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Speaker 2: I been grinding all my life, all my life, grinding

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Speaker 2: Hello, Welcome to another episode of Club Sha Shay. I

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Speaker 2: am your host, Shannon Sharp. I'm also the propriud of

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Speaker 2: Club Show shak And today we're at Spotlight La stopping

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Speaker 2: by for conversation. Today. He's Royalty, a true legend, a

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Speaker 2: the greatest TV dads of all time. A New York

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Speaker 2: the royal family talented Williams family dynasty that entertained the

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Speaker 2: Awards Hall of Fame. Marlin calls him the funniest Wayians.

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Speaker 2: His influence has spanned generations. He changed the industry, kicked

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Speaker 1: Williams nco hell of a resume.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. When I don't know how many times

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Speaker 2: When you hear people talking about you've been at this

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Speaker 1: I think it's wonderful that you know I had some longevity,

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Speaker 2: You know what, I know you don't drink it anymore.

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Speaker 2: Right. What's one of your proudest childhood memories that you

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Speaker 1: Keenan getting his first gig on you know, he did

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Speaker 1: And then the jokes went on forever. Sammy Williams. Any

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Speaker 2: NAA the Image Awards. Have you guys always been that close? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we are best friends. Like the funny thing about

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Speaker 2: Tell me about this game that you guys used to play.

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Speaker 1: And we couldn't wait for you to not to be funny,

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Speaker 2: So did anybody actually drink his beer? Oh?

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Speaker 2: And then I read that you guys have to pass

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Speaker 1: But it made us funny. It helped make us funny,

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Speaker 2: Where did that? Were? Was your dad funny? Was your

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Speaker 1: Came from my mother. My mother was hands down the

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Speaker 2: Really.

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Speaker 1: about Marlon. My mother got not only stories, but she

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Speaker 2: Wow, do you think had had she not had a family,

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Speaker 1: My mother used to sing at the at the was

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Speaker 2: So when you got it's twelve people in a home,

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Speaker 1: My mother was a miracle worker. She'd feed all of

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Speaker 2: Did you ever complain like, man, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: No, because my father didn't play about food time. I

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Speaker 2: It seemed like your father was very very disciplined, very strict.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was that and he didn't really have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you have a conversation. Yeah, he got the bold.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, I think we got extra spankings

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but my mother hit him at the door, so

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was so scared of my father. When I

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Speaker 1: that's because he I knew he and my dad would

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Speaker 1: just like did he say, yeah, take my belt?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, whatever you get, you know, the thing from the

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Speaker 1: So you know I love him today because I knew

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Speaker 2: Did he ever have a conversation with you guys? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: You know, you don't understand it till you have your

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Speaker 1: But that's like you you have to watch your kids,

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Speaker 2: But whether the situation given how you was raised. Your

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Speaker 1: I chose the comedic route with my kids. I was like,

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Speaker 1: Now you go to school and you'd be a funny clown.

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Speaker 2: So you have you have little young homie, little homie,

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Speaker 1: They you know, I would make up because they went

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Speaker 1: You're gonna be a well dressed clown. That's how you

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Speaker 1: would have, you know, they didn't get slicked and have

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Speaker 1: Why you ain't dressed up clown.

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Speaker 2: As a child? What would you say? Your favorite meal was.

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Speaker 1: Beans franks Soudkraft mustard, rolls and yeah beans, shranks, crowd

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Speaker 1: soud Craft, mustard.

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Speaker 2: Rolls, sauber Craft.

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Speaker 1: When you pour south Crubb, it's just something different. It's good.

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Speaker 2: So you eatn beanie weened.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you have porking beans with sugar on it. Oh

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Speaker 1: my god.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean your dad worked three jobs.

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Speaker 1: He still wasn't making enough, but he dogged.

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Speaker 2: He dog tired when he get home day before, he

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Speaker 2: had time to whip ants.

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Speaker 1: Oh he found the way he worked over then, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: some sauce he had it, look up for drinks.

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Speaker 2: Hello, you got in trouble for stealing from your dad.

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Speaker 1: I stole fifteen cent from my father and he missed it.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't ever watch.

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Speaker 2: Y'all that poor he missed fifteen cent.

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Speaker 1: Fifteen cent, came downstairs, followed me down the stairs and

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Speaker 1: like like a like a school bully, threw min against

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Speaker 1: the wall, win.

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Speaker 3: it separated in my pocket right right because I didn't,

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Speaker 3: you know, he had to change and my father searched me.

438
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 2: Ain't pat you down. He stopping frisk.

439
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,640
Speaker 1: Took my that's my that's my nickel, nineteen sixty four,

440
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 1: that's my nickel. And he beat me right there on

441
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 1: the stairs like like like a dude off the street.

442
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:43,719
Speaker 2: Damn.

443
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 1: And like I said, I don't ever want to be

444
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:50,400
Speaker 1: that poor. That I missed fifteen cents, But that's with

445
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 1: me today. That that's part of my motivation.

446
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 2: Damn. Did your siblings see it? Did when y'all got whippings?

447
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,679
Speaker 2: Did they make fun of y'all.

448
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 1: All the time? We market you as soon as you got.

449
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 2: Yes, that make it worse that it was worse. But

450
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 2: how important do you think having your dead in your household?

451
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 2: Given what you know now, how important do you think

452
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,440
Speaker 2: that is to have a black man in the household.

453
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:30,119
Speaker 1: The greatest gift my father ever gave us was coming home. Damn.

454
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 1: That's deep because my mother didn't make it easy. He

455
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 1: was a dumb mfr and all kinds of stuff, but

456
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:38,880
Speaker 1: he didn't he did.

457
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 2: You know.

458
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 1: She wanted stuff in life, like new underwear, like stuff

459
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 1: she couldn't get little stuff, make up and get a hair,

460
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 1: that couldn't do it. But he came home humble. You know.

461
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 1: Sometimes he had to tell O that they ain't no

462
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:58,439
Speaker 1: food what, mister provider, You ain't got no food and

463
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: you're trying to tell me what to do. Yeah. So,

464
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 1: but but that was the gift. That's like, you know,

465
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 1: you come home, it doesn't feel good.

466
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,120
Speaker 2: But so he's working three jobs. He has to provide

467
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 2: for this family and when he gets home, your mother,

468
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 2: your mom doesn't make it easy. And I think Marlon

469
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 2: said he could have. He could have easily understood it.

470
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 2: Pop would have checked out because it wasn't easy.

471
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: We used to say what hit her or something. My

472
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,719
Speaker 1: father he would never he never would like cuss at her.

473
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 1: Really yeah. My father too. When she died, he was

474
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 1: he was ready to go. I miss her. I missed

475
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,919
Speaker 1: my gal. What the when it used to cut you.

476
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 2: Cursey you?

477
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 1: I miss my gal. He was just ready to go

478
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 1: check please. But that's like he taught us love, like

479
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,439
Speaker 1: unconditional love. You know, he always saw her as the

480
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,679
Speaker 1: sixteen year old he fell in love with. Ooh, you

481
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: know that's beautiful.

482
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 2: You mentioned your mom had sisters and they would sing

483
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 2: occasionally at the Apollo. Did your mom sing around the house?

484
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. Music was like, you know, that's one

485
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: thing we always had in the house. And to this day.

486
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: I listened to music all the time because those are

487
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 1: some of the happiest times in our life. You know,

488
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: when when al Green was on, you know there was

489
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 1: gonna be peace in the house. I remember I took

490
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 1: my mother and father to see Motime Review on Broadway

491
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: and we're watching the play and my mother and father

492
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: sitting together, and my father.

493
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 2: He just.

494
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: Mother, nigga shut up. He just started sobbing.

495
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 2: The subject to my life.

496
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: And I was like, wow, it's powerful. What music. I

497
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: guess all the memories of you know, what they went through.

498
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: It was just it's beautiful. But you know, there's always

499
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: music in the house.

500
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 2: What are some of the best things your mom and

501
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 2: dad taught you and what would you want their legacy

502
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 2: to be.

503
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: My dad taught us stick touitiveness and that you have

504
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: to whatever you do, whatever you have to do to

505
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 1: feed your family, you know, and you do what you

506
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 1: can do until you can do what you want to do.

507
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 1: Because my dad always had dreams of like being something.

508
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 1: My dad listen, he was. He was Amazon before Amazon,

509
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: sweating my dad. So we lived in the projects. There

510
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: was three buildings with twenty there was twenty five stories tall,

511
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 1: ten families on each floor. So my dad would go

512
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: to warehouses and get like afro picks and then he

513
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: would put them on We put them on cardboards and

514
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: he'd send us door to door. That's seven hundred and

515
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 1: fifty families. Somebody need an afro pick and we go

516
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: door to door and we have a pitch. You know.

517
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 1: Sometimes we get them beads that Serena wims and them

518
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: used to wear. Yes, and who is it? You want

519
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 1: to buy some beads? Nigga? What beads? I ain't got

520
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: no beats. We just hold them up, beads. You want

521
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: some beats, Get out of there with them bead But

522
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: you know, you meet people who appreciate it. You get

523
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: to know everybody in the neighborhood. Some people just give

524
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: you money just because yeah, and then some people would

525
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 1: throw the beads.

526
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 2: Get your ass out of the side. I ain't got

527
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 2: no just.

528
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: Take your bead and close the door. You see them,

529
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 1: I side them. You got my beads on his head.

530
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 2: You were your family was raised at your hole witness

531
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 2: and there are a lot of the Jackson's, Uh Prince Biggie,

532
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 2: Terrence hil John run Naomi Campbell. What is explain to

533
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 2: me because I don't really hold All I know is

534
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 2: that we close the door in a lot of them

535
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 2: face yes, because when they come right of one of

536
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 2: them think, yeah, So what do you think your mom

537
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 2: and dad were drawn to about this religion?

538
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: Well, my dad was drawn to it. Mother was not.

539
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,719
Speaker 1: My dad just knew it was the truth, you know.

540
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: And so the kingdom we pray for our father, who

541
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: are in heaven. Hallowed be your name. What's the name.

542
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: It's not God, it's Jehovah. Let your kingdom come. What

543
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 1: is that kingdom? Who's the king Jesus? Let your will

544
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: be done? What's the will? As it is in heaven

545
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: on earth? That's the will. It's that we live in

546
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: unity and be God. So Man has plans, God has

547
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: a purpose. So you know we I believe that. And

548
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: you look at all you got to do is read

549
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: the news and then read two Timothy three one through five,

550
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: and you see it's what it says. How people will

551
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: be in these days, the you know, the critical times,

552
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: hard to deal with, lovers of money, self assuming, hearty, blasphemous,

553
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: having a form of godly devotion, proven false to His power.

554
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 2: This is where we are today. Are you still a

555
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 2: practicing joke.

556
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and I love it, you know, I think it.

557
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: The greatest feeling you'll have is to be at peace

558
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: with God and peace with man, because that puts you

559
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: at peace with yourself. Because my prayers aren't God forgive me, no,

560
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,959
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you for my family, thank you for

561
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: this journey. It's nothing but like gratitude because I ain't

562
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: living a life that I got to apologize for. There

563
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: was a time I was wild, couldn't even pray God.

564
00:29:51,680 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 2: You know what it is? Do you do the whole wedness?

565
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 2: Do they celebrate holidays? Do they celebrate things? Because I'm

566
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 2: trying to figure out, like, did you did birthdays? Were

567
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 2: birthdays big in your family?

568
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: No? My mother celebrated everything. My mother would celebrate Christmas, birthdays,

569
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: you know.

570
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 2: But how did that work? He doesn't, she does.

571
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: My father is just going to room. My mother would

572
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: save money up all year to get us something. And

573
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: one of the greatest Christmases we ever had was my

574
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: father took the money and tried to open a business

575
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: that she was saving so we didn't have no Christmas.

576
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: My mother sat us down, it ain't gonna be no

577
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: Christmas this year. Y'all what no Christmas? That asshole in

578
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: the room, and she would just told us what happened.

579
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: My father wanted to have a business, right, and so

580
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: we decided that we're gonna write Santa Claus a letter.

581
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: Oh and all of us wrote Santa Claus a letter

582
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: and then we mailed it off to the North Pole. Nothing.

583
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,959
Speaker 1: Nothing till Christmas morning the U haul truck pulls up

584
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: to us our house, bikes, all kinds of toys. It

585
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: was just like wow, that felt like Christmas. And then

586
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: the next year we tried to do it again and

587
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: stop niggas no tell you daddy. But but it's okay

588
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: because we you know what most of the stuff is,

589
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: you know, based in paganism. You know, I said on toast,

590
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: because that's some the old Greek pagan thing where they

591
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: clink it and you're gonna chase the demons away. Well

592
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: if they hear from when I'm drinking, you know what

593
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't you know, it's like people don't

594
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: know what they do. They're celebrating stuff they don't know.

595
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 2: Right Easter just tradition that's been handed down in yourself.

596
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,959
Speaker 1: It's once with knowledge comes power, right, once you know

597
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: that Jesus' death is more important than his birth right Christmas,

598
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: that's that's something that Corporate America figured out, how to

599
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: get rid of all the inventory. At the end of

600
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: the year. Let's clean this out. We'll have a sale,

601
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: call it Christmas. Because Jesus didn't celebrate his own birthday.

602
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: Don't you think he threw a party if it was important, right,

603
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: change everything to wine. Everything's wine, right, So it's like,

604
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: once you know, then it makes it easier to go, Oh, okay,

605
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: I get why I don't celebrate this.

606
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 2: You mentioned something earlier about it.

607
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: I never talked about my mother. You didn't what she

608
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: because I poked jokes, right, But you asked what did

609
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: she give us love? My mother was the heartbeat of

610
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: this family, that's what Marlin said, and taught us how

611
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: to love and how to you know, even though she

612
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: sometimes didn't practice what she preached, but how to get

613
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: past grudges. That's your brother, that is your sister. You

614
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: love them. They're going for the rest of your life.

615
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: They gonna be your brother and sister. That's what my

616
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: mother gave us love.

617
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 2: Did your mom ever discipline y'all?

618
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, my mom. My mom would do this thing. He

619
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: was like, come in, let me slap your face.

620
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 2: She wouldn't even taste it.

621
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: Come in, let me say you doing this?

622
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 2: No, I think I stay over here.

623
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: And then the trick was she gets you like this

624
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: and nick ma'am ears ringing. You'd be like, what the hell? Yeah,

625
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: my mom that But she had to be really really

626
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: mad at you to hit you, to pop your head.

627
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 2: Dr Yeah, that's what old people. They believed in slapping.

628
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 2: My grandmother slapped fire at your mom. Yeah. Well, I

629
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 2: mean I'm like, what is that about?

630
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: Because it's better than a punch. It's a slap is

631
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 1: more of a humiliation. That's Chris Rock.

632
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 2: Lord heaven Lord. Marlon told us his story about the foot.

633
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 2: So you had a club foot.

634
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: It looks like I have a club foot? Had I haven't?

635
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 2: I mean what you got a size level and a

636
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 2: half it or not?

637
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: No? No, well no, this here's the thing. A club foot.

638
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: Now I don't have the same flexibility I was born.

639
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: My foot twisted all the way around. Okay, right, so

640
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: you had to bres at the up yeap off the

641
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: pedic shoe came up to here, you know it was

642
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: they had it was high once I hung the hermit monsters.

643
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I walk.

644
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: With a limp. Yeah, but people thought it was cool

645
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: because perfected the limb rather smooth. Because I wanted you

646
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: to look up, you know what I mean? That was

647
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: my whole thing in life when we played. Doesn't get

648
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 1: you to look up to look at the shoe because

649
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: I'm vulnerable down here. So I hit you before you?

650
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 2: Did you? Did you? Were you insecure about it?

651
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: Did?

652
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:22,240
Speaker 2: Were you self confident?

653
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 1: A no?

654
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 2: Very super Your family, your brothers and sisters killed you

655
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 2: about that, didn't it.

656
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: I never felt like they had jokes, but there was

657
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: so much love in my house. I never felt like

658
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 1: them attacking me. I know they talk about my little foot,

659
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: but it's okay because I'm in on the joke. I'm laughing.

660
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: They seen me with you know, my pants off, and

661
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: you know what, Yeah yeah, but it's it's it's okay.

662
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: It was in love. You put anything in love. It

663
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: takes the sting out when you go outside. They were

664
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 1: trying to got you, Oh my god, but I got them.

665
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 2: And it's true, Kim Kim would fight people. People make

666
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 2: fun of you for a time.

667
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: My baby brother, I'm her old brother.

668
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 2: But you got a little sister kick.

669
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 1: They ass like like like Ali cat fight. You know,

670
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: Kim is demrroring. You know.

671
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, she seemed really and that's what when you told

672
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 2: me she was social. She doesn't come off as social.

673
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 2: She seems very quiet, very some dude. I'm here for

674
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: a purpose. I'm gonna talk. When people need to talk

675
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 2: to me, I'll talk to them.

676
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: But I'm not you know, she shot she said, you know,

677
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: she don't. None of my family like the Lime like

678
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: that Marlin Marlin blind loves it. Me Keen and Sean,

679
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: we you know, we don't have to be seen, you know.

680
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 1: Rather Kim just rather not be seen, even juniors like that,

681
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: like we I don't.

682
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 2: Need that hold on. The doctors thought you were gonna

683
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 2: be a little person. We can't use the m word

684
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:57,959
Speaker 2: that they thought you was gonna be a little person

685
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 2: because of the foot.

686
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: No, they put me in the in the special head class.

687
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: You yeah, because they I'm in there with them. And

688
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: my mother was like, no, it's like he's not wrong

689
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,240
Speaker 1: with him. But I got to know all the kids

690
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 1: in the right, you know.

691
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 2: So they figure any any abnormal malley and product deformity

692
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:20,720
Speaker 2: that you had, you had there had to be something

693
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 2: wrong with you mentally a fifth emotionally what I mean.

694
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: I think of you just because I was black? Oh

695
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: you know, and they're just like here, let's.

696
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 2: Let's because I remember those classes. Don't remember seeing a

697
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 2: whole lot of white people. Yeah class.

698
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they put me in there with the you know,

699
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 1: back then you call them retarded yeah people, you know.

700
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: And and like I said, I made friends with some

701
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: of them, you know, until I got one of my

702
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: other friends. Then I just owned them. Yeah, out there,

703
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: kirky kill crabbing my style, David.

704
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 2: I know when it when when the regular kids saw

705
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 2: you go to those classrooms.

706
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: Bro oh, they would come by and teach me to

707
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: be pointing at me and oh, man.

708
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 2: Did I mean did you have home? Did they give

709
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 2: you home? Did you have homework? And you yeah? Easy

710
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 2: hold foldless paper. That's the whole way here, foldless paper

711
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:21,720
Speaker 2: and half. Oh you did good. I was the smartest

712
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,280
Speaker 2: kid in the class. But finally, but you do realize,

713
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 2: when you do realize, day were like when you were

714
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 2: the classes. You stay in that class the whole day.

715
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 2: You don't change classes.

716
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: Now, my mother got me out. It was it was

717
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: a it was a quick stack. Okay, you know, probably

718
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: for like a week, but you know that. Yeah, it's

719
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: about a week.

720
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 2: Marlon said, you were terrible in school. I mean really bad.

721
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:51,240
Speaker 1: No, here's I was funny.

722
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 2: So you went to school to tell jokes. You ain't

723
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 2: going to learn.

724
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: This is this is how my mind thought. Okay, when

725
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: I went to high school, I took Chinese Mandarin Chinese

726
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,720
Speaker 1: just because I knew it was so hard I could

727
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: fail it. Everybody, I'm telling you, I get to the

728
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 1: class and it's me and everybody else is Asian because

729
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: there's a proper way to speak Chinese, right, Mandarin is

730
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: not like its language. Yeah, each word has four different meanings.

731
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: So like I'm like, hey, it's Chinese, Dad, I can't

732
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: do it. But I was always like I had one teacher,

733
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: mister Freeman, who believed me. And in seventh grade, I

734
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: used to call him Mike. He would I would get

735
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 1: under his skin, but I would make him laugh. He

736
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: was my science teacher, and he told me one day,

737
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: so I would do stuff to try to stump him.

738
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 1: So we were talking about inertia, right, He's teaching about inertia,

739
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: and I said, mister Freeman, you know, Mike, why is

740
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 1: it that when you get on the train and the

741
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: fly flies in and the train starts to move, the

742
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: fly doesn't smash against the wall. He said, well, the

743
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: fly goes aside and said, no, the fly never touched

744
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: the wall to go the same speed as the train.

745
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: Why doesn't the fly.

746
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 2: When you take off? Because if you take off and

747
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 2: you're not holding on, you fall back. Why doesn't the

748
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 2: fly move that part?

749
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 1: And he was like, he said, that's critical thinking, he said.

750
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: And the thing about you, he said, you're brilliant. He said,

751
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: you have a gift. He said. The problem is I

752
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: need to control the room. Right now, you are controlling

753
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: my classroom, and that's not good for me. So here's

754
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do. I'm going to give you five

755
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: minutes on Friday to say it. Do whatever you want

756
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,720
Speaker 1: to do. Wow, if you just be quiet.

757
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 2: It was a trade off.

758
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: It was a trade off. And I would, you know,

759
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: sometimes I would blurt out stuff. But you know, for

760
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: the most part, I honored that, and he honored that,

761
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: and I couldn't wait for my five minutes every Friday.

762
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: But he was the only teacher that ever told me

763
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: that what I do is special.

764
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 2: He's the only one that really believed in. Everybody else

765
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 2: thought you was an f up class clown. You dropped out.

766
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: I got thrown out. I was so I got thrown

767
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: out of I went to Murray Bertram High School for

768
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: business careers. It was the first school high school to

769
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: teach computer science. And they had like like computers as

770
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: big as this room. Wow, and that's like the Cobalt

771
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: and they're teaching us this and my dumb behind. I

772
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: had a teacher who I didn't like, and somebody gave

773
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: me some mace and I'm in the class and I'm

774
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: spraying mace. She made me sit right like this because

775
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: I was such a you know, right, So I'm spraying

776
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: mace the whole time she talk. Well, I didn't know

777
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: mace was gonna affect me too, everybody in the classet.

778
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: I got expelled from that school. Then I went to

779
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: go I had to go to another school. Charles f.

780
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 1: And Hughes got thrown out of that one for turning

781
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 1: out for all the lights in the school.

782
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 2: Damn. Yeah.

783
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: And then I went to one of them schools. Well,

784
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 1: all you got to do is show up.

785
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:30,479
Speaker 2: You went to an alternative school.

786
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, all you gotta do is show up. I got

787
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: thrown out of that?

788
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 2: So you realized school wasn't for you?

789
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I was. I just I don't know. I

790
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: was thinking funny. So I got thrown out of one

791
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: school because I threw a chair off the roof. I

792
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: didn't want to hurt nobody, but in my mind, I

793
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: thought like a cartoon. I wanted to see them go

794
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: and their eyes bout they head and didn't run. So

795
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: you could have killed me. I didn't. I like, I

796
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: had no concept of killing. This is like fifth grade.

797
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't. I wasn't trying to kill nobody.

798
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 2: But when you come home, okay, let me this. You

799
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 2: get thrown out of school, how do you go home

800
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 2: and tell or do the do the school call and

801
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 2: tell your mom and dad that we're expelling damon? Or

802
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 2: do you have to tell them?

803
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: No, I get on the train and just ride it

804
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: all day long.

805
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 2: That's what I do. Oh, so they didn't know you?

806
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 2: They didn't know. When did you realize that? You know what?

807
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 2: School ain't for me? The hell with this?

808
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: Once I started doing stand up, well like, no, I

809
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: don't think it was stand up.

810
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 2: It was just.

811
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: I had to go to job Cort because it was

812
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: that or jail. And so I went down to Breckenridge, Kentucky,

813
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: and it was the first time I ever saw a horse, like,

814
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: like a real horse that wasn't on Oh yeah, one

815
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: of them Central Park horses just phone out the mouth.

816
00:43:59,400 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 2: Of all day long.

817
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: It was like a real horse. And it was the

818
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 1: first time I flew on a plane, the first time

819
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: I smelt fresh air, you know. And I got my

820
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: ged down there, I got my driver's license right, and

821
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: I went for what did I go for? I ended

822
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: up taking accounting, so I learned how to do good

823
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 1: with numbers, the numbers right. And then I came back

824
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 1: home and that was like the first time I went Okay,

825
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 1: I did something. I achieved somethinglishment. Yes, the ged meant something.

826
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: My parents are so proud. And then I got a

827
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: job at an American Express.

828
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 2: Oh lord, I did.

829
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: I got a job at Americans. I was in the

830
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: mail room and then they promoted me to mailroom supervisor

831
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: because I had a way of making people laugh and

832
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: you know, building like a you know, like morale. Right.

833
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:56,959
Speaker 1: So I had the late shift. I worked from seven

834
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: o'clock to seven in the morning, and we had to

835
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: I always found a way, and I thank my dad

836
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: for this of making a job fun. So we had

837
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,720
Speaker 1: to like open up the mail. You get five hundred

838
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: and fifty envelopes, you got to take them out, open

839
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 1: it up. Then you have to decide is this a

840
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: change of address? Is this a return of a credit card?

841
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: Is this you know? Whatever it is. You had like

842
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: to manually do it right, and the quota was to

843
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 1: do five boxes. I used to do fifteen. Wow, And

844
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: I'd have my music on and I'd have my basket

845
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: here and I would just go and because they had

846
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: a machine that would open it.

847
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 2: For you, for you, right.

848
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 1: But I was that fast and that I remember. The

849
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: controller walked in one day that that was his position,

850
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: like the manager. He said, I never seen nothing like this.

851
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: And I would make the other people in the mailroom

852
00:45:58,520 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: and say, man, slow down.

853
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 2: Bad. Yeah.

854
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: But they made me the supervisor and then I had

855
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 1: everybody giving ten boxes a night.

856
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 2: Wow. Now stand up? How do you go from being

857
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 2: at American Express to the stand up?

858
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: I always admired Keenan and then so with Keenan, he

859
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:26,720
Speaker 1: would I would go to the improv and watch him perform.

860
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: And then sometime I got keen He used to try

861
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: this joke, try this, and he would do it and

862
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: they would get laughs. And so that was the first

863
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: time I ever thought, well, I thought about that he

864
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: said it and got a left. Maybe if I used

865
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: it for myself, yeah, maybe right. And then Robert Townsend

866
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 1: one day, I was still working at Smilers and the Delicatessen,

867
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: and Robert Townsend and Keenan wearing like a little improv group. Right,

868
00:46:54,800 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: it's like Reggie Van Johnson and Melvin Joey. It's just

869
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,959
Speaker 1: like like four people. And they brought me in because

870
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: Keenan told him Damon could do characters. So I'm just

871
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:10,399
Speaker 1: there and I'm just like doing all this stuff that

872
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 1: me and Keenan would do all the time. And I

873
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: remember Robert's face like this, and he said, you got it,

874
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: and I didn't. I had to go, you know, do

875
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 1: the sandwiches to Mars. I didn't really like think about

876
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: what he said. And then in nineteen eighty two, I

877
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: was so prised this Keenan got his little sitcom and

878
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: I was telling my wife, you know, Lisa, I'm like, man,

879
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 1: Keenan Kenny Key says that you know what you need

880
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: to go do stand up. Otherwise I'm gonna go sleep

881
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: with Keenan because you make you make him sound wonderful.

882
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 1: So I started doing stand up and the first time

883
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: I went on stage, I fell in love with it

884
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: and I didn't do good. I actually bombed, but I

885
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: got one laugh. And comedy is like golf. All you

886
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: remember it is a good shot. Yeah, you know what

887
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what everybody said.

888
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 2: Everybody said, you get it's not the boot that you remember,

889
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 2: it's that one. It's that one laugh that gets you

890
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 2: hooked and you're like, yeah, this is my calling.

891
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: Yeah I knew it. I knew it. Likes as I

892
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:20,919
Speaker 1: was doing it, like this feels good.

893
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:22,240
Speaker 2: Is it a high?

894
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's like a runner's high, especially when

895
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: you come off stage. You know. The thing is when

896
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: you're first starting out and you're doing it, you come

897
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: off stage, you can enjoy the high. When you become

898
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: you know, famous or whatever you you know, people want

899
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: to and it just ruins the high, you know what

900
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: I mean, Like you interacted because you want to like

901
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 1: enjoy that moment you have like out of body experiences,

902
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,919
Speaker 1: you know, when you do when you have a great show,

903
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 1: it's like you just sit back, going watch this nigga work,

904
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 1: go go, you know, and you forget about the pain

905
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: in your back and you know, just everything. It just

906
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,439
Speaker 1: feels right. So yeah, it's definitely a runner's high.

907
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 2: Wow. And so now you're doing stand up, you're like, okay,

908
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 2: now you don't want to do anything else but that,

909
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 2: or do you have do you have another job? No?

910
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: I had other jobs because I had to have you know,

911
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: I had kids.

912
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, stand up wasn't paying like it is. They will

913
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 2: pay it back then, huh.

914
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: Right, Well, you know stand up would pay you a burger.

915
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: That's what you got. You got a free burger, maybe

916
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: some fry, right, and a soda. That's what that was

917
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: your pay. But you know, then they had they had

918
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 1: a strike and they started giving you money for cabs

919
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 1: or gas money. You know, so you can make twenty

920
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:47,760
Speaker 1: dollars here, but you know, any real comedian that's really

921
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: about it, yeah, hits the stage five times a night.

922
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: So you're not just making you know, twenty dollars, you're

923
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: making one hundred and twenty dollars you're making right, so

924
00:49:58,440 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: you can live off of.

925
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 2: Back then that was that was that was good money.

926
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, how did you and Eddie meet through Keenan.

927
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: So Eddie would come see me do stand up. He

928
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: would bring Prince Rick James. He just thought like the

929
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 1: stuff I was doing was really innovative, you know. And

930
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: and then I started hanging out with him and Keenan.

931
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: You know. The first thing Eddie would do when he

932
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: came out during like Saturday Night Live, and he would

933
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: call Keenan and go, man, watch this buck weet tonight.

934
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: Watch the buck wet buck. We got shot. And I'm

935
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 1: just like, so at the time I was doing stand

936
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: up before I met Eddie, I'm like, who is this

937
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: Eddie Murphy? Everybody, because as far as I was, I

938
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: was the next right. And then I watched him do

939
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: James Brown getting in a hot tub, and I was

940
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:55,240
Speaker 1: like this amazing. And I became, you know, in awe

941
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 1: of Eddie and when and and the fact that him

942
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 1: and Keenan were like friends as soon as he came out,

943
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: can't it come on? And they hang out to the

944
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: wee hours of the morning.

945
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 2: Do you tag it along?

946
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: Tagging along? Eddie would would actually bring me, my wife

947
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: and my sons on boat rides, like he would rent

948
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: a yacht and go around the Marina and be I

949
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,760
Speaker 1: was the only family of just all these pretty women,

950
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,399
Speaker 1: and Eddie and his boys were like yeah, and Eddie

951
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: would come over, always make time to come over and

952
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 1: sit down with us and go, yng, got something special.

953
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: This is what I want and now go get something.

954
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: But you know that was so wonderful for me and

955
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: to see that life, right, you know what I mean,

956
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: because I never had it on that level. You know

957
00:51:57,960 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: what I mean. I was married from you know, since

958
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: Team what eighty four or something like that, so I didn't.

959
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 2: Damn you ain't get a chance to enjoy the single

960
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 2: life of your stand up.

961
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: Did I broke up my marriage?

962
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 2: No, don't worry. I broke up my marriage. Seek I

963
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 2: joined it.

964
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 1: And I regret it really, yeah, because you know it

965
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 1: show business. You think that this chemistry you got with

966
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: this person, this actress is like special and pure, and

967
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: then what you don't realize is she gonna go do

968
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: that on the next row with somebody else, and you'll

969
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: be like, but I left my wife for you. You

970
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,720
Speaker 1: know what, Tell her the stuff you told my character.

971
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: She'll take you back.

972
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 2: What. Yeah, you got an opportunity to do Eddie up

973
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 2: close and personal. What is something about Eddie that you

974
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 2: share that people don't wouldn't realize about him, that wouldn't

975
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 2: know about him.

976
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 1: The funniest guy of my generation, for sure. His mind

977
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: is like a Rubik's cube the way he processes comedy,

978
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: and he's one of the most giving people. Like you know,

979
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: Eddie can steal scenes. He doesn't have to steal scenes

980
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: because he's the star right right. But the thing I

981
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 1: learned from Eddie was letting other people shine. You bring

982
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: somebody in. When I did the Banana Man, I'm still

983
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: working in the mailroom and He's like, he told Marty Breast,

984
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: the director, you gotta let him do it, you gotta.

985
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:41,919
Speaker 1: He wanted me to play the brunts and Pinchot character, right,

986
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 1: who did a wonderful job. But the director was like, nah,

987
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 1: he's unseasing it. And he said, all right, then let him

988
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:53,240
Speaker 1: do this one little scene. And Eddie was like laughing

989
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 1: in the scene. You know, I'm with the biggest star

990
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 1: in the world and he's making me feel funny and

991
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: encourage me. Go no, no, no seriousness, he says, And

992
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 1: the director was like, we got to move on, Eddie,

993
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 1: gonna know we're gonna do this, and we got that

994
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 1: take and it was just like just the fact that

995
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 1: he cared enough, you know, to make sure that I

996
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 1: Shine was beautiful. And then you know, Eddie put on

997
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: Robert Townsend, my brother, you know, all the people that

998
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: he put on in this business. I don't think people

999
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: really give him the credit. He is our sino on

1000
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 1: our Senior show, you know, multiple times to support his friend,

1001
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Paul Mooney. Eddie put everybody on.

1002
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 2: How do You Get? On? How did be Beverly Hills?

1003
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:42,879
Speaker 2: Cause happen.

1004
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: Eddie would see me do stand up and he saw

1005
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: that character. He's like, you got to do this, and

1006
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 1: he made them put me in the movie.

1007
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 2: Eddie smil. A lot of people have gotten nobody's been

1008
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 2: bigger than Eddie SML and blew up. I mean there

1009
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 2: have been other guys, but nobody like Eddie. You was

1010
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 2: on SNL for I mean.

1011
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: It half a season.

1012
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 2: What what were you? What did you think what SNL

1013
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 2: was going to be as opposed to what you got

1014
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 2: once you got on SNL?

1015
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: Well, I grew up. You know when we watched Richard

1016
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: Pryor on S and L. You know, the famous sketch

1017
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 1: with Chevy Chase and you know him with Lily Tombling

1018
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: playing the drunk, and you know, it's like, wow, he's

1019
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: bringing our flavor to this show. Because before it was white,

1020
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: there was funny you know, John Belussy Bryant and all

1021
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 1: of these guys was brand but it wasn't us. And

1022
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 1: then I was like I was born to do that.

1023
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 1: And Eddie had just left. Eddie actually came to my

1024
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 1: you know, celebration party before I went to New York

1025
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: because I was living out here, and he told me said, look, man,

1026
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 1: learned to write you because they're gonna put you in

1027
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: it and you're gonna hate it. They're gonna give you

1028
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: black stuff to do. You're gonna hate it. And so

1029
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: when I went there, he was right, and I was

1030
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: writing sketches, but they would they would shoot it down.

1031
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 1: This dude would like sit there, read my sketches in

1032
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:26,280
Speaker 1: front of me and go, yeah, oh, I just don't

1033
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:29,399
Speaker 1: get it. I just got tired of getting shot down.

1034
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:33,879
Speaker 1: They would, you know, like, and I kept getting told, well,

1035
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: we're trying to protect you from the Eddie's you know, Aura,

1036
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: It's like Eddie's gone. And what I knew that the

1037
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 1: characters that I wanted to do were nothing like Eddie.

1038
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: It would be no comparison, you know, because I didn't

1039
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: really do impressions. I didn't do the kind of stuff

1040
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 1: Eddie did. These are you know. The funny thing is

1041
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: I did an interview for SNL and they showed me

1042
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 1: my audition tape. In the audition, it's a twelve minute

1043
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: tape of me doing Homie to clown men on Handyman.

1044
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: The seven characters that I did ultimately on in Living

1045
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: Color that I showed them what I could do, and

1046
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: I was writing stuff for these characters kept getting shot down,

1047
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: so I just I didn't care. I just just changed

1048
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: characters on them during a live show. And I was like, yeah,

1049
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: give me the ball, or let me go.

1050
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this. Were you becoming frustrated because

1051
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 2: you're like, I'm doing this and every time I try

1052
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 2: to do something, every turn you shoot it down. It's that.

1053
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: And then the stuff they were giving me. There was

1054
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: one sketch they wanted me to stand in a loincloth

1055
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 1: with a spear with no lines.

1056
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 2: So what the hell were you gonna be doing just

1057
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 2: standing there?

1058
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be stabbing somebody with this spear. If you

1059
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,919
Speaker 1: think I'm doing this, and I told him, I said,

1060
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: I can't do this. My mother is gonna watch this show.

1061
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: I can't do this. And they're like, yeah, I got it.

1062
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: You know it's you gotta service the piece. That's what

1063
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 1: I was told, service the piece. I didn't do it.

1064
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 2: And then there was how do you say? How did

1065
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 2: you how do you tell? How did you respectfully tell them? No?

1066
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: It wasn't respectful. I didn't. I just said no, I

1067
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: don't care who you call. I'm not doing this. I

1068
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: didn't do it. We had a uh, this woman Danitra Vance,

1069
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: who is this? Uh? She was very talented, but she

1070
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 1: did it and I was like, Dnetra, don't if we

1071
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 1: stand together it means something. You make me look crazy.

1072
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 2: She wanted that role, she wanted to be on Saturday.

1073
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: I live that she is and this with this beer boo,

1074
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: I'm trying to improvise.

1075
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 2: So what's the pay like on this andl nothing?

1076
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 1: Fifteen h a dollars a week?

1077
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 2: So let me because I'm always interested. How so how

1078
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 2: does explain to people at home? How does that and

1079
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 2: their work? So how do you come in there like, Okay,

1080
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 2: the show is going to air Saturday night, are you

1081
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 2: guys rehearsing during the course of the week.

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00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: You come in Monday, okay, it's a writer's night, Okay.

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00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: So you come in and your pitch ideas okay, right,

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00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: and then they say, yeah, go off and write them.

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00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: So you start writing Tuesday. You're right into Tuesday morning,

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00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: and then we do the table read with all the

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00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 1: collection of sketches you read on Wednesday, forty five sketches

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00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 1: like on a I forget if it's Tuesday or Wednesday.

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00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: And then you start rehearsing. You start picking the sketches,

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Speaker 1: and then you start rehearsing Friday and then till Saturday day, and.

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Speaker 2: You're writing sketches kind of like what's what's funny in today?

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Speaker 2: What's funny today? Because I remember I saw that when

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Speaker 2: I had the Cat Williams, they ended up doing a

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00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 2: spoof of Cat. So you guys are writing things, try

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Speaker 2: to like what's happening in the real world and make

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Speaker 2: them funny.

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Speaker 1: I was writing character driven stuff. I wasn't writing like

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Speaker 1: because here's the problem. When you do kind of social

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Speaker 1: political stuff. There are no good Nixon jokes right right,

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Speaker 1: it's a dated You date yourself because events happen and

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Speaker 1: then something else happens, and then people were forget what

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Speaker 1: was that? So when you do characters characters, cheez begger, cheezburger,

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Speaker 1: cheeseburger is always gonna be funny brown. But you know

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Speaker 1: all the stuff Eddie did, you know, pump you up?

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Speaker 1: You know, there's a bunch of catchphrases that they that

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Speaker 1: that are in the you know, the the zeigot because

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Speaker 1: of you know, character driven comedy. That's what people relate to.

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Speaker 2: Right, let me ask you this. You were you said

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Speaker 2: you lasted half a season, but you were fired after

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Speaker 2: one season? I did.

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Speaker 1: I got all right after, no after and in the

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Speaker 1: middle of the season.

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Speaker 2: Are you the only one that's ever happened to is anybody?

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01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: But you know I got fired live. I didn't even

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01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 1: make the good nights.

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01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 2: Damn dada, let the current come down.

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01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,439
Speaker 1: I didn't say good night. He said get the hell

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01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 1: out of here.

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Speaker 2: Who told you that?

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Speaker 1: Lauren Michaels, he was red in the face.

1121
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 2: John Blushi never did this to me, you ad lib?

1122
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: Did you? I did more than that. I said get

1123
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Speaker 1: me out of here. Everything I did was to go.

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01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: But see God has plans right right, So in Living Color.

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Speaker 2: Was my.

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Speaker 1: Vindication.

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01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 2: Did you know hold on you said you did everything

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Speaker 2: you could to get fired. Did you know Keenan was

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01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 2: in the process of doing it.

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01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 1: No, because this was in eighty six and Living Color

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01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 1: wasn't until nineteen ninety. Yeah, right, So I was like,

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01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 1: I was so angry when I was there. I was

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01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 1: walking around. I had these shades on, like black, like

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01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: I guess they're ray bands, and they go, why you glasses,

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Speaker 1: it's too white in here? It hurts my eyes?

1136
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 2: Damn what you thought they were?

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01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 1: I didn't want. Well, you know, you get shot down.

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Speaker 1: The thing is like, now, I was young. I didn't know.

1139
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 1: I didn't understand producing a show very very because I

1140
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: felt like, you know, they were trying to Garrett Morris. Me, okay,

1141
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 1: who And Garrett Morris is a wonderful man, love him,

1142
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 1: but back then, you know they used him like a

1143
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: prop right, you know what I mean? And that's not

1144
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 1: why I did stand up. I'm ready, guys, I'm locked

1145
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 1: and loaded. You've seen the tape. You know what I

1146
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 1: can do. But it wasn't meant to be right.

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01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 2: What did Keenan say when you told him, like, man,

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01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 2: I ain't gonna be on this and now.

1149
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 1: No mo bro good if they if they're not gonna

1150
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 1: let you do what you do, then you know it

1151
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 1: doesn't make no sense to be something else will happen.

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01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 1: And the great thing about doing stand up is, you know,

1153
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 1: after I did Saturday Night Live, I could get booked

1154
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 1: in comedy clubs and make good money because I'm you know,

1155
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 1: featuring the guy who got fired from Live. I can

1156
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 1: use that right, right, And so I was making you know,

1157
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 1: stand up allows you back then ten thousand dollars a weekend.

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01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 1: Even that's good money.

1159
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, good money, you mean good money, is.

1160
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: Right, more than I was making on S and L. Right,

1161
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 1: So it's like, yeah, okay. So I started doing stand

1162
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 1: up and it's been a very.

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01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 2: Lucrative, lucrative but feeling.

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01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 1: It's always good to know that you don't have to

1165
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 1: do something right because I can make money. I can

1166
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 1: feed my family, my dad ringing in my ear. As

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01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 1: long as I can feed my family, you can't touch me.

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01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 2: Do you fellow the situation because you came on so

1169
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 2: soon after Eddie left, and how many people believe Eddie

1170
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 2: had gotten too big for SNL and they didn't want

1171
01:03:58,240 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 2: to run that same risk.

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01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 1: With you that might have been some of it, you know,

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01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 1: but I mean, whatever it was, don't hire me if

1174
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 1: you don't want me, right, you know what I mean.

1175
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 1: Don't hire me if you're not gonna let me do

1176
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 1: because I can do what Eddie did. I can do.

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01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 1: You know how many people watched the show when Eddie

1178
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 1: was doing it? Yes, why don't you want them? Because

1179
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 1: they negate our audience, the audience that Eddie brought there.

1180
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 1: I was coming in thinking I would service them, you

1181
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Black people would give me a

1182
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 1: shot to be funny before they start comparing me. Then

1183
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 1: he trying to be Eddie because I got a different flavor.

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01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 2: Robert Downey Junior was also in your cast. He got

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01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 2: at the year too. Damn.

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01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 2: Now homeboys are Yeah.

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01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 1: So Robert Downey and Michael Anthony Hall, we called them

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01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 1: the kids, and they were the ones that you know,

1190
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 1: thought I was funny. So we would connect and they

1191
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 1: knew that it wasn't funny. What we were doing was

1192
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:01,439
Speaker 1: so we had all these like inside jokes about that

1193
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 1: sketch is not gonna work, and they knew how bad

1194
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 1: it was. So yeah, we became good friends. I love Robert.

1195
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tracy Morgan said, he felt culturally isolated on SNL's

1196
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 2: called the Whitest show in America.

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01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 1: It is it is because you know, I mean, I

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01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 1: love Lauren Michaels to do anything for.

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01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:23,439
Speaker 2: Fifty years, it's a long time.

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01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 1: You deserve your flowers, you know. But when you go

1201
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 1: up and look at the people who run the show,

1202
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 1: the writers room, it's all white and it's not like,

1203
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 1: you know, it's not.

1204
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 2: Like it's not diverse like the people in right, it's not.

1205
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 1: You know, Neil Brennan's funny, the guy who wrote with Chappelle.

1206
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 1: You know, he's funny. But you got all these guys

1207
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 1: that come out of Harvard who write for like magazine, magazine,

1208
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 1: funny ain't funny? They would do sketches like Nadoville. Yeah,

1209
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 1: so you go to this town where there's a tornado

1210
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 1: and people walking around with hangers in the head. All right,

1211
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 1: but I'm like, well, who are the people and what's

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Speaker 1: the character with the hanger in his head? What does

1213
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 1: he do?

1214
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 2: What?

1215
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 1: What's funny about him? You know, they didn't want to

1216
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 1: hear that.

1217
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Speaker 2: Right, Have you? Have you talked to Tracy? I know

1218
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 2: he had an incident a couple of last week on

1219
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 2: the sideline he had food poisoning. Then he at the

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Speaker 2: NIXT game.

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01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk to him with the six numway.

1222
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 1: I give him some pepto bisball. Now. I love Tracy.

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01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 1: I met Tracy in New York in a in a

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01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 1: club in the middle of the winter. And I remember

1225
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 1: this because he didn't have no shirt on and he

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01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 1: was sweat and I'm like, it is four degrees outside.

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Speaker 2: Where jes get these girls pregnant.

1228
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 1: I'm to get somebody pregnant. And he had a little

1229
01:06:57,720 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 1: big belly. I'm like, you look pregnant.

1230
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 2: Chris Rock. Damn everybody getting fired from itsadel Chris Rock.

1231
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Speaker 2: And then he tried out for in Living Color. I

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01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 2: think Mark also tried out for in Living Color.

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Speaker 1: Probably, but we were gone, you go there, Yeah, we

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Speaker 1: weren't there.

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Speaker 2: How did so? When Keenan pittures in Living Color to you,

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01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 2: what are you thinking? And You're like, this is it?

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Speaker 2: This is our chance, this is my chance to show

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Speaker 2: my comedic genius.

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Speaker 1: I'm whatever, keen you wanna do? You know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: We did before we did a living color he had

1241
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Speaker 1: done I'm gonna get your sucker, yes, so, and then

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Speaker 1: we had done the Robert Townsend partner in Crimes. He

1243
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:45,440
Speaker 1: had written, you know, sketches for that. And you know,

1244
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 1: the funny thing is they told Keenan asked Robert if

1245
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 1: he could direct some sketches, and Roberts like, nah, man,

1246
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 1: you too lazy. All you want to do is chase girls.

1247
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Speaker 1: He said, you got to be disciplined to do this.

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Speaker 1: And Keenan was hurt. He's like, what bro, we.

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Speaker 2: Done hung out? We would chasing girls together, Bro, not

1250
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Speaker 2: you right?

1251
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Speaker 1: And so Keenan locked itself in his room for two

1252
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Speaker 1: weeks and wrote I'm gonna get you sucker.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: And then he directed. But that was his fuel, right,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, It's exactly what he needed

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Speaker 1: to hear, right. And then when we did I'm Gonna

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Speaker 1: Get you Sucker, it was so much fun. There's nothing

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Speaker 1: filming too, but the environment is just so fun and creative.

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Speaker 1: And that's what in Living Color was. That's what I'm

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Speaker 1: Gonna get you, sucker, and the Robert Townsend partner in crime.

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Speaker 4: slash audio.

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Speaker 2: The thing is that you do stand up. And we

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Speaker 2: saw the incident with a will and Chris. Has that

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Speaker 2: ever happened to you? Has somebody ever ran up on stage?

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Speaker 2: A heckler ran up on stage as somebody run up

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Speaker 2: on stage, wish he may?

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Speaker 1: You know how heavy that Mike's stand. I'm busting it

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Speaker 1: to the white meat. Na, I'm not. You know, you

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Speaker 1: get into situations where people hacklright, you know, but a

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Speaker 1: man aren't gonna try you.

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Speaker 2: If you think he can get you exactly if.

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Speaker 1: You stand your ground. And you know, I learned this

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Speaker 1: from my brother. It's like not everybody. A lot of

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Speaker 1: people talk, but I'm gonna hit you first if I

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Speaker 1: feel threatened.

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Speaker 2: You got to get off chopped right.

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Speaker 1: In the throat. You have been chopped in your throat.

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Speaker 1: I wish you would try to fight half this somebody

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Speaker 1: pot right, it's quick. I don't want to fight. I'm

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Speaker 1: sixty five years old.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I got that kind of wins.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I ain't wrestling. You ain't gonna build

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Speaker 1: your rep off me.

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Speaker 2: But you You were in Bambooso with Jada.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love Jada. We had a great time. Spike

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Speaker 1: Lee was so generous and just like this awesome. It's

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Speaker 1: an awesome experience because this is the first time he

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Speaker 1: actually used ten cameras at one time. And Spike would go,

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Speaker 1: all right, damon, you come in. All I need you

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Speaker 1: to do is not put your hand down because there's

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Speaker 1: a camera camera here. So that's the kind of direction

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Speaker 1: he would get. But because he believed in what I

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Speaker 1: was doing in the rehearsal, and so it's really about, wow,

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Speaker 1: we're doing like two hundred setups in a day. That's

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Speaker 1: like ridiculous, you know. But he was like really braying

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Speaker 1: with that and Jada. We had so much fun on

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Speaker 1: that and just taking chances. And you know what happens

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Speaker 1: is the show business changes you really, yeah, because you

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Speaker 1: know you and I don't. I'm not speaking on Jada,

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about in general. Only God should be famous.

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Speaker 1: And you see how he do it. He staying visible

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Speaker 1: because you know, people stupid, you know, because it's it's

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Speaker 1: a psychological This guy's are all messed up and they out

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Speaker 1: there partying, and and it's never enough because it's not what.

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Speaker 1: You don't deserve this, you don't deserve to have a threesome.

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Speaker 1: Go back to the ghetto where you came from. Did

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Speaker 1: you get to get in? Then you you deserve it

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Speaker 1: ain't never happened. And and the thing is when you

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Speaker 1: look yourself in the mirror, you know you mean you

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Speaker 1: put you gotta put on uh these errors and pretend

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Speaker 1: that you deserve it because you don't.

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Speaker 2: Wow, I'm looking at some of the the the people

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Speaker 2: that was only living color. You became even bigger. David

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Speaker 2: Allen Greer, Jamie Fox, Jim Carrey, and I had Marlon

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Speaker 2: and and Marlon said, jao jalah uh and he said

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Speaker 2: he knew. Did you know Jim Carrey was gonna be that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the one that brought Jim to Kennan. So

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Speaker 1: me and Jim used to be in the comedy club.

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Speaker 1: Jim Carrey is a master impressionist. Yes, like he he

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Speaker 1: does like like Sean Penn, Yeah, like weird, like like

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Speaker 1: Michael Landon, like uh. He would get standing ovations in

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Speaker 1: a comedy club doing a twenty minute set. Now, any

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Speaker 1: comedian to tell you that's damned there impossible. There's few

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Speaker 1: and far between that can do that. That's how good

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Speaker 1: he was. But he hated doing the impressions because people

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Speaker 1: thought that's all he did. Right, So me and him

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Speaker 1: after Sam Kennison made it like we made a pack

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Speaker 1: that we're gonna push each other. So he would go

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Speaker 1: on stage he couldn't do his impressions and we just

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Speaker 1: yell out stuff to him and he would do the

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Speaker 1: same thing for me, and we would just challenge each

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Speaker 1: other on stage. He had none to lose, right, you know.

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Speaker 1: But Jim I truly knew he was special. Special, And

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Speaker 1: it didn't take Keenan long ago. He's the guy because

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Speaker 1: they saw every white boy in Hollywood for that role. Right,

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Speaker 1: and when he came with Fire March, Yeah, he did

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Speaker 1: that on stage. The comics store. He's messing around with

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Speaker 1: a match on stage.

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Speaker 2: But he but the one thing he's always He's given

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Speaker 2: your family and Keenan and yourself your flowers. He says,

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Speaker 2: when Hollywood turned their back on me and didn't believe

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Speaker 2: in me, this black family did, and they gave me

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Speaker 2: a platform.

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Speaker 1: He's our eminem y'all different here with yeah, but listen

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Speaker 1: when I still when I see Jim, it's all love.

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Speaker 1: It's It's like that's how you know your your family.

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Speaker 1: It's like when you see your old teammate, you just

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Speaker 1: pick up like it was yesterday. You don't see man,

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Speaker 1: why you're there's none of that. It's just like instant,

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Speaker 1: instant connection. And we're just talking about you know, anything

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Speaker 1: without resentment, without it's it's just love. David Allen, Grid

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Speaker 1: Tommy you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah Tommy, I forgot about Tommy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Well it's all love, Jamie, because we we

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Speaker 1: we thought of fine fight and we won.

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Speaker 2: How did the hell did Keena convince Fox? Well, it's

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Speaker 2: not so convinced now, because you know they kind of

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Speaker 2: do they kind of go against the grain over there.

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Speaker 2: But how did he convince them at that time to

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Speaker 2: put a living color? What you guys were doing on

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Speaker 2: the air.

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Speaker 1: Well, the funny thing is they came to him after

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Speaker 1: they saw I'm gonna get you, sucker. The reaction they didn't.

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Speaker 1: They were like what the hell? Like people would get

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Speaker 1: up and run out the theater around We laughed, he's

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Speaker 1: falling out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And they didn't understand it, and they wanted to

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Speaker 1: meet with him immediately, and they's like, look, and so

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Speaker 1: Keena took this meeting thinking that they wanted to do a.

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Speaker 2: Film deal with a movie yet.

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Speaker 1: Right, So he's in there and they're telling him about

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Speaker 1: you know how great it is and we want that

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Speaker 1: kind of edge, and they say we got a network.

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Speaker 1: We're we're gonna do a new network coming up. And

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Speaker 1: Keena was like, okay, the meeting is over. And he

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Speaker 1: went to walk out the door and goes, wait, wait away.

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Speaker 1: You can do anything you want to do.

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Speaker 2: Anything that part.

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Speaker 1: And that's actually a lyric in the Living Color song

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Speaker 1: you can do what you want to do. The thing

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Speaker 1: is we did do anything we want. And then so

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Speaker 1: we were a mid season replacement right supposed to come

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Speaker 1: out in February or something, and they got it. They

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Speaker 1: were so scared of it that they went to the JDL,

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Speaker 1: they went to the NAACP, push you know, everybody, to

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Speaker 1: try to get them to sign off, and they would like,

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Speaker 1: give us money, we'll sign off for it. And then

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Speaker 1: you know it's like they they was like they didn't

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Speaker 1: know what to do. So we missed that window, We

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Speaker 1: missed the fall season because they still didn't want to

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Speaker 1: know what to do. And then Barry Dilla just went,

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Speaker 1: you know what, put it on. Let's see if it's

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Speaker 1: if people are having this kind of reaction to it,

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Speaker 1: let's it on. That's what we wanted. And then the

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Speaker 1: rest is history.

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Speaker 2: Wow. So now you go from did you feel vindication

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Speaker 2: going from SNEL to Living Color because everything that you

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Speaker 2: did on in Living Color you had tried to do

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Speaker 2: on SNL and it said not ain't gonna go. And

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Speaker 2: now you're you're getting rave reviews. Everybody's talking about homedy clown.

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Speaker 2: They still talk about homedy clown, homedy clowns on T shirt.

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Speaker 1: Now I ain't getting no money for that.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, tality. You should have copyright a home.

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Speaker 1: Well, the thing is it's all good, it's you know,

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Speaker 1: it's love and you know everybody got to eat it

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Speaker 1: is a great vindication. No, I think it validation. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but in Living Color was the validation. It has nothing

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Speaker 1: to do with SNL. I buried that as soon as

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Speaker 1: I left. It was like I never looked.

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Speaker 2: Back on Then they called you come back. You went back.

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Speaker 1: I would host it, and I would host it, did

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Speaker 1: host one, and he brought me back to do stand

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Speaker 1: up at the left. You know, Lauren is very forgiving,

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Speaker 1: you know, but he had to show me who's boss.

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Speaker 1: And that's fine, right, you know, But in the end,

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Speaker 1: he know and I know that it was the best

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Speaker 1: thing for me to be off the sholwf Right.

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Speaker 2: I saw Jerry Seinfeld explaining the importance of failing it

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Speaker 2: doing you're your way because a lot of people, and

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Speaker 2: I've said this about sports, a lot of times people

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Speaker 2: would rather lose their weight than win someone else's way

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Speaker 2: because they lose themselves. That's not who they are. And

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Speaker 2: it seems to me that she was like, look, if

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go down, I'm gonna go down doing things

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Speaker 2: my way. I'm not finna go down doing it your

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Speaker 2: way because I'm not being authentic to myself. Right.

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Speaker 1: But I had already gotten the warning from Eddie, right,

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Speaker 1: So when I walked in. I knew it wasn't a team.

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Speaker 1: We weren't playing team ball. I was on the team.

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Speaker 1: So I just knew that you know this and what

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Speaker 1: he was saying was playing itself out in front of me.

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Speaker 1: So you know, when you talk about sports, sports is

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Speaker 1: a team game, right, you know, And you can be

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Speaker 1: the best person in the in the game, but it's

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Speaker 1: the team.

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Speaker 2: The team don't play well around you, you lose, right.

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Speaker 1: But if you and if you try to take all

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Speaker 1: the glory, then people praying for your downfall and they

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Speaker 1: may not block the next time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you got you have to.

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Speaker 1: You know, these are your brothers that you are out

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Speaker 1: there trying to, you know, compete in this war. It

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Speaker 1: is the footballs of war, basketballs of war.

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Speaker 2: I read that some celebrities would get upset with you

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Speaker 2: when you would make fun of them or use them

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Speaker 2: in your sketches. Did they ever approach you? I saw

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Speaker 2: Mike Tyson, Whitney Houston mc Hamburg. Did they ever coming

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Speaker 2: to you, say, bro, come on that.

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Speaker 1: Mike Tyson rolled up on me in a jewelry store.

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Speaker 1: You talked about scared. I wanted to show them my foot.

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Speaker 1: I got club foot Mike please like but he it

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Speaker 1: was like he was playing but he's so strong. He

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Speaker 1: grabbed me and he bit me on my neck. That

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Speaker 1: was yander and I just felt I'd still remember his high.

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Speaker 1: I could feel his hot high and I was like,

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Speaker 1: oh and he was but he was playing right. But Mike,

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Speaker 1: here's an interesting thing. Mike Tyson loves my family and

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Speaker 1: it's not because of me. He was at some event

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Speaker 1: with my mother and my mother said and said, introduced

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Speaker 1: herself to him, and she said, I'm the you know

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Speaker 1: missus Wayne. He said, oh, your kids they make and

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Speaker 1: the I don't like they mockerized me. They're always making

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Speaker 1: jokes and that. And my mother saif shut up, they

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Speaker 1: didn't love you, they wouldn't do you.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: And Mike Tyson was like, I fell in love with

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Speaker 1: your family right there. Just just if anything ever happen

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Speaker 1: happened with you and your family, I'm gonna eat through people.

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Speaker 1: But he loved just I guess that's it felt like

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Speaker 1: a mother to me. You know. She just he said,

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Speaker 1: I couldn't knock your mom out, but she just she

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Speaker 1: reprimanded me. It was like beautiful because he did want

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Speaker 1: to be keen of though and he was trying to

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Speaker 1: instigate it. He's gonna kick his door down and beat

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Speaker 1: him up.

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Speaker 2: This concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two

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Speaker 2: is also posted and you can access it to whichever

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Speaker 2: podcast platform you just listened to part one on. Just

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Speaker 2: simply go back to club profile and I'll see you there.