people are when you're there.
Speaker 3: I think it's like it's like, you know, they elevate
Speaker 3: you to like rock star status. Right, you show up
Speaker 3: to the airport and there's just thousands of people waiting
Speaker 3: for you at the airport. I was just telling them
Speaker 3: outside while I was there. You know, although I've been
Speaker 3: out of the game, I think what ten years, you know,
Speaker 3: being over there in China, they just open back up.
Speaker 3: So this is my first trip and you know, first
Speaker 3: first trip in probably about four years.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So in my hotel, I'm in my room and when
Speaker 3: I every time I come outside of my room, like
Speaker 3: these fans are on my floor. And these these fans
Speaker 3: actually sleep in this stairwell on of my floor waiting
Speaker 3: for me every time I come out.
Speaker 2: And this is you know, they have friends at the hotel.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, the words spread and it's it's just,
Speaker 3: you know, they don't mean any harm. They just you know,
Speaker 3: they are fans. They're huge fans, and they just want
Speaker 3: to see And my name over there is Mighty. So
Speaker 3: every time I come out of my.
Speaker 2: Room, Mighty, Mighty, Mighty. We've been here for twenty four
Speaker 2: hours waiting for you. Mighty like it.
Speaker 3: And and you know it's so uncomfortable for me, you know,
Speaker 3: having someone being obsessed with me like that.
Speaker 1: I just you look, think you're doing okay. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna lie.
Speaker 3: No, I don't like it, rajol, I promise you I
Speaker 3: really don't.
Speaker 1: And then you've got your four kids in the back
Speaker 1: here who were like, yeah, whatever, he can you got
Speaker 1: people sleeping in the stairwell to be near you and
Speaker 1: your kids learn you know when.
Speaker 3: I take them over there, there are stars as well. Okay, nice,
Speaker 3: so they think there's somebody when they go over there
Speaker 3: take fishes and sign autographs.
Speaker 1: I love it. And you're working on the ones Basketball League,
Speaker 1: which is one of my favorite projects. You and I
Speaker 1: talked about this in the fall, and this is a
Speaker 1: one on one basketball league, which is genius and you
Speaker 1: get the behind the seeing stories of the guys, showtimes
Speaker 1: putting together the documentary.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so my one on one league is really just
Speaker 3: perfect timing because it's like, you know, I didn't create
Speaker 3: anything new. It's been around for quite some time in
Speaker 3: other companies. It's trying to really you know, pull this off.
Speaker 3: But I think, you know, it was just the timing
Speaker 3: for me and starting this. And then I think the
Speaker 3: way that you know, I structured my league with the
Speaker 3: rules and the statics of how I really you know,
Speaker 3: had it stage. I think, telling the stories of the players,
Speaker 3: it's just a really everything that you know goes into
Speaker 3: any sports league, whether it's the NBA, Major League Baseball.
Speaker 3: I think, you know, that's what we're modeling the one
Speaker 3: on one basketball league off. Whether it's ticket sales, is merchandise,
Speaker 3: is viewership. I mean, we're doing all of that and
Speaker 3: giving kids the opportunity that you know, maybe on their
Speaker 3: journey of becoming whether it's college basketball players, they wanted
Speaker 3: to play pro that it didn't work out for these guys.
Speaker 3: So we're giving them a platform to showcase their ability,
Speaker 3: to showcase case their skills and let the world know
Speaker 3: who these guys are. So it's just not a domestic thing,
Speaker 3: like we're taking this thing global.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: I love it, professor, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean I said, you're still doing your thing out there,
Speaker 3: and you know why you're here. I'm proud of you, man,
Speaker 3: because a lot of guys will let their dream fade
Speaker 3: away and you continue to You found your lane and
Speaker 3: you're mastering that ship. I see you, I see you,
Speaker 3: and I appreciate that. So you know, keep going, bro
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 1: Very nice, very nice. Who's the best sort of guy
Speaker 1: in the NBA who you think would adapt to one
Speaker 1: on one lake?
Speaker 2: I think we had.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of guys in the league that you
Speaker 3: know are great one on one players, you know, and
Speaker 3: one on one basketball it's so difficult, like you gotta
Speaker 3: be wired differently. And I was telling my guys, like,
Speaker 3: you know, when I asked this question, I pose these
Speaker 3: questions to like my AAU kids. They all think, and
Speaker 3: I know Lebron is older, but you know, I tell
Speaker 3: these kids, like Lebron is the best player in the NBA,
Speaker 3: but he won't be the best one on one player,
Speaker 3: and one if the NBA had a one on one league,
Speaker 3: I don't think Broun comes out of it. I just
Speaker 3: think there's.
Speaker 1: Because he's thirty eight, or because.
Speaker 3: Even in his prime. You know, I think there are
Speaker 3: guys that are have better one on one skills, right,
Speaker 3: but if we're talking nowadays, I mean I look at
Speaker 3: like Kyrie as Kyrie is definitely one of those guys.
Speaker 3: Paul George to me as a one on one type player,
Speaker 3: Dame Lillard one on one like all the small guards.
Speaker 1: So yeah, an All Star game near you? Maybe, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm still going to try to get this
Speaker 1: concept to the NBA because.
Speaker 2: They needed for what I witnessed this year, what we
Speaker 2: all witness this year.
Speaker 1: I got to get to a little news because this
Speaker 1: is your guy, Bob Myers, who is your former agent,
Speaker 1: announced today that he is leaving the Golden State Wars.
Speaker 2: What am I.
Speaker 1: Giving you some news? Like like we're breaking news today?
Speaker 1: I mean, it just happened in the last hour. Really really,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: You're full of surprises. Wow, I'm shocked by that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, tip tip my hat to to to Bob. He
Speaker 3: had a hell of a run.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I don't think he gets a lot of credit because
Speaker 3: how great Steph and Clay and those guys been.
Speaker 2: But he drafted them.
Speaker 3: He drafted that and put that team together with Draymond,
Speaker 3: Steph Clay. He drafted those guys. Four championships later. I
Speaker 3: tipped my hat off. He had a hell of a run.
Speaker 3: What's next, Bob?
Speaker 1: That's a good question, that's the question. The entire MPN
Speaker 1: is as Game two time Executive the year four titles.
Speaker 3: Let's see, Lebron is about to retire here soon, Las
Speaker 3: Vegas wants a team, Bob Myers. Maybe he's setting himself
Speaker 3: up for Lebron being an owner in Las Vegas.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, by the way, do you believe Lebron saying he
Speaker 1: wants to think about retiring?
Speaker 2: No? Hell no, I mean no, not at all, not
Speaker 2: at all. I ain't buy it at all.
Speaker 1: What do you think that was?
Speaker 3: That was to take a little bit of heat off
Speaker 3: of them losing to you know, That's why I just
Speaker 3: think it was probably take a little bit of heat
Speaker 3: off of them them losing that series.
Speaker 1: I felt like it was also just in the moment.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, at the end of a tough Nay.
Speaker 2: He's tired, man, That's what I was about to say.
Speaker 2: And he was tired. He's thirty eight years old. But
Speaker 2: trust me, he don't feel that way today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was in a moment, all right. So he
Speaker 1: and Bob Myer's not teaming up quite just yet, not yet.
Speaker 3: You know, Bronnie has what a year or two before
Speaker 3: he enters. He's gonna play with his son, I feel,
Speaker 3: but that'll be one year and then lebron will be
Speaker 3: an owner, like yeah, right off in the sunset.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but you remember near the end of your career,
Speaker 1: those there's days you just don't feel like doing it anymore.
Speaker 3: Listen, you know mine was different that you know, at
Speaker 3: least he could ride off on his own.
Speaker 2: For me, it was just health. It was health.
Speaker 1: But in the end it might be health for him too,
Speaker 1: I mean, and more injuries in this year than he's
Speaker 1: ever had.
Speaker 3: Eventually twenty years, there's gotta be something something hurt on.
Speaker 2: This man body.
Speaker 1: Because it goes a long way.
Speaker 3: We'll have to see if he ends up in year eleven,
Speaker 3: twenty years.
Speaker 2: He's now starting to feel.
Speaker 1: Now, I starting to feel it, you know, man, it's
Speaker 1: blessed there you go. Did you watch the Celtics heat game?
Speaker 1: I did? I did, all right, So give me your
Speaker 1: just overall impression.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm faoroughly impressed what Miami has been able to do,
Speaker 3: you know, having to play in the playing game, when
Speaker 3: that first series, and to make it to the Eastern
Speaker 3: Conference finals when Tyler herro Is, one of their main scores,
Speaker 3: is out. I think what sposure in the Miami he
Speaker 3: did was incredible. And I was just acting these guys
Speaker 3: who they think, and they was like Miami, And I'm
Speaker 3: saying to myself, there is no way, hell Miami is
Speaker 3: about to be Denver. Not with the best players. Yokis
Speaker 3: is the best player in the league, right and I
Speaker 3: think he's BAM's gonna have his work cut out for him.
Speaker 3: I just think they have a little bit too much firepower.
Speaker 3: But going I can't count Miami out for what the
Speaker 3: role that they're on and and and what I've been
Speaker 3: seeing from them.
Speaker 2: It really just takes me.
Speaker 3: To the way they draft or the way they select
Speaker 3: their talent right. And I don't know how many undrafted players.
Speaker 1: They have free undrafted players, and all.
Speaker 3: These guys have major rotations right with with within their
Speaker 3: their system. I think having undrafted players, they have so
Speaker 3: much to prove, right, and they understand that. And I think,
Speaker 3: you know, with with pat Riley, with Spoe, with the
Speaker 3: message that they send to these guys, and they're understanding
Speaker 3: of receiving that message and going out and just giving
Speaker 3: everything they possibly can for the organization because they gave
Speaker 3: them an opportunity. You can't find that. Whereas you draft
Speaker 3: the kid in the first round, he's guaranteed. These guys
Speaker 3: are not guaranteed on the contract. So they are fighting.
Speaker 3: They're gonna fight, they're gonna scrap, they're gonna do everything
Speaker 3: they possibly can. And we're seeing that, We're Whitney seeing
Speaker 3: these guys, you know, take advantage of that opportunity, but
Speaker 3: also the information that they're getting from you know, unbelievable guys,
Speaker 3: I mean pat Riley and Eric Sposure. I mean that
Speaker 3: it's receiving well and I can't believe what I'm seeing
Speaker 3: from those guys.
Speaker 1: Did you have the play on a team or against
Speaker 1: a team that had that strength of will that was
Speaker 1: just so sort of like that wall or shit.
Speaker 2: San Antonio have that every year. Yeah, every single year.
Speaker 3: Right, they bring in those type of guys, whether they're
Speaker 3: guys from overseas where they're undrafted, second round guys. They
Speaker 3: it's just a well alle machine, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well now they're bringing in a pretty big name
Speaker 1: from overseas, Victor Weapon.
Speaker 2: Yes, they are.
Speaker 1: You played for Pop? What do you think of I
Speaker 1: was out there, you played Pop. You're on the bench
Speaker 1: that he was on TI Mac doesn't like to talk
Speaker 1: about the fact that he was on a team that
Speaker 1: went to the finals.
Speaker 2: Listen, you know how I am.
Speaker 3: I'm a competitor, right, So if I show up to
Speaker 3: a team that's you know, destined to win a championship
Speaker 3: and I had no contribution to that, like it, I
Speaker 3: don't feel a part of that.
Speaker 1: Well, I will maintain you're selling yourself short there. But
Speaker 1: you were around the organization and the team and the
Speaker 1: fact that this highly highly touted I mean really the
Speaker 1: most highly touted prospect since Lebron James is going to
Speaker 1: San Antonio and Pop. What do you think of that?
Speaker 1: In the sort of education he's going to get there.
Speaker 1: Tim Donkans already said he's gonna be around.
Speaker 3: First of all, let's talk about this like this is
Speaker 3: what nobody talk about. And I've seen this shit like
Speaker 3: during the season, right, I said to my friends back home.
Speaker 3: I was like, do y'all see what San Antonio Spurs
Speaker 3: are doing? Like it was so quiet, it was so quiet,
Speaker 3: and it was clear of what.
Speaker 2: They were doing.
Speaker 1: Quiet tanking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, quiet tanking.
Speaker 3: No one and no one said anything about them taking
Speaker 3: when teams are tinking.
Speaker 2: You hear it?
Speaker 3: And where at all the sports show, right, no one
Speaker 3: said anything about this, and you know, rewarding him with
Speaker 3: the the number one pick. I think this kid is
Speaker 3: going to be very very good in the league. Being
Speaker 3: seven ones like a combination with Kyrie handles, with Kevin
Speaker 3: Durant type shooting nobility. He has to get stronger, right,
Speaker 3: I do think that, And I think I hope he's
Speaker 3: healthy because I've seen it before. Pauzingis was like this, right,
Speaker 3: but he has some tall link. He can play, can
Speaker 3: put the ball on the floor, can create his own shot,
Speaker 3: can shoot the three ball, can post uff like he
Speaker 3: did it all. I just hope he stays healthy and
Speaker 3: you know what, Pop, you know what you're going to get.
Speaker 3: I mean, we're talking about one of the greatest coaches
Speaker 3: of all time, so the teaching is definitely gonna be there.
Speaker 1: Well, look those San Antonio teams you're talking about, with
Speaker 1: that strength of will, that believe a bunch of guys
Speaker 1: who maybe you had to be a little bit more scrappy.
Speaker 1: They still had Tim Duncan or they still had David Robinson.
Speaker 1: This Heat team does not have some like elite number
Speaker 1: one overall pick. They've got Jimmy Butler, They've got Kyle Lowry,
Speaker 1: They've got scrappers. Scrappers, Yes, guys.
Speaker 3: See, they have scrappers. They have mentally tough guys. They
Speaker 3: have guys that master their roles. They have guys that
Speaker 3: when one guy goes down, they fill in that void, right,
Speaker 3: And the number one thing that I see from them
Speaker 3: is they when a guy goes down, they could fill
Speaker 3: that void, but they don't have a problem when that
Speaker 3: guy comes back and they go back to their original role.
Speaker 3: You know how tough that is. That you get the
Speaker 3: opportunity to get a bigger role and you know you
Speaker 3: have to go back. That is extremely tough for player,
Speaker 3: just like I'm showing you that I could give you more,
Speaker 3: but it's not about that. It's a sacrifice that you know,
Speaker 3: we all have to have when you're part of a team.
Speaker 3: That's just what it is. And that's just Look where
Speaker 3: they're at playing for championships.
Speaker 1: And Tyler Hero may come back for a Game three
Speaker 1: as the target. They're saying, so they might situation you
Speaker 1: were talking about might happen exactly well, and.
Speaker 3: I'm sure he's a smart guy, so I'm sure he's
Speaker 3: not gonna be throwing in the fire like that. You know,
Speaker 3: these guys are rolling right now, So he's going to
Speaker 3: be the one that has to sacrifice.
Speaker 1: To adjust for sure. Before we leave the game they
Speaker 1: just played though, Look it was the begining in the game,
Speaker 1: Boston was coming on strong. Jason Tatum gets hurt right
Speaker 1: at the start, turns his ankle. How big a factor
Speaker 1: do you think that is? And what happened or do
Speaker 1: you think the heat We're gonna win that game no
Speaker 1: matter what the way Boston was playing.
Speaker 3: I really truly believe Boston was going to win that game.
Speaker 3: You know, with Jason Tatum going now is just a
Speaker 3: shell of himself couldn't, you know. And I think it
Speaker 3: put too much pressure showing Jayalen Brown to have to
Speaker 3: do more, and.
Speaker 2: He fell short. Their team fell short.
Speaker 3: It's just everything got, you know, thrown out a whack
Speaker 3: when he twisted at ankle. He really couldn't do much,
Speaker 3: wasn't explosive, couldn't create for his teammates. It was just
Speaker 3: one of them things. But the mental toughness, though, I
Speaker 3: go back to this all the time, the mental toughness
Speaker 3: that Miami showed. Do you know how demoralizing it is
Speaker 3: when you lose the way they lost in Game six?
Speaker 3: Like just Antonio, sir, I've seen it. I felt it.
Speaker 3: I went into Game seven like, man, no where in
Speaker 3: hell were about to win this game. I'm sitting on
Speaker 3: the bench. I wasn't contributing, I'm sitting on the bench,
Speaker 3: and I.
Speaker 1: Just felt the yellow ropes in Miami right.
Speaker 3: Yes, this was after that ray Ellen shot and just
Speaker 3: being around the guys. Yeah, you felt confident that they
Speaker 3: were gonna come out and play and compete.
Speaker 2: But I was like, nah, that we're done. There's no
Speaker 2: way we're gonna win that.
Speaker 3: And but Miami last night, I felt the same way
Speaker 3: I'm telling my guys like, this is going to be
Speaker 3: a blowout. There's no way they're going to be able
Speaker 3: to get up for this this cover and man, the
Speaker 3: mental toughness and the leadership that they displayed last night
Speaker 3: was incredible.
Speaker 2: I'll blowout.
Speaker 1: Well, look, Boston helped them out by jacking up threes
Speaker 1: what half a second into the shot clock half the time.
Speaker 1: I'm exaggerating, but only by a little bit. The Celtics
Speaker 1: were nine of forty two for the game on threes
Speaker 1: over twelve.
Speaker 2: They started the game. Oh yeah, over twelve.
Speaker 3: That's that's almost like who did that a few years
Speaker 3: ago into Western Coast side?
Speaker 2: Was it the Rockets? Whatever? Yeah? Over twenty s yes,
Speaker 2: how the hell you go over twenty seven? Oh for
Speaker 2: twenty so you can hit one of them, just one
Speaker 2: over twenty seven.
Speaker 3: At what point you, as a coach, hey, guys, stop
Speaker 3: shooting threes. Let's just get to basket, Let's get to
Speaker 3: foul line, mirror.
Speaker 2: Stop shoot.
Speaker 1: So that's my question, isn't on the players or the
Speaker 1: coach at that point?
Speaker 2: This both?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think it's both.
Speaker 3: You know, you got a young coach, you know he's
Speaker 3: in over his head. This is you know, we're this
Speaker 3: is Boston we're talking about, right, they hang up banners.
Speaker 3: So this is a lot of pressure on a young coach.
Speaker 3: And then you got these guys that have been here before.
Speaker 3: You can't It's just it was a tough situation for
Speaker 3: him to be in. But yeah, that was that was
Speaker 3: a bad, bad outing body. I'm just shooting all those
Speaker 3: threes and not getting to the basket. But you thought
Speaker 3: they would learn their lessons from last year.
Speaker 1: Just keep going and you can get closer to the basket.
Speaker 1: You don't have to be from all the way out there.
Speaker 1: They let you go in. They let you go in
Speaker 1: the pane. It's exciting.
Speaker 2: But you know, I think what exciting Miami Miami was.
Speaker 3: You know, Miami did a hell of a job of
Speaker 3: implementing the zone. Yes, that was throwing them off.
Speaker 2: And they still you know, they surprise.
Speaker 1: Miami has been playing zone the entire series and also
Speaker 1: the entire playoffs and also throughout the season.
Speaker 2: They didn't figure it out.
Speaker 1: It's not that figure out to know that that's going
Speaker 1: to happen. That's not to take anything away from Miami.
Speaker 1: And by the way, I think Joe Missoula will be
Speaker 1: the coach of the Boston Celtics next year. That is
Speaker 1: just my opinion. We obviously will have to wait and see.
Speaker 1: I don't see Brad Stevens wanting that team to have
Speaker 1: its fourth coach in four years. And also, he knew
Speaker 1: what he was getting when he picked him. He picked him,
Speaker 1: he knew he was getting a young coach. Eric Spolscher
Speaker 1: was once a young coach making some of those young
Speaker 1: rookie mistakes too. So I don't know. I feel like
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people in Boston calling for Joe
Speaker 1: Mizoula to get fired, but I don't.
Speaker 2: See it as Boston.
Speaker 3: You know, they if they're not hanging up any banners,
Speaker 3: everybody needs to be fired. If they want to trade
Speaker 3: Jalen Brown, they want to do all this stuff, They're crazy.
Speaker 3: There is no way I'm getting rid of Jaylen Brown.
Speaker 1: Okay, So this is my question, right, Brown and Tatum
Speaker 1: both Look this duo has made the conference finals four times.
Speaker 1: They were a head by a game in the NBA
Speaker 1: Finals last year. They both made all NBA. They're both
Speaker 1: due supermax extensions. Total will be six hundred million dollars
Speaker 1: over the next couple of seasons. That you will start
Speaker 1: paying those guys. Jalen Brown is up first. I know
Speaker 1: anytime you say current money to a former player, it's
Speaker 1: just painful. I know, between the two.
Speaker 2: Of them, between two players.
Speaker 1: Between the two of them, Yes, two hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: five point six million dollars is the max extension that
Speaker 1: Jalen Brown can sign this summer.
Speaker 2: How many years? Five years?
Speaker 1: Five years? And this is a man who by the way,
Speaker 1: and by the way, I'm gonna tell you that I
Speaker 1: think that the Celtics should do this. But I'm also
Speaker 1: going to point out that he had eight turnovers and
Speaker 1: shot eight for twenty three in Game seven. He has
Speaker 1: had a rough turnover playoffs in general, fifty eight turnovers
Speaker 1: to sixty three as this throughout the postseason. But if
Speaker 1: you have Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum, and as they said,
Speaker 1: they've got you to four conference finals, they've gotten you
Speaker 1: to an NBA finals, right, you keep them?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Hell? Yeah, you keep that, You keep that? This what
Speaker 2: twenty five and twenty six year olds? How would you
Speaker 2: get rid of that? I don't understand.
Speaker 3: Why would you get rid of two guys that have,
Speaker 3: you know, played for NBA championship, right, went to four
Speaker 3: Eastern Conference finals. Yeah, come on, at some point, these
Speaker 3: guys are gonna raise a banner, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Lebron is on his way out, Steph is getting older
Speaker 3: like the KD, and those guys are getting older. These
Speaker 3: guys are twenty five and twenty six years old. You're
Speaker 3: not gonna find a better duo than these two.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can look around the league and say
Speaker 1: I like Kevin Duranton dem Booker, I can they're older.
Speaker 3: KD is thirty five, Yeah, they're older. Jimmy Butler is
Speaker 3: how old?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: And Jimmy Butler's played for a finals, He's been to
Speaker 3: East Eastern Compass finals. Now he's playing for another championship
Speaker 3: at what thirty two thirty three years old?
Speaker 1: And plus he had Tibodou years on him those right.
Speaker 3: Right, So no, you don't know, you ride this out,
Speaker 3: ride it out.
Speaker 2: They're gonna hang banners.
Speaker 1: So you think that the Celtics will end up.
Speaker 2: I think they need to improve around them, But no,
Speaker 2: you keep that core.
Speaker 1: You can't forget too. Malcolm Brogden was the sixth Man
Speaker 1: of the Year and he was injured, so you know
Speaker 1: that was a big factor. In the series as well,
Speaker 1: and certainly in that Game seven you could see he
Speaker 1: just didn't have it right at the game last night.
Speaker 3: So I think they need better interior play. But those
Speaker 3: two Marcus smart rodnin No way, I'm getting rid of that.
Speaker 1: All right. And look, they can sign him to the
Speaker 1: deal and they have a year with him, and then
Speaker 1: after that he becomes trade eligible. So if you really,
Speaker 1: if it doesn't work out, somebody will want to make
Speaker 1: a deal for him. But I would sign him.
Speaker 2: Check.
Speaker 3: You know, shit, there was only two teams playing in
Speaker 3: the Eastern Conference.
Speaker 2: Why would you break that up? I don't understand that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Look, now we're going to move on to
Speaker 1: the NBA Finals. Nuggets hosting the heat first finals ever
Speaker 1: for Denver, which is kind of hard to believe really
Speaker 1: when you think about all the different times they've around.
Speaker 3: You know, y'all suck. They had to go through the
Speaker 3: Lakers made at the time, I know.
Speaker 1: But look, they've got the They've been the most steady
Speaker 1: team this postseason, no question, They've got the toughest player
Speaker 1: to solve. And by the way, people, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it's not the most celebrated beef in the NBA, but
Speaker 1: there's some sneaky beef there, right, Let's see twenty twenty
Speaker 1: one was the member Joka took the shot on Markis Morris,
Speaker 1: and then the entire right, the entire Heat team is
Speaker 1: basically in the hallway waiting outside the Neckers locker room.
Speaker 1: That photo was incredible. And then in the bubble you've
Speaker 1: seen the clip maybe over the last couple of days,
Speaker 1: is Kyle Lowry and Aaron Gordon getting into it. And Kyle,
Speaker 1: of course is like, my hotel room number is such
Speaker 1: and such, Come come get me. That's what happens when
Speaker 1: you're all staying at the same hotel for the NBA Finals.
Speaker 3: But I honestly didn't see this from either team.
Speaker 1: I mean, I really think they were not the favorites
Speaker 1: on either side.
Speaker 2: Really didn't. I honestly didn't see Denver getting past the Lakers.
Speaker 3: And here's why. Here's why I knew they were the
Speaker 3: better team, right. I just didn't think. I thought that
Speaker 3: Lebron and that Lakers mistique was gonna overcome anything that
Speaker 3: Denver had.
Speaker 2: I really thought that. I thought it was gonna be
Speaker 2: so tough.
Speaker 3: For them, But you know they shut that down. Jokic.
Speaker 3: Let me tell y'all something. This dude is so fucking
Speaker 3: good man, straight up, Like, I haven't seen anything like him.
Speaker 3: Where he passes, you got a seven foot seven to
Speaker 3: one center bringing up the ball, initiating the offense.
Speaker 2: Everything goes through him and pass.
Speaker 3: It is amazing, the passes that he makes from one
Speaker 3: side of the courts the other, on time and on target,
Speaker 3: the bounce passes in between defenses. You can't guard him
Speaker 3: on the post because he's too big. He can't jump
Speaker 3: over a dollar bill. He rebounds. He is amazing.
Speaker 2: He like, if there is one purpose, one guy I
Speaker 2: would want to I would love to play. He's a problem.
Speaker 2: I mean he's a problem.
Speaker 3: Like he he's like Jason Kidd as a point guard,
Speaker 3: Like those guys don't have to score to affect the game.
Speaker 1: But he also scored.
Speaker 2: But he can score.
Speaker 1: He shoots a three.
Speaker 2: What can he do? He can't jump up, he can't jump.
Speaker 2: He can't jump. And like you see how big he is.
Speaker 3: There's no muscle definition on him, and he's just wearing
Speaker 3: you down.
Speaker 2: And he's strong. And I love him. I love him.
Speaker 2: I don't even know what other words is. I love
Speaker 2: him as a basketball player.
Speaker 1: I don't understand why more people aren't into watching Nicolo
Speaker 1: play because he's a beautiful game. It's exciting, it's fun
Speaker 1: to watch him play. I don't know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: He's super creative. Why do you think he hasn't been
Speaker 1: more popular.
Speaker 2: He's in different so let's be honest. It's the same way.
Speaker 3: You know Damian Lillard, like the stuff that he does
Speaker 3: night in and night out is in Portland, Like those
Speaker 3: guys played Late at Night, they're on the West coast,
Speaker 3: like you know, I'm sorry, but he's in New York somewhere,
Speaker 3: or I mean somewhere on the East coast. One of
Speaker 3: those scenes, they'll be a different story. But hey man,
Speaker 3: he's putting people on notice now right because I think
Speaker 3: he's on the version of winning his first championship and
Speaker 3: he's gonna be the m v P.
Speaker 2: Dam damn. I feel sorry for you, bad boy.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're gonna try to protect him, right, They're
Speaker 1: gonna throw Kevin Love out there on your kitchen.
Speaker 3: He's gonna send Kevin into retirement, like this is Kevin Love.
Speaker 3: His as is about to be out of here. Fucking
Speaker 3: with what with yo kics telling you that kid is.
Speaker 3: He's everything I love in the basketball player.
Speaker 1: All Right, So I'm gonna ask you about sort of
Speaker 1: who has the edge and the bigs I already know, right,
Speaker 1: gets at the edge?
Speaker 3: Okay, hands down? All right, that's like ten to five. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I love Bam though, but he's messing. He's dealing with
Speaker 3: problem a lot. Yeah, ahead of him?
Speaker 1: All right? What about guards, Peter Nuggets.
Speaker 3: Jamal Murray looks like he's back at the bubbles. He
Speaker 3: has some flashes of that. I still gotta go with Denver.
Speaker 3: You know, casep has been having a great postseason as well,
Speaker 3: defensively at offensive Defensively, he's shooting the ball at three
Speaker 3: and D. Guy again, Jamal Murray is playing spectacular basketball.
Speaker 3: Not to take anything away from Vincent and Strews, but
Speaker 3: I like those two guys.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question about Jamal Murray because
Speaker 1: I asked him this in the last round and he
Speaker 1: couldn't quite answer it for me. Well, yeah, because it's
Speaker 1: about when a player gets hot, a scorer gets hot? Right,
Speaker 1: what is the said? Yes, he can answer that right,
Speaker 1: run in the crowd. Oh yeah, he can answer that.
Speaker 1: You be the most qualified person on the earth to
Speaker 1: answer this actually, since you have gotten the hottest in
Speaker 1: the shortenestcount of time in NBA history, what is that?
Speaker 1: Because Jamal Murray is definitely don't want to call him
Speaker 1: streaky because he's good all the time and really since
Speaker 1: he came back from the DCL, I think that's what
Speaker 1: people forget when they call him like, oh, he's like
Speaker 1: the bubble, Like yeah, because he an eco injury in between,
Speaker 1: so like this is back to who he is. That
Speaker 1: being said, sometimes he's very good and then sometimes he
Speaker 1: is actually on literal fire. What is it about shooters
Speaker 1: that that happens with you guys? What with the mechanics?
Speaker 3: I think it is Obviously it's a feeling, right, It's
Speaker 3: a feeling, and it not only a feeling. But it's
Speaker 3: crazy to think that we are extremely confident basketball players.
Speaker 2: Yes, right, But.
Speaker 3: It fluctuates within a game, okay, you know, because some
Speaker 3: days you just feel like you don't have it right.
Speaker 3: I mean you could chump up, chunk up as many
Speaker 3: shots as you can. It's just like man like.
Speaker 2: They feel good.
Speaker 3: But you know what you say is a make a mislake.
Speaker 3: I think in some moments though throughout the course of
Speaker 3: a game, your confidence you could be could be confident,
Speaker 3: but I think it rises when you make whether a
Speaker 3: difficult shot or you get consecutive shots, like you just
Speaker 3: don't know when it comes. It could comes making a
Speaker 3: defensive play, you get alley hoop or a dunk. But
Speaker 3: when you feel that at that particular moment, your confidence
Speaker 3: went from you know, one level to the next, and
Speaker 3: then it's like you feel like you can't be stopped.
Speaker 3: And it's as crazy as it sounds, like, why you
Speaker 3: didn't feel that way before?
Speaker 1: That's just hard from the outside to understand.
Speaker 2: I can't explain it. It's science. I don't know what
Speaker 2: the hell out of shit. I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's it's a feeling.
Speaker 1: You feel it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a feeling, That's all it is. You know,
Speaker 3: it's a feeling. And you know, once we get that,
Speaker 3: we stay in that mode. Right, certain guys can stay
Speaker 3: in that mode once they get that.
Speaker 1: I mean, we know the most famous instance of you
Speaker 1: doing that. But if you had like runs where it's
Speaker 1: been games weeks type of thing where you just feel
Speaker 1: like I'm hitting everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I've been on a role for about thirty
Speaker 3: games where I just felt like you know everything that
Speaker 3: I threw up was going to go in because I was.
Speaker 2: I was confident.
Speaker 3: And what I don't understand about some players in the league,
Speaker 3: Like if I have a forty five fifty point game
Speaker 3: and I like it's efficient game where I play like really, well,
Speaker 3: I don't know how guys come back the next game
Speaker 3: and they have like twelve points. I'm still as confident
Speaker 3: even though it's another day. It was when I walked
Speaker 3: off that floor when I had that forty five or
Speaker 3: fifty point game, like, I'm still that com Well.
Speaker 1: That's the difference between you who has made the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame and guys who haven't. So there you go. Well,
Speaker 1: I know that the heat better not let Jamal feel
Speaker 1: that way because when he gets hot, he gets hot,
Speaker 1: and he is the kind of guy who carries it
Speaker 1: over from game to game. So we saw that in
Speaker 1: the earlier in the playoffs. What about the wings heater nuggets.
Speaker 3: I think Jimmy is gonna have his work cut out
Speaker 3: for him because now you're dealing with you know, Aaron Gordon,
Speaker 3: like six 'ten extremely athletic, right strong, and that's gonna
Speaker 3: be his greatest assignment is to slow down Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 3: I think Jimmy Butler is such a cerebral player he'll
Speaker 3: be able to figure it out from.
Speaker 2: Gaining the game.
Speaker 3: But it's gonna be challenging, right because now you got
Speaker 3: to do a little bit more, right because these guys
Speaker 3: have better scores, they have the best player in basketball, right,
Speaker 3: they they're efficient than a Boston.
Speaker 2: Team that you guys play. So yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Like the matchup, but I think Jimmy will probably struggle
Speaker 3: because of the length, the size, the strength of those guys.
Speaker 1: Jimmy got some open threes in that game seven against
Speaker 1: the Celtics that I do not anticipate him getting against Denver.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna mump him around a lot more.
Speaker 1: But look, the Heat as a team shot more than
Speaker 1: fifty three out of the seven games from three in
Speaker 1: this seven game series, So they shot more than fifty
Speaker 1: out of eighty two games during the regular season.
Speaker 2: You know what bothers me about today's game, And it
Speaker 2: really really bothers me when I watch these games.
Speaker 3: Man, even going back to like last year how Boston
Speaker 3: played Steph. There is no way in hell that if
Speaker 3: I'm coming off the pick and roll. Gelani McCoy guarding
Speaker 3: the pick and roll is gonna be back. When I
Speaker 3: come off of pick and roll, he's gonna drop.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: We're talking about the greatest shooter ever in Steph Curry,
Speaker 2: and that's how they was playing him last year.
Speaker 3: That's how they played pick and rolls. They you come
Speaker 3: off of pick and roll and the big man has
Speaker 3: dropped like what I couldn't imagine playing in today's game.
Speaker 1: I mean we saw that last night.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't understand it. These guys are great shooters, man,
Speaker 3: bring you a big man up, like, get the ball
Speaker 3: out of some of these great players' hands. Make somebody
Speaker 3: else make a play. It bothers me when I watch
Speaker 3: some of these defenses.
Speaker 1: Well, that's what the Lakers tried to do with Steph, right,
Speaker 1: is that the Anthony Davis actually came out and bothered
Speaker 1: him and Steph kept taking steps back. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: how they got past him. And that's serious.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I know a little something about that.
Speaker 1: Will something, well something will something something. Zone defense has
Speaker 1: been a big part of the Heats attack here we
Speaker 1: talked about in the last series and you should know
Speaker 1: what to expect it. But Denver is actually eating up
Speaker 1: the zone the times that they've played and Sposters pulled
Speaker 1: that out.
Speaker 2: So I don't know why Jokic. When you when you
Speaker 2: have the idea of breaking a zone is to get
Speaker 2: the ball in the middle of the court.
Speaker 3: Right, you get the ball in the middle, it's you're
Speaker 3: going to dismantle the zone because now you got shooting
Speaker 3: and wing got shooting this wing right when you get
Speaker 3: the ball to Jokic, he's such a smart basketball player.
Speaker 3: It's going to make the right play every single time.
Speaker 3: And if they try to do that on dinner, that
Speaker 3: that's going to be a problem.
Speaker 1: That's the thing is that I think that weapon is
Speaker 1: going to get taken away. Now. By the way, Eric
Speaker 1: Spolstra is a great coach. I think that he will
Speaker 1: figure something else out. But Michael Malon's a very good
Speaker 1: coach too.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I mean, but he has joys to put
Speaker 3: him in the middle.
Speaker 1: Right there you go, He's figured out his own.
Speaker 2: But that's the offense.
Speaker 3: You put Jokic in the middle free throw line, throwing
Speaker 3: the ball, your guards and everybody are slicing off, cutting.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of movement that is simple offense. It's
Speaker 2: simple offense, but it's difficult to guard. And when you
Speaker 2: have somebody that can make unbelievable passes, you know, between defenses,
Speaker 2: the wrap around, bounce passes to the basket, like that's
Speaker 2: that's tough.
Speaker 1: Do you think this NBA Finals is going to make
Speaker 1: more of a star out of Yoka? You said he's
Speaker 1: in Denver, that's why, people, But do you think this
Speaker 1: will do it?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 1: Because everything you're describing as you're saying, and I'm like, Oh,
Speaker 1: that's gonna be so fun to watch, that's gonna be
Speaker 1: so funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, I think this will elevate his brand tremendously for sure.
Speaker 1: He doesn't like doing stuff though. I mean, he's kind
Speaker 1: of like Tim Duncan and that he doesn't want to
Speaker 1: do commercials. He doesn't want to go make a bunch
Speaker 1: of appearances. He's got horses back on his farm and
Speaker 1: he likes to be horse racing and carriage racing. I believe,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think really, you know.
Speaker 2: Let's let's find out who this cat is. Where's he from?
Speaker 1: Slovenia? Sorry Serbia, Sorry, I'm I'm I'm Luka don in
Speaker 1: my head? Sorry, sa you go do.
Speaker 3: A story on that man over there, Showtime let's go
Speaker 3: take me over there. Should I ride some horses?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it has to be a big horse, very large horse.
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Speaker 2: So I gotta go with Yokaz.
Speaker 3: I think he's going to average thirty five point triple double. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I honestly think he's gonna average that.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got eight triple doubles in the playoffs already,
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Speaker 1: look at the NBA Finals odds. Now that the matchup
Speaker 1: is set. You walked into this room thinking Denver, the
Speaker 1: guys in the front row, thinking about the heat. Denver
Speaker 1: is at minus three fifty to win the NBA title
Speaker 1: and the heater at plus two eighty. So that is
Speaker 1: a swing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean again, I'm going with Denver. My
Speaker 3: gut is saying, Denver, I can't you can't count behind
Speaker 3: me out. Look more, what they've they've done, you know,
Speaker 3: I mean a team that's you know, together and understands
Speaker 3: their role as well, coached and competes and mentally tough.
Speaker 2: I mean I give them a chance to win.
Speaker 3: I just feel Denver is the better team with the
Speaker 3: better the best player will.
Speaker 1: Win in six games and the whole rest versus russ
Speaker 1: The Nuggets have had ten days off. The numbers are
Speaker 1: on their side if a team has had more than
Speaker 1: five days off and they start the series at home.
Speaker 1: I know that sounds like a lot of ifs, but
Speaker 1: they're eight and one in game one, and they're actually
Speaker 1: eight and one in series overall. So it's just it's
Speaker 1: interesting to look at the heat of Goune and stolen
Speaker 1: game one and every series they played to I.
Speaker 3: Mean, would you rather as a team, would you rather
Speaker 3: have all the rest or would you rather have a
Speaker 3: couple of days off.
Speaker 2: And you know momentum have the momentum. I want the rest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you're old now, so you know the rest
Speaker 1: is good.
Speaker 3: I should have hit it with the diner.
Speaker 1: Some other news around the NBA, Nick Nurse gonna the
Speaker 1: Sixers next head coach. Reports are saying Embiid and Nurse met,
Speaker 1: the meeting work really well, that's gonna be a good
Speaker 1: pairing and Beads had a lot of good things to
Speaker 1: say about Nick's defenses on him in the past, but
Speaker 1: will he have James Harden on that roster as well,
Speaker 1: because there are a lot of rumors about James possibly
Speaker 1: being interested in going back to Houston, where you live.
Speaker 1: That's a great face.
Speaker 2: Really, it doesn't make basketball sense.
Speaker 1: That is not the question.
Speaker 2: What was the question?
Speaker 1: Well the question. I mean, my point is that just
Speaker 1: because it doesn't make basketball sense, it doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: he wouldn't do it. Matt Barnes says that James Harden.
Speaker 2: So what are we saying about James? If it doesn't
Speaker 2: make basketball sense, then what are we saying?
Speaker 1: Right, I'm gonna tell you Matt Barnes's line about James
Speaker 1: is that he really liked doing work in the community
Speaker 1: in Houston.
Speaker 3: He does a lot of great community work, a lot
Speaker 3: of great a lot of yeah, he's he does a
Speaker 3: lot of great.
Speaker 1: Community work, patronizing local businesses.
Speaker 3: No, I think I don't know if Houston has a
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame, but he has multiple hall of fames.
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean in various places.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. No, I mean there's certainly been reporting and
Speaker 1: he has not addressed this directly that much, but it
Speaker 1: does it make stop it okay? Well, that he wasn't
Speaker 1: that happy with his roll in Houston.
Speaker 3: You're trying to go back to Houston and jack up
Speaker 3: thirty threes and just average thirty again and lose. That's
Speaker 3: the question that doesn't make sense. You're on the back
Speaker 3: end of your career. Why are you going backwards? I
Speaker 3: don't understand that James Harden is going to Phoenix.
Speaker 1: Oh you think so boom? You think so boom.
Speaker 3: I just feel again that makes basketball sense. Right, He's
Speaker 3: on the back end of his career and I don't
Speaker 3: know what happened in Philly. If he leaves, I feel
Speaker 3: the best position for him miss Phoenix.
Speaker 2: Him and Chris Paul is older. Toward the end of
Speaker 2: that time, Mark Chris paul.
Speaker 3: Role will be diminished because of his only because of
Speaker 3: his age. James Harden comes in, Chris Paul can be
Speaker 3: a backup. I mean, what better backup would you want
Speaker 3: to have than Chris Paul? Right, because of his health,
Speaker 3: It just makes that makes basketball sense to me.
Speaker 1: Phoenix is interesting. There's certainly a lot of discussion out
Speaker 1: there about them. Maybe trading down Drayden could be good
Speaker 1: for AID and could be good for everybody if they
Speaker 1: can get a little depth back right.
Speaker 2: Disappointed in him, I feel.
Speaker 1: Like maybe he's just not in the right place. Here's
Speaker 1: a guy who grew up in Arizona, played college ball
Speaker 1: in Arizona, with drafted number one overall, has been in Phoenix.
Speaker 1: It's a very small Sometimes you need to leave the nest.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I mean I believe change of scenery would
Speaker 3: be good for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So it's like, who do you get in replace of him? Though,
Speaker 3: That's like you got to make sure somebody is on
Speaker 3: that level.
Speaker 1: We want some depth, right, because that's what got exposed.
Speaker 1: I mean, to me, that's the team that has a
Speaker 1: chance for the most growth.
Speaker 3: I mean, did they get exposed or did they not
Speaker 3: just play guys on the bench, because I mean I've
Speaker 3: seen some guys on that bench that was quite talented
Speaker 3: that should have gotten some minutes. I don't know what
Speaker 3: was up with that, but and not to you know,
Speaker 3: degrade Manti's coaching by any means, so I think he's
Speaker 3: a hell of a coach. But it seemed to me like,
Speaker 3: you know, a few of those guys could have gotten
Speaker 3: some minutes and contributed to you know, didn't play the ball.
Speaker 1: We'll be interesting to see if Monty lands anywhere. You
Speaker 1: were with him in San Antonio. Is that right? He
Speaker 1: was already gone by timate in Orlando's right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's my teav world. Oh my gosh, you
Speaker 3: was there to witness it, right.
Speaker 1: Truth words spoken. Do you think he gets another job?
Speaker 2: Of course?
Speaker 3: You know what I actually think from what I'm seeing
Speaker 3: this off seat, I think.
Speaker 2: The league is going to younger guys.
Speaker 3: Right, you look at Detroit, Detroit, Adrian Griffin, you have
Speaker 3: you got Tyler, you got our guy Chauncey and Portland.
Speaker 3: I think they're going to younger guys to be able
Speaker 3: to relate to these knuckleheads that they're coaching.
Speaker 1: Say tis out to our generation though, so but they're young,
Speaker 1: youngl What do you think of the Jamarant situation? What
Speaker 1: should happen next there?
Speaker 3: Well, obviously there's a suspension, you know, jaws, and people
Speaker 3: want to like go at his friends, like his friends
Speaker 3: didn't this last incident that I'm talking about his friend,
Speaker 3: He didn't do anything wrong.
Speaker 2: He's just on live. His friend didn't have the gun.
Speaker 3: His friend is doing what young kids do their own
Speaker 3: live you know what job, he's just all. I don't
Speaker 3: think he knew he was going to pull out a
Speaker 3: gun right and show that on on on Live. But
Speaker 3: John has to understand the impact that he has, and
Speaker 3: I don't really think he understands that, right being and
Speaker 3: such a great basketball players with the younger generation really
Speaker 3: gravitating and idolizing what he does on the basketball court,
Speaker 3: I think, you know, the guidance and the people around
Speaker 3: him is not really fully helping him understand what he
Speaker 3: means to our game into the community until this younger generation.
Speaker 2: It's just a really really.
Speaker 3: Unfortunate situation because he's one of my favorite right like,
Speaker 3: he's one of my favorite and I just hate to
Speaker 3: see that from him.
Speaker 1: Kind of wanted the next to pick up drum I
Speaker 1: did he still doesna.
Speaker 2: Man if he was in New York, Oh my gods,
Speaker 2: and this happened. Man.
Speaker 3: But you know, hopefully this is a wake up call
Speaker 3: for joh I don't want to jump on him like
Speaker 3: a lot of people because I don't know jall.
Speaker 2: I don't know his upbringing. I don't know any of that.
Speaker 3: I just know, you know, when you are making thirty
Speaker 3: forty million dollars as a what is he twenty three, twenty.
Speaker 2: Four years old?
Speaker 3: I mean, and where he comes from, Like that's a
Speaker 3: lot of pressure on a kid. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: you don't know how to act. You don't properly know
Speaker 3: how to act because you just snak you untouchable. Everybody
Speaker 3: is kissing your ass and telling you this and that
Speaker 3: wherever you go, right And I think he was just
Speaker 3: you know, feeling himself a little bit and just think
Speaker 3: he's untouchable, just like a lot of shit that I
Speaker 3: see out here with a lot of people when they
Speaker 3: have everything going from themselves but you're throwing it away.
Speaker 1: Well, you're someone who came right out of high school,
Speaker 1: you were very young in the NBA, and you had
Speaker 1: a lot of people telling you how wonderful you were.
Speaker 3: Well, I didn't care care for carrying a gun though, Like, well,
Speaker 3: I love to hunt, you know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 3: love hunting.
Speaker 1: But I just mean, like, what is that balance? When
Speaker 1: did you sort of have to have a moment with
Speaker 1: yourself to be like, Okay, I know I've got the
Speaker 1: whole world telling me I'm the ship basically, but I
Speaker 1: need to actually still work hard.
Speaker 2: I was about I.
Speaker 3: I've always stayed dedicated to my craft, right always always.
Speaker 3: I Yeah, did I have fun, absolutely, but I was
Speaker 3: always aware of what I was doing. I was aware
Speaker 3: of what was around me and who I surrounded myself with.
Speaker 3: I've always been like that. Like I moved differently, and
Speaker 3: that was when I was even younger because of my
Speaker 3: environment that I came up in.
Speaker 2: Right, Like I moved.
Speaker 3: Different There was like the ship that I see when
Speaker 3: I was younger. You know where I came from. I
Speaker 3: grew up in Central Florida, and you know it was
Speaker 3: it was one way in, one way out work where
Speaker 3: I grew up. Drug one of the most drug infested
Speaker 3: neighborhoods in Central Florida where I grew.
Speaker 2: Up, and and to you know, be in that.
Speaker 3: I was schooled early by the ogs in my neighborhood
Speaker 3: or what I needed to stay away from. It was
Speaker 3: strictly baseball season. I played baseball. It's basketball season. I
Speaker 3: played basketball, football, I played football. So I stayed busy.
Speaker 3: I stayed away and just stayed busy and active. But
Speaker 3: it was around me, right, But I I knew when
Speaker 3: I became a pro what I needed to do, getting
Speaker 3: the guidance and information from other pros.
Speaker 2: Being around our guy Kobe, Yes, right, he thought differently.
Speaker 1: Yes, I was in front of that yet so he
Speaker 1: thought differently.
Speaker 3: And I think that the greatest thing for me is
Speaker 3: when we took that trip to Paris, Like that that
Speaker 3: was for me moving forward in my career because I
Speaker 3: think I was like nineteen years old at the time
Speaker 3: he was twenty. Being around him from that trip, coming
Speaker 3: out here, staying with him and his family and seeing.
Speaker 2: How he moved that completely.
Speaker 3: Changed my whole mindset and I knew how I needed
Speaker 3: to move more forward. Like I wasn't. I'm in LA
Speaker 3: I'm eighteen, nineteen years old. I'm like, I want to
Speaker 3: go out. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I'm in the league. I want to go party. Let's
Speaker 2: go do this. Let's go chase him.
Speaker 1: Kobe.
Speaker 2: No, let's go chase him.
Speaker 3: Man, Kobe and the has you watching these Michael Jordan videos?
Speaker 3: He watching karate flicks he watched.
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, what that?
Speaker 1: It was?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: No going to the gym six o'clock in the morning
Speaker 3: to work out. He's going later on in the afternoon,
Speaker 3: He's going at night.
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, this is different.
Speaker 1: But we had to tell the Paris story because you're
Speaker 1: talking about a trip to Paris was a night trip,
Speaker 1: right that the two of you were on. Was it Nike?
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Adida, Sorry, I'm just come over here and
Speaker 1: you can.
Speaker 2: Throw a fine see what I'm rocking.
Speaker 1: I understand, I get it, but that's what I was
Speaker 1: gonna say. I'm looking down and the Adidas aren't there.
Speaker 1: But we're going to talk about that on a different day.
Speaker 1: This n Adida's trip. That was very silly to me,
Speaker 1: and uh, you guys were there and you, me and
Speaker 1: Kobe were talking about this. Unfortunately, but the year before
Speaker 1: he passed, but the story was amazing, and he was
Speaker 1: explaining to me how he tried to dupe you. Can
Speaker 1: you tell the people about what happened.
Speaker 2: The roller coaster or did well that's two stories. The gym.
Speaker 1: So he did get you on a roller coaster though,
Speaker 1: which a little ugly.
Speaker 3: All right, all right, so I'm you know, I'm young.
Speaker 3: I think I just completed my my rookie season.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: We go to Paris and we get there. Uh, it's
Speaker 3: in the summertime, so this is when we're back working out.
Speaker 2: So we get there. I tell Kobe I'm about to
Speaker 2: go to the gym.
Speaker 3: And work out, right, and he is looking at me
Speaker 3: like why why?
Speaker 2: Why? For what?
Speaker 3: We in the off season, something like, what are you
Speaker 3: going to work out for? Let's have some fun.
Speaker 2: So I'm looking like I'm respecting him.
Speaker 3: Because it's just Kobe. Right, He's this his second year,
Speaker 3: he's had it. He's coming off an unbelievable year, right
Speaker 3: his second year. So I'm like, okay, you know, I'm
Speaker 3: listening to my guy. So I'm like, but it's not
Speaker 3: making sense to me. So I'm like, go to my
Speaker 3: room and I'm chilling. And I had we both had
Speaker 3: our trainers with us, right, his parents was with us.
Speaker 3: I had my training, he had is. So I got
Speaker 3: to my rooms and relax a little bit. I just
Speaker 3: get antsy. I'm like, nah, I'm about to go work
Speaker 3: out forget this. I go to the gym, fellas ladies.
Speaker 3: Kobe is in there, sweating his ass, all working and
Speaker 3: I'm like, bro, what And he just had this look
Speaker 3: on his face, was like.
Speaker 2: He was just testing me, just tested me.
Speaker 3: And you know, from that moment, I was like, Okay, I.
Speaker 2: Know who I'm dealing with. Like these guys.
Speaker 3: He liked to play games, mind games, just to see
Speaker 3: where you're at. And then we went to the gym
Speaker 3: he was working out, played one on one, and he
Speaker 3: lied about the one on one Gosh.
Speaker 1: Lied about the one on his last his last day.
Speaker 2: They did, they did.
Speaker 3: He told two different stories about that, but no, that
Speaker 3: was I learned a lot from dude.
Speaker 1: Well, John mort obviously has not had that kind of
Speaker 1: influence in his life yet, but I'm sure you know,
Speaker 1: I love.
Speaker 2: To talk to John.
Speaker 3: I really would, because he needs to really understand his
Speaker 3: role and how you know, important he is to the
Speaker 3: culture of basketball and so the youth out here. I mean,
Speaker 3: he has a has a huge impact on these kids
Speaker 3: because wherever I go, I mean I see kids, you know,
Speaker 3: trying to play basketball.
Speaker 2: Like Jill wearing his shoes, wearing his shoes.
Speaker 1: Absolutely excellent. Well, we will look forward to checking back
Speaker 1: in with you as we go here, and especially with
Speaker 1: the OBL which I'm very excited about. It's nice to
Speaker 1: be talking oop with you.
Speaker 2: It's been fun. I like this. This is a nice
Speaker 2: little chat.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Good, we should. We should do it more often.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do this more often when you're older.
Speaker 1: Exactly when I get older. When I get older, I've
Speaker 1: been the same age this whole time.
Speaker 2: There you go.
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