WEBVTT - Two Jersey Js: Scary Island No More 

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<v Speaker 1>Hi guys, I'm Jen Fessler from Two Jersey Jays. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>without my partner Jackie today, but guess who I am with,

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<v Speaker 1>the beautiful Kelly Bensmoon and we, by the way, are

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<v Speaker 1>not in Jersey. We are not We are not in Jersey.

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<v Speaker 1>We are in Napa Valley. We're in the Napa Valley.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you been here before? I have been here before,

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<v Speaker 2>but can imagine today? We were at the concert live

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<v Speaker 2>from the vineyard. It was such a vibe. All of

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<v Speaker 2>the wine, all of the country music, so dreamy. Everybody

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<v Speaker 2>was in cowboy boots. You're looking fire, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you. You're looking fire too, Thank you so much

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<v Speaker 2>like the Feathers. I was like, you know what, let's.

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<v Speaker 1>You caught you well when I text you earlier today

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<v Speaker 1>about like what we bring, what you're wearing, and you

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<v Speaker 1>said to me, I'm just going to bring like go

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<v Speaker 1>whole Coachella, right.

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<v Speaker 2>And I like, yeah, it's like a country I know.

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<v Speaker 1>But then I had to stop and call my daughter

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<v Speaker 1>Rachel and say, so, what would one where to Coachella

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<v Speaker 1>do such a thing? Anyway, said feathers and cowboy boots.

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<v Speaker 1>She didn't say this.

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<v Speaker 2>She didn't say bikinis.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, all right, you guys, but I am so excited,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, well obviously to be here at NAPA,

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<v Speaker 1>but to be with Kelly, because so Kelly bensimone, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure to most of you, but to me is iconic.

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<v Speaker 1>So Kelly goes back on New York Housewives. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>the years where it was I'm sorry, the golden years

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<v Speaker 1>to me, but your seasons on the Housewives were I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>no offense to anyone listening, the best of the best.

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<v Speaker 2>They were.

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<v Speaker 3>They really were, right, they were, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, Luena and I talk about it all the time

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<v Speaker 2>and how just the relationships that were nurtured during that

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<v Speaker 2>time were very raw and very real. I mean, do

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<v Speaker 2>you remember too, we didn't have social media, right, so

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<v Speaker 2>like everybody now, Like when I was on Ultimate Girls Ship,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, You're like, you're in a relationship with

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<v Speaker 2>social media. Yeah right, I'm not just the Housewives so true.

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<v Speaker 1>So it is so.

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<v Speaker 2>Different, so different. And the way that you play or

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<v Speaker 2>the way that I don't play to anybody. I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>like do myself, which is you know, bittersweet. But the

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<v Speaker 2>way that some of the ladies play to the camera

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<v Speaker 2>based on their social media following, it's really strong, and

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't pay attention. I'm like, if you like me,

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna like me. And if you don't like me,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe you like me someday.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the healthy way to do housewives right there. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's very unusual actually, but it's just you're right. There

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<v Speaker 1>was no the social media of it. There was none

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<v Speaker 1>of that back in the day. So like we would

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<v Speaker 1>watch an episode and whatever, get to work the next

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<v Speaker 1>morning and just go through. Like when Kelly said I'm

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<v Speaker 1>here and you're here, that was the best. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about that whatever. But you know, it was

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<v Speaker 1>like it was such a different thing.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's so funny because it was the Brass

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<v Speaker 2>Monkey and i'd been you know, there was like a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of waiting throughout the day of when we were

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to film, and I didn't realize this because I

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<v Speaker 2>did not watch the show. So I made a concerted

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<v Speaker 2>effort because they were like, this is reality TV and

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<v Speaker 2>I had been on I'd done had my own show before,

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<v Speaker 2>so I was like, Okay, I'm just.

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<v Speaker 3>Gonna be wake out what I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a show call behind the hedges where I

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<v Speaker 2>interviewed like the best of the best, and I went

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<v Speaker 2>shark diving. I was so much fun. I know that

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<v Speaker 2>it was great, it was really fun. But what happened

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<v Speaker 2>was as much fun as House was. House Lives is

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<v Speaker 2>a really really fun dynamic. Well, what happened that day

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<v Speaker 2>was that we were supposed to be filming, and what

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<v Speaker 2>I did not realize is that when she was doing interviews,

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<v Speaker 2>she was saying like she was setting me up. She

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<v Speaker 2>was she was not setting me up for me, she

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<v Speaker 2>was setting me up for the viewer. She was saying,

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<v Speaker 2>this is Kelly Bensimone. This is who she is. She

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<v Speaker 2>hates me. She's a you know, she's a bitch. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just a minion, you know, poor me. She's like the

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<v Speaker 2>cheerleader and things. She's amazing and I'm an awful, awful

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<v Speaker 2>And so she tried to set up this narrative and

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<v Speaker 2>then when I got there and she's like, I'm late.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just like, you are being so rude. You made

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<v Speaker 2>me wait all day long. You're a child. She just

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<v Speaker 2>acts like a child, and she continues to.

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<v Speaker 1>So I so, Kelly, and I just for the listeners.

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<v Speaker 1>So we now we've become friends. But before, we just

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<v Speaker 1>keep running into each other, right, I guess do iHeart Well.

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<v Speaker 2>We ran into each other on the on the Red

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<v Speaker 2>carpet at iHeart Radio, which was so much fun. But

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<v Speaker 2>then also at the movie premiere Amateur with Ronnie Oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, so we ran into each other there, and then we.

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<v Speaker 2>Did run into each other. We literally like had like

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<v Speaker 2>a melt down. Who you saw each other. We were

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<v Speaker 2>having so much fun. And by the way, Sonya Morgan,

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<v Speaker 2>who I love so much, She's the most spirited, beautiful human.

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<v Speaker 2>She and I said, Jen, you can't do you can't

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<v Speaker 2>do all that, you can't do all.

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<v Speaker 3>These I yes.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm like walking the red carpet and there's all

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<v Speaker 1>these paparazzi and I'm like trying to stop and like

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<v Speaker 1>push my way into them like a desperado. And Kelly

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<v Speaker 1>saved me. She's like, because it's like, so I look,

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<v Speaker 1>so whatever, just desperado.

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<v Speaker 2>That is not true. You did not look Janfessler there

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<v Speaker 2>last second, I was on the House size on New.

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<v Speaker 1>Jersey as a friend a two years but meanwhile Sonia

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<v Speaker 1>was working it and Kelly's like, just stand back. If

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<v Speaker 1>they come to you, they come to you. So one

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<v Speaker 1>of the first favors that Kelly did for me. But

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<v Speaker 1>then you introduced me to a photographer and you said, Jen,

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<v Speaker 1>this is why Beth and he hates me. Yes, this guy,

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<v Speaker 1>who I guess was is a photographer, nice guy, very

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<v Speaker 1>new I guess was at the time her boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 2>So he was taking photos of an event at my

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<v Speaker 2>house and she came with him and then I, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he wanted to see the house and he wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>go through it. So I mean, I know him very well.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was taking him through everything, and she like

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<v Speaker 2>literally got her panties in a wad and thought.

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<v Speaker 1>You were trying to steal her that No, no, no, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, we haven't like the bethany of it all.

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<v Speaker 1>Put it yeah, I won't put it on ice for

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<v Speaker 1>a few minutes because.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know what let's not put on ice is

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<v Speaker 2>that we were on this red carpet and you were

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<v Speaker 2>and I chatting up a storm. Everyone else is taking

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<v Speaker 2>photos like Laura's fish. Jan goes, I'm gonna eat the photo.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going a photo so and and your is so

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<v Speaker 2>sweet and he's like, are you into the photo? And

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, yeah, I'm like if whatever photo you

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<v Speaker 2>want you get like, you just get whatever phone. Kelly's like,

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<v Speaker 2>not a starker and I am.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I'm like, I am self proclaimed. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>are you thinking that I got dressed up? I spent

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred and fifty dollars on the makeup and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not getting a picture next to Laurence Fishburn.

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<v Speaker 2>It was his wife. His wife is so beautiful, and I.

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<v Speaker 1>Felt a little badly. She was a little scared. She's like,

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<v Speaker 1>your house like an animal was, Yeah, it was.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you look at the photo and you go,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, no, oh my god. So the problem

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<v Speaker 2>is with my husband's I was a very star man.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a he's an attorney.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a corporate attorney, securities or something, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>something uninteresting, but he like people trust him.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't know, how do you get through the day.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like literally like there was no you couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>even see us in the picture, and he didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>the wherewithal to say, guys whatever, any that's for a

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<v Speaker 1>different episode, but.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm sorry. One thing that I really really

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<v Speaker 2>love about you is that we've had all these funny,

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<v Speaker 2>fun things that have happened. So it's like Laurence Fishburne,

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<v Speaker 2>my carpet, Sonya, all these things. I heart radio. But

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<v Speaker 2>I remember distinctly we're waiting for Lawrence for you to

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<v Speaker 2>get hit the photo and I asked you guys about

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<v Speaker 2>your relationship because I did not know, and you were

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<v Speaker 2>so genuinely open right for that, and I just was

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<v Speaker 2>very taken aback and just like, oh my god, what.

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<v Speaker 2>You're such a beautiful human because you're just so vulnerable.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's something, it's the truth, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>something that I've learned from being on this podcast. From

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<v Speaker 2>and I do part two, I've learned to be open

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<v Speaker 2>and I've learned to be more vulnerable and it's helped

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<v Speaker 2>me out so much in my personal life so much.

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<v Speaker 2>But you are just inherently very vulnerable, and it's a

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful thing. You know.

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<v Speaker 3>It used to feel more vulnerable.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it feels like like when you start to share stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>it starts to feel like a strength. Like in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>So if I tell you my shit, and there's lots

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<v Speaker 1>of it, right whoever it is, I find it like

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<v Speaker 1>immediately you'll start opening up then to me, So you

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<v Speaker 1>like connect with people differently.

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<v Speaker 2>But the other piece is you don't do it at

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<v Speaker 2>a time that's strategic. You just are not open, which

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<v Speaker 2>is so disarming, and just like women or not like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Women are just not like that. They don't just jump

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<v Speaker 2>into friendships because they're like, I don't know you, who

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<v Speaker 2>are you? You know, give me your bio. I might say,

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<v Speaker 2>okay for me to friends with you. I mean, you're

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<v Speaker 2>just very disarming. And it really like, that was a

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<v Speaker 2>really fun night. It's the truth. It was a really

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<v Speaker 2>fun night. But I was also like, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was also I learned something from that small

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<v Speaker 2>little moment, which most people like, you know, I just

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<v Speaker 2>listen to what you guys were saying, and that how

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<v Speaker 2>you guys had had your differences and how you were

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<v Speaker 2>back together. And I also thought that was incredible because

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<v Speaker 2>most people, most relationships, women or men are just like,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not doing what I like, I'm just gonna get

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<v Speaker 2>rid of you. Yeah, And basically that is what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you can say it however you want. You

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<v Speaker 2>can say they were uncoupling, they were doing this whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>But most men and women they're just like, you're just

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<v Speaker 2>not You're not you're not filling this void. You're done

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<v Speaker 2>and you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we definitely, I mean went through so much Mutch Definitely,

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<v Speaker 1>we definitely did go through a lot. And I get

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<v Speaker 1>very also very lucky and I can do you know

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<v Speaker 1>something because you're good Kelly. On.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the thing. This is how you know she's a person.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but here's how you know that Kelly is a host,

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<v Speaker 1>she's not just a guest. On I do part two?

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<v Speaker 1>You have in three minutes you have switched this entire thing.

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<v Speaker 1>This is about you, And all of a sudden, I

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<v Speaker 1>know this is like what No? Like clearly that's why

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<v Speaker 1>they have made you a host. What else do you

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<v Speaker 1>want to know about me?

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<v Speaker 2>Kelly? No, tell me about me.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll tell you anything about my marriage for house.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you want to know about me? Well, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just thinking, I mean thinking.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's honestly, and by the way, I don't always.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe you should be on New York maybe if I

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<v Speaker 2>if there is this you do I can't that's the dream.

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<v Speaker 1>But and then I'm going to ask you a question

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to relate directly to my next statement, which

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<v Speaker 1>is that I would want to be on Old New York.

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<v Speaker 1>And now I want to ask you about New New York.

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<v Speaker 1>So tell me what you think in terms of the

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<v Speaker 1>last two seasons.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't think that this is even insulting.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's pretty well knowned it has didn't resonate

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<v Speaker 1>the same way that the reboot has not resonated, like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Old New York, And why do you think

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<v Speaker 1>that is?

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<v Speaker 2>I think one of the reasons that the reboot it

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<v Speaker 2>does not resonated is because women are so focused on

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<v Speaker 2>their brands, and I don't even know what brands are

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<v Speaker 2>talking about. I've never even heard of any of their brands.

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<v Speaker 2>I love Jenna Lyons. I had no idea that she

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<v Speaker 2>had eyelashes. I didn't I didn't even know she before.

0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:47.160
<v Speaker 2>I had no idea. So I've never even heard of

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<v Speaker 2>any of these brands. And that was that also just

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<v Speaker 2>rubbed me wrong because when I went on the show,

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<v Speaker 2>I was recently divorced, I had two young children. I

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<v Speaker 2>was single, very very very single, and I was is

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<v Speaker 2>literally like they were like, don't talk of being single

0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:05.800
<v Speaker 2>because it's not it's not cool. It's not cool to

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<v Speaker 2>be a single parent, Like that's not sexy. I'm like, well,

0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:13.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm not even forty yet, and I'm I think of

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<v Speaker 2>myself as attractive. Yeah, and they were like no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>like you need to be a certain way and you

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<v Speaker 2>need to have your hair blown out. I'm like, well,

0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:25.520
<v Speaker 2>sometimes my hair gets blown. Sometimes my hair is dirty

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<v Speaker 2>four days.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, welcome, welcome, that's the trick, ladies. So it's so

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<v Speaker 1>funny when you see the brand thing because.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's just weird. I mean, I'm like, brand, what

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<v Speaker 2>are you talking.

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<v Speaker 1>Because some people so I've had me like.

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<v Speaker 3>Like that's not on brand for me, or I don't

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<v Speaker 3>want to.

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<v Speaker 1>Do or like with it, even even endorsements like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to do that, it's not on brand. I'm thinking, well,

0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:51.719
<v Speaker 1>my brand is making money, so if you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>pay me, it's going to be on brand. And I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm not. I don't not everything is for sale,

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<v Speaker 1>but like the brand, I don't even know what that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what that means either, that does not

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<v Speaker 2>I mean and believe me, I mean I was the

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<v Speaker 2>editor of multiple magazines. I think I know what's a

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<v Speaker 2>brand and what's not a brand. And I can tell

0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:12.000
<v Speaker 2>you that if someone's telling you that they have a brand,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't have a brand.

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<v Speaker 3>So you think that's what happened with the housewives with

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<v Speaker 3>the news.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was just like they were so they

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<v Speaker 2>were so caught up in what they thought they should

0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:29.520
<v Speaker 2>look like, and then they didn't realize that you're in

0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:35.800
<v Speaker 2>high deff television, right, and every single facial expression, everything

0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:42.319
<v Speaker 2>that you do is like magnified. So even if they

0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:44.679
<v Speaker 2>thought they were being chic and cool, they came off

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<v Speaker 2>cross as like totally douchey.

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<v Speaker 1>So funny because I also feel like they were maybe

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<v Speaker 1>because they were trying to be on brand.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't think they'll be many mean girls. I

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<v Speaker 2>think I've met them. I've met them. I like a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of them. But I'm interrupt you for one thing.

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<v Speaker 2>We did this thing at page six, and I met

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<v Speaker 2>a few of them. We were doing behind the scenes,

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<v Speaker 2>like some TikTok stuff. We're supposed to be having fun.

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<v Speaker 2>If you were behind the scenes with the core og

0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:16.199
<v Speaker 2>group of housewives, they would be literally clawing each other's

0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:20.080
<v Speaker 2>eyes out to talk to the producer get more time.

0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:23.360
<v Speaker 2>They'd be like asking questions while the person was being

0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:25.800
<v Speaker 2>interviewed by X, Y or Z person. They would be

0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:30.440
<v Speaker 2>doing absolutely anything to get themselves out and about and

0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:32.400
<v Speaker 2>to create as much drama so that they could be

0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:36.040
<v Speaker 2>the talk of whatever. That polet was right. These girls

0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:39.280
<v Speaker 2>are like in the corner. I like, I literally, after

0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:42.040
<v Speaker 2>I did my interview, I went to find them. When

0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:45.720
<v Speaker 2>they're sitting there, They're like, okay bye. I was like, oh, okay,

0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:49.280
<v Speaker 2>bye bye. Guys. Wow, that's so interesting. I was like,

0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:52.680
<v Speaker 2>what are you doing? Like, let's go. Let's like even

0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:55.080
<v Speaker 2>in the TikTok, I'm the I mean, okay, I'm an

0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:59.240
<v Speaker 2>inherently animated human. But I was like, I look like

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<v Speaker 2>I I'm like, I don't know, like I'm the Mickey

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<v Speaker 2>Mouse Club.

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<v Speaker 1>But don't you think that's because they are so And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't blame them. I was on Jersey for two seasons,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was in my head not all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>but a lot of the time. Because it's a different time,

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<v Speaker 1>right there is social media, and we have, as newbies,

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<v Speaker 1>watched those that came before us and seen what they've

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<v Speaker 1>gone through, and we've watched the pain that they've experienced.

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<v Speaker 2>I was never in my head because I'm not in

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<v Speaker 2>my head well, because you can see right now I'm

0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:31.720
<v Speaker 2>not in my head.

0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:35.440
<v Speaker 1>Because also I think that let's take you out of it.

0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:37.680
<v Speaker 1>There's also you didn't know what you were getting into.

0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:40.120
<v Speaker 2>Well, we're going to always keep you in it.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'm talking about OG in New York. They didn't know.

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<v Speaker 1>There was no precedent, so they were just getting fucked

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<v Speaker 1>up and getting drunk and fighting and having fun and

0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:51.600
<v Speaker 1>it was so real. And now I think it's just

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<v Speaker 1>it's a different time because of social media obviously, so

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<v Speaker 1>I think, like, like, maybe personalities are a little more tempered.

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<v Speaker 1>And I am guilty of it as well, right right,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that I did the best that I could

0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:09.600
<v Speaker 1>to be authentic, but there was something about the ogs.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. And maybe you're on housewives. You're not

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<v Speaker 2>on Netflix, you're not on Lifetime, You're you're on Housewives

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<v Speaker 2>of New York. You are supposed to be in the

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<v Speaker 2>most glamorous city, doing the most glamorous things and interacting

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<v Speaker 2>in a way that's so raw and real, because that's

0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:32.040
<v Speaker 2>what's sexy about New York, Like when you want sex

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<v Speaker 2>in the city. One of the reasons that we love

0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:36.640
<v Speaker 2>sex and the city outside of the fashion and was

0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:40.400
<v Speaker 2>like that was cute. We loved the rawness, we loved

0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:44.320
<v Speaker 2>the realness. We loved even though it's not that wasn't reality.

0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:45.640
<v Speaker 2>That's what people are, So.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what you think. That's the difference. Think between Old

0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:49.280
<v Speaker 3>New York and New New York.

0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:52.560
<v Speaker 1>Hundred percent there's a rawness and rawness that is not there.

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<v Speaker 3>And do you think that's because of the social media.

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<v Speaker 2>Of it all. I definitely think it's because of the

0:16:57.320 --> 0:16:59.680
<v Speaker 2>social media. But I also think that it's because that

0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:03.480
<v Speaker 2>they these women are seeing so much, so much other programming,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're trying to make themselves brand into a brand,

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<v Speaker 2>and it doesn't happen like that. I mean, people like

0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:14.600
<v Speaker 2>you because they just like you, whether you're the prettiest girl,

0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:17.760
<v Speaker 2>whether you're the ugliest girl, whether you're like whatever. It is.

0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:23.480
<v Speaker 2>People just like people who are real that they could

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<v Speaker 2>be like, you know what, I'm like her, Oh my god,

0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:28.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm like her. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I think that's so true.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's a good, bad or ugly like I

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<v Speaker 1>think about Jersey, and I think about like Jersey was

0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:39.560
<v Speaker 1>has been a success for so many years because good,

0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:41.840
<v Speaker 1>bad or ugly these women were who they are.

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<v Speaker 2>And the dynamic between the families.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, but everyone seeing the families the families, yes, of course,

0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:52.120
<v Speaker 1>but also these women, it didn't matter like the cameras

0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:54.720
<v Speaker 1>were up or the cameras were down. They loved each

0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:56.919
<v Speaker 1>other or they hated each other, and there was no

0:17:57.680 --> 0:17:58.199
<v Speaker 1>faking it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean, you guys are a great cast. So

0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:04.119
<v Speaker 2>when we were at Bravo Khan, hanging out with you

0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:07.840
<v Speaker 2>guys was so much fun. Like, you guys are like

0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:11.520
<v Speaker 2>real and like I remember meeting Joe Gorga at the

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<v Speaker 2>first time on a plane. I didn't even I never

0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:16.280
<v Speaker 2>met him before, and he was like, let me help

0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:19.399
<v Speaker 2>you with your bag. He's a very he's very very

0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:23.719
<v Speaker 2>gentle human, very really really nice guy. And Melissa, like

0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:25.679
<v Speaker 2>I do a lot of stuff with her. Margaret josephs.

0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:28.160
<v Speaker 2>I love her. We have a lot of friends in common.

0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:31.960
<v Speaker 2>She's a baller. I don't know if you like her.

0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:34.040
<v Speaker 2>I love I love her my close friends, and I

0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:35.760
<v Speaker 2>just love how real she is. And then she talks

0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:37.639
<v Speaker 2>about everything that she does, she talks about and I

0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:40.520
<v Speaker 2>think that's really I mean, it's really important, especially when

0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:42.119
<v Speaker 2>you're you know, getting older.

0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:51.960
<v Speaker 1>There's also there's something about these characters, these humans, Dolores, Melissa, Margaret,

0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:59.200
<v Speaker 1>it's these women and all of them, Jackie, Danielle, Rachel, Teresa,

0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:02.760
<v Speaker 1>j God, I'm gonna I forget someone and then who

0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:06.800
<v Speaker 1>am I forgetting? Yelle Teresa? Anyway, But these women are

0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:10.520
<v Speaker 1>all they're all, but they're all individually a little cucka.

0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:12.960
<v Speaker 3>They're all a little crazy, including me.

0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:16.440
<v Speaker 2>Well it's the genesis of the of the of the show.

0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:18.720
<v Speaker 2>And they are. Yes, we can't work with each other,

0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:22.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, every single day and talk to each other

0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:25.879
<v Speaker 2>and be filming to get with each other and talking,

0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:27.879
<v Speaker 2>talking and filming and talking and filming and talking and

0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:31.879
<v Speaker 2>filming and talking and filming, and it's like the worst reality.

0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:36.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, but I think that it's there's no like

0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:40.800
<v Speaker 1>at some point Jersey just everybody said, we're completely fucking

0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:44.080
<v Speaker 1>crazy and we're just gonna go with it, like there's

0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:47.520
<v Speaker 1>no more. We can't pretend there's no brand. There's just

0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:50.440
<v Speaker 1>we are all a bunch of hot, fucking messes. And

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<v Speaker 1>but that's I think. I feel like that's what worked

0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:55.159
<v Speaker 1>with New York too, Like there's no I don't know

0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:58.359
<v Speaker 1>what whatever whoever's trying to sell. Whatever they're trying to sell,

0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:03.280
<v Speaker 1>whether it be eyelashes or toaster ovens, I don't know.

0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:06.720
<v Speaker 1>But that's not what's interesting, right, what's interesting is these

0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:10.119
<v Speaker 1>women and the fact that they're messy, and the fact

0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:13.440
<v Speaker 1>that they actually like in the moment, like they hate

0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:15.840
<v Speaker 1>each other or they're laughing at and they adore each other.

0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:18.640
<v Speaker 3>That chemistry is hard to find, and I.

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<v Speaker 1>Think that the ogs of New York did it perfectly

0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:23.840
<v Speaker 1>and very hard to get that back.

0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:27.679
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I wouldn't know perfectly. I just again, I

0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:31.640
<v Speaker 2>think it's also what we have that's different is that

0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:36.000
<v Speaker 2>we get out of a taxi and you open that

0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:39.880
<v Speaker 2>door and the volume of New York and the smell

0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:44.399
<v Speaker 2>and it's just it's very just authentically gritty. And so

0:20:45.000 --> 0:20:48.919
<v Speaker 2>just before you've even walked into you know, into like

0:20:49.040 --> 0:20:52.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, your cocktails or whatever, you have to really

0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:55.840
<v Speaker 2>like kind of you kind of like you, yes, get

0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:58.800
<v Speaker 2>through it, and so like you're like, okay, but yes,

0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:02.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna be vulnerable, right, But there has.

0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:04.720
<v Speaker 3>To be commonality between New York. Think about it. So

0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:09.560
<v Speaker 3>New York to Dubai fancy to Beverly Hills, you guys.

0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:13.560
<v Speaker 2>Are fancy, your houses are beautiful. New York, you guys

0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:16.840
<v Speaker 2>are really dressed well like Jersey. Yes, I mean New

0:21:16.920 --> 0:21:20.120
<v Speaker 2>York women are not well dressed. They're not I don't

0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:22.040
<v Speaker 2>come from a lot of money. They don't. I don't

0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:22.280
<v Speaker 2>know what.

0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:23.840
<v Speaker 3>Wait, whoa whoa whoa whoa?

0:21:23.920 --> 0:21:28.679
<v Speaker 1>What don't you just say notorious for being the worst dressed.

0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:30.879
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry. You guys always look great. You guys are

0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:33.760
<v Speaker 2>always that point. Agree, You're always like you guys are

0:21:33.800 --> 0:21:35.639
<v Speaker 2>like the Kardashians of the housewise.

0:21:36.640 --> 0:21:39.639
<v Speaker 1>To Kelly, you are losing me fast. What are you

0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:40.520
<v Speaker 1>talking about?

0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:44.159
<v Speaker 2>You guys are like in your range rovers, your gorgeous houses.

0:21:44.760 --> 0:21:46.000
<v Speaker 2>You're always dressed.

0:21:46.200 --> 0:21:49.960
<v Speaker 1>Hold on, I agree, how on Jersey people have We

0:21:50.040 --> 0:21:53.840
<v Speaker 1>have beautiful homes, and I agree with you. But I

0:21:53.880 --> 0:21:55.480
<v Speaker 1>am telling you you and I are the only ones

0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:56.760
<v Speaker 1>that agree.

0:21:57.440 --> 0:21:59.720
<v Speaker 3>People think that Jersey is the worst dress.

0:21:59.800 --> 0:22:03.320
<v Speaker 1>That tackiest have to just do with the fact that,

0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:06.080
<v Speaker 1>of course, it's like Jerseys don't to be Jersey.

0:22:06.119 --> 0:22:09.680
<v Speaker 2>It's Sopranos country, it's you know. I disagree. I think

0:22:09.680 --> 0:22:13.880
<v Speaker 2>that you guys are all love We're like, I mean,

0:22:14.080 --> 0:22:16.119
<v Speaker 2>New Yorkers are like, guys, hello, do you guys have

0:22:16.160 --> 0:22:17.879
<v Speaker 2>a job, Like, where's the cash? Shit?

0:22:19.600 --> 0:22:19.679
<v Speaker 1>What?

0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:22.000
<v Speaker 2>Really? I was like, Oh, I'm rich.

0:22:22.080 --> 0:22:28.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, okay, wow, that is Jersey, New York, California.

0:22:28.600 --> 0:22:33.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh see, no, it's a lot of showmanship and there's

0:22:33.040 --> 0:22:34.800
<v Speaker 1>not always a lot to back that up. So I

0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:37.800
<v Speaker 1>think that's a housewise Housewives that's notorious for that, but.

0:22:38.440 --> 0:22:40.399
<v Speaker 2>Someone like me, that's I mean, that's another reason I

0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:43.199
<v Speaker 2>love Everet Hills is because I love I love that,

0:22:43.400 --> 0:22:46.040
<v Speaker 2>Like the women will go and be like, I'm going

0:22:46.080 --> 0:22:47.879
<v Speaker 2>to get a present for my daughter and they like

0:22:48.280 --> 0:22:52.439
<v Speaker 2>drop like thirty grand on themselves. I think that's amazing, right, Like,

0:22:52.560 --> 0:22:54.879
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I would never do that for my daughters.

0:22:54.920 --> 0:22:57.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean I'm like, you know, I want them to

0:22:57.920 --> 0:23:00.919
<v Speaker 2>have like personal respect and like if they want they

0:23:01.000 --> 0:23:03.399
<v Speaker 2>get a gift, I want them to like, you know,

0:23:03.520 --> 0:23:06.199
<v Speaker 2>be really really excited about it. I don't just like

0:23:06.520 --> 0:23:09.639
<v Speaker 2>throw money at them. But I love that as.

0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:15.760
<v Speaker 1>Like to watch it as I love to watch your kids,

0:23:15.800 --> 0:23:27.720
<v Speaker 1>just not my kids, not for me. Let's just like

0:23:28.440 --> 0:23:30.919
<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about Jersey and New York quickly. What do

0:23:30.920 --> 0:23:32.480
<v Speaker 1>you see is the best scenario.

0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:34.120
<v Speaker 2>Moving forward for both? Is it a mix of old

0:23:34.119 --> 0:23:34.480
<v Speaker 2>and new?

0:23:35.160 --> 0:23:38.560
<v Speaker 3>If so, is there anything specific you would like to suggest?

0:23:38.640 --> 0:23:41.919
<v Speaker 2>Definitely a mix between old and new. I mean I

0:23:41.960 --> 0:23:44.680
<v Speaker 2>know I should go back. I've heard of course, yeah,

0:23:44.680 --> 0:23:48.200
<v Speaker 2>of course, I mean now now not now because people

0:23:48.200 --> 0:23:53.440
<v Speaker 2>have seen that like real is cool, like not real

0:23:53.640 --> 0:23:55.680
<v Speaker 2>is uncool, Like they're finally getting that.

0:23:55.720 --> 0:23:58.040
<v Speaker 3>Would you go back with your old cast?

0:23:58.160 --> 0:24:00.240
<v Speaker 2>Would you go back with Bethany? Ever?

0:24:00.320 --> 0:24:00.399
<v Speaker 1>No?

0:24:00.480 --> 0:24:00.800
<v Speaker 4>I never.

0:24:03.040 --> 0:24:07.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, would you go on? Yes? Would you no? Yeah? No?

0:24:07.560 --> 0:24:10.800
<v Speaker 2>And she can't film anyway she's But you know, it's

0:24:10.840 --> 0:24:13.240
<v Speaker 2>interesting because when when I talked about the list that

0:24:13.280 --> 0:24:16.040
<v Speaker 2>I sent to Andy, one person was like, oh my god,

0:24:16.200 --> 0:24:19.240
<v Speaker 2>she always calls Andy. That is not true. I literally

0:24:19.280 --> 0:24:20.960
<v Speaker 2>I never call him. I don't even have a cell

0:24:20.960 --> 0:24:25.320
<v Speaker 2>phone number. I texted him one time because his daughter

0:24:25.440 --> 0:24:29.040
<v Speaker 2>was so unbelievably adorable, and then his another time I

0:24:29.119 --> 0:24:31.920
<v Speaker 2>sent his I sent them this like really cute teddy

0:24:31.920 --> 0:24:35.240
<v Speaker 2>bear and his son is so cute. So like I

0:24:35.320 --> 0:24:37.760
<v Speaker 2>never text Himbout. Well, by the way, I do know.

0:24:38.480 --> 0:24:40.600
<v Speaker 1>I do know that a lot of housewives do have

0:24:40.640 --> 0:24:43.080
<v Speaker 1>his cell number and do text him. I mean, it's

0:24:43.080 --> 0:24:45.760
<v Speaker 1>not like I don't know what a regular I don't know.

0:24:45.800 --> 0:24:46.639
<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying.

0:24:47.320 --> 0:24:50.680
<v Speaker 3>I do have his cell number, and I text him

0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:52.520
<v Speaker 3>once and never again.

0:24:52.640 --> 0:24:55.280
<v Speaker 2>You don't worry. Do his photo do a photo of him?

0:24:55.760 --> 0:24:57.639
<v Speaker 2>Like what do you mean? Like a not like on

0:24:57.800 --> 0:25:00.480
<v Speaker 2>your mantle? But do you have like a photo of

0:25:00.520 --> 0:25:01.600
<v Speaker 2>you guys together.

0:25:01.640 --> 0:25:06.600
<v Speaker 1>Not framed, not for like it's not like all the

0:25:06.600 --> 0:25:09.159
<v Speaker 1>photos of the people you have like you that's the

0:25:09.280 --> 0:25:13.360
<v Speaker 1>side of all these famous people. Literally what you're talking about,

0:25:13.359 --> 0:25:15.919
<v Speaker 1>because I'm a literally and right I'm telling you my

0:25:15.960 --> 0:25:18.760
<v Speaker 1>friend Shary, my best friend is here right now, I

0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:22.480
<v Speaker 1>was telling Kelly earlier. So Shary used to take me

0:25:22.560 --> 0:25:24.520
<v Speaker 1>and are their best friend from college to the Grammys

0:25:24.520 --> 0:25:27.600
<v Speaker 1>every year because Sharry is Shary and her husband is

0:25:27.640 --> 0:25:29.440
<v Speaker 1>this big studio exect and we used to go to

0:25:29.480 --> 0:25:32.679
<v Speaker 1>the Grammys every year until literally like we were like maybe.

0:25:32.400 --> 0:25:33.280
<v Speaker 3>Three or four years in.

0:25:33.760 --> 0:25:36.120
<v Speaker 1>Remember, and there was a security guy and I guess

0:25:36.160 --> 0:25:38.720
<v Speaker 1>he worked there year after year who and I would

0:25:38.760 --> 0:25:41.200
<v Speaker 1>be and he was like, I'm done. Like he walked

0:25:41.240 --> 0:25:43.840
<v Speaker 1>up to us and he was like, I know your

0:25:43.880 --> 0:25:44.560
<v Speaker 1>game now.

0:25:44.560 --> 0:25:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Like this is like this is after years of us

0:25:47.040 --> 0:25:53.080
<v Speaker 2>going on, You're you're like a gorgeous brunette, which I

0:25:53.200 --> 0:25:54.040
<v Speaker 2>was not obvious.

0:25:54.520 --> 0:25:57.320
<v Speaker 1>I was only eyes because I was so annoying, and

0:25:57.320 --> 0:25:59.479
<v Speaker 1>I would like go over and I would be like

0:26:00.080 --> 0:26:00.800
<v Speaker 1>reading out, like.

0:26:00.960 --> 0:26:04.960
<v Speaker 3>No, you had no choice.

0:26:05.280 --> 0:26:06.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm all right.

0:26:06.440 --> 0:26:09.640
<v Speaker 3>We digressed, We digressed. I have a question for you, Yes.

0:26:10.440 --> 0:26:13.440
<v Speaker 2>If you could get your photo taken with any housewife,

0:26:13.440 --> 0:26:14.120
<v Speaker 2>who would it be?

0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:23.320
<v Speaker 3>I mean, Kelly Bensmo, any housewife? Let me think. No,

0:26:23.480 --> 0:26:26.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, it's like that, if you'd asked me.

0:26:26.880 --> 0:26:30.200
<v Speaker 1>That four years ago. I mean, first of all, I

0:26:30.200 --> 0:26:31.840
<v Speaker 1>would have just been in heaven. I would have just

0:26:31.840 --> 0:26:33.680
<v Speaker 1>started drooling out of the left side of my mouth

0:26:33.760 --> 0:26:36.760
<v Speaker 1>thinking about me getting a photo with I don't know,

0:26:37.040 --> 0:26:40.760
<v Speaker 1>Kyle Richards or you know what. Okay, I know, I

0:26:40.800 --> 0:26:45.639
<v Speaker 1>know because I was gonna say yes. But I've gotten

0:26:46.119 --> 0:26:48.919
<v Speaker 1>a few pictures now, so it's different. But if you

0:26:48.960 --> 0:26:51.119
<v Speaker 1>ask me right now, the one that I haven't gotten

0:26:51.119 --> 0:26:53.520
<v Speaker 1>and that I would give the most, take with, Yes,

0:26:54.280 --> 0:26:55.280
<v Speaker 1>Lisa vander Pump.

0:26:56.280 --> 0:27:01.560
<v Speaker 2>I love me some Lisa van I really I knew it.

0:27:01.680 --> 0:27:03.040
<v Speaker 2>I always die from her.

0:27:03.160 --> 0:27:06.200
<v Speaker 1>I just did the way her hair would just flip back,

0:27:06.240 --> 0:27:07.960
<v Speaker 1>and she was so everything.

0:27:08.119 --> 0:27:10.840
<v Speaker 3>The lipstick was first. I think she's she's Jacqueline Smith.

0:27:11.640 --> 0:27:12.879
<v Speaker 2>I totally agree, right.

0:27:13.119 --> 0:27:16.240
<v Speaker 1>She was the most beautiful and like, maybe a little

0:27:16.240 --> 0:27:19.359
<v Speaker 1>older than the rest of the Jackson people say you that, No,

0:27:19.800 --> 0:27:22.080
<v Speaker 1>she was the least pretty of the angels.

0:27:22.080 --> 0:27:22.480
<v Speaker 2>Take it.

0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:26.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's your fair faucet, and you know it. Anyway,

0:27:26.600 --> 0:27:28.760
<v Speaker 1>so thanks, thanks Helene.

0:27:28.760 --> 0:27:29.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm k j.

0:27:32.320 --> 0:27:32.359
<v Speaker 1>J.

0:27:32.840 --> 0:27:33.359
<v Speaker 2>She's hot.

0:27:34.200 --> 0:27:37.000
<v Speaker 1>I thought she's hot. She is, Yeah, she was like

0:27:37.040 --> 0:27:38.680
<v Speaker 1>the brainiac. She wasn't the hot one.

0:27:38.680 --> 0:27:41.760
<v Speaker 2>But whatever. Anyway, all right, so.

0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:44.320
<v Speaker 3>Ultimate Girl's Trip, Which, what did you think?

0:27:44.520 --> 0:27:45.440
<v Speaker 2>Ultimate Girls Trip?

0:27:46.680 --> 0:27:49.360
<v Speaker 3>I loved every second.

0:27:49.040 --> 0:27:52.160
<v Speaker 2>Of it, did I really. It was such a great trip.

0:27:52.520 --> 0:27:56.880
<v Speaker 1>I thought it was so much fun to watch them.

0:27:57.040 --> 0:28:01.480
<v Speaker 2>I kept telling them, you guys, you're missing the narrative.

0:28:01.800 --> 0:28:04.520
<v Speaker 2>I think this guy is going to ask me to

0:28:04.520 --> 0:28:08.040
<v Speaker 2>get married. He's sent me all these love notes with

0:28:08.160 --> 0:28:11.960
<v Speaker 2>photos that I was reading to Derinda, and instead of

0:28:12.000 --> 0:28:14.760
<v Speaker 2>a following my lead, they were like, no, no, we're gonna

0:28:14.760 --> 0:28:16.439
<v Speaker 2>try this to make this into Scary Island. I'm like,

0:28:16.440 --> 0:28:19.359
<v Speaker 2>it didn't. It didn't work. So there was a lot

0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:21.320
<v Speaker 2>of people didn't even know what scary Island was.

0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:24.720
<v Speaker 3>Then they were like, we're not doesn't know what's scary Island?

0:28:24.800 --> 0:28:26.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, because he just they don't. I guess they don't

0:28:26.880 --> 0:28:28.600
<v Speaker 2>want to know him because they're like, oh my god,

0:28:28.640 --> 0:28:32.679
<v Speaker 2>it was such an iconic moment, and they're like, but

0:28:32.840 --> 0:28:37.639
<v Speaker 2>one of my favorite favorite favorite moments on Ultimate Girl's

0:28:37.720 --> 0:28:41.440
<v Speaker 2>Trip is that we go and do this water therapy

0:28:43.080 --> 0:28:47.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm remembering water therapy and they're in like ther bikinis.

0:28:47.760 --> 0:28:49.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I'm not gonna wear a bikini. I'm gonna

0:28:49.160 --> 0:28:52.440
<v Speaker 2>wear a one piece. I literally it was so warm

0:28:52.520 --> 0:28:55.640
<v Speaker 2>and I was in this velvet blue velvet one piece

0:28:58.840 --> 0:29:01.760
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like looking up with my eyes are closed

0:29:01.800 --> 0:29:03.920
<v Speaker 2>and I see the sun and it's like these lips

0:29:04.040 --> 0:29:06.880
<v Speaker 2>are trying to kiss me. And with the movement of

0:29:06.920 --> 0:29:11.120
<v Speaker 2>the water, I was like, I am so wildly horning.

0:29:11.600 --> 0:29:13.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what to do with myself. And I

0:29:13.440 --> 0:29:15.160
<v Speaker 2>get out of the water, and first of all, the

0:29:15.200 --> 0:29:16.959
<v Speaker 2>guy that was moving me around was just like a

0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:19.959
<v Speaker 2>smoke show. I get out of the water, I was like,

0:29:20.280 --> 0:29:23.280
<v Speaker 2>oh my god. I'm like this guy is so hot.

0:29:23.800 --> 0:29:27.840
<v Speaker 2>And like Luanne and durindare like I love my mother.

0:29:27.880 --> 0:29:32.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm like I'm like, no, no, no, no, my mother was

0:29:32.400 --> 0:29:37.520
<v Speaker 2>not in the water. I am so wildly horny. And

0:29:37.560 --> 0:29:40.680
<v Speaker 2>they were looking at me like I had fifteen heads

0:29:40.720 --> 0:29:44.000
<v Speaker 2>that I didn't have a cathartic. I get my own cathartic.

0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:49.560
<v Speaker 1>But I'm trying to wait. But I'm thinking, like you

0:29:49.640 --> 0:29:52.000
<v Speaker 1>just said that, like they missed it. They missed the

0:29:52.000 --> 0:29:55.320
<v Speaker 1>bar where your boyfriend your fiance at the time you

0:29:55.320 --> 0:29:57.400
<v Speaker 1>were reading. I know you, I remember you reading the

0:29:57.440 --> 0:30:00.240
<v Speaker 1>love letters from him, but you already maybe not so

0:30:00.400 --> 0:30:04.280
<v Speaker 1>much into him, and we missed broken up. You were

0:30:04.280 --> 0:30:06.160
<v Speaker 1>about to get married. I thought we were.

0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:10.600
<v Speaker 2>Broken up, and then he was like really really, really pushing,

0:30:10.800 --> 0:30:12.240
<v Speaker 2>and they definitely didn't catch that.

0:30:12.240 --> 0:30:12.520
<v Speaker 1>That was.

0:30:14.160 --> 0:30:16.840
<v Speaker 3>I got you and Kristin Takeman arguing.

0:30:17.640 --> 0:30:20.080
<v Speaker 2>I mean, christ we were arguing. I was actually like,

0:30:20.760 --> 0:30:23.200
<v Speaker 2>tell me what the situation is. Let's talk it through.

0:30:23.440 --> 0:30:27.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you can you sit there with her for hours? Hours? Yeah, Christen,

0:30:29.040 --> 0:30:31.680
<v Speaker 2>one thing, please, Okay, I want to ask you. It's

0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:34.360
<v Speaker 2>frustrating to sit with her for hours. You couldn't get it.

0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:37.280
<v Speaker 2>So wait, it's very frustrating on this and she's a

0:30:37.320 --> 0:30:38.640
<v Speaker 2>literally human.

0:30:38.400 --> 0:30:41.880
<v Speaker 1>Yes, but she just just she couldn't make it happen

0:30:41.920 --> 0:30:42.160
<v Speaker 1>with her.

0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:43.640
<v Speaker 2>She'd be like if you and I were in a

0:30:43.640 --> 0:30:47.239
<v Speaker 2>scene talking, she would like leave and run upstairs and

0:30:47.280 --> 0:30:50.040
<v Speaker 2>go talk to the camera. And I'm like, and do

0:30:50.160 --> 0:30:53.000
<v Speaker 2>her own testimonial. I'm like, no, no, no, no. In the middle

0:30:53.040 --> 0:30:55.680
<v Speaker 2>of We're here, this is this is, this is the show.

0:30:55.720 --> 0:30:56.440
<v Speaker 2>We're here.

0:30:56.480 --> 0:30:59.960
<v Speaker 1>I have a question for you very myself.

0:30:59.720 --> 0:31:01.760
<v Speaker 3>Because you're a model and she's a model.

0:31:02.400 --> 0:31:04.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm curious because you and I have touched on this

0:31:04.680 --> 0:31:09.360
<v Speaker 1>a little bit personally, but like the modeling thing on Housewives.

0:31:09.400 --> 0:31:12.200
<v Speaker 1>First of all, going into Housewives as a model, do

0:31:12.240 --> 0:31:17.040
<v Speaker 1>you think that is a helper a hindrance? And also

0:31:18.200 --> 0:31:21.760
<v Speaker 1>I know that modeling is can be tough for a

0:31:21.760 --> 0:31:23.240
<v Speaker 1>lot of reasons, and you and I have spoken a

0:31:23.320 --> 0:31:26.400
<v Speaker 1>little bit about this, but but show me some parallels

0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:27.160
<v Speaker 1>in terms of like.

0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:31.160
<v Speaker 2>Being on Housewives. It's super triggering for me. I don't

0:31:31.200 --> 0:31:32.640
<v Speaker 2>know about for her, but for me it was very

0:31:32.680 --> 0:31:34.800
<v Speaker 2>triggering because you know, I started modeling when I was

0:31:34.880 --> 0:31:37.800
<v Speaker 2>so young, and people were like, you're fat, you're ugly,

0:31:37.880 --> 0:31:40.240
<v Speaker 2>you're too tall, your hair's too short, your boosters too big,

0:31:40.240 --> 0:31:44.360
<v Speaker 2>You're to this, you're to that. It's just a constant, constant, constant,

0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:48.280
<v Speaker 2>every single day. You're just never good enough. And so

0:31:48.320 --> 0:31:50.880
<v Speaker 2>when I went on Housewives and like I'll never forget

0:31:50.880 --> 0:31:53.040
<v Speaker 2>the first air, Mona Center called me a scarecrow and

0:31:53.080 --> 0:31:54.840
<v Speaker 2>I was like a scarecrow and then she's like, yeah,

0:31:54.880 --> 0:31:57.479
<v Speaker 2>you have no brains. I'm like, I'm the most educated

0:31:57.520 --> 0:32:02.480
<v Speaker 2>person here. It's fun. You go to Columbia and I'm

0:32:02.480 --> 0:32:05.600
<v Speaker 2>like okay, but your guys are you know, you're just

0:32:05.640 --> 0:32:07.640
<v Speaker 2>so great and you're so smart. Talk about that now

0:32:07.680 --> 0:32:09.200
<v Speaker 2>that you went to Columbia. It's none of the it's

0:32:09.200 --> 0:32:11.320
<v Speaker 2>not your business, not your business, but they're But when

0:32:11.320 --> 0:32:14.840
<v Speaker 2>I used to do this view, I want to like

0:32:14.920 --> 0:32:18.600
<v Speaker 2>and so the simple intication, but just being berated and

0:32:18.640 --> 0:32:22.520
<v Speaker 2>having them belittle me, you know, as a way of

0:32:22.560 --> 0:32:26.000
<v Speaker 2>making them bigger and listen. You know, for me, I've

0:32:26.040 --> 0:32:29.400
<v Speaker 2>always been the kind of person it's kinetic energy. If

0:32:29.440 --> 0:32:32.440
<v Speaker 2>you're good, I'm good, and then we're going to be better.

0:32:32.760 --> 0:32:35.560
<v Speaker 2>But if you're not good, and then I'm good, and

0:32:35.600 --> 0:32:37.840
<v Speaker 2>I try to make you feel bad or gaslight you

0:32:37.880 --> 0:32:41.360
<v Speaker 2>were doing whatever, whatever they were doing. It's just it's

0:32:41.520 --> 0:32:44.360
<v Speaker 2>very unsettling, and like a lot of the viewers were like,

0:32:44.760 --> 0:32:47.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean, to this day, they're like, we are so sorry.

0:32:47.400 --> 0:32:50.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, you don't have to apologize, but they're just like,

0:32:50.040 --> 0:32:54.719
<v Speaker 2>we're so sorry. And you know, it was really, really,

0:32:55.000 --> 0:32:58.320
<v Speaker 2>really hard. That's why for me to even be vulnerable

0:32:58.360 --> 0:33:03.080
<v Speaker 2>in the relationship was almost impossible. I would meet guys

0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:04.560
<v Speaker 2>and go on dates with them, and I'd be like,

0:33:04.640 --> 0:33:06.480
<v Speaker 2>all they want to do is go out with the housewives.

0:33:06.560 --> 0:33:07.880
<v Speaker 2>All they do is want to go out with someone

0:33:07.880 --> 0:33:09.880
<v Speaker 2>that's crazy. All they do is want to go out

0:33:09.880 --> 0:33:13.000
<v Speaker 2>with a model. All they want to do. I never

0:33:13.160 --> 0:33:17.440
<v Speaker 2>ever thought that they wanted to like meet Kelly. I

0:33:17.560 --> 0:33:20.840
<v Speaker 2>just always assumed and always had my think that was

0:33:20.880 --> 0:33:23.000
<v Speaker 2>about them or about you. You think that was about

0:33:23.040 --> 0:33:26.160
<v Speaker 2>you or everything. But I mean I was also conditioned

0:33:26.200 --> 0:33:29.520
<v Speaker 2>for my modeling years coupled with being housewives. I mean,

0:33:29.600 --> 0:33:36.880
<v Speaker 2>just constantly having that reminder really affected me, really affect me.

0:33:37.040 --> 0:33:38.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking about it now as you're saying it, like

0:33:39.120 --> 0:33:42.680
<v Speaker 1>walking into a cast, a Housewives cast, And I'm thinking

0:33:42.680 --> 0:33:45.840
<v Speaker 1>about this with Brandy Glanville for whatever reason, But like

0:33:46.520 --> 0:33:51.880
<v Speaker 1>when a woman comes in who is modelesque, I think

0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:57.000
<v Speaker 1>that there's a weird energy, there's a weird flow of energy.

0:33:57.040 --> 0:34:00.240
<v Speaker 1>And I think that it probably happened with Brandy. I

0:34:00.280 --> 0:34:02.880
<v Speaker 1>think it probably happened with you. I don't know if

0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:05.040
<v Speaker 1>you agree with me or not, but I don't know

0:34:05.040 --> 0:34:07.640
<v Speaker 1>if anybody's ever walked onto Jersey that's been model asque.

0:34:07.640 --> 0:34:09.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to think of some of the other franchises,

0:34:10.200 --> 0:34:14.520
<v Speaker 1>but could it could be intimidating And I think in

0:34:14.960 --> 0:34:18.799
<v Speaker 1>if you put that in a housewife's setting, Like it's

0:34:18.880 --> 0:34:23.520
<v Speaker 1>already like going to spark a bit of jealousy, a

0:34:23.560 --> 0:34:26.840
<v Speaker 1>bit of competition, right, do you feel like that, Like

0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:29.080
<v Speaker 1>just because of the fact that you are you are

0:34:29.600 --> 0:34:31.919
<v Speaker 1>a model, that already put you maybe at a little

0:34:31.920 --> 0:34:33.120
<v Speaker 1>bit of a disadvantage.

0:34:33.200 --> 0:34:35.640
<v Speaker 2>Potentially it did. And I think that they thought that

0:34:35.680 --> 0:34:36.920
<v Speaker 2>because I was a model, I was going to have

0:34:36.920 --> 0:34:39.319
<v Speaker 2>this thick skin. But you know, I was like, oh,

0:34:39.360 --> 0:34:42.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm from Illinois. They're like, yeah, you're from Illinois. I'm like, no, no, No,

0:34:42.239 --> 0:34:45.840
<v Speaker 2>I am from Rockford, Illinois. Like the way you speak

0:34:45.880 --> 0:34:48.840
<v Speaker 2>about people, this way you speak to people, I was

0:34:48.880 --> 0:34:51.520
<v Speaker 2>not raised like that, and I don't understand that. And

0:34:51.640 --> 0:34:54.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to speak that language. I'm going to

0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:56.360
<v Speaker 2>speak my language. And if you don't come to me,

0:34:56.480 --> 0:34:59.080
<v Speaker 2>that's your problem. And then people were starting to be

0:34:59.160 --> 0:35:03.240
<v Speaker 2>like nicer and real and more open and more just real,

0:35:03.520 --> 0:35:06.200
<v Speaker 2>because I was like, I don't know what you're talking about,

0:35:06.640 --> 0:35:09.040
<v Speaker 2>and I just didn't doesn't matter if I work in

0:35:09.080 --> 0:35:12.280
<v Speaker 2>New York, I still don't communicate like that, and I'm not.

0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:15.759
<v Speaker 1>Going to start I think about No, I'm just I

0:35:15.880 --> 0:35:17.879
<v Speaker 1>just think it's so interesting. I think about the other

0:35:17.920 --> 0:35:21.600
<v Speaker 1>franchises and just about how especially when someone knew and

0:35:22.280 --> 0:35:25.879
<v Speaker 1>is even maybe I mean, I think about Jenna Lionce,

0:35:25.880 --> 0:35:28.359
<v Speaker 1>who's her career, but she wasn't new. They all came

0:35:28.360 --> 0:35:30.839
<v Speaker 1>in at the same time. That could have been intimidating

0:35:30.960 --> 0:35:34.920
<v Speaker 1>or but like models, I feel like in particular particularly.

0:35:34.840 --> 0:35:38.600
<v Speaker 2>She also Jenna has and she always has, whether she

0:35:38.719 --> 0:35:40.919
<v Speaker 2>was at you know, Jaye Crew when she first got there,

0:35:41.000 --> 0:35:44.400
<v Speaker 2>when I was at Hampton's before I was l She's

0:35:44.480 --> 0:35:49.919
<v Speaker 2>always been a very striking confident person. We didn't know

0:35:50.120 --> 0:35:52.000
<v Speaker 2>that she had certain things that were going on in

0:35:52.000 --> 0:35:55.239
<v Speaker 2>her life, of course, but the way that she presents herself,

0:35:55.360 --> 0:35:57.719
<v Speaker 2>and we talk about that a lot now, is about

0:35:57.719 --> 0:36:02.160
<v Speaker 2>the way that present she presents herself as a very

0:36:02.280 --> 0:36:03.240
<v Speaker 2>very confident person.

0:36:03.320 --> 0:36:06.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I'm I'm yes, all of that, But people.

0:36:06.000 --> 0:36:08.200
<v Speaker 2>Say that I do like that too. I mean, just

0:36:08.239 --> 0:36:10.799
<v Speaker 2>because I'm wearing heels and like, you know, seven feet tall,

0:36:11.000 --> 0:36:13.040
<v Speaker 2>doesn't necessarily mean that I'm I'm.

0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:17.040
<v Speaker 1>Feeling housewise, I know, but I think that not just

0:36:17.080 --> 0:36:20.360
<v Speaker 1>house housewives is a microcosm, right of, sort of of

0:36:20.400 --> 0:36:22.960
<v Speaker 1>the rest of the world and how we all work

0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:25.640
<v Speaker 1>and we all spin around each other. But I feel

0:36:25.640 --> 0:36:31.400
<v Speaker 1>like there's something about a really tall, beautiful modelesque woman

0:36:32.200 --> 0:36:38.560
<v Speaker 1>that is probably makes it a little more difficult. Not always,

0:36:38.600 --> 0:36:40.880
<v Speaker 1>but I just think sometimes, and I think maybe maybe

0:36:40.960 --> 0:36:44.799
<v Speaker 1>in your case, maybe in Brandy's case, I think that

0:36:45.000 --> 0:36:47.840
<v Speaker 1>the dynamics maybe shift a little bit and maybe it

0:36:47.880 --> 0:36:48.840
<v Speaker 1>makes it harder.

0:36:48.880 --> 0:36:52.399
<v Speaker 4>Do you agree, Well, I think that there's I think

0:36:52.440 --> 0:36:56.400
<v Speaker 4>that there has always been this idea that if you

0:36:56.520 --> 0:36:59.480
<v Speaker 4>are pretty, things are easier for you, and it's not

0:36:59.520 --> 0:37:00.520
<v Speaker 4>necessary true.

0:37:00.840 --> 0:37:03.319
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you can open that someone can open the

0:37:03.320 --> 0:37:05.400
<v Speaker 2>door for you, but you still have to walk through,

0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:08.120
<v Speaker 2>like you know, okay, the door is open, but you

0:37:08.120 --> 0:37:10.919
<v Speaker 2>can't make it through, Like okay, how are you successful? Right?

0:37:11.000 --> 0:37:14.440
<v Speaker 2>You know, you're it's so it's it's really you know,

0:37:14.440 --> 0:37:17.920
<v Speaker 2>it's it's it's the life that you make. And you know,

0:37:18.440 --> 0:37:21.319
<v Speaker 2>it's really nice that people like the way that I

0:37:21.360 --> 0:37:24.640
<v Speaker 2>look and I appreciate that. And botox makes me even prettier, but.

0:37:25.120 --> 0:37:28.560
<v Speaker 1>I yeah, well both talks makes all of us.

0:37:29.160 --> 0:37:32.920
<v Speaker 2>And looks and me and yeah, but I'm kidding, but

0:37:33.480 --> 0:37:36.880
<v Speaker 2>I really really appreciate that so much, so much.

0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:39.080
<v Speaker 1>And no, I just think it's so interesting, and I

0:37:39.080 --> 0:37:41.600
<v Speaker 1>think that also probably happens with women that come on

0:37:41.680 --> 0:37:45.480
<v Speaker 1>that are let's say, way wealthier than the rest, right

0:37:46.280 --> 0:37:49.959
<v Speaker 1>there is as an audience member.

0:37:49.760 --> 0:37:52.000
<v Speaker 3>Which is what I mainly am.

0:37:52.200 --> 0:37:54.520
<v Speaker 1>Right, and I see if I see a cast and

0:37:54.560 --> 0:37:59.640
<v Speaker 1>someone comes on like Caroline Stansbury, right, do buy what

0:37:59.680 --> 0:38:02.640
<v Speaker 1>I want to although they're all actually ridiculously wealthy, so

0:38:02.680 --> 0:38:03.640
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't even apply.

0:38:03.800 --> 0:38:06.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to think of like Orange County.

0:38:07.160 --> 0:38:10.040
<v Speaker 2>It's just interesting the way that you talk about yourself

0:38:10.120 --> 0:38:14.719
<v Speaker 2>and say that you're like you present, Like we were talking

0:38:14.719 --> 0:38:18.080
<v Speaker 2>about that before. You present as the observer, but you're

0:38:18.120 --> 0:38:23.399
<v Speaker 2>the participant. That is not good. I mean, I present you.

0:38:23.640 --> 0:38:25.960
<v Speaker 2>I have both. You have to allow yourself to be

0:38:25.960 --> 0:38:26.839
<v Speaker 2>the you know I.

0:38:26.760 --> 0:38:29.680
<v Speaker 1>Am, but I always have to also like qualify like

0:38:29.680 --> 0:38:31.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm not I'm a friend of a house I'm a.

0:38:31.239 --> 0:38:35.160
<v Speaker 2>Two year friend in this world. Yes you're on You're.

0:38:35.200 --> 0:38:38.319
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that that is true, but I am. I

0:38:38.360 --> 0:38:42.680
<v Speaker 1>have been a fan for so long, so it's a

0:38:42.760 --> 0:38:45.840
<v Speaker 1>very weird thing. At age fifty three, that's when I

0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:47.960
<v Speaker 1>went on the Housewives of New Jersey. I love that

0:38:48.040 --> 0:38:50.600
<v Speaker 1>I have watched all of that. You know, I've been

0:38:50.600 --> 0:38:54.000
<v Speaker 1>a crazy Housewives fanatic for so many years, so maybe

0:38:54.040 --> 0:38:56.080
<v Speaker 1>it like the heart of me. That's how I feel.

0:38:56.640 --> 0:39:00.279
<v Speaker 1>I feel both, but that it will always be there,

0:39:00.400 --> 0:39:03.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, like I love that it is what it is.

0:39:03.560 --> 0:39:05.680
<v Speaker 2>But like I was thinking about just now, I appreciate

0:39:05.760 --> 0:39:08.319
<v Speaker 2>that you are open enough to be like I'm I

0:39:08.360 --> 0:39:10.279
<v Speaker 2>was a huge fan. I mean a lot of these

0:39:10.280 --> 0:39:13.359
<v Speaker 2>women who are That's I think. No, I don't get this, No, no, no, no.

0:39:13.640 --> 0:39:16.200
<v Speaker 2>I think that that's actually a really really strong point

0:39:16.320 --> 0:39:18.480
<v Speaker 2>is that a lot of the New York women, they

0:39:18.520 --> 0:39:21.239
<v Speaker 2>were such massive fans and they thought this was going

0:39:21.320 --> 0:39:23.719
<v Speaker 2>to be a launching pad for them, and instead of

0:39:23.880 --> 0:39:29.040
<v Speaker 2>really really like digging deep and really reveling in being

0:39:29.040 --> 0:39:33.120
<v Speaker 2>a housewife, they were on the periphery. And it made

0:39:33.120 --> 0:39:34.560
<v Speaker 2>the fans very uncomfortable.

0:39:35.680 --> 0:39:37.640
<v Speaker 3>No, I think that's probably pretty accurate.

0:39:38.000 --> 0:39:40.040
<v Speaker 2>It's not that they're I mean, it's more than just

0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:43.759
<v Speaker 2>not resonating. It made fans very uncomfortable. Yeah. Instead of

0:39:43.800 --> 0:39:47.880
<v Speaker 2>fans feeling like they're in the conversation, they just felt

0:39:48.040 --> 0:39:52.359
<v Speaker 2>very isolated. Yeah. I could see that. Yeah, and that's

0:39:52.400 --> 0:39:53.520
<v Speaker 2>why they love to watch.

0:39:53.680 --> 0:39:55.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I was a fan and when I went

0:39:55.320 --> 0:39:57.799
<v Speaker 1>into it, though, I'm not gonna say that I was

0:39:57.920 --> 0:40:00.560
<v Speaker 1>never in my head, but I don't.

0:40:00.800 --> 0:40:01.319
<v Speaker 2>I know that.

0:40:01.360 --> 0:40:03.880
<v Speaker 1>I really tried not to be. In most moments, I wasn't.

0:40:04.320 --> 0:40:06.239
<v Speaker 1>But there were times because I've been a fanned for

0:40:06.280 --> 0:40:08.719
<v Speaker 1>so long, you know that you were seeing, you're in

0:40:08.800 --> 0:40:11.719
<v Speaker 1>a scene, but you're also there's that little part of

0:40:11.760 --> 0:40:17.200
<v Speaker 1>you that floats above and remembers very like, very specifically,

0:40:17.200 --> 0:40:19.200
<v Speaker 1>what it's like to be a viewer of the scene.

0:40:19.239 --> 0:40:20.560
<v Speaker 1>So it's a little tricky.

0:40:20.960 --> 0:40:32.719
<v Speaker 2>Don't throw a table. So you would go.

0:40:33.000 --> 0:40:35.880
<v Speaker 1>Back to Housewives, you would return. You already gave me

0:40:35.920 --> 0:40:37.680
<v Speaker 1>that answer. You said absolutely, yes.

0:40:37.680 --> 0:40:39.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I always think it's a good I mean, I

0:40:39.360 --> 0:40:42.120
<v Speaker 2>had never I always said since day one, I would

0:40:42.160 --> 0:40:46.640
<v Speaker 2>never say no. The only reason that I left when

0:40:46.680 --> 0:40:51.240
<v Speaker 2>I left in twenty eleven is because they were bringing

0:40:51.280 --> 0:40:52.840
<v Speaker 2>back someone that I could not film with.

0:40:53.040 --> 0:40:55.160
<v Speaker 3>And I really play coy right now.

0:40:57.640 --> 0:41:00.280
<v Speaker 2>Schenkel, Okay, I was like, no, that's not how happening.

0:41:00.320 --> 0:41:02.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm not I'm not going to be I'm not going

0:41:02.600 --> 0:41:05.360
<v Speaker 2>to have someone be a liability. Yeah, it's not happening.

0:41:05.600 --> 0:41:06.280
<v Speaker 3>So interesting.

0:41:06.320 --> 0:41:08.440
<v Speaker 1>You know what everything that happened with her with Jersey

0:41:08.520 --> 0:41:12.319
<v Speaker 1>and I know what she was talking about Teresa, and

0:41:13.280 --> 0:41:16.640
<v Speaker 1>for whatever reason and said that no one Jersey was

0:41:16.680 --> 0:41:19.040
<v Speaker 1>a train wreck of a show. No one would ever

0:41:19.080 --> 0:41:21.600
<v Speaker 1>go on it if they weren't broke, and once they

0:41:21.600 --> 0:41:23.600
<v Speaker 1>did make money, they would just get off of it.

0:41:23.640 --> 0:41:27.440
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, what, like say what like, so

0:41:27.480 --> 0:41:30.840
<v Speaker 1>all you were on a franchise and I know you

0:41:30.880 --> 0:41:32.440
<v Speaker 1>went on it quote unquote broke.

0:41:33.120 --> 0:41:35.520
<v Speaker 2>She wasn't broke. She went to a very expensive college.

0:41:35.560 --> 0:41:37.759
<v Speaker 2>She wasn't broken. I know. I mean I know more

0:41:37.800 --> 0:41:40.919
<v Speaker 2>about her now because all of the guys I've did

0:41:41.760 --> 0:41:44.520
<v Speaker 2>or went on days told me everything about her, which

0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:46.359
<v Speaker 2>was really fascinating. Can you imagine going in a date

0:41:46.840 --> 0:41:48.440
<v Speaker 2>and some guy being like, oh my god, let me

0:41:48.440 --> 0:41:49.000
<v Speaker 2>tell you about her.

0:41:49.040 --> 0:41:52.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I I met her, I know her.

0:41:52.440 --> 0:41:54.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I'm like, dinner's over.

0:41:54.400 --> 0:41:58.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, recently who she was dating that dated you

0:41:59.000 --> 0:41:59.560
<v Speaker 1>or something of that.

0:41:59.640 --> 0:42:01.880
<v Speaker 3>Right, it's another episode any.

0:42:01.719 --> 0:42:03.560
<v Speaker 2>Way, But I do think I do. You know, it's

0:42:03.560 --> 0:42:06.759
<v Speaker 2>actually a shame because you know, had I had that,

0:42:06.960 --> 0:42:09.719
<v Speaker 2>had that not have happened, I would have I would

0:42:09.760 --> 0:42:12.040
<v Speaker 2>have continued on Housewives. I would have continued. I would

0:42:12.320 --> 0:42:14.920
<v Speaker 2>Here's a good news. I tell of my favorite trips Leuenna,

0:42:14.920 --> 0:42:15.759
<v Speaker 2>I had the best time ever.

0:42:15.920 --> 0:42:18.080
<v Speaker 1>That was my trip to Ireland. That I had on

0:42:18.280 --> 0:42:20.480
<v Speaker 1>season thirteen was one of the best times.

0:42:21.040 --> 0:42:24.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean, some of the trips are so unbelievable.

0:42:23.880 --> 0:42:25.160
<v Speaker 3>One but here's the good news.

0:42:25.160 --> 0:42:28.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't even don't even say that a scary island

0:42:28.800 --> 0:42:29.520
<v Speaker 1>scary island.

0:42:29.520 --> 0:42:31.080
<v Speaker 2>There are parts of it that are amazing. And then

0:42:31.120 --> 0:42:36.000
<v Speaker 2>there was an issue that happened between between us and

0:42:36.080 --> 0:42:39.359
<v Speaker 2>I just was like I made a choice of the

0:42:39.360 --> 0:42:42.640
<v Speaker 2>wellness of a family versus like I was just I can't.

0:42:42.800 --> 0:42:46.640
<v Speaker 3>Launch, I can't do I'm watch you into anything done.

0:42:46.640 --> 0:42:47.520
<v Speaker 3>But let me just say one thing.

0:42:47.840 --> 0:42:48.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't feel.

0:42:48.960 --> 0:42:51.879
<v Speaker 1>I don't feel like Bethany's coming back, so now would

0:42:51.880 --> 0:42:54.359
<v Speaker 1>be a perfect time. I feel like probably not going

0:42:54.400 --> 0:42:55.399
<v Speaker 1>to be on the Housewives again.

0:42:55.960 --> 0:42:56.320
<v Speaker 2>She can't be.

0:42:56.560 --> 0:42:58.840
<v Speaker 1>Let me just propose this, Andy Cohen, if you're listening,

0:42:59.440 --> 0:43:04.920
<v Speaker 1>Ultimate Trip, uh, Jen Fessler, Kelly or even better.

0:43:04.960 --> 0:43:09.920
<v Speaker 2>Ultimate Girlstrip are the best trips as whatever. Well, first

0:43:09.960 --> 0:43:12.160
<v Speaker 2>of all, because you get to go on trips with

0:43:12.360 --> 0:43:15.359
<v Speaker 2>all these other housewives you never get to meet, and

0:43:15.400 --> 0:43:17.200
<v Speaker 2>it is amazing, so fun. I would love to do

0:43:17.239 --> 0:43:19.759
<v Speaker 2>that and everybody and everyone gets to tell which is

0:43:19.800 --> 0:43:22.640
<v Speaker 2>which was? Which was great for me is that like

0:43:22.840 --> 0:43:25.240
<v Speaker 2>even on Ultimate Girls Trip, I did not film with Gerinda,

0:43:25.600 --> 0:43:27.640
<v Speaker 2>and I got to really know her, and she, you know,

0:43:27.640 --> 0:43:29.520
<v Speaker 2>told me what was happening and all this stuff, and

0:43:30.280 --> 0:43:33.320
<v Speaker 2>you know I had, you know. I mean she's a

0:43:33.640 --> 0:43:34.720
<v Speaker 2>very funny human.

0:43:35.000 --> 0:43:38.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean she I love that woman. Smart and charismatic.

0:43:38.600 --> 0:43:42.040
<v Speaker 1>Talk about the ultimate housewife. All right, Kelly, I love you,

0:43:42.640 --> 0:43:45.160
<v Speaker 1>Love you guys, love me some Kelly, Ben Simone, love you.

0:43:45.400 --> 0:43:47.320
<v Speaker 2>See you next time. Bye, guys,