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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.

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Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your

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Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey

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Speaker 1: and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and

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Speaker 1: Bell Collective. Every episode we recap reality television from the

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Speaker 1: Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in

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Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or

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Speaker 1: scripted as well.

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Speaker 2: What mister knowles up, Carlo, I am in the castle.

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Speaker 3: Come here, it's really here. He brought my favorite about

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Speaker 3: your favorite.

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Speaker 4: My mama raised me, right, she did.

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Speaker 3: Yes, don't go no one's.

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Speaker 4: House empty handed. Never Well, you know this is you.

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Speaker 4: I'm in a presence of a legend.

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Speaker 2: I got to make sure I looked the part, dressed

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Speaker 2: apart and you.

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Speaker 4: Know, come looking good.

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Speaker 3: So you're looking great.

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Speaker 4: Okay, you come from Atlanta.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I was just in Atlanta.

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Speaker 4: You are literally making some deals.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, yeah I did.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Look at the art. My mister knows the artwork.

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Speaker 3: That I have to tell you about this house. We

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Speaker 3: bought this house four years ago. It was built in

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Speaker 3: the nineties by a black man. A black man was

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Speaker 3: the same man, architect and builder in our whole neighborhood,

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Speaker 3: sixty five houses, he built two, and we're grateful and

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Speaker 3: fortunate to be in one. And it has that spirit.

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Speaker 3: It does spirits that spirit. I feel that a black man,

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Speaker 3: this is good. Got the summer. That was that was,

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Speaker 3: that was, That's that. I love showing this stairback. This

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Speaker 3: is why I bought the house. This is why I

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Speaker 3: bought the house.

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Speaker 4: Right TV Crims, all right, we TV what you got?

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Speaker 4: Oh lord, no, yo, I've never seen that before. I've

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Speaker 4: never seen that before.

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Speaker 3: So when we first looked at the house, Gina, who's

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Speaker 3: your biggest fan bout it? Gena was down here with

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Speaker 3: the realature, you know, we were looking down here. Then

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Speaker 3: he was like, let's go upstairs. So I just stayed

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Speaker 3: right here. They got upstairs and he said, I don't

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Speaker 3: think your husband liked this house. She was like, no,

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Speaker 3: he's trying to figure out he's gonna bite it because

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Speaker 3: that is it was ray on. My price was raised.

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Speaker 3: Look at that.

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Speaker 4: Oh god, I can't beat that.

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Speaker 1: Come in, man, well, listen, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: inviding me in your home.

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Speaker 4: You have no your home is beautiful. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: You and miss Gina did a splendid job.

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Speaker 3: Well we've been here four years now, okay, and it

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Speaker 3: was a hot mess when we moved there, but we're

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Speaker 3: there now, we're there, We're happy.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: Gina trusts me to design this. The person that built

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Speaker 3: this house was a black man. I love that, you know,

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Speaker 3: I love that. So we're we're we're at home. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, listen, I give all the props to your wife, Gina,

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Speaker 2: because she's the reason why I'm sitting here.

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Speaker 3: She is.

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Speaker 4: I've been telling to day. You have no idea who

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Speaker 4: I was. And when my.

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Speaker 2: Team reached out to you to request the interview, I

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Speaker 2: was told by my producer you said, but first of all,

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Speaker 2: who is this Carlos King you talk about?

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Speaker 4: And then you told your wife She said, oh, I

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Speaker 4: love him.

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Speaker 3: You need to do it absolutely, And I was like, rollo,

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Speaker 3: who is that? She was like, you have to know

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Speaker 3: who that is? Well I was like, okay, because I

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Speaker 3: trust her, Yeah, I trust her. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well no, it's going to be good. So listen, I

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Speaker 4: want to start by saying this, and I mean this.

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Speaker 2: With every fiber in my being, with every sentiment in

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Speaker 2: my soul. Okay, this interview means the world to me because,

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Speaker 2: unbeknownst to.

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Speaker 4: You, I have followed.

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Speaker 2: Your career since I was fifteen years old. What fifteen,

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Speaker 2: I'm forty five. I'm forty five years old.

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Speaker 4: Okay, you are someone that I.

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Speaker 2: Have looked up to for thirty years and counting.

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Speaker 4: And the reason why I wanted you to.

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Speaker 2: Know that is because you have no idea the impact

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Speaker 2: that you have made on my life being a black

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Speaker 2: man in an industry that at fifteen years old I

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Speaker 2: knew I wanted to be a part of. I do

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Speaker 2: reality television and podcasting and digital, but I don't know

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Speaker 2: at fifteen I.

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Speaker 4: Was going to do that.

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Speaker 2: But for me, mister Knowles, I saw a black man

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Speaker 2: who took charge of a white, male dominated industry and

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Speaker 2: you did it unapologetically. You did it with such a

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Speaker 2: masterful strategy, and I don't think you get the props

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Speaker 2: you deserve.

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Speaker 4: So I want you to know this. Okay.

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Speaker 2: I'm here to give you your flowers. I'm here to

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Speaker 2: give you your respect, and I also want to be

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Speaker 2: able to use my platform to educate my peers and

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Speaker 2: the younger generation on the establishment that you have created

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Speaker 2: and curated for people like me to be able to

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Speaker 2: take your blueprint. And it doesn't mean you have to

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Speaker 2: be in the music industry is for ever person in

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Speaker 2: the world who came from a community where they were

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Speaker 2: invisible and dominated, and this interview, this conversation rather is

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Speaker 2: an opportunity for me to let the world know how

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Speaker 2: much not only mean to me, but what you mean

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Speaker 2: to our industry.

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, thank you. Those are very, very surprising.

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Speaker 3: You never know who's watching, who's looking, what influence you have.

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Speaker 3: So to hear you say that, I say with gratitude,

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Speaker 3: thank you.

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Speaker 4: Now, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 2: So listen, I want to get into your background, because

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Speaker 2: let's take us back.

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Speaker 4: A little bit, mister Knowles when it comes to.

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Speaker 2: The fact that you were born at a time of

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Speaker 2: the pre civil rights movement in Alabama, and I just

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Speaker 2: kind of want to know, like your story terms of

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Speaker 2: what that was like for you and how you were

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Speaker 2: able to become who you are today.

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Speaker 3: So I was wanting eighteen fifty two so that due

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Speaker 3: the math a little small town Gaston, Alabama. I understand you,

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Speaker 3: No Huntsville, I understand you.

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Speaker 4: No, thank you Oprah.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but born in Gaston and my mother lived in

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Speaker 3: a smaller town. Grew up in Marion, Alabama, and went

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Speaker 3: to high school. Actually went Kreta King and Andrew Young's wife.

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Speaker 3: So imagine these three ladies going to high school together

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Speaker 3: and Mary and Alabama. Just like Correta, my mother took

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Speaker 3: up the torch of desegregation. And when she moved to

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Speaker 3: black school. Now imagine that. So fifty two Elementary I

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Speaker 3: would have been six years later in fifty eight Integrated Elementary,

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Speaker 3: Integrated Litchfield Junior High, Gaston High, University of Tennessee at Chattanooga.

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Speaker 3: And so growing up in Gaston, there was a lot,

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Speaker 3: a lot of challenges. I've been spit on, I've been

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Speaker 3: electric pridate, you know, ran by the state troopers running

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Speaker 3: after us, after doing boycouts, boycotts, all of that. That's

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Speaker 3: how I grew up. I had a lot of trauma

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Speaker 3: when I think about gas in Alabama and had to

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Speaker 3: go to therapy for years for that trauma.

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Speaker 2: Well, did you gotta go to therapy starting when as

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Speaker 2: an adult or do you have to go through that

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Speaker 2: through your childhood as an adult as an adult and

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Speaker 2: the trauma that you experienced, did that show up a

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Speaker 2: lot in your adulthood.

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Speaker 3: I would say not a lot, but at some point

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Speaker 3: I unraveled, had too much going on, and it showed

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Speaker 3: up very very strongly then.

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Speaker 2: And did therapy teach you how to sort of deal

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Speaker 4: Like? What was that process like for you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Therapy did. Because there's triggers, right, you know, there's

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Speaker 3: things that trigger and trauma, and so I had to

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Speaker 3: learn how to understand those triggers. I had to learn

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Speaker 3: various how to Workaholism is a thing, just like alcoholism,

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Speaker 3: the isms. So you know, all of it is about

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Speaker 3: escaping from society, right, just escaping from the moment we

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Speaker 3: use work, drugs, alcohol, whatever it could be. And so

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Speaker 3: I had to understand that I had to understand the

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Speaker 3: Matthew control sometimes my behavior.

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Speaker 2: What's fascinating is you grew up, you know, with this

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Speaker 2: horrific sort of experiences by being sped on and all

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Speaker 2: the other stuff, but you were able to sort of

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Speaker 2: as a man, enter a career, you know, working as Xerox,

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Speaker 2: where you were, you know, a top executive there. How

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Speaker 2: did that experience your childhood manifest to where you were

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Speaker 2: still able to dominate an industry that at this point

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Speaker 2: was it even in the music industry. But you were

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Speaker 2: able to sort of be this executive at this company

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Speaker 2: and do amazing sales during that time.

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Speaker 3: I want to come back to that, because I listened

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Speaker 3: very well. You said a word horrific. In my childhood,

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Speaker 3: my childhood, as tough as it was, I had these

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Speaker 3: amazing parents. My mom and dad were amazing black people.

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Speaker 3: My mom made three dollars a day as a colored maid.

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Speaker 3: She convinced that white woman to give her all her

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Speaker 3: had to as they got older, I had to thread

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Speaker 3: these beautiful quilts. My dad made thirty dollars a week

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Speaker 3: as a truck driver, and he would convince those white

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Speaker 3: folks that own the produced company to keep that truck

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Speaker 3: twenty four to seven, and he would tear down the

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Speaker 3: old houses, sell the copper aluminum, all the wood, the medals.

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Speaker 3: He would go because in Alabama, as you know, they

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Speaker 3: sometimes abandoned their cars in the front yard if it

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Speaker 3: didn't stop he would go buy a car for twenty

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Speaker 3: five dollars and sell every part on it. So my

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Speaker 3: parents as well as my grandparents were entrepreneurs, and I

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Speaker 3: love that. They always gave me hope. They all always

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Speaker 3: told me I could do anything I wanted to at length,

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Speaker 3: So I just wanted to go back for a minute, rewind,

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Speaker 3: and then now I answer your question about corporate America.

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Speaker 3: You're get a CeNSE of me now right, Yeah, No.

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Speaker 4: I love that.

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Speaker 2: But the thing before we even into that, you come

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Speaker 2: from a family entrepreneur.

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Speaker 4: So was that instilled in you as a kid.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely that, Sir Davis Whiskey, that's my grandfather, My grandfather,

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Speaker 3: Dave Holk, Marion, Alabama. Two hundred acres of land. Let

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Speaker 3: me tell you what my genius granddad did. He would

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Speaker 3: partial off like fifty acres to the paper mill in

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Speaker 3: this little town and they would come cut off the trees,

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Speaker 3: clear the bush and they would lease the land from him,

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Speaker 3: and then he would go behind them and farm. They

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Speaker 3: would pay him to clear off the land. Genius. Genius.

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Speaker 3: And at the same time it was a little creek

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Speaker 3: that ran through his property that he became a moonshine distributor.

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Speaker 3: I remember I was about twelve years old and there

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Speaker 3: was a knock on the door when Saturday, these three

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Speaker 3: my grandmother, it's mister Hole here. So it was the

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Speaker 3: first time I ever heard a white man called a

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Speaker 3: black man. Mister. I mean, I'm so proud of my grandfather.

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Speaker 3: You spent a lot of time with me. And on

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Speaker 3: What year was that? It was nineteen eighty six, December

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Speaker 2: And what was your job exactly? Because it was doing sales,

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Speaker 4: So she's making money.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we did good.

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Speaker 4: So going back to that time, so here you are.

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Speaker 2: You are dominating in Texas at this time, and during

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Speaker 2: Can you talk to me about how y'all met and

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Speaker 3: I was still at xie Rox Medical and my roommate

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Speaker 2: Her, and you approached her and said, I am mister Knowles.

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Speaker 3: I approached her like she was holding my vinyl with

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Speaker 3: like please hold my vinyl like this, like I really

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Speaker 4: Yep, mister Knowles. You asked the question, and I love

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Speaker 5: And your way of breaking the ice is correcting the

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Speaker 3: Even trying to break.

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Speaker 4: You gonna make sure your vinyl.

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Speaker 3: I was trying to break ice. I just wanted my battel.

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Speaker 4: So what was her response to that?

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Speaker 3: Kind of looked at me crazy? What That's that's how

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Speaker 2: This is Reality with the King and I'm Carlos King.

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Speaker 2: Let's get back into the show. So what was it

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Speaker 4: Mss Tina that this is my wife? I said, I

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Speaker 2: How happy people get to know your comedic side.

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Speaker 4: You know, people think you're so serious.

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Speaker 2: I love I love the fact that you actually are jokester.

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Speaker 3: I have a joke that they don't now, if they don't.

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Speaker 4: Know before, they know.

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Speaker 3: Now every night, Gina, we we crack. I have her

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Speaker 3: But I'll tell you one thing that was really funny.

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Speaker 4: I never put that together.

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Speaker 3: Make sure I say Tina, yes, Gina correct asking me

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Speaker 3: So I didn't see her really for almost seven or

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Speaker 3: So I use my business card to then say that

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Speaker 3: I told you Visa. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: The fact that we get to talk about this, I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I got the wrong one. I got excited.

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Speaker 4: Okay. So then the coffee shop thing happened.

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Speaker 2: So you guys were able to communicate, hang out.

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Speaker 4: Obviously, you guys get married.

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Speaker 2: When you look back on your life at the time,

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Speaker 2: I'm successful, I'm a great job, I met this great woman.

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Speaker 4: Is this the next step for me in my life?

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Speaker 3: At fifteen? You were thinking this when you follow me,

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Speaker 4: Come on, man, come on, man, this to know I

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Speaker 5: He's like, because you know, there's there's there's there's there's

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Speaker 3: Mister Knowles, I appreciate you for having this conversation with me.

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Speaker 3: I really do, really do.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

441
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 3: So what was your question?

442
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 4: I forgot that was.

443
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 2: Okay, So when you got married, did you think at

444
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 2: the time like that was just the right thing to

445
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 2: do just based on like what we're taught during that.

446
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 4: Era in our lives that okay, graduating.

447
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 3: My brain did when you said when you got married,

448
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 3: I just immediately went to Jena, you want to stay

449
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 3: on this conversation?

450
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 4: No no, no, no no we could.

451
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 2: No no no, we could.

452
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 4: Move on from Yeah, we'll move on from that.

453
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 2: So the thing for me, though, that I really wanted

454
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: to get into, is you have this successful life for yourself,

455
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 2: a successful career for yourself. What made you though I

456
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 2: feel like, Hm, I see my child be this person

457
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 2: at the talent show who's doing great, but I have

458
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 2: this great job that is taking care of me and

459
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 2: my family. What wasn't in your mind that said to yourself,

460
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 2: maybe this is the risk that I should take because that,

461
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 2: to me, in my opinion, mister Knowles doesn't get talked

462
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: about enough because I know what it's like to leave

463
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 2: one career and tab it to another and have success

464
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 2: in it. But it's scary and it takes a lot

465
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 2: of prayer, a lot of faith, a lot of belief.

466
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 2: What was it at that time that you felt the

467
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 2: need to have at leap of faith?

468
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 3: Well, I think you know often and you'll probably be

469
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 3: the first to get the interview right. Most articles say

470
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 3: I left Xerox and went on with Beyonce career. I

471
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 3: left Xerox in nineteen eighty eight. The then president of

472
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 3: Xerox Medical Systems went to another diagnostic imaging company, Phillips

473
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 3: was Picker International, which became Phillips. And I became the

474
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 3: first black in America to sell MRI and CT scanners

475
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty eight. And that's really important that we

476
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 3: get that right. That's a big damn deal that you

477
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 3: were selling a four million dollar piece of equipment that

478
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 3: it takes another two million to install in nineteen eighty eight.

479
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 3: And you've got to explain technology because his first generation

480
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 3: stayed there five six years, and then I went to

481
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 3: Johnson and Johnson in one of their divisions called Codman

482
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 3: as a neurosurgical specialist. I don't want that to get

483
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 3: erased because that was those eight years was before Beyonce.

484
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 3: So when I started working with Beyonce, I had twenty

485
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 3: years of corporate America experience in sales and marketing, being

486
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 3: the number one sales rep in the world, so I

487
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 3: had this. I want people to know what I brought

488
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 3: to the music industry. And so here's this six seven

489
00:30:53,320 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 3: year old that's passionate about music. She's quiet, she always

490
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 3: listening to music cause music wasn't around a a house

491
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 3: all the time. And and she finally, uh is in

492
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 3: elementary school and decides she wants to compete in a

493
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 3: H A A A music contest and we say yes.

494
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 3: And it's middle school kids, so we're saying she's gonna lose,

495
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,479
Speaker 3: you know, but let's make sure she she didn't you know,

496
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 3: fall hard, uh that we hold her while she fall,

497
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 3: but she didn't, uh I. And she got there and

498
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 3: sitting there for the event and said, hey, mom, dad,

499
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 3: I'm getting bored. When am I gonna go up and

500
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 3: sing so I can get my trophy of my hundred dollars.

501
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 3: And we were like, how do you know you're gonna win?

502
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 3: And I was like, you know, you know they're older,

503
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 3: you might not win this first time. She said, oh no,

504
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 3: I'm gonna win. And when she got on that stage,

505
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 3: you know, one of her albums is named Sasha Fears.

506
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 3: This is why this story I'm telling you, because when

507
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 3: she stepped on that stage at eight nine years old,

508
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 3: she became Sasha Fierce. Something happened once she got on

509
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 3: that stage, and that's when I knew, and my former

510
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 3: wife knew that something special was here, that she really

511
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 3: was passionate. And then the role of a parent, my

512
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 3: belief is not to say I want you to be

513
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 3: this when you grow up. I teach a lot of those.

514
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 3: I teach a lot of students who parents told them

515
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 3: they wanted to be this, a doctor attorney, but that

516
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 3: wasn't what they wanted to do. So we were never

517
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 3: that way. I was never that way, but we supported her.

518
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 3: Then you surround your child with the tools. So she

519
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 3: got in dance a true excelled in that, got her

520
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 3: vocal lessons. Was really passionate about that. Then one day,

521
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 3: just out of nowhere, we owned a major hair salon

522
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 3: in Houston. These ladies came and said, no, that was

523
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 3: when these young groups were coming, sir, all those little

524
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 3: young kids were doing it that they wanted to form

525
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 3: a young girl group and they wanted Beyonce to be

526
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 3: the lead of it, the lead singer of it. That's

527
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 3: how it all came about.

528
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 2: And was this something that Because I want to get

529
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 2: this part of the story right, there were two managers

530
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 2: at the time from my understanding, you're being one of them,

531
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 2: and I believe miss and.

532
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 4: Tillman is not at this time, not at this so

533
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 4: that that was later.

534
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 2: So when the sort of development of the group happened,

535
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: was that solely your vision.

536
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 3: It was another step, and that step was the they

537
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 3: were young. I'll call them girls, the Girls, they will

538
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 3: call it Girls Time Accident, Girl's Time. We producer from Sosilito, California,

539
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 3: Arnie Frager. He had this amazing top recording studio, record plant,

540
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 3: Prince Dinah, Ross, you name it, that's where everybody would go.

541
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 3: And he signed The Girl's Time to a production deal. Again,

542
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 3: they were like ten eleven years old, and he got

543
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 3: them on Star Search, and as a dad, I went

544
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 3: because they thought they were gonna win for a month

545
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 3: and they got an extra hotel room just for the wardrobe,

546
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 3: and my job was just to help with the wardrobe.

547
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 3: But then they go and compete against a forty year

548
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 3: old rock band and lose. And I had shared with

549
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,280
Speaker 3: the managers that I thought it was the wrong song

550
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 3: because it had rap in it. I was like, these

551
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,439
Speaker 3: fifty year old white men that are judging, they've never

552
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 3: heard rap. I researched and watched previous shows. I don't

553
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 3: think this is a good idea. I think you should

554
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 3: do this beautiful ballad and Beyonce, they weren't even leading

555
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 3: the song. It wasn't about that, it was about winning.

556
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 3: I said, I think you should do this beautiful ballad. No, no,

557
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 3: we know what we're doing. And they lost. Asked ed McMahon,

558
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 3: what do a dad do? These kids are crying. I

559
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 3: don't know what do I do because all I used

560
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,919
Speaker 3: to do was drop Beyonce off, go play basketball, pick

561
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 3: her up. And he said, for some reason, the folks

562
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 3: that consistently win on Star Search go nowhere. It's the

563
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 3: one that lose. And you know the names, he started saying,

564
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 3: Boys to Men, Alna s, Marcet, Britney Spears, justin Timberlake.

565
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 3: I can go on and on and on. These people

566
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 3: lost on Star Search, and he said, for some reason,

567
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 3: it's a defining moment. They go back and they change,

568
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 3: they change the organization, they change members. He said, boys

569
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 3: and men, they changed the member that's not the same

570
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 3: group that was here, and they rededicate. And that's when

571
00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 3: I decided, why don't I transition. It's been twenty years.

572
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 3: That was my goal why don't I transition to the

573
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 3: music industry. I went back to school because I believe

574
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 3: knowledge is power, and I went to every seminar that

575
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 3: I could and began to build relationships. And by the way,

576
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 3: my first artist that I got signed, MCA Records, was

577
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 3: the number one urban record label. Everybody from Mary J. Blise,

578
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 3: the Puffy to you name it was there. Rapper in Houston.

579
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 3: Little Old is the first artist I ever got signed.

580
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 3: That Destiny shod. Oh see I got it all wrong.

581
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, well we're here to get a right.

582
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know that's right. There's this group called UGK.

583
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 3: That's the first tour I ever did with Little Old

584
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 3: and UGK. We went to all the clubs, was a

585
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 3: fight every night. I had my Ugk's Pempcy's mother, My

586
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 3: West was the manager for UGK, and I had the

587
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 3: brief briefcase. They had a bag of weed, a bottle

588
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 3: of Crown Royal and a forty five and the money.

589
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 3: That was my job to carry that briefcase and I

590
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 3: had a damn suit on. Everybody looking at me like

591
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 3: I'm crazy. And then after about ten of those I

592
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 3: was like, I can't do this though, so y'all got

593
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 3: it all wrong. How I did got in it, y'all

594
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 3: got it all wrong and finally got it right.

595
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 2: Well, that's off here because I do my research like

596
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 2: you did, so I'm glad we cleared that up when

597
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 2: you made a decision to focus on the music industry

598
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:42,919
Speaker 2: and do your research. Did you officially quit your full

599
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 2: time job at the time or were you still balancing both?

600
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 3: No, I officially quit my full time job. Transition. I

601
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 3: didn't quit. I always say you don't quit, you transition.

602
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 3: So I transitioned out slowly as I'm going to school.

603
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 3: But we had a million dollar business. I was also

604
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 3: co running Headliner's hair salon.

605
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 2: Yes, do you remember how much money you had in

606
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 2: your bank account to make such a risk? Like it

607
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,720
Speaker 2: was like no fear of Like I got the mortgage payments,

608
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 2: I got the property taxes, I got these kids in

609
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 2: private school.

610
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 4: You know you have this.

611
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 2: You lived in a nice, big house, you live in

612
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,919
Speaker 2: a suburban area, you live in the gated community. So

613
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 2: the sacrifice that you made for a dream. Mister knows

614
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 2: that at that time obviously wasn't happening.

615
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 4: But you you saw something. Because I do.

616
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 2: Believe that God gives every one of us in vision

617
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 2: that no one else can see.

618
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 4: And that's fine, but only you can see it.

619
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 2: But was there a moment where you look at your

620
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 2: account and say, all right, brother, you got maybe two

621
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 2: years to get this right, or are we gonna have

622
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 2: to like make some other plans.

623
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 3: Well, you said two traits in my with the DNA

624
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 3: of Achievers, ten traits of highly successful professional You just

625
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 3: said two of them risk taking and being a visionary.

626
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,240
Speaker 3: And I hope I was both of those of those traits.

627
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 3: I had a vision for the girls, and I was

628
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 3: willing to take a risk to the point that almost

629
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 3: lost our house, came very very close getting forecloses because

630
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 3: I was constantly spending money. I was sending packages out,

631
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 3: going to these all these meetings around the country, putting

632
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 3: the girls in the studio. You know, I had to

633
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 3: finance all of that, you know, So you know that

634
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 3: was a risk I was willing to take. But also

635
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 3: it wasn't just the girls. I had another artists again,

636
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 3: who I had then gotten signed to a record label.

637
00:39:55,160 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 3: So it was not I never left corporate America, be clear.

638
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 3: Just to do Beyonce, I love corporate America. To start

639
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 3: a music company, music World entertainment, which ended up being

640
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 3: management as well as record label. That was always a goal.

641
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 3: I'm not going to be doing a one off. You

642
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 3: obviously don't know me if you think I'm just going

643
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 3: to do a one off kind of thing. And I

644
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 3: hope we talk about music World in this conversation.

645
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, because I do want to get into the

646
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 2: fact of the company and how.

647
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 4: Much you sold it for you're still part of it,

648
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 4: all those.

649
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 2: Things, So that's definitely something I want to highlight too

650
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 2: in this conversation because to me, what I want to

651
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 2: of course highlight is the intentions behind these risks, because

652
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 2: I do feel like nowadays everybody wants a success, but

653
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 2: a lot of people don't want to take the sacrifices

654
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 2: that it takes to get there. And I think that

655
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,720
Speaker 2: you are the prime example of somebody who did it right.

656
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 4: And there's so many gems and lessons in your.

657
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: Story that I want to talk about because I know

658
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 2: that a lot of people be inspired by that. So

659
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 2: one of the things that I do want to get into

660
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 2: is the fact that you have this vision right.

661
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 4: And obviously it works, and we're going to get into.

662
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 2: All of the accolades that you have a mask for yourself.

663
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 2: But the one thing I've always wanted to ask you

664
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 2: because I to me, this is so specific, right in

665
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 2: terms of how you were able to have this vision

666
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 2: for this group. What made you say I'm going to

667
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 2: put you girls in high heels and jog and do

668
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 2: this sprint exercise?

669
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 4: Because did you know at the.

670
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 2: Time that I see longevity and I see you young

671
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 2: women being the superstars that will become the biggest girl

672
00:41:58,800 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 2: group of all time.

673
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 3: That's a number of questions and I'm gonna answer again.

674
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 3: I'm a research guy. I love to research, and I

675
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 3: believe how you practice is how you play because I'm

676
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 3: an athlete. I was a high school basketball star, I

677
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 3: played college basketball. How you practice is how you play.

678
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 3: So I wanted to make sure that when Destiny's Child practiced,

679
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 3: they didn't know the lights might go off, the sound

680
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 3: might drop, even down to the point that a heell

681
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 3: might break. So I wanted them to practice because this

682
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 3: is how they were going to have to play. And

683
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 3: when they were jogging and singing, that was for conditioning,

684
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 3: and all of those things become important. And so our

685
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 3: artist development has become you know, worldwide acclaim. You know,

686
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 3: artists a lot of artists have gone through our artists

687
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 3: Development camp all the way down to media. You know

688
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 3: how you answer conversations, So we were that thorough in

689
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 3: our approach to the industry.

690
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 2: Do you feel like when you enter the music industry

691
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 2: where you prepared for a lot of the racism that exists.

692
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, now, let's do a deal and we make

693
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 3: this a documentary and I can give you like ten

694
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 3: more names and we interviewed it. No bullshit, like this

695
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 3: is feeling real documentary And I'm good with that. But

696
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 3: me and you're gonna have to own it.

697
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would love to do a documentary on you.

698
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 3: We're doing it now.

699
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this is the precursor to it.

700
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, what was the question I ever got? I

701
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 3: got excited got.

702
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 2: Out when you enter the music industry because again, and

703
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 2: I don't want to make this about me, but I

704
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 2: need you to know that I was not prepared for

705
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 2: the racism that me in television had to experience, mister Knowles,

706
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 2: until I got into it, and then I saw I

707
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 2: felt all these microaggressions.

708
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 4: And what I want to talk about with you is the.

709
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: Fact that you know, listen, I want to fast forward.

710
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 4: To the highlight reel if I may.

711
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 2: Because we're going to do a documentary, so I want

712
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: to fast forward to the highlight reel if I made,

713
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:44,439
Speaker 2: mister Knowles, it bothers me that you don't get the

714
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 2: props that you deserve.

715
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 4: Like your white counterparts do.

716
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 2: It bothers me that you never grace the cover of

717
00:44:54,640 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 2: Variety magazine, the Hollywood Reporter, Rolling Stone, and no disrespect

718
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 2: to these people.

719
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 4: But we've seen Clive Davis, Scooter bron.

720
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 2: We saw Clyde Davis because obviously he had many Houston

721
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 2: and obviously amazing artists under his tutelage.

722
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 4: We saw Scooter.

723
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 2: Bron because listening he had Justin Bieber, Arianna Grande. We

724
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 2: see Chris Jenner and what she did with the Kardashians.

725
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 2: What has always bothered me is the fact that you

726
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 2: literally have done the work to create the biggest selling

727
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 2: girl group of all time, the last girl group to

728
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 2: have a number one hit on Billboard Hot one hundred

729
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 2: with the song Booty Delicious. Your daughter Beyonce was just

730
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: awarded the greatest pop star of the twenty first century.

731
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 4: With all of that success, I.

732
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: Feel like you do not get excuse me, you do

733
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 2: not get the prophet you deserve and it bothers me.

734
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you totally, and you know I

735
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 3: say this with a lot of gratitude. It's not only

736
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 3: what you just said. I mean most people don't realize.

737
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 3: If you look at Billboard, they have every decade they

738
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 3: put out a special edition. So if you look at

739
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 3: the Billboard in twenty ten for the bill artists of

740
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 3: the decade two thousand and two thousand and nine, Beyonce

741
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 3: in two thousand and nine of the decade was the

742
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,760
Speaker 3: number one female artist. See people think this successful. Beyonce

743
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 3: just happened. So I want to clear this up. Okay,

744
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 3: Beyonce was the number one artist of the decade in

745
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 3: two thousand and nine. At the same time, Destiny's Child

746
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:49,399
Speaker 3: was the number one female group of the decade. Why

747
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 3: is this important? Billboard is probably the only way that

748
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 3: you get accurate information. This ain't height, this ain't social media.

749
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 3: These are real sale those numbers. So I look at that.

750
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:11,240
Speaker 3: It's extreme credibility on that. In that same edition, Destiny

751
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 3: Shall was number eight overall, Beyonce was number seven overall,

752
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 3: and jay Z, who I didn't even know, was number

753
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 3: nine of the decade. From two thousand to two thousand

754
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 3: and nine. What people don't know is, along with the

755
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 3: help of B. T. Sunday Best, when I came up

756
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 3: with this idea of destiny shall each having their own

757
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 3: solo projects Michelle. Because of Michelle, I started music World

758
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 3: Gospel and we partner with be T. Sunday Best. Most

759
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 3: people don't know that Leandre Johnson number one artists female

760
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 3: artist Gospel. We built that little small Music World the

761
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 3: number one gospel label in the world with three with

762
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 3: Trinity F five to seven, Nita buying them, Brian Courtney Wilson.

763
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 3: I could go on and on and on, and at

764
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 3: the same time I sell Music Well to a company

765
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 3: in London, Sanctuary, and we partner to form a record label.

766
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 3: I'm the president of a whole division of seventy five employees.

767
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,280
Speaker 3: Who's on that label Earth Wind and Fire. Last album

768
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 3: with Maurice Old Jay's we did two albums, Daylight, Soul,

769
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 3: Sunshine Anderson. I could go on and on on the

770
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 3: record label side. Then I bought five young men in

771
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 3: their late twenties early thirties and made each one of

772
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 3: the millionaires. And they deserved it because they had some

773
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 3: of the top black artists in the world. We'll start

774
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 3: with Mary J. Blige about Kendu Isaac's He wasn't her

775
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 3: her husband at the time, he was her producer and manager.

776
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 3: There's a young man out in La Troy Carter and

777
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 3: his business partner. Oh gosh, his dad's top basketball player.

778
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 3: How could I think forget his day? Doctor? Oh, doctor

779
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 3: J doctor J Julius Irvins. He worked with Nelly, No,

780
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 3: you're close. They worked with Floora Tree Eve and then

781
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 3: towards the end of the career Lady Gaga.

782
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 4: Yes.

783
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 3: And I remember many hours talking to Troy as he

784
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 3: was going on his first tour and he didn't understand

785
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:52,879
Speaker 3: tour and explaining it to him.

786
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 2: Uh.

787
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 3: And then there was a young man out of Saint

788
00:49:55,840 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 3: Louis that managed Nelly and then met Guildry out of

789
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 3: Atlanta managed Mary Mary and was by GM. There was

790
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 3: a reason why Nelly and Kelly did a song together.

791
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 3: There's a reason why Lady Got Got and Beyonce did

792
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 3: Telephone together. But people don't know this. People don't know

793
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 3: how it works. People really don't know, and they shouldn't

794
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 3: because this music industry is very complex.

795
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 2: And all of that was just a strategy in terms

796
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,760
Speaker 2: of how you saw things. So the fact that people

797
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 2: don't know that, is that your way of explaining why

798
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 2: they don't give you the covers. Do you think it's

799
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:46,839
Speaker 2: because they don't know that? Or to be candid, do

800
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 2: you think because at the end of the day, you

801
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:53,800
Speaker 2: were a black man who taught himself the music industry

802
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 2: and you came into an industry, mister Knowles, and disrupted

803
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,399
Speaker 2: it in a way that you felt like, I am

804
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 2: going to do this to protect not only my legacy

805
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 2: but any artists that I have on my label.

806
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 3: I think it's more because of the disruption I did.

807
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,919
Speaker 3: I truly do, and I can't forget ever to leave

808
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 3: Solange out of that whole equation because we I managed

809
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 3: and she was on the record label. But it was

810
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 3: because of the disruption. I think in the early beginnings

811
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 3: I played that role of being behind the scenes. But

812
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 3: I think historically now people and to be clear, the

813
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,399
Speaker 3: names you just name those magazines in the industry as

814
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 3: a whole, it's disruption. And if I was you started

815
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 3: it out, if I was a white Matthew knows, everyone

816
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 3: would know that. Everyone would know that what we've accomplished

817
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:55,720
Speaker 3: and what I've accomplished in the music industry would be noted.

818
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 4: Does it bother you?

819
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 3: Yeah? It does because it's his story, not history, and

820
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 3: it's time that we don't allow his story. And it's

821
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 3: a time young people that get on social media and chatter,

822
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 3: at least get facts. Chatter after you get factual of

823
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 3: data and then whatever your perspective is, I can live

824
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 3: with that, but don't be an idiot and chatter and

825
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 3: you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

826
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 4: I agree with that.

827
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 2: I agree with that, and it's honestly the main reason

828
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 2: why I wanted to sit down with you is because

829
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 2: I need this young generation to understand that who they

830
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 2: enjoy now has a direct correlation with what you built.

831
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:51,439
Speaker 3: Because it's not microwave success. And that's what our young

832
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 3: generation has to understand. If you look at all those

833
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 3: before and after in any area just talking music, I'm

834
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 3: talking sports, I'm talking corporate. These people put in the work,

835
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 3: They put in the work, and I you know, Outliers

836
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 3: is one of my favorite books by Gladwell Brother Glackwell

837
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 3: up in Canada, brother, and he talks about and he

838
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 3: researched for years. To be great requires doing it ten

839
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:33,280
Speaker 3: thousand hours. And when you look at Serena and Michael

840
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 3: Jordan and Beyonce, a lot of other people, they put

841
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 3: in ten thousand hours, even in interviewing. That's why I'm

842
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 3: grateful to do well as a motivational public speaker because

843
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 3: I've done it ten thousand hours. That's why i can

844
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 3: sit in this interview and have fun and be comfortable

845
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 3: because I've done it ten thousand hours. I put in

846
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 3: the work, and so that's what I hope you are

847
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 3: people get out of this interview. Whatever their passion is.

848
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 3: Passion and work ethics go together. You just can't have

849
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 3: a passion. You can't have this million dollar idea, but

850
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 3: then you put in minimum wage type of work. I

851
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 3: don't go together million dollar idea, but minimum wage equivalent work.

852
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 3: You have to work, have to become great at something.

853
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 4: Do you miss it? Do you miss do you miss

854
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 4: the music industry?

855
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 3: I missed the corporate I actually missed corporate America. And

856
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 3: I've thought many many times. If I had to do

857
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 3: it again and it was done a different way, and

858
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 3: I knew that Beyonce and Solange were good, I would

859
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 3: have never got into the music industry because I was

860
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 3: earmarked and being tracked. I would have become a president

861
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 3: of a fortune five hundred company. I'm sure of that.

862
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 3: And I literally I made a lot of money in music,

863
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 3: but I would have made a lot more in corporate America.

864
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,439
Speaker 4: You think so, well, just do the math.

865
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 3: I mean, when you are at that level, you are

866
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 3: making you know, ten fifteen million a year, and then

867
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 3: when you retire, you know, it's a whole different thing. Absolutely,

868
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 3: no question.

869
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,800
Speaker 2: I'm surprised by that because and I'm gonna take on

870
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 2: surprised by it because.

871
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 4: And I do mean this, and I hope you feel

872
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 4: the sincerity.

873
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 2: If it wasn't for you, we wouldn't have Beyonce Somange

874
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 2: Destiny's child.

875
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 4: We wouldn't. That's my opinion.

876
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:53,359
Speaker 3: I do believe this.

877
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 4: I do believe this.

878
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 2: I get that there's tons of people who say Kim

879
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 2: Kardashian them the Kardashians would be nothing about Chris Jenner.

880
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 2: And I understand what that means based on this Mama

881
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 2: bear having to orchestrate people.

882
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 4: She know, I think you were the only one.

883
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 2: And I want this generation to know that, despite what

884
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 2: they may feel or whatever. And again I'm getting trouble

885
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:22,240
Speaker 2: for saying this and my apologies in the band, I

886
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 2: strongly believe we wouldn't be.

887
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 4: Enjoying the music or even knowing who they are. But

888
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 4: it wasn't for you.

889
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 2: And that's why for me, a father's sacrifice to see

890
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 2: his kids' dreams comes true should never ever be relegated

891
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 2: to just like, oh what he was just there doing

892
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 2: a father does, and I don't believe in that. I

893
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 2: look at you and Joe Jackson, in my humble opinion,

894
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 2: I think you and Joe Jackson are the most disrespected

895
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 2: black men to ever exist in the music industry. And

896
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 2: I strongly believe that because you two have to be

897
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 2: a father and a man and what that presented itself

898
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 2: to this industry, which is why I feel sad that

899
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 2: Joe Jackson's legacy in my opinion, and you don't have

900
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 2: to agree with this, obviously, you know what you want

901
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 2: to do. It hurts my soul that Joe Jackson's legacy

902
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 2: to me is the fact that people see him as, oh, well, you.

903
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 4: You whip your kids.

904
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 2: You whipped your kids, not really seeing the sacrifice this

905
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 2: black man made twenty years thirty years before your time.

906
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 2: And when I look at you and I see you

907
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 2: made the same sacrifice this and people just say, oh, whatever,

908
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 2: you know, he did this, he did that, And it's like, do.

909
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 4: You not understand what that means?

910
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 2: Do you not understand what it means to dominate an

911
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 2: industry that isn't welcoming to someone who looks like you.

912
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 2: You are tall, handsome, dark skinned black man, and you

913
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 2: came in And my favorite story is how you came

914
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 2: into the record label and you switch the lights back

915
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 2: and forth.

916
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 3: So keep the lights on, and you said, I keep

917
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 3: the light on this.

918
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, like, stop playing with me.

919
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 4: Your approach may.

920
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 2: Not have been the virgin Mary right. Your approach to

921
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 2: getting things done may not have been the most Pollyannic

922
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 2: way of doing it, but let the records show is

923
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 2: because you also weren't welcomed into their world either.

924
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 3: Well, two things come to mind. There's a part of

925
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 3: me certainly agrees with the father part. I think in

926
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 3: all respect to mister Jackson, he came with a more

927
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 3: musical background than I did, so his approach was coming

928
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 3: from a musical standpoint. They will ban that's different than

929
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 3: a group just the whole ethos of it all. I

930
00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 3: brought and go back to corporate. A lot out of

931
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 3: our success is my corporate macro approach. I'm so proud

932
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 3: of this showman. There's a number of people that I've

933
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:15,479
Speaker 3: had the opportunity to in some way mentor so. The

934
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 3: president of Sony Music Publishing of John Platt, I have

935
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 3: so much respect for this young man who used to

936
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 3: fly down from Denver and talk to me and we

937
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 3: would just talk. And I saw this young I could

938
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 3: see in some people that they are star. You're a star.

939
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 3: I just met you. You're a star. I didn't know

940
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 3: what to respect. But John just told me last week.

941
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 3: He said, I never really forget you gave me this

942
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 3: message on leadership, and you invited me to go Beyonce's

943
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 3: first performance at MTV. And you were there and you

944
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 3: were checking everything out, and they brought in the audience

945
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 3: and you got on the phone and you like talking

946
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 3: to her publicist. You were going off like, what is this?

947
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 3: This ain't no damn b e T. Why all these

948
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 3: black people in the front row. I need some damn

949
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 3: white people in the front row. This is damn Beyonce's

950
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 3: first time on MTV. What the hell is going on?

951
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 3: And he was and then he said. I looked at

952
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 3: you and I was like and then I said, okay,

953
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 3: I fixed that. We gotta go. He was like, you're

954
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 3: not gonna stay. I said, I can't build being here

955
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 3: watching all the things Beyonce are doing. I gotta go

956
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 3: make shit happen. I was never that manager that had

957
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 3: the I was on Macro, I wasn't micro. So my

958
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 3: point is my approach was corporate. My approach was I

959
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 3: knew the budget of Columbia Records marketing budget was let's

960
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 3: say a million dollars. I needed to go to Lorel

961
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 3: and get Destiny Child, Kelly's Salons, Beyonce, they all did

962
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 3: things with Laurel get their music in the commercial or

963
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 3: get them in the commercial and as well as their music,

964
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 3: Laurel has a twenty five million dollar marketing budget. So

965
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 3: why would I accept the million dollars when I could

966
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 3: go out and bring in these strategic partners who had

967
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 3: twenty five million dollar budgets. That's what's a secret sauce.

968
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 3: Along with the talent and the passion of the ladies,

969
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 3: along with having great songs, along with and I'm having

970
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 3: this next week. I'm planning right now my first masterclass

971
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 3: at Prairieview, the strategy for Destiny's Child. If you think

972
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 3: about imaging in nineteen ninety seven, it was TILC had

973
01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 3: to the bag, baggy boots, WV, same thing, escape, same thing,

974
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 3: and bam, here comes glamor and glitz by this little

975
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 3: young group. Nobody's understood bills, bills, bills say my name,

976
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 3: Booty lishes girls, girls, girls, independent woman, female empowerment. Everything

977
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 3: was about female empowerment. And that's what branding is, what

978
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 3: differentiates you and understanding brand development. That's what we did

979
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 3: at the industry. They were selling records, I was building brands.

980
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 3: Different approach.

981
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 4: No, that's empowering.

982
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 2: It's empowering because when you look at that era, it

983
01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 2: was all about that.

984
01:02:57,960 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 4: It's funniness and knows.

985
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 2: Iva was reading this article recently about the makings of

986
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 2: Independent Women and how Columba records her Part two. Then

987
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 2: they hire this production and obviously the beauty of you

988
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 2: is you understood immediately the pop publishing and what that

989
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 2: meant and really, you know, making sure that those girls

990
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 2: understood publishing and writing your own music. And one of

991
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 2: my favorite stories from LaToya Luckett is when she talked about,

992
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 2: you know, they had a day off and they were

993
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 2: teenage girls and they're playing and she told this a

994
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 2: tank and she said she was like, where's Beyonce.

995
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 4: And they're like, oh, she's Beyonce. It's in the car.

996
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 2: And she goes to the car and your daughter is

997
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 2: and she says, hot outside. She's in her car and

998
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 2: she's writing music and she sacrificed playing to write music.

999
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 2: And that, to me, I always thought about in terms

1000
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 2: of like, I just felt.

1001
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 4: Like your DNA is so much, so much into that.

1002
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 4: So my question to you is do you you feel.

1003
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 2: Like you have sacrificed your life to make other people's

1004
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 2: dreams come true?

1005
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I think a lot of us have sacrificeice of

1006
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 3: black men and women. Again, now you know my background

1007
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 3: growing up and those experiences that I had growing up,

1008
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 3: I've seen a lot of people's sacrifice. I see my parents' sacrifice.

1009
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 3: I see my daughter's sacrifice for their kids. Now, so

1010
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 3: I think as leaders, the keyword is leadership. As if

1011
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 3: you're going to be a leader, that's part of it.

1012
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 3: Part of being a leader is letting that water just

1013
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 3: fall off of you. Part of being a leader is

1014
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 3: being ethical. Leadership is a strong thing, and every team

1015
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 3: needs a coach, So I absolutely that leadership role. I

1016
01:04:58,960 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 3: accepted that.

1017
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 2: Now, what do you feel like it's the one thing

1018
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 2: that the public got it wrong about you?

1019
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 3: How much I love Jena Avery knows No, I'm serious, Like,

1020
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 3: I think the one thing people don't know is I'm

1021
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 3: a cancer survivor. And six years now I went through

1022
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 3: cancer and COVID at the same time. And actually that's

1023
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 3: when we bought this house. Actually and my you know,

1024
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 3: Jena and I are now married twelve years, so that

1025
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 3: was halfway in in the first half. It's like any

1026
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 3: new marriage. There's some ups and downs, some tough sides,

1027
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 3: but COVID and cancer our lives have been so amazing

1028
01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 3: and I'm so grateful for that. I'm so grateful that

1029
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:04,439
Speaker 3: I have this wonderful woman that encourages me and we

1030
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 3: laugh and smile and it's one hundred percent authentic, there's

1031
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 3: no bullshit. That's what most people don't know is how

1032
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 3: happy I am. That's what they don't know.

1033
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 2: And do you feel like your wife, Gina provides you

1034
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 2: with this peace and happiness that you're now able to

1035
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 2: at this time in your life. You're still working and

1036
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 2: you're still you know, motivational, speaking, and you're in London,

1037
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 2: you know, teaching, and you're doing all these things. But

1038
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 2: is it nice that you have Gina, that you get

1039
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 2: to sit back and look at this view and have

1040
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 2: someone to enjoy all this with.

1041
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 3: Absolutely. I mean it means the world to me. I

1042
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 3: would be quite lonely without it. We travel and around

1043
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 3: each other probably ninety seven percent. I think sometimes you

1044
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 3: want me to. I think she like, give me a

1045
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 3: little space. But no, I'm extremely happy today and I

1046
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 3: hope that shows because it's authentic and it's real.

1047
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 4: Yes, No, I mean, listen, it is authentic.

1048
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 2: And even you know, when you talk about your cancer diagnosis,

1049
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 2: a lot of people don't know this. You were diagnosed

1050
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 2: with breast cancer. Males male breast cancer, and I don't

1051
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 2: think people even understand that that's a real thing. Like

1052
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 2: did you know that prior to your diagnosis? I mean

1053
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 2: obviously you you sold, you know, equipment that dealt with

1054
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:36,919
Speaker 2: cancerous situations, but did you were you're aware that male

1055
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 2: breast cancer was even a thing.

1056
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 3: Well, I sold specifically mammography equipment, and so yet the

1057
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 3: answer is yes, we did training in the eighties when

1058
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:52,000
Speaker 3: we were the number one modality, we did training on

1059
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 3: male breast cancer. Twenty two thousand men a year worldwide

1060
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:00,920
Speaker 3: are diagnosed with male breast care. Answer. But the more

1061
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 3: important thing is through that experience, and I got a

1062
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 3: genetic test. There's something called BROCA too. Mutated. Half of

1063
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 3: the world, almost experts say, are mutated. That's why we

1064
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:20,600
Speaker 3: have so much disease. People are walking around with mutations

1065
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 3: with their genes from their parents and grandparents minds. Is

1066
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 3: called BROCA two and for men, that mean the higher

1067
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 3: risk for prostate cancer. My grandfather died of prostate Three

1068
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 3: of my dad's brothers died of prostate His only living brother,

1069
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:44,720
Speaker 3: ninety three, had prostate cancer. Overcame it. Breast cancer is

1070
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 3: I've done research. My grandmother on my mother's side sister

1071
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 3: died of breast cancer. My mother's only sister died of

1072
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 3: breast cancer. Two of her three daughters died of breast cancer.

1073
01:08:56,920 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 3: So I've learned about early detection for both prostate one

1074
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 3: and eight men in their lifetime will be diagnosed with

1075
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 3: prostate cancer. Let me say that again. One in eight,

1076
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 3: seventy five percent greater risks for black men. One in

1077
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 3: eight women will be diagnosed with breast cancer in their

1078
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 3: lifetime higher risks for black women. So it's important for

1079
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 3: me at this point in my life to share those things,

1080
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 3: and that gives me a lot of joy to be

1081
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:37,679
Speaker 3: on the forefront messaging how important it is for early

1082
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 3: detection as well, and that brings peace and joy to

1083
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 3: me as well. Some days I just look out the window.

1084
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 3: Some days I just look out the window. That's where

1085
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 3: my creativity comes from. It's just being still. I've lost

1086
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 3: about forty pounds over the last five or six years.

1087
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 3: I exercise walk two miles, you know, three or four

1088
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 3: times a day. I changed my diet and what I eat.

1089
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 3: All of that along with spirituality, along with friendship. My

1090
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 3: best friend is my wife, all of that becomes important.

1091
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:21,720
Speaker 2: Take care of you so I love that because we

1092
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 2: need you around, because we need you to teach the world.

1093
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:27,120
Speaker 3: I don't plan on going nowhere.

1094
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:31,840
Speaker 4: Yeah no, I got you the number.

1095
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:34,639
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make sure I get I get a picture

1096
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 2: of everything you eat.

1097
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, we got we got some things to do.

1098
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 2: So before I wrap this up, I do I do

1099
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 2: want to ask you this. When you look back on

1100
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 2: your life, mister Knowles, and everything you have created, curated,

1101
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:52,600
Speaker 2: managed to develop, I want to list some names, and

1102
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 2: I just want you to talk to the to me

1103
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 2: into the world about your proudest moments of each of

1104
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 2: the people are able to do that. When you look

1105
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 2: at your granddaughter Blue Ivy on stage and she's twelve

1106
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 2: years old and she is just doing amazing things choreography

1107
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 2: and lion king.

1108
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 4: And amazing stuff. When you look at Blue Ivy, what

1109
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:19,800
Speaker 4: do you what comes to mind?

1110
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:27,439
Speaker 3: Proudest moment. I was in London the very first time

1111
01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 3: she danced. I take that back. It was the second

1112
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 3: time she danced. I was in London and I went

1113
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:37,600
Speaker 3: backstage and I was like, I went backstage and I

1114
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:41,040
Speaker 3: was like, well, we'll Beyonce's where's Blue Ivy And she says, Oh,

1115
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 3: she's in there practicing. I was like, oh, okay, she's practicing. Yeah,

1116
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:49,559
Speaker 3: she's practicing. And I was like, she's going to dance again.

1117
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:54,200
Speaker 3: Because it was never meant to be this ongoing that

1118
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:56,760
Speaker 3: she was going to perform. It was a one off

1119
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 3: and she had a young girl friend that travel and

1120
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:05,080
Speaker 3: her parents travel and she Beyonce said, yeah, uh her

1121
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 3: friend uh talked how bad she danced last night on

1122
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:15,519
Speaker 3: social media and so she being in there practicing that

1123
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 3: was a problem moment for me that she took because

1124
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 3: in life, failure and mistakes are opportunities, opportunity to grow

1125
01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:31,800
Speaker 3: and get better. Again, it goes back to Star Search

1126
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 3: and the people that lost and the the people that won,

1127
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 3: but the ones lost got better. And then to hear

1128
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 3: Blue about Blue Ivy that someone said something negative, negative,

1129
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 3: that that wasn't good. She didn't go and go write

1130
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 3: post some negativity on social media. She went in practice.

1131
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:57,680
Speaker 3: That was a problem moment. Hopefully you all understand that

1132
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 3: she didn't go post negative stuff. She went and practiced

1133
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 3: because she needed to practice. And she understood that at

1134
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 3: a young age that if I'm gonna get better, I

1135
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:12,360
Speaker 3: have to put in the work. So that's the Blue

1136
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 3: Libby problem.

1137
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:19,639
Speaker 2: Mama, your grandson Joel's jewels, jewels, that's my boy.

1138
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 3: So gush, what would be my proud moment with jewels?

1139
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 6: Man?

1140
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:29,800
Speaker 3: I guess one time we were recently, we were in

1141
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 3: New York and we had lunch and it was a

1142
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:36,559
Speaker 3: long lunch and it was a problem Mama to hear

1143
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 3: him because of me. Papa G. He was like, Papa G,

1144
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:43,719
Speaker 3: I'm so happy I got my bank account, I got

1145
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:57,440
Speaker 3: my credit cards, I'm saving all my receipts. I was like, okay, okay.

1146
01:13:57,760 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 3: I was proud of him to see who's going into

1147
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 3: man into a businessman. So that was a problem moment

1148
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:05,160
Speaker 3: for him.

1149
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 2: Your twins, your twin grandchildren, Roomy and Sir.

1150
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 3: They're young. Yeah, so you know their proud moment has

1151
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 3: yet to come, but just to watch them grow up.

1152
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 4: Michelle Williams.

1153
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:27,839
Speaker 3: Michelle is the connector of why Destiny Charles stayed because

1154
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 3: Michelle has never been negative. Michelle has always been let's

1155
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:38,880
Speaker 3: do this. Is that what you guys want to me,

1156
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:42,679
Speaker 3: Let's do it. She has been a connector. She's never

1157
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:47,840
Speaker 3: had one negative comment or action as long as I've

1158
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 3: known her, not one. And by the way, Michelle's on

1159
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:57,559
Speaker 3: Broadway strategically, going back to when I put her on

1160
01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 3: Aida again, people don't know these aren't happenstance stuff. I

1161
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 3: mean that was each one of those ladies were ill earmarked,

1162
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 3: earmarked by me of what the future could bring. Michelle

1163
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:23,200
Speaker 3: was Gospel, She's had four number one Gospel, and it

1164
01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 3: was then Broadway with Aida, then she went on Color Purple.

1165
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:29,720
Speaker 3: These things weren't happenstances.

1166
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:36,680
Speaker 4: You have the vision, yes, because Herd. The Word is

1167
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 4: my jam.

1168
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 3: I love that song. I love the word. It's my favorite.

1169
01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 4: That's my favorite wife. I like say yes, I like

1170
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 4: she has this one call.

1171
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:49,599
Speaker 3: I love the music Calatine Minutes.

1172
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:52,640
Speaker 2: That's another that's a really good on fifteen minutes. But

1173
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:55,000
Speaker 2: heard the word does something to me.

1174
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:59,200
Speaker 3: I love that song. DeAndre did that. I got to

1175
01:15:59,240 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 3: co write g.

1176
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that was a good one.

1177
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:10,679
Speaker 3: Kelly Rowland, Kelly is so proud to see what she's

1178
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:14,920
Speaker 3: doing in TV. But Kelly still has this has this

1179
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 3: huge following. Kelly kind of then followed the plan one

1180
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 3: hundred percent because Kelly earmarked to be the it girl

1181
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 3: for international, for in Europe Australia. The good thing is

1182
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:38,559
Speaker 3: she got off script. But when it comes down to TV,

1183
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:43,479
Speaker 3: she's getting a lot of work in London in Australia. Yes,

1184
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:51,760
Speaker 3: and that's I had wanted Kelly to be pop and international,

1185
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:56,599
Speaker 3: but some people got in her ear and convinced her different.

1186
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 3: But thankfully it's working to a benefit what she built

1187
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:10,880
Speaker 3: because Kelly platinum artists repeatedly in Australia, multi platinum and

1188
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 3: the UK and other parts of Europe.

1189
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:22,400
Speaker 2: Commander is Kelly's best song to me, David Greta like.

1190
01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:27,880
Speaker 4: That whole international play you did, mister Knowles Is it

1191
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 4: will be studied. But I just want you to know.

1192
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:33,599
Speaker 3: Commander is like and David's done an exceptional job. He's

1193
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 3: he's been with her. They're great friends. Yeah, I'm very

1194
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:38,879
Speaker 3: proud of Kelly. Yeah.

1195
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:40,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1196
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:44,400
Speaker 2: We saw you recently rer night with LaToya and Tavia

1197
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 2: at the backstage at your daughter's concert. What was that

1198
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 2: moment like for you?

1199
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:53,599
Speaker 3: You guys have no clue. We had already had dinner

1200
01:17:54,080 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 3: months before the whole thing. So, Jedi mind trick, Well,

1201
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:03,680
Speaker 3: you talked well, I study you.

1202
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:07,599
Speaker 4: You talked about your your class in Texas Southern.

1203
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:10,840
Speaker 2: You taught your artist that Jedi that And it's funny

1204
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:13,280
Speaker 2: because I know this, that's your favorite word when it

1205
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 2: because of the gotcha you're like, I got y'all, y'all

1206
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:18,800
Speaker 2: have been seen this coming, okay to the Jedi mind trick.

1207
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:21,439
Speaker 2: So before that moment that we saw you already had

1208
01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 2: dinner months ago. Yeah okay, And what was all that

1209
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:24,680
Speaker 2: like for you?

1210
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:24,960
Speaker 4: Miss it?

1211
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:26,120
Speaker 3: Know, we're gonna keep that private.

1212
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 4: Okay, We'll keep that private for sure when it comes

1213
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:31,439
Speaker 4: to your daughter.

1214
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 2: Before I get to the prodest moment. I do want

1215
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:36,640
Speaker 2: to ask you this because I was an intern at

1216
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:43,680
Speaker 2: the View. This is back in two thousand and three, Crazy.

1217
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:47,799
Speaker 4: And Love just came out and your daughter was performing

1218
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 4: Crazy and Love.

1219
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 3: See if I was a white man and did all

1220
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:54,520
Speaker 3: I've done, uh huh, all the times that my publicists

1221
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:56,360
Speaker 3: was trying to get me on the View, if I

1222
01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:58,800
Speaker 3: was a white man on the View, whooping, y'all would

1223
01:18:58,800 --> 01:18:59,559
Speaker 3: have me on there.

1224
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:08,240
Speaker 2: Well, that's why we're happy you on Reality for the

1225
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:12,639
Speaker 2: King with Carlos King, because this is gonna change lives. Yeah,

1226
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:15,439
Speaker 2: all of ours included, because I needed to.

1227
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 4: I wanna tell this story. I remember you were in

1228
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 4: the green room.

1229
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:25,960
Speaker 2: And obviously your daughter's rehearsing, and I remember cause this

1230
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 2: is back in the day y'all was a CD and

1231
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 2: you had the Dangerously in Love CD, and.

1232
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 4: Obviously you heard the song many many, many many times.

1233
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 4: But it was something.

1234
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:38,719
Speaker 2: About the fact that we were playing in the green

1235
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 2: room the song Daddy, and I am not your son,

1236
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:49,839
Speaker 2: but you are the godfather of music. To me, mister Knowles,

1237
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 2: when you heard that song, I like till this day

1238
01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:57,680
Speaker 2: it it does something to me when I hear it.

1239
01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 2: The sort of adoration and l that was spoken about you.

1240
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 2: When you heard that song for the first time, What

1241
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:09,160
Speaker 2: were you surprised by it?

1242
01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:11,160
Speaker 4: Meaning, did you know she was even working on it

1243
01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:11,720
Speaker 4: writing it?

1244
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:17,040
Speaker 3: No, I did not know, and I probably made one

1245
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:21,240
Speaker 3: of the biggest mistakes her father can make. When I

1246
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 3: heard it the first time, I was in work mode,

1247
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:30,840
Speaker 3: and when I heard it, I gave feedback in work mode,

1248
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:36,360
Speaker 3: which was a huge mistake, one that I've apologized to

1249
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:42,320
Speaker 3: Beyonce for and since then. When I hear that song,

1250
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:45,679
Speaker 3: I damn near cry. But when I heard the first

1251
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 3: time it was she. I don't think it was she.

1252
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 3: She didn't play it. I'm trying to remember who played it.

1253
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 3: But I was in work mode and that was a mistake.

1254
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 3: But now when you hear you just yeah, it's it's

1255
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:07,120
Speaker 3: extremely emotional. Yeah. But I'm not gonna bullshit you, man,

1256
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:09,600
Speaker 3: I'm I'm What you see is what you get. You

1257
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:12,400
Speaker 3: ask a question, I'm gonna tell you the real about it.

1258
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:16,559
Speaker 2: What is your problem's moment when you when you look

1259
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 2: at your your daughter, Beyonce, now.

1260
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:22,559
Speaker 3: That she's just a good person. I've always said that

1261
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:27,759
Speaker 3: she's just genuinely a good person. If she never made music,

1262
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:32,920
Speaker 3: uh was any industry. She's just a person that has

1263
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:36,960
Speaker 3: so much goodness inside of her. Uh that would be

1264
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:41,640
Speaker 3: as respectful to the gardener as she would to I

1265
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:45,799
Speaker 3: don't know the king. Uh, She's just that person.

1266
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:49,760
Speaker 4: Let's talk about Solange.

1267
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I'm very proud that Godslunch just so creative,

1268
01:21:56,880 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 3: so as such an artist and am amazing songwriter. But

1269
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 3: you know, I'm proud of Solange for two things. Solange

1270
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:12,600
Speaker 3: when she was a kid used to wear like stripes

1271
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 3: pants and zig zag shirt. And I'll be like, what

1272
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:20,680
Speaker 3: the hell you got on, Solange? And she was like,

1273
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:28,320
Speaker 3: I'm doing me. Solange in junior high got the students

1274
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:33,519
Speaker 3: to do a petition to fire the teacher because she

1275
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:38,519
Speaker 3: turned in a research project that was talk about a

1276
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:43,600
Speaker 3: poet and why you like them? And the poet was

1277
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:47,439
Speaker 3: nas And the teacher said, a rapper is not a

1278
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 3: poet and Solons is not the one. I get a

1279
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:56,519
Speaker 3: phone call the principal of we have a problem with notes.

1280
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:57,439
Speaker 3: Can you get down here.

1281
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:00,439
Speaker 7: It's like seven thirty in the more God and he's

1282
01:23:00,439 --> 01:23:05,200
Speaker 7: sitting with sistant principal and the teacher like, Solana, just

1283
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:09,760
Speaker 7: have petition to get the teacher fire because she said

1284
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:14,559
Speaker 7: she did the report right, and I was like, she's

1285
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:16,519
Speaker 7: one hundred percent right.

1286
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:23,360
Speaker 3: He is a poet. See that's the lunch. And when

1287
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:27,880
Speaker 3: I hear that song Cranes in the Sky, Remember I

1288
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:31,960
Speaker 3: talked about this period of life. I was going through things.

1289
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:35,120
Speaker 3: Just those words you can't dance it away, you can't

1290
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:38,240
Speaker 3: shop it away, you can't drink it away, you can't

1291
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:43,680
Speaker 3: sex it away. That was very meaningful for me in

1292
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:48,240
Speaker 3: a period of my life. So that song has so

1293
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:49,320
Speaker 3: much meaning for me.

1294
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:55,040
Speaker 2: What would you like your legacy to be like in

1295
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 2: the history books?

1296
01:23:56,640 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 3: I say this all the time. I I don't want

1297
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:05,120
Speaker 3: to write my legacy. I want you and you to

1298
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:11,720
Speaker 3: write my legacy. In a way. I think that's when

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Speaker 3: I hear others that say this is my legacy, that's

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Speaker 3: their perspective, and I respect that. But for me, I

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Speaker 3: just think there's a degree of arrogance in I want

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Speaker 3: to write my legacy. I want others to write my

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Speaker 3: legacy and let that be about my body of work

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Speaker 3: and my impact, talk about my successes and failures. I'm

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Speaker 3: good with that because life hasn't been perfect for me,

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Speaker 3: and I've learned a lot along the way. It's you know,

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Speaker 3: I remember my first book tour and I was going

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Speaker 3: in this hotel and I had all these boxes and books,

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Speaker 3: and the billman was pushing the cart and I was like,

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Speaker 3: young man, when am I getting to my room? Because

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Speaker 3: the always was long, and then we turn and long

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Speaker 3: and I never forget. He says, Doctor knows. It's not

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Speaker 3: about the destination, It's about the journey. That's what I

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Speaker 3: want my legacy to be about. Not my destination, but

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Speaker 3: my journey.

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Speaker 2: Can I tell you what I would like it to

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Speaker 2: be from if your perspective, I think you are the

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Speaker 2: greatest music manager to ever.

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Speaker 4: Exists in the business.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for that.

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Speaker 4: And I do mean that.

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Speaker 2: I do mean that because you have talked about your successes,

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Speaker 2: but you also have mentioned your failures. And I think

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Speaker 2: it takes a great man, a great person, if you will,

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Speaker 2: to acknowledge both, because I do believe in order for

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Speaker 2: you to be great in anything that they they kind

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Speaker 2: of go hand in hand, because you oftentimes learn more

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Speaker 2: from your failures than your success.

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Speaker 4: So I would like that to be it.

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Speaker 2: And the reason why I love this interviews because you know,

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Speaker 2: I want this to go in the history books for people.

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Speaker 4: To watch, you know, in classrooms.

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Speaker 2: You know, I want your grandkids to one day look

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Speaker 2: at this and really get to know their grandfather in

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Speaker 2: a much deeper way, you know, to really just have

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Speaker 2: something tangible to look at and say like, this is

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Speaker 2: who my grandfather is or.

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Speaker 4: Your great great great grandchildren.

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Speaker 2: You know, when I look at the family crest, you know,

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Speaker 2: I will love for your picture to be as big

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Speaker 2: as that artwork over there, so that when generations of

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Speaker 2: the Knowles family, you know, come around and it's two

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Speaker 2: thousand and fifty and they look at this black man

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Speaker 2: and they say, well, who's that, Well, that's your you know,

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Speaker 2: your great great great great great grandfather, Matthew Knows spelled

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Speaker 2: with one team, okay, and he his sacrifice that he made.

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Speaker 4: Allowed all of us to spread the wealth. So I

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Speaker 4: would like that to be a legacy.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you for that gift and just a mere

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Speaker 3: fact that I could impact someone, that impact you when

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Speaker 3: you were fifteen years old. It makes it all the

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Speaker 3: trials and tribulations and hard work and gratitude. It makes

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Speaker 3: it worthwhile for me. That really touched me about you

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Speaker 3: to know that at fifteen years old. And it also

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Speaker 3: tells me when we think people aren't watching, they're watching

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Speaker 3: good or bad. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: My final question, mister Knowles, what happened to the Alicia

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Speaker 2: Keith at Beyonce music video for for What a Love Song?

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Speaker 4: Where is it? Mister Knowles?

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Speaker 3: Which video?

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Speaker 4: Mister don't tell I'm watch.

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Speaker 3: What are you talking about?

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Speaker 2: The music?

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Speaker 3: What song?

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Speaker 4: Say you love me? Said you love me?

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Speaker 2: Put it in a love song, Put it in a

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Speaker 2: love song, put it in a love song on Alicia

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Speaker 2: Keys album.

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Speaker 4: I want to say I shot in Brazil. We saw

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Speaker 4: a little like glimpse of it.

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Speaker 3: I get a phone call because I'm not a micromanager

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Speaker 3: and they're in the projects hood ghetto in real and

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Speaker 3: Sony hadn't paid the gangsters and they had to be

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Speaker 3: helicoptered out of there. A whole lot you don't know,

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Speaker 3: young man. Yeah, it's a lot that people don't know.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you.

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Speaker 4: At least listen we got the song.

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Speaker 3: I don't rather everyone to say, no, that's really what happened.

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Speaker 4: I didn't.

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Speaker 3: Well, no, that's what nobody talked about.

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Speaker 4: Matthews, ladies, and.

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Speaker 3: No, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 4: I make you brown.

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Speaker 3: You made me very very and.

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Speaker 4: I hope you know my sincerity.

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Speaker 2: I mean what I said, I I don't want this

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Speaker 2: world too. And when I say this, I'm not being

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Speaker 2: of course like dramatic. I can't have this world not

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Speaker 2: know your impact. I just I just I think. And

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Speaker 2: it took me to enter this business and to see

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Speaker 2: the roadblocks that I've had to endure.

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Speaker 4: And I was like, when people say that means because my.

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Speaker 2: Language, and I'm like, oh, I'm get it.

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Speaker 4: No, because he was like, you're not gonna play with me.

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Speaker 4: You're gonna play with me and I or mine and

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Speaker 4: I have to I have to do that and make

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Speaker 4: sure that they're protected.

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Speaker 2: But I'll be the bad guy in this situation and

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Speaker 2: they will always be seen as the angels.

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Speaker 4: But I'm gonna be that.

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Speaker 2: It took me to enter this business for me to

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Speaker 2: be like, now, I get it, I get it.

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Speaker 4: I get it because being nice don't work, no, not

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Speaker 4: at all.

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Speaker 3: And you've got to have in this business your own

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Speaker 3: creative direction. I mean, there's been many things. When Beyonce

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Speaker 3: turned in her first.

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Speaker 6: Album Crazy and Love, Baby Boy, Me Myself and I

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Speaker 6: Angelsy and Love, it was another hit on there, uh,

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Speaker 6: naughty Girl, Naughty Girl, and then that video.

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Speaker 4: Which one you said baby boy?

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Speaker 2: Already it was crazy love, baby Boy, naughty girl, me

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Speaker 2: myself and I.

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Speaker 4: Things of Love, freakom dress. But that was day. No,

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Speaker 4: it was one more that's baby, That's that's b day.

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Speaker 3: It was no one that you showed me that.

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Speaker 4: Hip hop wasn't hip hop star?

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Speaker 3: What was the one that you showed me that you

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Speaker 3: said that he was going to show me let's be there.

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Speaker 3: Well let's said those five. Yeah, Well, when you turn

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Speaker 3: those into Columbia Records, they rejected the album. We had

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Speaker 3: to have a meeting with attorneys and all kinds of stuff.

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Speaker 3: They rejected the album. They said there was not one

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Speaker 3: hit on the album. They were sort of right. It

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Speaker 3: was five.

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Speaker 4: I love it. I love it so much.

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Speaker 3: But you have to have your own direction. I mean

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Speaker 3: they didn't know these white boys, you know, and then

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Speaker 3: you have so many yes people. As you learned in

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Speaker 3: the entertainment industry. They sit in meetings and they look

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Speaker 3: to see what the lead person and they go, oh

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Speaker 3: that's great. They we don't like nobody has their own opinion,

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Speaker 3: you know. It's like, so we always had our own strategy.

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Speaker 3: I mirrored Columbia Records. That's I had the record. That's

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Speaker 3: how I came with the out of management to records

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Speaker 3: because we had every department they had we had and

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Speaker 3: we kind of shared responsibility. But anybody and everybody will

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Speaker 3: tell you at those meetings at Columbia Records, I was

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Speaker 3: at the head of the table.

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Speaker 2: Listen, you are the best in if y'all done, because

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Speaker 2: I've never had anyone guide me.

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Speaker 4: I did. I never hear a bigger journal mast.

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Speaker 2: I never had the subject tell me this is the

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Speaker 2: direction we're going.

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Speaker 3: Without without how to say it, I said, let's rewind.

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