Speaker 1: What's up everyone.
Speaker 2: I'm Tori Deal and I'm Anissa Ferreira and this is
Speaker 2: MTV's official challenge podcast.
Speaker 1: And Anissa, today you were on the edge of the
Speaker 1: glory hole.
Speaker 2: You know what, I will stay on this side of
Speaker 2: the gloryhole. There was nothing glorious about this challenge. I
Speaker 2: will say that, how did you feel about it? I
Speaker 2: mean it's a familiar spot for you.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I mean I have a few like first thoughts
Speaker 1: that come to my head.
Speaker 3: One, I don't think I've ever seen this many teams quit,
Speaker 3: and it pissed me off.
Speaker 1: Because I get it.
Speaker 3: But also it's like if one team quits, it's like, okay,
Speaker 3: you're the team that quit. But to have so many
Speaker 3: teams quit, I'm like, I understand the weather was a
Speaker 3: factor though, And I also was on top of that building.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 3: I know how tall it is and scary it is
Speaker 3: up there, but there was just so many people who
Speaker 3: had breakdowns. I guess, like, what was it like being
Speaker 3: there in person? Tell me a little bit more about
Speaker 3: the weather. I feel like that must have had a
Speaker 3: major play us.
Speaker 2: There was a touch of wind, but it didn't help that, Like,
Speaker 2: we didn't go first, so seeing other people freak out
Speaker 2: and quit wasn't helpful. It was like there were only
Speaker 2: three peat three teams did this. Yeah, shout out to
Speaker 2: Davon though she said, may the Lord give me wings
Speaker 2: and and and just put me over just a little
Speaker 2: bit to get this flag. But when she said, oh
Speaker 2: that's enough, you know, she knew her boundaries and her limits,
Speaker 2: and it's cool to see that Shane and her aren't
Speaker 2: really like at each other's throat yet.
Speaker 3: I actually was like, we got to give Davon her
Speaker 3: credit for sure. I'm glad that you brought that up,
Speaker 3: because I was not expecting her to do it. I mean,
Speaker 3: I also don't remember if she has a fear of
Speaker 3: fights or not, but the way she talks about it,
Speaker 3: the way she talked about it, I thought maybe she might.
Speaker 1: Not do it, you know.
Speaker 3: So yeah, she did it, which is amazing, like good,
Speaker 3: good for her, great representation of the podcast.
Speaker 1: Unlike Anissa, I'm just kidding, ass.
Speaker 2: I also googled heights last night, and it is a
Speaker 2: rational fear that most people have as a way to
Speaker 2: protect your bodies. And I mean I googled it for
Speaker 2: a good thirty seven thirty to forty minutes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair, and it is terrifying, and it looked
Speaker 3: very scary.
Speaker 1: I was not shocked at Fessi and Amber one.
Speaker 2: It was like they were made for that, you know what.
Speaker 3: I mean, what a good way for them to start
Speaker 3: off their season. I mean, everyone knows that they're going
Speaker 3: to be a great team. Festi is incredible at daily challenges, incredible.
Speaker 3: He's he wins them often, like he's just an athletic guy.
Speaker 1: Every time I want a season with him, he's winning them.
Speaker 1: He's never done a season and not won a daily.
Speaker 2: Right, No, I totally get it. Yeah, he definitely does.
Speaker 1: And sometimes multiple in a season.
Speaker 3: At Amber is a champ, Like I think she is
Speaker 3: somebody who because she won on her rookie season, she
Speaker 3: kind of then had to like perform even more so
Speaker 3: we had more information to process about Amber's competitive abilities.
Speaker 2: She's great.
Speaker 1: She's great, you know.
Speaker 3: So I am not surprised that that they won this
Speaker 3: first one. I think watching the house drama though unfold.
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's so messy.
Speaker 1: It's messy, dude. And Frank is giving me life right now.
Speaker 2: Like, I mean, Frank is a gameer. He said, I
Speaker 2: came to play Yeah. You need the people that are
Speaker 2: going to fight. You need the people that are gonna
Speaker 2: stir some shit up. And then you need Frank just
Speaker 2: to be messy and smart and just in it.
Speaker 1: SESSI and messy.
Speaker 2: I fully committed. Yeah, committed to the bit and I
Speaker 2: love it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too, Me too.
Speaker 2: I mean, there are a lot of cute one liners
Speaker 2: in this a couple of zingers. I'm just so mad
Speaker 2: because they didn't show Beth's just snap off on Nicole.
Speaker 1: Wait when did that happen.
Speaker 2: During during nominations?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: I think that all started with the genes.
Speaker 1: Though, Oh tell me about the gens.
Speaker 2: This girl's got the thirty year old jeans. The only
Speaker 2: thing that thirty is alwa is my mortgage.
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 2: She had true religions from when we did the dual one,
Speaker 2: but Nicole had no. Veronica's like, so Nicole's giving bad
Speaker 2: fashion advice.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's so funny. I can't.
Speaker 3: What is confusing to me is the relationship dynamic between
Speaker 3: Beth and Johnny, because they do get voted in this episode,
Speaker 3: and it does seem like Beth wants to be friends
Speaker 3: with Johnny.
Speaker 1: There was that moment on the Heights Challenge where Johnny
Speaker 1: gave her a hug.
Speaker 2: And for a second I was like, oh, that's really sweet.
Speaker 1: It seemed like a really genuine hug. And maybe it
Speaker 1: was a genuine hug in that moment because you're on
Speaker 1: top of a building, it's scary.
Speaker 2: But Beth wouldn't even have come out of that fucking building,
Speaker 2: let alone get up on there. That was like a
Speaker 2: big thing for her. And I think that there's an
Speaker 2: understanding piece of Johnny who's like, there's probably something she's
Speaker 2: afraid of that she's like absolutely not. Yeah, so I
Speaker 2: think that there was like that caring, you know, compassionate moment,
Speaker 2: but she still doesn't like her. I mean, their interviews
Speaker 2: couldn't be more different. And it's my favorite fucking thing,
Speaker 2: the unfriend for I.
Speaker 1: Can't Yeah, the unfriending the button.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's so good. We'll be She was like,
Speaker 2: I don't ever want to see her again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they edited that good, very entertaining. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was funny to watch.
Speaker 3: I'm wondering though, like in person, because it looked like
Speaker 3: they were really competing well in the elimination I mean
Speaker 3: number one.
Speaker 1: Before we even get there, did you know FEESSI and
Speaker 1: Amber we're gonna throw them in.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, or maybe I did, or maybe I did.
Speaker 1: Oh mysterious and confusing.
Speaker 2: I don't think I have an idea that John and
Speaker 2: Beth were going in, But it's like it just gets hard.
Speaker 2: It's like I almost don't want to know if my
Speaker 2: friends are going in because I don't want to have
Speaker 2: to be burdened with that information. Mm hmm, because like
Speaker 2: I also don't want to fuck over the people that
Speaker 2: are in charge, you know what I mean? Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it gets it's such a sticky area. But I clearly,
Speaker 2: by my expression, did not know.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's true.
Speaker 2: You know, I can't fake one of those. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: was a complete that was so genuine, but it was
Speaker 2: I was just like, why them, Like if your goal, yes,
Speaker 2: who you send in? You want to go home? But like,
Speaker 2: what do you want to put in somebody who threatens you?
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess, Like what FESSI said. I think
Speaker 1: Feessi's game.
Speaker 3: Is starting to become very transparent now that we've seen
Speaker 3: him play a few times, and that's he's a really
Speaker 3: good player. He'll stick with the strong players in the
Speaker 3: beginning to build alliances because he'll know, he knows that
Speaker 3: they'll owe him one if it's early in the game,
Speaker 3: and then.
Speaker 2: Zipic owe me.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he definitely has that like political edge
Speaker 3: to him. He is from Big Brother, and like he
Speaker 3: definitely thinks and strategizes the game. And I think he
Speaker 3: knows that this has suited him well because he knows
Speaker 3: he performs well, so people typically will not target him,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: But we'll see how that goes.
Speaker 2: We'll see how it goes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do want to get into John Ay and
Speaker 1: Beth competing together. Like, tell me a little bit about
Speaker 1: what you thought what it was like to watch them
Speaker 1: in the elimination, Like were they as good as it looked?
Speaker 2: I mean, they did really well and it was close.
Speaker 2: You know. I know that Steve is you know, can
Speaker 2: probably he's done I think martial arts and things like.
Speaker 2: I definitely think he's a flexible dude who wears like
Speaker 2: eighteen raps and a headband and and a wristband and
Speaker 2: an anklet and a knee patch and a stuff. The
Speaker 2: guy gets suited up like an I knew that he
Speaker 2: would do well. I wasn't sure about Adam in that,
Speaker 2: and I thought women would do well with like being
Speaker 2: more flexible, agile and like tinier bodies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I thought.
Speaker 2: I just I don't know. I just didn't see I
Speaker 2: get like FESSEI, I guess had some type of strategy
Speaker 2: to keep certain players happy. But there were people he
Speaker 2: had zero connection with that I don't even I didn't
Speaker 2: even think he even had a conversation with that. He
Speaker 2: could have put in Amber and him both.
Speaker 1: Could have put in Yeah, it was interesting.
Speaker 2: But here's the other thing. Hold on, I like Bulb,
Speaker 2: Amber and FESSI don't have a star. Why wouldn't you
Speaker 2: save certain people for yourself. Yeah, that's another thing you
Speaker 2: need to think of. Let me fucking chalk myself up
Speaker 2: on that one. Sorry, I had to give myself a point.
Speaker 2: That's one thing. And the other part was FESSI and
Speaker 2: Amber are good. The chances of them winning other challenges
Speaker 2: are high. So if you know you're going to be
Speaker 2: in that position. Again, it's also like, don't say the
Speaker 2: hardest players for the end for you to go into
Speaker 2: elimination to get your star. Yeah, so you gotta be
Speaker 2: really really smart about this. Well, I also think that,
Speaker 2: but it's early.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's early.
Speaker 3: And when they stood up there and they looked at
Speaker 3: the elimination. They saw it was a tube. They must
Speaker 3: have figured we're going in the tube. Fessi is the
Speaker 3: size of the tube.
Speaker 2: He probably nickname is tube Like.
Speaker 3: It's definitely going to be interesting to see what happens.
Speaker 3: But I could understand why Fessi and Amber didn't go
Speaker 3: in this one.
Speaker 1: They didn't have to.
Speaker 3: This elimination did not suit anybody of size.
Speaker 2: So if Katie and Katie were a team yep, or
Speaker 2: Melissa Melissa were a team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, easy bye.
Speaker 2: Or Melissa and Katie, yeah, y it definitely suited they
Speaker 2: live it. They could have a tiny home. They could
Speaker 2: have made that into a tiny home.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was a house.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was on Zillow. It was a tiny home
Speaker 2: with poles in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. It's just listen. I think that I know
Speaker 2: that this season is only going to get spicier and spicier.
Speaker 2: But I'd like to ask you, miss Tory deal, who
Speaker 2: was your all star of the episode.
Speaker 3: The all star of the episode was the producer who
Speaker 3: had the shot of Veronica's face when everyone was in deliberation,
Speaker 3: And Nicole said, who told.
Speaker 1: Adam and Steve that Veronica's face was so good.
Speaker 3: She's like, oh my god, I gotta give it to
Speaker 3: Veronica because what a political move. She's looking out for
Speaker 3: her friends, she's keeping her hands clean.
Speaker 1: The Blaine's getting put on someone else.
Speaker 2: Like, I'm so confused. Is I don't even know if
Speaker 2: Veronica did tell them because that's how good she is.
Speaker 1: And I just watched the episode.
Speaker 2: It's like, see how good she is.
Speaker 1: And so who stood out to you the most of
Speaker 1: this episode?
Speaker 2: I mean, I love Frank and it's not because I
Speaker 2: love him, and it's not because he's a dear friend
Speaker 2: of mine, and it's not because we talk outside of
Speaker 2: the show and we've been friends for years. It's because
Speaker 2: I have missed him and this thing that he is
Speaker 2: doing because we call it messy because you know, because
Speaker 2: it's because it's messy, but it's so so like he
Speaker 2: thinks about things, so it's like smart messy and you know,
Speaker 2: besides just being like super athletic to have the brain
Speaker 2: to go with it. That just thank you, And I
Speaker 2: cannot wait for more interviews with him because he is
Speaker 2: beautiful too.
Speaker 3: I one hundred percent agree. And what about the challenger
Speaker 3: that confused you?
Speaker 1: The most this episode.
Speaker 2: I mean, I gotta say Beth, because I don't know
Speaker 2: how she didn't know. Maybe maybe Johnny. Just I was
Speaker 2: just so confused, Like how do they not know that
Speaker 2: each other is they're looking at each other differently. I
Speaker 2: was just confused.
Speaker 4: It seemed like.
Speaker 1: Beth really wanted there to be a resolve.
Speaker 3: It seemed like a genuine I want there to be
Speaker 3: a resolve, and I think she wanted to right her wrongs.
Speaker 3: It felt like that, and she was kind of looking
Speaker 3: for john A to be like okay, like let's move
Speaker 3: past it.
Speaker 1: But john A, I think is over it and not interested.
Speaker 2: Well, Beth and Johnny were very emotional when they got
Speaker 2: back to the house. Oh they told me she loved me. Wow,
Speaker 2: heard it here. First, going home to pack your stuff
Speaker 2: is one of the most old school things they could
Speaker 2: have ever brought back.
Speaker 1: That's a fact. That was cool.
Speaker 2: But it was only fifteen minutes, like get all your shit. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but it normally was the whole night, like you got
Speaker 2: to party whenever you were packed, you had drinks, you
Speaker 2: were dressed, like get showered.
Speaker 1: Dude, that's fun. Why don't they bring that back?
Speaker 2: This's messy too, because the people that voted you and
Speaker 2: could easily just hide from you or not talk to you,
Speaker 2: or you could come back and stir up some shit
Speaker 2: like such and such said this about you, and this
Speaker 2: person said that about you, and I'm out of here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like why not.
Speaker 2: I think it'll get I think it'll get MESSI er
Speaker 2: as people start going home and people start getting their
Speaker 2: feelings hurt, people are going to cut the cord. They're
Speaker 2: going to be like, fuck it, I'm actually going to
Speaker 2: tell you every single thing, and that fifteen minutes is
Speaker 2: going to be very insightful. And that's all I'm teasing.
Speaker 1: I love it. It's so so good. I have to
Speaker 1: agree with you.
Speaker 3: With the challenger I'm most confused by. I also feel
Speaker 3: like it came from a genuine place. It seemed like
Speaker 3: it did with Beth. So I just think that there's
Speaker 3: just a lot of question marks around what's going on
Speaker 3: with John Ay and Beth. But unfortunately we're not going
Speaker 3: to get to see it after this because this was
Speaker 3: the end of their episode. But you know what, who
Speaker 3: really ended the episode off was KellyAnn and Sylvia, and
Speaker 3: I am very interested to hear what's going on with them,
Speaker 3: and we're going to hear it straight from Kellyn's mouth
Speaker 3: because she's coming on the podcast right after this break,
Speaker 3: So stay tuned, guys.
Speaker 1: All right, everybody, welcome back.
Speaker 3: I am so excited to get into this next portion
Speaker 3: of the podcast. We are about to interview somebody that
Speaker 3: I look up to in many ways. You may have
Speaker 3: seen her on her original season of the Island or
Speaker 3: more recently when she was on season forty where she
Speaker 3: almost won that not so fast eliminated against Carl Maria.
Speaker 3: She is an animal icon, an advocate, and truly an angel.
Speaker 1: So it's such a pleasure to have Kelly Anne on
Speaker 1: the podcast.
Speaker 2: Welcome Kelly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you, Tory. That was so sweet.
Speaker 3: It came from the heart honestly, like, I'm thrilled to
Speaker 3: have you on this episode. We always get slated before
Speaker 3: we were about to do the podcast with who the
Speaker 3: guest is going to be, so I was nervous.
Speaker 1: I was like, no, are we interviewing Kelly Ane so
Speaker 1: early because like she gets eliminated.
Speaker 3: Thank god, this episode wasn't your elimination.
Speaker 2: Kelly Ane's no stranger to the Challenge to All Stars.
Speaker 2: We did the first All Stars together. That was fun.
Speaker 2: What was your reaction to finding out it was rivals.
Speaker 2: When you looked on that stay around on that stage.
Speaker 5: You know, and by the time we were on the plane,
Speaker 5: you know, you start to hear the rumors. And I
Speaker 5: really when I didn't think, I didn't know to the
Speaker 5: day we were leaving that Sylvia was there. And I
Speaker 5: didn't think there was any chance that Sylvia would be
Speaker 5: on it because I knew she had just had a child,
Speaker 5: and I was like, I didn't know exactly how long ago,
Speaker 5: but I knew it was recent. So I guess you
Speaker 5: probably just got cleared even be physical by the.
Speaker 4: Doctor's like a recommendation, right.
Speaker 5: So it's like I didn't think she was even capable
Speaker 5: of doing a show yet, right, And so there was
Speaker 5: I thought, maybe I'll get john A, and john A
Speaker 5: and I get along great. I'm like, sure, I can't
Speaker 5: really trust Johnny and certain things that she says. I mean,
Speaker 5: even with you know, her and BEF being friends. She's like, yeah,
Speaker 5: give me a call, but then she's like, we're not
Speaker 5: going to be friends. So it's like, you don't really
Speaker 5: know what john as thinking. But I knew that Johnny
Speaker 5: and I get along great. She's she's nice to be around.
Speaker 5: She's small and all these things that I enjoy, So
Speaker 5: I'm like, I can be her rival and do really well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys would have been a good pair.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Sylvie and I just we I actually really wanted
Speaker 5: Sylvia to like me and All Stars three.
Speaker 4: Ye, I really did, and she hated me, and it
Speaker 4: was hard.
Speaker 5: It was hard to be hated so deeply and you
Speaker 5: like her, yeah, and All Stars three I did the
Speaker 5: first like week, and then she kept being so awful,
Speaker 5: you know, well fucking eternity. But and then and then
Speaker 5: by the time she just kept hating on me, I
Speaker 5: was like, yeah, you kind of are awful, But it
Speaker 5: was only because I didn't understand why she hated me.
Speaker 5: Cypia has a lot of great qualities, I mean a
Speaker 5: lot of great qualities.
Speaker 4: So yeah, she's very likable. That's what made it so hard.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's really tough, and I can relate.
Speaker 3: I feel like I have been in a situation where
Speaker 3: I didn't know why someone didn't like me, you know,
Speaker 3: and and they just don't like you, and then that, uh,
Speaker 3: of course, of course your reaction is going to be, well,
Speaker 3: I don't like you back, you know, I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: like somebody who doesn't like me, So.
Speaker 1: I I can totally relate to that.
Speaker 3: And you know, I think it is just a matter
Speaker 3: of oil and water. Some people mix and some people don't.
Speaker 3: But well not everyone's meant to be friends, you know.
Speaker 3: Definitely is a respect thing that I think she all followed.
Speaker 3: But like, we're also on reality television, so it teeters
Speaker 3: on that, like should it be kind of trashy and whatever,
Speaker 3: or should we all you know, follow this like moral guide.
Speaker 4: We're high strong, Yeah, we're high strong.
Speaker 5: It is intense environment, so you're not your best self
Speaker 5: in general, of course, and you're fighting for money and
Speaker 5: you don't know who's going to stab you in the back.
Speaker 5: I was also we were up planning weddings on Type
Speaker 5: and I did two challenge in the middle.
Speaker 4: Of that, So it was just a lot going on.
Speaker 5: But she she was going around telling everyone like how
Speaker 5: much I was like the worst and this is literally
Speaker 5: a voting game.
Speaker 4: She was telling people about her partner being the worst.
Speaker 5: It's like, okay, so not only are you not willing
Speaker 5: to do the challenge, but now you're going to go
Speaker 5: around hurting our political game. Like it just it was
Speaker 5: a lot so I was really but it was all
Speaker 5: on high emotion. Sylvia has a lot of emotion and
Speaker 5: she guards herself, but I know that the people she
Speaker 5: loves she's very very good too, and so she's.
Speaker 4: Just a hard a hard nut to crack man.
Speaker 2: But what's crazy is I think that taking inventory on
Speaker 2: the house not inventory. Yes, it did take inventory inventory.
Speaker 2: I I saw that a lot of people talked about
Speaker 2: their partners. You know, there was a lot of like
Speaker 2: insecurity and just kind of like where is this going
Speaker 2: to go? How is this going to work? But even
Speaker 2: even people that were friends were like, I really have
Speaker 2: to be in the room with this person, you know,
Speaker 2: because it becomes a lot you know. I think that
Speaker 2: everybody was feeling that. So I think that everybody's political
Speaker 2: game was kind of they had to work harder because
Speaker 2: everybody was probably saying an unsavory word or two about
Speaker 2: their partner.
Speaker 4: Yeah someone, Yeah, so.
Speaker 2: You weren't the only one. We were.
Speaker 5: The only one that were is obviously heated people.
Speaker 4: It's like people could use that like we shouldn't have
Speaker 4: given that.
Speaker 5: I mean, I you guys know me, I uh, I
Speaker 5: wouldn't call myself a trauma by the way, I call
Speaker 5: myself a piple because I'm incredibly kind and loyal and
Speaker 5: sweet and it could be great with kids, but I'm
Speaker 5: incredibly misunderstood and when I buy, I'll fucking kill and
Speaker 5: so like, I feel that it is very something I
Speaker 5: in some ways really love about myself, and in some
Speaker 5: ways it's not just like everything right, like that's good
Speaker 5: about people, like somethings that are very good about me.
Speaker 5: I would also say it's a big negativity on my
Speaker 5: end is that I have seen it since the day
Speaker 5: she met me. Like I get completely red and I
Speaker 5: just don't need to say the things I say sometimes
Speaker 5: when I am so so full of fire, and it's
Speaker 5: like shut my fucking mouth, you know.
Speaker 4: Like, but I when I finally get to that point,
Speaker 4: it's just like.
Speaker 3: Demonus, Like, so, what do you think of these new
Speaker 3: school competitors?
Speaker 1: I mean, you've also competed a lot with us recently.
Speaker 3: You did you did the World Champs in South Africa.
Speaker 1: We did that together. That's where you and I got
Speaker 1: close and then eras we did.
Speaker 3: But like, what is your opinion now, like on new
Speaker 3: school for old school?
Speaker 4: You know what, That's a good question.
Speaker 5: I felt on Season forty it was hard to be
Speaker 5: in a house full of so many people and find
Speaker 5: so many of them not entertaining to be around.
Speaker 4: You know, like they're not all anissan On tories.
Speaker 5: You know, they're not all season one, you know, like
Speaker 5: or yeah was it season what was it a one?
Speaker 4: Like right around season one? Season one?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 4: Era two is still pretty interesting.
Speaker 5: By Era three, You're like, Okay, we got a couple
Speaker 5: nuggets in there that are really good. But before I
Speaker 5: was like, you guys are nice, but my gug, can
Speaker 5: you put your puzzle down and start hanging out? Like yeah,
Speaker 5: It's like, I, I don't know, it's a different type
Speaker 5: of entertainment for sure.
Speaker 4: I I feel and I don't know. I don't want
Speaker 4: to insult anyone, but.
Speaker 5: I do feel that they they chose their specifically back
Speaker 5: when there was like the real world and the challenges
Speaker 5: just a certain unique character there. There's a lot of
Speaker 5: depth to them and you see so many different parts
Speaker 5: of them, and I don't know if they're doing that
Speaker 5: as much with all the new people, but sometimes you
Speaker 5: get a good nugget, you know, and we definitely had
Speaker 5: some of those in there, so it was I'm happy
Speaker 5: to see it, but uh, I don't know. There's something
Speaker 5: special about the.
Speaker 4: Generation, just their personalities.
Speaker 5: I find entertaining in a deeper way in a lot
Speaker 5: of ways.
Speaker 3: And you know who can speak to that directly on
Speaker 3: this episode, Veronica. Let's just talk about how this episode
Speaker 3: has this.
Speaker 1: Double agent moment where she is talking to Amber.
Speaker 3: Amber now thinks it's Nicole and it all the time,
Speaker 3: it's been Veronica, like, let's she is just I love
Speaker 3: watching Veronica play.
Speaker 1: I love watching her play.
Speaker 2: It's so good.
Speaker 4: She's so good. She's so got me, she got me good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she doesn't give a shit what anyone thinks. No,
Speaker 2: I mean, you need to take a page out of
Speaker 2: her book, Kelly Inn for a sensitive sales. We need
Speaker 2: to stop fucking Carrio as much. Veronica needs to have classes.
Speaker 2: So Veronica, if you're listening, which you probably aren't, but
Speaker 2: if someone could tell Veronica we need a class.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's a good idea. I wonder if she
Speaker 4: could do a class. I would pay for.
Speaker 2: That little master class.
Speaker 4: I mean, I doest don't even know.
Speaker 5: It just comes so natural, it seems to her, the
Speaker 5: way she flows, and she's just like, yeah.
Speaker 2: She works with what she has, and I really it's
Speaker 2: like what Frank said too. I think Frank and Veronica
Speaker 2: are probably the two best gamers in that house. Oh Frank, Yeah,
Speaker 2: they both are kind of like, gotta work with what
Speaker 2: I got, you know well.
Speaker 5: And it's hard too because I didn't just know Frank
Speaker 5: on the show. I met Frank and we both lived
Speaker 5: in West Hollywood, and we hung out all the time,
Speaker 5: whether we were partying yeah, or we were you know,
Speaker 5: going to the gym or hanging out the juice bar,
Speaker 5: like we're always together, so it was like I'm not always.
Speaker 5: We were hanging out a lot, so it's like I
Speaker 5: felt like I could trust him, and I don't know
Speaker 5: if I could or couldn't.
Speaker 4: I guess we'll see. I'll see with you. But it's like,
Speaker 4: you know, you hear him. I had told him.
Speaker 5: I was like, I want to be your number one girl.
Speaker 5: And I never said anyone before a show.
Speaker 1: Before you've had this, prior to going on to.
Speaker 5: Hand before this, yeah, I and everyone knows that Amber
Speaker 5: and I are close friends and Katie and I are,
Speaker 5: like I love Katie, So it's like it wasn't like,
Speaker 5: you know, like Anisa knows, like you have your good,
Speaker 5: genuine friends already. It's not like you're making this like
Speaker 5: alliance together. You're just like, I'm gonna go with you
Speaker 5: if I can. That's the plan, right, yeah, you know,
Speaker 5: but Frank was the only one I was like, I
Speaker 5: do want to be your number one chick, you know.
Speaker 5: And of course I know Ashley Kelsey was right up
Speaker 5: there like his real number one chick.
Speaker 4: But he was my first guy.
Speaker 5: And I don't know if that really worked out so
Speaker 5: well for a lot of us, cause I think he
Speaker 5: might have been the number one guy for a lot
Speaker 5: of people from what I'm seeing, So we'll see.
Speaker 4: I'm curious.
Speaker 2: I think it's one of those some people just are
Speaker 2: ruthless and just don't care, and there's some of some
Speaker 2: people who do care and are like, I can't really
Speaker 2: show you know, my cards, because I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 2: fuck somebody over, you know what I mean. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's hard. It's hard to play those games.
Speaker 5: Yeah, But when he says, uh, I want to make
Speaker 5: everybody so feel like they have their back, and then
Speaker 5: I got youa like, I guess I'll peoplen't referring.
Speaker 2: To though you need someone to do.
Speaker 4: He's so entertaining golly, he's hot. I mean, he's this
Speaker 4: is so hot.
Speaker 2: He's so hot, He's so hot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's get into this challenge because I want to
Speaker 3: know if we heard this correctly.
Speaker 1: Did you say that you love heights?
Speaker 5: I do.
Speaker 4: I I love heights, but they do scare me.
Speaker 2: So what did you love about this one in particular?
Speaker 4: Well, I didn't get to do it, which is really
Speaker 4: why I was so.
Speaker 2: Upset, but you saw what was done.
Speaker 4: I wanted.
Speaker 5: I mean I still hurt, but I couldn't do it,
Speaker 5: Like my heart hurt.
Speaker 2: No, I want to know what specifically about Sylvia holding
Speaker 2: you on a fucking two foot rope over the edge
Speaker 2: of the building was like, I really want to do that.
Speaker 2: I just want to know because I'm trying to channel
Speaker 2: that fun for all of that.
Speaker 4: Well, there's a few things.
Speaker 5: One is I wanted to see how we would do.
Speaker 5: I am a competitor, so I.
Speaker 4: Wanted to see how we would do. And I really
Speaker 4: thought that it.
Speaker 5: Could be a good team building together even if we
Speaker 5: fell together.
Speaker 4: I felt like it would be.
Speaker 5: Just like in any company you have people that work
Speaker 5: together go and do things, and you guys do excursions
Speaker 5: and then you come back into the office and you
Speaker 5: guys have more of a camaraderie and you do better
Speaker 5: work because you've experienced things together. And so part of
Speaker 5: it was I wanted to grow with her in that experience.
Speaker 5: And then part of it is I like the feeling
Speaker 5: of falling.
Speaker 2: See, Okay, so you're you're like than the one percent.
Speaker 2: I'm guessing because I mean, yes, we do it on
Speaker 2: roller coasters, we do free fall and jumping. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: just there's a difference with if we were to run
Speaker 2: and jump off of that, I bet you more people
Speaker 2: would have done it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, for sure.
Speaker 5: And when we went they started playing got a weird
Speaker 5: techno music, not the and not the show like beneath Us,
Speaker 5: there was like techno music going and eve and I
Speaker 5: was starting to be like, am I having like a
Speaker 5: bad trip?
Speaker 4: You know? It was a lot for your little heart.
Speaker 4: I was like, my god, I think.
Speaker 1: What freaked me out because that that particular spot.
Speaker 3: Obviously, this is Vietnam. They're going to continue to use
Speaker 3: some of the places that they've done Challenges on Arasport
Speaker 3: on Era forty. We did forty on Challenge on season forty.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, we know you're saying we
Speaker 3: did a challenge where we jumped off it and it
Speaker 3: was terrifying, but it wasn't raining, and I think that
Speaker 3: looking at the weather like production ended up canceling it
Speaker 3: and like offering them this moment where they could say,
Speaker 3: you know, either either don't.
Speaker 1: Go at all, like talk to me about like.
Speaker 3: What was going on that day as somebody who wasn't
Speaker 3: there ansa do you want to go?
Speaker 2: Oh shit, say look, it was kind of listen. I
Speaker 2: almost wish the cloud was around me when I went,
Speaker 2: because then I wouldn't have been able to see the ground.
Speaker 2: Oh really, it almost was like that. I mean for me,
Speaker 2: like I don't want to hang off anything. If it
Speaker 2: were one hundred feet two hundred feet fine, and you
Speaker 2: already saw FeSi and Amberger. They went early enough for
Speaker 2: us to be like, no one's going to beat that time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're built for that.
Speaker 2: But but it started raining when Dario and Ashley Kay went.
Speaker 2: But it also they couldn't math for shit that you
Speaker 2: could have given them a calculator, they still might be there.
Speaker 4: On purpose. Some people pretended to not get the masks
Speaker 4: so they didn't have you.
Speaker 2: Yell, get us. We're just so skeptical. Look what the
Speaker 2: show has done. We're like, well, maybe they did know,
Speaker 2: but they tried not to know. But all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: the storm is coming in and they were like, guys,
Speaker 2: go inside because there was lightning and wind and whatever,
Speaker 2: and brought us in and you know, Tory that observation area.
Speaker 2: So you go upstairs and we were looking out and
Speaker 2: you literally could not see Vietnam. It was just us
Speaker 2: in this building and pure white around us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's wild.
Speaker 2: You literally like wind was going so hard there. We
Speaker 2: couldn't have done that and not risk something. So three
Speaker 2: teams hadn't gone yet, and Dervo was like, I'm not
Speaker 2: coming back. I don't one. Every wanted to be mad
Speaker 2: at me because we were like, we don't want to
Speaker 2: come back.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's really tough. I don't know.
Speaker 3: It seemed like a weird day, like at first everyone
Speaker 3: was just quitting, and then all of a sudden it
Speaker 3: was like the challenge is now quitting on itself.
Speaker 4: Well, one, I know TJ was pissed. I mean, we
Speaker 4: are alsars. We were supposed to try. But two is
Speaker 4: ninety five percent of.
Speaker 5: The people here are almost like just absolutely terrified of heights,
Speaker 5: like almost the most out of anybody in this one season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but wait, remember when we tried to like we
Speaker 2: were at least like, you know what, what if we
Speaker 2: do the math faster, at least we long get last.
Speaker 2: I think if they had made a longer rope and
Speaker 2: I could have stood like maybe ten feet in back
Speaker 2: of her, we would have been fine, because I already
Speaker 2: did a challenge like that with Laurel and we killed
Speaker 2: it just being on her ass. You both had to
Speaker 2: be on the fucking edge.
Speaker 5: I was gonna push I was going to push h
Speaker 5: Sylvia off. I was just gonna try to jump off
Speaker 5: and see what would happen. And I looked at TJ
Speaker 5: and said, I'm gonna I'm gonna get her off, and
Speaker 5: he said do it, and uh. But then I thought
Speaker 5: everyone's watching and no one else is making their partner
Speaker 5: do it, So if I pull her off, they're gonna
Speaker 5: probably think I'm the meanest fucking person. But I just thought,
Speaker 5: how great would revenge be if I can force her
Speaker 5: to fall off this fucking mountain?
Speaker 4: Wait?
Speaker 2: Were we allowed to jump off and grab them? I
Speaker 2: guess you could text it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, So I was like.
Speaker 2: But you had to grab one at a time, so
Speaker 2: it wouldn't have mattered. I would have rather jump ran
Speaker 2: and jumped off with her.
Speaker 4: I would have liked to.
Speaker 5: I was really debating it, and I remember thinking, there's
Speaker 5: us right now, yeah, because I was like, at least
Speaker 5: I get of experience.
Speaker 2: It was jump and get one flag.
Speaker 5: Part of the challenge is literally just experiencing these things.
Speaker 5: Like some of the things I've done I could have
Speaker 5: never done in real life if you do pay to
Speaker 5: do it. So it's like some of the experiences are
Speaker 5: so amazing. And you know, Justin Booth said it to
Speaker 5: me once. He said, you know, I watched you guys
Speaker 5: come out the other side and how much it changes you.
Speaker 5: And like He's like, you guys might not see it,
Speaker 5: but I watch how much positivity comes from all of
Speaker 5: you doing these finals and doing these challenges and the
Speaker 5: way you've grown.
Speaker 4: I'm thinking, are you sure it's not called like pts,
Speaker 4: you know, But he's like he's like no, like, no,
Speaker 4: we too. Yes, there's any.
Speaker 2: Confidence that definitely stems from doing something that you didn't
Speaker 2: think you could do. Because you get out on this side,
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, but now you have the fear because
Speaker 2: you've already done it scary. There is something there too,
Speaker 2: there's a double side there is.
Speaker 5: But he said, you know he did the Army said,
Speaker 5: that's what we got in the army, and I want
Speaker 5: to give that to all of you, and you.
Speaker 2: Know what, I'd like him to take it back to
Speaker 2: the Army.
Speaker 3: I will say this Justin Booth for anybody who doesn't know.
Speaker 3: He's been a showrunner for a long long time, and
Speaker 3: he is known on the podcast too.
Speaker 1: He's been a podcast. Yeah, he's he's an absolute legend.
Speaker 3: But I do think it takes a it takes a
Speaker 3: special kind of I'd call him a parent in a way,
Speaker 3: and to give to give us tough love like that,
Speaker 3: because because there's there's many show runners who don't come
Speaker 3: into it like that. There's many ship runners that are like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to kill you guys, it's a TV show.
Speaker 3: Justin Booth wants you to walk away from it, like
Speaker 3: he said, feeling.
Speaker 1: Like you accomplished something internally.
Speaker 3: So I think that and I think TJ has that
Speaker 3: same sentiment.
Speaker 4: He does. He does.
Speaker 2: Yeah, TJ's fearless. He used to flip on bikes on
Speaker 2: a ramp. I have a certain kind of thrill seeking
Speaker 2: behavior that I will tell you a lot of mellanated
Speaker 2: folks don't do skydiving, bungee jumping, jumping off of buildings.
Speaker 2: We don't wake up and ask to do that.
Speaker 5: You know, hard, I mean it's hard for me is
Speaker 5: going in front of the world and being vulnerable and
Speaker 5: not knowing how what's part of the story you'll see,
Speaker 5: or just showing you at you're worst.
Speaker 4: I mean that is also incredibly scary, and we do that.
Speaker 2: You look fantastic in your interview, great color, it looks good.
Speaker 2: I thought you looked great.
Speaker 4: I appreciate it. I do appreciate that, especially coming from you.
Speaker 5: But but I do think it's very vulnerable and really
Speaker 5: really hard just to be on reality TV and be
Speaker 5: that vulnerable, especially the challenge.
Speaker 4: So as much as it's hard to say, like.
Speaker 5: Hey, not normal to want to do these crazy bike
Speaker 5: tricks or jump off of this disgustingly high building, just
Speaker 5: doing the challenge, risking being a loser in front of everyone, risking.
Speaker 4: Vomiting and like being called out and looking just being vulnerable.
Speaker 5: I mean it is not something I think in nature
Speaker 5: we do, so we should be proud of ourselves just
Speaker 5: for saying.
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, we have to take a quick break,
Speaker 1: but we'll be right back after this.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's get back to the show.
Speaker 3: I also think something that goes I mean, we know
Speaker 3: this is hard. Some people don't struggle with this as much,
Speaker 3: but voting each.
Speaker 4: Other in hate it.
Speaker 3: It is one of the hardest aspects of the challenge
Speaker 3: because you're trying to do a couple of things here.
Speaker 3: When you get into a house, a genuinely good person wants.
Speaker 1: Everyone to feel comfortable.
Speaker 3: Obviously, this is a new experience, so you're trying to
Speaker 3: connect with people genuinely, and then the game starts and
Speaker 3: those genuine connections that maybe you had in the airport,
Speaker 3: the hellos, the small talk then become things that you
Speaker 3: think about when you're about to vote somebody in.
Speaker 1: And so a lot of people voted for.
Speaker 3: Adam and Steve this time around, both of your teams,
Speaker 3: right yeah, yeah, Anissa, you voted for Adam and Steve,
Speaker 3: Right yeah.
Speaker 4: We had to. It was yeah.
Speaker 2: There, listen, there's a team that has that has did
Speaker 2: well in the second challenge, won the first one, and
Speaker 2: to be honest, the chances of them winning other challenges
Speaker 2: are high. Yeah, Adam is a nice guy. I'm just
Speaker 2: meeting Steve. I don't yeah, like.
Speaker 5: I guess, yeah, I mean, I mean that's the same.
Speaker 5: But I started feeling really guilty. Katie's telling me how
Speaker 5: great they are, running them, how great they are, and
Speaker 5: they were both They're tearing up, so like I'm I'm
Speaker 5: struggling with it and I'm watching a Jill just be
Speaker 5: like I'm saying your name, and honestly, looking back, I
Speaker 5: think that was a waste of energy.
Speaker 4: I wish I didn't give a fuck. I really do.
Speaker 4: Like that's like.
Speaker 5: It's not like I'm like, oh, I just wish I
Speaker 5: was heartless, but I do. In that moment, I owed
Speaker 5: them nothing I did not need. I was in one point,
Speaker 5: I was even worried that, like, uh, Adam's girlfriend would
Speaker 5: get mad at me, like I'm like, Avery.
Speaker 2: You can't carry that much yo, and.
Speaker 4: Not at all.
Speaker 5: But it went in my head and I was like, oh,
Speaker 5: Avery is not mad that I said his name, you know,
Speaker 5: like I don't even fucking know Avery that well.
Speaker 4: I don't have a phone number, you know, like up brain,
Speaker 4: you know, like yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's normal. Though it's normal and it's hard.
Speaker 4: In business, it is, right, Like we watch your own.
Speaker 5: Business did the same thing, like, oh, it's business, and
Speaker 5: I'm like, ah, don't do that, that's not I wouldn't
Speaker 5: do that, but I'm not a business woman.
Speaker 3: Really, Yeah, exactly were you shocked when Fesssi and Amber
Speaker 3: ended up throwing in Beth and john A Because I know,
Speaker 3: watching it, I was not expecting it at all. I
Speaker 3: was wondering if you guys had any inkling of that
Speaker 3: happening when you're in the house.
Speaker 5: I was supposed to be Hamber's number one, and she
Speaker 5: didn't even.
Speaker 4: Bring it up. It actually really bothered me.
Speaker 5: One leave them for us, you know, like, why are
Speaker 5: you giving the easiest team to freaking not that you
Speaker 5: know they're easy, but probably yeah, one of the easiest
Speaker 5: teams against the hardest team that could takeut almost anybody.
Speaker 4: Why didn't you play a big move?
Speaker 5: You have this opportunity, you don't know when you're gonna
Speaker 5: get it again. You're almost guaranteed that Adam, and then
Speaker 5: we're gonna do good at whatever it is they do.
Speaker 5: If they knew anything about Steve, he's like a wizard
Speaker 5: in every kind of puzzle and they're both pretty athletic,
Speaker 5: so I'm like, there's a stronger guy guy team.
Speaker 4: But like, I just couldn't figure out who all their
Speaker 4: friendships were.
Speaker 5: And she had made comment like because we were actually
Speaker 5: like I was hearing rumors going around about easier teams
Speaker 5: to put in and not Adam and Steve and and
Speaker 5: she was like, well, if you guys say that, that's
Speaker 5: not good because we really want strong people to go
Speaker 5: in there against strong people.
Speaker 2: So I was like, yeah, opposite contradictory. I don't know
Speaker 2: what is going on. I think that a lot of
Speaker 2: people strung with like the right thing to do themselves
Speaker 2: and the right thing to do for the game.
Speaker 5: Yeah, being the first winning team is also not easy, right,
Speaker 5: because you're for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I mean I was trying not to and
Speaker 4: then I don't want to.
Speaker 5: I don't want to stress Amber out, you know, because
Speaker 5: I've only done one other show with her. I know
Speaker 5: they're outside of the shows, and I know she can
Speaker 5: get stressed. And so I was like, I knew my
Speaker 5: team sucked, and I was so.
Speaker 4: Miserable that I didn't really know how I was coming across.
Speaker 5: To other people, you know, like when you're like, oh,
Speaker 5: I'm such a bad doo that I should avoid people
Speaker 5: so they can't see me.
Speaker 4: And I was like, is it just leaking out of me?
Speaker 5: How miserable I am because I'm just like in this
Speaker 5: like girl girl team that can't get along and we're
Speaker 5: not very like big or you know. And so I
Speaker 5: was like, I was like trying to like talk to her,
Speaker 5: but I also just didn't want to feel like I
Speaker 5: was trying to put my prerogative in her game and
Speaker 5: take advantage of a friendship. And so it's like, I
Speaker 5: feel like the last friends I've had that I really
Speaker 5: like fully been like their number one's Kendall Amber, I
Speaker 5: feel like Johnnay. I feel like I have some good
Speaker 5: kind friends, but I never have actually been able to
Speaker 5: like be on the same page when it comes to
Speaker 5: the game. And that's something that like if I do
Speaker 5: another show again and I choose to have a number one,
Speaker 5: like without a doubt, we need to be like, hey,
Speaker 5: doesn't matter who's sucking, what team's sucking, like we need
Speaker 5: to work together or else we're not number ones.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, I also wonder like Fessei and Adam had that conversation,
Speaker 3: Amber peeped it through the window, but like wasn't a
Speaker 3: part of it. It also makes you remember, like there
Speaker 3: are two people in the partnership. Amber could have had
Speaker 3: conversations prior to even talking to FeSi. And obviously it
Speaker 3: was clear that Fessei wanted to throw Adam and Steve
Speaker 3: a bone because if Adam and Sieve are gonna come
Speaker 3: back and win, he wants them so, so maybe Amber
Speaker 3: was having conversations before having like a solid combo with Fessi,
Speaker 3: and like that's where it's switched up. I mean, that's
Speaker 3: just kind of like maybe what I gather from watching.
Speaker 3: But then the other thing I felt bad or the
Speaker 3: other person I felt bad for was john A because
Speaker 3: now john Ay really didn't have an idea that she
Speaker 3: was going into the elimination.
Speaker 1: Like if if you say that, there's not.
Speaker 3: A chance of me going in like awesome, But if
Speaker 3: you say it was between me and another person, well
Speaker 3: then there's a chance, you know. And Amber doesn't actually
Speaker 3: owe it to anybody to tell her what she's going
Speaker 3: to do.
Speaker 1: She doesn't. If she doesn't want to tell her, she
Speaker 1: doesn't have to tell her. It's a game. It's totally fine.
Speaker 3: But I did feel bad for Johnny a little bit
Speaker 3: because I feel like Johnny's kind of.
Speaker 1: Got a rough season already. She's with Beth, who is
Speaker 1: just you know her. They have an awful.
Speaker 2: History and her and Beth.
Speaker 3: It's similar with Beth not wanting to jump off Sylvia
Speaker 3: not wanting to jump off like I'm sure Kelly, and
Speaker 3: you can relate to that kind of not wanting to
Speaker 3: do a challenge like that's not that's not fun. So
Speaker 3: I do feel like Johnny got the shit end of
Speaker 3: the stick this time around.
Speaker 4: My think she got lucky. Honestly, she got to go
Speaker 4: home right away.
Speaker 5: She she didn't have to sit there and deal with
Speaker 5: that for very long. And I do think that it
Speaker 5: does suck that they put that team in when I
Speaker 5: would have liked them to have stayed. They were a
Speaker 5: positive number for us, I think, and if nothing else,
Speaker 5: it was pure entertainment. But but like, uh yeah, I've
Speaker 5: never liked some the idea of telling someone you know
Speaker 5: they're safe and then they're not. And I honestly feel
Speaker 5: like John ay, maybe you won't do it to me
Speaker 5: next time or someone else.
Speaker 3: Know.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying, we all know.
Speaker 5: I hold the grudge and I forget her, but she
Speaker 5: did do that to me, and I was her actual friends.
Speaker 5: So as much as I'm not okay with someone doing
Speaker 5: it to her, it's also like, well isn't that funny?
Speaker 1: Wait?
Speaker 3: So wait, just just rewind just for anybody who maybe
Speaker 3: hasn't hasn't watched the past season where this happened, to
Speaker 3: explain a little bit about that back.
Speaker 4: His story, So just on the yeah, just on the
Speaker 4: World Championships.
Speaker 5: She had told me I was safe, and she actually
Speaker 5: went out a way to be like, hey, you're gonna
Speaker 5: see me having conversations.
Speaker 4: With people all day.
Speaker 5: Don't stress one hundred percent, you're not going in, and
Speaker 5: then she put me in without warning and told me
Speaker 5: while I was up there, And I will say it
Speaker 5: was more about like I think I actually did better
Speaker 5: because I didn't have to stress, and so my body
Speaker 5: was actually better.
Speaker 4: But my heart felt like it broke, Like I felt
Speaker 4: like it broke.
Speaker 5: And so when I watched you know, Amber do that,
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, that was fucking bizarre.
Speaker 4: But then I was like, hmm, you know, karma in
Speaker 4: a way karma, I mean.
Speaker 5: It wasn't a close friend, it still didn't have to
Speaker 5: hurt it the same way. And she it was like
Speaker 5: she got pleasantly euthanized. You know, it wasn't like she
Speaker 5: had to.
Speaker 1: Sit there and oh not pleasantly you.
Speaker 4: Uthanized. She got sen dated before killed. You know, Jesus,
Speaker 4: Kelly has morbid. I'm going through a lot in California
Speaker 4: right now.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's so fair. Hey, it's so so fair.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm we're grateful that you're even here to talk
Speaker 3: about it, that you're okay, happy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I.
Speaker 3: Think we can get into like a lot more of
Speaker 3: the stuff that you're working on outside of the game
Speaker 3: after we're done, like getting through this portion of podcecyt Y. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well let's get into this Sylvia conversation.
Speaker 2: Oh to see you next tuesday. You guys use some
Speaker 2: very colorful language.
Speaker 1: Wait did you.
Speaker 5: Say that this just honestly wasn't enough to describe her?
Speaker 2: Well, you both said it to one another. You said it,
Speaker 2: and just she said you know what you are too, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I see you next Tuesday.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And honestly, sometimes certain people need to have words that
Speaker 5: aren't just pleasantries. It seems to be able to lay
Speaker 5: it all on the table before you can really heal.
Speaker 5: And I think that's what this conversation was with us.
Speaker 5: She was really I feel like she felt offended and
Speaker 5: hurt that I was so hard on her, especially when
Speaker 5: no one else was to their partners during that challenge.
Speaker 5: And then I was taking on all my emotions that
Speaker 5: already of dislike towards her in that challenge and feeling like, golly,
Speaker 5: I don't want to be here. Now you're taking something
Speaker 5: fun away from me and we're not even gonna try.
Speaker 5: And so we both had a lot of emotion there,
Speaker 5: and I feel like we needed to understand each other better,
Speaker 5: and it would have been nice if we could have
Speaker 5: just spoke like adults. But in that moment, I just
Speaker 5: I didn't feel like she was hearing me. I'd be like,
Speaker 5: you don't understand you don't know me. She'd be like, Yep,
Speaker 5: that's right, I don't know you. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 5: but you're saying you don't like me. Yep, that's right,
Speaker 5: I don't like you, and like, but you don't know
Speaker 5: me yep, Like okay, this is starting to become ridiculous,
Speaker 5: you know. And so I felt like she wanted to,
Speaker 5: uh get to the next level.
Speaker 4: So I brought I think I might have brought us there.
Speaker 1: Oh it went there all right?
Speaker 3: I mean, watching you two, I was interested that the
Speaker 3: episode kept rolling after the elimination.
Speaker 1: Usually it's just like cut off, and it's like I was.
Speaker 2: No, no, see An next Wednesday. We're going to see
Speaker 2: an next Tuesday.
Speaker 3: But the fact that you guys get to go back
Speaker 3: to the house after you've been eliminated, so I was
Speaker 3: expecting the episode to cut off right there and then
Speaker 3: for there to be this kind of like lingering conversation
Speaker 3: between you and Sylvia like.
Speaker 1: That is just it felt like through the screen it
Speaker 1: felt the tension, like I felt the tension. It was
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 5: Corey's like, I think you guys should talk, and I
Speaker 5: was like, are you sure?
Speaker 4: Like you knew how sick? I was was like is
Speaker 4: that a good idea? She's like yeah, trust me, Like
Speaker 4: come talk to her.
Speaker 5: And it was just like like I remember when they
Speaker 5: separate us elected Corey.
Speaker 4: And go, yeah, great idea.
Speaker 1: Wow wow, oh man.
Speaker 3: I mean it definitely got really tense. I feel like
Speaker 3: there were some things said in that conversation that me,
Speaker 3: as an avid animal lover, I don't think it would
Speaker 3: have sat so well with me. But you know, it
Speaker 3: is tough when obviously Sylvia has just left her child
Speaker 3: who she just gave birth to. You also equally have
Speaker 3: things that feel just as important to you. And I
Speaker 3: just want to say it like, not everybody is supposed
Speaker 3: to love animals and humans equally, because if that was
Speaker 3: the case, then either only the animals would get love,
Speaker 3: or either only people would get love. So it's important
Speaker 3: that there are people out there that balance both And Kelly,
Speaker 3: and just because maybe you don't have a kid doesn't
Speaker 3: mean that you don't actively have that same expression.
Speaker 1: Of love towards whatever you want to give it to.
Speaker 3: So I feel like I feel like that was hard
Speaker 3: to watch, and I can imagine how it would feel
Speaker 3: very just difficult to be in that conversation.
Speaker 5: It was difficult, I felt when someone tries to go
Speaker 5: that low, though it doesn't usually penetrate, because there's obviously
Speaker 5: something that she was feeling deeply where she wanted to
Speaker 5: hurt me that badly, So it must have come from
Speaker 5: something else within herself. I cannot imagine leaving a three
Speaker 5: month a year old child to go do something this
Speaker 5: was a better my family like to do. That is
Speaker 5: really difficult she made. She's not doing it for a fame.
Speaker 5: She's doing it to make money for her family, you know.
Speaker 5: I mean, she has a great job as well as
Speaker 5: a real agent, but like this is good money, and
Speaker 5: I know she was doing it for the right reasons.
Speaker 5: I person don't know if I could have done that,
Speaker 5: and so I can only try to imagine what the
Speaker 5: mothers on this show, especially Sylvia having such a young baby,
Speaker 5: were going through. But it seemed very difficult, especially for
Speaker 5: the mothers of younger children.
Speaker 4: So I understand she was trying to hurt me.
Speaker 5: I don't think she really feels that her life is
Speaker 5: more important than Mie because she was has a baby,
Speaker 5: and I do. I hope I get to have baby someday.
Speaker 5: I hope God blesses me with that opportunity. But in
Speaker 5: the meantime, I have not yet started trying. Hopefully soon enough,
Speaker 5: but if not, I will continue to rescue animals then
Speaker 5: maybe adopted child.
Speaker 1: But either way, it's beautiful sometay beautiful. Yeah, yeah, so beautiful.
Speaker 3: And it sucks that like these hard conversations sometimes can
Speaker 3: be the things that bring people closer together, because it's
Speaker 3: almost like opening the wound and sitting in the shit
Speaker 3: of it all. But it makes me wonder like after
Speaker 3: this conversation, and obviously no spoilers, but were you and
Speaker 3: Sylvia able to the eye to eye during the season
Speaker 3: at all or was it always this heavy? You know?
Speaker 5: We Yeah, I think I felt very confused by the
Speaker 5: dislike towards me. And also I've had people throughout my
Speaker 5: life not like me for reasons I never understood.
Speaker 4: And sometimes it could just be that I'm different.
Speaker 5: Or quirky or a different vibration than them, you know,
Speaker 5: And that's okay, but it does bring out my own insecurities,
Speaker 5: and you know, I'd like to say that, yeah, we
Speaker 5: have started the process of mending and understanding each other
Speaker 5: and not judging each other on a surface level. But
Speaker 5: would I tell I'd be lying if I said I
Speaker 5: wasn't scared that she wouldn't just turn on me and
Speaker 5: dislike me again and me get my feelings hurt because
Speaker 5: I am a very sensitive person. And so anyway, selfily,
Speaker 5: I can work on my sensitive heart because it's good
Speaker 5: to sensitive, it really is. I feel like our culture
Speaker 5: tells us like, oh, sensitivity is bad, you know, but
Speaker 5: sometimes you also need to protect yourself and and and
Speaker 5: so there's like a fine line of where that is
Speaker 5: as I think both.
Speaker 4: Of y'all understand. M M. Definitely, But yeah, Sylvia is great.
Speaker 5: She kept making comments when we first got to the house,
Speaker 5: being like to other people in front of me, but
Speaker 5: to other people, going, yeah, I don't make.
Speaker 4: Friends on the challenges.
Speaker 5: We don't hang out after I don't answer calls, like yeah,
Speaker 5: I'll respond to text message sometime, but like I'm not
Speaker 5: here to make sure.
Speaker 4: Definitely, she said it so many times. I was like,
Speaker 4: why are you telling people?
Speaker 2: She's like, you're not invited to my wedding. I was like,
Speaker 2: we just we literally just we met before Sylvia, but
Speaker 2: we literally just had her first laugh, Like I don't
Speaker 2: need to be invited.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she was just not She was just like letting
Speaker 5: you know, like I'm not gonna fuck with you later.
Speaker 5: And I was kind of like, maybe don't tell everyone
Speaker 5: who we want to vote with us.
Speaker 2: I'm almost I almost respected a little bit though, so
Speaker 2: that nobody really gets their feel like people are people
Speaker 2: get really upset after the show. I'm just playing Devil's
Speaker 2: advocate right now, Like you you bond on the show
Speaker 2: and then you get back to real life and then
Speaker 2: one person it may have like it's like a relationship,
Speaker 2: the set expectation and you're like, I'm not interested in
Speaker 2: like pursuing this romantically, you know, but one is.
Speaker 5: Not a good game plan to just as upset if
Speaker 5: you tell them, hey, I don't want to be your friend.
Speaker 5: I don't even know you that well, but just a
Speaker 5: heads up, we're not going to be friends. That Also,
Speaker 5: I think three puts a huge damper in like your
Speaker 5: growth individually as a human.
Speaker 2: You know, I mean, I get it, I get it.
Speaker 2: I was just playing Devil's advocate. Yeah, not very good. Fine,
Speaker 2: it totally fine. Listen, I'm the one who makes friends clearly,
Speaker 2: so you do.
Speaker 4: You do, you have all the friends.
Speaker 2: But this is my main this is my main home,
Speaker 2: my main moth toy d.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you're also likable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, Tory, but enjoying my time there, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it's.
Speaker 5: It's already hard enough for me, but I don't like
Speaker 5: everybody there to say someone's name. You really do know
Speaker 5: a lot of people in it, like a true way,
Speaker 5: So it's like, fuck, you got to say someone's name,
Speaker 5: and it's gotta be a lot harder for you than
Speaker 5: it is for the average person on the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just a little bit more so. I got
Speaker 2: some social skills in my back pocket. I've always been
Speaker 2: a social butter fly. But I would like to know,
Speaker 2: even though I was there, what can you tease out
Speaker 2: anything without any spoilers calling in of what's to come?
Speaker 4: How do you tease out about us to come? Okay, Well,
Speaker 4: I can play this game.
Speaker 3: Adjectives Yeah there Yeah, there will be some backstabbing, there will.
Speaker 5: Be some confused people, There will be some yelling and crying,
Speaker 5: and you will see probably a little bit of some
Speaker 5: surprise guys, competitors that do better than you expected.
Speaker 2: You just did a really really good job.
Speaker 4: Thank you. English is the only thing I was an
Speaker 4: honors for.
Speaker 2: Well, there's another thing that's honorable about you is your
Speaker 2: love of animals. And we have talked about that. We
Speaker 2: know you're a big advocate for the pups and just
Speaker 2: animals in general and animals in general, and you do
Speaker 2: talk about it. This episode. We do see you sharing
Speaker 2: sharing a bed with a pet and playing with a pet,
Speaker 2: just you and all of your babies. I want to
Speaker 2: know if there are any and for the listeners, are
Speaker 2: there any organizations you want to promote yours others, places
Speaker 2: to donate, websites to look at.
Speaker 4: You know, there are so many really good.
Speaker 5: Rescues that I've worked with, but I'm going to name
Speaker 5: a few that I know have been working a lot
Speaker 5: in LA with the fires, and some that I've seen
Speaker 5: do really good work and that I trust.
Speaker 4: That is the Animal Pad also.
Speaker 5: Hit Living Hit Living Foundation, mut Scouts Love mut Scouts.
Speaker 5: She's actually a big one of the women that works
Speaker 5: for them. Her name is Shana and she's a huge
Speaker 5: fan of show. She probably want to say hi to
Speaker 5: both of you guys. She's like just a huge angel
Speaker 5: and I trust Mut Scouts so much. And another and
Speaker 5: the last one I'll mention right now is the Best
Speaker 5: Friend Animal Society and they have been doing a lot
Speaker 5: love I mean, they all have so much of the
Speaker 5: fires right now. They even have their own personal link
Speaker 5: that you can go to put the money just for
Speaker 5: the animals that go to the fires.
Speaker 4: Also the Pesidic Humane Society.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure when this is going to come out,
Speaker 5: but the Pacadating Humane Society is taking on a lot
Speaker 5: of the animals pets that were found after the fires
Speaker 5: and taking care of all their wounds from the fires
Speaker 5: as well as a lot of wild animals. And we
Speaker 5: are getting two different that I know of, at least,
Speaker 5: there's probably a lot more. Two different groups that are
Speaker 5: nonprofit that are taking animals from LA and bringing them
Speaker 5: to people outside of Los Angeles on their planes. And
Speaker 5: that is Wings of Rescue and Pilots N pause, that's
Speaker 5: Pilots with the N pause.
Speaker 2: These names, I wrote down a few. I love Tory,
Speaker 2: and I will surely share.
Speaker 3: I can email to you please email, yeah, yeah, thank
Speaker 3: you so much, Kelly Ane, Like the work you do
Speaker 3: is very important. It's so lovely to see somebody who's
Speaker 3: pushing for the animals so hard that it is just
Speaker 3: an amazing.
Speaker 5: You guys both did the same thing about two kittens
Speaker 5: right now that you're fostering.
Speaker 3: And you know what, Like, it's such a beautiful experience
Speaker 3: and it really has fulfilled my purpose in the world,
Speaker 3: feeling like I'm doing something that makes me feel like
Speaker 3: it's worth it to be alive. And all the blessings
Speaker 3: that we have, how can we keep funneling them into yes,
Speaker 3: you know, the animals and helping them out, and good
Speaker 3: karma always comes from it. Not only that it makes
Speaker 3: you feel good inside to know that you can be
Speaker 3: a part of something bigger than yourself. So I think
Speaker 3: you're amazing Kelly, and I'm really looking forward to you
Speaker 3: the rest of the season.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on. Where can we
Speaker 1: follow you on social media?
Speaker 4: I love you.
Speaker 5: I am at Kelly and Judd, and I also have
Speaker 5: my dog page no traditional mother underslashes for between the Words,
Speaker 5: which is also.
Speaker 4: On my ed Kellyanne dot Judd.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 3: So you well, Thank you Kelly, and such a pleasure
Speaker 3: to have you here. Hopefully see you soon and can't
Speaker 3: wait to watch you the rest of the season.
Speaker 2: Well, we are happy to see that kellyan is safe
Speaker 2: and the doggies. She definitely gave us some insight to
Speaker 2: this episode. It is always nice to hear from her
Speaker 2: and all of the great things that she's doing for
Speaker 2: the animals. Yeah, so I'm really happy that we got
Speaker 2: to speak with her.
Speaker 3: I agree. I think she's incredible and it's always fun
Speaker 3: to cover these episodes. I'm so happy I get to
Speaker 3: be on this challenge podcast with you, Anissa, even though
Speaker 3: I wasn't on All Stars five, and I'm grateful for it.
Speaker 1: I'm happy to be here with you on the podcast.
Speaker 1: So thanks for doing this with me.
Speaker 2: Oh, thanks for having me?
Speaker 1: And where can we follow you?
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me?
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me?
Speaker 3: What do you mean? Yes, any You'll be my guest
Speaker 3: every single week. But when we can't find you on
Speaker 3: the podcast, where can we find you?
Speaker 2: Your local corner? No? Oh god, you can find me
Speaker 2: on Instagram at Anissa MTV. That's where I am and
Speaker 2: that's where I will be. Tory, where can they find you?
Speaker 3: You guys can find me at Tory Underscore deal. All
Speaker 3: of my things are whatever my life is on Instagram.
Speaker 1: Just follow me there.
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