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Speaker 1: A mom here in Lake Jackson wasn't scared to get

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Speaker 1: the True Crime podcast, Tom Peter, America's leading personal safety expert,

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Speaker 1: author of Tom Petteri's Personal Protection Handbook. I've read it.

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Speaker 1: It's awesome. Rory Welch, Administrative Sergeant Lake Jackson, Texas PD. Wow,

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Speaker 1: thanks for taking your time to be with us. I'm

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Speaker 1: G West, m D. Joining us out of Ohio forensic

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Speaker 1: psychiatrist specializing and sexually deviant behavior. Boy, do we need

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Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcot, judge and trial lawyer joining us anchor at

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Speaker 1: lined street. It looks like a great neighborhood. And I'm

421
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Speaker 1: guessing with a low crime rate. Yes, man, it is

422
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: a very good neighborhood, very safe neighborhood. You know why

423
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: I say that because so many people think, Sergeant that, well,

424
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:13,360
Speaker 1: that won't happen in my neighborhood. That's not true. This

425
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 1: neighborhood is It looks like Beaver Cliver's neighborhood. Did you

426
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 1: look at it online? It's where everybody wants to live.

427
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: And this is where this mom is trying to raise

428
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: her children crime stories with Nancy Grace this p I

429
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 1: haven't even gotten to the good part. And also I'm

430
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: going to circle back with doctor West, Doctor West. The

431
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: fact that this guy didn't run away, He stopped, and

432
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: he stood there and stared back at the house. And

433
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: when the mom goes after him, he stares right at her.

434
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: That tells me something, But just as a trial layer,

435
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 1: I'm not sure it tells me, uneducated that he's not

436
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: really afraid that he's so fixated on that girl and

437
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: that house he would risk standing there being identified rather

438
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: than hi to talent and get out of there. Yeah,

439
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 1: so I think Ashley hit the nail on the head

440
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: when she said that they don't think it's a problem.

441
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: This is a actually Interestingly, when you go to see

442
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: a mental health provider, it's usually because you're in distressed, right, So,

443
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: you have depression, you have anxiety, you see a doctor.

444
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: This is the one set of diagnoses that does not

445
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: require the individual to be in distressed by their own actions.

446
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: It actually has the caveat that it can be distressing

447
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: to someone else, which makes it kind of a unique thing.

448
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: Back to you, Miss Pinya, the victim's mom. So you

449
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: come around the house, you look, and there he is

450
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: looking right at you. What happened, Well, he didn't actually

451
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: see me since I peeked around the house, but he

452
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: was looking this direction. So when I went back at

453
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: the house, yes, man, when I realized he was looking

454
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: back this way, I ducked back behind the house again

455
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: because I didn't want to scare him off. So I

456
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: ducked back behind the house again, and I waited a

457
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: second and I peeked back around and he had turned

458
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: around and he was walking back around this camper that is,

459
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: you know, and that person's driveway, not even running. No, no, no.

460
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: Whenever he started walking back around, that's when I started

461
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: walking through my yard and onto the sidewalk to go

462
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: down that way. And right about that time when I

463
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: hit the sidewalk, the police, I think it was two

464
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: cars from each direction from down my street was coming

465
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: down and the cop jumped out of his SUV really quick,

466
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: and I told him, I said, the gentleman just went

467
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: around that camper, right, You actually called him a gentleman. Well,

468
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: I have Southern manners, so I'm sorry, but yes, and

469
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: they I don't know if I would have been as Valey,

470
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: but go ahead. Well, they went running down that way

471
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: to get him, and by this time my daughter had

472
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: walked out of the house and was standing next to me,

473
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: and that's that's her in the video with me, and

474
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: me and her were just watching them down that way

475
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: and we could hear the cops yelling telling him to

476
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: get on the ground. One cop tried to grab him

477
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: and he wasn't able to get him because he was

478
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: running pretty quick. Another cop tried to taze him, and

479
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: when I heard the taser, I thought, okay, they you know,

480
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: they got him, were good. Well, the taser missed him

481
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: and it got the back of his jacket instead of

482
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: making contact. And that was at the point where the

483
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,479
Speaker 1: video starts and you can see me going from like

484
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: the demeanor of just like standing there watching to oh, crab, like,

485
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: he's coming back this way. And that was the point where,

486
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: you know, I realized he was coming this way and

487
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: he wasn't going to stop. So that's when I took

488
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: out some tackle moves that I didn't know I had.

489
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: And that was probably the craziest thing is I didn't

490
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: even realize what I did until I saw the video.

491
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: And probably the next creepiest thing past him staring back

492
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: this way, was when I tackled him, he looked at me.

493
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: If you look in the video, he's looking directly at me,

494
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: and he tells me I wasn't going to hurt her

495
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: as she okay, And that right there was enough to

496
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: just left me speechless. I can't believe you didn't punch

497
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: him right in the mouth, or even saying that I

498
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,959
Speaker 1: didn't get a chance too, because literally, if you notice

499
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: in the video, I'm just staring at him because I'm

500
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: in shock. And then the police caught up and you know,

501
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: took over. So it's I didn't even have a moment

502
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,479
Speaker 1: of you know, to even think about, you know, let

503
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: me punch him or you know what I mean. I

504
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: was just in shock because you tackle him like an

505
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: NFL linebacker, Lady, I mean, you go right for the

506
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: gut and bring him down. All the time your daughters

507
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: going no, Mom, no, no, guys. Take a listen to

508
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: our friend Michael la Party kp RCTV channel to Houston.

509
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: Mom had just returned home from the store around seven

510
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning when she saw a man in

511
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: her yard. She says he was able to get away

512
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: from two officers, but not from her. Even if you

513
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: think you can run from the cops, good luck getting

514
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: past this. Mom. I figured, at least I can do

515
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: if I got him down, trip them up, whatever, then

516
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: they have the chance to get caught up. That's Phillis pinion.

517
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: The red shirt first instinct was just to make sure

518
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: you didn't go any further. Captured on police dash camp

519
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: taking down a man, she says was trying to look

520
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: into her fifteen year old daughter's bedroom window early on

521
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: a Sunday morning. My kids are my life, and you know,

522
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: just making sure I protect him pretty much. Lake Jackson

523
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: Police Sergeant Rory Welch gave her some credit. It was

524
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: a pretty good tackle, that's you, Sar Joel well So

525
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: joining me from Lake Jackson, Texas Police Department. It was

526
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: a good tackle. Tell me what does the tackle look

527
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: like when you when you saw what went down or

528
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,479
Speaker 1: when I saw the video. I was pretty impressed with her,

529
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: her tackling skills. She did a good job. Why did

530
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: you go for a miss pin? Yet? Did you go

531
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: for the stomach, the knees, the crotch? Honestly, whenever he

532
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: was running towards me, it wasn't you know. You don't

533
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: have a minute to even think about which where you're going,

534
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's just more of I

535
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: just wanted to make sure I grabbed hold of him

536
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: and he didn't go anywhere, and luckily I got the

537
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: right spot. I mean, well technically not the right spot,

538
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: because the right spot would have been a little bit lower,

539
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: but the right spot to get him down. And then

540
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: when you got him down, he says, I didn't hurt her.

541
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: Is she okay. Yeah, he said I wasn't going to

542
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: hurt her? Is she okay? And my daughter heard it too,

543
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: and she was like, what in the world. You know

544
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: what I mean because she ran over there and was

545
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: helping hold him down. When you go for this guy

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00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: and full on tackle him, I think you had on

547
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: shorts and you took him down on the asphalt. Were

548
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: you aware, for instance, the pain when you hit the

549
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 1: asphalt and the tackle when you went down yourself. Were

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00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: you aware your daughter was yelling, don't, mom, don't Was

551
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: any of that seeping in. No. I didn't realize that

552
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: I hurt myself until after I got up and I

553
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 1: lost my glasses in it. I lost my shoe, my cellphone,

554
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: like everything went flying, so I was kicking up everything

555
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,439
Speaker 1: and then my daughter was like, oh my gosh, Mom,

556
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: look at your leg. And I looked down and I'm

557
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: just dripping blood, and I'm like, oh, what sucks, you know,

558
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: But in that moment, adrenaline, you know. I remember when

559
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: my son went missing in a giant baby throw us

560
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: a warehouse. I grabbed my daughter, they were a little

561
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: over two at the time, like a football under one arm,

562
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:16,280
Speaker 1: and started running and screaming, and I remember I didn't

563
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: hear or notice anything around me until I saw my son.

564
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: And I'm just imagining that moment for you. But I

565
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 1: want you to take a listen to our friend ar

566
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: Cut twelve, Gloria Riviera at ABC News. This is not

567
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: the first time a mom fears nothing. Listen well, one night,

568
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 1: listen on on my phone. He's on Lower River Road

569
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 1: on the EBA some of the stack clad mountain land.

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00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: A Colorado mother a hero tonight, overpowering a mountain lion

571
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 1: to save her young son. The boy, just five years old,

572
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: playing in the yard with his older brother in a

573
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: rural neighborhood outside of Aspen, hearing screams his mom running

574
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: outside to find her son's head in the mouth of

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Speaker 1: a predator. Authorities describing how she was able to physically

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00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: remove her son from the lion, prying open it's jaws,

577
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: freeing the boy. This mother did everything right. She went

578
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: out there and saved her child from the lion, and

579
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: that's actually absolutely what you should do. Mountain lions are

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00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: not uncommon in Colorado, but attacks are rare. You want

581
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: to fight, you want to put up a resistance, and

582
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: you want the animal to know that you're not an

583
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: easy prey. The boy lived thanks to mommy literally prying

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00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: open the mouth of a mountain lion to save her

585
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: five year old son, Miss Pinion. When you look back

586
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: at what happened, what do you recall? And you know,

587
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 1: I recall just being completely in shock the whole time

588
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: because you never think something like that it's gonna ever happen,

589
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: you know, to your home, to your kids, you know,

590
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: anything that m and just my whole thought, the whole

591
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: entire time, was just like he cannot get away because

592
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: you know, you don't know if he'll come back, or

593
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: he'll you know, look in someone else's window, or you know,

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00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: going back to and I apologize, I forget you know

595
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: who had said it, but about you know, people thinking

596
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 1: when they do a crime, but it's it's no big deal.

597
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,240
Speaker 1: You know, my daughter she hears noises out her window,

598
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: whether it be a cat or something, and it's too

599
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 1: scared too. Levi pay he's joining US investigative reporter with

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Speaker 1: Crime Online dot com hostop Crime and Scandal true crime podcast, LEVI.

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00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: Who is this guy? Zane Hawkins? I mean to look

602
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: at him, he looks like he's afraid to drink a

603
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 1: glass of milk for Pete's sake. But that's not true. Yeah,

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00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,479
Speaker 1: that is not true, Nancy. He was arrested after thanks

605
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: to this mother tackling, and he was booked, and he's

606
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: racing charges of position of a controlled substance, evading arrest,

607
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: and resisting arrest. And Nancy, people say that this is

608
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: a victimless crime, Peeping Tom, But did you know that

609
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: the Golden State killer that terrorized California for decades, Southern California,

610
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: he was a serial rapist, a serial murder, one of

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00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: the most prolific in US history. He started out as

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00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: a peeping tom. People in that area reported a mass

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00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: man staring in their window, and those reported reportings happened

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00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: before the murders took place. He started out as a

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00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: peeping tom. He graduated to breaking in and going through

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00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: women's underwear drawers. Then he started sex attacking, and then

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Speaker 1: he started murdering. Okay, Sarjan Welch, I hope you heard that,

618
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: because I'm truly vindicated. Now. Okay, so guys joining me

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Speaker 1: right now, very special guest, America's leading personal safety expert,

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Speaker 1: author of Tampa Terris Personal Protection Handbook, Tom what do

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00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: we do about purves like this guy? Okay, so first

622
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: we have to understand that somewhere, at some time he

623
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 1: spotted this person, this young lady. So situational awareness comes

624
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: in as a key factor. We got to pay more

625
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 1: attention to what's going on because these guys look for patterns,

626
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: they look for people that aren't paying attention. Then they

627
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: go look at the houses. Is there any access in there?

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00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 1: Is there any way you know, they can go around

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00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 1: shrubbery or things that cover and conceal them. So that's

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Speaker 1: phase one. You know. Phase two is always have that

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Speaker 1: home prepared if you don't have a firearm, and then

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Speaker 1: they do say this if you do have one, make

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Speaker 1: sure you're trained in safety and engagement. Don't just fire

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00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: weapons to fire them, but you can also use your

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00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: bathroom or a kitchen and make instant pepper sprays. Anything

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00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: with aerosol that has alcohol, anything with pepper base, anything

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00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: with salt base comes instant blinders. So if somebody's in

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00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,919
Speaker 1: your home, you know, you don't want to take them

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Speaker 1: on their own terms. You want to take them on

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Speaker 1: on your terms. If it's nighttime, you leave the lights

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Speaker 1: off because you know your house better than anyone. So

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00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: these people are like, you know, a mouse and the maids.

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Speaker 1: They're trying to find the way out. You know, if

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Speaker 1: it's daytime, you know, you secure yourself called nine one one.

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00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,240
Speaker 1: The police are experts at what they do. Just stay

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Speaker 1: on the phone, talk to them. Make sure you barricade

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00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: yourself in there and let the police enter in and

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00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: only leave those rooms when the police tell you to.

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Speaker 1: Tampaterry with me, America's leading personal safety expert, an author

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Speaker 1: of Tampa Terris Personal Protection Handbook on Amazon. Tampaterri, You've

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Speaker 1: said something that really piqued my interest, and that is

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Speaker 1: access to the home. What do you think of putting

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00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: something like a holly bush or a prickly bush, a

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Speaker 1: sharp type of leafed bush around all your windows. Yeah? Again,

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Speaker 1: you want to make the decor of the house, so

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00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: something like rose bushes come in hand the holly bushes.

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Speaker 1: But I will tell you the best deterrent in the world.

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00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: Get a good dog that's territorial, and believe me, he

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00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: will do everything for you because he is territorial. He

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00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: will hear these people coming a mile away, he will

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00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: let you know they're there. And should that dog come

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00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: out onto property, and somebody's there, he will do what

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Speaker 1: he's supposed to do and protect a home. And what

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Speaker 1: do you make a motion sensor lights outside? I like them,

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00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: you know, I think they're good, but you know, different

666
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 1: storms can set them off and triggers or make a move,

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00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 1: so there's something that you have to check on and

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00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: make sure you're adjusted. You could also put him inside

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Speaker 1: your walkway so somebody who steps up walking to your

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00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: front door and all it lights the whole house up.

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Speaker 1: So really big on them, you know. Good point? Tomba

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Speaker 1: Terry with me, America's leading personal safety expert and author

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Speaker 1: of a best seller Tamba Terris personal protection handbook, Phillispinia

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Speaker 1: The Hero Today, I understand that you may be offered

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Speaker 1: a job either with the NFL pros or back at

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Speaker 1: the police station. What is your message today, miss opinion?

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Speaker 1: You know, I know that you're always so to you know,

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Speaker 1: see something, say something, but so many people don't. So

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00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: many people are scared of what might happen. And I've

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Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of comments and people have told

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Speaker 1: me that, you know, well what if he had a gun, Well,

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Speaker 1: what if he had a knife, you could have got hurt.

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Speaker 1: You know, when you're protecting your kids. Those kind of

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Speaker 1: things aren't something that you consider. You know, you don't

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Speaker 1: consider whether or not you're going to get hurt in

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Speaker 1: the process, because I can't have my child living in fear.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're all scared of what might happen, and

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Speaker 1: that's why we don't do something to, you know, stop things.

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Speaker 1: And it's just it's it's sad because it happens way

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Speaker 1: too often where people just aren't willing to stop things

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Speaker 1: from happening. So criminals, I fortunately, think that they can

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Speaker 1: get away with it because people are scared. You are

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00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: so right, Miss Penia. How's your daughter? She's okay? Um,

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Speaker 1: Like I said the other day, you know, I asked

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Speaker 1: her because I realized I hadn't really talked with her

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Speaker 1: about the situation, and I asked her how she was doing,

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Speaker 1: and you know, how she felt, and she just said that,

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Speaker 1: you know, she's really skittish, you know, because we don't

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Speaker 1: have answers the you know, he never said anything well

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Speaker 1: what he was which obviously we know what he was

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Speaker 1: doing there, but you know, just how many times had

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Speaker 1: happened before, you know, so she's definitely it's going to

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00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: take her a little while to get over it. And

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Speaker 1: that's why I said, it's not a you know, okay

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Speaker 1: thing to do. And I know that they don't see

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Speaker 1: harm in it because they're just looking in a window.

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Speaker 1: But then you get especially because she's fifteen, get her

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Speaker 1: scared of every noise she hears outside her window. And

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Speaker 1: Miss Pinya not just protecting your daughter, but who knows

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Speaker 1: what he would have done next time. I'd worry abo

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Speaker 1: if I hadn't got home when I did. Tipline the

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Speaker 1: I wish all our stories had this happy ending. Goodbye friend,