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Speaker 1: Hi guys, I'm Jen Fessler from Two Jersey Jays. I'm

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Speaker 1: without my partner Jackie today, but guess who I am with,

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Speaker 1: the beautiful Kelly Bensmoon and we, by the way, are

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Speaker 1: not in Jersey. We are not We are not in Jersey.

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Speaker 1: We are in Napa Valley. We're in the Napa Valley.

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Speaker 2: Have you been here before? I have been here before,

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Speaker 2: but can imagine today? We were at the concert live

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Speaker 2: from the vineyard. It was such a vibe. All of

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Speaker 2: the wine, all of the country music, so dreamy. Everybody

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Speaker 2: was in cowboy boots. You're looking fire, by the way,

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Speaker 2: thank you. You're looking fire too, Thank you so much

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Speaker 2: like the Feathers. I was like, you know what, let's.

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Speaker 1: You caught you well when I text you earlier today

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Speaker 1: about like what we bring, what you're wearing, and you

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Speaker 1: said to me, I'm just going to bring like go

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Speaker 1: whole Coachella, right.

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Speaker 2: And I like, yeah, it's like a country I know.

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Speaker 1: But then I had to stop and call my daughter

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Speaker 1: Rachel and say, so, what would one where to Coachella

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Speaker 1: do such a thing? Anyway, said feathers and cowboy boots.

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Speaker 1: She didn't say this.

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Speaker 2: She didn't say bikinis.

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Speaker 1: You know, all right, you guys, but I am so excited,

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Speaker 1: first of all, well obviously to be here at NAPA,

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Speaker 1: but to be with Kelly, because so Kelly bensimone, I'm

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Speaker 1: sure to most of you, but to me is iconic.

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Speaker 1: So Kelly goes back on New York Housewives. You know,

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Speaker 1: the years where it was I'm sorry, the golden years

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Speaker 1: to me, but your seasons on the Housewives were I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: no offense to anyone listening, the best of the best.

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Speaker 2: They were.

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Speaker 3: They really were, right, they were, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, Luena and I talk about it all the time

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Speaker 2: and how just the relationships that were nurtured during that

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Speaker 2: time were very raw and very real. I mean, do

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Speaker 2: you remember too, we didn't have social media, right, so

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Speaker 2: like everybody now, Like when I was on Ultimate Girls Ship,

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Speaker 2: I was like, You're like, you're in a relationship with

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Speaker 2: social media. Yeah right, I'm not just the Housewives so true.

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Speaker 1: So it is so.

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Speaker 2: Different, so different. And the way that you play or

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Speaker 2: the way that I don't play to anybody. I'm just

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Speaker 2: like do myself, which is you know, bittersweet. But the

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Speaker 2: way that some of the ladies play to the camera

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Speaker 2: based on their social media following, it's really strong, and

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Speaker 2: I just don't pay attention. I'm like, if you like me,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna like me. And if you don't like me,

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Speaker 2: maybe you like me someday.

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Speaker 1: That's the healthy way to do housewives right there. And

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Speaker 1: it's very unusual actually, but it's just you're right. There

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Speaker 1: was no the social media of it. There was none

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Speaker 1: of that back in the day. So like we would

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Speaker 1: watch an episode and whatever, get to work the next

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Speaker 1: morning and just go through. Like when Kelly said I'm

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Speaker 1: here and you're here, that was the best. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about that whatever. But you know, it was

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Speaker 1: like it was such a different thing.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's so funny because it was the Brass

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Speaker 2: Monkey and i'd been you know, there was like a

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Speaker 2: supposed to film, and I didn't realize this because I

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Speaker 2: I had been on I'd done had my own show before,

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Speaker 2: so I was like, Okay, I'm just.

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Speaker 3: Gonna be wake out what I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: I had a show call behind the hedges where I

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Speaker 2: interviewed like the best of the best, and I went

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Speaker 2: shark diving. I was so much fun. I know that

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Speaker 2: it was great, it was really fun. But what happened

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Speaker 2: was as much fun as House was. House Lives is

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Speaker 2: a really really fun dynamic. Well, what happened that day

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Speaker 2: I did not realize is that when she was doing interviews,

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Speaker 2: she was saying like she was setting me up. She

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Speaker 2: me wait all day long. You're a child. She just

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Speaker 1: So I so, Kelly, and I just for the listeners.

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Speaker 1: So we now we've become friends. But before, we just

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Speaker 1: keep running into each other, right, I guess do iHeart Well.

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Speaker 2: We ran into each other on the on the Red

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Speaker 2: carpet at iHeart Radio, which was so much fun. But

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Speaker 2: then also at the movie premiere Amateur with Ronnie Oh

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Speaker 3: Yes, so we ran into each other there, and then we.

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Speaker 2: Did run into each other. We literally like had like

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Speaker 2: having so much fun. And by the way, Sonya Morgan,

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Speaker 2: who I love so much, She's the most spirited, beautiful human.

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Speaker 2: She and I said, Jen, you can't do you can't

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Speaker 3: These I yes.

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Speaker 1: So I'm like walking the red carpet and there's all

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Speaker 1: push my way into them like a desperado. And Kelly

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Speaker 2: That is not true. You did not look Janfessler there

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Speaker 2: last second, I was on the House size on New.

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Speaker 1: Jersey as a friend a two years but meanwhile Sonia

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Speaker 1: they come to you, they come to you. So one

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Speaker 1: of the first favors that Kelly did for me. But

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Speaker 1: then you introduced me to a photographer and you said, Jen,

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Speaker 1: this is why Beth and he hates me. Yes, this guy,

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Speaker 2: So he was taking photos of an event at my

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Speaker 2: So I was taking him through everything, and she like

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Speaker 1: You were trying to steal her that No, no, no, yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right, we haven't like the bethany of it all.

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Speaker 2: But you know what let's not put on ice is

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Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I'm like if whatever photo you

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Speaker 1: And then I'm like, I am self proclaimed. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: not getting a picture next to Laurence Fishburn.

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Speaker 2: It was his wife. His wife is so beautiful, and I.

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Speaker 2: He's a he's an attorney.

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Speaker 1: He's a corporate attorney, securities or something, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm sorry. One thing that I really really

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Speaker 2: But most men and women they're just like, you're just

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we definitely, I mean went through so much Mutch Definitely,

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Speaker 1: something because you're good Kelly. On.

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing. This is how you know she's a person.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but here's how you know that Kelly is a host,

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Speaker 1: she's not just a guest. On I do part two?

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Speaker 1: You have in three minutes you have switched this entire thing.

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Speaker 1: This is about you, And all of a sudden, I

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Speaker 2: Kelly? No, tell me about me.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you anything about my marriage for house.

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Speaker 2: I was never in my head because I'm not in

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Speaker 1: Because also I think that let's take you out of it.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a good, bad or ugly like I

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Speaker 2: Are fancy, your houses are beautiful. New York, you guys

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Speaker 2: are really dressed well like Jersey. Yes, I mean New

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry. You guys always look great. You guys are

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Speaker 1: talking about?

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00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:44,159
Speaker 2: You guys are like in your range rovers, your gorgeous houses.

431
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 2: You're always dressed.

432
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 1: Hold on, I agree, how on Jersey people have We

433
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 1: have beautiful homes, and I agree with you. But I

434
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 1: am telling you you and I are the only ones

435
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 1: that agree.

436
00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 3: People think that Jersey is the worst dress.

437
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 1: That tackiest have to just do with the fact that,

438
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 1: of course, it's like Jerseys don't to be Jersey.

439
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,680
Speaker 2: It's Sopranos country, it's you know. I disagree. I think

440
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,880
Speaker 2: that you guys are all love We're like, I mean,

441
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,119
Speaker 2: New Yorkers are like, guys, hello, do you guys have

442
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,879
Speaker 2: a job, Like, where's the cash? Shit?

443
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:19,679
Speaker 1: What?

444
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 2: Really? I was like, Oh, I'm rich.

445
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:28,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, wow, that is Jersey, New York, California.

446
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 1: Oh see, no, it's a lot of showmanship and there's

447
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 1: not always a lot to back that up. So I

448
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 1: think that's a housewise Housewives that's notorious for that, but.

449
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,399
Speaker 2: Someone like me, that's I mean, that's another reason I

450
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,199
Speaker 2: love Everet Hills is because I love I love that,

451
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 2: Like the women will go and be like, I'm going

452
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:47,879
Speaker 2: to get a present for my daughter and they like

453
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:52,439
Speaker 2: drop like thirty grand on themselves. I think that's amazing, right, Like,

454
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 2: I mean, I would never do that for my daughters.

455
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 2: I mean I'm like, you know, I want them to

456
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,919
Speaker 2: have like personal respect and like if they want they

457
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 2: get a gift, I want them to like, you know,

458
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,199
Speaker 2: be really really excited about it. I don't just like

459
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 2: throw money at them. But I love that as.

460
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 1: Like to watch it as I love to watch your kids,

461
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 1: just not my kids, not for me. Let's just like

462
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,919
Speaker 1: we'll talk about Jersey and New York quickly. What do

463
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 1: you see is the best scenario.

464
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,120
Speaker 2: Moving forward for both? Is it a mix of old

465
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 2: and new?

466
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 3: If so, is there anything specific you would like to suggest?

467
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,919
Speaker 2: Definitely a mix between old and new. I mean I

468
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 2: know I should go back. I've heard of course, yeah,

469
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 2: of course, I mean now now not now because people

470
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 2: have seen that like real is cool, like not real

471
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 2: is uncool, Like they're finally getting that.

472
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 3: Would you go back with your old cast?

473
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 2: Would you go back with Bethany? Ever?

474
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 1: No?

475
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 4: I never.

476
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 2: I'm like, would you go on? Yes? Would you no? Yeah? No?

477
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 2: And she can't film anyway she's But you know, it's

478
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 2: interesting because when when I talked about the list that

479
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 2: I sent to Andy, one person was like, oh my god,

480
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 2: she always calls Andy. That is not true. I literally

481
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 2: I never call him. I don't even have a cell

482
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 2: phone number. I texted him one time because his daughter

483
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 2: was so unbelievably adorable, and then his another time I

484
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 2: sent his I sent them this like really cute teddy

485
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 2: bear and his son is so cute. So like I

486
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 2: never text Himbout. Well, by the way, I do know.

487
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: I do know that a lot of housewives do have

488
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 1: his cell number and do text him. I mean, it's

489
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 1: not like I don't know what a regular I don't know.

490
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 2: I'm just saying.

491
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 3: I do have his cell number, and I text him

492
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 3: once and never again.

493
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 2: You don't worry. Do his photo do a photo of him?

494
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 2: Like what do you mean? Like a not like on

495
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 2: your mantle? But do you have like a photo of

496
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 2: you guys together.

497
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: Not framed, not for like it's not like all the

498
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 1: photos of the people you have like you that's the

499
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:13,360
Speaker 1: side of all these famous people. Literally what you're talking about,

500
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 1: because I'm a literally and right I'm telling you my

501
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: friend Shary, my best friend is here right now, I

502
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 1: was telling Kelly earlier. So Shary used to take me

503
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: and are their best friend from college to the Grammys

504
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: every year because Sharry is Shary and her husband is

505
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: this big studio exect and we used to go to

506
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,679
Speaker 1: the Grammys every year until literally like we were like maybe.

507
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 3: Three or four years in.

508
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 1: Remember, and there was a security guy and I guess

509
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 1: he worked there year after year who and I would

510
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 1: be and he was like, I'm done. Like he walked

511
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: up to us and he was like, I know your

512
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: game now.

513
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 2: Like this is like this is after years of us

514
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 2: going on, You're you're like a gorgeous brunette, which I

515
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 2: was not obvious.

516
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: I was only eyes because I was so annoying, and

517
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,479
Speaker 1: I would like go over and I would be like

518
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: reading out, like.

519
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 3: No, you had no choice.

520
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 2: I'm all right.

521
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 3: We digressed, We digressed. I have a question for you, Yes.

522
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 2: If you could get your photo taken with any housewife,

523
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:14,120
Speaker 2: who would it be?

524
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 3: I mean, Kelly Bensmo, any housewife? Let me think. No,

525
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 3: you know, it's like that, if you'd asked me.

526
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 1: That four years ago. I mean, first of all, I

527
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: would have just been in heaven. I would have just

528
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 1: started drooling out of the left side of my mouth

529
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 1: thinking about me getting a photo with I don't know,

530
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: Kyle Richards or you know what. Okay, I know, I

531
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: know because I was gonna say yes. But I've gotten

532
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 1: a few pictures now, so it's different. But if you

533
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 1: ask me right now, the one that I haven't gotten

534
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: and that I would give the most, take with, Yes,

535
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: Lisa vander Pump.

536
00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 2: I love me some Lisa van I really I knew it.

537
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 2: I always die from her.

538
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: I just did the way her hair would just flip back,

539
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: and she was so everything.

540
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 3: The lipstick was first. I think she's she's Jacqueline Smith.

541
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 2: I totally agree, right.

542
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: She was the most beautiful and like, maybe a little

543
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: older than the rest of the Jackson people say you that, No,

544
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: she was the least pretty of the angels.

545
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 2: Take it.

546
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's your fair faucet, and you know it. Anyway,

547
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: so thanks, thanks Helene.

548
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 2: I'm k j.

549
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: J.

550
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 2: She's hot.

551
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: I thought she's hot. She is, Yeah, she was like

552
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 1: the brainiac. She wasn't the hot one.

553
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 2: But whatever. Anyway, all right, so.

554
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 3: Ultimate Girl's Trip, Which, what did you think?

555
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 2: Ultimate Girls Trip?

556
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 3: I loved every second.

557
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 2: Of it, did I really. It was such a great trip.

558
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 1: I thought it was so much fun to watch them.

559
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 2: I kept telling them, you guys, you're missing the narrative.

560
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 2: I think this guy is going to ask me to

561
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 2: get married. He's sent me all these love notes with

562
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 2: photos that I was reading to Derinda, and instead of

563
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 2: a following my lead, they were like, no, no, we're gonna

564
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 2: try this to make this into Scary Island. I'm like,

565
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 2: it didn't. It didn't work. So there was a lot

566
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 2: of people didn't even know what scary Island was.

567
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 3: Then they were like, we're not doesn't know what's scary Island?

568
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 2: Well, because he just they don't. I guess they don't

569
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 2: want to know him because they're like, oh my god,

570
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 2: it was such an iconic moment, and they're like, but

571
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 2: one of my favorite favorite favorite moments on Ultimate Girl's

572
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 2: Trip is that we go and do this water therapy

573
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 2: I'm remembering water therapy and they're in like ther bikinis.

574
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm not gonna wear a bikini. I'm gonna

575
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 2: wear a one piece. I literally it was so warm

576
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 2: and I was in this velvet blue velvet one piece

577
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 2: and I'm like looking up with my eyes are closed

578
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 2: and I see the sun and it's like these lips

579
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 2: are trying to kiss me. And with the movement of

580
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 2: the water, I was like, I am so wildly horning.

581
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do with myself. And I

582
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: get out of the water, and first of all, the

583
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:16,959
Speaker 2: guy that was moving me around was just like a

584
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,959
Speaker 2: smoke show. I get out of the water, I was like,

585
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 2: oh my god. I'm like this guy is so hot.

586
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 2: And like Luanne and durindare like I love my mother.

587
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 2: I'm like I'm like, no, no, no, no, my mother was

588
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 2: not in the water. I am so wildly horny. And

589
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 2: they were looking at me like I had fifteen heads

590
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 2: that I didn't have a cathartic. I get my own cathartic.

591
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: But I'm trying to wait. But I'm thinking, like you

592
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: just said that, like they missed it. They missed the

593
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: bar where your boyfriend your fiance at the time you

594
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: were reading. I know you, I remember you reading the

595
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: love letters from him, but you already maybe not so

596
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: much into him, and we missed broken up. You were

597
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: about to get married. I thought we were.

598
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 2: Broken up, and then he was like really really, really pushing,

599
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 2: and they definitely didn't catch that.

600
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: That was.

601
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 3: I got you and Kristin Takeman arguing.

602
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: I mean, christ we were arguing. I was actually like,

603
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 2: tell me what the situation is. Let's talk it through.

604
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 2: I mean, you can you sit there with her for hours? Hours? Yeah, Christen,

605
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 2: one thing, please, Okay, I want to ask you. It's

606
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 2: frustrating to sit with her for hours. You couldn't get it.

607
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 2: So wait, it's very frustrating on this and she's a

608
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 2: literally human.

609
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: Yes, but she just just she couldn't make it happen

610
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: with her.

611
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 2: She'd be like if you and I were in a

612
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,239
Speaker 2: scene talking, she would like leave and run upstairs and

613
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 2: go talk to the camera. And I'm like, and do

614
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 2: her own testimonial. I'm like, no, no, no, no. In the middle

615
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 2: of We're here, this is this is, this is the show.

616
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 2: We're here.

617
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: I have a question for you very myself.

618
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 3: Because you're a model and she's a model.

619
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: I'm curious because you and I have touched on this

620
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: a little bit personally, but like the modeling thing on Housewives.

621
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: First of all, going into Housewives as a model, do

622
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: you think that is a helper a hindrance? And also

623
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: I know that modeling is can be tough for a

624
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: lot of reasons, and you and I have spoken a

625
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: little bit about this, but but show me some parallels

626
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: in terms of like.

627
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 2: Being on Housewives. It's super triggering for me. I don't

628
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 2: know about for her, but for me it was very

629
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 2: triggering because you know, I started modeling when I was

630
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 2: so young, and people were like, you're fat, you're ugly,

631
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 2: you're too tall, your hair's too short, your boosters too big,

632
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 2: You're to this, you're to that. It's just a constant, constant, constant,

633
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 2: every single day. You're just never good enough. And so

634
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 2: when I went on Housewives and like I'll never forget

635
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 2: the first air, Mona Center called me a scarecrow and

636
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 2: I was like a scarecrow and then she's like, yeah,

637
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,479
Speaker 2: you have no brains. I'm like, I'm the most educated

638
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 2: person here. It's fun. You go to Columbia and I'm

639
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 2: like okay, but your guys are you know, you're just

640
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 2: so great and you're so smart. Talk about that now

641
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 2: that you went to Columbia. It's none of the it's

642
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 2: not your business, not your business, but they're But when

643
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 2: I used to do this view, I want to like

644
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 2: and so the simple intication, but just being berated and

645
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 2: having them belittle me, you know, as a way of

646
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 2: making them bigger and listen. You know, for me, I've

647
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 2: always been the kind of person it's kinetic energy. If

648
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 2: you're good, I'm good, and then we're going to be better.

649
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: But if you're not good, and then I'm good, and

650
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 2: I try to make you feel bad or gaslight you

651
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: were doing whatever, whatever they were doing. It's just it's

652
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 2: very unsettling, and like a lot of the viewers were like,

653
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 2: I mean, to this day, they're like, we are so sorry.

654
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, you don't have to apologize, but they're just like,

655
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,719
Speaker 2: we're so sorry. And you know, it was really, really,

656
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 2: really hard. That's why for me to even be vulnerable

657
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 2: in the relationship was almost impossible. I would meet guys

658
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 2: and go on dates with them, and I'd be like,

659
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 2: all they want to do is go out with the housewives.

660
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 2: All they do is want to go out with someone

661
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 2: that's crazy. All they do is want to go out

662
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 2: with a model. All they want to do. I never

663
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: ever thought that they wanted to like meet Kelly. I

664
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 2: just always assumed and always had my think that was

665
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 2: about them or about you. You think that was about

666
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 2: you or everything. But I mean I was also conditioned

667
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 2: for my modeling years coupled with being housewives. I mean,

668
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 2: just constantly having that reminder really affected me, really affect me.

669
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it now as you're saying it, like

670
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: walking into a cast, a Housewives cast, And I'm thinking

671
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: about this with Brandy Glanville for whatever reason, But like

672
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: when a woman comes in who is modelesque, I think

673
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: that there's a weird energy, there's a weird flow of energy.

674
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: And I think that it probably happened with Brandy. I

675
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: think it probably happened with you. I don't know if

676
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: you agree with me or not, but I don't know

677
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: if anybody's ever walked onto Jersey that's been model asque.

678
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of some of the other franchises,

679
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: but could it could be intimidating And I think in

680
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: if you put that in a housewife's setting, Like it's

681
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: already like going to spark a bit of jealousy, a

682
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: bit of competition, right, do you feel like that, Like

683
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: just because of the fact that you are you are

684
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,919
Speaker 1: a model, that already put you maybe at a little

685
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: bit of a disadvantage.

686
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 2: Potentially it did. And I think that they thought that

687
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 2: because I was a model, I was going to have

688
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 2: this thick skin. But you know, I was like, oh,

689
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 2: I'm from Illinois. They're like, yeah, you're from Illinois. I'm like, no, no, No,

690
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 2: I am from Rockford, Illinois. Like the way you speak

691
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 2: about people, this way you speak to people, I was

692
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 2: not raised like that, and I don't understand that. And

693
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: I'm not going to speak that language. I'm going to

694
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 2: speak my language. And if you don't come to me,

695
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 2: that's your problem. And then people were starting to be

696
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:03,240
Speaker 2: like nicer and real and more open and more just real,

697
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 2: because I was like, I don't know what you're talking about,

698
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 2: and I just didn't doesn't matter if I work in

699
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 2: New York, I still don't communicate like that, and I'm not.

700
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: Going to start I think about No, I'm just I

701
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 1: just think it's so interesting. I think about the other

702
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: franchises and just about how especially when someone knew and

703
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 1: is even maybe I mean, I think about Jenna Lionce,

704
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 1: who's her career, but she wasn't new. They all came

705
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: in at the same time. That could have been intimidating

706
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: or but like models, I feel like in particular particularly.

707
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 2: She also Jenna has and she always has, whether she

708
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,919
Speaker 2: was at you know, Jaye Crew when she first got there,

709
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 2: when I was at Hampton's before I was l She's

710
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:49,919
Speaker 2: always been a very striking confident person. We didn't know

711
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 2: that she had certain things that were going on in

712
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 2: her life, of course, but the way that she presents herself,

713
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 2: and we talk about that a lot now, is about

714
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 2: the way that present she presents herself as a very

715
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 2: very confident person.

716
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm I'm yes, all of that, But people.

717
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 2: Say that I do like that too. I mean, just

718
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 2: because I'm wearing heels and like, you know, seven feet tall,

719
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily mean that I'm I'm.

720
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: Feeling housewise, I know, but I think that not just

721
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: house housewives is a microcosm, right of, sort of of

722
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: the rest of the world and how we all work

723
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: and we all spin around each other. But I feel

724
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: like there's something about a really tall, beautiful modelesque woman

725
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: that is probably makes it a little more difficult. Not always,

726
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: but I just think sometimes, and I think maybe maybe

727
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: in your case, maybe in Brandy's case, I think that

728
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: the dynamics maybe shift a little bit and maybe it

729
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: makes it harder.

730
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 4: Do you agree, Well, I think that there's I think

731
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 4: that there has always been this idea that if you

732
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 4: are pretty, things are easier for you, and it's not

733
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 4: necessary true.

734
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 2: I mean, you can open that someone can open the

735
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 2: door for you, but you still have to walk through,

736
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 2: like you know, okay, the door is open, but you

737
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,919
Speaker 2: can't make it through, Like okay, how are you successful? Right?

738
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 2: You know, you're it's so it's it's really you know,

739
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 2: it's it's it's the life that you make. And you know,

740
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 2: it's really nice that people like the way that I

741
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 2: look and I appreciate that. And botox makes me even prettier, but.

742
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: I yeah, well both talks makes all of us.

743
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 2: And looks and me and yeah, but I'm kidding, but

744
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 2: I really really appreciate that so much, so much.

745
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: And no, I just think it's so interesting, and I

746
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: think that also probably happens with women that come on

747
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: that are let's say, way wealthier than the rest, right

748
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,959
Speaker 1: there is as an audience member.

749
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 3: Which is what I mainly am.

750
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: Right, and I see if I see a cast and

751
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: someone comes on like Caroline Stansbury, right, do buy what

752
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: I want to although they're all actually ridiculously wealthy, so

753
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: that doesn't even apply.

754
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of like Orange County.

755
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 2: It's just interesting the way that you talk about yourself

756
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 2: and say that you're like you present, Like we were talking

757
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 2: about that before. You present as the observer, but you're

758
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 2: the participant. That is not good. I mean, I present you.

759
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 2: I have both. You have to allow yourself to be

760
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 2: the you know I.

761
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: Am, but I always have to also like qualify like

762
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm a friend of a house I'm a.

763
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 2: Two year friend in this world. Yes you're on You're.

764
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: I appreciate that that is true, but I am. I

765
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: have been a fan for so long, so it's a

766
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: very weird thing. At age fifty three, that's when I

767
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: went on the Housewives of New Jersey. I love that

768
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: I have watched all of that. You know, I've been

769
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: a crazy Housewives fanatic for so many years, so maybe

770
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: it like the heart of me. That's how I feel.

771
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: I feel both, but that it will always be there,

772
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: you know, like I love that it is what it is.

773
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 2: But like I was thinking about just now, I appreciate

774
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 2: that you are open enough to be like I'm I

775
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 2: was a huge fan. I mean a lot of these

776
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 2: women who are That's I think. No, I don't get this, No, no, no, no.

777
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 2: I think that that's actually a really really strong point

778
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 2: is that a lot of the New York women, they

779
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 2: were such massive fans and they thought this was going

780
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 2: to be a launching pad for them, and instead of

781
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 2: really really like digging deep and really reveling in being

782
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 2: a housewife, they were on the periphery. And it made

783
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 2: the fans very uncomfortable.

784
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 3: No, I think that's probably pretty accurate.

785
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 2: It's not that they're I mean, it's more than just

786
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 2: not resonating. It made fans very uncomfortable. Yeah. Instead of

787
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 2: fans feeling like they're in the conversation, they just felt

788
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 2: very isolated. Yeah. I could see that. Yeah, and that's

789
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 2: why they love to watch.

790
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I was a fan and when I went

791
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 1: into it, though, I'm not gonna say that I was

792
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: never in my head, but I don't.

793
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 2: I know that.

794
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: I really tried not to be. In most moments, I wasn't.

795
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: But there were times because I've been a fanned for

796
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: so long, you know that you were seeing, you're in

797
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: a scene, but you're also there's that little part of

798
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: you that floats above and remembers very like, very specifically,

799
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: what it's like to be a viewer of the scene.

800
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: So it's a little tricky.

801
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 2: Don't throw a table. So you would go.

802
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: Back to Housewives, you would return. You already gave me

803
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: that answer. You said absolutely, yes.

804
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I always think it's a good I mean, I

805
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 2: had never I always said since day one, I would

806
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 2: never say no. The only reason that I left when

807
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:51,240
Speaker 2: I left in twenty eleven is because they were bringing

808
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 2: back someone that I could not film with.

809
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 3: And I really play coy right now.

810
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,280
Speaker 2: Schenkel, Okay, I was like, no, that's not how happening.

811
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not going to be I'm not going

812
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 2: to have someone be a liability. Yeah, it's not happening.

813
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:06,280
Speaker 3: So interesting.

814
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: You know what everything that happened with her with Jersey

815
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 1: and I know what she was talking about Teresa, and

816
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: for whatever reason and said that no one Jersey was

817
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: a train wreck of a show. No one would ever

818
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: go on it if they weren't broke, and once they

819
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: did make money, they would just get off of it.

820
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: And I was like, what, like say what like, so

821
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 1: all you were on a franchise and I know you

822
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: went on it quote unquote broke.

823
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 2: She wasn't broke. She went to a very expensive college.

824
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 2: She wasn't broken. I know. I mean I know more

825
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,919
Speaker 2: about her now because all of the guys I've did

826
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 2: or went on days told me everything about her, which

827
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 2: was really fascinating. Can you imagine going in a date

828
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 2: and some guy being like, oh my god, let me

829
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 2: tell you about her.

830
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 1: I'm like, I I met her, I know her.

831
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm like, dinner's over.

832
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, recently who she was dating that dated you

833
00:41:59,000 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: or something of that.

834
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 3: Right, it's another episode any.

835
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 2: Way, But I do think I do. You know, it's

836
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 2: actually a shame because you know, had I had that,

837
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 2: had that not have happened, I would have I would

838
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: have continued on Housewives. I would have continued. I would

839
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 2: Here's a good news. I tell of my favorite trips Leuenna,

840
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 2: I had the best time ever.

841
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: That was my trip to Ireland. That I had on

842
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: season thirteen was one of the best times.

843
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 2: I mean, some of the trips are so unbelievable.

844
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 3: One but here's the good news.

845
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: I don't even don't even say that a scary island

846
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: scary island.

847
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 2: There are parts of it that are amazing. And then

848
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: there was an issue that happened between between us and

849
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 2: I just was like I made a choice of the

850
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 2: wellness of a family versus like I was just I can't.

851
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 3: Launch, I can't do I'm watch you into anything done.

852
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 3: But let me just say one thing.

853
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 2: I don't feel.

854
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 1: I don't feel like Bethany's coming back, so now would

855
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: be a perfect time. I feel like probably not going

856
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 1: to be on the Housewives again.

857
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 2: She can't be.

858
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 1: Let me just propose this, Andy Cohen, if you're listening,

859
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: Ultimate Trip, uh, Jen Fessler, Kelly or even better.

860
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 2: Ultimate Girlstrip are the best trips as whatever. Well, first

861
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 2: of all, because you get to go on trips with

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Speaker 2: all these other housewives you never get to meet, and

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Speaker 2: it is amazing, so fun. I would love to do

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Speaker 2: that and everybody and everyone gets to tell which is

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Speaker 2: which was? Which was great for me is that like

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Speaker 2: even on Ultimate Girls Trip, I did not film with Gerinda,

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Speaker 2: and I got to really know her, and she, you know,

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Speaker 2: told me what was happening and all this stuff, and

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Speaker 2: you know I had, you know. I mean she's a

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Speaker 2: very funny human.

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Speaker 1: I mean she I love that woman. Smart and charismatic.

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Speaker 1: Talk about the ultimate housewife. All right, Kelly, I love you,

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Speaker 1: Love you guys, love me some Kelly, Ben Simone, love you.

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Speaker 2: See you next time. Bye, guys,