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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 2: The War broke out over the weekend. Welcome to Play

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Speaker 2: and Buck today. No doubt you've seen and heard and

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Speaker 2: perhaps even seeing some of the horrific footage imagery of

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Speaker 2: the invasion of Israel launched by Hamas, an incursion if

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Speaker 2: you will, into a number of areas right now as

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Speaker 2: we talk to you. We're going to spend a lot

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Speaker 2: of time on this today because it's the biggest conflict

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Speaker 2: that Israel has seen of this kind in fifty years

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Speaker 2: since the Yam Kipper War. You have a number of

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Speaker 2: possibilities where this can spiral beyond where it currently where

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Speaker 2: the conflict currently is, could become a broader Mid East issue,

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Speaker 2: could become a global issue. And Klan and I are

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Speaker 2: going to make sense to degree we ken of those possibilities.

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Speaker 2: But it was tough this weekend. It was hard to

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Speaker 2: follow the news. It was one of those moments. It

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Speaker 2: was one of those days where you saw a tremendous

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Speaker 2: viciousness and inhumanity on display from this multi pronged Hamas

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Speaker 2: assault on the state of Israel. At least seven hundred

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Speaker 2: Israelis are confirmed dead right now. There've also been nine

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Speaker 2: and fifty hostages right now, and that number is likely

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Speaker 2: going to be raised throughout the course of today. Israel

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Speaker 2: was hit in twenty two different locations outside the Gaza

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Speaker 2: Strip by ground attack forces, terrorists bands of terrorists, along

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Speaker 2: with barrages of rockets being fired. Now, Israel is a

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Speaker 2: country that is known for having tremendous security, tremendous capabilities,

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Speaker 2: including a one billion dollar barrier that has seemed to

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Speaker 2: be largely impenetrable to this point. This time around, they

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Speaker 2: managed to get through the Israeli barrier. This is a

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Speaker 2: moment clay where we are. People are asking a lot

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Speaker 2: of questions. First of all, the conflict is still ongoing.

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Speaker 2: Hamas is in effectively a death struggle now, because I

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Speaker 2: think there's a recognition that the Israeli government is going

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Speaker 2: to try to destroy that entity this time. They have to.

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Speaker 2: That's been the promise from that Yahunas. We will have

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Speaker 2: some guests to join us on this as well, including

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Speaker 2: my friend David iFun who's an expert on all things Israel.

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Speaker 2: At the bottom of this hour, we know that Iranian

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Speaker 2: security officials helped plan this surprise attack from Hamas. Hamas

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Speaker 2: and Hezbollah, who work together in their efforts to destroy

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Speaker 2: the State of Israel, have Hadkes spokesman say that is

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Speaker 2: that Iranian involvement was direct and for weeks leading up

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Speaker 2: to this, What are your biggest takeaways as we see

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Speaker 2: this shocking moment in time and understand that we're just

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Speaker 2: at the beginning of this.

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Speaker 1: To me, what I keep coming back to Buck is

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Speaker 1: this is the biggest intelligence failure since nine to eleven.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand how you could have the most I

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Speaker 1: think if you ask most people listening to us right now, hey,

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Speaker 1: which intelligence agency is the most plugged in to what's

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Speaker 1: going on in their country because they're constantly trying to

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Speaker 1: be wiped off the map, it would have to be

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Speaker 1: the Masade, right that they are basically conducting constant surveillance

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Speaker 1: because legitimately the goal of these Islamic terrorist groups is

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Speaker 1: to wipe Israel off the map, and I think you

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Speaker 1: saw that in the heinous depredations that they inflicted immediately

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Speaker 1: upon this attack. For almost fifty years to the day,

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Speaker 1: since nineteen seventy three, when the last time that Israel

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Speaker 1: was under I would say this level of attacks, So one,

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Speaker 1: how did this happen? How did Massad feil? How did

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Speaker 1: m I six fail? How did the United States intelligence

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Speaker 1: forces fail? This is thousands of men and weaponry that

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Speaker 1: was mobilized, and somehow we didn't know about this at all.

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Speaker 1: We didn't have any clue that it was going to occur.

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Speaker 1: I know we're still in the middle of the response,

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Speaker 1: but immediately when I woke up on Saturday morning, Buck

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Speaker 1: they could have been caught so unaware. And I was

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Speaker 1: actually talking about my wife with it, and we were saying, well,

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Speaker 1: nine to eleven, and this is a big moment for

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Speaker 1: you because you're from New York, Buck, and this is

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Speaker 1: why you went into the intelligence services when you graduated

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Speaker 1: time directly trying to attack and respond to what was

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Speaker 1: it's nineteen terrorists. It was an audacious plot, but it

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Speaker 1: didn't necessarily have to involve thousands and thousands of people

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Speaker 1: an intelligence failure on this level, what other plans are

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Speaker 1: the Biden administration got laid on a level that is

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Speaker 1: frankly unacceptable. We just gave six billion dollars to Iran,

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Speaker 1: that went to Hamas well. Iran funds Hamas and as

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Speaker 1: you said, buck and you're open. The Wall Street Journal

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Speaker 1: said that Iran basically planned this attack. They knew they

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Speaker 1: were getting this money from the United States, and money

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Speaker 1: is fungible. So if you know you're about to get

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Speaker 1: at the end of the year, you might well decide

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Speaker 1: else because you know those funds are coming in. So

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Speaker 1: when they're trying to argue well, this was not United

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Speaker 1: States money, that wasn't any way involved. I'm sorry Iran

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Speaker 1: played US because we had last week. Secretary Blinken, I

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Speaker 1: So there are a lot of questions that need to

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Speaker 1: be answered. And I think our intelligence are US has failed.

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Speaker 1: I think the Biden administration failed, and buck we got

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Speaker 1: war the Middle East and we've got war in Europe.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how much more you can point to

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Speaker 2: In the in the immediate term, I think the biggest

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Speaker 2: single consideration that everybody is looking at other than how

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Speaker 2: this evolves this conflict. Gaza is not a very big place.

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Speaker 2: It's a very densely populated place, but it's not a

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Speaker 2: large land mask. So to have effectively a siege of Gaza,

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Speaker 2: which is when you see and you know we live

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Speaker 2: in this era now and m clay it was clearly

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Speaker 2: part of the tactics, part of the decision making here

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Speaker 2: was that this was a terrorist invasion or a terrorist incursion,

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Speaker 2: meaning they didn't just go after Israeli military sites. Hamas

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Speaker 2: specifically landed in paragliders, for example, at an area that

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Speaker 2: was a rave.

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Speaker 3: There was a major.

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Speaker 2: Party going on, and they just murdered in cold blood,

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Speaker 2: executed entirely innocent people. Here's Clarissa Ward of CNN saying

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Speaker 2: that at this one music festival site, which is near Gaza,

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Speaker 2: two hundred and sixty Israeli bodies were found.

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Speaker 3: Play nine.

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Speaker 4: What happened just off this quiet border road was a massacre.

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Speaker 4: Organizers of the Supernova music festival say that thousands of

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Speaker 4: young revelers had gathered to celebrate the end of the

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Speaker 4: bloody attack. Now, a volunteer group that handles human remains

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Speaker 4: says that at least two hundred and sixty bodies have

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Speaker 4: been found at the festival site. The government here took

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Speaker 2: Clay there were decisions that Hamas made, and this is

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Speaker 2: not surprising to anyone who knows the history of this organization.

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Speaker 2: Hamas is the entity that has pushed for suicide bombings

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Speaker 2: of pizzerias and mass murder of all kinds of civilians.

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Speaker 3: It is a terrorist organization.

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Speaker 2: There are other terrorist organizations that have also turned to

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Speaker 2: attack Israel in this whole process, most notably Hezbolah, but

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Speaker 2: there are others as well, and they're trying to create

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Speaker 2: a sense of a siege right now for the entire

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Speaker 2: Israeli state. But Clay, the decisions that were made in

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Speaker 2: this incursion, this terrorist invasion, were specifically to be as

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Speaker 2: heinous as possible to terrify people. They were executing people

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Speaker 2: They simply were doing everything in their power to create

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Speaker 2: maximum carnage, chaos and destruction. And you have to take

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Speaker 2: a moment and say, what could they possibly think would

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Speaker 2: be accomplished by this. The Israelis have military superiority. The

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Speaker 2: Israelis are now going to and absolutely righteously respond with

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Speaker 2: a fury. This comes out of hatred. I mean, this

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Speaker 2: comes out of a society that praises, elevates and even

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Speaker 2: gives money to the family of suicide bombers. Which is

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Speaker 2: true of Hamas. This comes out of, I know, a

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Speaker 2: very long standing conflict. But only one side of this

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Speaker 1: I think that's super important, and we often times get

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Speaker 1: lost in the fact that there remains evil in the world,

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Speaker 1: and this was evil depredations that were brought forth. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think another thing on this, Buck, is the timing.

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Speaker 1: that was in the works. I think this was definitely

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Speaker 1: designed to stop that from happening. I think to your point,

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Speaker 1: what Hamausin wants is war throughout the Middle East. I

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Speaker 1: a calculated decision on their part. And again I think

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Speaker 1: the US being asleep at the wheel, which unfortunately is

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Speaker 1: I said it was Blinken who said it my bad.

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Speaker 1: It was actually National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan. This is

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Speaker 3: Buck.

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Speaker 1: Listen to him on an interview say, the Middle East

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Speaker 1: region is quieter today than it has been in two decades.

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Speaker 5: What we said is we want to depressurize, de escalate,

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Speaker 5: and ultimately integrate the Middle East region. The warre in

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Speaker 5: Yemen is in it's nineteen month of truce for now.

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Speaker 5: The Iranian attacks against US forces have stopped. Our presence

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Speaker 5: in Iraq is stable. I emphasize for now, because all

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Speaker 3: So buck they set us up.

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Speaker 1: Iran was working, according to the Wall Street Journal, since August,

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Speaker 1: to help make this Hamas attack happen. They were simultaneously

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Speaker 1: negotiating a prisoner exchange with the United States and getting

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Speaker 1: six billion dollars from the Biden administration. And they made

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Speaker 1: us think all is calm, all is well, and then boom,

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Speaker 1: the biggest terror attack in fifty years in Israel, which

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Speaker 1: everybody is already calling in Israel. Their version of nine

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Speaker 1: to eleven the population of Israel is not substantial. We

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Speaker 1: don't know what the total loss of life and hostage

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Speaker 1: the death toll that occurred on nine to eleven.

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Speaker 3: In the United States, and.

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Speaker 2: The possibility of expansion of the conflict in the region

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Speaker 2: is something that is very much at the forefront right now. Specifically,

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Speaker 2: will the Israelis go after Iranians on Iranian soil? And

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Speaker 2: they've already done that to some extent in the past,

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Speaker 2: but will they accelerate that kind of a program and

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Speaker 2: try to hold the Iranians who were a part of

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Speaker 2: that's something that everyone's looking at very closely here, and

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Speaker 2: when you start to look at the possibility of dominoes

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Speaker 2: falling into a more regional Mid East war. And there's

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Speaker 2: also the realities that this is going to affect with

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Speaker 2: Joined by our friend David efoon now. He is the

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Speaker 2: of the Algaminer, which is a journalistic enterprise that focuses

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Speaker 2: on Israel and the Middle East. Dovid, thanks for being

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Speaker 6: It's a pleasure buck always to be with you. Unfortunate

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Speaker 2: First, Dovid, can you tell us how is it? I

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Speaker 6: I mean, look, there's no question that there will be

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Speaker 6: They're being taunted in the streets. The nation of Israel,

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Speaker 6: It's it's a nation that is singularly focused on supporting

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Speaker 1: So right now, thank you for coming on. Gaza is

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Speaker 6: I mean, Iran is absolutely centric to it. You know,

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Speaker 6: certainly the Israelis have the more immediate focus of security

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Speaker 6: You know. The first book that Prime Ministers that who

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Speaker 6: The first book that he wrote is called Fighting Terrorism.

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Speaker 6: It was, you know, really a blueprint that came to

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Speaker 6: the Iranians have set up many terror states. And the

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Speaker 6: So you know, Benjamin, that Neil who knows first and

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Speaker 6: sure that they have their own calculations about how and

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Speaker 2: We're speaking the David Afoon, publisher of the New York Sun.

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Speaker 2: David is it now on on Yahoo and the IDF

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Speaker 2: to not just fight back and find those who are

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Speaker 6: I mean these rarely to know that there's only one

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Speaker 6: for all. I mean, since he's really put out from Gaza,

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Speaker 6: of similar attacks. There's only one way to stop it

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Speaker 6: once and for all, and that is really to retake

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Speaker 6: become the launch pad for attacks on Israeli civilians. It's why,

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Speaker 6: even though the Biden administration and some of the international

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Speaker 6: every Israeli knows that land for peace is the most

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Speaker 6: the attacks that they've faced over the last couple of

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Speaker 6: the question is how much land, how much territories there

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Speaker 6: that Gaza can no longer become the launch pad for

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Speaker 6: Will it be at the militarized zone of a mile

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Speaker 6: be discussing those details now, but I'm sure we'll see

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Speaker 1: Is we know that Hamas will put their weaponry and

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Speaker 6: I mean, they'll certainly be working in overdrive. And what

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Speaker 6: You know what happens is you've got the Gaza Health Ministry,

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Speaker 6: certainly being able to present accurately what's taking place, to

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Speaker 6: understand the steps that the Israeli military is taking to

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Speaker 6: prevent civilian casualties in the most difficult climate, you know,

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Speaker 6: it's crucial to ensuring you know, the broadest possible international

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Speaker 6: support for an absolutely necessary operation necessary not just to

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Speaker 6: prevent further bloodshed in Israel, but also to prevent further

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Speaker 6: bloodshed in Gaza.

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Speaker 2: David, before we let you go, then, concern about this

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Speaker 2: becoming a broader fight, some of the other entities perhaps

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Speaker 2: getting more into it, like HESBLA and others in the

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Speaker 2: immediate region, but also specifically Iran getting drawn into this

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Speaker 2: more than it already is.

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Speaker 3: How do you weigh that possibility?

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's certainly always always a possibility and you know,

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Speaker 6: just to give you the scale of how the Israeli

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Speaker 6: military leadership is thinking about this, they have now drafted

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Speaker 6: at three hundred thousand reservists. That's on talking regular army

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Speaker 6: of one hundred and fifty thousand, So you know, you're

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Speaker 6: talking about a country of nine minutes to five percent

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Speaker 6: of the entire country has been mobilized. And the mobilization

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Speaker 6: like this is not just about Gaza. It's certainly with

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Speaker 6: the understanding that there could be multiple fronts that Israel

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Speaker 6: needs to be that needs to be needs to be

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Speaker 6: active on it, and to be prepared for all possibilities

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Speaker 6: and all eventualities. You know, I spoke to a young

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Speaker 6: mother in central Israel earlier today and she told me

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Speaker 6: there are no men here, you know, it's just women

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Speaker 6: and children. This is in a small town in middle Israel.

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Speaker 6: Schools are all closed indefinitely. Daycas sends that are all

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Speaker 6: closed indefinitely. This is an entire country at war, mobilized

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Speaker 6: and at war to defend its borders.

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Speaker 1: David, thank you very much for giving us this update.

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Speaker 1: We'll hope to talk to you again soon as this

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show and update. The numbers just keep getting worse now.

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Speaker 1: Over nine hundred Israelis killed in the Hamas terror attack.

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Speaker 1: As the death continues, we'll keep you updated on this

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Speaker 1: and awful news as well. A spokesperson for Hamas says

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Speaker 1: that they may begin to execute Israeli hostages live on

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Speaker 1: television soon. We don't know how many hostages they have.

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Speaker 1: Nine Americans so far have been reported dead. There are

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Speaker 1: potentially American hostages in this group as well. We know

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Speaker 1: that they have hundreds of hostages, so this is an

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Speaker 1: ongoing awful disaster. We should also mention that the White

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Speaker 1: House said the Commander in Chief Joe Biden is not

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Speaker 1: going to be making any statements that he had finished

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Speaker 1: his work day at noon Eastern right as we came

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Speaker 1: on the air, they put a so called lid, meaning

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Speaker 1: there are no further public events scheduled in Joe Biden's day.

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Speaker 1: And it is true that Barack Obama, who has over

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Speaker 1: I believe one hundred and thirty million Twitter followers has

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Speaker 1: not said one word about this terror attack. Usually he

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Speaker 1: is quick to jump into any political fray using that

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Speaker 1: Twitter account. He has been silent since the invasion began

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Speaker 1: on Saturday.

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Speaker 2: You usually from people like Obama, Biden and others on

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Speaker 2: the Democrat side, you get a call for a call

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Speaker 2: for calm, and on both sides ism, right, yes, what

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Speaker 2: they it's usually you know, what we really need is

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Speaker 2: for both sides to recognize that violence is not and

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Speaker 2: in a situation like this, Clay, I think a lot

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Speaker 2: of those top level Democrat names recognize this is not

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Speaker 2: not the moment for you know, not the moment for

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Speaker 2: both sidesism. This is not the moment to say something

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Speaker 2: along those lines. There are members of the United States Congress,

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Speaker 2: i might add, who are effectively tweeting out pro Palestinian stuff.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, even in the midst of this,

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Speaker 2: and what you're going to see now as the casualties rise,

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is what happens in these in these circumstances.

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Speaker 2: As the casualties rise in Kaza, which they're going to

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Speaker 2: because of the Israeli counterattack, You're going to see more

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Speaker 2: and more criticism from the left, from the Kamis in

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Speaker 2: this country about disproportionate use of force by Israel, war

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Speaker 2: crimes by Israel. It's the same thing, Clay, It's the

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Speaker 2: same playbook every time.

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Speaker 3: So that is going on.

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Speaker 1: I'm actually and I wonder, Buck, are you surprised by

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Speaker 1: this too? I understand RFK Junior was planning to announce

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Speaker 1: that he was going to run as an independent on

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Speaker 1: this day that I think media I broke the story

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Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, like ten days ago, that he

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Speaker 1: was going to announce on this Monday, and he did,

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Speaker 1: and will play the audio for you momentarily, nobody's paying

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Speaker 1: attention to it because all of the focus right now

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Speaker 1: is on Israel. But we want to update you, certainly

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Speaker 1: on the twenty twenty four electoral politics associated with this.

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Speaker 1: But before we do, are you surprised, Buck that he

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Speaker 1: announced today?

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Speaker 2: If I were advising him, I would have said, this

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Speaker 2: is not the day to do it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So to me, maybe there were some things in motion,

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Speaker 2: Maybe there were some mechanisms at work here that you know, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: But to me, I don't think so. Yeah, It's very

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Speaker 2: strange to me here is RFK Junior. I believe we

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Speaker 2: have a couple of different cuts from his announcement. We

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Speaker 2: want to keep you guys updated on this. He's announcing

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Speaker 2: that he's going to run as an independent. Let's play cuts.

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Speaker 2: We've been playing back to back, maybe so twenty seven

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Speaker 2: and twenty eight. This is his announcement that he just

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Speaker 2: made in the last hour or so.

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Speaker 7: We do face a decaying infrastructure and record levels of suicide, depression, addiction,

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Speaker 7: chronic disease. We do face an entrenched political career and

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Speaker 7: an inequality of wealth not seen in a century. But

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Speaker 7: the good news is that people like yourselves are finally

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Speaker 7: fed up. Something is stirring in us that says it

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Speaker 7: doesn't have to be this way. People stop me everywhere

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Speaker 7: at airports, at hotels, and malls on the street, and

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Speaker 7: they remind me that this country is ready for a

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Speaker 7: history making change. They are ready to reclaim their freedom,

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Speaker 7: their independence.

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Speaker 8: And that's why I'm here today.

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Speaker 7: I'm here to declare myself an independent candidate.

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Speaker 8: I'm done to the poor after.

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Speaker 7: The tyranny of corruption, which robs us of affordable lives,

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Speaker 7: our belief in the future, and our respect for each other.

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Speaker 7: But to do that, I must first declare my own independence,

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Speaker 7: independence from the Democratic Party and from all other political parties,

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Speaker 7: so that I can stand before you as every leader

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Speaker 7: should should stand before you, free of partisan allegiance, free

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Speaker 7: from the free from the backroom deals, a servant only

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Speaker 7: to my conscience, to my creator.

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Speaker 8: And to you.

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Speaker 2: Well, what does this mean for the election, Clay, You've

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Speaker 2: been bringing this up. We've been talking about the possibility

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Speaker 2: of a third party here and what that would do. Now,

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Speaker 2: we don't know, because there are dynamics that still have

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Speaker 2: to play out in the general election. And assuming it

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Speaker 2: is Trump Biden, which I know not everyone does, including

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Speaker 2: a lot of people listen to us right now.

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Speaker 3: Let's just be clear. It seems indicative.

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Speaker 2: It seems to me at least, the indications are that

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Speaker 2: RFK Junior would be taking more votes from Trump than

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Speaker 2: he would from Biden if the election were let's say,

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Speaker 2: held tomorrow, and R Junior has said that himself. So

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Speaker 2: while we sit here and do all this analysis and

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Speaker 2: have all these discussions about you know, Trump policies and

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Speaker 2: Biden policies and the criminal allegations and all this stuff,

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, RFK Junior could end

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Speaker 2: up being the difference maker here one way or the other.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's not just RFK Junior. We should assess

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Speaker 1: Cornell West is running. He's not going to be on

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Speaker 1: the Green Party. I don't know whether he'll be able

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Speaker 1: to get on the ballot or not. I'm not an

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Speaker 1: expert in the difficulties associated with getting on as an

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Speaker 1: independent candidate in all fifty states. I am told that

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Speaker 1: that is a very big challenge to be able to accomplish.

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Speaker 1: So just because somebody is running doesn't mean that they're

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Speaker 1: going to get on the ballot. But Cornell West is

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Speaker 1: also running. But my concern, my concern is that No Labels,

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Speaker 1: which is a well funded third party that has been

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Speaker 1: kicking around the idea of Joe manchin as then I'm

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Speaker 1: concerned that they're going to run Larry Hogan, the Republican

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Speaker 1: governor from Maryland, and that that will be a calculated

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Speaker 1: attempt to attack the ability of Donald Trump to win.

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Speaker 1: Because my concern is the same as yours, that RFK

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Speaker 1: Junior is going to steal more Trump supporters than he

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Speaker 1: is Biden supporters. In other words, that RFK Junior is

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Speaker 1: good for Biden. My concern is that Maryland former Maryland

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Speaker 1: Governor Larry Hogan would also do that that these are

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Speaker 1: people who will pull off the soft Trump support or

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Speaker 1: that's so called never Trump community, much like the Libertarians did.

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Speaker 1: But thirteen months out, Buck, I think, I mean, this

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Speaker 1: Israel story is a perfect example.

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Speaker 3: We thought you and I did.

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Speaker 1: We would come in on Monday and our lead story

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Speaker 1: would be probably the decision of who the Speaker of

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Speaker 1: the House is going to be. Nobody cares all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden about who the Speaker of the House is

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Speaker 1: going to be. And secondarily that our lead story would

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Speaker 1: be RFK Junior. And then Saturday, early morning in the

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Speaker 1: United States, we have the slaughter of tons of innocence.

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Speaker 1: They're now saying, Buck, over nine hundred dead, two hundred

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Speaker 1: and sixty bodies found at a freaking music festival where

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Speaker 1: they were slaughtered by barbarian terrorists.

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Speaker 3: And that's the story, right.

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Speaker 1: So as we sit here thirteen months out, and by

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Speaker 1: the way, even as we get closer in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: as you well know, up until March, everybody thought that

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Speaker 1: the story that COVID was not even going to be

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Speaker 1: emerging as that primary story. So what happens between now

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Speaker 1: and then is so crazy. It's hard to even forecast

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Speaker 1: because there are so many unknowns.

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Speaker 2: That's what I've been saying for a while. Man, a

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Speaker 2: lot can change. And this is why when we say

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Speaker 2: you know that there's indicators that Trump is likely to

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Speaker 2: be the Republican nominee, we don't know it hasn't happened yet,

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Speaker 2: because a lot of things can still happen. You're starting

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Speaker 2: to see people be concerned about what oil prices are

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Speaker 2: going to do. Yeah, for some kind of a mid

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Speaker 2: East oil shock. Well, guess what, given the very high

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Speaker 2: debt levels that people have, household debt, mortgages, all the

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Speaker 2: stuff that's going on right now, high interest rates, high

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Speaker 2: cost of living, people unable to afford things, putting more

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Speaker 2: and more on credit cards, you get an oil shock.

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Speaker 2: You throw that into the mix as well, and guess

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Speaker 2: what you could have the beginning of a recession. And

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Speaker 2: what does that do to the political landscape, Not just

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Speaker 2: for the Republican primary, but I'm sorry, the general election,

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Speaker 2: both of them, but for down ballot races as well.

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Speaker 2: So it's a long race, friends, right, Clay, That's the

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Speaker 2: bottom line. It is a long race, no doubt, And in.

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Speaker 1: The short term, trying to analyze all of this is crazy,

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Speaker 1: because Buck, here's the one thing I would say, I

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Speaker 8: I got it.

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Speaker 1: Look, I didn't even tell you this. I got a

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Speaker 1: He just went to the emergency room. He's it looks

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Speaker 1: out how that's gonna be. As everybody out there knows,

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Speaker 1: health conditions when you are in your upper seventies can

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Speaker 1: come out of nowhere. He suddenly got ill and my

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Speaker 1: had a fever. He had all sorts of things that

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Speaker 1: suddenly emerged. Again, when you're seventy five or seventy nine

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Speaker 1: And I mean, it's just I feel bad for our

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Speaker 1: country in many ways that there are so many things

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Speaker 1: And I feel like much of the news that we're

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Speaker 1: back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We are joined

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Speaker 1: now in studio by Senator Ran Paul. He's got a

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Speaker 1: great book that is out tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: I believe that's right.

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Speaker 1: And we will talk about that book at the bottom

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Speaker 1: of this hour. But Senator, you just came through some

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Speaker 1: of the chaos going on in New York City. It's

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Speaker 1: Columbus Day. There's a lot of different parades. But we

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Speaker 1: were just talking. There's also a rally going on right

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Speaker 1: now that is pro Palaine celebrating the terror attack that

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Speaker 1: happened on Saturday, and that continues to be going on

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Speaker 1: in Israel right now. What were your thoughts Senator, when

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Speaker 1: you saw this news come out Saturday, how do you

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Speaker 1: think the Biden administration has responded so far? How would

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Speaker 1: you assess what you have been able to glean so

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Speaker 1: far from this?

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Speaker 8: You know, it's kind of hard to imagine anybody who

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Speaker 8: thinks that their political views are furthered by killing innocent

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Speaker 8: women and children seeing those images over there, it loses

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Speaker 8: any possible sympathy anybody could have for these people. And

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Speaker 8: there are other complicated issues, but when you see young

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Speaker 8: women who've been murdered and raped, and now people have

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Speaker 8: been kidnapped, kids that have been taken two hundred and

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Speaker 8: sixty kids, My kids have all gone to these music

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Speaker 8: festivals over in the US. I can't imagine if somebody

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Speaker 8: going through with automatic weapons killing everybody there, innocent, unarmed people.

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Speaker 8: And really it's just to me, it's despicable and evidence

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Speaker 8: of just you know, cowardness. You know, I mean, this

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Speaker 8: isn't going into war and fighting for some cause you

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Speaker 8: believe in what kind of despicable person kills women and

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Speaker 8: children and unarmed people. I mean, no sympathy at all

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Speaker 8: from me, And I just don't see how anybody will

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Speaker 8: give them any sympathy.

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Speaker 2: Senator Paul, to what degree do you think the US

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Speaker 2: may have a role at to play in helping our

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Speaker 2: ally Israel in dealing with Hamas? He's asking I don't

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Speaker 2: think the audio has turned up for Senator right now,

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Speaker 2: but he asked you, what sort of role do you

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Speaker 2: think the United States should have going forward in terms

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Speaker 2: of dealing with Hamas? From your perspective, Well, you know,

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Speaker 2: we've had a long standing role with Israel goes back,

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Speaker 2: you know, thirty fifty years or more, and I think

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Speaker 2: that continues.

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Speaker 8: And I think when people start looking for things in

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Speaker 8: the midst of a crisis is like, what we're we

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Speaker 8: gonna do? What are we gonna do? Well, we've already

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Speaker 8: done lots for decades, and so I would venture to

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Speaker 8: say that Israel's probably one of the most well stocked

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Speaker 8: munitions country in the world. I think they're adequately prepared

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Speaker 8: for this. But I don't think it's sort of like, oh,

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Speaker 8: let's give them twenty billion dollars or something, Let's give

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Speaker 8: them fifty billion dollars, because really it's about being smart

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Speaker 8: about it. And in the end, they're already comparing this

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Speaker 8: to nine to eleven, we were the best equipped military

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Speaker 8: the strongest soldier's strongest army in the world. We got

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Speaker 8: attacked on nine to eleven, and so it's going to

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Speaker 8: be figuring out the vulnerability of what happened. People are

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Speaker 8: already talking about where's the failure of intelligence? And I

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Speaker 8: know we share a lot of intelligence with Israelis all

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Speaker 8: of those things of cooperation. I'm for. I just kind

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Speaker 8: of hate it as much as I have nothing but

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Speaker 8: the utmost sympathy of everybody says, what are we gonna do?

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Speaker 8: What are we gonna do? What can we give them?

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Speaker 8: Because we've bankrupted our damn country, given it to everybody

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Speaker 8: on the planet. And it's not that I don't have sympathy.

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Speaker 8: I do, and I want to help and I want

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Speaker 8: to be helpful, but I hope it's not just sort

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Speaker 8: of let's open the spickets and just, you know, drain

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Speaker 8: the coffers.

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Speaker 1: When you see that we since nine to eleven, twenty

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Speaker 1: two years ago, some odd have had the failure that

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Speaker 1: we did you just mentioned it, doesn't it just stagger

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Speaker 1: you that over a thousand terrorists could enter into Israel

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Speaker 1: and rain wholly held down upon so many israel people,

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Speaker 1: and that none of us saw this coming.

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Speaker 8: You know, I guess the opposite surprises me. You know,

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Speaker 8: we have two big oceans, and we do have people

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Speaker 8: within us that might infiltrate and cause a problem. They're

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Speaker 8: right next to like a million people. I don't know people.

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Speaker 8: I mean people live in Gaza, but a lot of

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Speaker 8: people live in Gaza on the strip. They're right next

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Speaker 8: to them all the time. They're right next to the

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Speaker 8: West Bank all the time. They're right next to eight

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Speaker 8: other countries that have been at various times at war

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Speaker 8: with So it actually, to me is more surprising how

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Speaker 8: good a job they do most of the time. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: and that this is tragic and it's unusual. But it's

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Speaker 8: like they live, and they will tell you this when

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Speaker 8: world every day of their lives.

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Speaker 1: Center Paul will be back with you to talk about

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Speaker 2: welcome back in. We're joined by Senator Rand Paul. He's

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Speaker 2: in studio with play in New York City. I want

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Speaker 2: to talk to you about his book Deception, the Great

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Speaker 2: COVID cover up, a topic that Clay and I are

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Speaker 2: still very interested in are not giving up as a

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Speaker 2: subject matter that I know a lot of Democrats, a

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Speaker 2: talk to us first and foremost. Senator Paul about I mean,

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Speaker 2: I know you get into this in the book, but

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Speaker 2: of function research.

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Speaker 8: You know, at first I sort of took the word

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Speaker 8: of Fuci and others who said it came from animals.

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Speaker 8: I knew that the first STARS virus had come from animals.

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Speaker 8: They tested animals, civets, and they found animodies and the

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Speaker 8: handlers and they had antibodies. It all sort of fit

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Speaker 8: together like a puzzle. But then this time they tested

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Speaker 8: eighty thousand animals from both the market and across China.

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Speaker 8: No animal had COVID, so they couldn't find an animal.

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Speaker 8: They couldn't find humans that it had. It. Typically, if

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Speaker 8: it's coming from animals, it has to try multiple times

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Speaker 8: because it's adapted for animals not for humans, so that

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Speaker 8: it tries to infect a human. It infects buck Sexton,

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Speaker 8: but it's not very cont and it just dies in

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Speaker 8: your body and it doesn't affect another person has to

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Speaker 8: do this over and over until it gets lucky enough

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Speaker 8: to mutate to be infectious in humans, not just in

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Speaker 8: the animals. We didn't find any of that with the

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Speaker 8: first one. We did find that it was very sluggish.

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Speaker 8: With COVID, we found that it hit humans and boom

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Speaker 8: boom boom and infected everybody like that. And there was

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Speaker 8: a doctor from MIT who wrote a book called Viral,

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Speaker 8: Alena Chan, and in it she says that basically the

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Speaker 8: virus looks like it was pre adapted, preadapted in a

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Speaker 8: laboratory to become infectious. It didn't have to do the

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Speaker 8: normal evolution in humans. It was already set to infect

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Speaker 8: humans when it got to us.

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Speaker 1: We're talking to Senator Ram Pauli's here in studio in

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Speaker 1: New York. The book is Deception, the Great COVID Cover Up.

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Speaker 1: I got an early copy of this book and I

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Speaker 1: just dove in, and so I'm encouraging all of you

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Speaker 1: out there to go read this book. There were many

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Speaker 1: things that I because it was such a chaotic time,

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Speaker 1: there were many things that I had forgotten about the

870
00:50:56,200 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: March twenty twenty universe. For instance, that you we got

871
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: COVID super early that everybody tried to blame you. You

872
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 1: then started working in a local hospital to help COVID

873
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 1: patients because you knew of the impact of natural immunity

874
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 1: and there were so few people who'd already had it.

875
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: Your wife went to the mail and she got a

876
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: letter that was addressed to your house that you were

877
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: concerned was anthrax because it had a powder in it.

878
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 1: I forgot about all that, and that everybody decided they

879
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: wanted to mock you, including Stephen Colbert. I read through

880
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: so much of this and I just thought to myself,

881
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: I can't even remember all of this happening. I just

882
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: hit you with a lot of details. But take us

883
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: back to March of twenty twenty. Some of the crazy

884
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: things that happened to you and your family, including your

885
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: son's coming back I believe from Duke and staying in

886
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: the house one of their foreign exchange a kid I

887
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: think was from China couldn't get back home.

888
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 3: I mean, this was all chaotic and crazy.

889
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 8: So it's amazing that Twitter will take you down if

890
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,959
Speaker 8: you say that masks don't work, or the vaccine isn't

891
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 8: necessarily for kids, or if COVID came from Lafe. Twitter,

892
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 8: Facebook will take you down. But if someone on Twitter

893
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 8: says that they wish the guy who broke six of

894
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 8: my ribs from attacking me from behind, punctured my lung,

895
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 8: caused me to have part of my lung removed, that

896
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 8: isn't that sound like it's inciting virus. Twitter didn't take

897
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 8: any of that down. Then Steven Colbert thought it was funny.

898
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 8: And so what we got was a letter in the mail. Kelly,

899
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 8: I was in Washington. She gets a letter in the

900
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 8: mail and has a picture of me with a broken

901
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 8: neck and says, this is what needs to happen to

902
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,439
Speaker 8: you next. But then it's full of she thought felt

903
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 8: like sand.

904
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 1: Or power and your wife is in here right now.

905
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: I mean she just goes to the mailbox, and that

906
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:36,399
Speaker 1: is what That's the level of anger and the two

907
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: parted nature that you were dealing with.

908
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 8: Yeah, most of Hollywood just thinks it's hilarious. They still

909
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 8: think it's hilarious. They say, we wish his neighbor would

910
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 8: come and finish the job. I was attacked from behind,

911
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 8: broke six ribs, lungs filling up with fluid, had to

912
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 8: have part of my lung taken out. I was sick.

913
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 8: I was calling my blood for a year and a half.

914
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,919
Speaker 8: I was sick for a long time, racked with pain,

915
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 8: and they just think it's hilarious. Then what do they

916
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 8: do the right They accuse us of somehow being insensitive Trump,

917
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 8: of being insensitive TRUMP supporters, and it's like, well, you know,

918
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 8: I almost died from an injury and they think it's hilarious.

919
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 8: And Stephen Colbert actually had some second rate musician on there,

920
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 8: both of them just guffing about how hilarious it is

921
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 8: that I was attacked and that somebody should come back

922
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 8: and finish the job. So no, I mean between that

923
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 8: and them accusing me of you know, swimming in the

924
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 8: gym pool and trying to kill all these old senators

925
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 8: and everything, and it's like, you know, I came back

926
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 8: and I said, the right thing to do is I

927
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 8: can help people. Even as a physician. It's gonna be

928
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 8: hard for me to make the decisions because I don't

929
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 8: work in the hospital, but I said, I'm willing to

930
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 8: do what the nurses do and the orderlies do. If

931
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 8: you have to rotate somebody. Many of the people on

932
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 8: the ventilator they found did better none of them did great,

933
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 8: but they did better if you rotated them onto their

934
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 8: stomach into their back. But if it's a big old

935
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 8: guy in there and he's on the ventilator with a

936
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,879
Speaker 8: tube in estrachia, takes like six people to do it.

937
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 8: I figure, you know what, if I can go in

938
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 8: the room, it's one less person and I've already had it.

939
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 8: I already have immunity. And not one person blinked and

940
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 8: I at the hospital, not one of them said, oh

941
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 8: my goodness, you don't have immunity. Of course this was

942
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 8: before the vaccine too, but nobody blinked to I. Everybody

943
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 8: assumed I had immunity. Util I got back to Washington

944
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 8: and I had all these snot nosed, twenty year old

945
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 8: reporters with four masks and goggle and all this stuff.

946
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 8: They're not at risk for the disease. Look at the statistics, people,

947
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 8: you're not at risk. But I had them saying, you

948
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 8: don't know, you don't know you have immunity. I so well,

949
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 8: you don't know. I don't have immunity. It's like, what

950
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 8: science courses did you take? What background do you have

951
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 8: in science? And this is what we were riddled with. Was,

952
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 8: you know, young liberal reporters with not an ounce of

953
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:37,879
Speaker 8: scientific sense telling us that they knew what was right

954
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 8: for us, and by golly, we better listen to them

955
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:40,760
Speaker 8: or they'll put us in jail.

956
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 2: Speaking of the Senator Ran Paul, he is the author

957
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,439
Speaker 2: of a new book, Deception, the Great COVID cover Up.

958
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 2: Accountability for this, Senator Paul, the closest thing that I

959
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 2: think we've gotten into accountability for all this is the

960
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 2: number of times where you were able to grill Fauci.

961
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 3: And he was, you know, sending a Paul.

962
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 2: This is not personal, it's not about you and me,

963
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 2: and you know I represent science. That was about the

964
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 2: extent of the accountability that we've seen so far. Do

965
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 2: you think that there's a way we can get further

966
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 2: than that? It's not so much about oh, we need

967
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 2: to punish people or lock people up or something, but

968
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 2: can we at least get it on the record. I mean,

969
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 2: even as of earlier this year. I remember I went

970
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 2: to a hospital down here for routine you know, blood

971
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 2: work in Miami, and they made me mask up.

972
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 8: Yeah. Most people think that when you're trying to prove

973
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,959
Speaker 8: a cover up, that the other side will just deny, deny, deny.

974
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 8: I'm However, in this case, I think more thoroughly than

975
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 8: I've ever seen the debunking or the proof of the conspiracy,

976
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 8: the proof of the cover up, or in the actual

977
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 8: words of those who are covering up. It's all been

978
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,919
Speaker 8: gotten through federal court order, through Freedom of Information Act.

979
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,479
Speaker 8: We now have Fauci. You saw him in committee, yelling

980
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 8: and screaming at me. I have never fund gain of

981
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 8: function research. I have unequivocally never funded gain of function

982
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 8: research in China. We now have an email that he

983
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 8: summarizes on February first of twenty twenty where he says,

984
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 8: we're suspicious because the virus looks like it's been manipulated.

985
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 8: But we're also doubly suspicious because we know they do

986
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 8: gain of function research there. He doesn't say we fund it,

987
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 8: but we know he funds it because we found the

988
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 8: paper trail. So they funded this. It was dangerous. But

989
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 8: then what we reveal in the book is it's worse

990
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 8: than that. Not only did they know it, there was

991
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 8: a committee set up to study the safety of these viruses.

992
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,800
Speaker 8: He purposely went around the committee, and he actually admitted

993
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 8: this in the testimony. When I cross examined him, he said, Oh,

994
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 8: all of my experts, dozens of them up and down,

995
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 8: have looked at this and said there's no gain of function. Well,

996
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 8: if that's true, where's the conversation? Who recorded these conversations,

997
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,879
Speaker 8: these deliberations and that should have been the deliberations before

998
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 8: the committee, but he didn't. He did an end run

999
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 8: around the Safety Committee. And if we ever find the documents,

1000
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 8: which I'm sure there's hiding that has him signing off on,

1001
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 8: they don't need any kind of scrutiny. It's not gain

1002
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 8: of function, then we have him dead to rights, probably

1003
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 8: making the worst scientific judgment, the worst medical decision maybe

1004
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 8: in modern history.

1005
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 3: How far do you think this goes Fauci?

1006
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: I think if you look at the evidence lied to

1007
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: you under oath, I mean I think there's perjury there.

1008
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: Do you think this was a Fauci originated lie but

1009
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: based on his feeling like he was culpable given American

1010
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: taxpayer dollars to Wuhan and all of those things. Or

1011
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: do you think this goes above doctor Fauci as you're

1012
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: now seeing reports about his relationship with the CIA, potentially,

1013
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: where does this all go?

1014
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 3: In your mind?

1015
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 8: I always thought Fauci was the top of the food

1016
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 8: chain and it wasn't anybody above him. But I'm starting

1017
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 8: to have a little bit of doubt that there is

1018
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 8: someone else, or more than one other person. The reason

1019
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 8: is when you read the slack email, the summary of

1020
00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 8: the February first, twenty twenty conversation, He's summer is that

1021
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 8: in his words, and at that point he doesn't have

1022
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 8: any bias against the lab leak, and he doesn't seem

1023
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 8: to have any bias that they're not doing a gaining function.

1024
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 8: He's not in cover up mode yet. But somehow between

1025
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 8: February first and February second or third, something happens. So

1026
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 8: I'm trying to get his log for his visits to

1027
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 8: the CIA. I want to know if he met with

1028
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 8: anybody on February second or third, also won his phone calls,

1029
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 8: because if he went to the CIA, I want to

1030
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 8: know who it is at the CIA that's telling him

1031
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 8: hold on here. We don't want the truth. It's more

1032
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 8: important that we have good relations with China. We have

1033
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 8: a lot of money going back and forth. A lot

1034
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 8: of people are getting rich in this stuff. We need

1035
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 8: to make sure that happens and it's not the truth

1036
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 8: we care about. It's good relations with China that we

1037
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 8: care about. We do know that Inspector generals had looked

1038
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 8: at the analyst in the CIA and they came to

1039
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 8: the conclusion that they were suppressing any evidence that this

1040
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 8: came from the lab because they felt it was consistent

1041
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 8: with things Trump was saying. They hatred for Trump was

1042
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 8: such that they had to mark down the analysis because

1043
00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 8: it looked like it might support his feelings or or

1044
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 8: utterances saying that this was a Chinese virus.

1045
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 2: Senator r and Paul, everybody go get a copy of

1046
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 2: his book, which is just out now, Deception the Great

1047
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 2: COVID cover Up and Senator Paul great to hang out with. Well,

1048
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 2: Clay got to hang out with you, I got to

1049
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 2: talk to you. But thank you for coming on the

1050
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 2: show and missus Paul regards to you as well.

1051
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 8: Thanks guys, thanks for having me.

1052
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: I encourage you too, Buck. This book is really fantastic.

1053
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 1: Go check it out. Make sure that you get a

1054
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: copy because it's important to get the truth out there.

1055
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: And we're basically as well as I know, you and

1056
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 1: Senator Paul writing the first draft of history in many

1057
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: ways for what will be covered for decades and probably

1058
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: hundreds of years into the future, how we responded here

1059
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: So here.

1060
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 2: Paul probably doesn't even know that. I say sometimes I

1061
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 2: think he'd be a great president. So it's true.

1062
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 3: There you go.

1063
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 8: Well, you know, if I can get just about fifty

1064
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 8: million more of you, I'd be right there.

1065
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 3: There we go.

1066
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 1: By the way, it would have been a lot better

1067
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: to have you helping to lead some of this response

1068
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 1: on COVID based on all this scre we had than

1069
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: the vast majority of the people who ended up there.

1070
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that. Look, do you have a

1071
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: large stockpile of those videotapes stored away somewhere? What about

1072
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 1: old family photo albums? Wear and tear of time slowly

1073
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: degrading that old media. Soon, those precious memories will fade away.

1074
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 1: You can do something about it, though. You can get

1075
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: the help of Legacy Box. This is a company in

1076
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: my home state of Tennessee, down in my mom's hometown

1077
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 1: of Chattanooga. When it comes to print photos you developed

1078
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: decades ago, did you know those things fade? They certainly do.

1079
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 1: You can get them digitized for eight cents of picture.

1080
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 1: I'll do the math for you that means if you

1081
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: have a couple of thousand pictures out there that you

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