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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome everybody to the Friday edition of

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Speaker 1: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. My may man

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Speaker 1: Clay off today much needed break spending some time with

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Speaker 1: the fam, so you will be rolling with me for

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Speaker 1: the minutes or even a few hours you can hang.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for giving me some of your time today. Eight

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Speaker 1: two eight two two eight eight two. Racked and stacked

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Speaker 1: today with things to talk about on some fantastic guests.

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Speaker 1: I'll give you the latter. First, our man Alex Berenson,

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Speaker 1: who might in fact be back on Twitter at some

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Speaker 1: point giving Elan's purchase in process of it, but also

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Speaker 1: COVID cases rising rapidly in this country. Alex is the

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Speaker 1: author of Pandemia. As you know, he's the man who

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Speaker 1: has been right on key issues when everybody else was

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Speaker 1: trying to shout him down, kick him off social media platforms.

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Speaker 1: He'll be joining middle of the next hour and then

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Speaker 1: third hour. Andy McCarthy formerly of the Southern District of

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Speaker 1: does great analysis and national viewer. He rights. We're talking

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Speaker 1: about the Hunter Biden situation and whether or not there

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Speaker 1: should be a special counsel. Isn't this a perfect case

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Speaker 1: for a special counsel? The president's son very much implicated

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Speaker 1: in financial impropriety and possible corruption that goes all the

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Speaker 1: way to the White House, and the sitting president himself implicated.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying can prove it. I'm saying there's certainly

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Speaker 1: reason for investigation. There's already a federal investigation going on

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Speaker 1: in Delaware. We will discuss that, to be sure. But disinformation,

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Speaker 1: that's what I want to dive into with you right now. Disinformation,

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Speaker 1: or as the Russians would say, the informazia, because they

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Speaker 1: are practitioners, longtime, active practitioners of it, both domestically and

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Speaker 1: in foreign affairs, government sponsored, government pushed lies, they think

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Speaker 1: for a higher purpose. That's at least in the Russian context,

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Speaker 1: in the Soviet context as well, how it was going,

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Speaker 1: how they used it. Then you have America today, what's

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Speaker 1: happening here. Democrats seem to think that they have an

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Speaker 1: iron grip on the notion of disinformation. They're the ones

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Speaker 1: that get to determine. They're the ones who know and

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Speaker 1: understand what real disinformation is and you aren't allowed to

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Speaker 1: say it. This isn't even a particularly clever way to

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Speaker 1: nullify free speech, both as a cultural and political notion

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Speaker 1: as well as a legal constitutional one. They're not even

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Speaker 1: coming up with some new fascinating argument here. They're essentially saying,

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Speaker 1: it's so dangerous what you think about things, COVID elections,

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Speaker 1: you name it, the climate. Your thoughts are so dangerous.

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Speaker 1: They're saying this to at least half the country, if

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Speaker 1: not more, that you aren't allowed to share them. And

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Speaker 1: the government will both tell the biggest, most powerful companies

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Speaker 1: when it comes to information dissemination the social media platforms,

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Speaker 1: a government will tell them, hey, go after these targets.

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Speaker 1: And now they're even going a step beyond to a

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Speaker 1: true page from Orwell's nineteen eighty four or the Ministry

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Speaker 1: of Truth, Ministry of Truth, Ministry of Peace, ministry of

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Speaker 1: so many things, that they're setting up this disinformation governance

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Speaker 1: sport within the Department of Homeland Security, so within the

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Speaker 1: Right They're they're setting this thing up so that it

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Speaker 1: the very notion of disinformation as an official government role.

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Speaker 1: We have to find all the lies and make the

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Speaker 1: lies go away. Anybody who believes in freedom, I don't

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Speaker 1: just mean free speech freedom should be on edge. But

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Speaker 1: the Biden administration is so desperate, so pathetic, and so

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Speaker 1: inept that things that they used to do behind closed

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Speaker 1: So now they have this Disinformation Governance Board with Nina

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Speaker 1: there's two levels where this is interesting. On the one hand,

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Speaker 1: she is about as unseerious and preposterous as you would

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Speaker 1: She is singing online about disinformation. I think this is

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Speaker 1: on TikTok. Informational laundering is really quite her. She sits

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Speaker 1: mainstream outlet. So disinformation's origins are slightly less atrocious. It's

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Speaker 1: how you hidle a lighted lie. It's how you had

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Speaker 1: hidled line when Rudy Juliani shared that in Tamsan Ukraine, Oh,

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Speaker 1: not support their lies with our wallet voice onmote. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Soviet Mary Poppins is not somebody who should be in

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Speaker 1: We're having a little fun because she seems like an

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Speaker 1: the Department of Homeland Security, right, I mean you got

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Speaker 1: I mean I think the Coastguard. Now they've put all

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Speaker 1: It's a monstrous organization, huge, and they're going to have

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Speaker 1: this disinformation effort to root it out, to protect people

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Speaker 1: from it. And this is who's going to be in charge.

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Speaker 1: The funny thing is she actually has expertise in disinformation

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Speaker 1: because she is a practitioner of it. She was a

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Speaker 1: Trump campaign product, not quite saying it's Russian disinformation, although

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Speaker 1: maybe that got in there too. So this is somebody

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Speaker 1: its validity or validity of reporting surrounding that, How can

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Speaker 1: she's going to be able to accurately judge misinformation now

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Speaker 1: that a lot of that reporting has been proven to

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Speaker 1: be factual in some ways. Well, I don't have any

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Speaker 1: So she's dodging. She's stepping aside, essentially say well, I

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Speaker 1: have no idea. Let me tell you something. There are

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Speaker 1: two characteristics of the left, which is now the vanguard

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Speaker 1: The left wing of the Democrat Party is running the

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Speaker 1: why it has gone so insane and why Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: just well, there are a number of reasons why he

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Speaker 1: And you have to keep in mind hypocrisy and hubris

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Speaker 1: they approach essentially everything, hypocrisy and hubris. They're hypocrites constantly, right.

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Speaker 1: You see this with the way they react to one

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Speaker 1: social media platform, Twitter possibly not being a province of progressives.

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Speaker 1: we need to we can't allow this government should step in.

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Speaker 1: We need regulation. This is destroying our democracy. Well, hold

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Speaker 1: on a second. I thought, I thought you guys pretended

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Speaker 1: you said, libs, it's a private company, it can do

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Speaker 1: They're just hypocrites and the mask mandates. Oh no, I

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Speaker 1: That's the attitude of the Democratic leads. You see this

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Speaker 1: disinformation issue, it's hubris. Think about this. The Democrat Party

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Speaker 1: their way through different communities. Untruths that are out there

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Speaker 1: live not by lies. Democrats are lying when they say

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Speaker 1: We're just trying to make sure it's just the facts. Folks.

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Speaker 1: Spend two seconds going through the most recent fact check

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Speaker 1: You'll see it's just a partisan operation, laundering the talking

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Speaker 1: as though they're always right. At anybody who challenges them

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Speaker 1: want to set up a disinformation board. Well, of course,

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Speaker 1: of course they do, because if they can strip from

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Speaker 1: win and they know it. That's all this comes down to. Otherwise,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for calling in Andy. Do we have fuck? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: You think, if that happens, Andy, you just get the

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Speaker 1: you know, he's going to go before the court and

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Speaker 1: they're gonna clean him up, and he's gonna say I

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Speaker 1: was a you know, so you think maybe he does

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks at like Club fed or like

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Speaker 1: a halfway house or whatever. The Biden administration says, yeah,

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Speaker 1: look at us, We're so honorable, and then all the

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Speaker 1: big stuff just fades away. I do. I think there's

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Speaker 1: a there's a very real possibility of that, and I'm

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Speaker 1: not so sure fuck that even if there were a

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Speaker 1: special prosecutor that that doesn't happen, because again, to say

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Speaker 1: what I said at the beginning, there should if we're

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Speaker 1: going to treat everybody equally, there should be a special

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Speaker 1: prosecutor here, because they always have one in a Republican situation.

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Speaker 1: But let's remember, special counsels answer to the Attorney General

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Speaker 1: and ultimately to the President, and they have to follow

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Speaker 1: Justice Department rules, which would mean they presumably have to

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Speaker 1: follow Tax Division guidance. So special counsel is hardly a

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Speaker 1: perfect solution here either. Andy, Just before we let you go,

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Speaker 1: I'm wondering, do you hold out that there's any real

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Speaker 1: possibility of big stuff coming in the Durham investigation or

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Speaker 1: has it just dragged on so long so far that

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Speaker 1: it's going to go out with a whimper or not

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Speaker 1: a bang. Where do you think that where do you

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Speaker 1: think that's likely to fall? Buck? In the last couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks in the lead up to the Sussman trial,

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Speaker 1: which is supposed to start in I think May sixteenth,

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Speaker 1: what Durham has said is he still has a pending

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Speaker 1: open investigation. He hasn't decided whether to indict a case

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Speaker 1: for fraud against the United States. He is theorized that

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Speaker 1: there was a fraud against the United States which was

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Speaker 1: basically driven by the Hillary Clinton campaign. But he has

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Speaker 1: said he has a made up his mind about things

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Speaker 1: like whether the information on this Alpha Bank stuff that

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Speaker 1: they brought to the FBI into the CIA, whether it

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Speaker 1: was simply insufficient to predicate an investigation, or whether it

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Speaker 1: was actually fraudulent that they fabricated stuff to make it

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Speaker 1: look worse than it was. I don't know why he

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Speaker 1: hasn't decided that up until that seems to me it's

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Speaker 1: been a long time. But he does say he's still

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Speaker 1: looking at it, so it's not over yet, and he's

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Speaker 1: that fair to say. I mean, in a meaningful way,

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Speaker 1: it's not over yet. According to Durham himself, he's told

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Speaker 1: the court that you know, they wanted immunity for this

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Speaker 1: tech executive who worked with Susman the defensive because they

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Speaker 1: want to call him for as a witness. And Durham says,

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Speaker 1: I'm not immunizing him. He's still subject of an investigation.

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Speaker 1: We haven't decided whether the charge him yet or not.

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Speaker 1: All right, Andy, we'll have you back to talk more

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Speaker 1: about it as it develops. Andy McCarthy, everybody, Andy, thanks

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Speaker 1: so much, Thank you. Buck. Look, how much longer do

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Speaker 1: hour of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show underway

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Speaker 1: eight two eight eight two on those phones. My main man,

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Speaker 1: Clay taking much deserved vacation with the fam. So I'm

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Speaker 1: rocketed solo here in NYC, and we've got my buddy

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Speaker 1: Alex Barrenson calling. The Barrenson Cavalry will be arriving in

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Speaker 1: about half an hour talked to him about the apparently

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Speaker 1: under or five year olds or five and under and

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Speaker 1: much more and than Andy McCarthy on should there be

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Speaker 1: a special counsel? Is the Hunter Biden laptop going to

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Speaker 1: result in more than the Democrats bargain for. That's all

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Speaker 1: coming up, but first, you know, there's a really interesting

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Speaker 1: debate that is underway right now between some of the

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Speaker 1: voices in the media that think they know a lot

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Speaker 1: about this stuff because Elon Musk said, and he's putting

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Speaker 1: out stuff on Twitter. He has said, first of all,

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Speaker 1: that wokeness is divisive, exclusionary, and hateful, and he's absolutely right.

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Speaker 1: He has referred to the woke mind virus and that

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Speaker 1: is absolutely what it is. And he has said also

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Speaker 1: that the Democrat Party, and he shared some graphic if

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Speaker 1: you will, that showed this on Twitter, which is obviously

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Speaker 1: a platform he's very active on right now, is the

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Speaker 1: soon to be new owner of it that showed that

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Speaker 1: the left has basically gone insane. The left is now

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Speaker 1: taking policy positions and pushing for things that they would

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Speaker 1: have said never would we want that even maybe ten

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Speaker 1: or five years ago. The left has radicalized. It's radicalized

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Speaker 1: in large part because it had acquired the institutional power

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Speaker 1: and places like Twitter and Facebook, Silicon Valley, Corporate America, Disney, Netflix,

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Speaker 1: though it had the power to finally push for things

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Speaker 1: that would be unrecognizable to a Democrat party of even

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Speaker 1: ten years ago. And they're starting to figure this out

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Speaker 1: among Democrats because some of them are just delusional and

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Speaker 1: they say that's not true. The right has moved further right.

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Speaker 1: You'll see some people say this, I'll look at this

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Speaker 1: data that I've pulled a bunch of data. Look at

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Speaker 1: I've got a magic algorithm. It shows you that it's

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Speaker 1: the right wing that's got really right. The right wing

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Speaker 1: in an era of conservatives who were increasingly i think

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Speaker 1: frustrated with just abandoning ground to the other side, losing,

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Speaker 1: but losing slowly and gracefully. That had been the GOP

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Speaker 1: mantra for well much of the last twenty years until

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Speaker 1: Trump came along and said, no, I think you punched

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Speaker 1: bullies back in the nose. When they punch you first.

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Speaker 1: That was a big change. The left is now pushing

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Speaker 1: for ideas that they would have agreed were extreme just

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Speaker 1: a few years ago, even perhaps back in the Obama administration.

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Speaker 1: Although I would argue that this is just the next

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Speaker 1: logical phase of obama Ism, if you will, what we've seen,

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Speaker 1: and that they were establishing a beachhead for more of this.

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Speaker 1: That's slopes are in fact slippery. Don't ever listen to

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Speaker 1: somebody says that's a slippery slope argument. Yes, and it's

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Speaker 1: probably true, as we have seen, there's a read gravity

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Speaker 1: still works on a slope. That's why it is slippery.

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Speaker 1: Liberals can't win a culture war without a good defense.

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Speaker 1: This is the piece by Jonathan Chaite which I thought

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Speaker 1: was interesting. This caught my attention because here's what the

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Speaker 1: left has been saying about the formidable work of Chris Ruffo,

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Speaker 1: who just exposes what is really going on. He just

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Speaker 1: shows what's really being taught to your kids. He explains

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Speaker 1: what diversity and inclusion and wokeness means in the corporate context,

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Speaker 1: with proof, with video, with the teaching materials, and you

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Speaker 1: know what the left keeps saying, that's not true. That's

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Speaker 1: not real. They're just in denialism about it, and that's

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Speaker 1: not gonna work. It's not that they're upset with the

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Speaker 1: dishonesty inherent in the denialism, because honestly, the left has

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Speaker 1: no principles to protect, so it gives them a lot

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Speaker 1: of leeway. It's that they realize it's politically disadvantageous. Now

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Speaker 1: there's a problem. There's a problem that Democrats are facing

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Speaker 1: in this mid term, and that is people have seen

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Speaker 1: how crazy the Democrat Party is, and the Democrats in

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Speaker 1: places like Arizona and Nevada and Pennsylvania, who want to

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Speaker 1: tell you all, I'm just I'm a gun totin you know,

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Speaker 1: Democrat who's moderate and all this sort of stuff. No, no,

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Speaker 1: not gonna buy it. Not when your party is pushing

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Speaker 1: for this stuff. So this has become a political threat

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Speaker 1: to Democrats. Jonathan Shade and this piece says he's remember

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Speaker 1: he's a leftist, this is a man on the left,

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Speaker 1: but he's writing about this because he recognizes that pretending

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Speaker 1: it's not there isn't going to make the problem go away.

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Speaker 1: Don't dodge culture wars, win them is a slogan that

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Speaker 1: has begun circulating on the left he rights. Jamal Bowie

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Speaker 1: makes a more considered version of the case in a

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Speaker 1: recent column. Here's how he begins. Almost sixty years ago,

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Speaker 1: the historian Richard hofstad Are described what he saw as

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Speaker 1: the true goal of McCarthyism. The real function of the

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Speaker 1: Great Inquisition of the nineteen fifties was not anything so

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Speaker 1: simply rationalist to turn up spies or prevent espionage, or

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Speaker 1: even to expose actual communists, but to discharge resentments and frustrations,

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Speaker 1: to punish, to satisfy enmities whose roots lay elsewhere than

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Speaker 1: in the communist issue itself. I also find this president

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Speaker 1: to be instructive, though I think the implications might in

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Speaker 1: a different direction than many culture war and listeners would

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Speaker 1: like to take it. And he goes on to explain

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Speaker 1: about the reality of communist penetration of the United States government,

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Speaker 1: with communists, and I mean getting checks and orders from

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Speaker 1: the Kremlin in the Soviet Union Communists, the Democrats pretend

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Speaker 1: this did not happen. It did happen. McCarthyism is not

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Speaker 1: based on a fantasy. McCarthy was right about a lot actually,

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Speaker 1: and Democrats now think that they're going to be able

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Speaker 1: to run the same playbook that they did on the

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Speaker 1: so called Red Scare. They just act like it wasn't

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Speaker 1: even there. It was all people will say, Oh, it's McCarthyism,

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Speaker 1: and you say, well, hold on a second, what do

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Speaker 1: you mean by that? Because Alger Hiss was a Soviet

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Speaker 1: spy and a senior advisor and member of the United

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Speaker 1: States government. Because there were communist penetrations, if you want

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Speaker 1: to read now, only one of them, Richard Wright, only

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Speaker 1: one of them was I think an American communist. But

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Speaker 1: The God That Failed is a great compendium of essays

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Speaker 1: written by former communists in the West, in Europe and

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Speaker 1: America saying that this was they realized that they were

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Speaker 1: essentially part of a godless death cult of totalitarianism that

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Speaker 1: was trying to destroy the whole planet. I mean, they

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Speaker 1: didn't put it in those terms, but that's basically what

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Speaker 1: they were saying. The Communist penetration was real. Why does

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Speaker 1: this matter today, because what the left is trying to

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Speaker 1: tell you is that they're not pushing gender identity on

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Speaker 1: children anywhere they're not teaching that white people need to apologize,

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Speaker 1: even in a corporate context, for all the racism of

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Speaker 1: the past, and they should be ashamed, and they should

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Speaker 1: be you know, being an ally means bending the knee

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Speaker 1: and saying, yes, I'm ashamed of my past and my

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Speaker 1: history and who I am. They pretend that that's not happening.

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Speaker 1: That's a lie, and people see it now, and that's

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Speaker 1: the problem. So it's not that they weren't comfortable telling

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Speaker 1: the lies before. It's that the lie no longer works

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Speaker 1: for the Democrats. The left can't get away with it anymore.

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Speaker 1: And that's why Ronda Santis and others leaning in on this.

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Speaker 1: Chris Rufo doing fantastic work exposing what is being taught

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Speaker 1: to your kids. Glenn young can up in Virginia is

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Speaker 1: great on the school issue in printal involvement. People realize.

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Speaker 1: Show the American people what is actually happening right now,

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Speaker 1: and they will see that the left is insane. And

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Speaker 1: now I bring up this Chate piece, Jonathan Shate's piece,

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Speaker 1: because he's a leftist who is saying, hey, guys, we

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Speaker 1: got a fight on this issue. Because the I don't

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Speaker 1: see this, it's not real they're just lying about teaching

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Speaker 1: four year old's gender identity. Ain't gonna fly that the

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Speaker 1: cats out of the bag. People know it's there. The

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Speaker 1: evidence is out there. You know, Chris Ruffo has a

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Speaker 1: whole website with this stuff. You just see it, the

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Speaker 1: diversity inclusion training. Everybody that I know in corporate America

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Speaker 1: has some story right now, all of mine. When I

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Speaker 1: say that, I know close friends of mine will tell

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Speaker 1: you know what, what were you allowed to say during

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Speaker 1: the BLM riots when they would have these you know,

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Speaker 1: town hall meetings in different companies. Were you allowed to

653
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 1: say this is reckless, it's destructive, it's stupid, it's actually

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Speaker 1: not about saving lives. It's going to ruin lives. And

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Speaker 1: we've now seen that is what actually happened. Were you

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Speaker 1: allowed to say that incorporate meter, No, of course you weren't.

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Speaker 1: Everyone knows that you lose your job, lose your job

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Speaker 1: a lot of places, so they have to at least

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Speaker 1: address the reality of where the American people are on this.

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Speaker 1: And that's why when Ronda Santis had the whole issue

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Speaker 1: with Disney that came up, he knew, oh, yeah, Disney,

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Speaker 1: you want to do you want to go along with

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Speaker 1: this lie that it's the don't say gay bill you

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Speaker 1: want to go a along with this pretense that no

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Speaker 1: one wants to teach kids weird stuff when they're four

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Speaker 1: or five years old in school. No one wants to

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Speaker 1: indoctrinate them. That's what the left was trying. And Desanta said, no,

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Speaker 1: let's fight back, let's tell people the truth. And so

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Speaker 1: now the left is you see on their heels, they're

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Speaker 1: playing defense on issues they thought they could get away with,

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Speaker 1: continuing to be on offense on and this they're not

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Speaker 1: able to really make that psychological transition. What are they

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Speaker 1: going to do because, as I said, there's power at

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Speaker 1: stake now, the mission that they have to indoctrinate and

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Speaker 1: to crush and silence the opposition, that is in jeopardy.

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Speaker 1: So they have to take into account what the what

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Speaker 1: the real explanation is, What is the argument they're going

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Speaker 1: to make. They can't just say we're not teaching four

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Speaker 1: year olds that there are lots of different genders and

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Speaker 1: we're not pushing kids who are five or six years old.

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Speaker 1: And this is just one issue, right, but this is

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Speaker 1: an important one. You've noticed the silence about the athletes

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Speaker 1: males competing against females. The NCAA from ninety percent of

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Speaker 1: the left. They won't. They won't criticize it. They'll go

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Speaker 1: along with it. They won't criticize people who say men

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Speaker 1: can get pregnant. They go along with it. Everyone sees

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Speaker 1: this now. So while it used to be feasible for

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Speaker 1: them to just ignore to downplay, I mean, look, look,

689
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 1: look at the game they play with CRT. Specifically, there

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Speaker 1: is no CRT in schools. There is no CRTs. That's

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Speaker 1: what they kept saying. And the only reason we knew

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Speaker 1: about the CRT in the first place, the critical race

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Speaker 1: theory was because of parents who were at home who

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Speaker 1: saw what was being taught to their kids because of

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Speaker 1: zoom instruction, because the teachers unions shut down the schools

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Speaker 1: far longer than they needed to be because Democrats take

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Speaker 1: orders from the teachers unions. But that's a whole other

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Speaker 1: component of this. So parents were seeing what was being

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Speaker 1: taught to their kids, and then what do the national

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Speaker 1: media try to say, that's not being taught to your kids.

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Speaker 1: Don't believe your lying eyes, don't believe you're lying. Years

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Speaker 1: this is what the Democrat party line was. And then

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Speaker 1: more information came out, more data came out, and that

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00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: became untenable. So they said, well, you can't understand what

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Speaker 1: CRT is. You have to have a PhD to know. Really,

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think we all understand that

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Speaker 1: say you know you are the oppressed, and you are

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Speaker 1: the oppressor. Small children no ability to reason through this.

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Speaker 1: They're just listening to the adults as we as we

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Speaker 1: teach them too. We tell them to parents, say listen

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Speaker 1: to mister or missus, you know so and so as

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Speaker 1: your teacher. And then the teachers are filling their minds

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Speaker 1: with this nonsense. And then the left was trying to

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Speaker 1: pretend it wasn't going on, and now we see it

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Speaker 1: obviously was. And some Democrats are trying to not out

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Speaker 1: of principle, but out of a desire for power, trying

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Speaker 1: to signal that there's a problem here, trying to ring

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Speaker 1: We got to say, Okay, maybe there are some people

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Speaker 1: on the left who have taken it to this crazy extreme,

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Speaker 1: but it's not representative of the Democrat party. Because the

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Speaker 1: they're still trying to play right now is we don't

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Speaker 1: do that. No one says that that's not happening, that's

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Speaker 1: not going to work. We've exposed too much, We've seen

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Speaker 1: too much. The truth is out there now, so we

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Speaker 1: just have to stay on it. It's one of the

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Speaker 1: got in your mind eight hundred two eight two two

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Speaker 1: University campuses do this stuff openly, so I don't need

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us. Man, We got a couple of

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Speaker 1: things to talk to you about today. Yeah, yeah, good

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Speaker 1: man the Do you want to start with Twitter stuff

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Speaker 1: for a second here, because we talk a lot about

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Speaker 1: COVID stuff. Let's start with the Twitter. You have a

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Speaker 1: lawsuit against Twitter. You are one of the people who

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Speaker 1: famously was booted for a tweet that now in particular,

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Speaker 1: one of the first ones to be brought back on

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Speaker 1: but you're actually suing them. So bring us up to

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Speaker 1: speed with with Barrens and v Twitter, but also what

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Speaker 1: you think of Elon's purchase here? Sure so so Barrens Twitter.

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Speaker 1: UM is my effort to say that, you know, I've

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Speaker 1: been damaged by being uh uh you know, banned from

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Speaker 1: the platform. I should be back on the platform, and

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Speaker 1: you know, and I have other damages to UM. Typically,

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00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: these lasses have not gone very far because there's this

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Speaker 1: provision in federal law called Section two thirty UM that

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Speaker 1: gives the companies a lot of power about their decisions

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Speaker 1: about um, you know, who they can allow on the platform.

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Speaker 1: Uh you know. And and my case, I believe is

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Speaker 1: considerably stronger than most other cases for a couple of reasons.

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Speaker 1: One is that and this is all in the lawsuit. UM.

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Speaker 1: One is that a Twitter executive repeatedly, uh you know,

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Speaker 1: contacted me UM and I was in contact with him,

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Speaker 1: you know, and so I was operating and tweeting um

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Speaker 1: you know, with the knowledge of Twitter. And they never

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Speaker 1: really objected to anything that I did until really until

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Speaker 1: July of twenty twenty one, when they came under tremendous

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Speaker 1: pressure from the federal government. UM. And and you know,

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Speaker 1: and then the rest of the media about my tweets

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Speaker 1: and about some you know, comments I'd made about the vaccines,

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Speaker 1: which as you say, have mostly been borne out, if

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Speaker 1: not entirely. Um. So, so that's one reason and another

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Speaker 1: reason so so the so I have facts that other

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Speaker 1: people don't have. UM. And I also have a really

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Speaker 1: good lawyer who has pointed to some some provisions in

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Speaker 1: California law. Um, and the California constitution, and California, of

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Speaker 1: course is where Twitter is based. The California Constitution is

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Speaker 1: very free speech protective, and California law has a number

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Speaker 1: of decisions. And you know what, people on the left,

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Speaker 1: you know, love to say, as Twitters a private company,

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Speaker 1: and private companies can do whatever they want on speech

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Speaker 1: when it comes to, uh, you know, censoring speech. Suddenly

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Speaker 1: that private companies, it's private property and they should be

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Speaker 1: there should be no government regulation when it comes to

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Speaker 1: this issue. But actually the California Constitution, in California law,

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Speaker 1: say explicitly, um. And there's a number of California court

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Speaker 1: decisions on this that large private companies can be viewed

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Speaker 1: as quasi public and can be subject to uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: essentially allowing people to speak, even if it's in ways

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Speaker 1: that the owners might not like. And um and again California.

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Speaker 1: Twitter's in California, so Twitter can say, well, because of

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Speaker 1: Section to thirty, this California law shouldn't apply to us.

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Speaker 1: And that creates a whole, you know, very interesting set

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Speaker 1: of questions around the First Amendment and around um, you know,

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Speaker 1: federal versus state law. So we have legal questions that

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Speaker 1: have not been answered before. We have a you know,

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Speaker 1: we have novel legal arguments, but we at the core

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Speaker 1: also have this argument of fairness about what Twitter promised

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Speaker 1: level of our contractual obligation, and whether or not when

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Speaker 1: they were following their own rules, their own explicit rules.

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Speaker 1: And I am happy to tell you that yesterday, um,

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Speaker 1: District of California, which is San Francisco before judge named

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Speaker 1: right questions about this. Now. I don't know how he's

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Speaker 1: going to rule. He'll rule how how he rules, and

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Speaker 1: um and and hopefully we'll find that out soon. But

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Speaker 1: a lot of people, you know, certainly Twitter, would have

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Speaker 1: hoped that he would do that, that he would just say, hey,

854
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Speaker 1: this case is dismissed, it can't go forward. And he

855
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Speaker 1: asked Twitter's lawyers a lot of pointed questions and there,

856
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Speaker 1: and this is not just me saying this. There's an

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Speaker 1: article that Politico and Politico is, you know, a fairly

858
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Speaker 1: liberal media outlet, where they pointed out that he had

859
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Speaker 1: actually said he said to Twitter yesterday, hey, let's get

860
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Speaker 1: some discovery on this. Let's get some depositions, meaning your

861
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 1: executives maybe should be questioned under oath about how it

862
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Speaker 1: is that you decided to throw this guy off. And

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Speaker 1: maybe we should see whether there's any communications between you

864
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Speaker 1: and the federal government, you and you and you know,

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Speaker 1: other social media companies, you and pharma companies. Let's let's

866
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Speaker 1: get into what's going on here now? Again, he hasn't

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Speaker 1: ruled yet, and he could still throw this out in

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Speaker 1: a ruling. But but that didn't feel like the tenor

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Speaker 1: of the hearing to me yesterday. It's been Alex Barrinson,

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Speaker 1: author of Pandemia. I got a sub stack unreported truths. Alex,

871
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Speaker 1: you worked at the New York Times years ago, and

872
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Speaker 1: so you understand that world and the alleged ethos that

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Speaker 1: journalists are supposed to be operating under in a variety

874
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Speaker 1: of context. What's it like for you to see pretty

875
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: much the most hallowed liberal newspaper, and you know, cable

876
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 1: news channels for whatever that's worth, effectively say yeah, we

877
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Speaker 1: we don't agree with free speech. It's so dishearensing book.

878
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 1: He's so upsetting to me. Um, you know, they they

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Speaker 1: they basically uh, you know, over the last couple of years,

880
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: you know, have have run away from free speech. And

881
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: I'm pretty much a free speech absolutist. Okay, I believe

882
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 1: the answer to bad speech is more speech. The answer

883
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: to good speech is more speech. We speech and the

884
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:55,399
Speaker 1: right to debate is a fundamental precept of democracy. And um,

885
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: and you know, people say, oh, it's so complicated to

886
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: regularly speech online. I think that's nonsense. Okay, I think

887
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: there's quite simple. There's Look, free speech doesn't extend to infinity.

888
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: If you and I, uh you know, have a conspiracy

889
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 1: to commit murder, we can't say, oh, well, we were

890
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: just talking. That doesn't mean anything. If I, you know,

891
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: if I have you know, child pornography in my uh

892
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: you know that I'm getting through the mail, like like,

893
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: that's illegal. Okay, there are there And by the way,

894
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Speaker 1: even even it's something as simple as like, if you

895
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: know you're in a you're in a public park. I

896
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: can't stand in your face screaming for four hours straight,

897
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Speaker 1: right at some point I'm harassing you. It rises to

898
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Speaker 1: the level of harassment. So these like the like they're

899
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: very very broad limits on free speech don't mean no

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00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: limits on free speech. But we are able to make

901
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 1: this distinction offline, and we can very easily make it online.

902
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 1: And this notion that Twitter is going to be assesspool

903
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:57,399
Speaker 1: of porn and people yelling at each other exactly exactly right.

904
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: The left uses this as excuse to ban people like me.

905
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that their censorship itch if you will,

906
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: is about COVID restrictions, election stuff, transgender issues, diversity and

907
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: inclusion and policing and race. And that's where they actually

908
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: have a problem. That's where they want to shut everybody down.

909
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: It's not on these other things, that's right. They don't

910
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: care that there's porn on Twitter. I mean, and you know,

911
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: and by the way, and so one, you know, to

912
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: go back to Barentson to Twitter. The reason this is

913
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: so important. And the judge actually asked yesterday, he said

914
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 1: to Twitter, look if he said, you know, you're you're

915
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:36,959
Speaker 1: going to have a new owner, and he may feel

916
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 1: differently about this lawsuit, you know, why should I continue

917
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: to hear it? And I and Twitter said, and I

918
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:44,919
Speaker 1: think in this case they're correct. They say, look, we

919
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 1: may have a new owner, that deal may go through,

920
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: but it hasn't gone through yet. And for the time being,

921
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,839
Speaker 1: this is our position. And you know, from my point

922
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: of view, Twitter, I'm not allowed on Twitter right now.

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Speaker 1: Whatever Elon may or may not do in a few months,

924
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: I'm not allowed on their new So this lawsuit should continue.

925
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Speaker 1: That's probably the only thing Twitter and I agree on

926
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Speaker 1: about this. Um but but but but whether or not

927
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: Elon takes over my right to speak on this incredibly

928
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: powerful platform that you know that that has hundreds of

929
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Speaker 1: millions of people on it. That is my most you know,

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00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: my best outlet to petition the government. It really is

931
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: as a journalist. Twitter is should not be dependent on

932
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: the whims of Elon Musk. Okay, because because I let

933
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: me tell you, if Elon owns this thing and I

934
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: get back on that, the first thing I'm gonna start doing,

935
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 1: maybe maybe not the first book, maybe the first is

936
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Speaker 1: writing you know, negative stuff about China, Okay, just to

937
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: try to prove to Elon Musk that I want to

938
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: see that you're serious about this, okay, and because China

939
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: has a lot to answer for it, let's on us.

940
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: But but but like, we shouldn't be dependent on Elon us.

941
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 1: These are rights that you know that are in the

942
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: California Constitution. They're in the US Constitution about free speech,

943
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: and that's where our rights should come from. It shouldn't

944
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: come from the whims of a billionaire, even if those

945
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: way I agree with Alex. We only got about a

946
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: minute or two here, but I'd be remiss if I

947
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: didn't ask you, Clay and I discussed this a little

948
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: bit yesterday Moderna wanting an emergency authorization for under was

949
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 1: an under is a five and under vaccination. And this

950
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: comes at a time when you've probably seen on social

951
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Speaker 1: media there are some of these people purporting to be parents,

952
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Speaker 1: I mean, I can't verify this, who essentially say they

953
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Speaker 1: haven't let their children out of the house to see

954
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Speaker 1: other kids and do anything in two years. Right, Well,

955
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,439
Speaker 1: I mean you know those parents now need to be

956
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 1: you know, beaten them about to face and neck work.

957
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: And I mean it's not a joke anymore like that.

958
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,760
Speaker 1: This is not a child abuse and should be treated

959
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: that way, you know, asw for Maderna. There's that famous

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00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: old cartoon how about never does never work for you?

961
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: You know, That's how I feel about, you know, these

962
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Speaker 1: vaccines for kids. I mean, the risk benefit it is insane.

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Speaker 1: Anybody who's had a child who's gotten omicron knows. I

964
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Speaker 1: mean again, there's this tiny, tiny, tiny traction of kids

965
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 1: who you know, who have severe comorbidities going in and

966
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: can get really sick. But do we have one example,

967
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: Alex that is that is confirmed of a healthy child

968
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Speaker 1: in that age range without a severe you know, you know,

969
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: compromise situation, which we mean they're susceptible to a whole

970
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: lot of other viruses and things too. Who has died

971
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: from from omicron? Do we know of a single one?

972
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: This short answer that question is no. I mean, I

973
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: believe in Britain they said they had a handful, but

974
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 1: they don't. They don't disclose obesity status. So I mean

975
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Speaker 1: even these kids who aren't you know, who are not

976
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: like you know again, either immune, are compromised or late

977
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Speaker 1: stage cancer or you know a lot of the kids

978
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 1: who've gotten really sick, are you know, they are off

979
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 1: the charts on BMI again for healthy kids. Look, even

980
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 1: if they can find a case like one case, the

981
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: fact is for healthy kids this is this is barely

982
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 1: even a cold. They should not be vaccinated against against

983
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Speaker 1: COVID with these mr and AVAC. Hopefully you'll be able

984
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: to say that on Twitter soon and not just here

985
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Speaker 1: on the show. A lot of people listen to the show, Alex,

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Speaker 1: thank you very much for joining us. Check out Handebia

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Speaker 1: unreported truess. You got another book coming out soon. Too. Alright, well,

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Speaker 1: first things first, but buck have a great weekend, man,

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Speaker 1: all right, have a great weekend. Alex. Thank you folks.

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