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Speaker 1: Thank you all for being here. Wel come, What's Vernon

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Speaker 1: Live from the four Seasons in Beverly Hills, but the one,

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Speaker 1: the only, the Hall of Famer, mister Tracy McGrady. Welcome, sir.

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Speaker 2: It's a pleasure. We haven't done this in a while. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's been a while.

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Speaker 1: Back again, like we never left it.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: Good to see you Showtime family. Always nice to have

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Speaker 1: you in the building in Los Angeles. And it's funny

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Speaker 1: you have been everywhere doing everything. You were just in China, right.

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Speaker 1: I try to explain to people how crazy it is

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Speaker 1: Can you explain how the people are when you're there.

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Speaker 3: I think it's like it's like, you know, they elevate

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Speaker 3: So this is my first trip and you know, first

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Speaker 3: So in my hotel, I'm in my room and when

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Speaker 2: And this is you know, they have friends at the hotel.

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Speaker 3: to see And my name over there is Mighty. So

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Speaker 3: every time I come out of my.

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Speaker 2: Room, Mighty, Mighty, Mighty. We've been here for twenty four

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Speaker 3: And and you know it's so uncomfortable for me, you know,

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Speaker 1: I just you look, think you're doing okay. I'm not

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Speaker 3: No, I don't like it, rajol, I promise you I

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Speaker 1: And then you've got your four kids in the back

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Speaker 3: I take them over there, there are stars as well. Okay, nice,

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Speaker 1: I love it. And you're working on the ones Basketball League,

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Speaker 1: which is one of my favorite projects. You and I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so my one on one league is really just

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Speaker 3: perfect timing because it's like, you know, I didn't create

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Speaker 3: But I think, you know, it was just the timing

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Speaker 3: So we're giving them a platform to showcase their ability,

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Speaker 1: Very nice, very nice. Who's the best sort of guy

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Speaker 2: They needed for what I witnessed this year, what we

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Speaker 3: What's next, Bob?

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Speaker 3: Let's see, Lebron is about to retire here soon, Las

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Speaker 3: Vegas wants a team, Bob Myers. Maybe he's setting himself

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Speaker 2: Listen, you know how I am.

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Speaker 1: Well, I will maintain you're selling yourself short there. But

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Speaker 3: And where at all the sports show, right, no one

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Speaker 1: Well, look those San Antonio teams you're talking about, with

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Speaker 3: See, they have scrappers. They have mentally tough guys. They

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Speaker 3: just like I'm showing you that I could give you more,

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Speaker 3: but it's not about that. It's a sacrifice that you know,

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Speaker 3: That's just what it is. And that's just Look where

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Speaker 1: And Tyler Hero may come back for a Game three

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Speaker 3: I'm sure he's a smart guy, so I'm sure he's

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Speaker 1: To adjust for sure. Before we leave the game they

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Speaker 3: I really truly believe Boston was going to win that game.

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Speaker 3: You know, with Jason Tatum going now is just a

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Speaker 2: He fell short. Their team fell short.

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Speaker 3: It's just everything got, you know, thrown out a whack

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Speaker 3: Like just Antonio, sir, I've seen it. I felt it.

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Speaker 3: I went into Game seven like, man, no where in

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Speaker 1: Just felt the yellow ropes in Miami right.

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Speaker 3: Yes, this was after that ray Ellen shot and just

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Speaker 2: But I was like, nah, that we're done. There's no

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Speaker 3: And but Miami last night, I felt the same way

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Speaker 2: I'll blowout.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, Boston helped them out by jacking up threes

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Speaker 2: They started the game. Oh yeah, over twelve.

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Speaker 2: Was it the Rockets? Whatever? Yeah? Over twenty s yes,

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Speaker 3: At what point you, as a coach, hey, guys, stop

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Speaker 2: This both?

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Speaker 2: I think it's both.

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Speaker 3: You know, you got a young coach, you know he's

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Speaker 3: So this is a lot of pressure on a young coach.

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Speaker 3: And then you got these guys that have been here before.

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Speaker 3: You can't It's just it was a tough situation for

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Speaker 1: Just keep going and you can get closer to the basket.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to be from all the way out there.

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Speaker 1: They let you go in. They let you go in

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Speaker 2: But you know, I think what exciting Miami Miami was.

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Speaker 2: They didn't figure it out.

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Speaker 1: It's not that figure out to know that that's going

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Speaker 1: And by the way, I think Joe Missoula will be

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Speaker 1: he knew he was getting a young coach. Eric Spolscher

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Speaker 2: See it as Boston.

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Speaker 3: You know, they if they're not hanging up any banners,

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Speaker 1: Finals last year. They both made all NBA. They're both

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Speaker 2: Of them, between two players.

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Speaker 1: Between the two of them, Yes, two hundred and eighty

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Speaker 2: How many years? Five years?

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Speaker 1: Five years? And this is a man who by the way,

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Speaker 1: had a rough turnover playoffs in general, fifty eight turnovers

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: Hell? Yeah, you keep that, You keep that? This what

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Speaker 3: Why would you get rid of two guys that have,

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Speaker 3: Lebron is on his way out, Steph is getting older

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Speaker 1: I mean, I can look around the league and say

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Speaker 3: KD is thirty five, Yeah, they're older. Jimmy Butler is

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Speaker 3: how old?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: And Jimmy Butler's played for a finals, He's been to

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Speaker 1: And plus he had Tibodou years on him those right.

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Speaker 3: Right, So no, you don't know, you ride this out,

441
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:56,680
Speaker 3: ride it out.

442
00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:58,160
Speaker 2: They're gonna hang banners.

443
00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 1: So you think that the Celtics will end up.

444
00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,240
Speaker 2: I think they need to improve around them, But no,

445
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:05,400
Speaker 2: you keep that core.

446
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,040
Speaker 1: You can't forget too. Malcolm Brogden was the sixth Man

447
00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,679
Speaker 1: of the Year and he was injured, so you know

448
00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,480
Speaker 1: that was a big factor. In the series as well,

449
00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 1: and certainly in that Game seven you could see he

450
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:15,880
Speaker 1: just didn't have it right at the game last night.

451
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:20,760
Speaker 3: So I think they need better interior play. But those

452
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 3: two Marcus smart rodnin No way, I'm getting rid of that.

453
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 1: All right. And look, they can sign him to the

454
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:28,439
Speaker 1: deal and they have a year with him, and then

455
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 1: after that he becomes trade eligible. So if you really,

456
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 1: if it doesn't work out, somebody will want to make

457
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 1: a deal for him. But I would sign him.

458
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:35,920
Speaker 2: Check.

459
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,200
Speaker 3: You know, shit, there was only two teams playing in

460
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 3: the Eastern Conference.

461
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,439
Speaker 2: Why would you break that up? I don't understand that.

462
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Look, now we're going to move on to

463
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 1: the NBA Finals. Nuggets hosting the heat first finals ever

464
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,280
Speaker 1: for Denver, which is kind of hard to believe really

465
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,879
Speaker 1: when you think about all the different times they've around.

466
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 3: You know, y'all suck. They had to go through the

467
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,400
Speaker 3: Lakers made at the time, I know.

468
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 1: But look, they've got the They've been the most steady

469
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,679
Speaker 1: team this postseason, no question, They've got the toughest player

470
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 1: to solve. And by the way, people, I mean, it's

471
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 1: it's not the most celebrated beef in the NBA, but

472
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 1: there's some sneaky beef there, right, Let's see twenty twenty

473
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,920
Speaker 1: one was the member Joka took the shot on Markis Morris,

474
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,119
Speaker 1: and then the entire right, the entire Heat team is

475
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,640
Speaker 1: basically in the hallway waiting outside the Neckers locker room.

476
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 1: That photo was incredible. And then in the bubble you've

477
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 1: seen the clip maybe over the last couple of days,

478
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 1: is Kyle Lowry and Aaron Gordon getting into it. And Kyle,

479
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 1: of course is like, my hotel room number is such

480
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 1: and such, Come come get me. That's what happens when

481
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,120
Speaker 1: you're all staying at the same hotel for the NBA Finals.

482
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 3: But I honestly didn't see this from either team.

483
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I really think they were not the favorites

484
00:22:59,080 --> 00:22:59,640
Speaker 1: on either side.

485
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 2: Really didn't. I honestly didn't see Denver getting past the Lakers.

486
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 3: And here's why. Here's why I knew they were the

487
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 3: better team, right. I just didn't think. I thought that

488
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:16,479
Speaker 3: Lebron and that Lakers mistique was gonna overcome anything that

489
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 3: Denver had.

490
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 2: I really thought that. I thought it was gonna be

491
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 2: so tough.

492
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 3: For them, But you know they shut that down. Jokic.

493
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 3: Let me tell y'all something. This dude is so fucking

494
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 3: good man, straight up, Like, I haven't seen anything like him.

495
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 3: Where he passes, you got a seven foot seven to

496
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 3: one center bringing up the ball, initiating the offense.

497
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 2: Everything goes through him and pass.

498
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,640
Speaker 3: It is amazing, the passes that he makes from one

499
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,640
Speaker 3: side of the courts the other, on time and on target,

500
00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:01,439
Speaker 3: the bounce passes in between defenses. You can't guard him

501
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 3: on the post because he's too big. He can't jump

502
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 3: over a dollar bill. He rebounds. He is amazing.

503
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 2: He like, if there is one purpose, one guy I

504
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 2: would want to I would love to play. He's a problem.

505
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 2: I mean he's a problem.

506
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 3: Like he he's like Jason Kidd as a point guard,

507
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 3: Like those guys don't have to score to affect the game.

508
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 1: But he also scored.

509
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 2: But he can score.

510
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 1: He shoots a three.

511
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 2: What can he do? He can't jump up, he can't jump.

512
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 2: He can't jump. And like you see how big he is.

513
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 3: There's no muscle definition on him, and he's just wearing

514
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 3: you down.

515
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 2: And he's strong. And I love him. I love him.

516
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 2: I don't even know what other words is. I love

517
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 2: him as a basketball player.

518
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,640
Speaker 1: I don't understand why more people aren't into watching Nicolo

519
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: play because he's a beautiful game. It's exciting, it's fun

520
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: to watch him play. I don't know what's gonna happen.

521
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 1: He's super creative. Why do you think he hasn't been

522
00:24:58,640 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: more popular.

523
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 2: He's in different so let's be honest. It's the same way.

524
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 3: You know Damian Lillard, like the stuff that he does

525
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 3: night in and night out is in Portland, Like those

526
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 3: guys played Late at Night, they're on the West coast,

527
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 3: like you know, I'm sorry, but he's in New York somewhere,

528
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 3: or I mean somewhere on the East coast. One of

529
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 3: those scenes, they'll be a different story. But hey man,

530
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 3: he's putting people on notice now right because I think

531
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 3: he's on the version of winning his first championship and

532
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 3: he's gonna be the m v P.

533
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 2: Dam damn. I feel sorry for you, bad boy.

534
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: I mean, they're gonna try to protect him, right, They're

535
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 1: gonna throw Kevin Love out there on your kitchen.

536
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 3: He's gonna send Kevin into retirement, like this is Kevin Love.

537
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 3: His as is about to be out of here. Fucking

538
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 3: with what with yo kics telling you that kid is.

539
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 3: He's everything I love in the basketball player.

540
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: All Right, So I'm gonna ask you about sort of

541
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: who has the edge and the bigs I already know, right,

542
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: gets at the edge?

543
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 3: Okay, hands down? All right, that's like ten to five. Yeah.

544
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 3: I love Bam though, but he's messing. He's dealing with

545
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 3: problem a lot. Yeah, ahead of him?

546
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: All right? What about guards, Peter Nuggets.

547
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 3: Jamal Murray looks like he's back at the bubbles. He

548
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 3: has some flashes of that. I still gotta go with Denver.

549
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 3: You know, casep has been having a great postseason as well,

550
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 3: defensively at offensive Defensively, he's shooting the ball at three

551
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 3: and D. Guy again, Jamal Murray is playing spectacular basketball.

552
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 3: Not to take anything away from Vincent and Strews, but

553
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 3: I like those two guys.

554
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question about Jamal Murray because

555
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: I asked him this in the last round and he

556
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: couldn't quite answer it for me. Well, yeah, because it's

557
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: about when a player gets hot, a scorer gets hot? Right,

558
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 1: what is the said? Yes, he can answer that right,

559
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 1: run in the crowd. Oh yeah, he can answer that.

560
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: You be the most qualified person on the earth to

561
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: answer this actually, since you have gotten the hottest in

562
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 1: the shortenestcount of time in NBA history, what is that?

563
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: Because Jamal Murray is definitely don't want to call him

564
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: streaky because he's good all the time and really since

565
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: he came back from the DCL, I think that's what

566
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: people forget when they call him like, oh, he's like

567
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: the bubble, Like yeah, because he an eco injury in between,

568
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: so like this is back to who he is. That

569
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: being said, sometimes he's very good and then sometimes he

570
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 1: is actually on literal fire. What is it about shooters

571
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: that that happens with you guys? What with the mechanics?

572
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 3: I think it is Obviously it's a feeling, right, It's

573
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 3: a feeling, and it not only a feeling. But it's

574
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 3: crazy to think that we are extremely confident basketball players.

575
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 2: Yes, right, But.

576
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 3: It fluctuates within a game, okay, you know, because some

577
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 3: days you just feel like you don't have it right.

578
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 3: I mean you could chump up, chunk up as many

579
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 3: shots as you can. It's just like man like.

580
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 2: They feel good.

581
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 3: But you know what you say is a make a mislake.

582
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 3: I think in some moments though throughout the course of

583
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 3: a game, your confidence you could be could be confident,

584
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 3: but I think it rises when you make whether a

585
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 3: difficult shot or you get consecutive shots, like you just

586
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 3: don't know when it comes. It could comes making a

587
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 3: defensive play, you get alley hoop or a dunk. But

588
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 3: when you feel that at that particular moment, your confidence

589
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 3: went from you know, one level to the next, and

590
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 3: then it's like you feel like you can't be stopped.

591
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 3: And it's as crazy as it sounds, like, why you

592
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 3: didn't feel that way before?

593
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: That's just hard from the outside to understand.

594
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 2: I can't explain it. It's science. I don't know what

595
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,959
Speaker 2: the hell out of shit. I don't know. I don't know.

596
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 2: It's it's a feeling.

597
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: You feel it.

598
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a feeling, That's all it is. You know,

599
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 3: it's a feeling. And you know, once we get that,

600
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 3: we stay in that mode. Right, certain guys can stay

601
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 3: in that mode once they get that.

602
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: I mean, we know the most famous instance of you

603
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: doing that. But if you had like runs where it's

604
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: been games weeks type of thing where you just feel

605
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: like I'm hitting everything.

606
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I've been on a role for about thirty

607
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 3: games where I just felt like you know everything that

608
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 3: I threw up was going to go in because I was.

609
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 2: I was confident.

610
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 3: And what I don't understand about some players in the league,

611
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 3: Like if I have a forty five fifty point game

612
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 3: and I like it's efficient game where I play like really, well,

613
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 3: I don't know how guys come back the next game

614
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 3: and they have like twelve points. I'm still as confident

615
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 3: even though it's another day. It was when I walked

616
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 3: off that floor when I had that forty five or

617
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 3: fifty point game, like, I'm still that com Well.

618
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: That's the difference between you who has made the Hall

619
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: of Fame and guys who haven't. So there you go. Well,

620
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: I know that the heat better not let Jamal feel

621
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: that way because when he gets hot, he gets hot,

622
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: and he is the kind of guy who carries it

623
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: over from game to game. So we saw that in

624
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: the earlier in the playoffs. What about the wings heater nuggets.

625
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 3: I think Jimmy is gonna have his work cut out

626
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 3: for him because now you're dealing with you know, Aaron Gordon,

627
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 3: like six 'ten extremely athletic, right strong, and that's gonna

628
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 3: be his greatest assignment is to slow down Jimmy Butler.

629
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 3: I think Jimmy Butler is such a cerebral player he'll

630
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 3: be able to figure it out from.

631
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 2: Gaining the game.

632
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 3: But it's gonna be challenging, right because now you got

633
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 3: to do a little bit more, right because these guys

634
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 3: have better scores, they have the best player in basketball, right,

635
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 3: they they're efficient than a Boston.

636
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 2: Team that you guys play. So yeah, I.

637
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 3: Like the matchup, but I think Jimmy will probably struggle

638
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 3: because of the length, the size, the strength of those guys.

639
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: Jimmy got some open threes in that game seven against

640
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: the Celtics that I do not anticipate him getting against Denver.

641
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna mump him around a lot more.

642
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: But look, the Heat as a team shot more than

643
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,239
Speaker 1: fifty three out of the seven games from three in

644
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: this seven game series, So they shot more than fifty

645
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,479
Speaker 1: out of eighty two games during the regular season.

646
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 2: You know what bothers me about today's game, And it

647
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 2: really really bothers me when I watch these games.

648
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 3: Man, even going back to like last year how Boston

649
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 3: played Steph. There is no way in hell that if

650
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 3: I'm coming off the pick and roll. Gelani McCoy guarding

651
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 3: the pick and roll is gonna be back. When I

652
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 3: come off of pick and roll, he's gonna drop.

653
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

654
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 2: We're talking about the greatest shooter ever in Steph Curry,

655
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 2: and that's how they was playing him last year.

656
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 3: That's how they played pick and rolls. They you come

657
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 3: off of pick and roll and the big man has

658
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Speaker 3: dropped like what I couldn't imagine playing in today's game.

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Speaker 1: I mean we saw that last night.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't understand it. These guys are great shooters, man,

661
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 3: bring you a big man up, like, get the ball

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Speaker 3: out of some of these great players' hands. Make somebody

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Speaker 3: else make a play. It bothers me when I watch

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Speaker 3: some of these defenses.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's what the Lakers tried to do with Steph, right,

666
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: is that the Anthony Davis actually came out and bothered

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00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: him and Steph kept taking steps back. Yeah, and that's

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Speaker 1: how they got past him. And that's serious.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So I know a little something about that.

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Speaker 1: Will something, well something will something something. Zone defense has

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Speaker 1: been a big part of the Heats attack here we

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Speaker 1: talked about in the last series and you should know

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Speaker 1: what to expect it. But Denver is actually eating up

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Speaker 1: the zone the times that they've played and Sposters pulled

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Speaker 1: that out.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know why Jokic. When you when you

677
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 2: have the idea of breaking a zone is to get

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Speaker 2: the ball in the middle of the court.

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Speaker 3: Right, you get the ball in the middle, it's you're

680
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 3: going to dismantle the zone because now you got shooting

681
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 3: and wing got shooting this wing right when you get

682
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 3: the ball to Jokic, he's such a smart basketball player.

683
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 3: It's going to make the right play every single time.

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Speaker 3: And if they try to do that on dinner, that

685
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Speaker 3: that's going to be a problem.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing is that I think that weapon is

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Speaker 1: going to get taken away. Now. By the way, Eric

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Speaker 1: Spolstra is a great coach. I think that he will

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Speaker 1: figure something else out. But Michael Malon's a very good

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Speaker 1: coach too.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I mean, but he has joys to put

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Speaker 3: him in the middle.

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Speaker 1: Right there you go, He's figured out his own.

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Speaker 2: But that's the offense.

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00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 3: You put Jokic in the middle free throw line, throwing

696
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,479
Speaker 3: the ball, your guards and everybody are slicing off, cutting.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of movement that is simple offense. It's

698
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 2: simple offense, but it's difficult to guard. And when you

699
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 2: have somebody that can make unbelievable passes, you know, between defenses,

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00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 2: the wrap around, bounce passes to the basket, like that's

701
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Speaker 2: that's tough.

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Speaker 1: Do you think this NBA Finals is going to make

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Speaker 1: more of a star out of Yoka? You said he's

704
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: in Denver, that's why, people, But do you think this

705
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Speaker 1: will do it?

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Speaker 2: Sure?

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Speaker 1: Because everything you're describing as you're saying, and I'm like, Oh,

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Speaker 1: that's gonna be so fun to watch, that's gonna be

709
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Speaker 1: so funny.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, I think this will elevate his brand tremendously for sure.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't like doing stuff though. I mean, he's kind

713
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: of like Tim Duncan and that he doesn't want to

714
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Speaker 1: do commercials. He doesn't want to go make a bunch

715
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Speaker 1: of appearances. He's got horses back on his farm and

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Speaker 1: he likes to be horse racing and carriage racing. I believe,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think really, you know.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's find out who this cat is. Where's he from?

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Speaker 1: Slovenia? Sorry Serbia, Sorry, I'm I'm I'm Luka don in

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Speaker 1: my head? Sorry, sa you go do.

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Speaker 3: A story on that man over there, Showtime let's go

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Speaker 3: take me over there. Should I ride some horses?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it has to be a big horse, very large horse.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk NBA Top Shot. The best playoff

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Speaker 1: best of Jimmy Butler, van Adebayo, Caleb Martin, Nikoli, Jogis,

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Speaker 1: Jamal Murray, Aaron Gordon, Michael Porter Junior. So here we go,

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Speaker 1: we're getting down to it. What is your finals prediction?

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Speaker 1: Who will win finals? MVP? We're going to get a

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Speaker 1: moment from the finals MVP. So who do you think

736
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Speaker 1: this is going to be? Really, I'm just you know, really,

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Speaker 1: I want to know. I want to know, like, this

738
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Speaker 1: is it, this is your time.

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Speaker 2: So I gotta go with Yokaz.

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Speaker 3: I think he's going to average thirty five point triple double. Yeah,

741
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Speaker 3: I honestly think he's gonna average that.

742
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Speaker 1: I mean, he's got eight triple doubles in the playoffs already,

743
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: and he's about to have well, I don't know how

744
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: many games, fourteen, so six games? You think, ooh so mathing,

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00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: look at the NBA Finals odds. Now that the matchup

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00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: is set. You walked into this room thinking Denver, the

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Speaker 1: guys in the front row, thinking about the heat. Denver

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00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: is at minus three fifty to win the NBA title

755
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: and the heater at plus two eighty. So that is

756
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Speaker 1: a swing.

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00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean again, I'm going with Denver. My

758
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 3: gut is saying, Denver, I can't you can't count behind

759
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 3: me out. Look more, what they've they've done, you know,

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Speaker 3: I mean a team that's you know, together and understands

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Speaker 3: their role as well, coached and competes and mentally tough.

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Speaker 2: I mean I give them a chance to win.

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Speaker 3: I just feel Denver is the better team with the

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Speaker 3: better the best player will.

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Speaker 1: Win in six games and the whole rest versus russ

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Speaker 1: The Nuggets have had ten days off. The numbers are

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Speaker 1: on their side if a team has had more than

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Speaker 1: five days off and they start the series at home.

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Speaker 1: I know that sounds like a lot of ifs, but

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Speaker 1: they're eight and one in game one, and they're actually

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Speaker 1: eight and one in series overall. So it's just it's

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Speaker 1: interesting to look at the heat of Goune and stolen

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Speaker 1: game one and every series they played to I.

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Speaker 3: Mean, would you rather as a team, would you rather

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Speaker 3: have all the rest or would you rather have a

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Speaker 3: couple of days off.

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Speaker 2: And you know momentum have the momentum. I want the rest.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well you're old now, so you know the rest

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Speaker 1: is good.

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Speaker 3: I should have hit it with the diner.

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Speaker 1: Some other news around the NBA, Nick Nurse gonna the

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Speaker 1: Sixers next head coach. Reports are saying Embiid and Nurse met,

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Speaker 1: the meeting work really well, that's gonna be a good

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Speaker 1: pairing and Beads had a lot of good things to

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Speaker 1: say about Nick's defenses on him in the past, but

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Speaker 1: will he have James Harden on that roster as well,

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Speaker 1: because there are a lot of rumors about James possibly

788
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Speaker 1: being interested in going back to Houston, where you live.

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Speaker 1: That's a great face.

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Speaker 2: Really, it doesn't make basketball sense.

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Speaker 1: That is not the question.

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Speaker 2: What was the question?

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Speaker 1: Well the question. I mean, my point is that just

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Speaker 1: because it doesn't make basketball sense, it doesn't mean that

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Speaker 1: he wouldn't do it. Matt Barnes says that James Harden.

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Speaker 2: So what are we saying about James? If it doesn't

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00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 2: make basketball sense, then what are we saying?

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Speaker 1: Right, I'm gonna tell you Matt Barnes's line about James

799
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Speaker 1: is that he really liked doing work in the community

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Speaker 1: in Houston.

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Speaker 3: He does a lot of great community work, a lot

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Speaker 3: of great a lot of yeah, he's he does a

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Speaker 3: lot of great.

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Speaker 1: Community work, patronizing local businesses.

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Speaker 3: No, I think I don't know if Houston has a

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00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:06,240
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame, but he has multiple hall of fames.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I mean in various places.

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Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. No, I mean there's certainly been reporting and

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00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: he has not addressed this directly that much, but it

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Speaker 1: does it make stop it okay? Well, that he wasn't

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Speaker 1: that happy with his roll in Houston.

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Speaker 3: You're trying to go back to Houston and jack up

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Speaker 3: thirty threes and just average thirty again and lose. That's

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Speaker 3: the question that doesn't make sense. You're on the back

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Speaker 3: end of your career. Why are you going backwards? I

816
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 3: don't understand that James Harden is going to Phoenix.

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Speaker 1: Oh you think so boom? You think so boom.

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Speaker 3: I just feel again that makes basketball sense. Right, He's

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Speaker 3: on the back end of his career and I don't

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Speaker 3: know what happened in Philly. If he leaves, I feel

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Speaker 3: the best position for him miss Phoenix.

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Speaker 2: Him and Chris Paul is older. Toward the end of

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Speaker 2: that time, Mark Chris paul.

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Speaker 3: Role will be diminished because of his only because of

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Speaker 3: his age. James Harden comes in, Chris Paul can be

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Speaker 3: a backup. I mean, what better backup would you want

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Speaker 3: to have than Chris Paul? Right, because of his health,

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Speaker 3: It just makes that makes basketball sense to me.

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Speaker 1: Phoenix is interesting. There's certainly a lot of discussion out

830
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Speaker 1: there about them. Maybe trading down Drayden could be good

831
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Speaker 1: for AID and could be good for everybody if they

832
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Speaker 1: can get a little depth back right.

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Speaker 2: Disappointed in him, I feel.

834
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Speaker 1: Like maybe he's just not in the right place. Here's

835
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Speaker 1: a guy who grew up in Arizona, played college ball

836
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Speaker 1: in Arizona, with drafted number one overall, has been in Phoenix.

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Speaker 1: It's a very small Sometimes you need to leave the nest.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I mean I believe change of scenery would

839
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Speaker 3: be good for him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So it's like, who do you get in replace of him? Though,

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Speaker 3: That's like you got to make sure somebody is on

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Speaker 3: that level.

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Speaker 1: We want some depth, right, because that's what got exposed.

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Speaker 1: I mean, to me, that's the team that has a

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Speaker 1: chance for the most growth.

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Speaker 3: I mean, did they get exposed or did they not

848
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Speaker 3: just play guys on the bench, because I mean I've

849
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Speaker 3: seen some guys on that bench that was quite talented

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Speaker 3: that should have gotten some minutes. I don't know what

851
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 3: was up with that, but and not to you know,

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Speaker 3: degrade Manti's coaching by any means, so I think he's

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00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 3: a hell of a coach. But it seemed to me like,

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Speaker 3: you know, a few of those guys could have gotten

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Speaker 3: some minutes and contributed to you know, didn't play the ball.

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Speaker 1: We'll be interesting to see if Monty lands anywhere. You

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Speaker 1: were with him in San Antonio. Is that right? He

858
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Speaker 1: was already gone by timate in Orlando's right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's my teav world. Oh my gosh, you

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Speaker 3: was there to witness it, right.

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Speaker 1: Truth words spoken. Do you think he gets another job?

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00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 2: Of course?

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00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 3: You know what I actually think from what I'm seeing

864
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 3: this off seat, I think.

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Speaker 2: The league is going to younger guys.

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Speaker 3: Right, you look at Detroit, Detroit, Adrian Griffin, you have

867
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Speaker 3: you got Tyler, you got our guy Chauncey and Portland.

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Speaker 3: I think they're going to younger guys to be able

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Speaker 3: to relate to these knuckleheads that they're coaching.

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Speaker 1: Say tis out to our generation though, so but they're young,

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Speaker 1: youngl What do you think of the Jamarant situation? What

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00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 1: should happen next there?

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Speaker 3: Well, obviously there's a suspension, you know, jaws, and people

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Speaker 3: want to like go at his friends, like his friends

875
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 3: didn't this last incident that I'm talking about his friend,

876
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 3: He didn't do anything wrong.

877
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 2: He's just on live. His friend didn't have the gun.

878
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 3: His friend is doing what young kids do their own

879
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 3: live you know what job, he's just all. I don't

880
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 3: think he knew he was going to pull out a

881
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 3: gun right and show that on on on Live. But

882
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 3: John has to understand the impact that he has, and

883
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 3: I don't really think he understands that, right being and

884
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 3: such a great basketball players with the younger generation really

885
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 3: gravitating and idolizing what he does on the basketball court,

886
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 3: I think, you know, the guidance and the people around

887
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 3: him is not really fully helping him understand what he

888
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 3: means to our game into the community until this younger generation.

889
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 2: It's just a really really.

890
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 3: Unfortunate situation because he's one of my favorite right like,

891
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 3: he's one of my favorite and I just hate to

892
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 3: see that from him.

893
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: Kind of wanted the next to pick up drum I

894
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: did he still doesna.

895
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 2: Man if he was in New York, Oh my gods,

896
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 2: and this happened. Man.

897
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 3: But you know, hopefully this is a wake up call

898
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 3: for joh I don't want to jump on him like

899
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 3: a lot of people because I don't know jall.

900
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 2: I don't know his upbringing. I don't know any of that.

901
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 3: I just know, you know, when you are making thirty

902
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 3: forty million dollars as a what is he twenty three, twenty.

903
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 2: Four years old?

904
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 3: I mean, and where he comes from, Like that's a

905
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 3: lot of pressure on a kid. You know what I'm saying,

906
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 3: you don't know how to act. You don't properly know

907
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 3: how to act because you just snak you untouchable. Everybody

908
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 3: is kissing your ass and telling you this and that

909
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 3: wherever you go, right And I think he was just

910
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,439
Speaker 3: you know, feeling himself a little bit and just think

911
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 3: he's untouchable, just like a lot of shit that I

912
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 3: see out here with a lot of people when they

913
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 3: have everything going from themselves but you're throwing it away.

914
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,760
Speaker 1: Well, you're someone who came right out of high school,

915
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: you were very young in the NBA, and you had

916
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 1: a lot of people telling you how wonderful you were.

917
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 3: Well, I didn't care care for carrying a gun though, Like, well,

918
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 3: I love to hunt, you know what I'm saying. I

919
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 3: love hunting.

920
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 1: But I just mean, like, what is that balance? When

921
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: did you sort of have to have a moment with

922
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: yourself to be like, Okay, I know I've got the

923
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: whole world telling me I'm the ship basically, but I

924
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: need to actually still work hard.

925
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 2: I was about I.

926
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 3: I've always stayed dedicated to my craft, right always always.

927
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 3: I Yeah, did I have fun, absolutely, but I was

928
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 3: always aware of what I was doing. I was aware

929
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 3: of what was around me and who I surrounded myself with.

930
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 3: I've always been like that. Like I moved differently, and

931
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 3: that was when I was even younger because of my

932
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 3: environment that I came up in.

933
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 2: Right, Like I moved.

934
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 3: Different There was like the ship that I see when

935
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 3: I was younger. You know where I came from. I

936
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 3: grew up in Central Florida, and you know it was

937
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 3: it was one way in, one way out work where

938
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 3: I grew up. Drug one of the most drug infested

939
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 3: neighborhoods in Central Florida where I grew.

940
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 2: Up, and and to you know, be in that.

941
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 3: I was schooled early by the ogs in my neighborhood

942
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 3: or what I needed to stay away from. It was

943
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 3: strictly baseball season. I played baseball. It's basketball season. I

944
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 3: played basketball, football, I played football. So I stayed busy.

945
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 3: I stayed away and just stayed busy and active. But

946
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 3: it was around me, right, But I I knew when

947
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 3: I became a pro what I needed to do, getting

948
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 3: the guidance and information from other pros.

949
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 2: Being around our guy Kobe, Yes, right, he thought differently.

950
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: Yes, I was in front of that yet so he

951
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:52,720
Speaker 1: thought differently.

952
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 3: And I think that the greatest thing for me is

953
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 3: when we took that trip to Paris, Like that that

954
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 3: was for me moving forward in my career because I

955
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 3: think I was like nineteen years old at the time

956
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 3: he was twenty. Being around him from that trip, coming

957
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 3: out here, staying with him and his family and seeing.

958
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 2: How he moved that completely.

959
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 3: Changed my whole mindset and I knew how I needed

960
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 3: to move more forward. Like I wasn't. I'm in LA

961
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 3: I'm eighteen, nineteen years old. I'm like, I want to

962
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 3: go out. You know what I'm saying.

963
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,720
Speaker 2: I'm in the league. I want to go party. Let's

964
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 2: go do this. Let's go chase him.

965
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: Kobe.

966
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,240
Speaker 2: No, let's go chase him.

967
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 3: Man, Kobe and the has you watching these Michael Jordan videos?

968
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 3: He watching karate flicks he watched.

969
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, what that?

970
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: It was?

971
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 2: No?

972
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 3: No going to the gym six o'clock in the morning

973
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 3: to work out. He's going later on in the afternoon,

974
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 3: He's going at night.

975
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, this is different.

976
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 1: But we had to tell the Paris story because you're

977
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: talking about a trip to Paris was a night trip,

978
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 1: right that the two of you were on. Was it Nike?

979
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Adida, Sorry, I'm just come over here and

980
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: you can.

981
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,399
Speaker 2: Throw a fine see what I'm rocking.

982
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: I understand, I get it, but that's what I was

983
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: gonna say. I'm looking down and the Adidas aren't there.

984
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: But we're going to talk about that on a different day.

985
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: This n Adida's trip. That was very silly to me,

986
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: and uh, you guys were there and you, me and

987
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 1: Kobe were talking about this. Unfortunately, but the year before

988
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: he passed, but the story was amazing, and he was

989
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: explaining to me how he tried to dupe you. Can

990
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: you tell the people about what happened.

991
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 2: The roller coaster or did well that's two stories. The gym.

992
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 1: So he did get you on a roller coaster though,

993
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: which a little ugly.

994
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 3: All right, all right, so I'm you know, I'm young.

995
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 3: I think I just completed my my rookie season.

996
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 2: Right.

997
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 3: We go to Paris and we get there. Uh, it's

998
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 3: in the summertime, so this is when we're back working out.

999
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 2: So we get there. I tell Kobe I'm about to

1000
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 2: go to the gym.

1001
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 3: And work out, right, and he is looking at me

1002
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 3: like why why?

1003
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 2: Why? For what?

1004
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 3: We in the off season, something like, what are you

1005
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 3: going to work out for? Let's have some fun.

1006
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 2: So I'm looking like I'm respecting him.

1007
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 3: Because it's just Kobe. Right, He's this his second year,

1008
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 3: he's had it. He's coming off an unbelievable year, right

1009
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 3: his second year. So I'm like, okay, you know, I'm

1010
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 3: listening to my guy. So I'm like, but it's not

1011
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 3: making sense to me. So I'm like, go to my

1012
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 3: room and I'm chilling. And I had we both had

1013
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 3: our trainers with us, right, his parents was with us.

1014
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 3: I had my training, he had is. So I got

1015
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 3: to my rooms and relax a little bit. I just

1016
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 3: get antsy. I'm like, nah, I'm about to go work

1017
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 3: out forget this. I go to the gym, fellas ladies.

1018
00:49:56,280 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 3: Kobe is in there, sweating his ass, all working and

1019
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 3: I'm like, bro, what And he just had this look

1020
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 3: on his face, was like.

1021
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 2: He was just testing me, just tested me.

1022
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 3: And you know, from that moment, I was like, Okay, I.

1023
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 2: Know who I'm dealing with. Like these guys.

1024
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 3: He liked to play games, mind games, just to see

1025
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 3: where you're at. And then we went to the gym

1026
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 3: he was working out, played one on one, and he

1027
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 3: lied about the one on one Gosh.

1028
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: Lied about the one on his last his last day.

1029
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 2: They did, they did.

1030
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 3: He told two different stories about that, but no, that

1031
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 3: was I learned a lot from dude.

1032
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: Well, John mort obviously has not had that kind of

1033
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: influence in his life yet, but I'm sure you know,

1034
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: I love.

1035
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 2: To talk to John.

1036
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 3: I really would, because he needs to really understand his

1037
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 3: role and how you know, important he is to the

1038
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 3: culture of basketball and so the youth out here. I mean,

1039
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 3: he has a has a huge impact on these kids

1040
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 3: because wherever I go, I mean I see kids, you know,

1041
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 3: trying to play basketball.

1042
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 2: Like Jill wearing his shoes, wearing his shoes.

1043
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 1: Absolutely excellent. Well, we will look forward to checking back

1044
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: in with you as we go here, and especially with

1045
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 1: the OBL which I'm very excited about. It's nice to

1046
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: be talking oop with you.

1047
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,919
Speaker 2: It's been fun. I like this. This is a nice

1048
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:27,479
Speaker 2: little chat.

1049
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. Good, we should. We should do it more often.

1050
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do this more often when you're older.

1051
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: Exactly when I get older. When I get older, I've

1052
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: been the same age this whole time.

1053
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 2: There you go.

1054
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: What's Burner's available every week on Showtime Basketball? YouTube, Twitter,

1055
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 1: Instagram and TikTok At Show Basketball. See you there,