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Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. Welcome everybody, this is the Calm Down Podcast.
Speaker 1: Hi Aaron. Hi, Aaron's gonna be weirded out. She doesn't
Speaker 1: like when I do this. But Aaron was just nominated
Speaker 1: for a Sports Emmy. For those of you that can't see,
Speaker 1: I am clapping in a circle, long overdue. Don't say anything.
Speaker 1: It's a big deal. I'm proud of you. Then I
Speaker 1: was excited, Thank you very much. I was really pumped up.
Speaker 1: It's my first one by myself. I've won before, you know,
Speaker 1: with College Game Day and the World Series, but never
Speaker 1: I never thought I'd get nominated for Sideline Reporters. So
Speaker 1: it was really special, so special that I went to
Speaker 1: go shave my legs after I heard about it, and
Speaker 1: I had goose bumps. And you know when you have
Speaker 1: goose bumps and you're shaving your legs. Not good because
Speaker 1: the hair is just growing back at the same it's
Speaker 1: it's a bad combination. And then it's like it's sand
Speaker 1: paper and now we've got razor burn and it's a
Speaker 1: whole situation. Yeah, and and later on, not this episode,
Speaker 1: but some other time, we have to talk about shaving
Speaker 1: around the knees. I have so many patches of hair
Speaker 1: and I just can't get to it. And the ankle,
Speaker 1: the ankle is a very difficult spot to get to.
Speaker 1: Let's say about the first time I was shaving my
Speaker 1: legs on the episode of Shaving my Legs sponsored by someone,
Speaker 1: hopefully Kathy Thompson, walked in my legs bleeding everywhere because
Speaker 1: I didn't use water or soaked the first time, I
Speaker 1: just was hiding in my closet shaving my legs. I
Speaker 1: thought you were gonna shave like this with my razor
Speaker 1: the first time I did it, slice my skin right
Speaker 1: off on my bony legs. Well, you still have bony
Speaker 1: legs right off the shin shin loss of scars there.
Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna say you were shaving your
Speaker 1: legs because you're gonna get lucky tonight because you're a nominee. No,
Speaker 1: there's a Home King's Game, so mom is going to
Speaker 1: bed early. Okay, well, fair enough, all right, So we've
Speaker 1: got a great episode for you. I know we tease
Speaker 1: last week Aaron that the Ryans were coming on. But
Speaker 1: our friends are very busy. They have a lot of
Speaker 1: things to do. Also, I had to change in a
Speaker 1: schedule because I did an interview yesterday with one of
Speaker 1: our favorite receivers in the league, Davante Adams. So much fun.
Speaker 1: So the Ryan's will be on soon enough. But we
Speaker 1: are very very lucky because a guy that I have
Speaker 1: been wanting to talk to since I started watching his
Speaker 1: show on Netflix, Jaws Levrette. What a guy. His show
Speaker 1: is Canine Intervention, and Aaron and I have a huge
Speaker 1: affinity for our pups and all other pups out there,
Speaker 1: so I'm really looking forward to talking to him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, I love that. So your infatuation or love
Speaker 1: for German shepherds, you were raised with them? Is that
Speaker 1: how that happened? I was. I had a German shepherd
Speaker 1: growing up. His name was Hawkeye because my father loved
Speaker 1: the show Mash and my mom did daycare for us
Speaker 1: when we were growing up. Because my mom's like, how
Speaker 1: am I gonna make money while watching these children? So
Speaker 1: she had we had like a whole daycare. So there's
Speaker 1: like ten kids. I mean, now it wouldn't be Dakode,
Speaker 1: it would be illegal in like ten states. But the
Speaker 1: German shepherd was like how how how it is super
Speaker 1: doscile like good around kids, could like we even and
Speaker 1: out of all of us, no problem. There are no
Speaker 1: chance that I would let Daisy even around my own child,
Speaker 1: which is going to be a problem. I really want
Speaker 1: to ask Jaws about that. My dogs are not good kids.
Speaker 1: They've never been around kids. No, I mean how he's
Speaker 1: never been around kids either. Our issue comes from leish
Speaker 1: aggression and things like that, but you know, around kids.
Speaker 1: I was always kind of afraid, just because he's just
Speaker 1: not good with dogs that get in his face and
Speaker 1: don't give him his space. We did go to Caesar
Speaker 1: Milan a couple of years ago. He was everything. And
Speaker 1: what's interesting and I can't wait to see about our
Speaker 1: interview coming up, is we learned it's all about us.
Speaker 1: It's not about the dog. Like the dog's fine, you're
Speaker 1: the asshole, like you have the problems. How he was overweight,
Speaker 1: he was my firstborn. You know, I'm talking to him
Speaker 1: like a child. I still do I give him anything
Speaker 1: he wants to kind of train him. And what was
Speaker 1: incredible was Caesar just looked at him and he stopped
Speaker 1: what he was doing and it was like, Okay, you're
Speaker 1: the real deal. Where it's Mommy is like, you want
Speaker 1: me to look like and Caesar is like, well, of course,
Speaker 1: the dog's not going to listen to you or pay attention.
Speaker 1: So in the kid area, I think we're good. We
Speaker 1: have enough little kids that were around. He's totally plus
Speaker 1: if a kid's holding a pringle or a cheetoh even better.
Speaker 1: I mean I will worry about a finger or two.
Speaker 1: But you know, we're just how can I have to
Speaker 1: say give it to him when you goes his weight again?
Speaker 1: You um, yeah, but I got a whole I'm gonna
Speaker 1: need jaws for the rest of my life. I might
Speaker 1: have to like build a house out here for him
Speaker 1: and his family to move into because there's no chance
Speaker 1: I trust my dogs around kids. That's the ways away though,
Speaker 1: because I'm not having kids anytime soon. But with that,
Speaker 1: speaking of being a kid, you you asked me about
Speaker 1: having a German shepherd. I know the Andrews house and
Speaker 1: their their love for retrievers. How many retrievers have you
Speaker 1: guys had in you know, throughout the duration of your life.
Speaker 1: We had Our first baby was Ashley. She was great.
Speaker 1: She lived to about ten or two elve. All our
Speaker 1: golden's lived to about that and then they all developed
Speaker 1: a cancer. God love him, and you and I have
Speaker 1: made each other cry at nights, like talking about our dogs.
Speaker 1: That's another thing. So we had Ashley, we had Emmy
Speaker 1: that was a rescue. Actually Emmy wasn't. Coco was a rescue.
Speaker 1: And then my mom and dad when I left, had
Speaker 1: Cody and share a all. Do you remember my wedding
Speaker 1: when my parents showed up in our golden had passed
Speaker 1: away when I was on the flight or my parents
Speaker 1: were on the flight to my wedding. It's I can't imagine,
Speaker 1: first of all, the emotion of like how close you
Speaker 1: are with your family so that you're getting married. I
Speaker 1: think the emotion might have been higher for the loss
Speaker 1: of the of the dog, honestly, of course, and it
Speaker 1: would have been for me too. I mean I talked
Speaker 1: to you about this all the time. If I have
Speaker 1: at least two glasses of wine, I can start making
Speaker 1: myself ball right away about when how he dies. I'm
Speaker 1: going to have to be buried with him, Like I
Speaker 1: cannot go through this world without this dog. Aaron, I
Speaker 1: was texting you because Willis was sitting on the couch
Speaker 1: one night and I sent you a picture I'm like,
Speaker 1: he's getting older, he's gonna die. And you're like, don't
Speaker 1: say that, but it's true. We get so attached to
Speaker 1: them and they become Oh speaking of them, look who's
Speaker 1: just got back from the dog Walkers? Because actually, for
Speaker 1: those of you watching on YouTube and there's Willis I, well,
Speaker 1: it's still alive. So that's the good news. Um, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't know. I don't know how there's the
Speaker 1: reason that they're called me his best friend a lot
Speaker 1: of action, um Man's best friend is because okay, so
Speaker 1: this is maybe a bad idea to have the door open. Um,
Speaker 1: we just love them so much and they are you know,
Speaker 1: like you mentioned, we don't have children, and they are
Speaker 1: our children, and so it's going to be but we don't.
Speaker 1: Let's not think about them leaving it. No, no, But
Speaker 1: the night before we got howie you know this was
Speaker 1: Jared and I did it before we got married, like
Speaker 1: literally a couple of weeks before. I remember having thoughts
Speaker 1: to myself like, I don't know if I really want
Speaker 1: this dog. Like we're saying we want it, but I
Speaker 1: don't know if I want it. Because my mom always
Speaker 1: took care of the goldens and I loved them, but
Speaker 1: like I always knew my mom loved our dogs more
Speaker 1: than she loved us. It's just how it happened. And
Speaker 1: now I get it. Like I love Jarrett, but Howie
Speaker 1: is my life. And we were talking this weekend about
Speaker 1: a story to tell about all freaking do anything for
Speaker 1: this dog, like I will. If we're walking down the
Speaker 1: street and there's another dog coming and it looks like
Speaker 1: Jared's not paying attention, I'm like a full blown bouncer.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I'm great, Like I get in front
Speaker 1: of my dog. But we always like we're the freaking Griswolds.
Speaker 1: We had this incident on the strand during quarantine. We're
Speaker 1: like walking him and we see you know, you see Golden's,
Speaker 1: you see German shepherds and you're like, oh, hey, you
Speaker 1: feel like your family. We saw this golden behind us
Speaker 1: and he was gorgeous, really like he was kind of
Speaker 1: far back. We were saying, maybe like a hundred yards away,
Speaker 1: and he was really beautiful, and we just kind of
Speaker 1: waved to the owner like, oh, your dog is so cute.
Speaker 1: He also was huge. How he's seventy pounds. This dog
Speaker 1: was freaking I would say a hundred ten whatever he
Speaker 1: was massive, the dumb ass owner. Were on the strand,
Speaker 1: there's a ton of people. Let's the dog go. The
Speaker 1: dog is running full speed ahead towards Jarrett myself and
Speaker 1: how how for those only for those that don't know
Speaker 1: what the strand is, it's basically a sidewalk, so there's
Speaker 1: this small amount of distance between that in the beach,
Speaker 1: so you're you're in close quarters. Once that dog goes,
Speaker 1: there's nowhere else to go. Okay, there's also bicycles coming,
Speaker 1: people on rollerblades. Like I said to Jared the other day,
Speaker 1: why didn't you run and hide? And he said, because
Speaker 1: if I turned and ran with the dog, I could
Speaker 1: have blown up somebody on rollerblades, on a bike, somebody
Speaker 1: with a baby stroller. So all of a sudden, this
Speaker 1: guy lets the dog go, and Jarrett and I start
Speaker 1: screaming no, no, no, on the strand and people know
Speaker 1: who we are. It's a small community. Our dog is
Speaker 1: sexy like whatever. My husband's want a cup. All of
Speaker 1: a sudden I just get like an offensive lineman. I
Speaker 1: go fucking three point stand hands on the ground, and
Speaker 1: this dog is coming after me and Jared's like it
Speaker 1: could have been a massive It could have been a
Speaker 1: pit bull. It could have been This is my child,
Speaker 1: and I know my dog is going to go after
Speaker 1: this dog and it's going to be a mess. So
Speaker 1: I get down. This dog comes the strand is cement
Speaker 1: with sand. It is very slippdy. The dog comes, I'm
Speaker 1: in a three point stand. It wipes me out. I
Speaker 1: flip in the air like three fucking sixty on my hip.
Speaker 1: Playing there Thursday Night Football this year, Khalil Mack took
Speaker 1: Tristan Worth's from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, flipped him over
Speaker 1: his head and got to Tom Brady. I was Tristan
Speaker 1: Worth's and Tom Brady all in one. We're gonna post
Speaker 1: that video because I was re enacting it for Troy
Speaker 1: Aikman dead on. You sent me that. You sent me
Speaker 1: the aftermath of that. Yeah, you have had the one
Speaker 1: where you were getting ready to go to the NFC
Speaker 1: Championship game. This was earlier on in the year. You
Speaker 1: have bruises all over your legs like it's it's I
Speaker 1: just again, this speaks to what you will do for
Speaker 1: your dog. Yeah, I mean that could have been a
Speaker 1: Grott Wilder and Mommy's up in it, and like we
Speaker 1: said to the guy, nothing happened. How he lunged at
Speaker 1: the dog, the dog backed off. Yeah that's right. Um,
Speaker 1: but I said to the owner, what the fuck and
Speaker 1: he goes, I thought you wanted me to let my
Speaker 1: dog go. What you also learned there's very stupid dog owners,
Speaker 1: but we'll get into that later. I definitely so my
Speaker 1: dogs anyone that knows me or has been over you
Speaker 1: included where my dogs are not friendly unless you know them. Like,
Speaker 1: that's okay. I love that, like I've lived and again,
Speaker 1: even Kyle lives in New York at the time, Like
Speaker 1: my husband's not with me all the time. So I
Speaker 1: feel super super safe because I have them, Like I
Speaker 1: there's times where I forget to lock the door, but
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about it because nothing's getting through this sucker.
Speaker 1: This is totally the line from Pretty Woman. Nothing's getting
Speaker 1: through this sucker. This is the condom of champions right here.
Speaker 1: So nothing's getting through these doors with these dogs here.
Speaker 1: So I do feel very safe, but it's not. They're
Speaker 1: just not warm and friendly with people. So I get
Speaker 1: nervous to have anybody over because it takes them a
Speaker 1: second to But maybe that's just help me with all
Speaker 1: of those things. So but honestly, that's one thing I
Speaker 1: learned with Caesar dogs. Much like people have different personalities.
Speaker 1: You have introverts, you have extroverts, Like, yes, and I
Speaker 1: bummed my dog doesn't socialized totally. Are you bummed about
Speaker 1: your dog and other people? Yes, But that's just the
Speaker 1: way it is, Like I don't even care. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'd rather him be this way and be great with
Speaker 1: our kids, and I know that's what you want vice versa.
Speaker 1: They will be they will, But I have never ever
Speaker 1: felt love like this in my life. And again always
Speaker 1: goes back to drinking. Jur Will be like, you love
Speaker 1: this dog more than daddy, And I'm like, I walk
Speaker 1: in and I'm like, kind of guys, I can say
Speaker 1: hi to my dogs and then Kyld be sitting there.
Speaker 1: He's like, do I get any love? And I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're fine. He's like, you love your dogs more than
Speaker 1: you love me. I'm like, they were here before you, homie,
Speaker 1: and you know, so it's okay. It's all he understands.
Speaker 1: We love our husbands, but we definitely have a special
Speaker 1: place in our heart for our dogs, and especially I
Speaker 1: mean I remember when I got willis Um. I was
Speaker 1: actually dating someone else and he was like, don't get
Speaker 1: that dog, and I was like, don't tell me what
Speaker 1: to do, and so I got that dog, and that
Speaker 1: dog has been there through it. Oh yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I'm getting missy. Oh god. Yeah, Like I get how
Speaker 1: his dad died when he was six, Like how his
Speaker 1: dad was actually six years old. So I'm getting super panicky.
Speaker 1: And again, glass of wine. Get me Wayne know that
Speaker 1: because I'm psycho and we know his like he we
Speaker 1: know his family history and when how he was overweight.
Speaker 1: I was trying to check in on his dad's lineage,
Speaker 1: like in his weight and everything, to see how old
Speaker 1: his dad or how much his dad weighs. I remember this.
Speaker 1: We're on vacation in Hawaii. Jared was taking a nap
Speaker 1: and I looked it up. His dad's name was Sinko,
Speaker 1: and I know and he lives in Houston, the family does.
Speaker 1: And I looked up and I found his birth certificate
Speaker 1: and it said born and then death and I was like,
Speaker 1: what what what? And I immediately texted the owners because
Speaker 1: I know them, and they were like, we're so heartbroken.
Speaker 1: Six years is not long enough. So now I'm like,
Speaker 1: I can't handle that, like a whole genealogy for dogs,
Speaker 1: is it still a genealogy. I'll tell you who doesn't
Speaker 1: have that bloodline a bloodline his We know his bloodline
Speaker 1: because the way we got him is he is related
Speaker 1: somehow to one of my dogs growing up. My mom
Speaker 1: is a psycho Golden retriever mom that she found the
Speaker 1: bloodline of one of our dogs growing it up to Howie,
Speaker 1: shut up, this is how crazy we are. Oh my god. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is the difference. You and I have a lot
Speaker 1: of similarities and are completely different in this regard. I
Speaker 1: wanted to get this dog the aforementioned conversation when I
Speaker 1: was like dating someone else, He's like, you can't get
Speaker 1: that dog. Was like, I'm getting that dog anyways. It
Speaker 1: was what I believe to be a fifteen pound They
Speaker 1: called them click I was like a mini husky, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, those dogs are so cute.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget it. I was with my friend Elizabeth,
Speaker 1: We're in Chicago watching this dog walk across the street,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I want a dog like that.
Speaker 1: So I go online. I find this dog. Do zero
Speaker 1: research on anything, because that's me. I'm just an impulse fire.
Speaker 1: I bought the dog online. Six weeks later it came
Speaker 1: from Kansas. I picked it up at the airport and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, you're so cute. Then he kept
Speaker 1: growing and growing and growing. That dog is not what
Speaker 1: the dog was that I bought online. That was a
Speaker 1: straight bait and switch that woman from Kansas, which again
Speaker 1: speaks to me. I never followed up with her. I
Speaker 1: never called her. I wasn't like, hey, yo, you gave
Speaker 1: me a coyote from the backyard. Willis is not that
Speaker 1: dog at all that I thought I was getting. But
Speaker 1: I just went with it, and I'm like, well, here
Speaker 1: we are Willis. And so I did a DNA test
Speaker 1: on him because I tried to have him trained by
Speaker 1: a lot of dog trainers and they were like, does
Speaker 1: he have wolf and him now, all dogs are some
Speaker 1: sort of version of descendant from a wolf, but they're like,
Speaker 1: over a certain percentage, then we can't train him. And
Speaker 1: so I'm like, okay, so I did. I did a
Speaker 1: DNA test and turns out that he had seven percent
Speaker 1: wolf or something in it, which was like a lot
Speaker 1: I guess according to the dog trainer, I'm like, here
Speaker 1: we are, so you wanted a toy poodle and you
Speaker 1: got two socks from dances with wolves? What the hell?
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not kidding? Where is she running out
Speaker 1: there a puppy mill? I mean god? And then again,
Speaker 1: you know me, I felt bad. I bought the dogs
Speaker 1: and I got Daisy and she had all kinds of issues.
Speaker 1: But again, however you get your dog is up to
Speaker 1: you with such a personal preference. But I just we
Speaker 1: just love them, and I am just very impressed on
Speaker 1: your ability to do this kind of recon with your
Speaker 1: with your dog. That's all my mom and my mom
Speaker 1: found this dog and the breeder and everything. I remember
Speaker 1: we were doing a Steelers game and I was literally
Speaker 1: like writing the breeder a note, and like when he
Speaker 1: was born, they had a baby cam set up so
Speaker 1: we could check in on him, like a link and
Speaker 1: his litter, and that's what Jared and I would do.
Speaker 1: We would freaking look at this litter and send each
Speaker 1: other the pictures from it, like look at him, look
Speaker 1: at him, and then like when he remember the day
Speaker 1: he was born. We knew the day he was going
Speaker 1: to be born. I mean, this is crazy. I love
Speaker 1: his dog so much. Like, don't even get me started
Speaker 1: because the necklace you're wearing, and I got it for
Speaker 1: you because for me, I was like, there's nothing I
Speaker 1: can get this chick she doesn't already have. Oh, babe,
Speaker 1: you're crying. Oh. I love him so much. So the
Speaker 1: day he was born, Jared, I was doing a photo
Speaker 1: shot and Jared texted me and he said he's here.
Speaker 1: He's here, and I was like, oh my god. I
Speaker 1: hope I love kids as much because this thing, it's
Speaker 1: like ride or die. If he doesn't get along with
Speaker 1: the kids, Sorry, Jarrett, You're gonna be with them. I'm
Speaker 1: with this thing for the rest of my life. Aaron.
Speaker 1: I just love you so much that you're crying over
Speaker 1: how how Oh he's my angel. He is not an angel,
Speaker 1: but so much. You're the best. Dogs are the best.
Speaker 1: And I can't wait for our next guest. He is
Speaker 1: an expert at all things dog, and uh, I'm really
Speaker 1: excited because watching his show makes me emotional because he
Speaker 1: has this incredible ability to go into people's homes and
Speaker 1: take these dogs that you know just haven't been trained
Speaker 1: the right way. And and um, I'm really looking forward
Speaker 1: to speaking to him more. In the stories, and how
Speaker 1: he even got into what is now his life's passion
Speaker 1: and able to help so many people because of his
Speaker 1: incredible skill set. So I believe we're going to take
Speaker 1: our first break here. Aaron grab a tissue day a while.
Speaker 1: I wonder if I even love my dogs as much.
Speaker 1: Probably not as much, but um we gott playing more
Speaker 1: Calm Down podcast coming up right after this Jazz Love
Speaker 1: Barette at break Well. There's really no introduction because we're
Speaker 1: not formal here. I told Aaron when we started this podcast,
Speaker 1: I said, there's a few people that I need to
Speaker 1: talk to, and you are one of them. We are
Speaker 1: so appreciative of you coming on. I have a I
Speaker 1: a German Shepherd rescue, and I have this husky mix
Speaker 1: that was supposed to be a fifteen pound, cleek guy
Speaker 1: that turned into a seventy five pound wolf because I
Speaker 1: did a DNA test and he is a hot mess. Uh.
Speaker 1: No one's even allowed to come over to my house
Speaker 1: because he doesn't he doesn't do well with others. Aaron
Speaker 1: has a gorgeous Golden retriever who is far more well
Speaker 1: behaved than my dogs. Will get into that later. So
Speaker 1: we both share an affinity for for dogs. But congratulations
Speaker 1: on everything that you've done and and watching your show. Oh,
Speaker 1: you just have this ability to connect not only with
Speaker 1: the dogs but owners, and you make it so so personal,
Speaker 1: like your approach is different than anybody else that I've
Speaker 1: ever seen. How do you feel about this last year
Speaker 1: and the spotlight that's been shown on your ability that
Speaker 1: you know you have had for a long time. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, our whole goal was to make sure that
Speaker 1: we had something to you know, bring people out of
Speaker 1: the pandemic with some hope and some inspiration. It was
Speaker 1: all love that we wanted to just display in this piece.
Speaker 1: Shout out at least during my director, and she basically
Speaker 1: took me. I told her, I said, look, at least
Speaker 1: we're not doing anything corny. No, huh, reality, you know,
Speaker 1: the type of stuff like it needed to be, like
Speaker 1: what it was was organic, And she kept it. She
Speaker 1: would ever still tell the story and really capture what
Speaker 1: we do and how we do it. Shout out my team.
Speaker 1: We're able to get a lot done in twenty four
Speaker 1: days of shooting, So a lot of people don't know that.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of fact and we usually have to
Speaker 1: do things and uh yeah, we're able to get a
Speaker 1: lot done, and I'm just glad it came a bout
Speaker 1: how it did. It was great. I'm really proud of
Speaker 1: the work and I'm really excited to continue. So can
Speaker 1: we get your background? What is your story? What? Where? When? Why? How?
Speaker 1: We're sports reporters, so that's how we like to know
Speaker 1: how to interview people. What made you get into this?
Speaker 1: What's the backstory with it? Well? Me, I was always
Speaker 1: like a like one of those kids. I was like
Speaker 1: a d H D all over the place, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of an entertainer. I'd always be trying to like
Speaker 1: disrupt the class and make a bunch of people laugh
Speaker 1: and do something that was like that was like me,
Speaker 1: Like that's how I learned, like I can't sit still
Speaker 1: like I need to do unless I'm engaged. And that's
Speaker 1: what it was, you know. But dogs and animals always
Speaker 1: kept me engaged, you know, and it was something that
Speaker 1: would catch my attention, so circle B. I mean that
Speaker 1: was just the source from when I was young. But
Speaker 1: then later on, you know, I ended up having dogs,
Speaker 1: you know, living with my mom's you know, single mother,
Speaker 1: and the house wanted to make sure we have a
Speaker 1: little edge edge with some protection got some pit bulls
Speaker 1: and wanted to teach him. Really got exposed to seeing
Speaker 1: protection training for the first time. So I got kind
Speaker 1: of hooked at like eleven years old, and it was like,
Speaker 1: I want to be gumming to my dogs. I want
Speaker 1: to do all this stuff. I wanted to be able
Speaker 1: to be my body guards, you know, through not no
Speaker 1: matter what, you know, It's like it just it just
Speaker 1: made sense to me. And then I kind of came
Speaker 1: up and evolved, got into the cannabis industry, tapped back
Speaker 1: into the dog said all right, well we now we
Speaker 1: need security, you know. And I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: We'm gonna train these dogs and teach them how to protect,
Speaker 1: but then not only teach them how to protect, but
Speaker 1: learn how to teach them how to protect, you know.
Speaker 1: And then from there I really got involved in the
Speaker 1: dog sports and protection training were You know that because
Speaker 1: I played a lot of sports growing up. You know,
Speaker 1: my athletic ability. A lot of people like, uh, as
Speaker 1: a decoy, you get to do all the bite work,
Speaker 1: the guy who gets bit and I was able to
Speaker 1: just get around a lot of different circles of trainers
Speaker 1: because you know, I had the athletic and physical ability
Speaker 1: to work the dogs. And then, um, yeah, I just
Speaker 1: then I was entrepreneur from Oakland, so you know, this
Speaker 1: land of the hustlers. You know, we learned how to
Speaker 1: you know, make it happen, you know, from nothing. So
Speaker 1: I watched my mom as a businesswoman, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: I watched her hustle out of the Orange Dotson out
Speaker 1: the trunk, you know, putting products in in the bottle
Speaker 1: and you know, clearing people's face up and stuff. So
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, it's it's it's kind of in
Speaker 1: my bloodline, you know, less like just the mentality of
Speaker 1: my environment right there. Amen, And there's not enough time
Speaker 1: for me to ask all the questions I want to
Speaker 1: ask you. But again Aaron mentioned it like being the
Speaker 1: sports reporters, like the background that we have. But there's
Speaker 1: a lot of stories about guys. I just went down
Speaker 1: to Miami and talked to Dalvin Cook about you know,
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook didn't go till the second round as a
Speaker 1: running back and now he's, you know, arguably one of
Speaker 1: the best, the best running back in the league coming
Speaker 1: off the performance he had last year. But he talked
Speaker 1: about how he slipped to that second round because of
Speaker 1: his upbringing and he made some mistakes along the way,
Speaker 1: and the environment in Miami. He grew up in a
Speaker 1: in a tough neighborhood. So a lot of your story
Speaker 1: does it's about where it is that like you come
Speaker 1: from and seeing Marshawn and seeing you know, and and
Speaker 1: I used to work with Gary Payton and these guys
Speaker 1: in northern California and talking about the area that is Oakland.
Speaker 1: So what is it about where you grew up that
Speaker 1: you think has made you who you are today? And
Speaker 1: why you think it resonates with the consumer? Because again,
Speaker 1: like now being on the platform, like there's a consumer
Speaker 1: for your product, right, like we consume your product. Why
Speaker 1: you think it resonates differently because of your upbringing or
Speaker 1: because of the neighborhood you grew up. Well, I think
Speaker 1: that Oakland is one of the places you just can't
Speaker 1: be fake. You can't try to like be tough, you know,
Speaker 1: unless you really are to you know. So it's like
Speaker 1: you know all of that, you know, wanna bees, you
Speaker 1: know you're gonna get caught out on that. And I
Speaker 1: think justice this from playing up in pop winner football
Speaker 1: to you know, growing up running around and bikes and
Speaker 1: and just dealing with you know, just the overball was
Speaker 1: crazy because we grew up in Oakland when it was
Speaker 1: like the nineties, like the early nineties when it was
Speaker 1: like crazy, like crack epidemic was crazy. Everything. All these
Speaker 1: old gangster shows that they make now were about places
Speaker 1: like Oakland. And plus we had the hold Black Panther,
Speaker 1: you know, movement, and we had everything going on with
Speaker 1: just just hip hop and Oakland and just I mean
Speaker 1: it was just this just a trip, man. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful. So I mean I give a lot
Speaker 1: of uh you know, pay how much to my city,
Speaker 1: Pay how much everybody who comes from my city, because
Speaker 1: you know, everybody g p be small. You know, Raphael Saideek,
Speaker 1: all these people would tell you like and you know,
Speaker 1: even Dwayne Wiggins, like his partner, if you guys know
Speaker 1: Tony Tony Tony, you know, like he's still again, he
Speaker 1: still got that, you know what I mean. So I
Speaker 1: can put up you know, Dwayne Wiggins right now and
Speaker 1: we'll we'll talk about Oakland and we'll be playing jams,
Speaker 1: will be smoking weed or whatever it is, like it's
Speaker 1: like it's or organic, and you know that's the thing
Speaker 1: is like, can't nobody take that away. And when that
Speaker 1: is when people see that, because the world is so
Speaker 1: full of nonsense and fakeness, and when people see that,
Speaker 1: they really, you know, I think he gravitates to that.
Speaker 1: So that's all we're trying to do is give you
Speaker 1: all a piece of um. Just what like you know,
Speaker 1: it's like an urban entrepreneur. You know, we're trying to
Speaker 1: like be It's bigger than just being be smaller being
Speaker 1: Gary Payton, like with hustlers in different kind of ways,
Speaker 1: you know, and we got financially intelligent. We know how
Speaker 1: to balance check books and pay off our debts and
Speaker 1: and create accounts and do all these different things. And
Speaker 1: it's like people forget like hustlers and the whole the
Speaker 1: whole persona being like a street hustler. You're really like
Speaker 1: a businessman. That's the whole thing. Is like you want
Speaker 1: to show like new age businessman within these communities like Oakland, California.
Speaker 1: So new age businessman. I mean, I've got, like Chris mentioned,
Speaker 1: I have a seventy pound Golden Retriever sitting next to me.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm obsessed with dog trainers. We've been to some
Speaker 1: what separates you? What's different about what you you know
Speaker 1: with your Netflix show congrats on season two, by the way,
Speaker 1: saw that. But what's different about things officials? Okay, it is.
Speaker 1: It is official. I'm gonna go ahead and say, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're good. You can put that into the to the
Speaker 1: to the university. But what's different is just an understanding
Speaker 1: of dogs, you know, just being able to really be
Speaker 1: fully immersing dogs and really do dive deep um, really
Speaker 1: getting into temperament of different dogs, dealing with the highest
Speaker 1: caliber of dogs, dealing with the most sensitive of dogs,
Speaker 1: and being able to just understand the full spectrum of
Speaker 1: the animal, and being able to teach and convey it
Speaker 1: to the people. So you know, you guys talk sports.
Speaker 1: We can talk sports and dogs. You can talk cars
Speaker 1: and dogs. We can talk to those about getting into
Speaker 1: the people because the people have to continue on. When
Speaker 1: I'm going, I can't stay with people twenty four to day,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I have to get
Speaker 1: the message, get it through them, make it resonate. Sometimes
Speaker 1: we gotta be a little bit firmer to get it crossed.
Speaker 1: They don't in time, you know, I mean, if I play,
Speaker 1: then you're gonna sit there and not really take it serious.
Speaker 1: So it's like it's all about really just kind of
Speaker 1: understand the temperament of the person we're dealing with plus
Speaker 1: the temperament or the dog we're dealing with the environment
Speaker 1: that time. Some dogs they're gonna get put to sleep
Speaker 1: if they don't get it fixed right now. Is that
Speaker 1: we don't have six months, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like you just take person like let the leash go
Speaker 1: or something happen and that's that's another you know, dog
Speaker 1: that can be harmed or something. So it's like a
Speaker 1: lot of this stuff is just depends a case by
Speaker 1: case basis. The kids well change with the difference in
Speaker 1: Kalie Kanine is we worry about temperament, not breathe that
Speaker 1: we worry about what's good for the dog, not this
Speaker 1: style or that style. It's like we're trying to get
Speaker 1: saved this dog. Is the main thing. What I love
Speaker 1: so much about your show is obviously you're there to
Speaker 1: reform the behavior of the dog, but the emphasis is
Speaker 1: there's no bad dogs. It's the individuals that owned the dog,
Speaker 1: right And there was yeah yeah in season one and
Speaker 1: I apologize in their names, but the couple that there
Speaker 1: was a dissonance between the couple, right, the guy was
Speaker 1: more firm and the wife was like, I just want
Speaker 1: to be nice the dog and he's like, no, we
Speaker 1: have to be firm. And you did this incredible job
Speaker 1: of of saying like, Mike and Tasha, there you go.
Speaker 1: Thank you Mike and Tasha. And what resonated with me
Speaker 1: in that situation is is I found myself a lot
Speaker 1: with my husband's like he's nicer and I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: we have to be firm. And there is this dichotomy
Speaker 1: that it ends up creating a rift in the relationship
Speaker 1: between us. But our only goal is to help the dogs.
Speaker 1: We just don't know how how to do it. So
Speaker 1: when you walk into a situation, how are you so
Speaker 1: successful with your communication to the owners? Because again the
Speaker 1: emphasis that there's no bad dogs, it's just it's our
Speaker 1: fault as owners. What would you say to someone that's
Speaker 1: listening right now that you would say, like, what's the
Speaker 1: number one thing as owners we should pay attention to
Speaker 1: well as an owner, as a CEO, as a parent,
Speaker 1: whatever you are. In a leadership role, you have to
Speaker 1: figure out what engages your team. And the key is
Speaker 1: when you know what engages them, then you can build
Speaker 1: value in that and then leverage that to get stuff done.
Speaker 1: Because everybody wants to work. Then we're all selfish in
Speaker 1: the way. We all want what we want, whether it's
Speaker 1: a job freedom and financial freedom, is want to go
Speaker 1: to the beach, we all want what we want. So
Speaker 1: when you tap into that and you're able to channel
Speaker 1: that and get the dog really engaged, focused on the
Speaker 1: focus on the source of the issue, which is lack
Speaker 1: of engagement, and not just trying to go fix the problem,
Speaker 1: because once you have engagement, a lot of times the
Speaker 1: problem to fix themselves because you're able to expose the
Speaker 1: dog and directly and not making such an event. It's
Speaker 1: like the dog can experience because it's able to put
Speaker 1: his energy in a dopemine state versus an anxious state.
Speaker 1: What do you mean by that? That's when you say
Speaker 1: a dope meine sate. For those people that don't know
Speaker 1: what a dopean state is, the dope means stated, you're happy,
Speaker 1: you're fun place where you are in your mind mentally,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You're depressed. You gotta go
Speaker 1: have fun, you gotta go turn up. You know, you
Speaker 1: gotta get with your people who are gonna keep you up,
Speaker 1: you know, and a lot of times people get depressed,
Speaker 1: you have to you know, check, you have to redirect
Speaker 1: that energy and figure out what it is. And that's
Speaker 1: the same thing with the dogs, whether they're nervous or distracted.
Speaker 1: Because of distracted dog needs engagement. A nervous dog needs engagement.
Speaker 1: And then you need support. They need they need compassion,
Speaker 1: they need you know, patience, and then from me build
Speaker 1: them up into being more confident and less sensitive, you know,
Speaker 1: and eventually they're like, hey, you know, they're like little
Speaker 1: Andrew and that in the show. So it's like even
Speaker 1: with kids like you, you pump them up and you
Speaker 1: get them up, you know, and then you support that
Speaker 1: you give that behavior. Like first thing I said, like, hey,
Speaker 1: good eye contact, Acknowledge what you like, don't always look
Speaker 1: at what you don't, look what you like. And then
Speaker 1: from there then they're gonna get build some communication, you know,
Speaker 1: and the dogs and say instead of trying to fix me,
Speaker 1: let's engage me, let's get some trust you you see
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like if I come and see you
Speaker 1: comes to the company and they start telling everybody, well,
Speaker 1: this is the new structure and blah blah, blah people
Speaker 1: like whoa, whoa, whoa. You know, and that's just natural.
Speaker 1: You know, if you got to just win your trust,
Speaker 1: and if you win the trust, then the dog will
Speaker 1: go anywhere with you. Then you don't have to do
Speaker 1: anything really abrasive or anything. The dogs just wants to roll.
Speaker 1: You just want to be coming to anything. You're just
Speaker 1: helping the dog along the process. It's really coming from
Speaker 1: a compassionate place. But again understanding temperament, understanding what the
Speaker 1: dog needs, understand what they want. How to build more value.
Speaker 1: You know, you think one piece of food and stretch
Speaker 1: out the whole training section, or you can give it
Speaker 1: to them for doing nothing. You see what I mean.
Speaker 1: So how you leverage it and how you build fun
Speaker 1: Like for me, I'm a very motivational trainer, very positive.
Speaker 1: I got treats, trays, toys, I'm scratching in your chest,
Speaker 1: your belly, behind your ears, I know all these different
Speaker 1: places where it's not just a pet. It's like an exciting,
Speaker 1: accelerated pet. It's not it's a piece of food. It's
Speaker 1: like a whole game that we're gonna do for this food.
Speaker 1: It's not a toy. That's how we let you win
Speaker 1: and you feel like you accomplish the world. So when
Speaker 1: you get in that kind of state, you're ready to
Speaker 1: do more. You're willing to like do things in order
Speaker 1: to get that feedback. What's the number one mistake people
Speaker 1: make that you find? I think, Yeah, so I think
Speaker 1: trying to number one, under stimulating their dog, under engaging
Speaker 1: their dog, believe, or not under correcting their dog. Right,
Speaker 1: So we'll talk straight on that. Right, So what happens.
Speaker 1: You can under correct correct your dog and go hey, no,
Speaker 1: don't do that, Dallas stimulate the dog, versus like, hey
Speaker 1: don't do that. They get like, okay, you mean business.
Speaker 1: So the thing is like the reshold of the dog
Speaker 1: is like you could say a word, but it doesn't
Speaker 1: have any value unless you pair it with something. And again,
Speaker 1: if you get the dog engaged, that's always gonna be
Speaker 1: your first alternative. But you're gonna have competing motivators and
Speaker 1: you're gonna have certain situations that are you know, again
Speaker 1: we'd of dangerous dogs there for kids and for for
Speaker 1: for people, and you have to be able to like
Speaker 1: correct those issues otherwise you're gonna run into, you know,
Speaker 1: dangerous situations and the dogs established things through confrontation, not negotiation.
Speaker 1: That's the pact, whole dynamic, that's important, that's thank you.
Speaker 1: I want to interject confrontation, not negotiation. So dogs respond
Speaker 1: better to negotiation not confrontation. No, they they they're not
Speaker 1: going to sit at around table necessarily a reason. Yeah
Speaker 1: see what I mean, like if you got a let
Speaker 1: me get let me get an example. So I'm at
Speaker 1: the dog park the other day. I've got this this
Speaker 1: and because breeds are important, because breeds the DNA it's
Speaker 1: very it's like humans pretorial interstinct. So my willis is
Speaker 1: half shiba, so you know, attitude, stubborn exactly, KLi kai
Speaker 1: uh DNA test this cats ten percent wolf like this
Speaker 1: cats like you know, there's self self, self preserve and
Speaker 1: just very like an individual where they don't need anybody.
Speaker 1: I had I had a dog trainer, like straight up
Speaker 1: l a p D like retired K nine trainer come
Speaker 1: over to my house and he goes, you got to
Speaker 1: test this dog, And I go, what do you mean?
Speaker 1: He goes, because if there's more than ten percent wolf
Speaker 1: and him, I can't do anything because like that's just
Speaker 1: who he is. I d n a test him. This
Speaker 1: cat is ten percent wolf, and I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: here we are so but so. But I'm at the
Speaker 1: dog park the other day and I was like, Willis,
Speaker 1: we're leaving. We're leaving that, let's go. So I got
Speaker 1: the other. I got the I got the German shepherd Daisy.
Speaker 1: She's very obedient, she's my rescue she. All she wants
Speaker 1: to do is please me whatever will Is is. The
Speaker 1: Shiba wants to defy like everything. And finally I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm out. I took a Daisy to the car. I
Speaker 1: like drove out of the parking lot. I left Willis
Speaker 1: in the parking lot because I was like, I'm out
Speaker 1: on this thing. And I was like, I can't leave
Speaker 1: a dog here. So I drove back and Willis was
Speaker 1: waiting for me. Oh my god, you left him a
Speaker 1: hundred percent because I was like, you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: leaving him here because I know his friends stand he's
Speaker 1: gonna be fine. But I'm like, why do I have
Speaker 1: to sit here and bake this dog to come with me?
Speaker 1: So what can I do in that situation? Or what
Speaker 1: am I not doing as an owner that's right or wrong?
Speaker 1: When this cat won't come create more value and have
Speaker 1: more of an absolute system of recalls, So I don't
Speaker 1: train the dog awfu leash until I have a dependable recall.
Speaker 1: The lash allows me to like really man, And I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, you know, because so what happens is
Speaker 1: he gets becomes conditioned to being motivated to do it.
Speaker 1: Plus he has to be and only he has to
Speaker 1: do it is because he's motivated and I have him
Speaker 1: on leash. He gave me a straight middle finger at
Speaker 1: the dog park. He's like, I'm gonna stay here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why his level of distraction like why would he
Speaker 1: want to leave wolf or not? Right? You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Especially having fun, So it has value there
Speaker 1: and then from there you have to um, you know,
Speaker 1: practice that and then you start proofing their obedience with distractions,
Speaker 1: small levels of distractions until you go into the dog
Speaker 1: park and expect to have an awfulah recall. So I
Speaker 1: shouldn't I shouldn't let him off leash. Then you gotta
Speaker 1: do everything on lash a lot of times, like six
Speaker 1: foot leash and you go like ten foot of leash
Speaker 1: and your fifty the lash, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Once you got and you can kind of like drop
Speaker 1: the leash and start working it, But so when can
Speaker 1: you come to Los Angeles help? So I'm coming with
Speaker 1: I have a tour of the first week of May,
Speaker 1: and then I have online training. We have an online
Speaker 1: training at fifteen minutes a day on Instagram and then
Speaker 1: on Mondays and Fridays and yeah, we're always training. Oh
Speaker 1: that's our slogan, always training. So the kids is like
Speaker 1: you you condition your wolf, hybrid, whatever you have, because
Speaker 1: obviously it's your dog. You know, he's gonna be around, right,
Speaker 1: so it doesn't matter what I do is like say,
Speaker 1: temper said wolf, then that means I gotta train another
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean. It's like you just
Speaker 1: gotta to say wherever you're off balance, you know. I's
Speaker 1: like you've got strong arms, you gotta work double legs,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like you've got small
Speaker 1: legs and it's the same thing. So dogs have temperament imbalances.
Speaker 1: And then from there you like kind of conversate for him.
Speaker 1: So it's like a mathematical equation. But we just teach
Speaker 1: people how to do it through. What people don't understand
Speaker 1: is your part therapist as well. If they do not
Speaker 1: understand that when you come into the picture. They're gonna
Speaker 1: hear a lot about what they're doing wrong and figure
Speaker 1: out why the hell they're doing it wrong, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: you really don't get paid enough to be both a
Speaker 1: trainer and a therapist for these people. Give us some
Speaker 1: sort of story and you don't have to name names.
Speaker 1: Just how hard it is to get into the heads
Speaker 1: of these owners. It's about you, my friend. It is
Speaker 1: well what happens is the busier to client. You know,
Speaker 1: that's the hardest part because when you're busy, then it's
Speaker 1: like you expect like everybody else is at your foot,
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, you can you know,
Speaker 1: pay for this, So we have to train the dog.
Speaker 1: So the dog is right there at there at this
Speaker 1: So sometimes they can't train. We have to training because
Speaker 1: they even then the dog still knows what, you know.
Speaker 1: So if they're like if they see like, oh, you're
Speaker 1: gonna repeat, Oh, you're gonna ignore the fact that I
Speaker 1: just blew off, they're kind interesting to see what's going on.
Speaker 1: And my son doesn't like this is a fool, Like
Speaker 1: you know, it's like every day he's saying, like, Dad,
Speaker 1: you'n serious? And then I said, I'm serious, and then
Speaker 1: I take them away and I re engage myself something else.
Speaker 1: But now it's almost like a game, like now he knows,
Speaker 1: but no, Me like no, and he goes and he
Speaker 1: looks like, daddy, you got run away. You know. So
Speaker 1: it's like the thing is that everybody's trying to test
Speaker 1: to see where the relationship. People test each other at work,
Speaker 1: people test each other in every kind of way. So
Speaker 1: dogs is no different. It's just if they win or not.
Speaker 1: And it's not like you don't have to overdiscipline them
Speaker 1: for not. You just have to ensure that they end
Speaker 1: up doing what you need him to do. And like
Speaker 1: I said, the whole goal is to just can kind
Speaker 1: of get it on a one command system to where
Speaker 1: you're not begging the dog, you know, because it's like
Speaker 1: one thing to like give a command and then a
Speaker 1: big you know. It's so interesting you say that because dogs,
Speaker 1: like children or a spouse in a relationship, we want
Speaker 1: to know what we can get away with, and we
Speaker 1: push the limits and we see where the line is.
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, they're serious, he said it, not me.
Speaker 1: I am raising my hand right here. It's strong. It's
Speaker 1: all the way up I do it in a relationship,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, there's the line, but it's just that. No,
Speaker 1: it's just that. And so I guess you know again,
Speaker 1: not everyone has access to someone like you. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: not everyone knows what to do. And I've seen in
Speaker 1: your show the frustration of owners. The frustration happens in myself.
Speaker 1: And these are animals. They can't communicate. They don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, to say to you, like hey, relax or whatever.
Speaker 1: So calm down. What would you what, Yeah, calm down?
Speaker 1: What would you suggest as owners that we can do
Speaker 1: a better job of just hearing our animals even though
Speaker 1: they don't know are vernacular? Well, the thing is is
Speaker 1: like they're not necessarily they don't hear you. But the
Speaker 1: thing is, like I said, you gotta tap into that engagement.
Speaker 1: Dogs want what they want. They need to be motivated.
Speaker 1: You know. It's like they have workers. Yeah, they need
Speaker 1: a job and you have to tap in you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like kids, me a job. Everybody
Speaker 1: needs socially, they need stimulation, physical and mental. So the
Speaker 1: thing is, you gotta do that part. It doesn't owner's part,
Speaker 1: to like tap into that and figure out what motivates them.
Speaker 1: From there, you gotta lead from there, you've got your
Speaker 1: training box and you could work on all your behaviors
Speaker 1: right there on that box and then from there to
Speaker 1: go onto the world. I've seen you with slash in
Speaker 1: the trainer box, so explain what that means and how
Speaker 1: can I build a trainer box? So I have them
Speaker 1: actually onca dot com. It's very too much elevated platform
Speaker 1: that allows the dog to do a straight sit, straight down,
Speaker 1: straight stand, you know, recall into a straight front position,
Speaker 1: and recall, you know, calling dog to a heel straight.
Speaker 1: So when you see like me doing all of this
Speaker 1: like robotic obedience, it's only because I'm just teaching the
Speaker 1: basic foundation and then we just build on like a house.
Speaker 1: A lot of times that people reinforced sloppy obedience, and
Speaker 1: my whole concept was taking working dog obedience and bringing
Speaker 1: it into pet obedience and not kind of settling like,
Speaker 1: oh that's just pet dogs and these are working dogs
Speaker 1: like no dogs and his dog training. So it's like mine.
Speaker 1: It's like a high. It's almost like a CrossFit where
Speaker 1: you have like heavy duty workouts for the average person,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: too crazy, but it's something's a high standard of just
Speaker 1: going and just hanging out the gym and not getting
Speaker 1: any results. Like it's like a program. So that's what
Speaker 1: we that's what we do the box and then you
Speaker 1: know I do with the same training, my clients do
Speaker 1: the same stuff. That's ass because they need to always,
Speaker 1: like you said, be stimulated, like they can never be
Speaker 1: bored because I feel like, well, just speaking from experience,
Speaker 1: once they're board, that's when they give you the middle
Speaker 1: finger and they're like, you know what, mom, it's your problem.
Speaker 1: And that's what I learned from the whole thing. Um.
Speaker 1: Any story that has absolutely inspired you along the way,
Speaker 1: that you know, is one that you keep close to
Speaker 1: your heart. Whether it's I'm just thinking of Caesar and
Speaker 1: when though I know one dog you know, bit him
Speaker 1: and he talked about that was the dog that sent
Speaker 1: him to the hospital and then he adopted that dog.
Speaker 1: Anything that has just you know, you always kind of
Speaker 1: tell this story that's inspired you. Yeah. Absolutely, I was.
Speaker 1: I was doing a regional championship for the Helper decoy
Speaker 1: work stuff in the Washington State and my mentor who
Speaker 1: played a huge role in my influence and teaching me
Speaker 1: the business of dogs and temperament other stuff. Who's that?
Speaker 1: His name is Bob Smith, and uh, Bob, you know,
Speaker 1: he taught me and I've learned from various trainers are
Speaker 1: all over, but I was just like he was one
Speaker 1: of like really took me in like a son, you know,
Speaker 1: and that was really cool. But we were doing a
Speaker 1: competition and there was his dog that was like rumored
Speaker 1: to be this super high caliber dog. He's like you
Speaker 1: in the in the protection sport we do as a
Speaker 1: hundred point protection dog, like super just strong and all
Speaker 1: of his drives like the perfect Belgian Malawa, except he
Speaker 1: he had already been two or three handlers, and those
Speaker 1: two or three handlers you know, again they probably you know,
Speaker 1: uh did something to like where he just kind of
Speaker 1: asserted his dominance and just said, hey, this is what
Speaker 1: it's gonna be. And sometimes in our motivational techniques we
Speaker 1: can kind of do a lot of bathing to make
Speaker 1: this dog look happy. But in the in the the
Speaker 1: dog has to know he can't just go and bite you.
Speaker 1: And what happens is he sent a couple of people,
Speaker 1: you know, to the e R and it was time
Speaker 1: for him to you know, find a new homes. So Bob,
Speaker 1: of course he says, I could do it. I'll take him.
Speaker 1: But in that process before kind of re transforming a dog,
Speaker 1: he brought him out to be a showcase for me
Speaker 1: while I was doing this helper try out. So we
Speaker 1: want to bring a nice dog show my work show,
Speaker 1: because as a helper you have to work like twenty
Speaker 1: and thirty dogs consistently the same way. And the judge
Speaker 1: wants to see this high level of like understanding of
Speaker 1: working a dog. So basically he brings his dog out,
Speaker 1: and as he's bringing it out, he tried to like
Speaker 1: you know, like move a collar around, and the dog
Speaker 1: just turns up and starts biting him and just going
Speaker 1: to ask him all out attack. And this is like
Speaker 1: big police dog, like serious, and he has no equipment,
Speaker 1: no nothing. Everybody around him just scattered like roaches. And
Speaker 1: I'm all the way down the field and I'm the
Speaker 1: one with the protective equipment. So I come down. I
Speaker 1: take on the fight from the dog. He bites me.
Speaker 1: You know, we get him under control, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: we we load him up, and I see vibe and
Speaker 1: he's got his whole tendant like from all the way here,
Speaker 1: like out of his arm, just hanging like a piece
Speaker 1: of spaginning, and I see him with this laceration in
Speaker 1: his hand and this one and this one, and I
Speaker 1: had to come to my dissensus like, oh, ship, like
Speaker 1: this is what dog training can get you. This is
Speaker 1: what this is the type of as we deal with
Speaker 1: this is you know. So you know, it just made
Speaker 1: me understand, like you can only trust the dog based
Speaker 1: on the history, you know, and what he shows you,
Speaker 1: what he proves as you're training, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm never really just jumping on the dog,
Speaker 1: like like trusting a dog before he shows me that
Speaker 1: I can trust him. That's so interesting that he said,
Speaker 1: So I don't have children. I hope to have children
Speaker 1: in the next few years. But I think about, like,
Speaker 1: my dogs are my babies, right, and my German Shepherd
Speaker 1: and Willis, and like they're aggressive and like a lot
Speaker 1: of my friends don't want to come over because they're
Speaker 1: so you know, protective of me in my environment and
Speaker 1: insecure with themselves. So a lot of times that's the
Speaker 1: biggest I think that's the biggest misconception if people said
Speaker 1: my dogs are because they see aggression of sixteen dimensions
Speaker 1: of aggression. Okay, what's so interesting that you just said that.
Speaker 1: When I got Willis, they were like literally in the
Speaker 1: description of Willis was like he's insecure, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I mean the dog's insecure. The dog was six months old.
Speaker 1: I like, that dog's insecure and it's like he has
Speaker 1: self esteem is And I laughed. I laughed at it. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: so can you help me before I get into my
Speaker 1: second tier question? And again I could ask you seven
Speaker 1: hundred questions, but you have a life, so you have
Speaker 1: to get on with your day. But real quickly, like
Speaker 1: if the dog, if in my case, Willis, is insecure
Speaker 1: or has and I like laughed at it because I'm like, what,
Speaker 1: this dog lives in Malibu and he's got three incredible
Speaker 1: meals today and he's got a dog. How's this dog insecure? Right? Whatever?
Speaker 1: Like what do I do for that? So it's almost
Speaker 1: like kids, you think, oh, because I raised him here
Speaker 1: and he has this life and this and that, it's
Speaker 1: like he is who he is as a temperam as
Speaker 1: a person. You know. So sometimes it's confidence issue, sometimes
Speaker 1: socialability issues, sometimes you know, manners all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh that's kind of how you shape behavior and that's
Speaker 1: where we're all the same and we're just a product
Speaker 1: of like what the society has allowed us to get
Speaker 1: away with, you see. I mean like it's like your
Speaker 1: manager or your dog or you kind of rude, you
Speaker 1: push here and this or that. So again the same
Speaker 1: thing with the dogs. Sometimes people are mean because they're insecure,
Speaker 1: you see. So they're they're actually playing off their you
Speaker 1: know what, their insecurities and then they kind of like
Speaker 1: we aggressive with people a lot of times with with
Speaker 1: dog behavior, um, and sometimes that's the case. Like sometimes
Speaker 1: they're scared because they're scared, they're lashing out to overcompensation.
Speaker 1: Yeah I'm tough, but they're really not tough. They're really
Speaker 1: just saying, help me, help me. So the thing is
Speaker 1: like those kind of dogs, we addressed that issue by
Speaker 1: like not taking him straight into the distraction or whatever
Speaker 1: it is they're freaking out about. We do everything distraction free,
Speaker 1: you know, all full motivation. Again, we tap into that dopeamin,
Speaker 1: We tap into that motivation, and then we gradually move
Speaker 1: them into that whole space of socialism. I need all
Speaker 1: the insecure for how can Yeah, that's all easy stuff,
Speaker 1: like that's what do Yeah, through the process and the
Speaker 1: thing is whether we do it or whether we show
Speaker 1: somebody how to do somebody's got to do it. Somebody's
Speaker 1: gotta put in the work, somebody's got to spend the
Speaker 1: time with dog. Somebody takes for repetitions. You know, we
Speaker 1: say it's like three or four thousand repetitions before your
Speaker 1: dog really gets what you know, what it means. So
Speaker 1: if you're not training those kind of repetitions, then how's
Speaker 1: your dog gonna know? So you never worried when you
Speaker 1: had your your your son, You never worried about behavior,
Speaker 1: slash or you know, any dogs that were around your son. No,
Speaker 1: but I understand dogs, and I understand like I have
Speaker 1: a twenty pound toddler and I have a dog a
Speaker 1: supermotivate and you know him not do anything by ill will,
Speaker 1: but he might run passing and the process abup and
Speaker 1: he my bump is here. So you have to like
Speaker 1: think worst case scenario. And that's why I move how
Speaker 1: I move, Like you know, dogs when they're come in
Speaker 1: the house a certain like inside behavior because of what
Speaker 1: could happen. I always kind of think, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: I always say optimistic, but it's always good to be
Speaker 1: you know, precautious at the same time. So no, I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't have any issues like Slash and Moosa. All
Speaker 1: his dogs, all our dogs are really solid with him.
Speaker 1: He's confident with them. And now it's all I just again,
Speaker 1: I just always you know, he even him, like you
Speaker 1: have to watch him up the stairs doing the block
Speaker 1: maybe blocks and getting in the drawers because this is
Speaker 1: what they do. So you have to, like we go
Speaker 1: with dogs like they're hyperactive and they're getting into trouble.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, it's not that they're getting in trouble. They
Speaker 1: just need to be stimulated and they're gonna stimulate themselves
Speaker 1: if you don't stimulate. The same thing goes as a kid. Kids,
Speaker 1: You just you know, they for hours. More dogs or kids.
Speaker 1: I like them both. I love you know. Raising my
Speaker 1: son is amazing, you know, because it's like you're constantly
Speaker 1: like shaping his baby, you know. And even like my wife,
Speaker 1: she's always like teaching them new things, and I'm just
Speaker 1: like wow, like you're teaching them, like beating me and
Speaker 1: teaching them stuff because she spends the time, and you know,
Speaker 1: they practice and she spends the time, and it's like
Speaker 1: with the repetition and he's just turned into his own
Speaker 1: little person, like this one year old little person, and
Speaker 1: it's just a productive like you know, shaping his behavior
Speaker 1: and his experiences, and he's being responsible and he's listening,
Speaker 1: he's doing a lot of things, but he's still a baby,
Speaker 1: so you have to understand that and you know, kind
Speaker 1: of set him up for success. So it's very similar
Speaker 1: in so many ways. But I can't love being a day.
Speaker 1: It's like the ultimate. All the dog training I did
Speaker 1: and everything is really like made this really cool. So
Speaker 1: so what's next for you? What I mean, I hate
Speaker 1: that question when people ask me, but I'm so interested.
Speaker 1: Where do you want to take this thing? Um? Well,
Speaker 1: we're gonna continue to film because I think that's the
Speaker 1: best way to get our content out there to the world.
Speaker 1: You know, people can do internet and thing. It's really cool.
Speaker 1: We got a tour coming on national international tour, got
Speaker 1: the online training and got Oikana dot com store, merch
Speaker 1: training Kids Underdogs program for nonprofit for you know disadvantage,
Speaker 1: you you know, kind of big brother program talking to
Speaker 1: the positive change. We're going to the prisons, work with
Speaker 1: the image and uh helping them getting so helps rescue
Speaker 1: this plus guys getting out of uh you know a
Speaker 1: lot of our guys, you know they can have you know,
Speaker 1: uh trouble past. But you know, we can reabilitate dogs,
Speaker 1: we can rehabilitate humans, We can reabilitate everybody, but we
Speaker 1: really rehabilitate the world's love and just you know, doing
Speaker 1: good work and uh surround ourselves with positivity. Not giving
Speaker 1: the ages too much? Is you know energy. I love
Speaker 1: that before we let you go. Um, so much of
Speaker 1: what you have said resonates with me, and like I
Speaker 1: will do my best to apply it. And also come
Speaker 1: on tour when you're in Los Angeles because I need
Speaker 1: all the help I can get. But I come to
Speaker 1: l A I need it. I need you. Um. But
Speaker 1: but I was telling Aaron, like when we started this podcast,
Speaker 1: it was like why I wanted you on. I watching
Speaker 1: your show. You just have an incredible it will make
Speaker 1: the emotional weird, but like you have this awesome ability
Speaker 1: to connect with people, and like you make people's lives
Speaker 1: better because of it. And like I'm getting emotional because
Speaker 1: like I almost had to get rid of my dog
Speaker 1: because she didn't get along with my other dog, and
Speaker 1: like I can't imagine like not having her, So my
Speaker 1: emotions like you have an ability to like keep dogs
Speaker 1: with the families are supposed to be with, Like you
Speaker 1: have an ability to keep dogs when like you know,
Speaker 1: the kids like don't aren't good with dogs, or the
Speaker 1: dogs aren't good with kids. Like you an angel? Actually
Speaker 1: she's saying you're an angel, a full blown angel, and
Speaker 1: like no, And why my emotion is weird is because,
Speaker 1: like I love, I don't have kids, so like my
Speaker 1: dogs are my kids, so I can't imagine like having
Speaker 1: to get rid of them because they're gonna like attack
Speaker 1: my children in the future. So I think what you
Speaker 1: offer people is like this ability, as we've seen in
Speaker 1: the relationship up in like your episodes, to keep relationships together,
Speaker 1: to keep families together, and to keep a community together,
Speaker 1: because there is a sense of like when you have
Speaker 1: the dog that you feel protective in that community where
Speaker 1: it's like it's a little sketchy and like that dog
Speaker 1: protects you. So the emotions coming from a place of
Speaker 1: like what you do is far greater than dog training.
Speaker 1: Do you feel that? Is that why you do this?
Speaker 1: Is that you know, sorry for my emotion, but like
Speaker 1: I just love it. Yeah, for sure, I always say
Speaker 1: it's bigger than dogs. You know. I think my community
Speaker 1: like might keep my closest friends around me. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, we I really give them a lot of
Speaker 1: um a credit, right because your people, your tribal who
Speaker 1: kind of keeps you on point, keep you humble, looks
Speaker 1: out for you, gives you real tips, real advice coming
Speaker 1: from place to love, you know. Um. And then just
Speaker 1: you know, I just really manage just doing good good
Speaker 1: in the world. You know, my mom, you know, she
Speaker 1: taught me to be a good person, you know, being
Speaker 1: a Muslim, you know, it's all about being a good
Speaker 1: person and really you know, helping your brother and putting
Speaker 1: on and giving, you know, giving your time and giving
Speaker 1: to your community. Um. And I think just you know,
Speaker 1: like that's just Oakland, that's you know you you talked to, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes our our our families are broken up
Speaker 1: in this place, but you've got a brotherhood that's like
Speaker 1: no other brotherhood. You know. So I got brothers who
Speaker 1: are like it's just like blood, Like I have blood
Speaker 1: brothers too, but then I have other brothers because I
Speaker 1: moved to the West Coast when I was two years old,
Speaker 1: and we moved to Oakland, and you know, it's just
Speaker 1: it's just good to like just it's just an organic thing,
Speaker 1: you know, and everybody just like I said, hold you
Speaker 1: accountable for stuff and like you know, but at the
Speaker 1: same time, it's like a crazy place. So you have
Speaker 1: to be street smart, you have to be sharp and
Speaker 1: really just trying to you know, take this game and
Speaker 1: give it to the world at the same time inspire
Speaker 1: to youth, you know, and hopefully you know, do some
Speaker 1: good work in the world while we're here. Thank you
Speaker 1: for doing it. Sorry to be weird and emotional, but
Speaker 1: like almost got emotion. I got a guy catch you
Speaker 1: know you don't love right there? You know. So like
Speaker 1: dogs are dogs are my family, and like you do,
Speaker 1: you have your shows. Your show is incredible. And what
Speaker 1: you do to keep you know, families protective and the
Speaker 1: unit and the whole thing. So keep doing what you dog. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: So like dogs and families and and and just you know,
Speaker 1: got all these issues going on in the world. It
Speaker 1: is like a weekend th dogs and you know, like
Speaker 1: floring other things. Man, it's like why not leverage through
Speaker 1: dogs and make it all Well, you're special. There's a
Speaker 1: reason that you stand out there's a reason that you're
Speaker 1: you know, of all the dog trainers you have this platform,
Speaker 1: you've obviously resonated with me enough to elicit this emotion.
Speaker 1: And I'm not the only one because I'm a hard
Speaker 1: shell to crack. So thank you for your energy, your love,
Speaker 1: and for your guidance because I will apply that to
Speaker 1: my own life. Thank you direct message. You know what
Speaker 1: I will. I will. I appreciate you and and above
Speaker 1: all else, like asking to your family and thank you
Speaker 1: for what you doing so nice to me. Keep doing
Speaker 1: what you're doing, and thank you too. So sweet. Hey guys,
Speaker 1: welcome back to Calm Down Podcast. I gotta be honest.
Speaker 1: If you are not dialed into our Instagram account which
Speaker 1: is calmed Down Podcast on the old, I g you're
Speaker 1: missing out. I mean, you're getting insight from me and
Speaker 1: my pajamas with my acne skin. Mean you give a
Speaker 1: lot on the on that Calm Down. I love that
Speaker 1: about you. You're giving people what they really want. I'm
Speaker 1: even like pleading to mitcham about our deodorant situation, which
Speaker 1: we gotta we gotta get back to that later on,
Speaker 1: you know, down the road. But I mean, for those
Speaker 1: of you who don't know. Aaron's really upset that her
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Speaker 1: I just can't find it anywhere. So I'm also mad
Speaker 1: because I d M them, will not DM them. I
Speaker 1: tagged them on the Calm Down i G account and
Speaker 1: they haven't looked at the message that I'm like a girl.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say, maybe he hasn't seen it. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, it's getting WiFi. Where is he right now? Um,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you where I am right now. Back on.
Speaker 1: After my emotional outburst with Jaws, I'm sorry, but, like
Speaker 1: you know, again, we started this episode with your emotion
Speaker 1: about your dogs. My emotion is about what it is
Speaker 1: that he does for families and the ability to keep
Speaker 1: them together and for the relationship to be stronger, because
Speaker 1: you know, you and Jared, like you know, any argument
Speaker 1: that you might get in that revolves around how he
Speaker 1: is rooted in a place of love and you just
Speaker 1: want the best for your dogs. So watching his episodes
Speaker 1: and watching what he's able to do, and also for
Speaker 1: these dogs. And you know, I know when I adopted Daisy,
Speaker 1: she was I can't tell you how many rugs she
Speaker 1: ruined in this house because she'd have all these accidents.
Speaker 1: But I know that she was abused in the past
Speaker 1: because of them. She was in six foster homes before
Speaker 1: I took her home, and um, you know, it just
Speaker 1: makes me sad to think that these dogs don't get
Speaker 1: a chance to have a great home because they don't
Speaker 1: know any better and they just want to be loved
Speaker 1: and owners want to love them. So what he's able
Speaker 1: to do. I really enjoyed my conversation, as I know
Speaker 1: you did as well with him, and I have so
Speaker 1: much more to learn, and I'm going to get him
Speaker 1: down here. Him and I are going to have a
Speaker 1: side conversation. I see see how much I can beg
Speaker 1: him to come down here and work with me because
Speaker 1: I I can have a lot to learn. Yeah, anybody
Speaker 1: that works with dogs or wants to make their lives
Speaker 1: better just I think has a heart of gold. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is something that I have been passionate about for
Speaker 1: a while and I want to try to talk to
Speaker 1: you about this and see if maybe we could figure
Speaker 1: this out. I don't know if this is a project
Speaker 1: for the Calm Down podcast. I don't know what this is,
Speaker 1: but you know how much our dogs have changed our lives.
Speaker 1: I have been very, very passionate about when veterans that
Speaker 1: are returning home or veterans that have been injured. I
Speaker 1: have been so passionate about projects that bring an animal like,
Speaker 1: you know, not reunite them with a dog, but pair
Speaker 1: them with a dog. It's something I talked to our
Speaker 1: friend Jay Glazer about. And if you don't know about
Speaker 1: Jay Glazer and what he does with m v P,
Speaker 1: his group and with veterans and so forth, I just
Speaker 1: really want to find a way to work with some
Speaker 1: sort of group that pairs maybe dogs. I know shelters
Speaker 1: aren't overcrowded right now because of COVID, but I think
Speaker 1: that Jah said that they may start being like people,
Speaker 1: you know, may start going back to work have to
Speaker 1: give up on the dogs. I would love to pair
Speaker 1: up animals that have hearts of gold with these veterans
Speaker 1: that have served and are dealing with PTSD or injuries.
Speaker 1: Because one time I was reading here we go with
Speaker 1: the emotions like this whole thing about you know, these
Speaker 1: guys that come home and what they've seen and what
Speaker 1: they've gone through, and sometimes I just want to sit
Speaker 1: there with a dog and nobody can understand them like
Speaker 1: a dog, and I just where can we do that.
Speaker 1: I really want to be a part of this well.
Speaker 1: I will put in every resource, every effort, every amount
Speaker 1: of energy to help see this to fruition because as
Speaker 1: you mentioned our buddy Glazer, what I've been able to
Speaker 1: see firstand being associated with that program. So it's merging
Speaker 1: vets and players. And the idea behind that idea is
Speaker 1: you know, to your point that veterans are part of
Speaker 1: a team and their squadron and the things that they
Speaker 1: see out in battle. And for players, you know what
Speaker 1: life looks like for them after the game of football
Speaker 1: and still needing to have that locker room. So I
Speaker 1: love the idea of merging you know our favorite things,
Speaker 1: which are animals, um and people that that need that
Speaker 1: extra little love and just had a sense of purpose.
Speaker 1: And my brother went through a lot, and that's another
Speaker 1: conversation and it's his personal stories, so I won't share it,
Speaker 1: but I know that like the birth of his daughter
Speaker 1: saved his life because he had Propis after that and
Speaker 1: he wasn't going to take his life knowing that he
Speaker 1: had her. So it's this idea that if somebody is
Speaker 1: feeling a certain way. As heavy as this conversation has
Speaker 1: now become, it's it's important to have because we want
Speaker 1: to have purpose. And so to your point about somebody
Speaker 1: coming home, um and having seen the things that they
Speaker 1: have and serving our country and doing the greatest, most,
Speaker 1: you know, selfless thing you could possibly do. Having an
Speaker 1: animal there gives you a sense of purpose to get
Speaker 1: you up in the morning. You've got to walk the dog,
Speaker 1: You've got to feed the dog. So I think that's
Speaker 1: an incredible idea and and you just brought it to
Speaker 1: our attention right now. But I say that we work
Speaker 1: offline to to see that become a reality. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: tried to sell it as a show. Nobody wanted it
Speaker 1: at the time. Well, you know, I just would love
Speaker 1: to do it. Forget the show. The show will come.
Speaker 1: But right now, as we saw, even with what Jazz does, um,
Speaker 1: you know, what he does is that he was there
Speaker 1: to service the dogs, and the show comes after the fact.
Speaker 1: So let's put all of our efforts and energy into that.
Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, I do too. I I love
Speaker 1: that so much. And if any Womanystening has more information
Speaker 1: sort of on how we can kind of effort this.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that this is a great community
Speaker 1: and Grysonice, are you listening, get great, great, great feedback
Speaker 1: from you know, people who are I work with wags
Speaker 1: and walks, I work with German shepherd rescues from where
Speaker 1: I got Daisy. So um, let's put our heads together,
Speaker 1: and anybody that's listening that also feel like they can
Speaker 1: help UM in this aspect would be would be awesome.
Speaker 1: I think there's a big possibility here. But I hope
Speaker 1: that if you guys listening, if you have an animal,
Speaker 1: you can understand. If you don't have an animal, you
Speaker 1: can see why people love you know them so much.
Speaker 1: So thank you for listening everyone. And she got heavy
Speaker 1: this week. Huh yeah, but for good reasons. You know,
Speaker 1: sometimes it's okay to be heavy. But let's end how
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