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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: The so called Springfield Three that sounds like a gang

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Speaker 2: of some sort. No, the Springfield Three anything but wrongdoers.

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Speaker 2: They are three women, including two teams, that vanish seemingly

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Speaker 2: without a trace. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation

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Speaker 2: and Serious xem one eleven. The spring Field Three three

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Speaker 2: words that still haunt law enforcement. Take a listen now

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Speaker 2: to our friends at NBC.

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Speaker 3: Friends and family of nineteen year old Suzanne Streeter and

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Speaker 3: eighteen year old Stacy McCall say, it's not like them

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Speaker 3: to just leave and not tell any one where they're going.

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Speaker 2: She calls and lets me.

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Speaker 4: Know where she's going to be.

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Speaker 3: She's never missed work.

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Speaker 4: She's a very.

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Speaker 3: Conscient She's you.

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Speaker 5: We're questioning everybody at this time, friends, relatives, anyone that

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Speaker 5: has the information, anyone that may have seen them last, neighbors,

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Speaker 5: We've done neighborhood canvas.

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Speaker 6: How we're just checking every league we can at this.

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Speaker 2: Time, checking every league canvassing neighborhoods. How could three women

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Speaker 2: just disappear? Two of them teens. Suzanne Streeter just nineteen,

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Speaker 2: Stacey McCall just eighteen and Suzanne's mother, Cheryl Lovitt, a

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Speaker 2: mother and two teen girls just vanish, no sign of

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Speaker 2: them anywhere, you know, very often to Just got Morgan

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Speaker 2: joining me, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood

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Speaker 2: Beneath My Feet on Amazon at Starverard Brandy Pit series

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Speaker 2: on iHeart Body Bags that Joe Scott Morgan. We every

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Speaker 2: day here I do missing person, but rarely do you

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Speaker 2: see a mom and two teens just vanish.

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Speaker 7: How can that be that you have three people that

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Speaker 7: are just living their lives and suddenly they're gone. They're

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Speaker 7: vaporized into the air, and no one has seen or

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Speaker 7: heard from them since that moment in time, you know,

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Speaker 7: even though they may have been seen doing activities earlier

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Speaker 7: in the day that gave you a hint that everything

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Speaker 7: was normal in their life. The next morning they're completely

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Speaker 7: gone and no one ever hears from them again. It's highly,

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Speaker 7: highly unusual.

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Speaker 2: Let me go to niculdboard Hots Globe, high profile defense

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Speaker 2: lawyer joining us out of Houston. Former prosecutor. She's now

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Speaker 2: in Houston criminal defense dot Com. Nicole, you and I

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Speaker 2: both tried at least I prosecuted. You've done defense and

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Speaker 2: prosecution work missing people, kidnapped people, murders sometimes that don't

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Speaker 2: have a body to describe for the but three at once,

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Speaker 2: including two teen girls and one of their mother, Suzanne's mother,

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Speaker 2: that's very unusual.

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Speaker 4: It's very very unusual. It almost makes you wonder whether

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Speaker 4: or not they knew the person that was interfacing with

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Speaker 4: them right before their disappearance or ultimate death, because trying

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Speaker 4: to overpower three people is an unusual thing to be

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Speaker 4: able to do, even if you're armed, you know, with

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Speaker 4: no commotion being overheard by neighbors and no clue being

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Speaker 4: left behind. So it's a very unusual case. These are

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Speaker 4: very difficult for the prosecution.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 2: A lot of comparisons have been made to the two

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Speaker 2: little girls, Abby and Liberty, Abigail and Liberty that went

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Speaker 2: missing in Delphi. Their bodies later found murdered. But those

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Speaker 2: were two young girls. This is very young as in twins.

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Speaker 2: But these are two older teens eighteen and nineteen, plus

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Speaker 2: their grown mother. That's a very big difference. Joining me

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Speaker 2: is Rick bookout Form a Springfield police officer. There's a

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Speaker 2: big difference in abducting little children like twelve thirteen as

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Speaker 2: and one of their moms in her forties.

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Speaker 8: That's true. The only thing that I can think of

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Speaker 8: is if you're a parent, you know, you might understand

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Speaker 8: a little better. But you know, I've heard there must

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Speaker 8: have been more than one person. One person could have

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Speaker 8: tend to think that if you're a parent and someone

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Speaker 8: You're going to be quiet, You're going to do whatever

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Speaker 2: I could see that. We also have cases of an

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Speaker 2: like you just heard a former cop Rick bookout state,

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Speaker 2: parents will do a lot if somebody's got a gun

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Speaker 2: to their child's head. So how the two teens and

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Speaker 2: one of their mothers just vanish? The location Springfield, Missouri.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to Maddie Schuisler NBC.

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Speaker 3: The last time anyone saw Susan Streeter or Stacy McCall

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Speaker 9: They said they're going to the other girl's house and

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Speaker 9: they were going to be spending the night there. And

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Speaker 9: in the morning, so I called them, and I called him.

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Speaker 9: I called him and called Mynnion, sir.

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Speaker 2: So I went over there, and staying there, you were

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Speaker 2: hearing Maddie Schuysler at NBC, and you were also hearing

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Speaker 2: friends of the missing girls. Joining me right now a

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Speaker 2: special guest writer and host of The Spring Full Three,

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Speaker 2: A small Town Disappearance, an Roderick Jones, and thank you

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Speaker 2: for being with us. Tell me about the day that

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Speaker 2: these three women just vanish.

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Speaker 10: Well, two of the girls were graduating, which was Stacy

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Speaker 10: that day and then they were going out to do

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Speaker 10: what children normally do, our teens normally do after graduation,

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Speaker 10: which was to go to some parties. And they'd spent

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Speaker 10: the evening doing that, a seemingly normal celebratory day. And

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Speaker 10: after the parties, they had intended to stay at one

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Speaker 10: about two point fifteen in the am, and by the morning,

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Speaker 10: no one was found out at the house, even though

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Speaker 10: all three cars were there and their purses were there

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Speaker 10: along with their keys.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I want to let that soak in. And Anne

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Speaker 2: is joining us, really an expert on this along with Rick.

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Speaker 2: Book out and tell me that one more time. They

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Speaker 2: graduated that day from Kickapoo High. They planned to go

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Speaker 2: to different senior parties, and we're all going to stay

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Speaker 2: at one girl's house overnight. Correct they were.

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Speaker 10: They had actually changed plans a couple of times, and

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Speaker 10: Stacy had called her mother to let her know that

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Speaker 10: they were changing their plans. So we're going to stay

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Speaker 10: at some friend's house. And then ultimately early in the

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Speaker 2: I wonder why the change of plans, But that said,

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Speaker 2: I mean I could see them getting carjacks, say, on

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Speaker 2: you also have the mother. Cheryl Lovett, Susanne's mom vanished

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Speaker 2: as well. Guys, take a listen to our friends at

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Speaker 3: Suzanne Streeter's mom, Cheryl love It, She's also missing. Last

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Speaker 3: on Saturday. She lived in this house on East Delmar

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Speaker 3: in Springfield. That's where police found the three missing women's cars.

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Speaker 3: Authority say there was no sign of a struggle. In fact,

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Speaker 3: the front door was unlocked, the TV was on, their

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Speaker 3: clothes were still there, their purses and personal items untouched.

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Speaker 2: Now as I recall, the porch light had been broken.

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Speaker 2: Everything else seemed to be in place, but the porch

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Speaker 2: light was broken. No sign of a struggle inside the home.

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Speaker 2: I want to go back to former Springfield, Missouri police officer,

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Speaker 2: the first officer on the scene, Rick book Out, is

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Speaker 2: to go to the scene.

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Speaker 8: It was I was working third shift and that started

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Speaker 8: at about nine point thirty pm. Attended briefing, got my equipment,

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Speaker 8: So Susie had, you know, had known with Stacy, they

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Speaker 2: Who called in their disappearance.

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Speaker 6: As I recall, Stacy's mother had called, so Stacy's mom,

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Speaker 8: we need to call the police.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what. It was the home of Janelle Kirby,

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Speaker 2: another one of their friends. They were going to stay

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Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: And Roderick Jones joining me, writer and host of the

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Speaker 2: podcast is Springfield three a small town disappearance, And they

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Speaker 2: were supposed to stay at Janelle Kirby's home. So was

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Speaker 2: there a big distance between Janelle and Suzanne's home?

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Speaker 6: You know?

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Speaker 10: I would say there's probably a fifteen minute drive between

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Speaker 2: I'm just trying to get my head around the logistics.

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Speaker 2: I'm wondering, did someone see them headed over to Suzanne's home.

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Speaker 2: It's a fifteen minute drive. Wouldout have been time? But

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Speaker 2: it was late? Was it late at night when they

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Speaker 10: It was it was about two in the morning. And

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Speaker 2: But when Anne Roderick Jones just said the clothes they

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Speaker 11: It certainly does, and it makes it. It shows very

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Speaker 2: Question to either Rick, a book out former Springfield police

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Speaker 10: I know that he was not living in the house.

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Speaker 2: So the dad was living in the home. I guess

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Speaker 2: You know where I'm headed. The first thing you do

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Speaker 4: Absolutely and you know it'll be curious to hear what

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Speaker 2: So let's go over what we know to these two

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Speaker 9: I saw her graduate Saturday night, and now.

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Speaker 12: She's gone inside the house. Nothing seemed to be out

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Speaker 7: It's there you here.

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Speaker 6: It just looks like the tip may.

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Speaker 12: The community joining the police department in the search. Following

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Speaker 6: We're looking for anything.

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Speaker 7: We're not just looking for these three. We are exploring all.

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Speaker 8: Avenues this time.

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Speaker 9: I'm missus McCall and this is my daughter.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm just thinking this through. Back to book

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Speaker 6: So tell me your.

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Speaker 2: Recollection of the scene. So the mom's car and both

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Speaker 2: Damaged by that time, contaminated and destroyed. Two things just

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Speaker 8: Hard to say, you know, if there were any pieces

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Speaker 2: Normally I would say it was a rando, but in

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Speaker 7: Joe Scott Morgan, Well, there are many coincidences along along

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Speaker 5: A clerk at the South Side convenience store, says he

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Speaker 10: I think during this entire time, there were so many

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Speaker 2: But about those two tips, let's talk about how we

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Speaker 7: know that you can go on that you can kind

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Speaker 7: of pinpoint that place in time. You know, this is

437
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Speaker 7: a world that's completely free, completely free of cell phones

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Speaker 7: and all of that kind of digital information that we

439
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Speaker 7: deal with today.

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Speaker 2: You know, I have never been to let's just say,

441
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Speaker 2: waffle house where the wait just didn't write down on

442
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Speaker 2: a pad what was being ordered and then that would

443
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Speaker 2: be attached to a receipt. So I'm not quite sure

444
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Speaker 2: how that can't be in existence. I mean, you know,

445
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Speaker 2: to you to cold the Ward Hodge Globe, handwrint receipts

446
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Speaker 2: are just as good as digital receipts. They might not

447
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Speaker 2: have the time on them, but I find it hard

448
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 2: to believe that that story, at least that the mom

449
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 2: was having breakfast with the girls early early in the morning,

450
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Speaker 2: and there's not a receipt of that.

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Speaker 4: I would agree. I think that's definitely an excellent place

452
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Speaker 4: to start. The problem is the passage of time and

453
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Speaker 4: what people thought was relevant then when they weren't quite

454
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Speaker 4: sure what they were looking at, versus what they thought

455
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Speaker 4: is or think now could be useful are two very

456
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Speaker 4: different things, and with the passage of so much time,

457
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Speaker 4: you just don't know what is available.

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Speaker 5: The only way to.

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Speaker 4: Find out is to ask.

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Speaker 2: There were leads take a listen to our friensy kolr Ten.

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Speaker 5: Police have made much of identifying this composite sketch a

462
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Speaker 5: woman saw the transient looking man in the neighborhood near

463
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Speaker 5: the leve at home around the time the women disappeared,

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Speaker 5: but no one else has confirmed those sightings and no

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Speaker 5: identification has been made. Police are also trying to track

466
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Speaker 5: down a brown, older model Dodge van like this one.

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Speaker 5: It was apartedly seen in the area early on the

468
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Speaker 5: morning the women disappeared, but again by only one person

469
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Speaker 5: and the report is so far unsubstantiated.

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Speaker 2: Leads that were generated at the time but seemingly have

471
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Speaker 2: all gone cold. These women never seen again, the case

472
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Speaker 2: seemingly stymied. Take a listen to Francis Watson KYTV.

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Speaker 5: For nearly two weeks, police and citizens in Springfield, Missouri

474
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Speaker 5: have been haunted by a mystery.

475
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Speaker 12: That mystery only deepening as time went by. Tips about

476
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Speaker 12: a suspicious looking man in the area around the time

477
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Speaker 12: of the disappearance put authorities on high alert.

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Speaker 5: All the agencies in the area are working very hard

479
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Speaker 5: to try and locate these people in these vans.

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Speaker 12: All leads investigation, no matter how incredible, hunted down lead.

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Speaker 6: Number fifteen, four hundred and sixteen. There's a buzzards.

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Speaker 8: Flying over some siloe or something and they would send people.

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Speaker 2: Great book out joining me. First cop on the scene,

484
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Speaker 2: Rick tell me about how crazy it was at the

485
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Speaker 2: time these three women go missing. The search for.

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Speaker 8: Them, well, it was certainly full throttle. Every resource available

487
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 8: and even the ones that weren't were put into this.

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Speaker 8: And as.

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Speaker 6: Chief Web mentioned.

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Speaker 8: In that tape, every single call that came in was

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Speaker 8: documented and the officers were sent to investigate, and it

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Speaker 8: didn't matter where it was, whether it was in our

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Speaker 8: jurisdiction or not.

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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking about the timeline Joe Scott Morgan. So the

496
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Speaker 2: girls get to the home, everybody jump in if I've

497
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Speaker 2: got it wrong, around two and then they're reported missing

498
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Speaker 2: the following morning, I guess around nine ish when they

499
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Speaker 2: didn't show up to go to the water park. So

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Speaker 2: you've got a seven hour window. And I also can't

501
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Speaker 2: help but wonder about neighbors. How easy it would have

502
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Speaker 2: been to get the girls and the mom over to

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Speaker 2: a neighbor's house, as opposed to struggling to get all

504
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Speaker 2: three of them into a vehicle, because obviously they were

505
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Speaker 2: taking in a vehicle unless they went to a neighbor's house.

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Speaker 7: How do you marshal them to get them out of

507
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Speaker 7: the door, you know, is threat of force, I think

508
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Speaker 7: is really the only way that that could potentially be accomplished.

509
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Speaker 7: If you're going to throw a firearm up in these

510
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Speaker 7: three women's face. You know, keep in mind two o'clock

511
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Speaker 7: in the morning, you're in a daze. I don't know

512
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Speaker 7: about you, guys, but I am. You know, you come

513
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Speaker 7: walking into this environment, you're going to have compliant people.

514
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Speaker 7: The fact that I think that maybe we didn't hear

515
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Speaker 7: screaming or anything like that goes to this idea. You know,

516
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Speaker 7: you either do what I say or I'm going to

517
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Speaker 7: kill you right here to get them out of the door.

518
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 7: And you're right, there has to be a motor vehicle

519
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 7: involved in this, And how do you get them into

520
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 7: that car? And relative to the neighbors, did they see

521
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Speaker 7: anything that was out of the ordinary relative to a

522
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Speaker 7: car that would have pulled up in there? And when

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Speaker 7: I've seen the images from the scene, Nancy, regarding the

524
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Speaker 7: two cars that were there, it's almost like a looped driveway.

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Speaker 7: You think about, well, are you going to walk them

526
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Speaker 7: across the front lawn into a waiting vehicle? Is there

527
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Speaker 7: a back way to get them out of the house.

528
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Speaker 7: Is there any evidence that that could have occurred? Or

529
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Speaker 7: did you pull up right to the door and you know,

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Speaker 7: you get them into the vehicle and then spirit them

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Speaker 7: off into the night, and you know, by that time,

532
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Speaker 7: seven hours down range, you could be anywhere heading out

533
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Speaker 7: of Springfield in any number of different directions.

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Speaker 2: Then evidence or a tip comes forth about a parking structure.

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Speaker 2: Take a listener for ensit Kate why three.

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Speaker 12: The parking structure at Cox Health's South campus was examined

537
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Speaker 12: with special equipment after rumors circulated that the women were

538
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Speaker 12: buried there, though nothing was found.

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00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 8: An anonymous male caller told KY three that inside this

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Speaker 8: newspaper stand.

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Speaker 12: Was a note with possible clues on the women's whereabouts.

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Speaker 8: It was found in an envelope made to cut the

543
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Speaker 8: words out, just like in the movies.

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Speaker 12: Over the years, tips continue to trickle in, not only

545
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 12: to police, but to our station. These handwritten letters mail

546
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 12: to KY three with vague details and theories about what

547
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Speaker 12: happened here on Delmar Street.

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Speaker 2: Sending tips or information to TV station is thought I'd

549
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 2: heard of everyone's familiar with BTK buying torture kill serial

550
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 2: killer Dennis Rader, who would actually engage in conversations and

551
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Speaker 2: communications with local media. Do you recall Rick book out

552
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Speaker 2: the search of the Cox Health Medical Center based on

553
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Speaker 2: a tip the three women were buried there.

554
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Speaker 8: Yes, I remember that. And if I could back up

555
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 8: just a minute to the neighbors. Another officer and myself

556
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 8: at the time that evening, we canvassed the neighborhood, all

557
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Speaker 8: the neighbors on the street behind, next door, across the street,

558
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Speaker 8: and no one saw or heard anything. And logistically talking

559
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Speaker 8: about the vehicle parked in front of the house or

560
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 8: in the loop, this house was only about a half

561
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Speaker 8: a block away from a major business roadway, and so

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Speaker 8: the east side of the house was a privacy fence.

563
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Speaker 8: On the other side of the privacy fence was a

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Speaker 8: parking lot to a business. That would be my guess

565
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Speaker 8: where if there was a vehicle involved, it would have

566
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Speaker 8: been parked there.

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Speaker 2: Yep, right, And we've seen that before where a part

568
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 2: well entered it through a fence to get into a yard.

569
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Speaker 2: But coming from a major thoroughfare or like you're saying,

570
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Speaker 2: a business, what are your other thoughts on them being

571
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 2: spirited away?

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Speaker 6: How did it happen?

573
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Speaker 2: Rick Well?

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Speaker 8: You know, I wish I knew. It's always been my

575
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Speaker 8: opinion that this broken globe. I think it was broken

576
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Speaker 8: on the way out rather than on the way in.

577
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Speaker 8: But that's just my opinion.

578
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Speaker 2: Broken on the way out.

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Speaker 8: Why do you say that, Well, if it were broken

580
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Speaker 8: on the way in, then, as the gentleman stated, they

581
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Speaker 8: may not have had shoes on. I don't think they're

582
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Speaker 8: going to walk three barefooted people through broken glass. And

583
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 8: if it was, if it were broken on the way out,

584
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 8: you know, you have to say, well, how would that

585
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 8: have been broken on the way out? Could have been

586
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 8: broken if somebody was carrying something or struggling. Yeah, yeah,

587
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Speaker 8: And the fact that the bulb itself wasn't wasn't broken

588
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,919
Speaker 8: just the globe, because you're right, that is a very

589
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 8: common thing. People don't want to be seen. They'll disable

590
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 8: the bulb, and it wasn't. So I'm here. I think

591
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 8: it was just knocked. I think it was a knocked loose.

592
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 8: I'm not sure anybody did it intentionally, but again just

593
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Speaker 8: my opinion.

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Speaker 2: Now, cops say they are making progress. Are they take

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Speaker 2: a listener? Forensic ko l R Ten Police say.

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Speaker 5: They have made significant progress since the three women turned

597
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 5: up missing. They've sifted through items inside the East Delmar home.

598
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 5: Analysts continue looking at everything from fingerprints to financial records

599
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 5: in the hunt for clues. They put together background reports

600
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 5: on Stacy McCall and Susie Streeter. Two detectives flew to

601
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Speaker 5: the Seattle area hoping to complete a profile of Cheryl

602
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 5: Levitt's life, but many of the most dramatical leads mentioned

603
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 5: publicly by police so far have been based on thin

604
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Speaker 5: or unsubstantiated information.

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Speaker 2: To you and Roderick Jones, star of the Springfield three,

606
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Speaker 2: a small Town Disappearance podcast, looking tell me about Robert

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Speaker 2: Craig Cox.

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Speaker 10: So, Robert Craig Cox was from Springfield, Missouri. He was

609
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Speaker 10: an army ranger and he was later accused of killing

610
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Speaker 10: Sharon Zellers, who was found in Orange County, Florida, when

611
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 10: he was staying there with his parents in a day's in.

612
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Speaker 10: He was not convicted of that until eleven years later,

613
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Speaker 10: and then when he was on death row for Sharon

614
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 10: Zellar's there wasn't enough evidence to convict him, it was

615
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Speaker 10: reversed and he went free. It was reported during that

616
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Speaker 10: time he was free. He lived in Springfield, Missouri before

617
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Speaker 10: then later, you know, just avoiding basically avoiding prison. He

618
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Speaker 10: ended up going to prison later for kidnapping. He claimed

619
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Speaker 10: that he had an alibi the night that the three

620
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Speaker 10: women went missing. It was from his fiance and they

621
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Speaker 10: said that they were at church. And then it later

622
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Speaker 10: turns out that his fiance recanted her statement. He's in

623
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Speaker 10: a Texas prison. He says that he knows where the

624
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Speaker 10: women are, he knows where they're buried, and that he

625
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 10: won't say until after his mother is dead. And his

626
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 10: mother is still alive at this time.

627
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Speaker 2: Tell me about the case of Sharon Sellers.

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Speaker 10: So, Sharon Sellers was a young woman. She was getting

629
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Speaker 10: off work later in the evening and her body was

630
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Speaker 10: found that night. It was decomposed. It just so happened

631
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Speaker 10: that Robert Craig Cox was visiting Florida during that time.

632
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Speaker 10: I believe he was visiting from California, where he had lived,

633
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Speaker 10: and he was staying with his parents at a day's in.

634
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Speaker 10: He came back bloodied, part of his tongue was bitten off.

635
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Speaker 10: At the time, there wasn't enough evidence to convict him,

636
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Speaker 10: but he was convicted eleven years later, he said on

637
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Speaker 10: death row. And then in the state of Florida, there

638
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 10: wasn't enough evidence, and the conviction was reversed and he

639
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Speaker 10: went free.

640
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 2: And ends up right here in town where the girls

641
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Speaker 2: go missing and Robert Jones. What do you make of

642
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 2: a girlfriend's recantation?

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Speaker 10: Well, you know, her daughter actually reached out to me

644
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Speaker 10: after listening to the podcast and just listening to the

645
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Speaker 10: episode about Robert Craig Cox, and was like, you know,

646
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Speaker 10: I think I need to call in and talk about this.

647
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Speaker 10: She had never spoken about it, but her mother was

648
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Speaker 10: the one who was engaged to Robert Craig Cox, and

649
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Speaker 10: they all lived in the home together, and her mother

650
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Speaker 10: currently has Alzheimer's, so you know, we weren't able to

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Speaker 10: get an interview with her, but her daughter told me

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Speaker 10: that her mother did recant that statement at that you know,

653
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Speaker 10: at the time, she was really in love with Robert

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Speaker 10: Craig Cox. He was incredibly charismatic and had convinced her

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Speaker 10: to say that they were at church together.

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Speaker 2: To Rick book out, the former Springfield police officer first

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Speaker 2: on the scene, what do you make of this guy?

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Speaker 2: Do you think he is a killer?

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Speaker 8: Well, you know, I don't know. I mean I really

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Speaker 8: don't know. I've talked to detectives who have gone down

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Speaker 8: and interviewed him, and you know they're they're just not

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Speaker 8: real sure either.

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Speaker 2: Good question to Ann Roderick Jones. What does this guy

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Speaker 2: have to say, Robert Cox that could not be gleaned

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Speaker 2: from media reports.

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Speaker 10: You know, it's a great question, and I'm not sure

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Speaker 10: that he does. I tried to get an interview with

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Speaker 10: him and wasn't able to do so. He wasn't interested

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Speaker 10: in it. But you know, it certainly could be sensationalizing this,

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Speaker 10: which is you know why we just told the story

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Speaker 10: from the facts that we had. Certainly didn't want to

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Speaker 10: sensationalize this tragedy, and it seems that you know, he

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Speaker 10: could he could certainly be doing so.

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Speaker 2: To do to Sherry Schwartz forensic psychologists. It wouldn't be

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Speaker 2: the first time that an inmate sought to enhance his

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Speaker 2: reputation or notoriety by claiming responsibility for a notorious crime.

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Speaker 11: Absolutely, it happens fairly frequently, unfortunately, and when I first

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Speaker 11: heard that this person has claimed responsibility, it makes me

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Speaker 11: wonder what kind of prove they're getting or uh, you know,

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Speaker 11: in non technical terms, street cred in the prison or

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Speaker 11: claiming responsibility, because I find it curious if they're looking

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Speaker 11: for attention, why he wouldn't agree to be interviewed for

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Speaker 11: the podcast.

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Speaker 2: And he of course was his springful at the time

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Speaker 2: of the disappearance and very very curious. Police went to

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Speaker 2: speak to him immediately after the disappearance. As of right now,

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Speaker 2: no resolution. If you have or think you have information

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Speaker 2: about the disappearance of these women, please dial four one

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Speaker 2: seven eight six four eighteen ten. Repeat four one seven

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Speaker 2: eight six four eighteen ten. Nancy Grace Crim's story signing

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Speaker 2: off Adviiseman