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That defender is in multiple pieces. 11 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 4: Oh that was nasty right there. 12 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 3: Rights slam the ground by fooda baker like a torpedo. 13 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 3: He came flying into the backfield. 14 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 2: I ain't scared of nobody. 15 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic. 16 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 2: You know, at this very moment, I realized that tom 17 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 2: My request for a calf X spend twenty twenty five 18 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 2: apparently was not approved. Darren, I'm looking at you. I 19 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 2: don't I don't have any any budget a crystal football. 20 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 2: So we can look into our crystal foot ball in 21 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 2: forecast the future. So when it comes around to making 22 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 2: predictions and the like that you know, I had a 23 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 2: nice prop here, What about like. 24 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 4: A magic eight ball? Everyone's always using AI chat GPT, 25 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 4: what about bringing back magic eight ball? 26 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 2: Actually, probably account it would tell me that's my budget 27 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 2: is a magic eight ball for yours truly? You know, 28 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 2: that's probably what they would tell me. 29 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 5: You're right, I will say this about a budget. I've 30 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 5: worked here for twenty almost twenty years and never once 31 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 5: had a budget. They don't trust me with a budget. 32 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 4: So, Paul, the email was not even read. 33 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 2: So there you go that that's my mistake. I submitted 34 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 2: the cap X request to Darren. I might even have 35 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 2: a budget. 36 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 5: I might get you a magicate all. 37 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 4: Though, next time, maybe just send it to Craig Grilou. 38 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 4: He might have some more powers. 39 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 2: Yeah he does. He does have back channels. You're right, 40 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 2: Craig does know how to play the game a little 41 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: bit better. Danny surrec Darren Urban Yours Truly poly podcast 42 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 2: be going to play in the game. In the absence 43 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 2: of information, what do you get speculation? So, since we've 44 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 2: yet to launch into Cardinals camp and the season, I mean, 45 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,559 Speaker 2: why not, let's just go ahead lob a few predictions 46 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 2: out there. When it comes to players, when it comes 47 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 2: to what else daring games stats? I mean, you know 48 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 2: all the above. 49 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 5: I mean I thought, hey, it would make some sense 50 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 5: as we get ready for camp here, let's all go 51 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 5: around the table here and pick a something having to 52 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 5: do with a game, something that has to do with 53 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 5: a player, and something that has to do with the 54 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 5: statistic or somewhere in that. I mean, it's it's wide open, Paula. 55 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 5: I mean, so use your imagination. 56 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 2: Okay, so should you bat lead off? Since this sunds 57 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,959 Speaker 2: like it was your concept that pretty compreh has an 58 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 2: understanding here, go ahead, I can do that. 59 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 5: I'm gonna I'm gonna start with my player prediction. I 60 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 5: know this is gonna it's absolutely going to be loved 61 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:00,080 Speaker 5: by the two of you. Michael Wilson will have eight 62 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 5: hundred yards receiving this season. Nice, that is my prediction. 63 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 5: I think I think he's heard all the conversations about 64 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 5: why haven't they brought somebody else in to be that 65 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 5: number two receiver, because let's face it, when we talk 66 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 5: about bringing in another receiver, that's basically the spot we're 67 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 5: talking about is what Michael Wilson does. So I think 68 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 5: he's worked very hard now there's there's variables involved. They 69 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 5: got to throw them the ball and then he's got 70 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 5: to make the play. But I think he's going to 71 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 5: step up and I think he's going to reach eight 72 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 5: hundred yards I think is the most he had as 73 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 5: a rookie was like five forty eight something like that, 74 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 5: five point fifty somewhere in there that was, and then 75 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 5: he was a little bit lower last year. I think 76 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 5: he'll get up to eight hundred yards. 77 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 2: So you're saying, does he need to go Keishawn Johnson 78 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 2: and put a book out? Throw me the dang ball. 79 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 5: I thought this was interesting. I was talking to him 80 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 5: about the subject and he's like, you know, the other 81 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 5: day I was looking and Trey McBride had like one 82 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 5: hundred and forty targets last year. Ish, I think Marvin 83 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 5: Harrison was at one sixteen, correct, and then he goes, 84 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 5: I was next at seventy five, and he goes, let's 85 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 5: face it, the way we play offense, I don't anticipate 86 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 5: the targets going way up, like the number of pass attempts. 87 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 5: If things change, he said, I would think maybe Marvin 88 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 5: gets to one forty and Trey is the one twenty. 89 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 5: So I'm probably still going to be in the same ballpark, 90 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 5: So I've got to make more hay with what comes 91 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 5: my way, which is either catching the ball and then 92 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 5: in his thought process, getting more, many more yards after 93 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 5: the catch. 94 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 2: Because when you said eight hundred plus yards receiving, the 95 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 2: first thing I thought of was yards per catch. Yeah, 96 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 2: because I just don't see him getting a ton of receptions. 97 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 2: May might not, but you know, if he averaged eighteen 98 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 2: yards of catch, that would be enormous for this offense. 99 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 5: You know. And again, we may be sitting here near 100 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 5: the end of the season and you may be laughing 101 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 5: at me, Paul for this, right. I mean, I know 102 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 5: you'll be laughing at me over and he definitely will 103 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 5: be laughing at me over something else. 104 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:03,239 Speaker 4: You bet your bottom dollar. 105 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 5: So that's my player prediction. I think Michael Wilson is 106 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 5: going to have a pretty good. 107 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 2: Seaton and he does have I think untapped potential for 108 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 2: yards after the catch. He's a big dude. Yeah, yeah, 109 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, Marvin Harrison Junior bolted up. If 110 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 2: he's going to be breaking tackles and get off me, 111 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 2: you know, on the whole press man, Michael Wilson would 112 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 2: be that gay. 113 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 5: We've talked about this on previous podcasts. The quarterback has 114 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 5: to find a way to vibe with these receivers getting 115 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 5: it to them in stride. 116 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 2: All right, Danny, if you had to pick out a player, 117 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 2: where would you go? 118 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 4: I went back and forth offense or defense, and I 119 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 4: landed on defense. And this is this is a hard 120 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 4: exercise because usually we don't like to put numbers on 121 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 4: bomb players and what they have to hit. It's like 122 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 4: this exercise as long as you're not asking me to 123 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 4: hypothetically bet my paycheck on something. 124 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 5: Well, you hated that day. Yeah, I mean that was 125 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 5: like seven years ago. 126 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 4: Here we go, Darren, this is here we go. 127 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 5: Yeah. Sorry. 128 00:05:56,440 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 4: Outside linebacker Josh Sweat double digit sacks. He's done that 129 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 4: once in his career. That was twenty twenty two when 130 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 4: he had eleven coming off a year where he had eight. 131 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 4: He has the ability to do so. He had his 132 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 4: best years statistically when he was playing under Jonathan Gannon 133 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 4: and Nick Rowlis when they were all in Philadelphia and 134 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 4: they are all now reunited in Arizona. Sweat has talked 135 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 4: about part of the reason he had such success under 136 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 4: them was the freedom he had. We've talked about how 137 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,799 Speaker 4: Gannon has used the expression of here's the outline of 138 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 4: the drawing pick. However, what colors you want to use 139 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 4: as long as you're staying within the lines, and Sweat 140 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 4: has talked about even from the three practices he had 141 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 4: here in Arizona Mandatory manning camp, he can already feel 142 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 4: he is going to have a similar sense of freedom 143 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 4: and allowing him to do what he does best. That 144 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 4: is still going to be a position room that relies 145 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 4: on rotation. You're going to see Sweat out there a 146 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 4: lot more than you will see anyone else in that room, 147 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 4: just giving his talent the money that you are giving him. 148 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 4: So when you pair that with the bodies and the 149 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 4: skill set that has been added in front of him 150 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 4: on the defensive line and bolstering that when you have 151 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 4: a healthy Darius Robinson Waltern in the third, Dalvin Tomlinson, 152 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 4: Kalaiis Campbell, the good things we have seen from Dante 153 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 4: Stills An LJ. Collier, I think that the floodgates are 154 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 4: going to open a lot more and a lot more 155 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 4: consistently to get some more sacks. And I think that 156 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 4: Josh Swat is going to lead the charge and have 157 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 4: a double digit sack here. 158 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 2: I like it. I like it. I'm feeling a little 159 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 2: trepidation about my selection because I'm most definitely not taking 160 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 2: out the seven iron and just you know, playing it 161 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 2: safe right down the fairway. More than me, I'm taking 162 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 2: the driver out of the bag right now, Darren. You know, 163 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 2: I got my new carbon fiber you know, high strength 164 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 2: titanium alloy, you know, with the AI club face design. 165 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 2: I got it. Boom. I'm just done. Really, I'm gripping 166 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 2: and ripping right here, and I'm going with Owen Papo, 167 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 2: Owen Papo. 168 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 4: What about him? 169 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 2: The forgotten man? He is the forgotten man, Round five 170 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 2: pick couple of years ago, inside linebacker, former five star recruit, 171 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 2: by the way, the freak max prep all American has 172 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 2: run still the second fastest forty for a linebacker in 173 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 2: Combine history at four three nine, and he did get 174 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 2: a number of starts at the end of last year. True, 175 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 2: I can't say he made any splash plays. He did 176 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 2: have a forced fumble along the way, But what if 177 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 2: they harnessed all that athleticism and maybe, just maybe he's 178 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 2: ready to be out there next to Mac Wilson Senior. 179 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 2: They conspicuous by the lack of a signing a of 180 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 2: Kaiser White, b of a big time, big money free 181 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 2: agent at the position. Yes, they went after a Keem 182 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 2: Davis Gather, Yes, Michael Walker, Yes, Cody Simon. I get it. 183 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 2: They flooded the position with numbers and they're going to 184 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 2: see who emerges. But I wonder if Owen Papo, with 185 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 2: two years in the system, has a leg up on 186 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 2: the other guys between the football IQ and the many 187 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 2: of the playbook and now the athleticism. 188 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 4: So you're not saying so, you're just saying more playing time. Yes, Okay, Yes, 189 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 4: I like that. 190 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 5: That's a that's a fascinating thought because you're right. I 191 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 5: love the fact that you're calling him the forgotten man, 192 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 5: because he really is. 193 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 3: He is. 194 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 5: Every time that subject comes up, nobody talks about. 195 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 4: The only thing that's questionable is not even his play 196 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 4: per se, but what we've talked about in recent episodes 197 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 4: of the Numbers Game, if you have all of these 198 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 4: players on the defensive line, specifically that you want to 199 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 4: maybe go from having six that they did on the 200 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 4: roster last year to seven, you've got to You've got 201 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 4: to take a body out from another position room in 202 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 4: some sense, so that that would be the only thing 203 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 4: kind of I don't know if working against him is 204 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 4: the right phrase to use, but something that he is 205 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 4: going to have to combat. 206 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 5: Well, I would say to that though, if he is 207 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 5: the kind of player that Paul is talking about, then 208 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 5: he's not the one who has to be worried about 209 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 5: the numbers. It's somebody like Michael Walker or or even 210 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 5: a Keem Davis Gaither. 211 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 4: Yeah, fair, Yeah, because Papa has made the roster the 212 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 4: last couple of years. 213 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 2: And you know what, I would draw a potential parallel 214 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 2: to Mac Wilson Senior and a Keem Davis Gather in 215 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 2: their last year with their former team. What happened? They 216 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 2: were special teams standouts and then they got a number 217 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 2: of games at the inside linebacker position and they really 218 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 2: excelled and put up some big numbers. It's the reason 219 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 2: Moniasiford went ahead inside MacWilson Senior. It's the reason he 220 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 2: went after a Keen Davis Gaither. I wonder if Owen 221 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 2: Papo could be in a similar career arc where you 222 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 2: know what, he was on all the special teams last 223 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 2: year and all of a sudden he has a command 224 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 2: of the position, and in year three, some guys take 225 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 2: a little longer than others. And uh so, anyway, you 226 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 2: understood the assignment, Paul, that's a good call. Well, there's 227 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 2: still time for me to screw it up. So let's 228 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 2: get in now the game part of this. We're supposed 229 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 2: to pick out a game on the schedule and identify 230 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:55,479 Speaker 2: what exactly whatever. 231 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 5: You want and in fact, and in fact, I'm hoping 232 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 5: you prep for that and you're not just out. No, no, 233 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 5: I got one in mind, but I will say this, 234 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 5: I have more than one, but it's it's a combo comment. 235 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 5: So hopefully I'm not stepping too much on what you 236 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 5: guys might do. But my my game related prediction is 237 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 5: that this team is going to come out of the 238 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 5: by which has not been a good time. They go 239 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 5: after the bye, they go at Dallas at Seattle home 240 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 5: against the forty nine ers. I'm saying they're going to 241 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 5: go three to zero in those games. 242 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 2: Hello, wow. 243 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 5: I think they always play really well in Dallas, and 244 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 5: I'm not a believer in what Dallas is doing right now. 245 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 5: I think they're better than the Seahawks right and I 246 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 5: think they are anxious to finally get a win against 247 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 5: the Seahawks now that Gino Smith is. 248 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 2: Gone, can't wait to see Kalis in Seattle again. 249 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 5: And I think by then they have some momentum at 250 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 5: home going against the forty nine ers, which I think 251 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 5: the forty nine ers are still going to be a 252 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 5: pretty good team. But I that is that is my thought. 253 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 5: I think I think this time around they're going to 254 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 5: come out of the bye and they're they're going to 255 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 5: do so. Now, again, the bye is way earlier than 256 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 5: it's been yep, so it's more mid season, and they've 257 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,079 Speaker 5: been okay in mid season. I guess you could kind 258 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 5: of say, but like that that is my that's my 259 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 5: no stra domassy thing. 260 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 4: Kech Okay, that's a good one. I took a bit 261 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 4: of a different approach, which is what this is, which 262 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 4: is right after your game San Francisco Week eleven, Week 263 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 4: twelve home against Jacksonville. I don't think Travis Hunter is 264 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 4: going to be a two way player at that point. 265 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 4: I think by that point, I think by that point 266 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 4: rookie year, he's going to have to have settled one 267 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 4: side of the ball. Now, maybe a few snaps, but 268 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,719 Speaker 4: even by I just a few snaps to me, I 269 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 4: think is generous from what we could see. I mean 270 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 4: when I say a few, I mean like, let's say 271 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 4: he's the wide receiver, right, because that's supposedly where he 272 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 4: was going to be starting, right, that was gonna be 273 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,559 Speaker 4: the mains, like no more than five snaps at cornerback, 274 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 4: not going to be a two way player. I think 275 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 4: the difference of college to the pros and the amount 276 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 4: of knowledge he's going to have to be able to 277 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 4: withstand and the nuances of being a receiver and what 278 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 4: you're looking for in the defender, and then vice versa 279 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 4: going up against the best of the best in the 280 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 4: NFL physically his body being able to play that many 281 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 4: snaps in a game and stay healthy. Week twelve, I 282 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 4: think Travis Hunter is one way player. 283 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 5: Okay, So I want you to level up, oh boy 284 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 5: on this prediction. Obviously you don't know for sure, but 285 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 5: you're saying he's going to be on one side of 286 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 5: the ball. So pick a side of the ball he's 287 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 5: going to be on, and then what is the match 288 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 5: up with the cardinal that he's going to have that day? 289 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 5: What's what's your prediction? 290 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 4: Just because they you know it's been said wide receiver. 291 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 4: I'll go with wide reach. 292 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 5: That's what I would do. So, so who do you 293 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 5: think gets that that job? 294 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 2: Now? 295 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 5: Again, the way they play defense, he could see five different. 296 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 4: Cardinalis who would I really like to see Kerrett Williams. 297 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 4: I think it could be will Johnson. If Hunter is lined. 298 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,479 Speaker 5: Up outside, I think that's fascinating. 299 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 2: So Brian Thomas Junior and then Travis Hunter. I mean, 300 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 2: those are two really good young receivers. They are Jacksonville 301 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 2: sort of that sleeper. All right. What's interesting is I'm 302 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 2: sort of falling in line with you guys. If this 303 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 2: was a game of poker, we might have a straight Ooh, 304 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 2: I don't know what that means, and I'll just say 305 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 2: I'll just say good hand. I went into chat GPT 306 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 2: and it says here, Sunday night football games are eligible 307 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 2: for flexing any week from weeks eleven through seventeen. Monday 308 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 2: night football games anytime you can be flexed weeks twelve 309 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 2: through seventeen. Week thirteen, there's your straight. Okay, Cardinals at 310 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 2: Tampa will be flexed into prime time? 311 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 4: Okay, why Tampa? 312 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 2: Kyler Baker Okay, and two NFC division leaders at that point. 313 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 5: Okay, this podcast is coming together quite well. 314 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 2: I have to say, I think that'll be a titanic matchup. 315 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 2: Week thirteen, Cardinals in Tampa asserting dominance in the NFC, 316 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 2: and they just love the subplot of the two Oklahoma 317 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 2: Heisman winning quarterbacks going against each other. 318 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 5: Did you know, I'm sorry, did you say Sunday night 319 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 5: or did you say primetime? 320 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 2: So it could be the one, you know, it could 321 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 2: be there. It could be eligible for Sunday night or 322 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 2: Monday night, could be flexed. 323 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 4: I like that because Week fourteen that's a little too 324 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 4: early if it's a tight race between the Cardinals and 325 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 4: the Rams for any sort of playoff push and securing 326 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 4: something like like winning the division. And then if you 327 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 4: can't flex week eighteen, that's the next time the Cardinals 328 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 4: play the Rams, and in between them Houston that's kind 329 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 4: of a question mark at this point, Atlanta probably not, 330 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 4: and Cincinnati. So I like choosing like this. 331 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 5: I like how that category came together. There were some 332 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 5: very like interesting thoughts on that, Okay, I. 333 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 2: Mean, you know, we already talked about early in the 334 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 2: year anyway, like at New Orleans the season opener, polyprop Bett, 335 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 2: I have five and a half number of sacks of 336 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 2: the Saints quarterback. And then my prediction for Week four 337 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 2: I've already made known. I expect Jalen Milroe will be 338 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 2: the starting quarterback for Seattle coming to Thursday night. What 339 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 2: at the cartage? 340 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 5: Because I miss something? 341 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 2: When did you predict Sam Donald will be broken in 342 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 2: half behind that Jankee O line of Seattle. And there's 343 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 2: a reason Mike McDonald came out during the mini camp 344 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 2: Ota session and was so adamant that the notion of 345 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 2: Sam Darnald not being the starting quarterback was quote crazy. 346 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 2: I think he's trying to snuff out a faction in 347 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 2: his own locker room that looks at the ridiculous athleticism, 348 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 2: the ninety nine athleticism score Jalen Milroe, and they're already 349 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 2: guys in his own locker room wondering, Wait a minute, coach, 350 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 2: are you sure this isn't Russ so Wilson beating out 351 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 2: Matt Flynn? Are you sure Jalen Milroe isn't better equipped 352 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 2: to lead this team than Sam Darnold. 353 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 5: Wow, we'll see I can't say, Polly, we'll see conspiracy theory, yes, 354 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 5: because that did happen once upon its time. 355 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 2: But yeah, Okay. Last category that we need a prediction 356 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 2: for Darren. 357 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 5: Was statistics a status stack. 358 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 2: Right. 359 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 4: I thought we don't do math on this show. 360 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 2: Well yeah we did. 361 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 5: Wait, we're talking about statistics and math could be different things. 362 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 5: I mean, I'm doing basic addition here. 363 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 2: As long as I don't have to calculate it, you won't. 364 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 2: I'll cite it. 365 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 5: I did all the calculation for my own. 366 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 2: It's good. 367 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 5: So last season, as we've talked about, more than we 368 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 5: would have liked, the Cardinals ended up with forty three 369 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 5: explosive pass plays of twenty yards or more. Okay, I 370 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 5: am going to say that the Cardinals will have will 371 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 5: increase that by twenty this year, so they will have 372 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 5: at least sixty three explosive pass plays, so essentially one 373 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 5: more per game on average. My prediction for my statistic 374 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 5: I think, as we said in a previous podcast, Paul, 375 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 5: there's the idea of maybe using two good running backs 376 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 5: in the backfield that could open some things up with matchups. 377 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 5: I've already talked about how I think they might be 378 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 5: able to use Michael Wilson a little bit more. I 379 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 5: do think there's going to be some plays down the 380 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 5: field for Marvin Harrison that are successful that weren't previously, 381 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 5: that will gain some yards, and I just think generally, 382 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:40,439 Speaker 5: I think they're going to figure some things out. With 383 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 5: some of this extra motion and getting guys moving around, 384 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 5: I think they will be in a better place to 385 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 5: do it. And again I'm not going outside the box. 386 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 5: I'm not saying they're going to have eighty explosive pass 387 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 5: plays and double up their number, but one more game 388 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 5: seems doable, especially when they were relatively low in the 389 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 5: first place. So that is what I think you're gonna need. 390 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 5: You're gonna need Kyler Murray to play at a high level, 391 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 5: and they're gonna need to hit what was talked about 392 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,239 Speaker 5: at the end of the of mini camp when they 393 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 5: were talking about the off schedule plays. They have some 394 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 5: options there. And it always, it always makes me kind 395 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 5: of raise an eyebrow because to me, when you have 396 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 5: Kyler Murray and when you're talking about a defense that's 397 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 5: having a run around and cover for more than the 398 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 5: pass rush, that should be a heavy advantage for this team, 399 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,239 Speaker 5: and I don't feel like it has been, and it 400 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 5: really needs to be. 401 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great point. You're right, they need to 402 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 2: leverage that a lot more. Hence why Drew Petsen has 403 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 2: spoken openly about Okay being more effective when Kyler's on 404 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 2: the move out of the pocket, especially when he's flushed 405 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 2: out of the pocket organic. Do you know, I do 406 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 2: know that the Cardinals ended up in the bottom third 407 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 2: of the league last year an explosive pass place. If 408 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 2: they end up with sixty three instead of forty three, 409 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 2: do you know where that puts them in the NFL rankings? 410 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 5: I didn't, I'll be honest. I was curious because I 411 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 5: wasn't looking at a league ranking. I literally went in 412 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 5: and counted up their explosive. 413 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 2: Because with James Connor among the league leaders all year 414 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 2: long in broken tackles, the Cardinals were top five in 415 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 2: explosive run place. So if you can add the pass plays, 416 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:17,439 Speaker 2: look out well. 417 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 5: And again, as I said earlier on Michael Wilson when 418 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 5: he said the receivers have to get better with yards 419 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 5: after the catch, yeah, I mean not everybody's going to 420 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 5: be James Connor, but man follow the league Rumph Kap. 421 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 4: Third down conversions. I'm talking a little offense and a 422 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 4: little defense. Offensively, last season, the Cardinals were good third 423 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 4: downs one hundred and ninety three attempts. They converted eighty 424 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 4: three of those. That's a forty three percent success right, 425 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 4: which was eighth best in the league, despite the fact 426 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 4: that one ninety three was the third fewest attempts in 427 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 4: the league. Where they struggled was when it was ten 428 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 4: or more yards. So when it was ten or more yards, 429 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 4: the Cardinals were five of forty four, twenty three percent 430 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 4: success rate. Those forty four attempts the second fewest. My 431 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 4: prediction is the Cardinals are going to jump into top 432 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 4: five in third down conversion, so move up three spots. 433 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 4: They need to be better in long situations, so they're 434 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 4: not finding themselves there. They have the pieces. Trey McBride 435 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,199 Speaker 4: was top, I mean, top notch on third downs. He 436 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 4: had twenty seven targets, twenty of those receptions, fourteen of 437 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 4: those for first down. And Kyler Murray was the main 438 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 4: was the main player running whenever they ran the bomb 439 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 4: third down twenty two attempts, twelve of those for a 440 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 4: first down. So and Amario de Mercado also was used 441 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 4: in those situations. So that's my prediction. You move from 442 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 4: eighth best third down conversions top five given the pieces 443 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 4: and the consistency there. Do you want to chime in 444 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 4: before I. 445 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 5: Moved to defense, Yes, I just want to jump in. 446 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 5: My first thought when you said all that was they 447 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 5: had so many third down A tempts at ten or 448 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 5: more yards. I mean, that's where they can fix your thing. 449 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 5: If they make sure that they're not you can't be 450 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 5: in third and long not like that. That's tough. And 451 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 5: they still finish top ten. That's crazy to me. 452 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 2: That is remarkable. I did not know that. 453 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 5: I did not know that either. Thanks for bringing the 454 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 5: knowledge there. 455 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 4: Yeh yes. And then on defense, my prediction is the 456 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 4: Cardinals are going to jump from twenty eighth in the 457 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,479 Speaker 4: league on defending third down versions and get into the 458 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 4: top half. Last season, Cardinals allowed their conversion rate allowed 459 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 4: was forty three point eight percent with the twentieth best 460 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,439 Speaker 4: run defense, that's where they were ranked. Now they have 461 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 4: really bolstered the box, like they have really focused on 462 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 4: that defensive line, which is going to strengthen the run 463 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 4: defense and in turn, obviously, third down versions force your 464 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 4: opponents to be in third and long situations and when 465 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,719 Speaker 4: they've been focusing on developing in the second secondary. All 466 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 4: the reasons we've talked about the defense improving this year. 467 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 4: That's all obviously going to come into play. Last year, 468 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 4: the Cardinals really struggled. When it was third and one 469 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 4: they were defending. That was a seventy eight point three 470 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 4: percent conversion rate allowed. Third and nine was fifty percent. 471 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 4: So in between between you know, two and eight yards 472 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,199 Speaker 4: to go it was much much lower than that. But 473 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 4: that is where they really struggle the most. So goals offensively, 474 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 4: you go from eighth to fifth or better third down 475 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 4: conversions and then defense go from twenty eighth to anywhere 476 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:28,640 Speaker 4: around sixteen. 477 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 5: You know what is not a recipe for winning Having 478 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 5: an offense that's in third and ten or longer a 479 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 5: lot of the time, and having a defense that gives 480 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 5: up first downs on third and nine or longer. Jeez them. 481 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, the completion percentage was among the worst in 482 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 2: the league in terms of allowed by the defense. And 483 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 2: to Danny's point, if you could affect the quarterback a 484 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 2: lot better, get to the quarterback, hit harass and speed 485 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 2: up the quarterback, guess what the completion percentage is going 486 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 2: to plummet. 487 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 5: I will say, I like, I feel like what we're 488 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 5: doing here is like we're not I'm doing crazy things. 489 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 5: We're we're making realistic predictions that these things can happen. 490 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,360 Speaker 4: And special thanks to craigorylu and Mike Hellman Media Relations 491 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 4: for helping me with the. 492 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 2: Numbers with Darren, that is, until I came along with us. 493 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 5: Okay, what's your stat I've. 494 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 2: Said it in the past that you know, my attempt 495 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 2: to get come for the arm, stay for the legs 496 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 2: to you know, get traction was was akin to fetch 497 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,640 Speaker 2: and mean girls, Uh, never really got. 498 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 5: Anything trying to make fetch happen. 499 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 2: Thank you. But I'm going to come back to it 500 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 2: because I'm resilient if nothing else, if not stupid, I'm 501 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 2: coming back to because it's already happened. And I may 502 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 2: have mentioned this about a month earlier, but I'm dead 503 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 2: said on Kyler running the ball more and in twenty twenty, 504 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 2: a Pro Bowl season, he ran it a career high 505 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty three times for a career high 506 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 2: eight hundred nineteen rushing yards. But here's the best part. 507 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 2: Wait for it, eleven rushing touchdowns, which I totally forgot 508 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 2: about eleven rushing touchdowns, and I mean, you talk about 509 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 2: keeping a defense, honest. 510 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 5: Those play action keepers would just. 511 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 2: So you can't tell me that isn't what defensive coordinators 512 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:14,199 Speaker 2: really fear is the Cardinals flood the end zone with 513 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,199 Speaker 2: weapons and then Kyler just runs for the pylon and 514 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 2: makes your defense look stupid. 515 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 5: I will say before you get to your stat Paul, 516 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 5: that I think one of the reasons James Connor ended 517 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 5: up with eighteen touchdowns in twenty twenty one was because 518 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 5: after twenty twenty, all the defenses gave a crap about 519 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 5: is watching when Kyler was going and so when we 520 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 5: just did a dive play to Connor, it was always 521 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 5: going to be open. 522 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 2: Good point and you know what, and we do see 523 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,479 Speaker 2: this on third down as well, that you know teams 524 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 2: will definitely put a spy on number one. So look, 525 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 2: it may not be eleven rushing touchdowns. You're not going 526 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 2: to get a fifty yard touchdown run like you did 527 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,120 Speaker 2: against the forty nine ers in Santa Clara a year 528 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,880 Speaker 2: ago like that very often. But I am looking for 529 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 2: him to get near, if not eclipse, his career high 530 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 2: in rushing yards. Just based on the fact that he's 531 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 2: been so open and talking about it. It sounds like 532 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 2: to me complete speculation. He sat around and watch the 533 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 2: AFC playoffs and said, wait a minute, look what Lamar 534 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 2: Jackson's doing. Look what Josh Allen is doing with little legs. 535 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 2: I can do that. Why aren't I doing more of that? 536 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 5: What was his total in twenty twenty for yards? 537 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 2: It was eight nineteen eight nineteen, that's what. Now he 538 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 2: did set a career HIH last year in yards per 539 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 2: carry seven point three yards per carry, first time he's 540 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 2: been over seven yards of carry. So now you take 541 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 2: the fact he's still in his prime at age twenty eight, 542 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 2: still has the athleticism, but he has the knowledge of 543 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 2: six NFL seasons and the decision making to know when 544 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 2: and how and where to run the ball. So you 545 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 2: would think he's even more equipped than ever to be 546 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 2: able to be successful in running the ball. Wow. 547 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 5: The only thing that makes always makes me pause with 548 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 5: Kyler is his need and desire to get down if 549 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 5: they're a runner, because, again, when you're talking about game 550 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 5: large amounts of yards rushing in a season, there's gotta 551 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 5: be some willingness to get the extra two, three, four 552 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 5: yards when there's guys coming. 553 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 2: And by the way, I've heard this said that a 554 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,679 Speaker 2: lot of teams these days in the NFL, are teaching 555 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 2: these quarterbacks to slide head first, to go head like 556 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 2: when you got to get down, don't slide feet first, 557 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 2: baseball style, get down, throw your body down head first, 558 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 2: because when you're sliding, you're just leaving your upper torso 559 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 2: exposed to getting clean. 560 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 4: That's something this coaching staff changed with Murray. That and 561 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 4: the footwork was leading foot when he was in shotgun, 562 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 4: but also how he was sliding. 563 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,919 Speaker 2: Ye. So, although I'll be honest with you in hindsight, 564 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 2: while Danny was talking, I said, you know the stat 565 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 2: I should have picked interceptions by the Cardinals defense. 566 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 4: Wait a second. While Danny was talking. 567 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 2: Yes, I'm like, you're talking about the passage. 568 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 4: It was one in one ear out the other. We're 569 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 4: even paying attention. 570 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 2: I was, you were making such a good point about 571 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 2: the pass rush. I'm thinking, you know what one leads 572 00:27:59,440 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 2: to the other. 573 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 5: I did think about doing interceptions too, because of what 574 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 5: we're talking about with the pass rush. 575 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 2: But they could they could ramp up the interception title 576 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 2: this year by it a lot. 577 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 5: I'm feeling fairly confident. I will say this not directly 578 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 5: in opposition, but I feel fairly confident that the combo 579 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 5: of Michael Wilson eight hundred receiving yards and Kyler Murray 580 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,919 Speaker 5: eight hundred and twenty rushing yards is not possible, like 581 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 5: it would be one or the other if if either happened, 582 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 5: that is my guess. 583 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 2: And Marvin Harrison one thousand yards receiving and. 584 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 5: Marvin Harrison's gonna have nineteen hundred and seventy two about 585 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 5: McBride one thousand. 586 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 4: Tenant James Connor having three straight thousand yard rushing seasons well. 587 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 2: Of course, and there's two RB one so then Trey 588 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 2: Benson's gonna run for one thousands, so easy. Yeah, it's 589 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:49,719 Speaker 2: pretty amazing. 590 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 5: That did get brought up in a press conference at 591 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 5: the end of the offseason. I did where we're talking 592 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 5: when somebody was bringing up one of the reporters was 593 00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 5: bringing up all the unbelievable satistics that are going to 594 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 5: come up well with. 595 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 2: The revamped defense, They're going to win the time of 596 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 2: possession game forty to twenty every single game. And you know, 597 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 2: I mean the offense is the opposing offense is go 598 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 2: three and out every possession, So the Cardinals are going 599 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 2: to own the ball. 600 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 5: I will say about a month ago I was on 601 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 5: a podcast with Danny's favorite Hawk blogger. On that blogger said, no, 602 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 5: like he covers the Seahawks, covers the Seahawks, and he 603 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 5: said a couple of things to our group when we 604 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 5: were at the Comboy. 605 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 4: Oh. I was like, who are we talking about? I 606 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 4: was I was the least bothered at that. 607 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 5: But his last his last question to me was Okay. 608 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 5: He goes, we get to the end of the season 609 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 5: and we're going into the playoffs or like the last 610 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 5: whatever whatever he was saying. I can't remember if it 611 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 5: was the last time they played the Seahawks, the last 612 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 5: game of the year, whatever it was. But he goes, 613 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 5: the Cardinals are going into the playoffs with thirteen wins. 614 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 5: What what things had to happen? And I'm like, I'm 615 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 5: just thinking to myself, Okay, if this team thirteen games, 616 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 5: a lot of good things have happened. I don't know 617 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 5: if all the things we just predicted are gonna happen. 618 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: Well why not? 619 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 5: Because I know this. If if the Cardinals win thirteen 620 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,719 Speaker 5: games and we all we go over for all these predictions, 621 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 5: that's I'm sure everybody would take. 622 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 2: That gladly own that. Yeah. But to answer that question, 623 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 2: thirteen wins means they swept the Seahawks. That's what they mean, Paul. 624 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 4: This episode is our last one before training camp, and 625 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 4: I am surprised, and I'll be honest a bit disappointed 626 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 4: that we have gone an entire offseason without hearing about 627 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 4: your break fifteen breakout players of training camp. 628 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, he'll hit those with a first training camp early 629 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 5: enough because we have those five days without pads, so 630 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 5: he still has time to break that out. 631 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 2: Wait a minute, who DoD I have? Last year? I 632 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 2: had Xavier Weaver, that's a ding, and I had one 633 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 2: on dal. 634 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 4: You had legit ten players and you promised that like 635 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 4: seven of them were gonna like make the team, and 636 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 4: they were like all draft picks. 637 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 2: I made the mistake of thinking out loud and coming 638 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 2: to my final two. And maybe why I've been so 639 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 2: silent to date is because I've been taking a task 640 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 2: and or the woodshed for thinking outlined and trying trying 641 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 2: to mull through the potential candidates. 642 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 4: I'm excited to hear what your final list. 643 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 5: Remember, Danny, in this department, we can throw all the 644 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 5: ideas against the wall. No idea is a bad idea. 645 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 2: I will say this and you guys haven't realized this yet. 646 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 2: But I was a little ahead of my time a 647 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 2: little bit with the marketing mantra last year, a twenty 648 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 2: twenty three dip for a twenty twenty four and uh, 649 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 2: you know, I was just a yearly. I was a yearly. 650 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 2: I was a little premature on that. So maybe I'm 651 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 2: a little tentative. 652 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 4: A twenty twenty three dip for a twenty twenty five rip, or. 653 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 2: Is it I haven't settled on that head either. 654 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 4: I'm sorry you're thinking out loud again. I'm sorry. 655 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 2: You know it's uh, he's got a week before Trump 656 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 2: can give us right time. You know, there's a round 657 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 2: table Calvisy consulting on and get my top minds around this, 658 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 2: and then we'll come up and well we'll have some 659 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,080 Speaker 2: answers next time. We can bene on Cardinals Underground and 660 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 2: presented by Pacific Office Automation