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Speaker 1: So what did we learn? Burgang? What can we take

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Speaker 1: away from nearly two months of work here in the

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Speaker 1: off season? Darren Urban joins me to discuss training camp

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Speaker 1: will be here before you know it. Before then, before

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Speaker 1: we report the State Farm Stadium, we go over our

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Speaker 1: top takeaways from the off season. It's Cardinals Cover two,

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Speaker 1: episode eight ninety three, and it starts now. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two. Food to Baker, what Heart? What rent?

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Speaker 1: He's at the ten half of five. He's it again,

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Speaker 1: so more hurry magic.

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Speaker 2: Whow here's Craig Greielo.

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Speaker 1: So summer vacation begins soon for one of the two

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Speaker 1: of us, and it's not me. So that leaves you, Darren?

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Speaker 3: You went to Europe ready again?

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Speaker 1: We just we went over this. It was meary oas

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Speaker 1: I was here for mandatory mini camp. Although is it

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Speaker 1: really mandatory mini? Shouldn't we just call it mini camp?

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Speaker 1: Because isn't it assume that it's mandatory?

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Speaker 4: It's not The other funny thing is it's usually called

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Speaker 4: mandatory veterans Mini camp, and I like, all the rookies

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Speaker 1: So yes, Mini Camp is now over, and by the

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Speaker 4: I don't think I'm talking out of school by saying

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well that's what the head coach said.

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Speaker 3: So that's fine, so we're I can confirm.

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Speaker 1: You can confirm that. Okay, that is report day at

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Speaker 4: Three days correct yes, I think that's the first time. Wow,

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Speaker 3: This is what we got on.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't though the time spent the same, just divided

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean the thing that I think ultimately struck me.

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Speaker 4: So then what are you bringing somebody else in for?

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Speaker 3: Don't let me monologue like that. Craig cut me off.

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Speaker 1: You were You're on a roll, and I didn't want

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Speaker 4: They've made very clear every time they talk about this

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Speaker 3: Now, I love that. By the way, well that's just

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Speaker 4: And the reality is is, if you are getting good

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid plays his starters. Now, what works for one

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Speaker 3: Well, you can get hurt when that's your first problem.

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Speaker 1: I believe that's what it's kind of what it's for, Darren.

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Speaker 1: If you ever had a chance to listen with you

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Speaker 4: I'm never sure to do anything. You could just telling

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Speaker 1: I would I want to see more players play in

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Speaker 4: I'm I don't disagree with you. The the fine line

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Speaker 4: is different now. I don't I have Look, I don't

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Speaker 3: I I'm with you. I think JG cares about what

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Speaker 1: We convince him. And again, I'm not talking about a

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Speaker 3: These guys you better hit on them.

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Speaker 1: where he was drafted in the third round, his size,

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Speaker 1: you don't find a lot of six to one sixty

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Speaker 1: two cornerbacks. But we didn't see him last season outside

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Speaker 1: of what there were maybe three or four practices. Didn't

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Speaker 1: even see him on game day.

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Speaker 3: No, No, No, he because a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 4: So I think he ended up getting hurt in the

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Speaker 4: Denver preseason game.

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Speaker 1: No, I was talking regular season. Oh well, we didn't

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Speaker 1: see him at all in the regular season.

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Speaker 3: No, we didn't see him a on the r and

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Speaker 3: it was towards.

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Speaker 1: The latter half of the regular season. Was practice wise,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it just never materialized. But you've got and again,

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Speaker 1: I don't include Garrett Williams in this conversation just because

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Speaker 1: I know he's going to be on the field, and

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Speaker 1: it's just he's one of your three corner or even

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Speaker 1: one of your two cornerbacks, depending on if you play

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Speaker 1: him more as an outside guy. He's going to be

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Speaker 1: on the football, correct, and now it's just all right,

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Speaker 1: You've got Star, You've got Max, You've got Will and

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Speaker 1: Elijah Jones. Don't forget about Denzel Burke, another draft pick.

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Speaker 1: And I think those one on one matchups in training

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Speaker 1: camp covering a wide receiver or running back a tight end,

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Speaker 1: I think you'll learn more about that room. And then obviously,

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Speaker 1: again going back to the conversation about preseason, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to play those guys. Otherwise you're rolling the dice

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Speaker 1: week one just to see, Okay, can they cover anyone?

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Speaker 3: No, And again there are no sure things.

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Speaker 4: I mean, even if you went out and signed a veteran,

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Speaker 4: you don't know if the guy is gonna stay healthy,

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Speaker 4: or if he's got anything left in the tank or

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Speaker 4: any of that stuff. So I just I feel like

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Speaker 4: you've seen enough from the guys that you've already had

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Speaker 4: here that makes you encouraged. And then again you draft

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Speaker 4: a couple of guys like Will Johnson. I mean, the

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Speaker 4: guy better be good. You took him in the second round.

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Speaker 1: By the way, for those that follow the Arizona Cardinals

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Speaker 1: on social media trying to get news, Will Johnson was

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Speaker 1: a participant all three days of mini camp. He might

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Speaker 1: have been limited. He was limited A participants all three days. Now,

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Speaker 1: the news with Will Johnson is the fact that he's

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Speaker 1: unsigned and the only draft pick that has yet to

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Speaker 1: put pen to paper. But I did see this was interesting.

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Speaker 1: I believe this was Pro Football Talk there are I

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Speaker 1: knew this before.

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Speaker 3: Pro Football tal Okay, so just don't credit.

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Speaker 1: Everybody, all right, Well, Darren Urman had I mean I

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Speaker 1: knew this.

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Speaker 3: And I didn't.

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Speaker 4: The point being is like Pro Football Talk made it

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Speaker 4: an article about but it was clear as soon as

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Speaker 4: I think it was Higgins, the receiver from Houston. He

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Speaker 4: was the first second round pick to sign, and I

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Speaker 4: think he was second, and the Schlushinger kid, whoever the

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Speaker 4: linebacker was, who went for whatever it was. Bottom line

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Speaker 4: is the first two picks of the second round got

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Speaker 4: full of guaranteed contracts. That's a first. So now every

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Speaker 4: second round pick is looking for guaranteed money and so

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Speaker 4: it's slowed down tremendously the second Those are the only

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Speaker 4: two second round picks that are signed.

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Speaker 3: So it could be a while.

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Speaker 4: Now do I am I fearful that Will Johnson isn't

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Speaker 4: going to be signed before training camp?

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Speaker 3: I am not.

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Speaker 1: There are forty unsigned players and overall in the draft

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Speaker 1: cloud and the the yeah in the overall thirty of

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Speaker 1: which are in the second round. To your point, can

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Speaker 1: you push the envelope if you're an agent going all right, well,

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Speaker 1: the first two did it, So now all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: you're that third pick in the second round. You want

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Speaker 1: a four year guaranteed deal. I do believe it's gonna

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Speaker 1: get done. But the difference between offseason and training camp,

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Speaker 1: if you're not signed, you're not on the football field.

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Speaker 4: Correct, And look, Will Johnson was what the sixteenth, fifteenth

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Speaker 4: pick of the second round. There's gonna be a lot

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Speaker 4: of waiting for him because because the the domino right

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Speaker 4: now is whoever the third pick of the second round

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Speaker 4: is right now, is he gonna get his full of

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Speaker 4: guaranteed because everybody's gonna wait for what's around them. They're

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Speaker 4: they're not gonna want to go ahead and mess with

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Speaker 4: somebody else. They Will Johnson doesn't want to sign and

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Speaker 4: then have pick sixteen of the second round get full

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Speaker 4: of guaranteed money, so which I don't think would happen,

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Speaker 4: because then if if Will Johnson signed with no guaranteed money,

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Speaker 4: then the team behind him is gonna hold the line

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Speaker 4: and the team and the pick isn't gonna be able

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Speaker 4: to It's just again, it's we'll see where we are.

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Speaker 4: Somebody's gonna give in at some point in the second round.

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Speaker 4: Somebody's not gonna get a guaranteed pick, and then everybody

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Speaker 4: after that or guaranteed money, and somebody after everybody after

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Speaker 4: them is gonna have to deal with it.

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Speaker 1: But it's gonna be it's not sooner rather than later.

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Speaker 1: You based off of base, you know, I'm gonna make

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Speaker 1: it lots empty. So there's people are scattering and it's

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Speaker 1: not top of mind to get a deal.

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying there can't be a couple of phone calls,

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Speaker 4: but there's nothing's gonna happen before we get to before

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Speaker 4: it's it's at least gonna be.

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Speaker 3: Uh. We're gonna get to like a week before training

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Speaker 3: camp and.

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Speaker 4: Everybody needs to just say, oh my god, Will John's

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Speaker 4: it's July fourth, Will Johnson is a signed. No, he's not,

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Speaker 4: and he's probably not gonna be signed until another couple

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Speaker 4: of weeks because nobody's doing anything because people need time off.

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Speaker 1: And really, with the Arizona Cardinals, nothing can be done

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Speaker 1: while you're gone, correct me, Yes, you.

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Speaker 3: Oh, you'd be surprised with how much could be done

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Speaker 3: if I'm not around.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's not gonna be a But.

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Speaker 4: There's a reason, there's a reason why I go places

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Speaker 4: when I do, because I know that's when everybody else,

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Speaker 4: all the football people are leaving.

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Speaker 1: It's yeah, that's this parking lot out here is pretty

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Speaker 1: darn empty. Have not walked around the building to see

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Speaker 1: how many doors are closed and shut whatever. The rookies

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Speaker 1: are still here getting what for an only only for

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Speaker 1: a couple of days, but at least it's a couple

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Speaker 1: of days to where they can feel like they own

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Speaker 1: the place, because once they were assimilated with the rest

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Speaker 1: of the veterans, it's like all of a sudden, their

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Speaker 1: reps and all of a sudden and they just got

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Speaker 1: downgraded a little bit as far as their their responsibilities

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Speaker 1: and their priority orders within this building because for a

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Speaker 1: while there they were the only players here required outside

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Speaker 1: of guys that were working out on their own and rehabbing.

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Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, it's it's it's it's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: little quiet between now that we still don't know training

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Speaker 1: camp schedule, not officially, no open to the public.

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Speaker 4: As far as training, that'll that'll come, that'll be out

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Speaker 4: before the energy, so that's sooner.

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Speaker 3: Rather than later, I would yes.

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Speaker 1: Okay, anything out on in your mind, Darren, besides vacation time.

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Speaker 3: Away getting hungry?

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Speaker 1: Craig, really do not eat breakfast.

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Speaker 3: I do eat breakfast.

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Speaker 1: Okay, shouldn't that tide you over a little bit?

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Speaker 3: No, I it's it's time for lunch.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, all right, boss has spoken time to go

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Speaker 1: to lunch fist. Okay, well some people don't. Some people

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Speaker 1: skip meals.

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Speaker 3: That's stupid.

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Speaker 1: Now you're calling people that listen to the show stupid.

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Speaker 1: Do you eat breakfast sometimes?

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Speaker 3: No, then you're being stupid. Sometimes they wake up?

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Speaker 1: Do you have to eat because of time? Like my

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Speaker 1: father it was six am, noon, six pm based off

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Speaker 1: of time of day.

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Speaker 4: And when I come home, I get breakfast before I

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Speaker 4: go to work. But like, why aren't you eating breakfast?

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Speaker 1: Not hungry?

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Speaker 3: But then it's just not good for you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well I appreciate that. Maybe I should start listening

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Speaker 1: to you more more than I do already. All right,

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Speaker 1: Darren says, we gotta go get lunch. Let's uh get

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Speaker 1: your you packed ready to go on vacation. No, okay,

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Speaker 1: we used to be texting and.

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Speaker 3: I saw a couple of days of work with a

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Speaker 3: lot of things to.

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Speaker 1: Get taken your computer with you, I will not wow. Okay,

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Speaker 1: well Johnson will definitely be signed then, while tearing his

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Speaker 1: way without a computer. Mark that down here on June.

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Speaker 1: What is today? June sixteenth? Yeah, predicting will Johnson gets

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Speaker 1: signed while Darren is on vacation? Just out of spite

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Speaker 1: on that note, we'll put all in on this edition

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Speaker 1: of Cardinals Cover two presented by Hyundai, proud partner of

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to our executive

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Speaker 1: producer Jim Mamahandro for associate producer. COULDI Fincher for Darren Nerman,

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Speaker 1: I'm Praigrielou. We'll talk to you next time here on

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two,